| Jane_ux | hi every1 | 11:05 |
|---|---|---|
| Jane_ux | How can I lockdown the position of the icons in the desktop? | 11:05 |
| Jane_ux | I am using gnome | 11:06 |
| oblenob | I am using KDE | 11:07 |
| Jane_ux | yep | 11:07 |
| Jane_ux | i know in kde is possible | 11:07 |
| Jane_ux | but in gnome??? | 11:07 |
| oblenob | KDE is awsome | 11:07 |
| oblenob | I never used gnome | 11:07 |
| ogra | i dont think thats possible with nautilus ... but you can tell nautilus to not manage the desktop and install something like idesk | 11:07 |
| oblenob | cause KDE is too awsome to switch to gonome | 11:08 |
| oblenob | of-course | 11:08 |
| oblenob | I have never udes linux | 11:08 |
| oblenob | only KUBUNTU! | 11:08 |
| * ogra wonders what that was now :) | 11:08 | |
| Jane_ux | any usefull idea pls??? | 11:09 |
| ogra | did you see the line i posted ? | 11:09 |
| Jane_ux | yep | 11:10 |
| Jane_ux | so how can i tell nautilus not to manage the desktop? | 11:10 |
| ogra | install gconf-editor, go to apps/nautilus and look for a key like "show_desktop" (not sure about the right name) | 11:10 |
| ogra | uncheck that | 11:10 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 11:11 |
| ogra | then install idesk (there are some howtos out on the ubuntu wiki how to set it up properly (do a fulltext search for "idesk" on the wiki)) | 11:11 |
| ogra | and make sure it gets started in your gnome session | 11:11 |
| ogra | it will replace the nautilus desktop with a fixed raster of icons you can put on it | 11:12 |
| Jane_ux | ok i ll try that | 11:12 |
| Jane_ux | thanks very much ogra | 11:12 |
| Jane_ux | ok, 1st problem | 11:15 |
| Jane_ux | I am using sabayon too | 11:15 |
| Jane_ux | if i set the nautilus to dont show_desktop | 11:15 |
| Jane_ux | i guess sabayon will av problems | 11:16 |
| Jane_ux | ??!! | 11:16 |
| ogra | no, i dont think so | 11:16 |
| ogra | sabayon just makes a profile out of the gconf keys you set | 11:16 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 11:16 |
| Jane_ux | the gconf-editor keys are mandatories??? | 11:17 |
| Jane_ux | or i must change it for every user?? | 11:17 |
| Jane_ux | or i must executed it as sudo? | 11:17 |
| ogra | well, if you run gconf-editor through sudo, set a key, right click on it, you have points like "set as default" and "make mandatory" ... set both of these and it will work systemwide | 11:18 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 11:18 |
| Jane_ux | just to be sure, idesk allows to lock the icons position?? | 11:20 |
| ogra | it has a fixed table | 11:21 |
| ogra | like a raster on your desktop ... you can put icons into that raster ad they are not movable by the user | 11:21 |
| Jane_ux | ok, i ll try it | 11:21 |
| Jane_ux | i let u know how is it going | 11:21 |
| Jane_ux | thanks very much | 11:22 |
| ogra | :) | 11:22 |
| Jane_ux | iam reading idesk wiki | 11:24 |
| Jane_ux | the thing is i want to make a public pc, like a kiosk | 11:24 |
| Jane_ux | do u know if is there any application to do it | 11:25 |
| Jane_ux | it is better to use kdm?? | 11:25 |
| Jane_ux | kde? | 11:25 |
| ogra | well, i have not much experience with KDE so i might be the wrong person to ask :) | 11:27 |
| Jane_ux | in gnome im locking down everything manually, using sabayon, pessulus... | 11:27 |
| Jane_ux | do you know any other application to manage the kiosk in gnome | 11:27 |
| ogra | well, that wont be muc different with KDE, you wil have to use kiosktool like sabayon and do the lockdown there i think | 11:27 |
| ogra | do you run that setup through ltsp ? | 11:28 |
| Jane_ux | yep | 11:28 |
| Jane_ux | i hope it ll work fine | 11:29 |
| ogra | there is a doc in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/workstation (not really ubuntu (debian added that) but i can tell you the differences) tha describes how to change the thin client image to have a local desktop running with autologin | 11:30 |
| ogra | its similar to what we do in ubuntu with the --kiosk switch to ltsp-build-client, but adds a ful desktop instead of runing firefox locally | 11:31 |
| ogra | (whic is what our kiosk plugin does) | 11:31 |
| Jane_ux | ok, really usefull, i ll have a look :) | 11:32 |
| ogra | you will still have to do the lockdown manually though but only have to care for that one image | 11:32 |
| ogra | and you need slightly more beefy clients since they run a ful desktop | 11:33 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 11:33 |
| ogra | (stndard ltsp ony runs X and dm the ltsp display manager) | 11:33 |
| Jane_ux | but i ll try first to make the client run everything remotely | 11:33 |
| ogra | *ldm | 11:33 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 11:34 |
| Jane_ux | do u think | 11:34 |
| Jane_ux | if i configure first the host computer with all the set up and lock donw things | 11:34 |
| Jane_ux | and then i create the ltsp image, the clients will av the same configuration as the host | 11:34 |
| Jane_ux | or i av to lock down everything again in the clients image?? | 11:35 |
| ogra | if you do this workstation thing from the doc above you wil have to do it again in the image | 11:35 |
| ogra | if you use ltsp the standard way the changes you make to the server desktop will just apply | 11:36 |
| Jane_ux | ouuug | 11:36 |
| Jane_ux | ahhh nice to read d second line :) | 11:36 |
| ogra | :) | 11:37 |
| Jane_ux | i ll use d ltsp way | 11:37 |
| Jane_ux | thanks again | 11:37 |
| Jane_ux | anyway | 11:37 |
| Jane_ux | where are you from?? | 11:37 |
| ogra | germany | 11:37 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 11:37 |
| Jane_ux | im spanish but i live in uk, london | 11:38 |
| ogra | ah, nice | 11:38 |
| Jane_ux | ok, i am with d idesk thing now | 11:38 |
| Jane_ux | do u work for ubuntu?? | 11:39 |
| ogra | yep | 11:39 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 11:40 |
| Jane_ux | and r u here every day?? | 11:40 |
| ogra | yep ... usually | 11:40 |
| Jane_ux | nice :) | 11:41 |
| Jane_ux | its nice to know that here some1 can answer ur questions | 11:41 |
| Jane_ux | usefully | 11:41 |
| Jane_ux | :) | 11:41 |
| ogra | well, i'm not alone there are 25 other people apart from us two here ... most/many of the cn help even if i'm not around ;) | 11:42 |
| Jane_ux | kooool | 11:42 |
| ogra | but i'm probably the best resource though ... | 11:42 |
| Jane_ux | lol :) | 11:43 |
| ogra | <-- creator/maintainer of edubuntu ... and coder of the most parts of ltsp5 | 11:43 |
| Jane_ux | ok in september my company will need an edubuntu/ltsp consultant | 11:43 |
| Jane_ux | i ll recomend u.. :) | 11:43 |
| Jane_ux | would u be interested?? | 11:44 |
| ogra | heh, i sadly have a ton of other duties, but canonical offers services, i bet we can do something about that :) | 11:44 |
| Jane_ux | :) u busy boy | 11:44 |
| ogra | hehe :) | 11:44 |
| Jane_ux | anyway, we keep in touch | 11:44 |
| Jane_ux | and any quest i av, i ll contact u straigth away | 11:45 |
| Jane_ux | so b ready... lol | 11:45 |
| ogra | we're currently working with intel to get an edubuntu image going on their classmate PC, that eats most of my time | 11:45 |
| Jane_ux | ok so u prefer big companies, i see | 11:46 |
| Jane_ux | :) | 11:46 |
| Jane_ux | anyway, nice to see that big companies as intel are working deeply with open source | 11:46 |
| ogra | nah, i'm just a minion of the canonical management :) i do what they tell me :) | 11:46 |
| Jane_ux | :) | 11:46 |
| Jane_ux | are you allways ogra?? | 11:47 |
| Jane_ux | or are there more ogra??? | 11:47 |
| * ogra looks in the mirror ... | 11:47 | |
| Jane_ux | .. | 11:48 |
| ogra | looks like it changed slightly the last 38 years .. but most of the time i feel like ogra, yes :) | 11:48 |
| Jane_ux | :) | 11:48 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 11:48 |
| Jane_ux | so we keep in touch | 11:48 |
| ogra | ... and sometimes it feels like there are more ... :) | 11:48 |
| ogra | sure :) | 11:48 |
| Jane_ux | anyway I am working for a tiny spanish company | 11:49 |
| Jane_ux | we implement client server arquitectures, and recently statr workin with ltsp | 11:49 |
| Jane_ux | nice to see there is good support | 11:49 |
| ogra | cool | 11:49 |
| Jane_ux | ok come on | 11:50 |
| ogra | we're having a good partnership with guadalinex going | 11:50 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 11:50 |
| ogra | i was in seville quite often the last years | 11:50 |
| Jane_ux | kool | 11:50 |
| Jane_ux | i live in north spain | 11:50 |
| Jane_ux | but been in seville few times | 11:51 |
| Jane_ux | nice place | 11:51 |
| Jane_ux | okk come on | 11:51 |
| Jane_ux | lets back to work | 11:51 |
| Jane_ux | :) | 11:51 |
| Jane_ux | heyyy | 11:53 |
| Jane_ux | idesk av not a GUI isnt it? | 11:53 |
| ogra | for configuration ? no i dont think so | 11:54 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 11:55 |
| ogra | i think the wiki describes how to configure it ... | 11:55 |
| Jane_ux | yep, really self explanatory, really complete, i am aving a read | 11:55 |
| Jane_ux | but isnt there any other method to lock d icons, in a more straight way | 11:56 |
| ogra | sadly nautilus is missing that | 11:56 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 11:56 |
| Jane_ux | i ll use idesk then, thanks for ur time | 11:57 |
| Jane_ux | cya around | 11:57 |
| ogra | ciao :) | 11:57 |
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| ogra | RichEd, meet Jane_ux :) | 12:13 |
| ogra | Jane_ux, RichEd is our educational programme manager at canonical | 12:14 |
| Jane_ux | heyyy | 12:14 |
| Jane_ux | niceeee | 12:14 |
| Jane_ux | hi riched | 12:14 |
| RichEd | hi Jane_ux | 12:14 |
| RichEd | hi ogra :) | 12:14 |
| Jane_ux | heyy | 12:14 |
| ogra | if you need support, partnership or other stuff ralted to educational means, he is the person to talk to | 12:15 |
| ogra | *related | 12:15 |
| Jane_ux | ok nice to know that | 12:15 |
| Jane_ux | i writte it down :) | 12:15 |
| RichEd | where are you involved Jane_ux ? | 12:15 |
| Jane_ux | we have a company, small one, which implement client server architectures | 12:16 |
| Jane_ux | and as i told to ogra, we have started recently to work with ltsp | 12:16 |
| Jane_ux | and ubuntu | 12:16 |
| Jane_ux | heyyy ogra, i cannot uncheck the show_desktop key, even as sudo | 12:17 |
| Jane_ux | should i change any permission??? | 12:17 |
| ogra | do you try that in sabayon ? | 12:17 |
| Jane_ux | nope | 12:18 |
| ogra | hmm | 12:18 |
| ogra | strange, it should just work | 12:18 |
| Jane_ux | but i ll try it | 12:18 |
| RichEd | do you have education clients Jane_ux | 12:18 |
| Jane_ux | it says: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Value for `/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop' set in a read-only source at the front of your configuration path | 12:18 |
| Jane_ux | not really education, though we work with edubuntu too | 12:18 |
| ogra | yu are at /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop ? | 12:19 |
| Jane_ux | we approach companies to implement ltsp machines | 12:19 |
| Jane_ux | yep | 12:19 |
| ogra | hmm, works fine here | 12:19 |
| ogra | did you make anything readonly or did you lock down anything with pessulus that could cause that ? | 12:20 |
| Jane_ux | okok | 12:20 |
| Jane_ux | i guess so | 12:21 |
| Jane_ux | the file access permissions in desktop as set to --- | 12:21 |
| Jane_ux | may they be read and write??? | 12:22 |
| ogra | they should, yes | 12:22 |
| Jane_ux | omg, i cannot change the permissions | 12:24 |
| Jane_ux | it come back to --- | 12:24 |
| Jane_ux | dont know wats happend | 12:31 |
| Jane_ux | folder permission in desktop are "create and delete files" | 12:31 |
| Jane_ux | i can change all the keys except show_desktop | 12:32 |
| Jane_ux | ok, i can uncheck it as a normal user, but not with sudo | 12:34 |
| Jane_ux | heyy ogra, can u uncheck it as sudo?? | 12:35 |
| ogra | yes, thats what i tries | 12:35 |
| ogra | *tried | 12:35 |
| ogra | i suspect that either sabayon or a pessulussetting is responsible for you not being able to | 12:36 |
| Jane_ux | yep i guess so, i ll av a look, thanks | 12:36 |
| Jane_ux | now at least is uncheck it for my user | 12:36 |
| Jane_ux | i set up idesk correctly | 12:37 |
| Jane_ux | u said i av to tell the comp to make idesk control the desktop, how can i do that | 12:37 |
| ogra | system->preferences->sessions | 12:38 |
| ogra | add a new startup program | 12:38 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 12:39 |
| Jane_ux | and command idesk, isnt it? | 12:39 |
| ogra | i think so | 12:41 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 12:41 |
| Jane_ux | last question | 12:41 |
| Jane_ux | to lock the drag option | 12:41 |
| Jane_ux | i just av to remove the line " Drag: left hold" | 12:42 |
| Jane_ux | from .ideskrc??? | 12:42 |
| Jane_ux | never mind | 12:43 |
| Jane_ux | i ll try that anyway | 12:43 |
| Jane_ux | thanks again | 12:43 |
| Jane_ux | :( | 12:58 |
| Jane_ux | nothing | 12:58 |
| Jane_ux | i dont know why i cant uncheck the show_desktop | 12:59 |
| Jane_ux | i tried everything | 12:59 |
| Jane_ux | i misconfigured something | 12:59 |
| Jane_ux | i dont know what | 12:59 |
| ogra | very likely | 12:59 |
| * ogra doesnt know what either | 13:00 | |
| Jane_ux | any idea | 13:00 |
| ogra | not really | 13:00 |
| ogra | did you set any filesystem permissions manually on the commandline ? | 13:00 |
| Jane_ux | maybe if sabayon is installed its overwrite the permissions?? | 13:00 |
| Jane_ux | from the commandline nop | 13:00 |
| ogra | hmm, that might be, not sure | 13:00 |
| Jane_ux | from nautilus yes, yesterday | 13:00 |
| Jane_ux | but i changed everything again to the normal statate | 13:01 |
| Jane_ux | do you have sabayon installed?? | 13:01 |
| ogra | nope | 13:03 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 13:04 |
| Jane_ux | mayb its that | 13:04 |
| Jane_ux | ok, im still lookin for show_desktop permissions | 13:22 |
| Jane_ux | ogra, do you know where the show_desktop permissions are?? | 13:22 |
| Jane_ux | i tried everythin | 13:22 |
| Jane_ux | not luck | 13:23 |
| Jane_ux | hiya | 14:14 |
| Jane_ux | ogra are you there?? | 14:15 |
| Jane_ux | any1 | 14:20 |
| Jane_ux | I cant change the gconf key app>nautilus>preferences>show_desktop | 14:21 |
| Jane_ux | its says "This key is not writable" | 14:21 |
| Jane_ux | any idea?? iam geting crazy with that | 14:21 |
| ogra | Jane_ux, not really, sorry | 14:29 |
| Jane_ux | ok | 14:29 |
| Jane_ux | is there anyway to reset the system permissions to default?? | 14:30 |
| edgardo | algun docente por aqui? | 21:06 |
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