[11:05] hi every1 [11:05] How can I lockdown the position of the icons in the desktop? [11:06] I am using gnome [11:07] I am using KDE [11:07] yep [11:07] i know in kde is possible [11:07] but in gnome??? [11:07] KDE is awsome [11:07] I never used gnome [11:07] i dont think thats possible with nautilus ... but you can tell nautilus to not manage the desktop and install something like idesk [11:08] cause KDE is too awsome to switch to gonome [11:08] of-course [11:08] I have never udes linux [11:08] only KUBUNTU! [11:08] * ogra wonders what that was now :) [11:09] any usefull idea pls??? [11:09] did you see the line i posted ? [11:10] yep [11:10] so how can i tell nautilus not to manage the desktop? [11:10] install gconf-editor, go to apps/nautilus and look for a key like "show_desktop" (not sure about the right name) [11:10] uncheck that [11:11] ok [11:11] then install idesk (there are some howtos out on the ubuntu wiki how to set it up properly (do a fulltext search for "idesk" on the wiki)) [11:11] and make sure it gets started in your gnome session [11:12] it will replace the nautilus desktop with a fixed raster of icons you can put on it [11:12] ok i ll try that [11:12] thanks very much ogra [11:15] ok, 1st problem [11:15] I am using sabayon too [11:15] if i set the nautilus to dont show_desktop [11:16] i guess sabayon will av problems [11:16] ??!! [11:16] no, i dont think so [11:16] sabayon just makes a profile out of the gconf keys you set [11:16] ok [11:17] the gconf-editor keys are mandatories??? [11:17] or i must change it for every user?? [11:17] or i must executed it as sudo? [11:18] well, if you run gconf-editor through sudo, set a key, right click on it, you have points like "set as default" and "make mandatory" ... set both of these and it will work systemwide [11:18] ok [11:20] just to be sure, idesk allows to lock the icons position?? [11:21] it has a fixed table [11:21] like a raster on your desktop ... you can put icons into that raster ad they are not movable by the user [11:21] ok, i ll try it [11:21] i let u know how is it going [11:22] thanks very much [11:22] :) [11:24] iam reading idesk wiki [11:24] the thing is i want to make a public pc, like a kiosk [11:25] do u know if is there any application to do it [11:25] it is better to use kdm?? [11:25] kde? [11:27] well, i have not much experience with KDE so i might be the wrong person to ask :) [11:27] in gnome im locking down everything manually, using sabayon, pessulus... [11:27] do you know any other application to manage the kiosk in gnome [11:27] well, that wont be muc different with KDE, you wil have to use kiosktool like sabayon and do the lockdown there i think [11:28] do you run that setup through ltsp ? [11:28] yep [11:29] i hope it ll work fine [11:30] there is a doc in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/workstation (not really ubuntu (debian added that) but i can tell you the differences) tha describes how to change the thin client image to have a local desktop running with autologin [11:31] its similar to what we do in ubuntu with the --kiosk switch to ltsp-build-client, but adds a ful desktop instead of runing firefox locally [11:31] (whic is what our kiosk plugin does) [11:32] ok, really usefull, i ll have a look :) [11:32] you will still have to do the lockdown manually though but only have to care for that one image [11:33] and you need slightly more beefy clients since they run a ful desktop [11:33] ok [11:33] (stndard ltsp ony runs X and dm the ltsp display manager) [11:33] but i ll try first to make the client run everything remotely [11:33] *ldm [11:34] ok [11:34] do u think [11:34] if i configure first the host computer with all the set up and lock donw things [11:34] and then i create the ltsp image, the clients will av the same configuration as the host [11:35] or i av to lock down everything again in the clients image?? [11:35] if you do this workstation thing from the doc above you wil have to do it again in the image [11:36] if you use ltsp the standard way the changes you make to the server desktop will just apply [11:36] ouuug [11:36] ahhh nice to read d second line :) [11:37] :) [11:37] i ll use d ltsp way [11:37] thanks again [11:37] anyway [11:37] where are you from?? [11:37] germany [11:37] ok [11:38] im spanish but i live in uk, london [11:38] ah, nice [11:38] ok, i am with d idesk thing now [11:39] do u work for ubuntu?? [11:39] yep [11:40] ok [11:40] and r u here every day?? [11:40] yep ... usually [11:41] nice :) [11:41] its nice to know that here some1 can answer ur questions [11:41] usefully [11:41] :) [11:42] well, i'm not alone there are 25 other people apart from us two here ... most/many of the cn help even if i'm not around ;) [11:42] kooool [11:42] but i'm probably the best resource though ... [11:43] lol :) [11:43] <-- creator/maintainer of edubuntu ... and coder of the most parts of ltsp5 [11:43] ok in september my company will need an edubuntu/ltsp consultant [11:43] i ll recomend u.. :) [11:44] would u be interested?? [11:44] heh, i sadly have a ton of other duties, but canonical offers services, i bet we can do something about that :) [11:44] :) u busy boy [11:44] hehe :) [11:44] anyway, we keep in touch [11:45] and any quest i av, i ll contact u straigth away [11:45] so b ready... lol [11:45] we're currently working with intel to get an edubuntu image going on their classmate PC, that eats most of my time [11:46] ok so u prefer big companies, i see [11:46] :) [11:46] anyway, nice to see that big companies as intel are working deeply with open source [11:46] nah, i'm just a minion of the canonical management :) i do what they tell me :) [11:46] :) [11:47] are you allways ogra?? [11:47] or are there more ogra??? [11:47] * ogra looks in the mirror ... [11:48] .. [11:48] looks like it changed slightly the last 38 years .. but most of the time i feel like ogra, yes :) [11:48] :) [11:48] ok [11:48] so we keep in touch [11:48] ... and sometimes it feels like there are more ... :) [11:48] sure :) [11:49] anyway I am working for a tiny spanish company [11:49] we implement client server arquitectures, and recently statr workin with ltsp [11:49] nice to see there is good support [11:49] cool [11:50] ok come on [11:50] we're having a good partnership with guadalinex going [11:50] ok [11:50] i was in seville quite often the last years [11:50] kool [11:50] i live in north spain [11:51] but been in seville few times [11:51] nice place [11:51] okk come on [11:51] lets back to work [11:51] :) [11:53] heyyy [11:53] idesk av not a GUI isnt it? [11:54] for configuration ? no i dont think so [11:55] ok [11:55] i think the wiki describes how to configure it ... [11:55] yep, really self explanatory, really complete, i am aving a read [11:56] but isnt there any other method to lock d icons, in a more straight way [11:56] sadly nautilus is missing that [11:56] ok [11:57] i ll use idesk then, thanks for ur time [11:57] cya around [11:57] ciao :) === ogra_ is now known as ogra [12:13] RichEd, meet Jane_ux :) [12:14] Jane_ux, RichEd is our educational programme manager at canonical [12:14] heyyy [12:14] niceeee [12:14] hi riched [12:14] hi Jane_ux [12:14] hi ogra :) [12:14] heyy [12:15] if you need support, partnership or other stuff ralted to educational means, he is the person to talk to [12:15] *related [12:15] ok nice to know that [12:15] i writte it down :) [12:15] where are you involved Jane_ux ? [12:16] we have a company, small one, which implement client server architectures [12:16] and as i told to ogra, we have started recently to work with ltsp [12:16] and ubuntu [12:17] heyyy ogra, i cannot uncheck the show_desktop key, even as sudo [12:17] should i change any permission??? [12:17] do you try that in sabayon ? [12:18] nope [12:18] hmm [12:18] strange, it should just work [12:18] but i ll try it [12:18] do you have education clients Jane_ux [12:18] it says: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Value for `/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop' set in a read-only source at the front of your configuration path [12:18] not really education, though we work with edubuntu too [12:19] yu are at /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop ? [12:19] we approach companies to implement ltsp machines [12:19] yep [12:19] hmm, works fine here [12:20] did you make anything readonly or did you lock down anything with pessulus that could cause that ? [12:20] okok [12:21] i guess so [12:21] the file access permissions in desktop as set to --- [12:22] may they be read and write??? [12:22] they should, yes [12:24] omg, i cannot change the permissions [12:24] it come back to --- [12:31] dont know wats happend [12:31] folder permission in desktop are "create and delete files" [12:32] i can change all the keys except show_desktop [12:34] ok, i can uncheck it as a normal user, but not with sudo [12:35] heyy ogra, can u uncheck it as sudo?? [12:35] yes, thats what i tries [12:35] *tried [12:36] i suspect that either sabayon or a pessulussetting is responsible for you not being able to [12:36] yep i guess so, i ll av a look, thanks [12:36] now at least is uncheck it for my user [12:37] i set up idesk correctly [12:37] u said i av to tell the comp to make idesk control the desktop, how can i do that [12:38] system->preferences->sessions [12:38] add a new startup program [12:39] ok [12:39] and command idesk, isnt it? [12:41] i think so [12:41] ok [12:41] last question [12:41] to lock the drag option [12:42] i just av to remove the line " Drag: left hold" [12:42] from .ideskrc??? [12:43] never mind [12:43] i ll try that anyway [12:43] thanks again [12:58] :( [12:58] nothing [12:59] i dont know why i cant uncheck the show_desktop [12:59] i tried everything [12:59] i misconfigured something [12:59] i dont know what [12:59] very likely [13:00] * ogra doesnt know what either [13:00] any idea [13:00] not really [13:00] did you set any filesystem permissions manually on the commandline ? [13:00] maybe if sabayon is installed its overwrite the permissions?? [13:00] from the commandline nop [13:00] hmm, that might be, not sure [13:00] from nautilus yes, yesterday [13:01] but i changed everything again to the normal statate [13:01] do you have sabayon installed?? [13:03] nope [13:04] ok [13:04] mayb its that [13:22] ok, im still lookin for show_desktop permissions [13:22] ogra, do you know where the show_desktop permissions are?? [13:22] i tried everythin [13:23] not luck [14:14] hiya [14:15] ogra are you there?? [14:20] any1 [14:21] I cant change the gconf key app>nautilus>preferences>show_desktop [14:21] its says "This key is not writable" [14:21] any idea?? iam geting crazy with that [14:29] Jane_ux, not really, sorry [14:29] ok [14:30] is there anyway to reset the system permissions to default?? [21:06] algun docente por aqui? === hfsdo_ is now known as hfsdo