[11:05] <Jane_ux> hi every1
[11:05] <Jane_ux> How can I lockdown the position of the icons in the desktop?
[11:06] <Jane_ux> I am using gnome
[11:07] <oblenob> I am using KDE
[11:07] <Jane_ux> yep
[11:07] <Jane_ux> i know in kde is possible
[11:07] <Jane_ux> but in gnome???
[11:07] <oblenob> KDE is awsome
[11:07] <oblenob> I never used gnome
[11:07] <ogra> i dont think thats possible with nautilus ... but you can tell nautilus to not manage the desktop and install something like idesk
[11:08] <oblenob> cause KDE is too awsome to switch to gonome
[11:08] <oblenob> of-course
[11:08] <oblenob> I have never udes linux
[11:08] <oblenob> only KUBUNTU!
[11:08]  * ogra wonders what that was now :)
[11:09] <Jane_ux> any usefull idea pls???
[11:09] <ogra> did you see the line i posted ?
[11:10] <Jane_ux> yep
[11:10] <Jane_ux> so how can i tell nautilus not to manage the desktop?
[11:10] <ogra> install gconf-editor, go to apps/nautilus and look for a key like "show_desktop" (not sure about the right name)
[11:10] <ogra> uncheck that
[11:11] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:11] <ogra> then install idesk (there are some howtos out on the ubuntu wiki how to set it up properly (do a fulltext search for "idesk" on the wiki))
[11:11] <ogra> and make sure it gets started in your gnome session
[11:12] <ogra> it will replace the nautilus desktop with a fixed raster of icons you can put on it
[11:12] <Jane_ux> ok i ll try that
[11:12] <Jane_ux> thanks very much ogra
[11:15] <Jane_ux> ok, 1st problem
[11:15] <Jane_ux> I am using sabayon too
[11:15] <Jane_ux> if i set the nautilus to dont show_desktop
[11:16] <Jane_ux> i guess sabayon will av problems
[11:16] <Jane_ux> ??!!
[11:16] <ogra> no, i dont think so
[11:16] <ogra> sabayon just makes a profile out of the gconf keys you set
[11:16] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:17] <Jane_ux> the gconf-editor keys are mandatories???
[11:17] <Jane_ux> or i must change it for every user??
[11:17] <Jane_ux> or i must executed it as sudo?
[11:18] <ogra> well, if you run gconf-editor through sudo, set a key, right click on it, you have points like "set as default" and "make mandatory" ... set both of these and it will work systemwide
[11:18] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:20] <Jane_ux> just to be sure, idesk allows to lock the icons position??
[11:21] <ogra> it has a fixed table
[11:21] <ogra> like a raster on your desktop ... you can put icons into that raster ad they are not movable by the user
[11:21] <Jane_ux> ok, i ll try it
[11:21] <Jane_ux> i let u know how is it going
[11:22] <Jane_ux> thanks very much
[11:22] <ogra> :)
[11:24] <Jane_ux> iam reading idesk wiki
[11:24] <Jane_ux> the thing is i want to make a public pc, like a kiosk
[11:25] <Jane_ux> do u know if is there any application to do it
[11:25] <Jane_ux> it is better to use kdm??
[11:25] <Jane_ux> kde?
[11:27] <ogra> well, i have not much experience with KDE so i might be the wrong person to ask :)
[11:27] <Jane_ux> in gnome im locking down everything manually, using sabayon, pessulus...
[11:27] <Jane_ux> do you know any other application to manage the kiosk in gnome
[11:27] <ogra> well, that wont be muc different with KDE, you wil have to use kiosktool like sabayon and do the lockdown there i think
[11:28] <ogra> do you run that setup through ltsp ?
[11:28] <Jane_ux> yep
[11:29] <Jane_ux> i hope it ll work fine
[11:30] <ogra> there is a doc in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/workstation (not really ubuntu (debian added that) but i can tell you the differences) tha describes how to change the thin client image to have a local desktop running with autologin
[11:31] <ogra> its similar to what we do in ubuntu with the --kiosk switch to ltsp-build-client, but adds a ful desktop instead of runing firefox locally
[11:31] <ogra> (whic is what our kiosk plugin does)
[11:32] <Jane_ux> ok, really usefull, i ll have a look :)
[11:32] <ogra> you will still have to do the lockdown manually though but only have to care for that one image
[11:33] <ogra> and you need slightly more beefy clients since they run a ful desktop
[11:33] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:33] <ogra> (stndard ltsp ony runs X and dm the ltsp display manager)
[11:33] <Jane_ux> but i ll try first to make the client run everything remotely
[11:33] <ogra> *ldm
[11:34] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:34] <Jane_ux> do u think
[11:34] <Jane_ux> if i configure first the host computer with all the set up and lock donw things
[11:34] <Jane_ux> and then i create the ltsp image, the clients will av the same configuration as the host
[11:35] <Jane_ux> or i av to lock down everything again in the clients image??
[11:35] <ogra> if you do this workstation thing from the doc above you wil have to do it again in the image
[11:36] <ogra> if you use ltsp the standard way the changes you make to the server desktop will just apply
[11:36] <Jane_ux> ouuug
[11:36] <Jane_ux> ahhh nice to read d second line :)
[11:37] <ogra> :)
[11:37] <Jane_ux> i ll use d ltsp way
[11:37] <Jane_ux> thanks again
[11:37] <Jane_ux> anyway
[11:37] <Jane_ux> where are you from??
[11:37] <ogra> germany
[11:37] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:38] <Jane_ux> im spanish but i live in uk, london
[11:38] <ogra> ah, nice
[11:38] <Jane_ux> ok, i am with d idesk thing now
[11:39] <Jane_ux> do u work for ubuntu??
[11:39] <ogra> yep
[11:40] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:40] <Jane_ux> and r u here every day??
[11:40] <ogra> yep ... usually
[11:41] <Jane_ux> nice :)
[11:41] <Jane_ux> its nice to know that here some1 can answer ur questions
[11:41] <Jane_ux> usefully
[11:41] <Jane_ux> :)
[11:42] <ogra> well, i'm not alone there are 25 other people apart from us two here  ... most/many of the cn help even if i'm not around ;)
[11:42] <Jane_ux> kooool
[11:42] <ogra> but i'm probably the best resource though ...
[11:43] <Jane_ux> lol :)
[11:43] <ogra> <-- creator/maintainer of edubuntu ... and coder of the most parts of ltsp5
[11:43] <Jane_ux> ok in september my company will need an edubuntu/ltsp consultant
[11:43] <Jane_ux> i ll recomend u.. :)
[11:44] <Jane_ux> would u be interested??
[11:44] <ogra> heh, i sadly have a ton of other duties, but canonical offers services, i bet we can do something about that :)
[11:44] <Jane_ux> :) u busy boy
[11:44] <ogra> hehe :)
[11:44] <Jane_ux> anyway, we keep in touch
[11:45] <Jane_ux> and any quest i av, i ll contact u straigth away
[11:45] <Jane_ux> so b ready... lol
[11:45] <ogra> we're currently working with intel to get an edubuntu image going on their classmate PC, that eats most of my time
[11:46] <Jane_ux> ok so u prefer big companies, i see
[11:46] <Jane_ux> :)
[11:46] <Jane_ux> anyway, nice to see that big companies as intel are working deeply with open source
[11:46] <ogra> nah, i'm just a minion of the canonical management :) i do what they tell me :)
[11:46] <Jane_ux> :)
[11:47] <Jane_ux> are you allways ogra??
[11:47] <Jane_ux> or are there more ogra???
[11:47]  * ogra looks in the mirror ...
[11:48] <Jane_ux> ..
[11:48] <ogra> looks like it changed slightly the last 38  years .. but most of the time i feel like ogra, yes :)
[11:48] <Jane_ux> :)
[11:48] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:48] <Jane_ux> so we keep in touch
[11:48] <ogra> ... and sometimes it feels like there are more ... :)
[11:48] <ogra> sure :)
[11:49] <Jane_ux> anyway I am working for a tiny spanish company
[11:49] <Jane_ux> we implement client server arquitectures, and recently statr workin with ltsp
[11:49] <Jane_ux> nice to see there is good support
[11:49] <ogra> cool
[11:50] <Jane_ux> ok come on
[11:50] <ogra> we're having a good partnership with guadalinex going
[11:50] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:50] <ogra> i was in seville quite often the last years
[11:50] <Jane_ux> kool
[11:50] <Jane_ux> i live in north spain
[11:51] <Jane_ux> but been in seville few times
[11:51] <Jane_ux> nice place
[11:51] <Jane_ux> okk come on
[11:51] <Jane_ux> lets back to work
[11:51] <Jane_ux> :)
[11:53] <Jane_ux> heyyy
[11:53] <Jane_ux> idesk av not a GUI isnt it?
[11:54] <ogra> for configuration ? no i dont think so
[11:55] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:55] <ogra> i think the wiki describes how to configure it  ...
[11:55] <Jane_ux> yep, really self explanatory, really complete, i am aving a read
[11:56] <Jane_ux> but isnt there any other method to lock d icons, in a more straight way
[11:56] <ogra> sadly nautilus is missing that
[11:56] <Jane_ux> ok
[11:57] <Jane_ux> i ll use idesk then, thanks for ur time
[11:57] <Jane_ux> cya around
[11:57] <ogra> ciao :)
[12:13] <ogra> RichEd, meet Jane_ux :)
[12:14] <ogra> Jane_ux, RichEd is our educational programme manager at canonical
[12:14] <Jane_ux> heyyy
[12:14] <Jane_ux> niceeee
[12:14] <Jane_ux> hi riched
[12:14] <RichEd> hi Jane_ux
[12:14] <RichEd> hi ogra :)
[12:14] <Jane_ux> heyy
[12:15] <ogra> if you need support, partnership or other stuff ralted to educational means, he is the person to talk to
[12:15] <ogra> *related
[12:15] <Jane_ux> ok nice to know that
[12:15] <Jane_ux> i writte it down :)
[12:15] <RichEd> where are you involved Jane_ux ?
[12:16] <Jane_ux> we have a company, small one, which implement client server architectures
[12:16] <Jane_ux> and as i told to ogra, we have started recently to work with ltsp
[12:16] <Jane_ux> and ubuntu
[12:17] <Jane_ux> heyyy ogra, i cannot uncheck the show_desktop key, even as sudo
[12:17] <Jane_ux> should i change any permission???
[12:17] <ogra> do you try that in sabayon ?
[12:18] <Jane_ux> nope
[12:18] <ogra> hmm
[12:18] <ogra> strange, it should just work
[12:18] <Jane_ux> but i ll try it
[12:18] <RichEd> do you have education clients Jane_ux
[12:18] <Jane_ux> it says: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Value for `/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop' set in a read-only source at the front of your configuration path
[12:18] <Jane_ux> not really education, though we work with edubuntu too
[12:19] <ogra> yu are at /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop ?
[12:19] <Jane_ux> we approach companies to implement ltsp machines
[12:19] <Jane_ux> yep
[12:19] <ogra> hmm, works fine here
[12:20] <ogra> did you make anything readonly or did you lock down anything with pessulus that could cause that ?
[12:20] <Jane_ux> okok
[12:21] <Jane_ux> i guess so
[12:21] <Jane_ux> the file access permissions in desktop as set to ---
[12:22] <Jane_ux> may  they be read and write???
[12:22] <ogra> they should, yes
[12:24] <Jane_ux> omg, i cannot change the permissions
[12:24] <Jane_ux> it come back to ---
[12:31] <Jane_ux> dont know wats happend
[12:31] <Jane_ux> folder permission in desktop are "create and delete files"
[12:32] <Jane_ux> i can change all the keys except show_desktop
[12:34] <Jane_ux> ok, i can uncheck it as a normal user, but not with sudo
[12:35] <Jane_ux> heyy ogra, can u uncheck it as sudo??
[12:35] <ogra> yes, thats what i tries
[12:35] <ogra> *tried
[12:36] <ogra> i suspect that either sabayon or a pessulussetting is responsible for you not being able to
[12:36] <Jane_ux> yep i guess so, i ll av a look, thanks
[12:36] <Jane_ux> now at least is uncheck it for my user
[12:37] <Jane_ux> i set up idesk correctly
[12:37] <Jane_ux> u said i av to tell the comp to make idesk control the desktop, how can i do that
[12:38] <ogra> system->preferences->sessions
[12:38] <ogra> add a new startup program
[12:39] <Jane_ux> ok
[12:39] <Jane_ux> and command idesk, isnt it?
[12:41] <ogra> i think so
[12:41] <Jane_ux> ok
[12:41] <Jane_ux> last question
[12:41] <Jane_ux> to lock the drag option
[12:42] <Jane_ux> i just av to remove the line " Drag: left hold"
[12:42] <Jane_ux> from .ideskrc???
[12:43] <Jane_ux> never mind
[12:43] <Jane_ux> i ll try that anyway
[12:43] <Jane_ux> thanks again
[12:58] <Jane_ux> :(
[12:58] <Jane_ux> nothing
[12:59] <Jane_ux> i dont know why i cant uncheck the show_desktop
[12:59] <Jane_ux> i tried everything
[12:59] <Jane_ux> i misconfigured something
[12:59] <Jane_ux> i dont know what
[12:59] <ogra> very likely
[13:00]  * ogra doesnt know what either
[13:00] <Jane_ux> any idea
[13:00] <ogra> not really
[13:00] <ogra> did you set any filesystem permissions manually on the commandline ?
[13:00] <Jane_ux> maybe if sabayon is installed its overwrite the permissions??
[13:00] <Jane_ux> from the commandline nop
[13:00] <ogra> hmm, that might be, not sure
[13:00] <Jane_ux> from nautilus yes, yesterday
[13:01] <Jane_ux> but i changed everything again to the normal statate
[13:01] <Jane_ux> do you have sabayon installed??
[13:03] <ogra> nope
[13:04] <Jane_ux> ok
[13:04] <Jane_ux> mayb its that
[13:22] <Jane_ux> ok, im still lookin for show_desktop permissions
[13:22] <Jane_ux> ogra, do you know where the show_desktop permissions are??
[13:22] <Jane_ux> i tried everythin
[13:23] <Jane_ux> not luck
[14:14] <Jane_ux> hiya
[14:15] <Jane_ux> ogra are you there??
[14:20] <Jane_ux> any1
[14:21] <Jane_ux> I cant change the gconf key app>nautilus>preferences>show_desktop
[14:21] <Jane_ux> its says "This key is not writable"
[14:21] <Jane_ux> any idea?? iam geting crazy with that
[14:29] <ogra> Jane_ux, not really, sorry
[14:29] <Jane_ux> ok
[14:30] <Jane_ux> is there anyway to reset the system permissions to default??
[21:06] <edgardo> algun docente por aqui?