[00:01] <genii> jp88: "[18:58] <jp88> genii: by geometry u mean boot sequence or am i lost"  No geometry means how the cvomputer motherboard understands how many cylinders,heads and so on in the hard drive."[18:59] <jp88> genii: im a noob. do i boot into the os first" If you can boot to the livecd you should be able to do some simple things like run a file system check on the old boot partition of the hard drive.
[00:01] <genii> Work requires me, so I may be unresponsive for a few minutes
[00:03] <jp88> genii: undersand geometry part and never touched it. at the livecd boot screen do i go into the os or not??
[00:07] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix
[00:08] <jp88> ubottu is that directed towards me
[00:08] <genii> jp88: Boot the cdrom, yes. Into the desktop of the cdrom.
[00:08] <jp88> lol
[00:10] <jp88> genii: ok im in it
[00:10] <r0cks0ul> sorry i was on my other computer
[00:10] <r0cks0ul> idont usually ask help just  tripping i can figure it out myself thanks anyway
[00:11] <genii> jp88: Is it a Kubuntu cd or an Ubuntu cd?
[00:11] <jp88> its the ubuntu cd
[00:11] <genii> jp88: If Kubuntu then open Konsole, if Ubuntu then open Terminal
[00:11] <r0cks0ul> and besides im not working on linux macosx86 rather
[00:11] <jp88> genii: k
[00:11] <r0cks0ul> exit
[00:12] <r0cks0ul> quit
[00:12] <genii> jp88: Have you used the pastebin servece here before? We will need to make use of it
[00:12] <jp88> yes i have
[00:13]  * SnoopyDog ponders why the web browser wouldn't load....
[00:13] <genii> jp88: OK, good. So pastebin the result of command:     sudo fdisk -l
[00:13] <SnoopyDog> it loads but then shuts down
[00:15] <Admiral_Chicago> SnoopyDog: you could install the pastebinit package....
[00:15] <genii> jp88: I'll return in 3-4 minutes. Work needs me here on and off
[00:15] <SnoopyDog> eh what does that do?
[00:15] <SnoopyDog> eh
[00:15] <jp88> genii: gonna log into pidgin quickly on livecd
[00:15] <jp88> k
[00:15] <Admiral_Chicago> you type it in a file... pastebinit <filename>
[00:15] <Admiral_Chicago> and it gives you a URL with the appropriate pastebin
[00:15] <SnoopyDog> eh ok.
[00:17] <jp89> genii: http://pastebin.com/d7373cb87 fdisk
[00:18] <SnoopyDog> type it in the Terminal ?
[00:18] <mado> oy guys ...
[00:19] <mado> i can't use "dban" on the "ultimatebootcd" because it says my hard disk has bad sectors
[00:19] <mado> can i do anything about that?
[00:19] <Admiral_Chicago> SnoopyDog: yes
[00:20] <SnoopyDog> hrmm that be a problem Terminal wouldn't load but it was fine before but now it can't
[00:20] <SnoopyDog> I think i have Pidgin connected with AIM and MSN and I have konversation on so could it be the memory?
[00:20] <Admiral_Chicago> doubt it...you could just change to a different tty
[00:20] <SnoopyDog> ooh ok
[00:20] <Admiral_Chicago> alt+ctrl+F1
[00:21] <SnoopyDog> ya
[00:21] <Admiral_Chicago> then F7 will get you back...
[00:21] <SnoopyDog> ok
[00:21] <dorian_> tell me something about kubuntu's alternate install options
[00:21] <mado> one more thing ...
[00:21] <zipper> I have a geforce 8600gt and the fan is running at 100% all the time - no matter the load. nvclock apparently doesnt support my card, so i cannot use it to change the fan speed. Any ideas?  Posted a reply to this thread with a few more details : http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=104713&page=10
[00:22] <dorian_> buy an xbox:)
[00:22] <mado> is there a command that can tell the manufactorer of my hard disk?
[00:23] <SnoopyDog> ok i did it www.pastebin.com/f2bff446e
[00:23] <SnoopyDog> ?
[00:26] <genii> jp89: OK, back and reading
[00:26] <jp89> right on top
[00:26] <jp89> genii: oh sorry misunderstood
[00:26] <dorian_> search the www for a software good for your graphic card zipper
[00:27] <genii> jp89: so now then:   sudo fsck /dev/sda1
[00:27] <zipper> dorian_, hmm?
[00:28] <jp89> genii: says Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes
[00:28] <jp89> Inode 49795 has illegal block(s).  Clear<y>?
[00:28] <zipper> dorian_, the nvidia driver is closed source, and every attempt to reverse-engineer a driver is shut down by nvidia. There is nowhere on the www i can look for another driver.
[00:28] <genii> jp89: In this case, hit ctrl-c to stop the scan.
[00:28] <engineer> zipper ?
[00:28]  * SnoopyDog strugs .... brb restarting
[00:28] <jp89> k
[00:28] <dorian_> not the driver, the utilities
[00:28] <dorian_> or something
[00:29] <genii> jp89: Then issue:   sudo fsck -y /dev/sda1               this will answer Yes to the questions of repair automatically
[00:29] <dorian_> nvidia doesn't have support at all for linux SO?
[00:29] <engineer> zipper it's the right for nvidia to keep their secrets hidden, the code ain't open for windows either
[00:29] <engineer> is ati driver open as well?
[00:29] <jp89> genii: what is it doing now??
[00:30] <zipper> engineer, wait what? when did i blame nvidia for having a closed driver?
[00:30] <zipper> i was merely replying to "<dorian_> search the www for a software good for your graphic card zipper"
[00:31] <zipper> engineer, what i do blame them for though, is not fixing a very simple bug that was reported 7 months ago.
[00:31] <genii> jp89: It's checking the filesystem of the partition and hopefully repairing any horrible errors in it. Then it will mark the filesystem clean so can attempt booting from it again.
[00:31] <jp89> ok it done
[00:32] <jp89> genii: lets hope it works....see u on the other side
[00:32] <zipper> dorian_, afaik the only tool that would solve my problem is 'nvclock' - but that tells me that my card doesnt support fan speed regulations :<
[00:32] <zipper> which is, ofcourse, a load of #%&/"%¤
[00:33] <genii> jp89: OK, I'll be around :)
[00:33] <WaltzingAlong> !info powertop
[00:34] <jp88> genii: now it tells me grub loading error 15
[00:34] <dorian_> too bad zipper, what can i say...
[00:35] <zipper> you could say how to fix this issue? =)
[00:36] <genii> jp88: Well, a bit further now anyhow. Boot back up to livecd please, and we will try to fix it.
[00:36] <jp88> genii: sorry to be such a pain
[00:37] <genii> jp88: No worries
[00:39] <jp88> ok im in
[00:39] <kedao> hi
[00:43] <jp88> genii: At the terminal
[00:45] <genii> jp88: Ok bear with me a minute, work is busy :)
[00:46] <jp88> genii:k sorry. will do. ill read so long
[00:53] <el1te> does kubuntu have a pre-made kernel thats a "multimedia" kernel cause i was in so many distro channels yesterday i cant remember which channel said it had it
[00:53] <el1te> the multimedia kernel has btaudio in it....booktree audio
[00:53] <dorian_> so kubuntu is better for multimedia?
[00:54] <el1te> does it have a multimedia kernel?
[00:55] <SnoopyDog> how do I get /weather to work?
[00:57] <SnoopyDog> is KDE4 still having problems or is it stable?
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> its stable SnoopyDog
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> personally, I'm using KDE4.1 beta package
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> packages
[01:02] <yann_> where are french users
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> !fr
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> yann_: there ^^
[01:04] <genii> jp88: The basic idea is to set up a chroot into the old linux install, and then to install a linux kernel image. This will rebuild the /boot images. I'm spread a bit thin right now. Could you continue in about 1 hour?
[01:04] <yann_> sorry
[01:05] <jp88> it 2 in the morning by me...need sleep soon
[01:07] <Lupus> I have a question about sound, recording and that sort of stuff. How can I record audio from skype?
[01:07] <Lupus> I've tried that skype-rec thing but it requires skype use OSS and I don't seem to have an OSS device
[01:09] <genii> jp88: I'll be on again in 14 hours from now, from work as well
[01:10] <genii> That would be something like 4pm your time
[01:10] <jp88> that should be cool ill see u then and thanks man
[01:10] <jp88> i appreciate the help
[01:24] <ubuntu> hi
[01:25] <SnoopyDog> ok where can i download KDE4?
[01:25] <SnoopyDog> heh
[01:26] <Jucato> SnoopyDog: #kubuntu-kde4 would be able to help
[01:26]  * SnoopyDog is using Ubuntu wll that be a problem?
[01:28] <dorian_> google
[01:29] <dorian_> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[01:30]  * SnoopyDog is using Ubuntu
[01:30] <Jucato> SnoopyDog: it won't be a problem
[01:30] <SnoopyDog> ok
[01:30] <zipper> if you want to use kde instead of gnome, you COULD install kde in ubuntu if you want to.... but imho, save yourself a lot of trouble, and just get kubuntu instead
[01:32] <dorian_> shoul i choose alternate install for kubuntu?
[01:32] <dorian_> should
[02:16]  * genii puts on another pot of coffee
[02:17] <joyfulgirl> Hey, kids. I'm tryin' to get a friend who needs a new computer to convert to Linux, and figured Kubuntu would probably be a nice, safe distro...but I'm unfamiliar with KDE and with most (though by no means all) graphics-intensive stuff in general. Any suggestions on particularly good stuff to show off?
[02:17] <joyfulgirl> (And how to do it?)
[02:18] <genii> joyfulgirl: If they play games then something like OpenArena
[02:19] <dorian_> you boot up with the kubuntu cd in dvd/rw and run "install kubuntu" on hdd0
[02:19] <dorian_> it's the same with all 'buntu
[02:19] <joyfulgirl> dorian_: Right right, but I'm looking to show off the LiveCD first :-)
[02:20] <joyfulgirl> genii: I dunno about games, I doubt it. Are there any particularly nice music composition or playing programs?
[02:20] <dorian_> that liveCD i dont know what it is
[02:21] <joyfulgirl> dorian_: The CD doesn't just install--it also has a copy of the OS you can play around with without writing anything to hard drive.
[02:21] <dorian_> ah yes the first time i did that
[02:21] <dorian_> so what's the problem?
[02:21] <genii> joyfulgirl: Amarok for playing most music
[02:22] <genii> joyfulgirl: Are they a musician?
[02:23] <dorian_> rythmbox is much more complex
[02:24] <dorian_> it's a lot to show off!
[02:24] <genii> !info rosegarden
[02:25] <genii> If they compose, rosegarden does notation
[02:25] <joyfulgirl> Hmmm, interesting. She might like that :-)
[02:26] <dorian_> gnome do
[02:26] <dorian_> !info gnome do
[02:26] <dorian_> :)
[02:27] <some_dude> Kaffeine is telling me that it can't play an encrypted dvd
[02:28] <some_dude> I ran sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh, and it did install but the error is still there
[02:28] <joyfulgirl> genii: Well, anyway...thanks. I'll go back to Googling around.
[02:29] <genii_> Bah ghosted
[02:29] <dorian_> :)
[02:31] <genii> My router is overheating and acting flakey tonight :/
[02:32] <Dr_willis> Thats a lot of packets getting moved. :)
[02:32] <asobi> do i uninstall firefox 2 first then install 3 or just install 3 from adept?
[02:33] <genii> Dr_willis: I think rsyncing one of the work machines might have been the culprit
[02:33] <Dr_willis> asobi,  You are using hardy? or some other release?
[02:34] <asobi> gutsy
[02:34] <Dr_willis> Ive heard others say that FF2 and FF3 conflict in Gutsy.
[02:34] <genii> Theres no backport for 7.10 yet of ff3 in the repos
[02:35] <Dr_willis> genii,  i was thinking that also.
[02:35] <some_dude> no help with my dvd problem ?
[02:35] <genii> !info firefox-3.0 gutsy
[02:35] <genii> eg ^
[02:35] <Dr_willis> some_dude,  what problem?
[02:36] <asobi> ?
[02:36] <asobi> ff3 shows up in adept
[02:36] <Dr_willis> could be the bot dosent show the backports repos.
[02:36] <asobi> backport?
[02:36] <Dr_willis> where new/unofficial things go.
[02:37] <genii> asobi: Backport for instance is when they make something for a new version first then port it to a previous ditribution
[02:37] <some_dude> This DVD Video is encrypted. To be able to watch it you will need to install libdvdcss ..... I installed it but the problem is still there
[02:37] <Dr_willis> ahh it may be in the 'updates' repo.
[02:37] <asobi> hmm
[02:37] <genii> Dr_willis: I'd say maybe -proposed
[02:37] <asobi> no, it's definitely in repo
[02:37] <Dr_willis> some_dude,  i normally follow this 2 command guide -> http://lifehacker.com/350015/enable-dvd-playback-in-ubuntu-in-two-commands
[02:39] <asobi> actually, seems to be dev
[02:44] <SnoopyDog> know how to set up kweather?
[02:45] <Dr_willis> add it to the panel, right click, properties?
[02:45]  * Dr_willis checks
[02:45] <dorian_> right click on a panel, add to panel
[02:45] <Dr_willis> oh wait.. not in kde right now.. so i cant check. :)
[02:46] <Dr_willis> Hmm. Just found a utility for windows - that gives windows the alt-click.drag a window from anywhere feature that we all love in kde :)
[02:47] <SnoopyDog> hmm no see kweather in the list
[02:48] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install kweather
[02:48] <Dr_willis> perhaps?
[02:48] <niiii> sudo apt-get install kweather
[02:48] <SnoopyDog> already installed it
[02:48] <niiii> :)
[02:49] <zipper> Dr_willis, cool, name of that utility?
[02:49] <dorian_> i have in my own language in english it's weather report
[02:49] <niiii> don'tUseWIndows.exe zipper
[02:49] <Dr_willis> zipper,  'kde-windowsizer' (yes its not actually a kde feature)
[02:49] <Dr_willis> http://corz.org/windows/software/accessories/KDE-resizing-moving-for-XP-or-Vista.php
[02:49] <dorian_> something with weather
[02:50] <zipper> nice, thanks
[02:50] <AkariTakai> Can anyone help me with a USB headset problem?
[02:50] <dorian_> we'll try:)
[02:51] <AkariTakai> I got it to work by itself
[02:51] <AkariTakai> But when I switch back to the mainboard sound
[02:51] <AkariTakai> In KMix
[02:51] <AkariTakai> There was no sound
[02:51] <AkariTakai> When I switched back to the USB device
[02:51] <AkariTakai> There was no sound
[02:51] <AkariTakai> Unplugging the USB device and rebooting also didn't bring back the sound, even though it detected in KMix that it had been removed
[02:51] <niiii> !enter
[02:51] <SnoopyDog> Current weather for  : Temperature: , Pressure: , Wind:
[02:52] <Dr_willis> configure the thing, and select the default location for it to show in the settings tool
[02:52] <dorian_> did you look at the sound preferences in ubuntu Akari?
[02:53] <AkariTakai> I'm running Kubuntu
[02:53]  * SnoopyDog tries to configure it in konsole has no idea how to get a metar code
[02:53] <AkariTakai> I would assume that the KDE manager has different sound preferences than GNOME does
[02:53] <Dr_willis> SnoopyDog,  konsole? I just ran the weather applet and used its menus.
[02:53] <dorian_> it's almost the same if i understand correctly
[02:53] <SnoopyDog> what version are you running Dr_willis
[02:54] <SnoopyDog> 3.5 or 4?
[02:54] <dorian_> its just ubuntu is running with gnome and kubuntu with kde
[02:54] <Dr_willis> im not using kde4.. this isent the kde4 channel. :)
[02:54] <SnoopyDog> oooh
[02:54] <SnoopyDog> that's why
[02:54] <SnoopyDog> its different
[02:54] <Dr_willis> !kde4
[02:54] <SnoopyDog> Sysinfo for 'ryan-desktop': Linux 2.6.24-19-generic running KDE 3.5.9, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)DCPU2.66GHz at 2660 MHz (5320 bogomips), , RAM: 960/1009MB, 126 proc's, 1.4h up
[02:55] <AkariTakai> The Sound System settings aren't very helpful. The only options that seem like they might be helpful are "Override default location" and "Use other custom options" but I wouldn't know what to put in either of those text boxes.
[02:55] <SnoopyDog> hrmm i have 4.0.1 beta 1
[02:55] <SnoopyDog> actually 2
[02:56] <dorian_> is ESD enabled?
[02:57] <AkariTakai> It's set to Autodetect. To be honest, there are several options in there...OSS, ALSA, ESD, etc., I'm not sure that turning off autodetect would be any better for me.
[02:58] <dorian_> no, i tried that one time and wasn't good
[02:58] <niiii> SnoopyDog: if you run kde3 like it says in your sysinfo configure use the gui to config the kweather ... if you use kde4 ask in kde4
[02:58] <AkariTakai> Okay, so you recommend switching to ESD and see if that resolves the problem?
[02:59] <SnoopyDog> i did any they are not answering my questions lols
[02:59] <dorian_> i recommend leaving the alsa option
[03:02] <AkariTakai> Changing to ALSA from Autodetect didn't change anything
[03:02] <AkariTakai> Is there something else that I can try?
[03:02] <SnoopyDog> ok hrmm is there a way to remove KDE 4? lols I'm gonna put in KDE3.5
[03:05] <BluesKaj> SnoopyDog, why not just install kubuntu-desktop, it's kde3
[03:06] <SnoopyDog> already installed kubuntu-desktop for kde 4 so i need to remove kde 4 and put in kde3.5
[03:06] <AkariTakai> Um
[03:06] <AkariTakai> Try
[03:07] <AkariTakai> apt-get remove --purge kde4 kde4-core ?
[03:08] <BluesKaj> I think he installed kwin-kde4
[03:08] <SnoopyDog> i guess so
[03:09] <SnoopyDog> this is where i installed it: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.1beta2.php
[03:12] <SnoopyDog> sigh, i'll figure out how to remove it. ...
[03:17] <ImLiz> Hello all, What does it mean when konsole states that packages cannot be authenticated??? Can I still install them?
[03:20] <BluesKaj> yes it means you are taking a larger risk , but they can still be installed
[03:21] <BluesKaj> sometimes the repos are bit behind in their authentication of non default apps
[03:22] <ImLiz> ah  ok, thanks BluesKaj. I'm trying to install gimp so it shouldn't be a problem right?
[03:22] <BluesKaj> gimp is fine
[03:22] <ImLiz> Thanks much :-)
[03:23] <BluesKaj> ImLiz, np
[03:28] <nrotkis> anyones' sytem freeze when the screensaver turns on?
[03:31] <nrotkis> thanks
[03:38] <tkesler> is there a wine channel?
[03:39] <TEA-TOO> i don't know but i'll drink to that
[03:39] <tkesler> ha ha
[03:40] <BluesKaj> tkesler, try /join #wine and see what comes up
[03:40] <gargoyle76> ya know what I mean
[03:40] <zipper> gargoyle76, #winehq
[03:40] <gargoyle76> k
[03:43] <some_dude> I've added libdvdread3 and libdvdcss2 and a lot more, and still no dvd playback
[03:44] <BluesKaj> some_dude, add kubuntu-restricted-extras too
[03:45] <some_dude> yes, - one k
[03:45] <Dorian_Silviu> kubuntu requires more memory than ubuntu from default?
[03:46] <niiii> Dorian_Silviu: kde does
[03:47] <Dorian_Silviu> kubuntu is using kde
[03:47] <niiii> K(de)buntu
[03:47] <Dorian_Silviu> yes
[03:48] <Dorian_Silviu> but i can uninstall kde and use gnome?
[03:48] <some_dude> yea, but then that's not kubunut anymore
[03:48] <Dorian_Silviu> :D
[03:48] <niiii> than you could use ubuntu straight away
[03:49] <Dorian_Silviu> yea
[03:49] <Dorian_Silviu> tanks for answering
[03:49] <Dorian_Silviu> thanks
[03:49] <some_dude> I use the server myself
[03:49] <niiii> or xbuntu that is even better for low tech computer
[03:50] <some_dude> after the base install I just install x/k/nillubunut-desktop
[03:50] <some_dude> (x/k/nil)ubunut-desktop
[03:50] <some_dude> only spelled right
[03:52] <Dorian_Silviu> so kubuntu is the most demanding in terms of resources, ubuntu is in the middle, xubuntu is for older configurations
[03:52] <some_dude> bash works well on older computers
[03:53] <some_dude> or just X and fluxbox
[04:19] <suwarno> hello
[04:19] <suwarno> all
[04:19] <suwarno> i want askin gfor u all
[04:20] <suwarno> how to install xmms in kubuntu?
[04:20] <Dorian_Silviu> sudo apt-get install ...
[04:20] <Dorian_Silviu> exact name of app?
[04:21] <genii> xmms2
[04:21] <Agent_bob> i got vidio players working finally.
[04:21] <Agent_bob> or correctly.
[04:21] <TEA-TOO> hah
[04:22] <suwarno> i have type ur command , but not package available
[04:23] <Agent_bob> i have one question though   if the opensourse driver is really opensourse why is it in the restricted repos.  and if it's not opensourse why is it called that in the howto ?
[04:23] <genii> !info xmms2
[04:23] <genii> suwarno: Enable universe
[04:23] <Agent_bob> genii make sure what release he's running
[04:23] <genii> Ah, tru
[04:23] <genii> *true
[04:24] <genii> suwarno: You on 8.04 (Hardy), 7.10 (Gutsy)    some other?
[04:25] <suwarno> yes hardy
[04:27] <Agent_bob> eater panic: no spork !
[04:27] <suwarno> geni: kubuntu 8.04 (Hardy)
[04:28] <genii> suwarno: Then:    sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list               then remove the # in front of any lines beginning: #deb     or: #deb-src                      then ctrl-x to exit, putting Y when asked to save and just Enter key whn filename is asked. Then: sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get install xmms2
[04:29]  * genii sips his beer
[04:29] <Agent_bob> too warm for coffee ?
[04:29] <suwarno> ok..i will
[04:30] <genii> Agent_bob: I'm at home and on my own time now :) So coffee at work, beer at home. Generally speaking
[04:30] <Agent_bob> k.
[04:31]  * Agent_bob was more of a "vodka totoler"     but now it's soft drinks water and the like.
[04:31] <genii> mr---t-: Ah, off the game box I see :)
[04:31] <mr---t-> yep
[04:32]  * genii pours Agent_bob a nice glass of distilled water
[04:32] <mr---t-> sh your'e the only one that knows
[04:33]  * genii whistles innocently
[04:33] <Agent_bob> :)
[04:34]  * Agent_bob just found out that he "didn't know" and is mad about it....
[04:34] <genii> heh
[04:34] <Agent_bob> i got the vidio players streightened out,  did i mention that ?
[04:35] <genii> Yes :) Good going
[04:35] <Agent_bob> it was a kernel issue.
[04:35] <genii> You had an -rt kernel?
[04:35] <Agent_bob> was running i386   but with that ati crap it has to be i686 to work right.
[04:35] <genii> Ah
[04:36] <genii> I'll need to remember that (puts notes in his little black book)
[04:36] <suwarno> geni...
[04:36] <Agent_bob> that's on dapper  with ati R200
[04:36] <genii> suwarno: Yes ?
[04:37] <suwarno> all #deb ...have uncomment
[04:37]  * mr---t- remembers stuff like that
[04:37] <suwarno> but still cannot found the files
[04:37] <suwarno> this is error messege
[04:37] <suwarno> root@kubuntu:/home/suwarno# apt-get install xmms
[04:37] <suwarno> Reading package lists... Done
[04:37] <suwarno> Building dependency tree
[04:37] <suwarno> Reading state information... Done
[04:37] <suwarno> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:37] <suwarno> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:37] <suwarno> is only available from another source
[04:37] <suwarno> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[04:37] <genii> !pastebin | suwarno
[04:38]  * Agent_bob cuts another jalapenio into his chili
[04:38] <genii> suwarno: First I should give you a lecture about running as root user. But I don't care to really right now. That aside. The name is xmms2   and not just xmms
[04:39] <lumpycow> "Unable to resolve  cannot read packages/Ubuntu/dists/8.04/control.  Please manua
[04:39] <lumpycow> lly install and try again." what does that mean?
[04:39] <Agent_bob> !root | suwarno
[04:40] <genii> Agent_bob: He already is at a # prompt so I imagine he's far past that point :)
[04:40] <Agent_bob> genii hoping he might read the link though
[04:40] <genii> Yes, true
[04:41] <suwarno> genii: sorry friends...
[04:42] <suwarno> the package...is now installed..
[04:42] <suwarno> thx friend
[04:42] <genii> suwarno: You're welcome. But you should also take heed of the warnings against running as root. It's for your own benefit
[04:46] <suwarno> genii: how to running the xmms2?
[04:47] <Agent_bob> i have made the mistake of not looking at the prompt closely enough so many times now that i set all .bashrc  with a colour prompt when you are via ssh   (thus probably not local)   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=da1b65e4
[04:47] <suwarno> have xmms2 not GUI application?
[04:48] <suwarno> are we need the plugin?
[04:49] <niiii_> "GOOGLE" is a search engine that comes in handy when you are looking for answers :) --- or is is your google-button broken? ---:: use your own browser ::---
[04:50] <Agent_bob> suwarno generally speaking any non-gui app will have a manual page that you can access via the man command.  "man man"    and any gui app will have a menu entry.    note* some menu itoms are hiden by default.
[04:51] <Agent_bob> there is also the info command
[04:51] <Agent_bob> and kdocs
[04:54] <ComaWhite> im trying to install this deb file i downloaded. how do I install it?
[04:55] <Agent_bob> why ?
[04:55] <ComaWhite> because I want the package?
[04:55] <ComaWhite> library*
[04:55] <Agent_bob> is it not in the repos ?
[04:55] <ComaWhite> pfft no
[04:55] <genii> suwarno: I don't use xmms so don't know offhand. Probably if you put in Konsole:    xmms2 --help      hyou may get some informative result. Or else:    man xmms2
[04:55] <ComaWhite> Agent_bob, trying to install nVidia Physx
[04:55] <genii> ComaWhite: sudo dpkg -i name.deb
[04:55] <ComaWhite> thanks
[04:56] <Agent_bob> ComaWhite ok.  but we wont support breakage on things not in the repos.
[04:56] <ComaWhite> it's fine
[04:56] <Agent_bob> k genii answered you how.
[04:59] <genii> lumpycow: Google tells me your issue seems related to trying to install the ati driver manually. Yes?
[04:59] <lumpycow> yeah
[05:00] <genii> lumpycow: Use bash instead of sh
[05:00] <lumpycow> hmm k, ill attempt a try... XD
[05:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> does ubuntu still link sh to dash by default?
[05:01] <genii> Daisuke_Laptop: Yes
[05:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's one of the first things i change -_-
[05:01] <genii> Yes its a PITA
[05:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> i understand the reasons behind it
[05:01] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Laptop i just fix the scripts.  ;/
[05:02] <Agent_bob> i man have /bin/bash linked to something...
[05:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> Agent_bob: my big issue is with something like loki's installers
[05:02] <Agent_bob> hmmm i do.
[05:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> script + binary component
[05:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> but i agree, changing to #!/bin/bash is the smartest way to do it
[05:03] <Agent_bob> yeah.  just changing /bin/sh will work around that.  but the thing is.  it's a bug that they should fix in their own script.
[05:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> Agent_bob: i agree
[05:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> but UT hasn't seen an update in years
[05:04] <genii> lumpycow: Also use   Ubuntu/hardy     and not something like  Ubuntu/8.04
[05:04] <genii> or 8.10 or so
[05:05] <genii> Hmm. Beer seems to be kicking in finally. That and the Advils
[05:05] <lumpycow> it still fails if I use Ubuntu/hard....
[05:05] <genii> lumpycow: Please put here exactly what you are typing in for the command
[05:06] <genii> BRB
[05:06] <lumpycow> sudo bash ./ati-driver-installer-8-6-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/hardy
[05:09] <genii> omit the ./ part
[05:10] <Agent_bob> genii does the script care about that?  cause bash doesn't.
[05:10] <lumpycow> gave the same error
[05:11] <genii> Agent_bob: I'm going from the reference at http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Manual_Method_.28installing_Catalyst_8.6.29
[05:11] <Agent_bob> yeah.   just saying. ;/
[05:11] <pushnell_> Hey all.  Is beta 2 usable yet?
[05:11] <Agent_bob> lumpycow what is the exact error message ?
[05:12] <lumpycow> Generating package: Ubuntu/hardy
[05:12] <lumpycow> Package build failed!
[05:12] <genii> lumpycow: That site suggests for pr-requisites to do:   sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot dh-make debhelper debconf libstdc++5 dkms linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:12] <lumpycow> ill try that site yet...
[05:12] <genii> lumpycow: Perhaps try that and then re-do the command
[05:13] <genii> I know I had to use bash instead of sh previously on those ati drivers
[05:13] <genii> Likely you don't have debhelper installed
[05:14] <Agent_bob> or b-e maybe
[05:14] <genii> Yes
[05:15] <Agent_bob> but i must agree that the error would indicate more of a missing command than a script error
[05:16] <Agent_bob> people writing scripts should use more   which blah && blah something      insted of just assuming that the commands will all be there
[05:18] <genii> Agent_bob: I actually went in with hexedit to that ati installer before and tried to edit it. But it has some tricky self-checking md5 sum arrangement
[05:18] <Agent_bob> and assuming path is not good either.  if [ -x /usr/bin/blah ] ;then blah something ;fi    <-- assumes path and it might be in /usr/local/bin for that distro/package_version/release...
[05:18] <ComaWhite> hmm how can I update fstab? Do I do it manually or does kubuntu have a tool for it?
[05:18] <flaccid> !fstab | ComaWhite
[05:18] <flaccid> ComaWhite: disks and filesystems in system settings
[05:18] <ComaWhite> i know what an fstab it
[05:19] <ComaWhite> is*
[05:19] <genii> ComaWhite: manually is the best option usually
[05:19] <Agent_bob> ComaWhite there is a tool but i agree that manual is best if you know what you are doing.
[05:20] <genii> The disks and filesystems utility sometimes inserts weird random code into it.
[05:20] <suwarno> hello..alll
[05:20] <suwarno> help me..
[05:20] <lumpycow> does it matter if what folder I build the debs in... such as home/src/fglrx ?
[05:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> i much prefer the manual method, the utility is junk (and i'm being kind)
[05:20] <genii> lumpycow: Not at all. Since installing them is the thing which really makes them work
[05:20] <Agent_bob> lumpycow it may.   yes.   try /usr/src/fglrx
[05:21] <genii> Agent_bob: Really?
[05:21] <Agent_bob> genii but the build may "assume" path    see above
[05:21] <genii> Only badly built debs would use some stupid relative-path scheme
[05:22] <Agent_bob> genii i agree.  but this is building a deb   is it not?    and thus the build process may expect to be in the /usr/src dir
[05:23] <ComaWhite> well i did it myself ^_^
[05:23] <tim> undernet
[05:23] <Agent_bob> suwarno did you ever get xmms2 working correctly ?
[05:24] <ComaWhite> isn't xmms2 old and abadoned?
[05:24] <Agent_bob> !info xmms2
[05:26] <ComaWhite> !info kde
[05:26] <genii> ComaWhite: Apparently not
[05:26] <Agent_bob> 56k installed size  </blinks>  maybe it doesn't have a man page.
[05:26] <ComaWhite> genii, well when I was using gentoo they removed it because of that
[05:26]  * ComaWhite shrugs
[05:27] <Agent_bob> ComaWhite you sure you aren't thinking of xmms ?
[05:27] <Agent_bob> !info xmms
[05:27]  * ComaWhite scratches head
[05:27] <ComaWhite> !info glew
[05:27] <ComaWhite> o_O
[05:27]  * genii nads ComaWhite the Kwellada lotion
[05:28] <ComaWhite> wtf
[05:28] <genii> *hands
[05:28] <genii> hehe
[05:28] <ComaWhite> dork
[05:28] <ComaWhite> :P
[05:28] <ComaWhite> wheres glew at
[05:29] <jorge_> hi, what is suse channel?
[05:29] <ComaWhite> wtf
[05:29] <Agent_bob> !find glew
[05:29] <ComaWhite> thanks
[05:29] <Agent_bob> ComaWhite try  glew-utils
[05:30] <ComaWhite> =)
[05:30] <genii> jorge_: Not here
[05:30] <Agent_bob> jorge_ maybe #opensuse ?   or maybe #SuSe  ?
[05:30] <genii> /j #suse
[05:34] <Agent_bob> what's a good vidio format ?
[05:34] <suwarno> hello all
[05:34] <Agent_bob> and a util to convert .vob to $it ?
[05:34] <jorge_> kubu tu in spanis please ;d
[05:34] <genii> !info devede
[05:34] <lumpycow> http://pastebin.ca/1056202
[05:34] <Agent_bob> !es | jorge_
[05:34] <suwarno> if we have problem in compiler C, what packages that we nned to install?
[05:35] <lumpycow> that is the bottom part of the error output I am getting
[05:35] <jorge_> thanks
[05:35] <suwarno> in Linux kubuntu 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:35] <genii> jorge_: Also #ubuntu-br  por Brasil
[05:36] <genii> Canadian pastebin seems to be timing out
[05:37] <suwarno> if we have problem in compiler C, what packages that we nned to install? in kubuntu??
[05:37] <lumpycow> http://pastebin.com/d2df7984c
[05:37] <genii> lumpycow: Never seen those results before
[05:38] <lumpycow> heh...
[05:38] <lumpycow> does it mean anything in particular?
[05:39] <genii> lumpycow: I'd suggest to follow http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Manual_Method_.28installing_Catalyst_8.6.29    only change is to use bash where they have just sh
[05:40] <Agent_bob> line five is a clue   LD_LIBRARY_PATH   not sure i can fix that though
[05:40] <genii> Agent_bob: Me either
[05:41] <genii> lumpycow: You have 32 bit install or 64 bit install (of Kubuntu) ?
[05:41] <lumpycow> well... it is the 64
[05:42] <genii> lumpycow: They suggest then there to install the ia32-libs
[05:42] <Agent_bob> !info ia32-libs
[05:42] <Agent_bob> !info ia32-lib
[05:42] <genii> Hmm
[05:42] <Agent_bob> !find ia32
[05:43] <inteliwasp> how can i rebuil grub with the current kernels installed listed?
[05:43] <genii> Hmm
[05:43] <Agent_bob> the bot could turncate at 10 as easily as 5    pfft
[05:44] <inteliwasp> rebuild*
[05:44] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp grub-install /dev/sda   #or what ever device
[05:44] <Agent_bob> wait
[05:45] <Agent_bob> you have to move /boot/grub/menu.lst out of it's home first i think
[05:45] <inteliwasp> or rename it...
[05:45] <ComaWhite> !find etqw
[05:45] <Agent_bob> yeah
[05:45] <genii> lumpycow: If you do: apt-cache search ia32-libs            is there some result?
[05:46] <ComaWhite> !find nexiuz
[05:46] <lumpycow> well adept manager says that I have the ia32-lib package installed
[05:46] <ComaWhite> blah
[05:46] <genii> heh
[05:46] <suwarno> geniii
[05:46] <suwarno> if we have problem in compiler C, what packages that we nned to install? in kubuntu??
[05:46] <genii> lumpycow: I'm outta immediate ideas on it then
[05:47] <genii> suwarno: build-essentials
[05:47] <lumpycow> ok... ill try another day XD thanks for the help...
[05:47] <inteliwasp> Agent_bob:  what about update-grub?
[05:47] <suwarno> still need dependeciess
[05:47] <Agent_bob> !b-e | suwarno
[05:47] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp doesn't rebuild grub  but should update the menu.lst  if that's all you need.
[05:48] <genii> suwarno: What are you trying to compile? There may be a package already
[05:48] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp i try to answer peoples questions,  even if i notice that they are not asking what the probably really want.
[05:48] <inteliwasp> Agent_bob:  yes becuse i modified the menu and now the new kernels are not listed...
[05:49] <genii> Ah. User error
[05:50] <suwarno> this is xmms-1.2.11.tar.gz
[05:50]  * Agent_bob likes to think of it as "not assuming"  rather than being a "smart ***"
[05:51] <inteliwasp> well i noticed the update-grub in the man pages
[05:51] <genii> suwarno: I simply do not understand your fascination with xmms. Is there some reason you need this specific program?
[05:51] <inteliwasp> all i need is to fix the menu
[05:52] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp cool,  you found a more dirrect answer, because you had more knowledge of your situation.    both ways do get there though :)
[05:52] <suwarno> yes...for analys the music
[05:52] <ComaWhite> !find aclocal
[05:53] <inteliwasp> Agent_bob:  altho it did not put in the newer kernels but it did see them
[05:53] <inteliwasp> should i rm the menu and re run?
[05:53] <Agent_bob> number of kernels set too low ?
[05:54] <inteliwasp> no it does not make any changes
[05:54] <Agent_bob> the commented out section of the menu.lst can set how many kernels it presents
[05:54] <inteliwasp> ... checking
[05:54] <Agent_bob> genii you a grub user ?    i don't even have grub.   and this may get sticky.
[05:55]  * Agent_bob looks around for a box that has grub on it....
[05:55] <genii> Agent_bob: Yeah grub here. Although I'm in no state for mission-critical atm
[05:56] <Agent_bob> genii understood.
[05:57] <inteliwasp> i think i found the problem, let me pasebin it
[05:58] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3b809489
[05:58] <walvis> hello. I have just installed kubuntu 8.04 but don't have wireless support. i have an intel chipset. i have already installed linux-restricted-modules. next step??
[05:58] <Agent_bob> that's the section of menu.lst i was refering to
[05:59] <inteliwasp> that part is ok
[05:59] <Agent_bob> k what's your paste ?
[06:00] <genii> inteliwasp: You have dual boot or just linux on hd?
[06:00] <inteliwasp> genii:  linux only
[06:01] <inteliwasp> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=m86eda0f    look at line 120
[06:01]  * Agent_bob wonders about writing the kernel to mbr ....
[06:01] <genii> inteliwasp: If you know your UUID you couold use mine as an example: http://pastebin.ca/1056209
[06:03] <genii> walvis: What does in Konsole the command: lspci | grep Ethernet                          report?
[06:03] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp are you saying that your new list 1. "does not list the new kerenels at all"   or 2. "lists them but the default is the older one"    3. "i have no clue what you are on about" ?
[06:03] <Agent_bob> i'm only seeing one kernel in what you posted
[06:04] <Agent_bob> and the line "120" should not affect that.
[06:04] <inteliwasp> when update-grub runs, it says it sees the kernels and lists them but they are not put on the list
[06:04] <genii> Agent_bob: I think thats his issue. He wants all of them listed. But they aren't
[06:04] <walvis> genii: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[06:04] <inteliwasp> yes
[06:04] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp pastebin    ls /boot
[06:05] <inteliwasp> it shows the default kernel and not the new updated ones
[06:05] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp  ok   what about    ls /lib/modules/    ?
[06:06]  * Agent_bob is starting to think that he only updated the running kernel and didn't install a new one.
[06:06] <inteliwasp> ... oh when the first few times it tried to update the kernel on adept it asked me what to do about the difrent file for menu.lst
[06:06] <inteliwasp> but not on the last one
[06:06] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp  ok   what about    ls /lib/modules/    ?
[06:07] <inteliwasp> ok 1 sec
[06:07] <genii> walvis: Does command:    lsmod | grep e1000                report anything or only return to a prompt? If it has some result you don't need to post it, just say if it ppears anywhere or no.
[06:07] <inteliwasp> 2.6.24-16-generic  2.6.24-17-generic  2.6.24-18-generic  2.6.24-19-generic
[06:07] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp and     ls /boot
[06:08] <walvis> genii: it does produce a result
[06:09] <genii> inteliwasp: sudo update-grub
[06:09] <inteliwasp> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d2915ae0
[06:09] <ok> hallo
[06:09] <inteliwasp> genii:  i run that but nothing happens
[06:10]  * inteliwasp makes note to buy a mouse for laptop
[06:11] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d2d6d5c04
[06:11] <genii> walvis: Try:     sudo modprobe -r e1000;modprobe e1000
[06:12] <genii> AFK
[06:13] <inteliwasp> Agent_bob:  will this make it go back to normal on the next kernel update?
[06:15] <inteliwasp> afk, need to get a beverage ;)
[06:15] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp that's  a usable menu.lst     i did make one mistake.  -18 is a recovery mode... sorry my bad.          but i'm not seeing any reason that your menu.lst doesn't automaticly update.   it could be a bug in the shell script "update-grub"      but the short answer is "no" that wont "fix" it.
[06:15] <grendal_prime> my trashcan is gone
[06:16] <grendal_prime> how do i get it back?
[06:16] <Agent_bob> grendal_prime is it in  ~/.local/*
[06:16] <Agent_bob> grendal_prime probably right click add applet
[06:17] <genii> Hmm. I wonder if his menu.lst has some weird rwx settings
[06:17] <Agent_bob> genii i think inteliwasp moved the origenal  and ran  update-grub   if so then no.
[06:18] <Agent_bob> genii broken sudo maybe ?
[06:18] <Agent_bob> probably not
[06:18] <genii> Probably not
[06:18] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp  sudo echo boo  # to confirm that sudo is not broken.
[06:19] <MaskedOne> So I have one .mp3 song that makes Amarok say it has no mp3 playing capability do I want to install capability, I say yes and nothing happens. Yet my other mp3's play fine?
[06:19] <walvis> genii: FATAL: Module e1000:modprobe not found.
[06:19] <genii> inteliwasp: Your username is the one you made during nstall or one made afterwards?
[06:20] <Agent_bob> !freeformats | MaskedOne
[06:21] <genii> walvis: Ah, i see my error. No sudo in front of second command
[06:21] <genii> walvis: Try:   sudo modprobe e1000
[06:22] <inteliwasp> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   4255 2008-06-26 00:51 menu.lst
[06:22] <inteliwasp> only one username
[06:22] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp  sudo echo boo  # to confirm that sudo is not broken.
[06:23] <inteliwasp> it worked
[06:23] <genii> inteliwasp: Yeah that looks normal. If username made on install then has sudo rights by default also
[06:23] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp i'm just looking for a reason that the update might fail.
[06:23] <walvis> genii: nothing, just another prompt
[06:23] <inteliwasp> could it be from adept?
[06:24] <br> Hi, on my kubuntu 8.04 if I set jpeg files to open with the gwenview image viewer even html files open with it. Similarly if I set up html files to open with a web browser jpeg files start opening with the web browser too.
[06:24] <genii> walvis: "nothing" means success. It only says things when there's a problem like the concept of "no news is good news"
[06:24] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp well the root of the issue could be in a package.  but the script 'update-grub' should work anyway.
[06:24] <inteliwasp> reinstall grub?
[06:25] <genii> walvis: Do you see network icon in bottom right of screen?
[06:25] <walvis> genii": yes. my wired network is working perfectly
[06:25] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp why not try my first answer and see if it "fixes" it.    sudo mv /boot/grub/menu.lst ~ ;sudo grub-install /dev/#your device here#
[06:26] <walvis> genii: it also recognises the fact that it is a 82573l gigabit ethernet controller
[06:26] <walvis> and it is running on eth0
[06:26] <inteliwasp> when you mean device you mean my hdd?
[06:26] <walvis> let me see if i have an eth1
[06:26] <Agent_bob> if you don't know the device the mbr is on   sudo fdisk -l
[06:26] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp yes.
[06:27] <genii> walvis: Ok. So driver is installed and assigning an ethX . What exactly then is not working with it?
[06:27] <Agent_bob> inteliwasp i say #your device#  because i don't know if it's   hda hdb hdc hdd sda sdb .... you get the point.
[06:27] <walvis> well eth0 is the wired network, which i am connected to now and talkign to you. what is not working is the wireless
[06:28] <genii> walvis: Is it built in to your motherboard or some usb or pcmcia adapter?
[06:28] <walvis> built in
[06:28] <walvis> it has worked in kubuntu 6
[06:29] <walvis> didnt work in 7
[06:29] <walvis> but in 7 i couldnt even get the wired to work.
[06:29] <walvis> do i need something from intel perhaps?
[06:29] <jorge__> please kubuntu spanish?
[06:29] <walvis> i'll go lurk at the intel site
[06:29] <mr---t-> !es
[06:30] <genii> walvis: Please use pastebin to put results of commands:  lspci -nn                     and: lsusb
[06:30] <intelikey> -nn ????
[06:30] <walvis> should i sudo those?
[06:30] <intelikey> genii you are working from that weird howto again...
[06:31] <intelikey> not needed walvis
[06:31] <genii> intelikey: Nah. that will give the vendor:device code which is useful
[06:31] <inteliwasp> ok now it is back to normal without my mods
[06:31] <walvis> chers
[06:31] <intelikey> genii this is useful to you ?  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4fa86161
[06:32] <Bennie> hello, how do I autologin in kubuntu?
[06:32] <genii> intelikey: Thats only -n   -nn gives names plus vendor:device
[06:32] <walvis> ok, so ive pasted it into pastebin, how do you see it?
[06:32] <intelikey> inteliwasp that's what you want ?
[06:32] <walvis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23029/
[06:32] <intelikey> genii that was lspci -nn
[06:32]  * genii smacks intelikey
[06:32] <walvis> thanks guys
[06:32] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@dell:~] lspci -nn | pastebin
[06:33] <intelikey> reading standard input
[06:33] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4fa86161
[06:33] <walvis> i've learnt about -n and -nn from you two now!
[06:33] <inteliwasp> intelikey: i'm sorry? i dont follow
[06:33] <niiii> Bennie: alt+f2 kcontrol --> login manager last tab
[06:33] <inteliwasp> oh i missed your name change
[06:34] <intelikey> inteliwasp it's fixed ?    or back to step one ?
[06:34] <Bennie> niiii: oh, thanks. didn't know about kcontrol! thank you!!!
[06:34] <inteliwasp> your step removed the menu and reset grub but i had to run update-grub to get the new menu
[06:35] <intelikey> inteliwasp and all is well now or no ?
[06:35] <inteliwasp> it shuld be, i'll know on the next update
[06:36] <intelikey> inteliwasp cool.     welcome.
[06:36] <inteliwasp> thanks
[06:36] <intelikey> :)
[06:36] <genii> walvis: Anytime for the pastebin output there
[06:37] <walvis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23029/
[06:37] <genii> Got it
[06:37] <genii> Ah, one of those 3945ABG
[06:38] <walvis> genii: an epiphany?
[06:38] <intelikey> lines 17 and 18 tell the story
[06:39] <kronoman> hello
[06:39] <kronoman> I have a problem
[06:39] <genii> walvis: Does:   lsmod | grep iwl3945               report anything?
[06:39] <kronoman> I have a 2 gb pen drive, I followed the instructions to make a live pen drive
[06:39] <kronoman> but now the pen drive reports that is 7 gb big, and I can't install the boot
[06:39] <kronoman> because it says the sectors are too big > 512
[06:39] <kronoman> what I did was format the pen drive to FAT16
[06:40] <intelikey> heh   lspci -tv    # is useful on my version of lspci
[06:40] <niiii> kronoman: followd what instructions ...
[06:41] <walvis> somethings wrong with that command
[06:41] <walvis> Usage: lsmod
[06:41] <walvis> bash: iwl3945: command not found
[06:41] <kronoman> the ones in the kubuntu wiki to make live usb
[06:41] <genii> bash??
[06:41] <walvis> am i using the wrong shell?
[06:41] <kronoman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[06:42] <genii> walvis: Copy and paste:   lsmod | grep iwl3945               into Konsole to avoid typos (except of course my own)
[06:42] <niiii> hmm kronoman let me read ... www.pendrivelinux.com <--- thats what i use and it works
[06:42] <intelikey> genii he left out the grep or has an ; in the wrong place
[06:42] <genii> intelikey: Hence my current direction
[06:42] <kronoman> the thing is, I tried to install kubuntu on gf computer , but the CD had a read error
[06:42] <kronoman> so now she is without computer and wants to kill me
[06:42] <intelikey> genii yes.
[06:42] <kronoman> so I need a install pendrive fast
[06:43] <kronoman> like before tomorrow
[06:43] <walvis> it worked. i wonder what my typo was
[06:43] <walvis> iwl3945                89844  0
[06:43] <walvis> iwlwifi_mac80211      219108  1 iwl3945
[06:43] <intelikey> walvis up arrow will show it
[06:43] <genii> walvis: OK. So it appears the driver is installed for that as well
[06:44] <walvis> interesting
[06:44] <poon> can anyone read this?
[06:44] <intelikey> poon no.
[06:44] <poon> lol
[06:44] <walvis> so really, my wireless should be working then
[06:44] <poon> i'm new to freenode
[06:44] <genii> walvis: When you right-click on network icon do you get a list of wireless networks?
[06:44] <poon> it was saying i couldnt join, after i was already in here
[06:44] <intelikey> !hello | poon
[06:44] <poon> registered only..
[06:44] <poon> thank ya
[06:44] <poon> anyways
[06:44] <poon> on to the question
[06:45] <poon> does anyone have experience with the program 'screen'?
[06:45] <poon> i need a bit of help
[06:45] <poon> :/
[06:45] <intelikey> !enter | poon , not being mean; but
[06:45] <poon> apologies.
[06:45] <genii> I'm tempted to say "man screen"
[06:45] <poon> well i've done that, it seems like i'm doing it right, truth be told i've been messing around withthis for just shy of 2 hours.
[06:46] <intelikey> poon many do.  do you have a real question yet ?   or are you still gathering information :)
[06:46] <poon> sorry, lol.. okay.
[06:46]  * genii hands stdin_ a coffee
[06:46] <poon> screen -ls returns: There are screens on: 7134.eternal (Detached)
[06:47] <genii> stdin_: Yu may need Advil as well ;(
[06:47] <walvis> genii: so i've gone into netwrok settings and the wireless shows up as wlan01
[06:47] <poon> when i try to: screen -R 7134.eternal it gives me "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/tty2' - please check.
[06:47] <niiii> kronoman: it is impossible to say what went wrong ... i would start all over again with the wiki or use the pendrivelinux.com one ...
[06:47] <genii> walvis: Good. Does it show any networks around?
[06:48] <poon> screen -x returns the same. i'm trying to use it to show someone how to do something via ssh.
[06:48] <intelikey> poon detaching and reattching a remote terminal ?
[06:48] <walvis> no, it shows under eth0 in the list, but there is ni IP address next to it, how do i look for wireless networks?
[06:49] <eagles0513875> !wifi | walvis
[06:49] <poon> well actually its not remote, the guy is one of my clients he's in my server box, trying to show him how to do something.
[06:49] <eagles0513875> !info wifi
[06:49] <walvis> !wifi
[06:49] <eagles0513875> bots borke
[06:49] <eagles0513875> d
[06:49] <kronoman> there is any posibility that the pendrive is actually 7 gb instead of 2 gb?
[06:49] <poon> as i mentioned.. but yeah i'm j ust trying to have it so we both see the same thing on our monitors
[06:49] <niiii> kronoman: i just installed a special debian on a 2 gb stick using the howto form pendrivelinux worked for me ... and you might want to check the md5 form your iso
[06:50] <kronoman> like the maker ships all the same memory chips, but formats in different sizes?
[06:50] <kronoman> niiii: I'm checking that site, pretty cool
[06:50] <genii> walvis: Normally, right-clicking on the network icon will immediately show you a list. Unless you have some /etc/network/interfaces entry for it in which case netwrok manager assumes it is manually configured. Or if you have wireless disabled in that same popup
[06:50] <kronoman> niiii: my md5 iso is ok, I screwed some format command
[06:50] <kronoman> I guess that my myshap was making the file system on the pendrive
[06:50] <kronoman> btw, this is a mp3 player also
[06:50] <kronoman> a 2gb pendrive mp3
[06:50] <intelikey> poon i'm not one to blow the whistle but you might need to ask in some channel like #whitehats  or ##blackhats   some hackers network like irc.efnet.net maybe.
[06:51] <poon> ok, thanks man.
[06:52] <Agent_bob> poon ##linux "might" field that question,  if you word it in a non-illeagle-ish way  :)
[06:52] <genii> walvis: I have to sleep. It's almost 2am here and work starts in 7 hours
[06:52] <poon> is it illegal?
[06:53] <Agent_bob> only if you are teaching him to evese drop
[06:53] <Agent_bob> and it kinda sounds like you are.
[06:53] <genii> walvis: I'll be online again at that time if you have not resolved the issue by then and are awake
[06:53] <poon> nonono... i'm on his username, i'm' trying to attach myself to a screen session he's started so i can walk him through setting up the IRCd i'm running for him step by step
[06:54] <poon> :/
[06:54] <Agent_bob> poon ok.   well better to ask in ##linux still.   i have to do my job and i don't need extra work...  ;/
[06:55] <poon> sure thing man, just dont want a nasty reputation second time in here
[06:57] <kronoman> oh crap
[06:57] <kronoman> what does this mean : WARNING: Not enough clusters for a 16 bit FAT! The filesystem will be misinterpreted as having a 12 bit FAT without mount option "fat=16".
[06:57] <kronoman> mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system
[06:57] <kronoman> I'm running :  # mkfs.vfat -F 16 -n ubuntu8 /dev/sda1
[06:59] <Agent_bob> kronoman sounds like the partition table may be hosed.    sudo cfdisk /dev/sda
[06:59] <Agent_bob> rebuild it.
[07:00] <kronoman> I'm trying to format a 2 GB pendrive to install a live ubuntu cd on it
[07:00] <Agent_bob> i know.
[07:00] <kronoman> following a tutorial, but seems that my pendrive is pretty crappy
[07:00] <Agent_bob> see above   ^
[07:01] <kronoman> mmm, cfdisk shows wrong the size
[07:01]  * Agent_bob takes crappy pin-drive and does  cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda    then starts over with clean slate.
[07:01] <kronoman> fdisk shows it properly
[07:02] <Agent_bob> kronoman then the partition table is the issue.
[07:02] <kronoman> my main problem is that I fck up my gf computer previously
[07:02] <kronoman> like I need to solve this tonight or die trying
[07:02] <kronoman> today my karma is bitting me in the back, I burned my hand cooking too
[07:03]  * Agent_bob doesn't have karma.   it's too fickle for me.
[07:03] <kronoman> murphy?
[07:03] <kronoman> god? jesus? harley davidson? sponge bob?
[07:03] <kronoman> someone hates me
[07:03] <Agent_bob> maybe satan ?
[07:05] <kronoman> satan slaves m.c
[07:05] <kronoman> seems to be working now, just unplugged and plugged again
[07:05] <kronoman> plug 'n pray
[07:05] <Agent_bob> "plug & get mad"
[07:05] <kronoman> ouch
[07:05] <kronoman> syslinux -sf /dev/sda1 ---> syslinux: only 512-byte sectors are supported
[07:05] <kronoman> wtf
[07:06] <kronoman> any way to do this with grub and don't be tied to fat 16?
[07:07] <Agent_bob> grub ???  maybe.   but lilo could.
[07:07] <Agent_bob> lilo will boot almost anuthing.
[07:08] <Agent_bob> lilo can boot my ink pen
[07:08] <Agent_bob> :)
[07:09] <kronoman> any tut about using lilo instead of syslinux ?
[07:09] <Agent_bob> that i don't know.
[07:10] <Agent_bob> i'll have to install lilo on my usb stick to see what all is involved.
[07:10] <Agent_bob> i haven't because my box doesn't boot from usb
[07:12] <Agent_bob> just put the map file on the usb stick, and point to the kernel/initramfs pair on the usb stick,  and install lilo (mbr) to the usb stick      should be all there is to it.
[07:14] <Agent_bob> i'll explain that a little more clearly.    in your /etc/lilo.conf you set the map=/mount/point/of/your/usb/stick  and then the entry for the kernel and so forth in the same file need to be on the stick  then the boot=/dev/sda   will put the mbr on the stick    when it's all edited correctly just issue "lilo" command and it will do the rest.
[07:15] <Agent_bob> or tell you why it can't.    of course.
[07:17] <Agent_bob> lilo reads block addresses rather than file systems   so it doesn't even need a partition to boot.   all it needs is a static block address to load/boot
[07:17]  * Agent_bob stops talking to his self now...
[07:26] <kronoman> oh crap, fdisk says the sector size for my pendrive is 2048, not 512 as syslinux needs
[07:26] <kronoman> I must read a couple man pages and let my brain settle this lilo mess
[07:27] <kronoman> I touch the etc lilo.con of my hard disk or the one in the usb stick?
[07:27] <kronoman> what file system do I give to the usb stick, ext3 ?
[07:28] <_2> your installed and running system    and the fs is up to you.
[07:28] <kronoman> but that will not fck up my system ?
[07:28] <kronoman> I want this pendrive to install a kubuntu on a machine that does not has OS at all
[07:28] <kronoman> not to install on mine
[07:28] <_2> i.e.  /etc/lilo.conf  tells lilo what to do when you execute "lilo"
[07:29] <_2> if you set /etc/lilo.conf as mentioned above,   it will install the mbr on the sda
[07:29] <kronoman> ah ok,
[07:30] <kronoman> and then I just put the contents of the kubuntu CD on the pendrive like other tuts say ?
[07:30] <_2> yep.   and point at the kernel and initramfs pair that you put on the stick   yes.
[07:35] <kronoman> cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda should clean the pendrive right_
[07:35] <kronoman> I think I need to start over, I missed some commands
[07:36] <_2> right.   it will write the null char to ever sector
[07:36] <kronoman> the cat will end or I should ctr+c
[07:36] <kronoman> I mean, it will run forever ?
[07:36] <_2> it will end
[07:36] <_2> the drive will only hold so much of nothing....
[07:36] <kronoman> is like taking too long
[07:37] <_2> probably not.
[07:37] <_2> give it 5 minutes
[07:38] <_2> unless you are on a usb1.* bus   then give it 35/40 minutes
[07:38] <kronoman> ok
[07:47] <lsemple> anyone know how to get audacity to record the output of amarok ? right now it doesnt even see anything, do I have to plug the output at the back to the line in or something ?
[07:48] <flaccid> lsemple: goto kmix and input and select the playback or capture as recording source iirc
[07:48] <_2> lsemple select the output device as your recording device
[07:48] <_2> audacity has dirrect selection on it's face
[07:48] <_2> button near the middle
[07:48] <_2> top that is.
[07:49] <flaccid> _2: hmm what does the button look like?
[07:49] <lsemple> yeah I cant see that button
[07:50] <_2> let me look.    and remember im on dapper
[07:50] <flaccid> np
[07:51] <flaccid> ah i see the device toolbar is hidden by default in my version
[07:51] <_2> have to install to look.  this will take a while     clogged pipe.
[07:51] <flaccid> thats heaps cool!
[07:51] <flaccid> lsemple: goto view | toolsbars and enable device toolbar then you can change input dev
[07:52] <_2> ah ha   save me the trouble  :)
[07:52] <flaccid> hehe i was quite curious :o
[07:52] <lsemple> ok input is already set to alsa:default
[07:52] <_2> :)
[07:53] <flaccid> depending on driver you might need to select hw 0,0
[07:54]  * _2 uses dsp 
[07:54] <flaccid> oss ?
[07:55] <lsemple> alsa
[07:55] <lsemple> hmm yeah this is hard to do
[07:55] <flaccid> lsemple: worst case if you don't know which one, try em all heh
[07:55] <flaccid> im going to hook jack up to this thing i reckon
[07:55] <_2> but it records every sound that way   even kde sounds
[07:55] <lsemple> I've done that, and i've also turned up every input
[07:56] <_2> glass breaking in the middle of a song would not be Kewl
[07:56] <flaccid> could be a switch or input in kmix
[07:57] <_2> yeah had to compile oss for one particular system     errr could have built new alsa drivers if i had known enough about it...
[07:57] <lsemple> yeah I am checking those switches, they are all on too
[07:58] <flaccid> one on could be preventing but hey this stuff confuses me too
[07:59] <kronoman> mmm, y pendrive is still getting zeores
[08:00] <kronoman> *zeroes
[08:00] <kronoman> is this normal
[08:00] <_2> lsemple   konsole   alsamixer      select the psm and hit the space bar  ?
[08:00] <flaccid> probably
[08:00] <Shirakawasuna> I've just switched to kubuntu from ubuntu (huge switch, I know), but it seems my laptop won't suspend unless gnome-power-manager is running.  What's the kubuntu power manager/its settings?
[08:00] <Shirakawasuna> I can't seem to figure it out for 'guidance'
[08:00] <_2> kronoman sounds like it's on a usb1.*
[08:00] <lsemple> ahh well Im sure I can get it
[08:04] <_2> !suspend
[08:04] <_2> !hybernate
[08:05] <Shirakawasuna> *poke poke*
[08:08] <_2> flaccid my vidio problem was the kernel.   dapper with   ati R200 using the "opensourse" "restricted" driver has to have i686 not i386 kernel     anyway all working propper now.
[08:08] <Shirakawasuna> how do I change the settings for guidance?
[08:09] <flaccid> hmm thats confusing but ok
[08:09] <flaccid> Shirakawasuna: left click the icon in system tray
[08:10] <flaccid> not that guidance is reliable heh
[08:11] <Shirakawasuna> flaccid: ahh, that was easy ;)
[08:11] <Shirakawasuna> flaccid: I suppose I should've tried that before :D.  Thanks
[08:11] <flaccid> np
[08:14] <Shirakawasuna> can I install all the gnome-centric utilities if necessary after removing the main gnome ubuntu stuff?
[08:15] <_2> Shirakawasuna you can install anything in the repos.  and many things that arent.
[08:15] <_2> !packages
[08:16] <Shirakawasuna> noice
[08:16] <Shirakawasuna> Now I need to go figure out how ubuntu deals w/ dependencies...
[08:16] <Shirakawasuna> in terms of removing packages
[08:18] <_2> !info deborphan
[08:19] <Shirakawasuna> libraries?
[08:19] <Shirakawasuna> does it apply to essentially any package, or is the description precise?
[08:20] <Shirakawasuna> I'm mostly just trying to figure out what the difference between 'purge' or 'mark for complete removal' and the 'normal' thing is ;)
[08:20] <Shirakawasuna> and why a bunch of apparent dependencies stick around after I remove a package
[08:20] <Shirakawasuna> like kde4 stuff
[08:21] <_2> !info debfoster | apt-cache show debfoster # for details
[08:21] <Shirakawasuna> hmm, I don't get it, but I'll do my own research :D
[08:22] <Shirakawasuna> thanks!
[08:27] <suze> #ffmpeg
[08:27]  * Shirakawasuna goes crazy
[08:28] <Shirakawasuna> apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, yet gnome crap remains
[08:28] <Shirakawasuna> `man apt`
[08:29] <_2> ubuntu-desktop is only a meta package,   nothing in it but it depends on gnome***
[08:29] <_2> !purekde
[08:30] <_2> !puregnome
[08:30] <_2> Shirakawasuna and you really should give debfoster a look see,  and deborphan maybe.
[08:32] <Shirakawasuna> k
[08:32] <Shirakawasuna> apparently aptitude does dependency checking for removal?
[08:32] <Shirakawasuna> maybe I should just use that
[08:32] <_2> it "can"   and so can apt  but it's probably easier with aptitude
[08:33] <Shirakawasuna> debfoster looks a bit hardcore ;)
[08:33] <Shirakawasuna> quick n00b question: what does `purge` do?
[08:33] <Shirakawasuna> google is surprisingly unhelpful, as are manpages
[08:34] <_2> Shirakawasuna it's more of a daemon  than a one time fix   if you want to keep a clean system  debfoster is what you are looking for,  if you are looking to clean out the trash one time and forget it.  then the link above is for you
[08:34] <flaccid> lol. it purges left over configs etc.
[08:34] <Shirakawasuna> so it removes stuff generated by the app?
[08:34] <jussi01> !test
[08:34] <flaccid> no usually the config files in the pkg
[08:34] <_2> Shirakawasuna i was talking about debfoster not answering your later Q
[08:35] <Shirakawasuna> _2: no worries, I got it :D
[08:35] <_2> just making sure.
[08:35] <Shirakawasuna> _2: I'm going to see how deborphan works, it looks less neurotic ;)
[08:35] <Shirakawasuna> I'd have to have to add every new package I wanted w/ a debfoster command
[08:36] <_2> and the "config files" in /etc/  that a package installs are not removed unless you use "purge"   but that's a trifle
[08:36] <_2> Shirakawasuna no you wouldn't.
[08:37] <_2> it always asks when things are seen as "no longer needed" and then you can say "no keep it"
[08:38] <_2> and that only happens when you "remove" something
[08:38] <Shirakawasuna> _2: interesting, maybe I'll go for that, then
[08:38] <Shirakawasuna> _2: thanks :D.  You'd like apt would have something simple built into it for this by now ;)
[08:38] <Shirakawasuna> err
[08:38] <Shirakawasuna> s/like/think
[08:38] <_2> na don't bother.   i'll stop sujesting things that you don't want  :)
[08:39] <Shirakawasuna> lol, deborphan fails... or maybe koffice fails
[08:39] <Shirakawasuna> it shows koffice-data as not depended on ;)
[08:39] <_2> sounds like a flaw in the koffice package
[08:40] <_2> one would hope that koffice depended on koffice-data  but you can't always tell
[08:40] <Shirakawasuna> must be, though I have to wonder how it got installed unless depended on... I explicitly installed the thing
[08:41] <Shirakawasuna> ohhh, I don't have koffice.  Weird.
[08:41]  * Shirakawasuna is clearly a bit crazy
[08:43] <_2> :)
[08:43] <Shirakawasuna> I could swear I just installed it :D
[08:43] <Shirakawasuna> ohhhh, right, I did.  Then wiped the install
[08:44] <Shirakawasuna> in case anyone needs to know why I'm not crazy
[08:45] <_2> if we need to know that, we'll ask your shrink :)
[08:46] <Shirakawasuna> :)
[08:46] <Titanix88_> Electricity was gone during some installtion. Now the package mang sys is broken. What do i do?
[08:47] <Titanix88_> Apt-get install -f doesnt work.
[08:48] <_2> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:48] <_2> if it errors  pastebin the output
[08:50] <_2> i just checked, i have kubuntu-desktop kde gnome ubuntu-desktop all four installed    woohoo  not bad for a guy that doesn't use the gui ...
[08:51] <Shirakawasuna> ooh, debfoster is nice
[08:51] <_2> nah  you wont like it Shirakawasuna
[08:52] <_2> :)
[08:55] <troy_> Where are IRC channels for staying up too late talking to random people about nothing in particular?
[08:55] <ikonia> troy_: join #defocus and ask there, or look on the freenode website for channel lists
[08:56] <troy_> ok
[08:57] <_2> troy_ k/ubuntu-offtopic maybe ?
[08:57] <_2> troy_ or ##windows even
[08:57] <_2> heck.  i do that in here    ;/
[08:58] <_2> don't i ikonia
[09:00] <_2> i think i know what i did wrong in my "urpm" script  i null'd 2   ;/
[09:02] <_2> hah no i -q'd it   effectivly the same as far as the "fetch" process is concerned.
[09:09] <vczcdfad> my kopete keep crashing when logging into msn..fresh installation of kubuntu. heard there is a bug, but i couldn't find the fix.. there was a link to fix.deb but its down..can someone help
[09:11] <flaccid> vczcdfad: yeah may get help in #kopete
[09:14] <zorglu_> q. is there a way to get scp to do 'resume' aka to take back the copy where it has been interrupted ? like 'wget -c" tkind of thing
[09:16] <_2> ah man.  xubuntu-desktop pends on one thing i don't have "mozilla-thunderbird"     and i don't want it either ;/
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[09:17] <Shirakawasuna> _2: lame.  Have fun removing/adding lots o' packages ;)
[09:17] <_2> Shirakawasuna why remove ?
[09:18] <_2> i have the room....
[09:18] <_2> ActionParsnip
[09:18] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip did you get my message about my vidio issue ?
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> Shirakawasuna: apt-get deals with that dude
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: no man, wassup?
[09:19] <Agent_bob> it was the kernel
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: ooh, in what way?
[09:20] <Agent_bob> seems that dapper ati R200 and "opensourse" "restricted" driver requires i686 and i had i386 installed.
[09:20] <ActionParsnip> yeah i386 is fairly worthless anyhoo
[09:20] <ActionParsnip> im sure you have better than a Pentium2 in your system
[09:20] <Agent_bob> there is a "restricted-modules" package for the i386 so i just "assumed" that was ok...
[09:21] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip ummm it's a celaron 1.6g lappy thingy
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: yeah i686 is for p3 and higher stuff
[09:22] <Agent_bob> so it's still beyond me hos it would only mess up the movie player windows and not the whole gui   o.O
[09:22] <Agent_bob> how
[09:22] <Agent_bob> but anyway,  it's fixed.
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> because maybe it needs some stuff that i386 doesnt do to et 3dness
[09:23] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> lo contrast83
[09:23] <Guest18118> hello
[09:24] <contrast83> hey ActionParsnip
[09:24] <Agent_bob> and an odd thing    one of the tests reccomended in the howto was a modprobe fglrx    but it always fails with a /lib/modules/*/volitile/flgrx.so not found type error,  yet fglrxinfo says it's working   and it solved my issue so i'm good.
[09:24] <contrast83> Has anyone here been able to add a feed to Akregator via Firefox?
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: i dont use rss feeds, sorry
[09:25] <Shirakawasuna> ahhh, nice clean system
[09:25] <contrast83> np
[09:25] <Miroku-Sama> Hey does kubuntu have the automatic codec finder like ubuntu does?
[09:26] <Agent_bob> Shirakawasuna heh  "clean"   my idea of clean would be more like only 35 packages installed   heh.
[09:26] <Agent_bob> Shirakawasuna but glad you like it :)
[09:27] <contrast83> Miroku-Sama: I think so... You could just save yourself the trouble and run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras" though
[09:27] <Shirakawasuna> well, I'm debating between archlinux/kubuntu for my new lappy
[09:27] <Agent_bob> and i'm just about to went!   so gooday all.
[09:27] <Shirakawasuna> I've got kubuntu on this one to try it out for a month or so
[09:27] <Miroku-Sama> oh really thanks what all will that install adobe and java too?
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> Shirakawasuna: its a good OS imho
[09:28] <contrast83> Miroku-Sama: oddly, it installs Java's openjdk, but not the runtime and browser plugin, so you'll want to run "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin" as well
[09:28] <Agent_bob> yeah.  i'm running dapper LTS   no real complants now.   an os only has the bugs worked out in time for the maintainers to abandon it...
[09:29] <Miroku-Sama> ok no problem there but all my media needs should be met mpeg wmv avi mp3 etc. should be met right?
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> Miroku-Sama: if thats what you use then yes
[09:30] <contrast83> methinks so... but then, i'm using medibuntu's repo as well, so that might be taking care of some stuff also
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> Miroku-Sama: get win32 codecs
[09:30] <contrast83> !medibuntu
[09:30] <ocs> hi, i did something wrong with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Now, with the keyboard, i can't type anymore some character, like #, { etc. what should i do? thnks
[09:30] <Miroku-Sama> ok sweet you guys have saved me a lot of time
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> Miroku-Sama: here to help, help wherever you can
[09:31] <contrast83> someone correct me if i'm wrong here, but you still can't get encrypted dvd playback via anything in ubuntu's repos, right?
[09:31] <ct529> hi everybody! I installed kbfx from the main repository, but I do not know how to activate it. Any clue?
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: you may needs to add some repos but im sure it exists
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> !info kbfx
[09:32] <MrKennie> medibuntu repository provides libdvdcss2
[09:32] <MrKennie> and other useful things
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> ct529: i think you add it to the kicker / panel like the standard K button
[09:32] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: right, i didn't put that very well, sorry... i mean the *official* repos, not 3rd party ones like medibuntu, etc
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: medibuntu is official dud
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> e
[09:33] <contrast83> -_~ i was unaware of that
[09:33] <ct529> ActionParsnip: I thought it was supposed to substitute the kmenu. At least this is what the documentation says ....
[09:34] <contrast83> ct529: substitute / alternative... yeah
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> ct529: yeah, add it to your bottom panel and remove the standard one
[09:34] <contrast83> you can have both on there if you want...
[09:34]  * contrast83 loves Tasty Menu
[09:35] <contrast83> best start menu everrrr
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> ct529: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76746
[09:35] <ct529> contrast83: ActionParsnip: I will give a go to tasty menu as well, so I can compare them .... can you have them all?
[09:35] <contrast83> ct529: yep
[09:35] <ct529> wait
[09:35] <contrast83> the only one that actually replaces the standard kmenu is kickoff
[09:36] <frothir> hi, adept just crashed and when i try to run adept again i get a message that like: another process is using the package system database....
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: i dongt really use the menu, i launch from yakuake
[09:37] <contrast83> not katapult? o_O
[09:37] <ct529> yakuake?
[09:37] <frothir> anybody know what to do?
[09:37] <ct529> katapult?
[09:37] <contrast83> ct529: a pulldown terminal
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: nar, press tilde, type the command &, then press tilde again
[09:37] <MrKennie> frothir, give it a few minutes, and try again. Sometimes apt is still working in the background
[09:37] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: i use yakuake too, just i find katapult much quicker
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: i sue cli alot, i dont use gui shortcuts much at all
[09:38] <contrast83> ct529: press alt+space, type a couple letters of a program name... Ctrl+C to configure it
[09:38] <frothir> MrKennie, ok:)
[09:39] <contrast83> yakuake should be installed by default
[09:39] <ct529> nothing happens ....
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: absolutely
[09:39] <MrKennie> I do like yakuake :)
[09:39] <contrast83> ct529: you have to press enter to launch whatever program
[09:39] <contrast83> it'll never happen though
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: just tab autocomplete ;)
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> mouse is sllooooow
[09:40] <contrast83> what'chu talkin'? no mouse for katapult
[09:40] <ct529> no, when I press alt + space nothing happens
[09:40] <contrast83> ct529: then it's not running. should be under Utilities under KMenu
[09:41] <ct529> contrast83: are we talking yakuake here?
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: ho do you launch katapult to launch stuff??
[09:41] <contrast83> ct529: no, katapult... yakuake's a pulldown terminal
[09:41] <Shirakawasuna> katapult is good stuff
[09:42] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: Alt+F2 -> katapult -> Alt+Space -> Ctrl+C to configure
[09:42] <Shirakawasuna> it's very convenient for quick calculations, too
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: woah thats long
[09:42] <contrast83> Shirakawasuna: indeed, i use it for that a lot
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: tilde, type command (use tab autocomplete), yakuake vanishes
[09:42] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: i just meant to open it... you mean just to launch something?
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: yeah to launch, do you need to click
[09:42] <contrast83> Alt+Space -> F -> Enter, then Firefox opens
[09:43] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: no... just try it out. it's installed by default :-)
[09:43] <Shirakawasuna> it's like having a terminal but the only path available is the kde menu/the home folder
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: oh, then i'll pull it off to save space
[09:43] <ct529> contrast83: when I press alt + space nothing happens
[09:43] <Shirakawasuna> aside from calculations, that is
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: cheers for the heads up
[09:43] <Shirakawasuna> alt + space is very handy, though.  Very fast :D
[09:43] <Jucato> ct529: make sure katapult is running in the first place (Ctrl+Esc, see if it's in the list)
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: reinstall it, might help
[09:44] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: this isn't Windows :)
[09:44] <contrast83> Shirakawasuna: Change the execute shortcut to "e" and you've got a complete single-command shell
[09:44] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: ?
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: was meant for ct529
[09:45] <frothir> MrKennie: how long is a few minutes?
[09:45] <contrast83> got cha
[09:45] <contrast83> hey there Jucato
[09:45] <Jucato> hey
[09:45] <ct529> contrast83: ok, now it works, but if I do alt + space -> F -> it doe snot select firefox among the applications
[09:45] <Shirakawasuna> contrast83: why "e"?
[09:45] <contrast83> you wouldn't know how to get Firefox to add a feed to Akregator would you? :-)
[09:45] <Jucato> Shirakawasuna: faster than typing "exec" :)
[09:45] <ct529> contrast83: it selects fityk
[09:45] <Shirakawasuna> ah
[09:45] <Shirakawasuna> cool :D
[09:46] <Jucato> ct529: you have to type in a few more letters, like "fir"... or you can probably try "moz"
[09:46] <contrast83> ct529: depends on your selection of programs. just type the first characters of the program's name til it matches what you want
[09:46] <MrKennie> frothir, still getting the error?
[09:46] <ct529> contrast83: how do I configure it for selecting all the applications starting with f?
[09:46] <contrast83> ct529: use kde4 :-P
[09:46] <frothir> Mrkennie, yep
[09:46]  * Jucato kicks contrast83 :)
[09:46] <contrast83> krunner has made *huge* strides in 4.1
[09:46] <ct529> tried with "firefo", it opens "customise firefox"
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: its a bit twitchy
[09:46] <contrast83> hehe, sorry
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: but lighter in ram than kde3
[09:47] <Jucato> ct529: yeah, it's annoying that way
[09:47] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: kde4 or katapult?
[09:47] <ct529> tried with "mozilla firefo" it says no program found
[09:47] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: actually 4.1 is fairly stable (given that it's still in beta)
[09:47] <ct529> pity I have FF3!
[09:47] <contrast83> lighter in ram, maybe, but kde4 chuuugs on my clunker, where kde3 zips right along
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: kde4
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: ask stdin ;)
[09:47] <frothir> Mrkennie, is there anyway tokill it in the processtable?
[09:47] <ct529> so what shall I do to launch firefox?
[09:48] <Jucato> contrast83: what video card?
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: or flaccid
[09:48] <contrast83> nvidia 5500
[09:48] <Jucato> contrast83: there you go :)
[09:48] <MrKennie> look for it in ps aux
[09:48] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: with and without desktop effects enabled
[09:48] <contrast83> compiz runs swimmingly on it
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> ct529: use keybinidings to make a shortcut key to it :)
[09:48] <frothir> Mrkennie, ?
[09:48] <Jucato> nvidia and qt4 not play nice...
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: both
[09:49] <Shirakawasuna> Jucato: no?
[09:49] <ct529> ActionParsnip: oh thanks! is that the way katapult works? ;)
[09:49] <Jucato> Shirakawasuna: at least the older drivers
[09:49] <Shirakawasuna> I just ordered a thinkpad, selected nvidia...
[09:49] <contrast83> Jucato: all nvidias, or just old nvidias like my 5500?
[09:49] <Jucato> contrast83: <Jucato> Shirakawasuna: at least the older drivers
[09:49] <Shirakawasuna> well,that's good
[09:49] <Shirakawasuna> at least for my laptop ;)
[09:49] <ct529> is there a way to configure the bahaviour of the stupid thing? :D
[09:49] <Shirakawasuna> Jucato: what does it do?
[09:49] <contrast83> Jucato: it was the same with the 169 series driver :-\
[09:50] <Shirakawasuna> ct529: a bit, yeah
[09:50] <contrast83> ct529: Ctrl+C
[09:50] <Jucato> ct529: you can remove the Bookmarks catalog from Katapult's catalog list so it won't find Customize Firefox Bookmark
[09:50] <Jucato> or you can remove Firefox bookmarks from the Bookmarks catalog
[09:50] <ct529> Jucato: It should really propose a list of all the programs starting withcertain letter(s)
[09:51] <Jucato> contrast83: I heard that the nv driver does wonders
[09:51] <contrast83> ct529: there is a fork that does that
[09:51] <Jucato> ct529: it should. but it doesn't
[09:51] <contrast83> dig around on kde-apps
[09:51] <Jucato> it's practically dead anyway...
[09:51] <MrKennie> frothir, ps aux | grep dpkg
[09:51] <Jucato> (Long Live KRunner!)
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> envy-qt is an easy way to nvidia up
[09:51] <ct529> Jucato: krunner????
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> !info krunner
[09:52] <contrast83> funny how envy was consistently discouraged 'round these parts, and now it's in the repos
[09:52] <Jucato> ct529: KDE 4 Alt+F2
[09:52] <Jucato> contrast83: envy != envyng :)
[09:52] <contrast83> meh, still
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: guess its individual experience
[09:53] <frothir> MrKennie, and the I get this: 9650  0.0  0.0   3004   764 pts/1    R+   10:52   0:00 grep dpkg
[09:53] <Jucato> contrast83: remember that the reason it was discouraged was not because of what it did, but because of how it did it... it could have improved to the satisfaction of Ubuntu's QA over time
[09:53] <contrast83> envy was a lifesaver for me once. went through every possible combination of options getting my friend's old onboard nvidia card working, supported and now, and envy was the only thing that pulled through
[09:53] <MrKennie> frothir, and still no luck?
[09:54] <contrast83> got cha
[09:54] <Jucato> MrKennie, frothir: what's the problem?
[09:54] <ct529> Jucato: just uninstalled kde4, because I was a bit upset by how the upgrade to 4.1 beta 1 was managed. It completley broke my kde4 installtion. We should be a bit more careful about these packages. Instructions on kubuntu did not work properly if you kde 403 installed. grrrrrr!
[09:54] <Jucato> ct529: .... it's "beta" for a reason... that's a disclaimer that need not be explicitly mentioned
[09:54] <frothir> MrKennie, no luck, No the notifier tells me that there are one package that is upgradable
[09:55] <frothir> No=Now
[09:55] <MrKennie> and it tells you that there is another process?
[09:55] <frothir> yep
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> MrKennie: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:55] <MrKennie> as ActionParsnip suggested frothir
[09:56] <MrKennie> I wasn't sure if apt-get clean clears the lock.
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> MrKennie: could also try sudo apt-get -f install
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> MrKennie: oh you got the apt lock?
[09:56] <MrKennie> not me, frothir has
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> MrKennie: make sure you close all those useless gui apps that lock apt
[09:57] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: redirect to frothir please :)
[09:57] <MrKennie> adept crashes on me all the time which is why I use cli most of the time.
[09:57] <MrKennie> :)
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[09:58] <ActionParsnip> i find apt-get to be flawless
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> but i suppose people like a pretty gui
[09:58] <frothir> ah, solved, tried to run- sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade, and got a message that i shoul run dpkg --configure -a, and that did the trick
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> frothir: sweet dude
[09:58] <frothir> thanks
[09:59] <MrKennie> cool
[09:59] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: You can't browse packages with apt-get, and aptitude's ncurses interface doesn't give as many options for fine-tuning your search
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: you can tab autocomplete the package names
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> that you want to install
[10:00] <MrKennie> I seem to get on ok with apt-cache search and apt-cache show
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> MrKennie: me too
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> or websearch first
[10:01] <MrKennie> yea
[10:01] <MrKennie> ubuntu package search is very useful sometimes
[10:01] <MrKennie> especially locating a file you need.
[10:01] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: i know. i use apt-get all the time. just saying it's not suited for every single thing synaptic can do :-)
[10:02] <MrKennie> contrast83, agreed
[10:02] <contrast83> apt-file is very nice
[10:02] <ct529> Jucato: the problem was not with the beta, but with the fact that if you followed the instructions to install it, it broke down (that is, the packages dependencies were broken). So the system still, worked but you could not install properly and then had to clean the system. I move everything to vortual machine, so you do not need the cleaning up.
[10:02] <MrKennie> the ability to simply browse is nice but I think adept could be more like Synaptic
[10:03] <MrKennie> Synaptic is simpler and more user friendly IMO
[10:03] <contrast83> a nice little kde-only *feature* of synaptic - hit ignore when prompted for your password, and you can use it to browse while apt-getting to your heart's content from the terminal
[10:03] <contrast83> i do that a lot
[10:03] <MrKennie> but that's not to say adept is bad of course :)
[10:03] <contrast83> i like the implementation of the debian tagging system in adept, but i don't think that makes up for everything else synaptic has over it
[10:04] <Jucato> ct529: that's the thing. it's beta, and in a "beta" repo. there's no 100% guarantee. but if there are any problems, it would still get fixed as soon as and if possible. that's just how the world goes round
[10:04]  * ct529 wants the world to stop :D
[10:05] <ct529> anyway! the virtual machine approach s better for me ....
[10:05] <MrKennie> yea, so I can get off!
[10:05] <ct529> MrKennie: exactly, at the next tropical beach (not virtual plaese)
[10:05] <MrKennie> =D
[10:06] <contrast83> yeah... one of the things i learned early on, installing beta software *always* gives you the right to keep the pieces when it breaks your system
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> VM is nice but yer running high system resources compared to not running the vm and having a disaster recovery
[10:06] <ct529> anyone who knows how to get to this result here -> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=79220&file1=79220-1.jpg&file2=79220-2.png&file3=&name=Grid+smoothyan+button+and+kicker+BG
[10:07] <contrast83> plus you can't run KWin4 in all its composited-not-nearly-as-well-performing-as-Compiz glory :))
[10:07] <ct529> ActionParsnip: yes, but if you run it only for testing now and then, at leats you do not need to destroy the production machine :)
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> ct529: id have a seperate machine personally
[10:08] <contrast83> Anyone Elisa users here who could point me in the direction of how to create a theme for it?
[10:08] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: pfft
[10:09] <contrast83> for testing now and then?
[10:09] <contrast83> s/Anyone/Any/
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> yeah, computers are cheap
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> and i like to keep my systems as clean as possible
[10:11] <ct529> ActionParsnip: computers are a waste of space hence the need for virtual computers. Also ecologically unfriendly .....
[10:11] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: for the most part, the only benefit "cleanliness" has on a linux system is hard drive space, since having a bunch of extra installed programs *usually* doesn't slow things down
[10:12] <contrast83> it's not like on windows where you have a registry and all that garbage... but if you're ocd, i guess i could see the other perks :-P
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> ct529: they dont get turned on much if im playing, then i do what i dd on the rest and retire it
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> i just like stable systems. ive had mo issues with my main systems at all
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> plus it does all my compiles if i do anywhich frees my other systems up
[10:14] <ct529> wow the kbfx works really well
[10:14] <contrast83> meh... i've got 3 computers, but i still see the benefit of virtual machines
[10:14] <contrast83> ct529: check out tasty yet?
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: i see the benefit, i just prefer not to use em
[10:16] <ct529> contrast83: yes but have some problems. it gets out of my screen!
[10:16] <contrast83> the thing that turned me off from kbfx was the fact you have to click on all the different categories
[10:16] <contrast83> ct529: right-click it -> configure, or move it to a different part of the panel
[10:16] <ct529> contrast83: ok
[10:19] <contrast83> anyone here using e17?
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: what is it?
[10:20] <contrast83> enlightenment?
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> the WM?
[10:20] <contrast83> a super-fast, super-sexy window manager/"desktop shell"
[10:20] <contrast83> yup
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> !enlightenment
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> haha e17 was that naff 90s boyband
[10:21] <contrast83> -_~
[10:21] <contrast83> i was never big into 90's boybands, guess i missed that one :-P
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> depends how old you are :D
[10:22] <contrast83> 25
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> yeah you'll have been there
[10:22]  * ActionParsnip is 28
[10:22] <contrast83> meeehhhhhh.... why can't firefox and akregator play nicely together
[10:23]  * contrast83 goes to get cereal
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: you could instal an rss plugin for ff
[10:26] <jussi01> contrast83: mine plays perfectly
[10:27] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: yeah, but i use akregator as part of kontact, and i'd like to keep it that way
[10:27] <contrast83> jussi01: you can add feeds to akregator via firefox?
[10:29] <uni4dfx> hi, does anyone know if adept updater can show change descriptions?
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: makes sense
[10:30] <tc_> contrast83: i tried out e17 a few years ago and found it wasn't quite polished enough for my purposes... how is it now?
[10:30] <contrast83> uni4dfx: i don't think so... but you can always use gnome's package management suite in place of adept
[10:30] <uni4dfx> ok, this needs to be fixed
[10:30] <uni4dfx> i'm making a brainstorm idea...
[10:30] <contrast83> tc_: almost perfect... still a tiny bit of polish to be made, but plenty usable overall
[10:31] <contrast83> tc_: been using it full time on three systems for about a week now, no showstoppers yet.
[10:33] <tc_> contrast83: that is awesome... i've been worried that the long development time would render it obsolete before it was even released... what's your take? is it as impressive and fun to use as e16 was back in the day?
[10:35] <contrast83> tc_: I never really used e16, just switched to linux coming up on 2 years ago... i can, however, say it's *almost* as fun to use as Compiz, and equally impressive, which is quite a feat given it doesn't need compositing
[10:37] <contrast83> plus itask-ng, which only runs on e17, is easily the best-performing osx dock clone i've ever seen.
[10:39] <tc_> yeah?  i'll have to check it out.
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> contrast83: tried fluxbox?
[10:42] <contrast83> ActionParsnip: yeah, a bit too minimalist for my taste. if i were using a pentium 2, i might use it.
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> i find it pretty slick
[10:43] <jussi01> contrast83: yes, i can - but it only works with akregator not integrateeed into kontact - you need to use a little script
[10:44] <contrast83> jussi01: a one-liner - akregator -a "$1" ?
[10:44] <jussi01> contrast83: yeps
[10:45] <jussi01> works perfectly for me - as long as you use the standalone akregator
[10:45] <MrKennie> contrast83, e17 actually finished yet?
[10:45] <contrast83> MrKennie: yeah, and so is GNU Hurd :-P
[10:45] <MrKennie> lol
[10:45] <contrast83> bleh... the whole reason i'm set on using akregator is kontact integration
[10:45] <contrast83> thanks for the info though, jussi
[10:46] <lordofthepigs> Hello, my Kubuntu Hardy x64 doesn't mount NTFS external drives using UTF8, so files with asian filenames are all hidden
[10:46] <contrast83> MrKennie: seriously though, it's finished enough for me. it serves *very* well on a media center pc
[10:47] <lordofthepigs> I have another computer with Ubuntu Hardy x86, and that same drive is mounted as expected
[10:47] <lordofthepigs> Is there any difference in the way ubuntu and kubuntu mount external hard drives?
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> lordofthepigs: id compare /etc/fstab as a starting point
[10:48] <MrKennie> contrast83, I'm lazy, are there any ubuntu packages for it yet? :)
[10:48] <lordofthepigs> ActionParsnip: external HDDs shouldn't appear in fstab, should they?
[10:48] <contrast83> MrKennie: deb http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu hardy e17
[10:48] <tc_> lordofthepigs: they shouldn't under normal circumstances
[10:48] <MrKennie> sweet! Thanks!
[10:48] <contrast83> MrKennie: wget -q http://e17.dunnewind.net/repo_key.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[10:49] <contrast83> np
[10:49] <tc_> lordofthepigs: i haven't read this thread completely, but i think it addresses your problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=805124
[10:49] <contrast83> MrKennie: you'll want to check out itask-ng as well, it's not packaged yet, but it's an easy compile
[10:50] <oblenob> kubuntu is being verry slow for me :(
[10:50] <oblenob> how can I get linux running faster?
[10:50] <MrKennie> contrast83, OK, cool.
[10:50] <lordofthepigs> tc_: Hmm isn't it weird that ubuntu and kubuntu use different settings given that the hal package is shared between both of them?
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> lordofthepigs: http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20078
[10:50] <tc_> lordofthepigs: yeah, that is a little strange... hal might be the wrong tree to bark up, but it's where i would probably start
[10:50] <contrast83> MrKennie: "sudo apt-get install xorg-dev enlightenment-dev libtool automake gettext" then follow the instructions here: http://code.google.com/p/itask-module/wiki/ItaskNG
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> lordofthepigs: id run sudo fdisk -l on both when its pluged in
[10:52] <MrKennie> I've been waiting years for e17, I always assumed in the end it was one of those things that would never be ready.
[10:53] <contrast83> yeah, i'm kinda starting to think that too, but whatever, it serves my purposes well for the moment
[10:54] <contrast83> but then again, it's come a looong way just in the past year i've had my eye on it, so who knows
[10:55] <lordofthepigs> ActionParsnip: I did the fdisk, but nothing is really unexpected here, as I said before, 1 NTFS partition
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> lordofthepigs: its should still show up
[10:56] <lordofthepigs> what should show up?
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> the ntfs partition
[10:57] <jussi01> contrast83: you just inspired me to go see if I could find something - and this script works for me in the integrated version :D http://porpoisehead.net/hi/?q=node/25
[10:58] <lordofthepigs> ActionParsnip: yeah, that's what I said in my previous message, Nothing unexpected, my partition shows up.
[10:59] <lordofthepigs> tc_: should mount show something special to indicate that the partition is mounted using utf8?
[10:59] <lordofthepigs> tc_: or is there anyway to let ntfs-3g show me all the options it used to mount the partition?
[11:01] <tc_> mount will show you... i think there's a ntfs-3g mount option called "locale" that should be set
[11:02] <contrast83> jussi01: trying to get it to work... thanks
[11:04] <jussi01> contrast83: :D
[11:05] <contrast83> jussi01: i accidentally told firefox to always use live bookmarks when adding a feed, can't seem to find where to change that
[11:05] <jussi01> contrast83: edit -> preferences -> feeds
[11:06] <lordofthepigs> tc_: there seems to be a special file for hal in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/
[11:06] <contrast83> jussi01: umm... that wouldn't be on yours because of an extension i'm lacking, would it? :-)
[11:06] <lordofthepigs> tc_: sorry, I meant there: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/hal-policy-ntfs-config-write-policy.fdi
[11:07] <jussi01> contrast83: no, not that I know of
[11:07] <lordofthepigs> sounds suspiciously kubuntu specific
[11:07] <jussi01> contrast83: I am running 2.0 though
[11:07] <contrast83> ahh, that might be it. i'm on 3
[11:08] <tc_> lordofthepigs: yeah... i bet editting that file is the answer
[11:09] <tc_> i wonder if that ntfs-config utility is supposed to be the userfriendly way to do this
[11:09] <ocs> hi, i did something wrong with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Now, with the keyboard, i can't type anymore some character, like #, { etc. what should i do? thnks
[11:10] <lordofthepigs> tc_: I tried launching it, but it doesn't seem to let me choose the default options for removable drives...
[11:12] <contrast83> jussi01: thanks a lot, i'm sure i'll get it fixed eventually. much appreciated :)
[11:12] <jussi01> :)
[11:14] <tc_> lordofthepigs: i would try chaning that file so that it says something along the lines of "locale=utf-8"
[11:14] <tc_> lordofthepigs: instead of just locale=
[11:16] <tc_> it might be en_US.UTF-8, actually
[11:17] <tc_> what a nightmare, though... so difficult to do something so simple
[11:17] <ct529> there is a command which returns the kubuntu installed version, but I forgot it. any clue?
[11:20] <SlimG> ct529: cat /etc/issue
[11:21] <lordofthepigs> tc_: Yeah, I though of doing something like that too, however, the name of the key looks suspicious, so I'm not sure it will work
[11:21] <lordofthepigs> tc_: Bah, I'll just make a backup copy of the file
[11:22] <lordofthepigs> tc_: Is there a way to restart hal without rebooting?
[11:22] <ct529> SlimG: thanks!
[11:23] <Conundrum_> yes lordofthepigs
[11:23] <Conundrum_> jsut restart the hal daemon
[11:23] <tc_> lordofthepigs: sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[11:24] <SlimG> ct529: np
[11:24] <jimoon> dajiahao
[11:26] <contrast83> jussi01: looks like it's not gonna work here. thanks anyway though. must be firefox 3, or my version of kde. :-\
[11:26] <jussi01> :/
[11:26] <contrast83> well, i'm off. peace, y'all
[11:26] <jimoon> 大家好
[11:31] <lordofthepigs> tc_: nope, didn't work
[11:31] <lordofthepigs> I also tried setting nls=utf-8
[11:31] <lordofthepigs> no luck
[11:35] <advanced> hi
[11:36] <ik_> sup
[11:36] <advanced> so here is anyone who can me help ?
[11:36] <advanced> ok...my problem is
[11:37] <advanced> My other disks are off...eh i must turn manually when i want use other discs
[11:37] <ik_> you mean your harddisks, right?
[11:37] <advanced> yes
[11:38] <ik_> i'm gonna look for a answer, one sec.
[11:38] <suwarno> helloooooooooo
[11:38] <suwarno> allll
[11:38] <ik_> sup suwarno
[11:39] <suwarno> anyone can help me?
[11:39] <advanced> with ?
[11:39] <advanced> say your problem :)
[11:39] <suwarno> how to detect and install drive for wifi...in ubuntu
[11:39] <suwarno> ?
[11:40] <mooper> hi, this is the mbr of a usb device that I am attenpting to make bootable but it wont work. how do I make sure that the mbr is right?
[11:40] <pucko-> suwarno, if it isn't detected automatically, it can be somewhat tricky
[11:40] <advanced> you want fix grub ? O.o
[11:40] <ik__> suwarno, you can try Ndiswrapper to install it using your windows drivres.
[11:41] <ik__> suwarno, what device is it?
[11:41] <advanced> !KDE
[11:41] <ik__> mooper: there are several installation programs for installing a good MBR on your usb, just google.
[11:42] <mooper> ik__: I have used a couple but to no avail
[11:42] <ik__> advanced, sorry, i cant find it, maybe try to switch off turning off hdd's in the bios or ACPI.
[11:42] <advanced> kk :(
[11:42] <advanced> btw how to update my KDE to stable version ?
[11:42] <ik__> advanced: try some others around, im not the best in linux around ^^
[11:43] <ik__> mooper: what usb stick brand, type etc is it
[11:44] <advanced> So anyone know how to update my KDE ?
[11:44] <pucko-> mooper, are you sure it's an mbr issue, and not something else?
[11:44] <ik__> advanced: try using adept to do a full upgrade.
[11:44] <mooper> pucko-: I have tried on several systems. my boss has exactly the same usb stick and it works fine for him
[11:45] <advanced> ahaaaaaaaaaa
[11:45] <mooper> (it was a stick given to me by microsoft tho so Im not ruling out foul play)
[11:45] <advanced> xD
[11:45] <pucko-> mooper, so his usbdrive works in your computer?
[11:45] <ik__> mooper: microsoft+linux XD
[11:46] <advanced> btw how to change my loadscreen ? I mean where is account and where i set pass for logging
[11:46] <mooper> pucko-: he has it in a server at home and I have tried 3 computers
[11:46] <pucko-> the thing is, I think, that the computer doesn't really view usb-sticks as harddrives. it sees them as either usb-floppy or usb-cd (at least mine does).
[11:46] <ik__> advanced: "start"->system settings->user management
[11:47] <suwarno> wireless
[11:47] <suwarno> broadcom
[11:47] <ik__> pucko: you can set the computer to boot from USB in the BIOS.
[11:47] <suwarno> ik: device is..broadcomm wireless
[11:48] <ik__> suwarno: what does it say on the stick itself? (i mean, physically, just look)
[11:48] <mooper> pucko-: yes it generally works on all systems if you set up the usb key righ
[11:48] <mooper> t
[11:51] <ik__> i have to do a reboot in a couple of secs, i just hope my vid card keeps working after, cuz i had to reinstall like 10x past 2 days because i have a ATI card >.<
[11:51] <ik__> if i dont come back, it failed lol.
[11:51] <suwarno> ik: how to see the device?
[11:51] <suwarno> hmmm sorryy we are newby...
[11:51] <ik__> suwarno: is it a buildin device, or a external plug-in stick.
[11:52] <suwarno> this is laptop firend..
[11:52] <suwarno> buildin
[11:52] <ik__> k
[11:52] <ik__> hmm.
[11:52] <ik__> try to type in the console lspci
[11:53] <suwarno> ok
[11:53] <ik__> and look for something with wlan or something
[11:53] <suwarno> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev                                                                             01)
[11:53] <suwarno> ik: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev                                                                             01)
[11:53] <ik__> k. do you have a windows driver that DOES work?
[11:54] <ik__> what version of (k)Ubuntu are you running btw
[11:55] <ik__> ow, i gtg, ill be back in a couple of minutes..
[11:55] <ik__> reboot...
[11:55] <suwarno> oke
[11:57] <ct529> hi there
[11:58] <ct529> I have again the problem with openoffice: it does not start, the error returned is "Locking assertion failure."
[11:58] <ct529> anyone with a clue?
[11:58] <ik_> ct529: try to start it with sudo rights.
[11:58] <ik_> bk.
[11:58] <ik_> and need to go again, D'oh, stupid drivers lol
[11:59] <suwarno> ik : ???
[12:00] <suwarno> buidin device
[12:02] <ct529> that is a serious problem ....
[12:08] <advanced> hi
[12:09] <advanced> I need problem with flash videos. Only with flash videos. So my problem is ...sound in videos doesnt work.
[12:11] <crimsaq> I'm having the same issue, kubuntu 8.04
[12:11] <crimsaq> no audio with anything web related
[12:11] <flaccid> flash uses alsa so that is fairly strange. flash is closed and made by adobe..
[12:12] <flaccid> perhaps submit a bug
[12:12] <Dorian_Silviu> that means i will not install kubuntu
[12:12] <Dorian_Silviu> :(
[12:12] <flaccid> sweet
[12:12] <Dorian_Silviu> i just burned the cd and wow!
[12:13] <Dorian_Silviu> nothing works
[12:13] <Dorian_Silviu> too many bugs
[12:13] <crimsaq> all of my stuff works, just not web audio
[12:13] <flaccid> Dorian_Silviu: what bugs?
[12:13] <crimsaq> took a little tweaking, but I love kubuntu :)
[12:13] <Dorian_Silviu> the one with the flash
[12:13] <flaccid> 1 bug with a closed software product = too many fair enough..
[12:14] <ct529> is it better to install the nvidia driver using envy (.... :D ....) or manually?
[12:14] <flaccid> ct529: hardware drivers manager / restricted drivers
[12:14] <ct529> flaccid: no envy?
[12:15] <flaccid> ct529: why envy?
[12:15] <ct529> flaccid: I thought it was the best way of keeping up to date
[12:15] <ik_> flaccid: hey, i had to reinstall kUbuntu again, because my screen went black again >.<
[12:15] <flaccid> !best i don't see how
[12:15] <makdaknife> Dorian_Silviu: what bug with flash? flash works perfectly well on my system
[12:15] <flaccid> !best
[12:15] <ct529> flaccid: I am just asking, did not use driver before, trying to fix an error
[12:15] <flaccid> ct529: which error?
[12:15] <Hondo_Kitsune> How do you install the ntfs-3g driver?
[12:16] <ct529> the blasted """Locking assertion failure." on openoffice, I NEED to write this report by today
[12:16] <flaccid> !ntfs-3g | Hondo_Kitsune
[12:16] <Hondo_Kitsune> thx
[12:16] <flaccid> ct529: how is that related to the video driver?
[12:17] <tzd> !cron
[12:17] <crimsaq> I just formated my ntfs partition to ext3 :P
[12:17] <ct529> flaccid: I do not know what do anymore and I Need to write the report, I am fairly depserate
[12:18] <ct529> because the error is linked with xorg, I am trying the driver
[12:18] <flaccid> ct529: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/185311
[12:18] <flaccid> what can you do..
[12:20] <Hondo_Kitsune> ok ntfs-3g went on, but I still cannot access the drive, it is not mounting and it is showing a blank screen in Dolphin, no error message
[12:20] <ct529> flaccid: the point is, we cannot not have openoffice working on a production machine for a month
[12:20] <flaccid> ct529: thats life
[12:21] <Hondo_Kitsune> :D I'm in
[12:22] <Hondo_Kitsune> nvm, thanks flaccid
[12:22] <flaccid> np
[12:22] <Hondo_Kitsune> I'm very impressed with WINE 1.0
[12:23] <Hondo_Kitsune> running exe file on the fly without having to go through it
[12:23] <mooper> where do I put commands that I want to happen automatically on boot?
[12:23] <ct529> flaccid: well, not really .... we made a big bet by moving to kubuntu / ubuntu and that is bad, since we are campaiging for linux acceptance .... haveing the MOST important office application not working for a month on a LTS version is actually EXTREMELY bad
[12:25] <flaccid> ct529: seems pretty normal to me. do you actually use canonical commercial support?
[12:25] <flaccid> lts is also for security updates. so if you are on dapper then yeah i would expect issues like this :)
[12:26] <ct529> flaccid: security updates?
[12:26] <flaccid> yeah. dapper doesn't get normal updates. it gets security pretty much only
[12:26] <flaccid> not many others get through
[12:26] <ct529> flaccid: we are talking hardy here, aren't we?
[12:27] <flaccid> hardy kubuntu is not lts, only ubuntu
[12:27] <flaccid> lts doesn't really mean anything besides negatives unless you use canonical commercial support
[12:31] <auto> Hey, guys, I got a problem... My network manual config does not want to work. I click "Manual config" from the tray, I input my password and nothing happens...
[12:31] <Hondo_Kitsune> I am about to test WINE 1.0 by installing Office 2k7
[12:32] <auto> .. :(
[12:34] <avariya> Hi. Can anyone help me find driver to photocamera Olympus FE-310
[12:35] <yacc> What's the way to make firefox the default webbrowser, e.g. from Alt-F2?
[12:35] <KRF> yacc, system settings -> default apps
[12:36] <avariya> noone have idea?
[12:37] <danuthaiduc> avariya: what happens if you plug it in?
[12:37] <yacc> KRF: What command do I need to run? => system settings does exist on my KMenu.
[12:38] <avariya> danuthaiduc: OS says that is some other camera and didn't find any photos on it
[12:38] <aprovaux2> alguem pode me ajudar
[12:38] <danuthaiduc> hmm
[12:38] <stdin> yacc: should be the last entry before the options to logout/switch user
[12:38] <Pici> !br | aprovaux2
[12:39] <aprovaux2> blz
[12:39] <danuthaiduc> i don't know for sure, but try pressing alt-f2 and type 'kamera'
[12:40] <yacc> stdin: from bottom to top: "Log Out", "Lock Session", "Switch User", "Run Command", "System menu", "Settings".
[12:40] <yacc> System Menu contains only links to playes like Documents.
[12:40] <stdin> yacc: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[12:40] <avariya> danuthaiduc: and? it say my that ny camera is 370 model
[12:40] <yacc> Settings has no direct entries inside, just submenus.
[12:41] <danuthaiduc> i don't know
[12:41] <mooper> where is the best place to put stuff that you want to execute on boot?
[12:41] <stdin> yacc: make sure you have kde-systemsettings at least
[12:41] <mooper> line sshfs for instance
[12:41] <yacc> stdin, E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[12:41] <yacc> stdin, the same for kde-systemsettings
[12:41] <avariya> danuthaiduc: C-370Z ok. thnx
[12:42] <stdin> yacc: check your repositories are enabled, kubuntu-desktop and kde-systemsettings are in main
[12:42] <aprovaux2> someone could help me
[12:43] <yacc> stdin, which is the tool to do that the correct way. (Little secret, this box was installed as Ubuntu Hardy, not Kubuntu, initially).
[12:43] <yacc> stdin, apt-cache search kubuntu gives zero hits.
[12:44] <aprovaux2> fasso pra use as a printer in the network
[12:45] <yacc> stdin, where can I get the "right" apt sources for kubuntu?
[12:46] <stdin> yacc: you can either use synaptic (not sure how), adept (Adept -> Manage Repositories), or just open /etc/apt/sources.list with a text editor as root (kdesu/gksu) and remove the leading '#' from the lines with 'deb http://...'
[12:47] <zipper> What the.... I just had my box turned off for a few hours, and now i booted it up just to find out: My volume keys on my keyboard doesnt do anything anymore. Last thing i did before shutting it off was installing wine 1.0. Any ideas?
[12:47] <yacc> stdin, I have no kubuntu related lines in sources.
[12:47] <apparle> How to install the codecs for mp3 and other video files for kaffienea and amarok
[12:47] <flaccid> !mp3 | apparle
[12:47] <danuthaiduc> wow
[12:47] <zipper> apparle, if you try playing a mp3 file in amarok it will show a popup
[12:47] <zipper> that asks you to install mp3 support or not
[12:48] <stdin> yacc: they are the 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu' lines
[12:48] <yacc> stdin, these are enabled?
[12:48] <danuthaiduc> flaccid: that question is so common that you made a bot for them?
[12:48] <stdin> yacc: if they don't start with a '#'
[12:48] <flaccid> danuthaiduc: it aint my bot
[12:49] <danuthaiduc> oh
[12:49] <avariya> danuthaiduc: My camera is not at list of supported camers and i want add it. How i can do this?
[12:49] <yacc> stdin, no they are not commented out.
[12:49] <danuthaiduc> avariya: i don't think you can
[12:49] <yacc> stdin, I've got Ubuntu lines for main, universe and multiverse in it.
[12:49] <flaccid> avariya: contact vendor and ask them to write a linux driver or google to see if by odd chance there is one not mentioned in the support doc
[12:49] <yacc> hardy-updates
[12:49] <avariya> flaccid: google cant' help me
[12:50] <stdin> yacc: open a term and put in "sudo apt-get update", or use whatever package manager to fetch the list of packages
[12:50] <flaccid> avariya: you cannot use something without a driver.
[12:50] <danuthaiduc> you could make one! :)
[12:50] <yacc> stdin, http://rafb.net/p/k0v7sU63.html
[12:50] <flaccid> could be the operative word
[12:50] <avariya> flaccid: but meybe someone know where i can wind it driver
[12:50] <flaccid> avariya: most likely one doesn't exist. this is the case for most webcams
[12:51] <Dr_willis> was this a webcam? or a normal camera?
[12:51] <avariya> flaccid: ok, but how i can contakt with vendor?
[12:51] <yacc> stdin, eeck, kubuntu-desktop wants to download 90MBs ;)
[12:51] <avariya> normal cam
[12:52] <danuthaiduc> google your vendor website, send them an e-mail
[12:52] <stdin> yacc: kubuntu-desktop installs a "default" kubuntu system, like would be installed from the CD
[12:52] <apparle> flaccid: the link you provided was for ubuntu not for kubuntu
[12:52] <stdin> yacc: we always assume you at least have that package, else you don't really have "kubuntu", but some strange gnome/kde mix
[12:53] <danuthaiduc> apparle: kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[12:53] <Dr_willis> avariya,  check the manuals - be sure theres not some sort of 'usb device mode' settings you can set for the camera. Most of them can appear as a usb hard drive.
[12:53] <yacc> stdin, that's fine, I'm not to much into the desktop customization thing, last time I did I ended up with ion3, emacs, urxvtcd & firefox as a desktop :)
[12:53] <flaccid> avariya: perhaps go to their website. i doubt they will say yes lol
[12:53] <flaccid> apparle: thats normal.
[12:54] <avariya> Dr_willis: kde write some problem. now i say rewrite this message
[12:56] <avariya> Connecting problem. Mistake message: Disk absent
[12:57] <Dr_willis> avariya,  Ive seen some cameras where you have to use their menus and enable a 'usb device' mode for them to be seen as a usb drive.
[12:58] <avariya> Dr_willis: how i can do it
[12:58] <avariya> ok. i'll try
[12:58] <Dr_willis> check your cameras docs, and menus/settings
[12:58] <flaccid> camera docs lol
[12:58] <Dr_willis> You could always put the memory card in some usb reader if all else fails.
[12:58] <Dr_willis> amazing what ya can learn in the docs.
[12:58] <apparle> flaccid: I know at least that much, and the link provides ubuntu specific information, so tell me what to do about kubuntu
[12:58] <Dr_willis> like what all those weird little icons on the screen mean. :)
[12:59] <danuthaiduc> does the google suggest drop-down thing in Konqueror work for you?
[13:00] <danuthaiduc> it shows a '2' to me
[13:00] <flaccid> apparle: they use the same packages, so you install the pkg with adept or apt-get
[13:01] <zipper> After installing the latest nvidia beta driver, my volume keys on my keyboard no longer works. The OSD-volume-picture-thingie doesn't even show up. The only change i can find that the nvidia-config changed in xorg (regarding keyboard) was adding the non-existing "CoreKeyboard" in ServerLayout. Tried removing it, but didn't make a difference. Any ideas?
[13:03] <flaccid> time to reboot; brb
[13:05] <Dr_willis> Gee  avariya, left and i found his answer...
[13:05] <sebastian_> how do i uninstall the kde 3.5 desktop?
[13:06] <Dr_willis> page 35  of the manual. That camera has a 'Pict Bridge' and a 'pc' mode
[13:11] <sebastian_> is there anyway to remove kde 3.5 if i am on kubuntu?
[13:11] <Dr_willis> sebastian_,  fire up the package manager and start removing things.
[13:12] <Dr_willis> there used to be a 'remove kde/remove gnome' web page that listed all the related packages
[13:12] <sebastian_> evrything from kde desktop environment?
[13:12] <Dr_willis> you wanting to keep kde4 only? or no kde at all
[13:13] <sebastian_> i have gnome now and i want to remove kde 3.5 and install kde 4
[13:13] <Dr_willis> given the state of kde4. you proberly dont want to remove all of kde3.
[13:14] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of kde3 apps/tools not yet in kde4
[13:14] <sebastian_> ya but i have gnome :P
[13:14] <sebastian_> and it is stable
[13:14] <danuthaiduc> but gnome tools can't configure kde
[13:15] <sebastian_> so what is the best way to remove all of kde 3.5?
[13:15] <Dr_willis> i mixx and match the gnome and kde tools. some of the config tools i like the gnome version better.
[13:15] <danuthaiduc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=126210
[13:16] <F-u-z-z-Y> Hi there, i am having problem mount samba shares in linux. I have it mounted and when i go into Storage Media and open the share it says permissions denied. Does my username need to in the Domain/User format?
[13:16] <sebastian_> ya but if i want a kde tool i just install it later
[13:16] <apparle> Can anyone here tell me the links for kubuntu restricted extras and all their dependencies
[13:16] <danuthaiduc> sebastian_: you have to remove all those packages
[13:18] <sebastian_> or i can do this sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[13:18] <Dr_willis> thats a meta-package and wont remove much
[13:18] <Dr_willis> try it and see
[13:18] <sebastian_> ok
[13:20] <Yarcanox> what is the newest kde version kubuntu supports?
[13:20] <Yarcanox> I got 4.0.3 here and apt-get always tells me that there is already the newest version installed (I did apt-get update before)
[13:20] <sebastian_> how do i install kde 4 now?
[13:20] <apparle> Yarcanox: I think 4.0.5
[13:22] <Yarcanox> sebastian_ I did apt-get install kdebase-kde4 to make it update it
[13:22] <sebastian_> ok thx
[13:22] <Yarcanox> and it tells me kdebase-kde4 is already the newest version
[13:22] <Yarcanox> how can I find out if it's really 4.0.5 I got installed?
[13:22] <Yarcanox> the terminal kde-about says it would be 4.0.3
[13:23] <sebastian_> now it removed 125 kde programs automaticlly :)
[13:24] <ocs> hi. i don't see "HP officejet pro k550" in the list of drivers for printers. where could i obtain it?
[13:25] <flaccid> ocs: ask HP
[13:25] <flaccid> or try google / linuxprinting.org
[13:28] <apparle> flaccid: the package for ubuntu and kubuntu is diffrent. --> for ubuntu there is ubuntu-restricted-extras and for kubuntu there is kubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:28] <helpy_> flaccid:  can you help with LAMP on kubuntu ?
[13:29] <helpy_> i have installed that. but unlike windows it doesnt have an icon where i can start or stop it
[13:29] <flaccid> apparle: correct. they provide different things specific to the DE
[13:29] <flaccid> helpy_: sure
[13:29] <flaccid> helpy_: system services in control panel or using terminal
[13:30] <helpy> system services ?
[13:30] <apparle> flaccid: So don't confuse me by saying that the packages are same
[13:30] <helpy> how does that work ?
[13:30] <flaccid> helpy: yes. its a stop/stop situation and of course on/off on startup
[13:30] <helpy> huh ?
[13:31] <nicola> hi
[13:31] <flaccid> apparle: i never said that. in this case the packages in question are specific to the DE. ubuntu and kubuntu share the same repositories. i never said what you claim
[13:31] <jussi01> helpy: whats up with your lamp?
[13:31] <flaccid> helpy: whats the actual problem?
[13:31] <helpy> nothing its working fine. i just dont seem to have a button like WAMP in windows that starts or shuts down LAMP
[13:32] <helpy> i can't access phpmyadmin either
[13:32] <flaccid> helpy: there isn't such thing in apache2 on linux
[13:32] <helpy> i installed joomla and i dont know how to add database to it
[13:32] <flaccid> helpy: you need to install and configure phpmyadmin if you want to use it
[13:32] <helpy> wat do you mean ?
[13:32] <apparle> flaccid: Sorry a little misunderstanding
[13:32] <flaccid> helpy:  you should probably learn some mysql and php etc.
[13:32] <helpy> i did install php, apache and mysql
[13:32] <helpy> i should ? i have my own joomla website flaccid
[13:32] <jussi01> helpy: have you been through the lapm tutorial?
[13:32] <apparle> anyone here with 8.04 32bit? Please
[13:33] <nicola> yes
[13:33] <jussi01> !lamp | helpy
[13:33] <fkefer> Hi all! i couln't find recent info on how to get ogg theora videos work in oo presentations with kubuntu; i do get gstreamer error messages though
[13:33] <helpy> yep. i just dont understand how it works in linux
[13:33] <flaccid> helpy: this isn't joomla or mysql support...
[13:33] <Dr_willis> apparle,  lots of us are using 32bit 8.04 kubuntu
[13:33] <sebastian> when i uninstalled the packages i stopped the kdm daemon now i cant log in to gnome
[13:33] <apparle> nicola: have you enabled all repositories
[13:33] <jussi01> helpy: its likely you will get better support for this in #ubuntu-server
[13:33] <nicola> all?
[13:33] <Dr_willis> sebastian,  install gdm, and/or use 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm'
[13:34] <helpy> you can't set up LAMP on desktop ?
[13:34] <helpy> i am using kubuntu desktop
[13:34] <apparle> Dr_willis: I will clarify 8.04 with 32bit with all repositories enabled. are you so
[13:34] <helpy> i have to develop webpages on a local server. why do i need to have a server version for it ?
[13:34] <flaccid> helpy: its sounds like its set up for you but you have application and language specific questions
[13:34] <flaccid> helpy: give me a specific error/problem, i'll help you with it...
[13:34] <Dr_willis> apparle,  I have about  are every repository i know of enabled.  is gthere a specific problem you are having?
[13:34] <flaccid> helpy: you don't need server version, but people in that chan help with server software
[13:34] <nicola> can you be a more precise?
[13:35] <helpy> oh ok
[13:35] <helpy> yea i told you its set up
[13:35] <flaccid> i can help too, but you are not giving any specific error/problem helpy
[13:35] <helpy> i go to www directory and run my php scripts, they work fine
[13:35]  * flaccid does this for a living heh
[13:35] <nicola> there's a lot of repository
[13:35] <helpy> you develop websites  ?
[13:35] <nicola> it depends what you are looking 4
[13:35] <flaccid> helpy: correct
[13:35] <apparle> Dr_willis: do you have 8.04 remix or normal
[13:36] <helpy> i just need commands or buttons to run or shut down LAMP
[13:36] <helpy> like in windows
[13:36] <helpy> when you run WAMP you can shut it down anytime through icon in taskbar
[13:36] <flaccid> helpy: this is not windows. like i said system services to control apache2 etc. or sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop for example
[13:36] <Dr_willis> apparle,  i normally insstall kubuntu, and then install ubuntu desktop. I dont use kde4 at this time.
[13:36] <flaccid> helpy:  like i told you before there is no icon!!!
[13:36] <danuthaiduc> helpy: you can make one
[13:36] <apparle> Dr_willis: butyou have the KDE4 repositories enabled??
[13:37] <helpy> how danuthaiduc  ?
[13:37] <nicola> ?
[13:37] <zipper> After installing the latest nvidia beta driver, my logitech ultraX keyboard's volume control buttons no longer work. The usual OSD-volume-thingie doesnt even show up anymore. The keyboard InputDevice section in xorg.conf have not been changed by the nvidia config. Any ideas?
[13:37] <danuthaiduc> flaccid told you there is a command
[13:37] <nicola> mmmm
[13:37] <helpy> ok let me try
[13:37] <danuthaiduc> "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop for example"
[13:37] <danuthaiduc> you can make shortcut with that command
[13:37] <nicola> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[13:37] <danuthaiduc> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start is the other one
[13:37] <helpy> command not found
[13:38] <Dr_willis> apparle,  kde4 is in the normal repos. the latest is in some other one i think. I dont use kde4. so most likely i donthave them enabled.
[13:38] <flaccid> danuthaiduc: ?
[13:38] <Dr_willis> !kde4
[13:38] <flaccid> sure you can make a shortcut to any file
[13:38] <nicola> kde4,dev
[13:38] <flaccid> danuthaiduc: i don't know what your point is at all
[13:39] <sebastian> Dr_willis: i have gdm as default now, but i can't log in to gnome there is no option.
[13:39] <danuthaiduc> flaccid: a desktop icon with the command
[13:39] <Dr_willis> option? check the session menu item?
[13:39] <danuthaiduc> he wanted an icon
[13:39] <sebastian> there is no session meny
[13:39] <Dr_willis> sebastian,  could be you dont have all of gnome installed.
[13:39] <sebastian> menu
[13:39] <flaccid> danuthaiduc: yes and i told him there isn't one in the pkg. of course you can create one, i never said you couldn't so back off
[13:39] <Dr_willis> sebastian,  you are using some odd gnome gdm theme then. there should be some menu.
[13:40] <danuthaiduc> ok :/
[13:40] <apparle> nicola: do you use remix
[13:40] <Dr_willis> sebastian,  or you could make a .xinitrc file with the line 'gnome-session' and run 'startx' from the command line
[13:40] <nicola> no
[13:40] <nicola> common k repo
[13:40] <nicola> I am running 4 beta2 from offcial backport repo
[13:40] <nicola> what are you looking for?
[13:41] <apparle> the repo for person using KDE3 and KDE4 are diffrent???
[13:41] <sebastian> can't i change to kdm? becuase i had the session option there
[13:41] <Dr_willis> sebastian,  you uninstalled it earlier i think...
[13:41] <nicola> should be I guess
[13:41] <apparle> nicola: Can I send private msg
[13:41] <gnomefreak> sebastian: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[13:41] <nicola> yep
[13:41] <nicola> ok
[13:41] <gnomefreak> sebastian: that will allow you to use kdm
[13:42] <gnomefreak> not sure if you need a 4 in ther efor kde4
[13:42] <nicola> I mean should not be
[13:42] <Dr_willis> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm, or gdm.,   should get you a menu where you pick what one to use.
[13:42] <sebastian> : kdm is broken or not fully installed
[13:42] <Dr_willis> with kde4 theres a kdm4 i think also.
[13:42] <sebastian> i hot that message
[13:42] <Dr_willis> !find kdm4
[13:42] <flaccid> !info kdm-kde4
[13:42] <Dr_willis> You could find/install kde4's kdm if you want to use kde4
[13:43] <sebastian> ok
[13:43] <zipper> After installing the latest nvidia beta driver, my keyboard's volume control buttons no longer work. The usual OSD-volume-thingie doesnt even show up anymore. The keyboard InputDevice section in xorg.conf have not been changed by the nvidia config. I tried mapping the volume keys to "something" in khotkeys - but they were not being registered. Any ideas? (Logitech UltraX usb keyboard)
[13:43] <flaccid> you can still use kdm (kde3) for kde4 if you wanted anyway
[13:45] <sebastian> i think i just change back to mandriva
[13:46]  * Dr_willis just blinks blankly
[13:46] <flaccid> cool
[13:47] <sebastian> Dr_willis: thx for all the help ;)
[13:47] <Dr_willis> good luck.. go drive #mandriva crazy!
[13:47] <Dr_willis> heh
[13:47] <sebastian> maby i change back later :P
[13:47] <Dr_willis> 'disrto hopping' a Linux Addiction. :)
[13:48] <sebastian> 1 more question u know windows media player when u rate music and reinstall it still know what songs was rated, is there a way to do that in amarok?
[13:49] <Dr_willis> save your .kde dir  - all the configs should be in there somewhere. I imagine
[13:49] <flaccid> sebastian: yeah its stored in your ~/.kde/..
[13:49] <sebastian> ok
[13:49] <sebastian> thx
[13:49] <sebastian> cause thats what i hate when changing distro to re-rate all music :p
[13:50] <nicola> quit
[13:50] <martin_mdp> hi! how do i do to set a root pwd different from my own user password??
[13:51] <stdin> martin_mdp: why would you need/want to?
[13:51] <flaccid> !root | martin_mdp
[13:51] <martin_mdp> TNX!!!!!
[13:51] <danuthaiduc> nice :)
[13:51] <Dr_willis> martin_mdp,  you may want to check out http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/05/09/a-root-shell-on-ubuntu-the-right-way/  also
[13:52] <martin_mdp> stdin: you're the one who compiled the kde4.1b2 don't you? excle
[13:52] <Dr_willis> it gives some of the background  on how ubuntu differs  on the 'root' issue
[13:53] <martin_mdp> excellent i mean ;) - well you'll see, when i tried other distros they asked for a root pwd along user specific pwd, then some action could be done by entering user actions but most important only by entering root pwd
[13:53] <martin_mdp> so i presume that having both pwds would be 'safer' in some way
[13:54] <flaccid> martin_mdp: root is not enabled out of box.
[13:54] <martin_mdp> anyways, tnxs a lot for your aid ppl!
[13:54] <martin_mdp> flaccid: yes, i see that, and that's good or bad? ufw is not enabled out-of-box too but i would like it is
[13:55] <flaccid> its good because of many reasons
[13:56] <martin_mdp> flaccid: oh yes, i see, why you have a root account active ALL THE TIME while you just can activate it specifically only when needed? yeah, great
[13:56] <Dr_willis> !firewall
[13:56] <geega> how to get the theme manager..
[13:56] <geega> just installed but couldn't see in the system settings
[13:57] <Kirschwasser> How can I restart kded after it has chrashed without restarting kde?
[13:58] <martin_mdp> guys, since you're so kind, what do you say -what are your politics- about checking the box to allow download of "Updates not yet published"?? (i have a spanish system)
[13:58] <flaccid> martin_mdp: um, you dont have it enabled at all. the main argument is that instead of just brute-forcing the root password which is a fixed username, the attacker has to guess both the username and password to gain root access
[13:59] <martin_mdp> flaccid: TNX :D
[14:00] <zipper> After installing nvidia driver 173.14.09, my keyboard's volume control buttons no longer work. The usual OSD-volume-thingie doesnt even show up anymore. The keyboard InputDevice section in xorg.conf have not been changed by the nvidia config. I tried mapping the volume keys to "something" in khotkeys - but they were not being registered. Any ideas? (Logitech UltraX usb keyboard)
[14:01] <flaccid> np
[14:02] <martin_mdp> zipper: hi there, i'm new to linux but i have an alike experience while trying out fedora 9, may be the LATEST nvidia driver is not supported in your current kernel
[14:03] <martin_mdp> ask here how to check driver and kernel versions at konsole, theres a simple command i can't remember now...
[14:03] <zipper> Hmm, i doubt that, since 3d accelleration works great
[14:03] <zipper> uname can show you version of your kernel
[14:03] <zipper> 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP
[14:03] <martin_mdp> i'm out boy xD
[14:04] <zipper> okay =/
[14:04] <zipper> thx anyway
[14:07] <ct529> I found where the problem lies
[14:10] <martin_mdp> what do you say about checking the box to allow download of "Updates not yet published"?? (i have a spanish system)
[14:23] <jramskov> Question: I'm running the KDE 4.1 beta packages (installed on a standard kubuntu 8.04) but I don't get a taskbar - how do I get that?
[14:23] <engineer> kicker &
[14:23] <jramskov> thx
[14:24] <ds187> jramskov: you could try starting "kicker"
[14:24] <Dr_willis> kde4 still uses kicker?
[14:24] <ds187> too slow :-(
[14:24] <Dr_willis> i though kicker got replaced
[14:24] <jramskov> yeah, that's the old one
[14:24] <ds187> Dr_willis: kicker4 perhaps :-)
[14:25] <muesli> no, there's no kicker anymore
[14:25] <muesli> it's all in plasma now
[14:25] <muesli> also "plasma" is the binary name for your desktop and the taskbar
[14:26] <Dr_willis> i thoughkicker got replaced by a plasmid widget thing
[14:27] <jramskov> plasma is running
[14:28] <martin_mdp> see ya guys :D
[14:29] <jramskov> ugh! Firefox is ugly in KDE 4 :(
[14:30] <jussi01> yes, it is
[14:31] <jramskov> can I do anything to make it slightly less ugly?
[14:32] <jussi01> not that ive come across
[14:32] <jussi01> use konq or arora?
[14:33] <jramskov> ok :(
[14:33] <jussi01> arora http://code.google.com/p/arora/
[14:33] <jussi01> :)
[14:33] <jussi01> cant wait till that develops more fully
[14:34] <jramskov> interesting
[14:34] <reese_> hi! I need the following file, but don't know which package contains it: /usr/liblibgdk_pixbuf-2.0.l
[14:34] <jramskov> though I quite like FF3
[14:34] <jussi01> jramskov: but #kubuntu-kde4 is really the place to discus kde4 stuff
[14:35] <jramskov> jussi01: ahhh
[14:35] <jramskov> thx
[14:35] <jussi01> :)
[14:35] <MrKennie> is it me or do mp3's sound scratchy compared to vorbis?
[14:35] <jussi01> !find libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.l
[14:35] <jussi01> reese: ^^
[14:35] <reese_> * usr/liblibgdk_pixbuf-2.0.la
[14:35] <geega> how to find the kde version
[14:36] <jussi01> !version
[14:36] <Dr_willis> most all kde apps have a about... menu item somewhere
[14:36] <geega> haah
[14:36] <geega> it is showing 3.5.8
[14:37] <geega> but i upgraded to kde4
[14:37] <geega> how to activate that :)
[14:38] <Dr_willis> You did login ti kde4 from the kdm login sessions?
[14:38] <geega> there is it not listing at all
[14:38] <genii> geega: Did you reboot since you upgraded?
[14:38] <Dr_willis> you may need to restart kdm.
[14:38] <geega> yes
[14:39] <MrKennie> don;t forget to select kde4 in the session type list
[14:49]  * genii sips his coffee
[14:49] <genii> Hopefully I'll be awake sometime soon
[14:51]  * MrKennie yawns
[14:53] <x-X-x> i
[15:02] <skroon> hi
[15:02] <skroon> can anyone help me with a error message in "Keep"?
[15:03] <skroon> seems to be more of a stack trace, actually
[15:05] <skroon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23122/
[15:12] <monvoisin> ya des filles
[15:17] <zipper> On a fresh install of kubuntu i get this error whenever i try to select a html file in dophin : The desktop entry file /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop has an invalid menu entry addAsPodcast
[15:17] <zipper> how to fix?
[15:18] <dwidmann> zipper: well, if you don't use that particular service menu, you could rm the file ... let me see if I can find my valid one first thoug
[15:18] <dwidmann> wait, I removed d3lphin a long time ago ... forgot about that
[15:21] <rohan> anyone having sound problems with the latest kernel update in hardy? now in my laptop sound doesn't automute. it works everywhere in all other distros, and worked before this kernel update too.
[15:22] <rohan> i'm specifically talking about this image - 2.6.24-19.34
[15:23] <rohan> and tragedy is that i've deleted the older kernel, so i've got no way of checking
[15:24] <genii> That addaspodcst thing is an old known bug
[15:24] <rohan> genii: ah yes, i've got that bug too. any workarounds?
[15:25] <genii> Looking
[15:25] <ezzzam_> can i join
[15:25] <rohan> ezzzam_: you just did ;)
[15:25] <ezzzam_> ok thx
[15:26] <zipper> dwidmann, hmm okay.... What do you use instead then?
[15:26] <genii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/199393
[15:26] <dwidmann> zipper: dolphin :)
[15:27] <dwidmann> dolphin >>>>>> d3lphin
[15:27] <zipper> dwidmann, hmm? d3lphin and dolphin is the same thing no?
[15:27] <jussio1> yes
[15:27] <dwidmann> no.
[15:27] <zipper> Oo
[15:27] <flaccid> i think i might comment on that bug
[15:27] <jussio1> !dolphin
[15:28] <dwidmann>  Dolphin: 1.0.99
[15:28] <zipper> flaccid, go for it
[15:28] <zipper> maybe i should file a bug report somewhere?
[15:28] <dwidmann> D3lphin: 0.9.2
[15:28] <flaccid> there already is one
[15:28] <ezzzam_> really i m new in this symste
[15:28] <zipper> oh okay
[15:28] <rohan> could anyone tell me how to install older kernel in ubuntu? older than 2.6.24-19.34 . i'm having sound issues in that one.
[15:29] <genii> rohan: Just hit ESC when grub starts then choose an earlier kernel from the list
[15:29] <rohan> genii: i deleted the older kernel.
[15:29] <dwidmann> rohan: you could probably download one of the older packages from archives.ubuntu.com, you'll have to go there in your browser though, you won't be able to apt-get it.
[15:30] <flaccid> updated: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/199393
[15:30] <pteague_work> is there some special shortcut in kubuntu for ctrl+shift+u ?  it seems to be 1 of the very few keyboard shortcuts i can't get to map things to
[15:30] <rohan> dwidmann: ah ok, thanks
[15:31] <zipper> I need the kernel module evdev - How do i check if i have this module? Or does anyone know if its already there in a fresh install of the latest kubuntu?
[15:31] <dwidmann> rohan: probably something like pool/l/linux-source/ or such
[15:32] <rohan> dwidmann: nice idea man :) thanks
[15:32] <rohan> dwidmann: unfortunately, no linux-source for 2.6.24 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/
[15:33] <dwidmann> rohan: I think the linux-image-* packages go in that folder ... however, I thought you wanted an older kernel, like 2.6.22?
[15:34] <rohan> dwidmann: ah it's now in pool/main/l/linux. found it. thanks :)
[15:35] <rohan> no old version of -19 package there. the latest available is -19.34
[15:36] <dwidmann> rohan: old ones are deleted after release I think
[15:36] <dwidmann> rohan:  you'll probably have to go with an older one like 2.6.22
[15:36] <Gigadelic_IIDX> maybe i canget some help here
[15:36] <Gigadelic_IIDX> is there a commandline so i can change a files and folders to the right group?
[15:37] <rohan> dwidmann: no, i'll have to make do with 2.6.24-18 i guess :)
[15:38] <dwidmann> ooh, it's still there then, you're lucky :)
[15:39] <rohan> ;)
[15:39] <rohan> thanks for the help, i'll have to reboot to complete the install
[15:39] <rohan> bye :)
[15:39] <dwidmann> bye
[15:57] <zipper> !flash
[15:58] <RiotingPacifist> has anybody played kq lives?
[16:07] <dwidmann> Okay, so I've got a multifunction printer that can do CDs, I can easily select which tray to print to with cups, so i just select the cd printing tray, so the problem arises in that I need some sort of template so that I can "hit" the cd when I try to print. Does anybody know anything that might be of use to me?
[16:08] <albi> ciao
[16:08] <albi> !list
[16:08] <shempal> caio
[16:09] <shempal> anybody from Persia here?
[16:11] <dwidmann> Not me .... though there are certainly people from all over the world here on a regular basis :)
[16:13] <shempal> this is frist time I am here
[16:13] <shempal> don't know what's going on
[16:14] <lullideath> my first time here too
[16:14] <shempal> then we are strangers hanging out
[16:14] <lullideath> lol
[16:14] <shempal> I should say Hi, how are you doing?
[16:15] <lullideath> not bad,u?
[16:15] <shempal> a little bit tired.
[16:16] <lullideath> i just switched back to kde
[16:17] <shempal> wellcome back home!!
[16:18] <lullideath> :D
[16:18] <shempal> where are you from?
[16:18] <lullideath> just change Sigma system monitor to fit my eeep
[16:18] <lullideath> eeepc*
[16:19] <lullideath> i am from china, u?
[16:19] <shempal> pretty close to you
[16:19] <shempal> living in Malaysia
[16:19] <lullideath> cool
[16:20] <shempal> gotta go man
[16:20] <shempal> take care and have fun with KDE
[16:20] <shempal> ;)
[16:20] <lullideath> KDE is inspiring, love it
[16:21] <joe3177> hi is someone there to help me understand this software
[16:22] <joe3177> hi lis
[16:22] <lullideath> what software are you trying to understand?
[16:23] <joe3177> kubuntu software pleace
[16:25] <joe3177> pleace i am new to linux and i need some basic of how to use it and install
[16:26] <joe3177> i need basic commands on linux
[16:29] <v0lksman> hey all!  anyone know where I can get a deb for ktorrent 3.1 for 8.04?
[16:30] <ralf_> v0lksman, did you try "sudo apt-get install ktorrent" ?
[16:30] <stdin> it'll probably get packaged when kde 4.1 comes out
[16:31] <v0lksman> ralf_: yeah...its older 2.X series...
[16:31] <v0lksman> stdin: I don't wanna wait... ;)  I tried to build my own package but it seems things a little different with KDE packages...(total n00b when it comes to packaging)...
[16:32] <helpy> anyone knows about kernel ?
[16:32] <helpy> can you upgrade kernel ?
[16:32] <v0lksman> ah well...I'll keep working at the package...jdong used to build packages from milestone releases but he's disappeared...
[16:32] <stdin> helpy: kernel updates come like any other updates via the package manager
[16:33] <helpy> so when i run apt-get update, it updates everything?
[16:33] <stdin> 'apt-get dist-upgrade' will
[16:33] <helpy> is that safe ?
[16:33] <stdin> safe as any other update
[16:34] <ralf_> i would not do that =P
[16:34] <helpy> i see a recovery mode at start
[16:34] <helpy> whats that ?
[16:34] <stdin> helpy: it logs you into a text-only mode as root so you can fix your system if something goes wrong
[16:34] <adflinux> hey  hi!!!!!!!!!!11
[16:34] <adflinux> alguien de VEracruz
[16:34] <adflinux> !!!!!!!!!!!!11
[16:35] <helpy> you need to be proficient with commands for that
[16:35] <helpy> dont you ?
[16:35] <stdin> well, you need to know how to navigate the cli, yes
[16:35] <helpy> how do you fix that anyways?
[16:35] <stdin> you could also just load the Live CD and mount your root from there to have a GUI
[16:35] <helpy> i am interested in backin up my linux
[16:35] <helpy> but i have no idea how to do that
[16:36] <stdin> !backup
[16:36] <helpy> i dont have cd
[16:36] <helpy> i have installed via wubi
[16:38] <adflinux> SPEAK SPANISCH!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????
[16:38] <genii> !es | adflinux
[16:39] <TimS> !kde4
[16:39] <genii> adflinux: #ubuntu-br Brasil
[16:39] <adflinux> OKOKO
[16:39] <adflinux> MUCHAS
[16:39] <adflinux> GRACIAS
[16:52] <lulu> salut
[16:53] <ubuntu_> Anyone able to help with grub?
[16:54] <lulu> is there french people here?
[16:54] <Jahromeo> non
[16:54] <jussi01> !anyone | ubuntu
[16:54] <Jahromeo> !french
[16:54] <lulu> thanks
[16:54] <Jahromeo> merci
[16:54] <Jahromeo> arvoir
[16:54] <lulu> salut
[16:55] <lulu> est ce que les jeux fonctionnent avec wine?
[16:55] <eagles0513875> !fr | lulu
[16:56] <platius> Jahromeo, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto   you might look here.
[16:57] <RiotingPacifist> !silverlight
[16:57] <RiotingPacifist> !moonlight
[16:57] <eagles0513875> !info moonlight
[16:58] <eagles0513875> RiotingPacifist: that what you wanted
[16:58] <helpy> how do i install tar.gz package
[16:58] <eagles0513875> helpy: extract it
[16:58] <helpy> homebackup won't work. how do i install it from tar.gz ? i have extracted it in a folder on desktop
[16:58] <helpy> i already have
[16:58] <eagles0513875> helpy: is it source
[16:58] <helpy> can't see an executable on it
[16:58] <eagles0513875> helpy: on linux you wont
[16:59] <helpy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHomeBackup?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-home-backup-0.1.tar.gz
[16:59] <eagles0513875> helpy: you trying to install it from source
[16:59] <RiotingPacifist> i was hoping for a guide on how to install it, but i dont think there is one (well not in ubotu anyway)
[16:59] <helpy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHomeBackup
[16:59] <eagles0513875> helpy: have you tried searching in the repos for it
[17:00] <helpy> it didnt work through terminal
[17:00] <eagles0513875> helpy: try this in terminal
[17:00] <eagles0513875> helpy: you on ubuntu or kubuntu
[17:00] <helpy> kubutu
[17:00] <helpy> kubuntu
[17:01] <eagles0513875> helpy:
[17:01] <eagles0513875> ok
[17:01] <eagles0513875> open the konsole = terminal (konsole kde name)
[17:01] <helpy> i have
[17:02] <eagles0513875> helpy: run the following sudo build-dep (name of pkg here)
[17:02] <helpy> whats the package name ?
[17:02] <helpy> ubuntubackuphome ?
[17:02] <eagles0513875> ya
[17:03] <jussi01> sudo apt-get build-dep maybe?
[17:03] <eagles0513875> helpy: go into the folder that u extracted and run that command
[17:03] <eagles0513875> jussi01: thanks
[17:04] <jussi01> !u > eagles0513875
[17:04] <Jahromeo> can anyone assist me with this : http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1854079#post1854079
[17:04] <Jahromeo> its a grub issue
[17:04] <Jahromeo> but its really long so i posted a link
[17:04] <eagles0513875> jussi01: thanks again
[17:04]  * eagles0513875 smacks self with trout
[17:04] <eagles0513875> helpy: whats it doing
[17:04] <helpy> how do i do that ?
[17:05] <eagles0513875> helpy: where did u save the source
[17:05] <eagles0513875> to the desktop
[17:06] <jussi01> !grub | Jahromeo, follow the lost grub advice here
[17:26]  * genii sips his coffee
[17:29]  * eagles0513875 pulls out shotgun
[17:34] <tzanger> good afternoon, I have a question regarding the kde desktop... new user, kde desktop contains all the directories from /
[17:35] <oblenob> woohoo
[17:35] <oblenob> I am in :)
[17:36] <oblenob> I  have finally got Kubuntu up and running :)
[17:57] <wimpies> i want to run a command when the ethernet board comes up.  I checked ifup/down and added a script only to find out that apparently eth0 is not upped that way.  Where is the proper place to put a script like that ?
[18:05] <corinth> How do I reconfigure my Ubuntu to use the KDE login screen instead?
[18:05] <genii> wimpies: In /etc/network the directories of if-down.d  if-post-down.d  if-pre-up.d  if-up.d      contain things to do before,during and after bringing an interface up
[18:06] <genii> Or down, as well
[18:08] <genii> corinth: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[18:08] <genii> corinth: Choose kdm for login manager there
[18:08] <wimpies> genii : yes I thought that too but the interfaces files does not conain any reference to eth0 but still the card is upped properly
[18:09] <corinth> Thanks genii, I was trying to use sudo dpkg --reconfigure kdm , just guessing. Hehe. Thanks, again.
[18:10] <genii> wimpies: When there is no entry in the file /etc/network/interfaces    for instance, the networkmanager automatically brings them up using whatever it uses and bypassing the stuff in that directory
[18:11] <wimpies> OK, so if I want to run a command should I set it up in the if-up-down location or should I use the network manager ?
[18:13] <jp88> genii: Yo bro im back
[18:15] <genii> wimpies: You could run network-manager in a way like:     knetworkmanager & <scriptnamehere> &             or put a script into /etc/rc.local    or else manually configure the interface in /etc/network/interfaces (bypassing network manager) and then it uses the other scripts I mentioned in same directory there
[18:15] <genii> jp88: Hiya.
[18:16] <jp88> genii: was comsidering reinstalling...but i am hoping there another solution. Damn stupid grub error 15
[18:16] <genii> jp88: OK so on livecd just now?
[18:16] <jp88> on windows at moment
[18:17] <jp88> genii: gonna get laptop quick 1 sec. then i will boot into livecd
[18:18] <genii> jp88: I'm back and forth to work here. So if I don't respond for a long time don't assume I've forgotten or abandoned you, just that work needs me for a time.
[18:20] <Meradim> moin
[18:20] <jp88> genii: kk
[18:20] <zipper> Anyone got experience with evrouter? Or managed to remap the "+" and "-" keys on a logitech mx518 mouse? (the ones to increase/decrease resolution of the mouse). I found a guide on how to remap those keys with evrouter, but i must be doing something wrong since they are not re-mapped (or being used at all). Xev cannot register any input from the mouse when i press those buttons either. Any ideas?
[18:22] <jp88> genii: Im in ubutu now
[18:26] <genii> jp88: OK please pastebin result of:   sudo fdisk -l       so I can remember which drive it is we need to work on again :)
[18:30] <genii> jp88: Welcome back :)
[18:31] <alxju> hi! I use FF3 and Thunderbird with kubuntu 8.04. Mailto link doesnt work... what can i do (about:config/ mailto is yet configured to /usr/bin/thunderbid; thunderbird is set a my default mail app in kde..)
[18:31] <jp88> genii: will post link soon
[18:37] <jp89> http://pastebin.com/d276c8cb4 fdisk
[18:37] <genii> Reading
[18:38] <alxju> nobody use firefox and thunderbird ?
[18:39] <luis> use firefox is very good
[18:39] <genii> jp89: OK. So then:   sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt                then see if you can list any files off the old drive in that directory of /mnt   with: ls /mnt            just tell me if it lists anything or not, don't paste the result of the command :)
[18:41] <alxju> and, luis: do you kno how to open mailto link to thunderbird (using firefox) ?
[18:41] <jp89> the first command gives me an error
[18:43] <jp89> http://pastebin.com/d3ec03959
[18:43] <Barracuda> Hi Guys
[18:44] <genii> jp89: Put a space there in between sda1 and /mnt
[18:44] <Barracuda> I am trying to install Kubuntu 8.04
[18:44] <jp89> says already mounted according to mtab
[18:44] <Barracuda> and trying to do manual partition the harddisk...What are some of the basis partition I must create to make Kubuntu run smoothly?
[18:45] <eagles0513875> what do i need to install when running!kernel
[18:45] <eagles0513875> !kernel
[18:45] <jp89> genii: ran ls /mnt and got a list of files
[18:46] <Barracuda> I know I have to create / and make it primary but not sure what else to create after that??
[18:47] <genii> jp89: Good. Then we can get to the tricky parts now :) To avoid typos, copy from my lines here right into konsole.
[18:47] <jp89> kk
[18:48] <genii> jp89: echo "hostname" | sudo tee /mnt/etc/hostname;sudo cp /etc/network/interfaces /mnt/etc/network/;sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/
[18:48] <genii> jp89: Let me know after that one runs
[18:48] <jp89> done
[18:48] <jp89> said hostname
[18:49] <genii> jp89: Great. Next.
[18:49] <genii> jp89: cat /etc/hosts | sed "s/`cat /etc/hostname`/`cat /mnt/etc/hostname`/" | sudo tee /mnt/etc/hosts
[18:49] <jp89> k done
[18:49] <genii> jp89: Next
[18:50] <genii> jp89: sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev;sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys;sudo mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc
[18:50] <jp89> was something meant to happen
[18:52] <genii> jp89: Not yet
[18:52] <jp89> k
[18:52] <jp89> next
[18:52] <joan> hello
[18:52] <genii> jp89: Now we should be ready to make the old partition into our current root filesystem by:     sudo chroot /mnt
[18:53] <jp89> k im now root
[18:53] <genii> jp89: After that command, whatever you do there affects the partition. So we want to install some usable kernel image in there.
[18:53] <jp89> kool
[18:55] <genii> jp89: eg:    sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-18-generic                     (since the last one seemed to be the problemmatic one)
[18:55] <genii> jp89: I forgot no "sudo" in this case is needed since we are root there. But it should not affect the command
[18:55] <_CrashMaster_> Is there anything nifty in the xorg updates?
[18:55] <jp89> do i use the command or is that just an eg
[18:56] <jp89> ok ok i get it
[18:56] <genii> jp89: You were running Hardy yes?
[18:56] <jp89> yes
[18:56] <genii> jp89: Then:   apt-get update; apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-18-generic
[18:57] <jp89> k it running
[18:57] <genii> jp89: Pastebin any errors. I'll be back in a minute or 3
[18:57] <jp89> k
[18:58] <jp89> genii: http://pastebin.com/d91de253 error
[19:00] <jp89> genii: http://pastebin.com/d772e2fe0 full list + error
[19:02] <genii> jp89: Back. Reading your pastebin
[19:02] <jp89> genii: check both
[19:04] <genii> jp89: The cdrom is listed in your sources.list file. So in this case we must comment it out. By:     nano /etc/apt/sources.list                     and then put a # in front of the lines on top which have the word "cdrom" or so in them. Then ctrl-x to exit. Press Y key when it asks to save. Then just Enter key when it wants the filename. Thenretry the previous command of:  apt-get update; apt-get install sudo apt-get update; sudo
[19:04] <genii> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-18-generic
[19:05] <genii> Bah
[19:05] <genii> jp89: apt-get update; apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-18-generic                                           rather is the right one :)
[19:06] <jp89> error opening terminal: xterm
[19:06] <jp89> when i run the nano command
[19:07] <genii> jp89: OK. So in the livecd, do:    alt-f2   then: kdesu kate /mnt/etc/apt/sources.list
[19:09] <genii> jp89: Change it from there and save. Then back in the chroot, do: apt-get update                     then the suggested: dpkg --configure -a             then once more:  apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-18-generic
[19:10]  * genii sips his coffee
[19:10] <jp89> the command isnt suited to ubuntu
[19:11] <jp89> the app not found
[19:11] <genii> jp89: Ah. On the alt-f2?
[19:12] <jp89> sorry. thought ctrl-alt-f2
[19:12] <jp89> this one tells me unable to load file
[19:12] <jp89> :'(
[19:13] <nalioth> anyone got a minute to help me with konqueror servicemenus ?
[19:13] <genii> jp89: If ubuntu cd and not kubuntu cd then do instead:  alt-f2 gksu gedit /mnt/etc/apt/sources.list                     otherwise the kubuntu way is still: alt-f2 kdesu kate /mnt/etc/apt/sources.list
[19:13] <jp89> alt-f2 doesnt work by me
[19:14] <genii> jp89: Click anyplace on desktop there is no window open (like Konsole for instance)   then hit alt-f2 which should open a little box to type in the name of something to run
[19:15] <jp89> tried on another session still no luck
[19:15] <pim> What is the correct way to use grep to find running processes?
[19:15] <eagles0513875> pim: just use top
[19:15] <pim> And how do I do that?
[19:16] <genii> jp89: "another session" ?
[19:16] <eagles0513875> pim: lists running proesses in that are running
[19:16] <eagles0513875> pim: ps does it as well
[19:17] <jp89> i meant a different screen
[19:17] <jp89> the one on the right
[19:17] <eagles0513875> pim: open konsole and type in either ps or top
[19:17] <jp89> but alt-f2 doesnt work
[19:17] <pim> I see
[19:18] <pim> ps doesn't give me much, top is much better I think
[19:18] <genii> jp89: OK. So open a new Konsole. Leave the chroot one there for a moment. In the new Konsole write:  kdesu kate /mnt/etc/apt/sources.list
[19:18] <genii> And hit Enter
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> pim: try ps -ef | grep <some text>
[19:19] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: hey
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> yo eagles0513875
[19:19] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: how are  ya
[19:19] <genii> jp89: Did that open the gui text editor with the right file in it?
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: i gave up on trying to get ktorrent through webmin
[19:20] <eagles0513875> pim: btw top is more live kinda processes constantly updating
[19:20] <jp89> err no. went through mu computer and got to the file
[19:21] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: O_o
[19:21] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: webmin isnt for ktorrent
[19:22] <genii> jp89: The problem: If you just open up kate and try to edit that file, it won't work. It needs to be run with admin rights. Which means to have kdesu or kdesuo in front of the command. Or if in gnome and not kde then gksu or gksudo in front of the appname of gedit
[19:22] <jriopka> hello all
[19:22] <jriopka> anyone know of a socionics irc room?
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: i wanted it to connect to the web interface and show the screen rather than opening 2 ports
[19:22] <genii> jp89: Please try not to improvise :)
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> genii: is there a difference between kdesu and kdesudo???
[19:23] <pim> can I also scroll down the list with processes using top?
[19:23] <jp89> when i try it says gtk warning **: cannot open display: :0.0
[19:23] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: never heard of kdesudo only kdesu
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> pim: id use ps -ef with grep so you get something intelligent
[19:23] <eagles0513875> pim: should be able to
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: i know of both but use kdesudo
[19:24] <pim> How?
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> pim: what are yuo trying to achieve??
[19:24] <martijn81> hey, can someone tell me why i have no plugins in the lastest KTorrent-kde4 package from the repo's?
[19:24] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: she said top yields more information
[19:24] <pim> ActionParsnip nothing special, I'm trying to figure out how to show processes etc.
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> martin_mdp: plugins for what?
[19:24] <jp89> what if i log in as root. wont that work
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> jp89: dont log in as root
[19:25] <jp89> k
[19:25] <martijn81> ActionParsnip: plugins for everything, i only have the queue manager tab in infowidget at the moment, no wait i do not even have the info widget there....
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> martin_mdp: you on about in configure ktorrent and you enable stuff??
[19:27] <martijn81> ActionParsnip: yeah, but the plugin page is missing ALL of it's plugins womehow
[19:27] <martijn81> somehow
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> martin_mdp: ahh i see
[19:27] <martin_mdp> ActionParsnip: hi there, never used Ktorrent, but let meknow
[19:27] <genii> ActionParsnip: Yes, there is a difference. kdesu you can run the app as any arbitrary user. not specified user means root. kdesudo only can run it as root
[19:29] <genii> ActionParsnip: He has a chrooted old kubuntu partition there. So he realy can't help being on as root there. The other one is the livecd which is also not that well secured from root login either.
[19:29] <martijn81> ActionParsnip: i tried to get along with this by requesting an update for KTorrent here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent-kde4/+bug/234514  , but nobody have seemed to respond to that.
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> martin_mdp: /usr/lib64/kde4/  maybe
[19:29] <pim> Lets say that I typed sudo lshw, how can I scroll up and down through the list?
[19:29] <martin_mdp> see ya folks
[19:30] <genii> jp89: OK. So in the second Konsole (not the one with the chroot running) try from there:   sudo nano /mnt/etc/apt/sources.list
[19:30] <stdin> pim: sudo lshw | less
[19:31] <pim> stdin thanks, but can't I just scroll freely?
[19:31] <yurimxpxman> where's the kde 4 wallpaper stored? I'd like to use it in kde 3
[19:31] <jp89> k im in
[19:32] <martijn81> ActionParsnip: sorry, that does not say me anything
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: some folks have accidentally compiled to there
[19:32] <stdin> pim: shift + PgUp/Down should work too, but it depends on the buffer your terminal has to how much you can scroll
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: they may be in there
[19:32] <genii> jp89: Good. So remember:  put a # in front of the few lines at top where it has something like "cdrom" in the line. Then ctrl-x to exit. Then Y key when asked to save. Then Enter key to have same filename.
[19:32] <pim> stdin thanks
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: i'd uninstall and purge then reinstall
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: just do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get --purge remove ktorrent; sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[19:33] <genii> jp89: Then close that second Konsole and go back to the one in which chroot is running.
[19:33] <jp89> k
[19:33] <martijn81> ActionParsnip: thanks, but i already tried that; then i have the same error as you can read here: http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2502&highlight=automoc
[19:33] <martijn81> hey thanks, will do that too man!
[19:34] <pim> stdin actually just using sudo lshw|less allowes you to scroll up and down as well
[19:34] <genii> jp89: Back in the chroot, do: apt-get update                     then the suggested: dpkg --configure -a             then once more:  apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-18-generic
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: dont specify kde4 when you install just put ktorrent
[19:34] <stdin> pim: yeah, less replaces the terminals buffer so you can view huge files
[19:35] <martijn81> ActionParsnip: no i want the kde4 version :D
[19:35] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: uninstall ktorrent-kde4 and install ktorrent
[19:35] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: it may give you what you need, make a choice
[19:35] <martijn81> ActionParsnip: weird thing,  is that this package has worked for me before
[19:35] <martijn81> ok
[19:36] <pim> Hm strange I was suddenly logged out, is that normal?
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: i use kde4 upgraded from kde3 and have no issues, if you did the same you have kde3 libs it will use
[19:36]  * genii sips his coffee and waits for a progress report from jp89
[19:36] <Meradim> hi
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> !hi | Meradim
[19:36] <jp89> lol still busy running dpkg
[19:37] <martijn81> ActionParsnip: i do not believe i am able todo such thing ;)
[19:37] <yurimxpxman> do any of you know where the default kde 4 kubuntu wallpaper is located?
[19:37] <Meradim> Someone expert in configuring wlan via pcmcia ?
[19:38] <genii> jp89: OK. I'm gonna go for a cig. Back in a few minutes
[19:38] <engineer> cig sigh
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: i dont follow
[19:39] <stdin> yurimxpxman: somewhere in /usr/lib/kde4/share/wallpapers
[19:39] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: ktorrent is the way man, works great
[19:39] <jp89> genii: http://pastebin.com/d6635b494 error report
[19:39] <yurimxpxman> stdin: thanks!
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: install php5 too and web control is yours :D
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> yurimxpxman: awesome backgrounds at www.vladstudio.com
[19:41] <martijn81> i do not think i am able todo such thing with upgrading from kde3. At the moment i just use the neon kde4 package from deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> yurimxpxman: i use underwater
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: try installing ktorrent instead of ktorrent-kde4
[19:41] <genii> jp89: Please pastebin result of command:  apt-cache search linux|grep image
[19:42] <martijn81> ActionParsnip: yeah, but then i need to re-import all my torrents, seeing ktorrent kde3 version uses other temp files
[19:42] <martijn81> plus i will loose all my statics
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: then id let all your stuff come down and sort it out
[19:42] <jp89> genii: http://pastebin.com/d6d4fa5a2
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> then you're gonna have to live pluginless
[19:43] <martijn81> hehe
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> the bandwidth scheduling is sweeeet
[19:43] <martijn81> i think i will wait on a new package
[19:43] <martijn81> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent-kde4/+bug/234514 seems to be in progress anyway
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: you could always get the source and compile them
[19:44] <martijn81> bandwidth scheduling in ktorrent-kde4 is much more easier to use
[19:44] <Meradim> hmm
[19:45] <martijn81> no, them i would fail with some kind of automoc package failure i have never had before
[19:45] <genii> Hmm.
[19:45] <martijn81> then
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> automoc?
[19:45] <genii> !info linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic
[19:45] <martijn81> yeah, never heard of that one before have you?
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: apparently not
[19:46] <pim> Can I write the output of a command to a file?
[19:46] <martijn81> http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2502&highlight=automoc same failure as there
[19:46] <martijn81> i hope someone knows though
[19:47] <yurimxpxman> pim: command > filename
[19:47] <pim> thanks
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> martijn81: sudo apt-get install automoc from http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2500
[19:48] <martijn81> Package automoc is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[19:48] <martijn81> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[19:48] <martijn81> is only available from another source
[19:48] <martijn81> E: Package automoc has no installation candidat
[19:48] <jussi01> !find automoc
[19:48] <martijn81> hmmmm
[19:48] <martijn81> :)
[19:48] <genii> jp89: dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic; apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-18-generic
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> something to chew over dude
[19:48] <martijn81> :p
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> spain vs russia
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> peace out
[19:49] <Meradim> anyone expert in configuring wlan about pcmcia ?
[19:49] <jp89> k it running
[19:49] <pim> yurimxpxman thanks it works :p
[19:50] <genii> jp89: Pastebin any errors, I'll be back in a minute or so
[19:50] <yurimxpxman> pim: np
[19:51] <jp89> k
[19:52] <martijn81> jussi01: i tried to install kde4libs-dbg, the other two were already installed.... and i get this
[19:52] <stdin> martijn81: if you're using the kde beta1 or beta2, there is a new automoc package
[19:53] <jussi01> martijn81: also, you will probably get better answers in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[19:53] <martijn81> stdin: i use the neon nightly version AND the beta2 version, i am now logged in via KDM in the nightly session
[19:53] <martijn81> ok
[19:53] <stdin> then you need the automoc package
[19:54] <martijn81> stdin: yeah but there does not seem to an unique one
[19:56] <stdin> it's called "automoc"
[19:56] <stdin> !info automoc kubuntu-members-kde4
[19:56] <yurimxpxman> are there any good KDE frontends to vim? gvim's all I've been able to find
[19:57] <martijn81> yurimxpxman: there has been development on one, but they decided to stop doing so
[19:57] <martijn81> forgot the name
[19:58] <martijn81> stdin: ok but what do i have todo now, because i have this kubuntu-members-kde4 line in my /etc/apt/sources.list and i do not seem to get that package listed with apt-get
[19:58] <genii> jp89: Did it return yet to a command prompt?
[19:58] <zipper> I have a logitech mx518 mouse, and i want to re-map the "+" and "-" buttons. However, none of these buttons generate an input in xev. I've tried following this guide ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=219894 ) but with little luck. Anyone got an idea?
[19:59] <jp89> yes but is this normal http://pastebin.com/d203d97b4
[20:00] <martijn81> stdin: oops i seem to have forgotten that i commented that line out, i am very sorry!
[20:00] <genii> jp89: No.  :/
[20:01] <jp89> damn
[20:01] <jp89> no surprise
[20:03] <pim> Is it wise to add colour to your grub boot-menu?
[20:07] <genii> jp89: From a second Konsole again:      sudo cp -aR /lib/udev/* /mnt/lib/udev/                    then back to chrooted Konsole and tiredly: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-18-generic
[20:08] <genii> jp89: It looks like perhaps the original update messed up the udev subsystem there
[20:09] <helpy> !backup
[20:09] <martijn81> stdin: you saved my day!!
[20:09] <jp89> here we go
[20:09] <jp89> hmmm its dome
[20:10] <jp89> *done
[20:10] <genii> jp89: With the apt-get install part?
[20:10] <jp89> ya
[20:10] <genii> jp89: Good. Now cross your fingers and try to reboot from hard drive :)
[20:11] <jp89> man im nervous
[20:11] <genii> hehe
[20:11] <jp89> ill see u hopefully with good news
[20:11] <genii> jp89: If miserable fail, boot to livecd and return
[20:11] <jp89> lol
[20:12] <Avgustin_> hello to all p)
[20:13] <mitsarionas> hi all
[20:13] <StephanS_> spricht hier auch jemdand deutsch ? ^^
[20:13] <genii> !de
[20:14] <genii> StephanS_: Nein
[20:14] <StephanS_> danke für die channel, aber sagt auch niemand was *g*
[20:14] <mitsarionas> does anyone know about the status of intrepid alpha 1?
[20:14] <genii> StephanS_: bitte
[20:15] <genii> mitsarionas: I'm sure they know quite alot about it in #ubuntu-devel
[20:15] <mitsarionas> oh thanx :)
[20:16] <genii> mitsarionas: np
[20:16] <mitsarionas> been checking for it twice a day... I'm getting bored without those daily updates :)
[20:18] <jp88> genii: grub error 15
[20:18] <jp88> i swear grub loves me
[20:18] <genii> hehe
[20:20] <kirkt> hey ppl, is firefox3 working for linux?
[20:21] <z1pp3r> works for me
[20:21] <kirkt> can i apt-get that somehow?
[20:22] <genii> jp88: Hmm. I'm thinking it still has the old -19-generic entry perhaps as default. Are you able to get into grub with ESC and then choose the one we just put to boot up instead?
[20:22] <jp88> doesnt give me that option
[20:22] <z1pp3r> kirkt, sure
[20:22] <jp88> usually it says press esc
[20:22] <kirkt> whats the package name? firefox3 doesnt work it seems
[20:23] <jp88> but this doesnt. just says error 15
[20:23] <genii> jp88: Try pressing it even if you don't see it saying "PRess ESC"  etc etc
[20:23] <z1pp3r> kirkt, firefox-3.0
[20:23] <kirkt> thanks
[20:23] <z1pp3r> np
[20:23] <StephanS_> i think firefox 3 destroyed my hdd a few days ago *gg*
[20:23] <jp88> k brb
[20:23] <jp88> hope not
[20:23] <StephanS_> system was winxp
[20:23] <ellypho> Hey anybody gotta link to a how-to on getting e17 on ubuntu
[20:23] <z1pp3r> more likely that winxp destroyed your hdd....
[20:24] <genii> Ah, no big loss then
[20:24] <jp88> seee u now now
[20:24] <StephanS_> now, i have a new hdd and try to use linux....only fpr internet
[20:24] <StephanS_> fpr =for
[20:25] <StephanS_> but there is a problem with the pcmcia wlan card
[20:25] <z1pp3r> wireless in linux can sometimes be a real b****
[20:26] <genii> Especially Broadcoms
[20:26] <StephanS_> last year i tried it with the dapper drake, but it didn't work
[20:27] <StephanS_> today i download the new Kubuntu 8.04, but the pcmcia card doesn't work either
[20:29] <lordnps> Hi everyone. Just finished installing kubuntu... anyone there who could give me a hand with a few things(getting compiz, firefox etc)?
[20:29] <StephanS_> the card is from cc&c, an is part of the Gericom Hummer FX 5600, chip ist Realtek 8180
[20:29] <engineer> sudo aptitude install firefox
[20:30] <lordnps> engineer: mhm... not apt-get?
[20:30] <engineer> sudo aptitude install compiz-core
[20:30] <engineer> aptitude is better at handling dependencies
[20:30] <z1pp3r> You ever had dependency problems with apt-get? I never did
[20:30] <lordnps> engineer: I tryied installing compz in the desktop effects thingy, but it claims it cannot find "compiz-kde"
[20:31] <engineer> z1pp3r i had
[20:31] <_sourcemaker> i have installed the ubuntu server edition and it's working pretty cool... are there documentation to secure the server (LAMP) as well as installing security updates?
[20:31] <engineer> and aptitude finds several solutions when stuff breaks
[20:31] <lordnps> both are availble by default?
[20:32] <engineer> both?
[20:32] <lordnps> apt-get and aptitude
[20:32] <engineer> yeah
[20:32] <engineer> about compiz-kde
[20:32] <lordnps> mhm... about the Desktop effects
[20:32] <engineer> you must enable some repositories
[20:32] <lordnps> mhm universe?
[20:32] <genii> !info compiz-kde
[20:33] <genii> Yes, universe
[20:33] <lordnps> (I had a couple of weeks of ubuntu
[20:33] <engineer> i had a couple of years
[20:33] <lordnps> though kubuntu comes with much less stuff :(
[20:33] <engineer> yep
[20:33] <engineer> less bloat
[20:35] <lordnps> anyways, I'm kind of new to this, How do I enable those repositories?
[20:35] <lordnps> I'm in Portugal, it autoconfigured some portuguese servers
[20:35] <lullideath> lordnps, you installed the kubuntu with KDE3.5?
[20:35] <engineer> system -> softwre sources
[20:35] <lordnps> lullideath: yes
[20:36] <axel> Hello! Is there a program or extension for Firefox, Opera, Konqueror I can download the sites of a mediaWiki with?
[20:36] <lullideath> i just installed the kubuntu with KDE4 remix, compiz is right in the repositoriy
[20:36] <genii> Whats wrong with wget?
[20:37] <pim> Thanks for the help everyone
[20:37] <pim> bye bye
[20:37] <lordnps> engineer: in system there's no software sources
[20:37] <engineer> sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde
[20:38] <lordnps> engineer: sure
[20:38] <lordnps> engineer: done
[20:38] <engineer> it should show up now
[20:38] <axel> genii: Wait. I'm goint to try that.
[20:38] <jp88> genii: im gonna kill ubuntu
[20:39] <jp88> genii: esc doesnt work
[20:39] <lordnps> engineer: it doesn't :((
[20:39] <ShadowKnight> hello everyone
[20:39] <lordnps> engineer: you mean in K-menu, system right?
[20:39] <engineer> err
[20:39] <engineer> sudo aptitude install software-properties-gtk
[20:40] <engineer> try this one
[20:40] <damien__> Does anyone know a good GBC/GBA emulator I can download preferably by a debian package, or that is easy to compile?
[20:40] <lordnps> engineer: ok
[20:40] <ShadowKnight> damien_ : vba
[20:40] <damien__> Thanks
[20:40] <ShadowKnight> http://vba.ngemu.com/ damien_ , here is the link
[20:40] <lordnps> engineer: Doesn't find the package
[20:41] <lordnps> engineer: this is getting ugly :\
[20:41] <ShadowKnight> Does anyone know of audio recording problems in Hardy?
[20:41] <pteague_work> how can i add the home button to my quick bar?
[20:41] <lordnps> engineer: isn't there a conf file in etc that I can just edit?
[20:41] <engineer> yeah
[20:41] <lordnps> engineer: choosing manually the repositories?
[20:41] <engineer> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:41] <damien__> ShadowKnight: Thanks
[20:41] <ShadowKnight> pteague_work just drag and drop, no?
[20:41] <mitsarionas> does anyone use amsn?
[20:42] <ShadowKnight> np damien_
[20:42] <lordnps> engineer: now what?
[20:42] <engineer> uncomment lines that say universe and multiverse
[20:42] <lordnps> engineer: mhm.. it's well commented
[20:42] <ShadowKnight> So does anyone here know of audio recording problems in Hardy?
[20:42] <engineer> ok read on then local_
[20:42] <engineer> ok read on then lordnps
[20:43] <pteague_work> ShadowKnight: i'm not seeing it in the K menu (konqueror is there, but i can't seem to modify links specifically in the quick bar) & the system menu won't let me drag & drop out of it
[20:43] <ellypho> Does anybody know how to get E17 on Ubuntu
[20:43] <lullideath> ellypho, i think i saw a tutorial about that on the forum
[20:43] <ShadowKnight> pteague_work: open konqueror, and activate the navigation bar. On the top it should say "home folder"
[20:44] <damien__> ShadowKnight: VBA keeps trying to open in WINE :/
[20:44] <lordnps> engineer:
[20:44] <ShadowKnight> Drag that to the quick bar
[20:44] <ellypho> lullideath: THX
[20:44] <lordnps> engineer: I think I got them
[20:44] <engineer> sudo aptitude update
[20:44] <ShadowKnight> damien__: you downloaded the windows version
[20:44] <lordnps> engineer: now, I should update right?
[20:44] <lordnps> engineer: yes, that
[20:44] <ShadowKnight> damien__: you want the linux version
[20:44] <damien__> ShadowKnight: I downloaded the linux version >_>
[20:45] <lordnps> engineer: Dinner, brb, thanks by the help  xD
[20:45] <engineer> lordnps use synaptic for package management: sudo aptitude install synaptic
[20:45] <ShadowKnight> damien__: scroll down on this page http://vba.ngemu.com/downloads.shtml to Version 1.7.1
[20:45] <pteague_work> ShadowKnight: ah, ok...  nifty, but it's not giving me the nifty little house... not a huge issue, but would be nice to figure out how to change icons :)
[20:46] <ellypho> *Help* New ATI GPU gnome is using compiz, will boot go black then white all white cube lags
[20:46] <delilaz> hello every1, I just installed kubuntu 6.06 two days ago and the mouse is acting up. By sudden movements or by a shake the mouse begins to open/change window eratically. Is there anything I can do????
[20:46] <ShadowKnight> pteague_work: you're welcome
[20:46] <damien__> ShadowKnight: I've got that one, but now when I click the VisualBoyAdvance executable, nothing happens :/
[20:46] <pteague_work> nm, just figured the icon thing out :)
[20:46] <ShadowKnight> The linux version is a tar.gz damien__ , is that what you have?
[20:47] <ShadowKnight> You have to extract it into a folder
[20:47] <damien__> ShadowKnight: I did, and I clicked the executable, and nothing happened
[20:47] <ShadowKnight> damien__:  open a console
[20:47] <ShadowKnight> run it in console
[20:47] <pteague_work> hehe, open a console &...
[20:47] <damien__> ShadowKnight: Oh okay
[20:47] <pookey> hi all - I downloaded the KDE4 reloaded CD - bt when it bootsI 'm just left with an 'initramfs' prompt which appears to be busybox - no other output.  I've tried graphics safe mode, but have had no luck. any ideas?
[20:48] <ShadowKnight> damien__:  like this : ./VisualBoyAdvance insertgamenamehere
[20:48] <jussi01> pookey: try asking in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[20:48] <pookey> thanks jussi01 :)
[20:48] <damien__> ShadowKnight, thanks I see :P
[20:48] <ShadowKnight> damien__:  the games should be in the same folder as the emulator
[20:48] <ShadowKnight> damien__:  you're welcome
[20:49] <ShadowKnight> Now can anyone help me with my sound recording problems?
[20:50] <ShadowKnight> Anything that records sound just hangs now (i.e.  sound recorder, Audacity). They worked in older Kubuntus
[20:50] <ShadowKnight> Anyone know of such a problem?
[20:50] <rickest> ShadowKnight: configured to use 'alsa'?
[20:51] <ShadowKnight> Yes, I think. Do you know how to check that?
[20:51] <rickest> ShadowKnight: I'd imagine it's set on a per-application basis
[20:52] <ShadowKnight> Well then it's a bit more complicate  rickest . Audacity is set to ALSA but it doesn't record, yet it doesn't hang. Sound recorder is on OSS I believe, and it does hang.
[20:52] <ShadowKnight> When I set Audacity to use OSS it hangs too.
[20:53] <rickest> ShadowKnight: maybe run 'alsamixer' and make sure your mic is on/not muted
[20:53] <ShadowKnight> I've heard of several problems involving PulseAudio, but as far as I can tell, my system's not running it.
[20:53] <ShadowKnight> rickest: done that.
[20:54] <ShadowKnight> rickest: but I'll double check, hang on
[20:54] <rickest> ShadowKnight: ah, sorry then that's about the extent of my ability to help
[20:54] <ShadowKnight> rickest:  Thanks anyway.
[20:54] <ellypho> Can anybody help me with my ATI 1650 pro driver troubles?
[20:54] <ShadowKnight> rickest: by the way, the problem doesn't involve the mic: it won't even take output audio.
[20:55] <Guest58586> how can i remove anything that has a gui?, (including gmd, xorg, gnome, etc)
[20:55] <genii> Guest58586: Install server edition
[20:55] <Guest58586> how?
[20:55] <rickest> Guest58586: download server .ISO and install that
[20:55] <Guest58586> u already have an existing kubuntu install....
[20:55] <ShadowKnight> Guest58586: Are you fluent in the command line?
[20:55] <Guest58586> i***
[20:55] <Guest58586> i know enough to be toublesome
[20:56] <ShadowKnight> Guest58586: Do you want to be able to view graphic files?
[20:56] <rickest> Guest58586: you could try 'apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop' then 'apt-get autoremove'. that might get everything GUI-related
[20:56] <Guest58586> its a server so i need to remove anything unneeded
[20:57] <rickest> Guest58586: however, a better plan would have been to install ubuntu-server from the start
[20:57] <genii> Guest58586: Since they are mostly metapackages, removal with --purge of ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop           if they exist there. Then you could run: sudo tasksel            and choose LAMP Server
[20:57] <ShadowKnight> Guest58586:  then I'd agree with genii and rickest: get server edition.
[20:57] <Guest58586> one problem, there is 200gb of stuff i cant loose....
[20:57] <genii> You may need install of tasksel
[20:58] <genii> Guest58586: The method I described
[20:58] <rickest> Guest58586: if you "can't lose" that stuff then it should already be backed up  :-). then follow genii's advice
[20:59] <Guest58586> rickest i am doing this on the backup server....
[21:00] <Guest58586> i didn't have 4hours to wait for the server cd to dl so i just used the regular kubuntu cd
[21:00] <rickest> Guest58586: frankly then, you're doing it wrong
[21:01] <Guest58586> i had to do it in a rush...... boss is well a big rusher, can i use aptitude and select multipal packages at once to remove?
[21:02] <rickest> yes
[21:02] <Guest58586> how?
[21:02] <Guest58586> i just see g to remove...
[21:03] <ellypho> How does one disable all effects on gnome within the terminal?
[21:03] <genii> Haste makes waste. But at your own risk:  sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop; sudo apt-get install tasksel; sudo tasksel                                 then choose LAMP install
[21:03] <genii> Guest58586: ^
[21:04] <rickest> ellypho: #ubuntu might be more helpful since they're on Gnome
[21:05] <Guest58586> thanks genii, but when you have no time and it had to be done 3hours ago do you really have a choice?
[21:05] <delilaz> hey again, I'm install hplip and it's stating that "adept_notifier is running, please quit package manager and press enter to continue" How do I quit it???
[21:05] <genii> Guest58586: Yes. You tell the boss "Thats how long it takes."
[21:06] <mitsarionas> there's still no way to hold a package on a specific version on adept, is there?
[21:06] <Guest58586> and he says if its not done sooner your outta here......
[21:06] <genii> Guest58586: They are used to it by the way
[21:06] <delilaz> i'm not even running Adept, I'm in a terminal
[21:07] <Guest58586> thanks for all the help :), i gtg lunch time :D
[21:07] <rickest> mitsarionas: not really adept, I guess, but afaik adept will honor:  echo pkgname hold | apt-get --set-selections
[21:08] <genii> Guest58586: Tell him if he wants someone else to do it, you'll gladly call the first available IT guy in the Yellow pages you can convince to come over and repair it. It will take about 4 hours to contact one, convince him to come over, etc etc. And if they want you to fill the new guy in on what is where, you'd better be making twice what they pay that guy since you obviously have seniority.
[21:08] <genii> Bah. Too long typing
[21:10] <mitsarionas> rickest: so it won't display the adept notifier icon when it finds an update to that package?
[21:11] <rickest> mitsarionas: I'm not sure, I don't run the notifier app
[21:13] <delilaz> Anyone know how I can quit package manager??
[21:13] <mitsarionas> :/ thanx anyway... (i don't have a specific package in mind, just asked for knowing's sake) :)
[21:15] <lordnps> engineer: back
[21:15] <lordnps> engineer: are you still there?
[21:15] <engineer> nao
[21:15] <lordnps> engineer: portugues?
[21:17] <lordnps> engineer: compiz install is working now xD Thanks
[21:18] <engineer> anytime
[21:18] <lordnps> engineer: finished installing, chose extra-effects
[21:18] <lordnps> engineer: no working cube yet
[21:19] <lordnps> engineer: btw, are you portuguese?
[21:19] <engineer> stop highlighting me
[21:19] <lordnps> sure
[21:20] <lordnps> later you replyied with 2nao" portuguese for "no"
[21:20] <engineer> and yes, i'm portuguese
[21:20] <lordnps> tambem eu
[21:20] <lordnps> However here, english is probably mandatory
[21:21] <engineer> glad you figured that out
[21:22] <reinhold> hi guys ...
[21:22] <reinhold> can anyone help me please? ...
[21:22] <reinhold> http://phpfi.com/327208
[21:23] <reinhold> i tried to download, configure and make ,,, build myself clamav
[21:23] <reinhold> it didn't work
[21:23] <reinhold> http://phpfi.com/327208
[21:24] <engineer> i don't understand german
[21:24] <reinhold> what should i translate?
[21:24] <engineer> fehler
[21:24] <reinhold> that means error
[21:25] <engineer> isn't clamav in the reps?
[21:25] <rickest> reinhold: not to switch subjects but why not use clamav from the reps?
[21:25] <reinhold> it is ... but it is a very old version that doesn't update the virus definition list
[21:26] <reinhold> and i need the latest one to check some files i want to copy to a windows-computer
[21:26] <reinhold> it shouldn't get any virus
[21:26] <reinhold> or similar threats
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> hey al
[21:28] <Dunas> Hi. How would I access a file that had the same functions as Ubuntu's xorg.conf in Kubuntu?
[21:28] <ShadowKnight> Hey ActionParsnip .
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> Dunas: kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xor.conf
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> oops, xorg.conf not xor.conf
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> use autocomplte, you'll be fine
[21:31] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i is back lol
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: indeed so :)
[21:31] <Dunas> Well, I'm thinking about changing from Ubuntu to Kubuntu, only problem being it's taken some work to get Ubuntu to work with my 1440x900 resolution and when I tried to install KDE and Kubuntu desktop, I think I pretty badly messed something up in Gnome. @_@
[21:32] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: do you know much bout kernels and whats needed to compile them
[21:32] <ShadowKnight> Dunas: so how does that stop you from using KDE?
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: compiler and the source
[21:32] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i have teh source
[21:32] <reinhold> *is back soon*
[21:33] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: thing is 3 ways to compile
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> Dunas: backup the xorg.conf file, once you get your drivers installed, copy it back
[21:33] <lucas__> he there, I am experiencieng a strange problem with hardy
[21:33] <Dunas> ShadowKnight: Being perfectly honest I'm terrified of messing this install up.
[21:33] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: ill figure it out now im not worried about it
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> Dunas: just install kde-desktop and logoff and change your session at the login screen
[21:33] <lucas__> do we need need to install some extra package to get printer drivers
[21:33] <lucas__> ?
[21:34] <lucas__> aka photosmart 7760
[21:34] <ShadowKnight> brb folks
[21:34] <pteague_work> good grief... i need to get off vmware in this windows crap
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: its pretty easy man, just dont pull something out that you need
[21:35] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i cant find the qtk++ that i need as well as the gtk++ pkgs if they even exist
[21:35] <mkultras> hey what do you guys use for newsreader, and get binaries with ?
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> lucas__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80060
[21:35] <lucas__> ActionParsnip:  thx
[21:36] <ShadowKnight> back
[21:36] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: want a really easy script you can run to find out all current modules installed with their descriptions
[21:36] <damien__> Does anyone know how to get my wii remote to work as a mouse? I tried this thing on ubuntu wiki but it didn't work
[21:37] <lucas__> ActionParsnip: There is something strange though, In 7.10 the driver is available whereas it is not in hardy
[21:37] <eagles0513875> damien__: thats an interesting idea lol never thought of using it as a mouse
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> damien__: theres videos on youtube, requires destroying a mouse but its not too hard
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> damien__: its not too useful though
[21:37] <eagles0513875> rofl
[21:37] <ShadowKnight> damien__:  I don't think it'll help you in playing emulated wii games either.
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> you dont point at the screen you pitch and roll the wiimote
[21:38] <damien__> ShadowKnight: I don't want to :P
[21:38] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: outa curiosity how many customizations are available in the kernel
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: how do you mean?
[21:38] <damien__> ActionParsnip: Damn, forget that them
[21:38] <damien__> then*
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: you can basically make someting a module, part of the kernel or not available at all
[21:38] <MrKennie> I've seen a remote control somewhere that can do that
[21:39] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: how many questions are available in a kernel
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> damien__: its fun but tbh it sucks
[21:39] <damien__> Heh
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> damien__: gimme a sec
[21:39] <damien__> ok
[21:39] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: usually have 3 options yes no and module i know what module does but what does yes option do
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> damien__: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KtFVlUaMRA
[21:40] <damien__> ActionParsnip: Thanks
[21:40] <szakulec> if you're interested, there's a text list of all your kernel's config options, and how they were set
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: if you want it to be part of the kernel then select yes, if not part or even as a module  choose no
[21:41] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: once you compile cant you disable the module if you dont ned it
[21:41] <eagles0513875> need*
[21:41] <OneTwelve> lawl damien
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: module will compile its as a module so you can attatch it later but it is not part of your kernel
[21:41] <eagles0513875> gotchA
[21:41] <eagles0513875> so its there then u have to enable it when u need it
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: modules, yes they can be removed but things compiled as yes are part of the kernel
[21:41] <eagles0513875> ok
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: you could make a monolithic kernel if you knew exactly what was going to be asked of it and it was never going to change
[21:42] <reinhold> guys ,,, it just won't work!
[21:42] <damien__> ActionParsnip: Does it need to be a laser mouse, or a ball mouse?
[21:43] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: just wanna strip my kernel of unnecessary stuff
[21:43] <eagles0513875> !ask | reinhold
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> damien__: doesnt matter afaics
[21:43] <eagles0513875> !patience | reinhold
[21:43] <damien__> Okay
[21:43] <reinhold> ;)
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> damien__: its pretty crap though dont you think
[21:43] <damien__> ActionParsnip: Well, I have nothing else to do :P
[21:43] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: reason i want to do it is i have a bunch of intel stuff which i dont need cuz im on an amd and dont need nvidia stuff either im on ati this is a laptop
[21:43] <eagles0513875> reinhold: whats ur problem bro
[21:43] <eagles0513875> *you
[21:43] <eagles0513875> your
[21:44] <reinhold> sorry ... it's just that i need the latest version of clamav and i couldn't install it
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: then rip it out and it will make your kernel more efficient and smaller
[21:44] <reinhold> the one in the repositories is to old
[21:44] <eagles0513875> reinhold: you compiling from source
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: if you dont use your pci bus you can remove that
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: and bluetooth if you dont use it
[21:44] <reinhold> i tried eagles0513875 it didn't work
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> and so on
[21:44] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: in regards to the pci buss would a pci xpress card fall under that
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: you'll have to google bro
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> but you have that control
[21:45] <reinhold> i typed the commands step by step
[21:45] <eagles0513875> reinhold: yyou need to run sudo apt-get build-dep clamav
[21:45] <reinhold> like the manual said
[21:45] <eagles0513875> reinhold: that builds the dependencies for that pkg then you run ./configure make make install
[21:45] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i could put it as a module which wont hurt
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> reinhold I installed from source, makes it the latest as the one in the repos is outdated
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: indeed
[21:46] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: how often do repos get updated
[21:46] <reinhold> so now what?
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: just wrench out what you dont need
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> reinhold get the source and compile
[21:46] <eagles0513875> did you build-dep command reinhold
[21:46] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i will
[21:46] <reinhold> sudo apt-get build-dep clamav AND ./configure make make install ??
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> reinhold: www.google.com
[21:47] <reinhold> i have the source in a tar.gz
[21:47] <reinhold> i unpacked it
[21:47] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: you forgot /linux
[21:47] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: what exactly is the kernel in repos which i should be looking for
[21:47] <reinhold> so just a sec before i'm continueing
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: searching is easier imho
[21:47] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: there are so many kernels
[21:47] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: would it hurt to get latest one from kernel.org
[21:47] <reinhold> how can i find the last bits of my previous attempt in installing clamav?
[21:48] <eagles0513875> reinhold: for get em start from step one
[21:48] <eagles0513875> reinhold: you in the folder of clam av
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: get the kernel source for the one you are using as its in repos so is stable
[21:48] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: this is a test machine i dont mind having to re install
[21:48] <reinhold> the one that has been created while compile and make installing?
[21:49] <reinhold> i deleted it now
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: the source at kernel.org is a nightly snapsot but can be fun to play with
[21:49] <reinhold> and erm ... i will come back some time later ...
[21:49] <reinhold> a thunderstorm is heading this way ...
[21:49] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: can i pm ya
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> sure
[21:49] <reinhold> i can already hear the thunders quite near my position
[21:49] <reinhold> see you soon
[21:52] <ShadowKnight> I've got to go everyone. See you all later.
[21:54] <MrKennie> anyone else ever had problems with switching users in KDE where the current session would get killed?
[21:58] <leftbas> kde 4.1 update complains that my key is invalid...how do i replace it? the instruction page doesn't say
[21:59] <andrey_> привет =)
[21:59] <leftbas> is that russian?
[21:59] <andrey_> неподскажите как Аську настроить в Кубунту 8/04
[22:00] <andrey_> no, Ukrainian ;)
[22:00] <leftbas> i don't know if there's a ukranian kde channel
[22:04] <eagles0513875> leftbas: wouldnt it fall under russian
[22:05] <eagles0513875> !ru | andrey_
[22:05] <eagles0513875> andrey_: that what you want
[22:05] <leftbas> i wouldn't know, i don't speak or write either language
[22:05] <eagles0513875> i have honestly never seen a ukranian language chan i think closest is russian
[22:05] <leftbas> but i couldn't remember how to make that help text appear
[22:07] <leftbas> kde 4.1 update complains that my key is invalid...how do i replace it? the instruction page doesn't say
[22:08] <el-gokulo> KDE 4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:08] <leftbas> thanks
[22:10] <BluesKaj> leftbas, don't worry about invalid keys , they aren't up to date most of the time anyway
[22:10] <andrey_> !en как настроить другую тему в kde4?
[22:11] <Algyz> andrey_:  download themes from kde-look.org
[22:11] <andrey_> дякую
[22:12] <BluesKaj> !ru | andrey_
[22:12] <Algyz> !ua | andrey_
[22:30] <Nyad> Hi. why is it that OpenOffice keeps opening my xls file in read only mode?
[22:35] <Nyad> Hi. why is it that OpenOffice keeps opening my xls file in read only mode?
[22:35] <Nyad> I want to edit it
[22:36] <adflinux> alguien q  hable español
[22:36] <adflinux> ??
[22:36] <adflinux> o un  canal en español
[22:36] <adflinux> porfa!!
[22:36] <el-gokulo> !es adflinux
[22:36] <el-gokulo> #ubuntu-es
[22:37] <adflinux> graxxx
[22:37] <Phantomas> hi can you tell me why when i test my cpu with pi it finishes later than on windows?
[22:38] <Nyad> Phantomas, that's not a good test for cpu speed
[22:38] <Phantomas> does ubuntu use more cpu resources without running apps than windows xp?
[22:38] <Phantomas> Nyad: so what is a good test?
[22:39] <Nyad> dunno, but if you want speed try xubuntu. I do find (k)ubuntu to be quite slow. windows is faster than this distro
[22:39] <Nyad> but the rest are much better
[22:40] <Algyz> Phantomas:  I think Ubuntu is better using resources
[22:40] <Algyz> Phantomas:  try www.geekbench.ca test, you'll see
[22:41] <Phantomas> hmm ok thank you boys/girls
[22:42] <Nyad> Algyz, I don't think so, if I do a copy of say 6GB of data the entire system locks up and a freeze comes easily if I try to do anything other than wander off and make coffee while it copies, at a slower speed than windows does
[22:43] <tct> xD
[22:45] <testi> konqueror crashes when I use the filesize view and move a file to the trash while it is still constructing the tree
[22:45] <Nyad> Hi. why is it that OpenOffice keeps opening my xls file in read only mode?
[22:46] <Nyad> I can't edit it, but I need to
[22:46] <Nyad> nvm
[22:46] <Nyad> I fixed it
[22:50] <ads_> hey wats a command to query the compiz version im running  (please) ?
[22:50] <ads_> whats*
[22:55] <engineer> apt-cache policy compiz-core
[23:05] <freethinker> Hi! can anybody teel me how i can do somthin similar to kdesu dolphin but in gnome?
[23:07] <Odd-rationale> freethinker: gksudo nautilus
[23:07] <freethinker> thanks !!
[23:07] <Roey> Hi, why do I get this weird error when mounting my SD card??  http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sf-archives/software/345276-unable-mount-removable-media-hal-storage-removable-mount.html  <-- is there a fix for this?
[23:07] <Odd-rationale> freethinker: why are you asking in a kde channel... :P
[23:08] <freethinker> i also like kde
[23:08] <freethinker> and no one was anwsering me on gnome channel
[23:09] <Odd-rationale> freethinker: for ubuntu+gnome question, best to ask in the main #ubuntu channel.. :)
[23:11] <gabspeck> amarok is showing incorrect year tags for some songs tagged with MusicBrainz
[23:11] <gabspeck> has anybody else got this bug?
[23:25] <linux_> hi
[23:25] <linux_> :)
[23:26] <Guest98057> turk varmi lan ?
[23:26] <gabspeck> has anybody else who uses musicbrainz picard run into trouble with year tags in amarok?
[23:30] <batata> opa
[23:30] <batata> como faço para conectar numa rede windows?
[23:30] <batata> um pc com windows outro com kubuntu
[23:31] <engineer> sudo dhclient
[23:31] <engineer> nfs or samba
[23:31] <batata> o kubuntu ligado diretamente no pc com windows
[23:31] <batata> so q eu num posso instalar o samba
[23:31] <batata> pois num tenho internet
[23:31] <batata> no pc com ubuntu
[23:32] <batata> how may you serve?
[23:44] <bastrasdf>  Hey everyone
[23:49] <lordnps> Hi there, I'm having a problem... I've just installed KDE4, and I was messing around with the Themes, and something happened, that I don't know how to reverse: "System Settings" Icons, buttons, spaces everything are huge, and the program doesn't fit in a windows, nor can be resized to fit...
[23:50] <lordnps> It's just weird
[23:50] <lordnps> I've tried using smaller fonts
[23:50] <lordnps> But even though the font size is reduced, the buttons still ocupy imense space
[23:51] <lordnps> rendering me incapable of clicking "Ok" or "Aply"
[23:51] <lordnps> Is there a roll back conf file that I can use somewhere?
[23:56] <Rioting_pacifist> lordnps: possible,  but as i dont know which file it is you could try mv .kde4 .kde4~ (might be called something else) and that will get rid of all your kde4 settings
[23:56] <lordnps> mhm... I'll try that
[23:57] <lordnps> I have 3.5 here for restore
[23:57] <lordnps> Just if something bad happens
[23:58] <Rioting_pacifist> !kde4
[23:58] <Rioting_pacifist> lordnps:  not sure if anybody is about but they know about kde4 when they are^
[23:59] <lordnps> Rioting_pacifist: I'll try the other channel