[00:02] <Agent_bob> fellas !
[00:04] <larfus> HMM
[00:05] <larfus> oops
[00:07] <Agent_bob> why does the "touch" command invoke modprobe if used in /dev/.static/dev/ ?
[00:07] <Agent_bob> and of course modprobe fails because there is no hardware of that sort...   ?
[00:10] <sigma_> hi guys. i'm running KDE4 with gtk-engines-qtcurve. It works well, but for some reason firefox is ignoring my font preferences - for example, file, edit, and all that are not Freesans. pidgin on the other hand respects these font choices.
[00:10] <sigma_> what can i do to get firefox to fall in line?
[00:13] <Agent_bob> if nobody here knows, maybe #firefox or...
[00:13] <Agent_bob> !kde4
[00:18] <sigma_> thank you
[00:21] <damien__> Hi, whenever I press a button on my keyboard, I can't move my mouse, anyone know how to fix it?
[00:21] <Agent_bob> what plug are they ??
[00:21] <damien__> Keyboard is PS/2 and mouse is USB
[00:22] <damien__> I had no problems until today
[00:22] <Agent_bob> damien__ hmmm sounds like a misconfiguration error in xorg to me.  but i'm no drip there.
[00:22] <Schuenemann> I need help. I installed opensolaris and that messed grub up. Now I just have windows and opensolaris. How can I retrieve kubuntu?
[00:23] <Agent_bob> "drip" == exSpert       spert = drip under pressure.
[00:23] <ShadowKnight> Hey all.
[00:23] <damien__> Agent_bob: How do I open xorg to check/modify?
[00:24] <helpy> !virtualbox
[00:24] <Agent_bob> damien__ the standard answer is   "sudo dpkg-reconfogure xserver-xorg -plow"    but to manually edit the config (if you know how)  "ksdsu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[00:25] <helpy> can you run a cd off of a virtual box ?
[00:25] <Agent_bob> damien__ does it change anything to "unplug/replug" the mouse ?
[00:25] <Agent_bob> helpy if it's setup right.
[00:26] <helpy> hmm virtual box is installing. i'll need you in a bit
[00:26] <helpy> :)
[00:26] <Agent_bob> that of course assumes that "run a cd" means access the cd drive from the vb system
[00:26] <Schuenemann> !grub
[00:26] <damien__> Agent_bob: let me try that, the command you gave me didnt work
[00:27] <Agent_bob> damien__ commands i mentioned only affect "new xorg sessions"
[00:27] <lsemple> anyone know how to get kmix to control the volume of my rear and center outputs on the back of my onboard sound card ?
[00:27] <Agent_bob> i.e. logout required.
[00:27] <damien__> Unplugging it didn't work
[00:27] <damien__> Agent_bob: It said no command existed >_>
[00:28] <Schuenemann> does anyone know if that wiki entry applies to "Lost grub after installing opensolaris" ?
[00:28] <Agent_bob> damien__ exact error please
[00:29] <Agent_bob> Schuenemann "lost grub" is "lost grub"  cause is irrelevent
[00:29] <damien__> Agent_bob: Nevermind, I found a fix on ubuntu forums
[00:29] <Schuenemann> Agent_bob: ok, guess I'll have to try that then
[00:29] <Schuenemann> as soon as I find my livecd *sigh*
[00:30] <Agent_bob> Schuenemann note.  you may have to manually setup the solaris boot section tho
[00:30] <Agent_bob> i'm not sure if grub will auto config that or not.
[00:30] <Schuenemann> is that difficult? I don't even know its FS
[00:30] <Agent_bob> nay.
[00:31] <Agent_bob> first see if it autodetects it,  if not we'll worry about finding it.
[00:31] <Schuenemann> alright, thanks
[00:33] <Agent_bob> hmmm process " 14920 tty24 S+ 0:00 grep -HiRe /z: .  "  seems to be stalled out or looping one'r t'other
[00:49] <ShadowKnight> Brb everyone.
[00:53] <ubuntu> !grub
[00:55] <helpy> ok my virtual box is not booting off cd
[00:55] <helpy> says no bootable medium found
[00:55] <helpy> !virtualbox
[00:55] <lsemple> anyone here know much about alsa ?
[00:55] <lsemple> #alsa is dead
[00:56] <Agent_bob> might just ask and see if you get an answer.
[01:02] <lsemple> I was told to use hwdep with the alsa driver, because apparently "6stack-dig isn't correct for my codec", but I dont know how to do this
[01:03] <ShadowKnight> hello all.
[01:03] <dlee> hey guys, is this a good place to post a question about kde 4.1 beta2 packages?
[01:03] <ShadowKnight> Yes, but no answer is guaranteed.
[01:04] <lsemple> ShadowKnight: your having issues with alsa too huh
[01:04] <ShadowKnight> yeah.
[01:04] <dlee> well, I was wondering if anybody else was encountering problems with kontact in kde 4.1
[01:04] <dlee> there are some incompatibilities with kdepimlib 4.1 that prevent any of the pim apps from starting
[01:04] <lsemple> ShadowKnight: damn near impossible sometimes to get things to work
[01:05] <ShadowKnight> lsemple: Yeah I know.
[01:05] <ShadowKnight> lsemple: but audio recording isn't such a big deal, I can do without it.
[01:05] <lsemple> I bought a new sound card and I cant even use it
[01:05] <lsemple> lol
[01:06] <Agent_bob> !supported
[01:07] <ShadowKnight> Oh well, my sound card's integrated. I thought maybe I should buy a regular one, but looks like it's no less trouble and a lot more money, eh?
[01:07] <Agent_bob> !hardware
[01:07] <lsemple> ShadowKnight: I wonder what would happen if you run your line out from your audio card straight into your line in ??
[01:07] <lsemple> or mic in
[01:08] <ShadowKnight> lsemple: I've done that, but recording from output is a lot cleaner.
[01:08] <ShadowKnight> Thanks for the links Agent_bob
[01:10] <jeisma> whenever i open my openoffice programs, the bar that has the minimize, maximize, and close buttons are gone
[01:10] <jeisma> how do i put it bac?
[01:10] <jeisma> back*
[01:11] <Agent_bob> !kde4
[01:11] <jeisma> anyone know?
[01:15] <dlee> jeisma: what version of kde are you running?
[01:16] <Roey> Hi, why do I get this weird error when mounting my SD card??  http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sf-archives/software/345276-unable-mount-removable-media-hal-storage-removable-mount.html  <-- is there a fix for this?
[01:17] <dlee> Roey: have you tried mounting as user?
[01:17] <Roey> dlee:  I can't seem to mount as a user.
[01:18] <Roey> This comes on automount
[01:18] <dlee> after the mount fails, go to the list of media devices in dolphin
[01:18] <Roey> when I stick a USB thumb drive in the slot and KDE asks what to do with it; I say "open it in a new window" and I get that  message
[01:18] <dlee> right click for properties
[01:18] <Roey> dlee:  ok
[01:18] <dlee> you'll be able to check a box that says something like "mount as user"
[01:18] <Roey> ahh.. Interesting.
[01:19] <Roey> dlee:  it works with CDs
[01:19] <Roey> I don't know why it does not work with USBs
[01:19] <dlee> so there is not "mount as user" option?
[01:19] <Roey> let me check now
[01:20] <tinfoil> anyone have problems getting pulseaudio to start after a gutsy->hardy upgrade?
[01:21] <tinfoil> ie: the init.d script doesn't do _anything_
[01:21] <Roey> dlee:  [x] Mount as user is already checked
[01:21] <tinfoil> but pa can be started by a user and is fine
[01:22] <dlee> Roey: for the USB drive?
[01:23] <szakulec> shadowknight: my onboard sound for my media computer didn't work, so I bought a GWC usb soundcard
[01:24] <ShadowKnight> Did that help szakulec?
[01:24] <lsemple> anyone here know how to configure an intel sound card (onboard) in alsa ?
[01:24] <szakulec> Shadowknight: it did- it was the first time I heard sound from the box in the 4 years I had it
[01:24] <ShadowKnight> oh. cool.
[01:25] <szakulec> Shadowknight: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829126101
[01:25] <ImLiz> Hello everyone, I have a dual-boot winXP/kubuntu and on the load up screen it shows the kubuntu partition 3x!! Why is that happening or how can I fix it????
[01:25] <tinfoil> lsemple: did you look at asoundconf?
[01:25] <szakulec> ImLiz: the extra entries are when the kernel gets upgraded
[01:26] <szakulec> ImLiz: I wouldn't touch them, but if they are really bothering you, get a grub gui and remove them
[01:26] <Roey> dlee:  aye
[01:26] <ShadowKnight> cool. But I'd rather just fix my problem, since it's small.
[01:27] <ImLiz> szakulec: thanks for the info, they don't bother me just that I thought something was going wrong :)
[01:27] <lsemple> tinfoil: my sound works, but I dont think its using the correct codecs
[01:27] <lsemple> tinfoil: http://pastebin.ca/1056818
[01:27] <tinfoil> codecs for what?
[01:27] <dlee> Roey: maybe unchecking it might work
[01:28] <ImLiz> any grub gui in particular???
[01:28] <Roey> dlee:  hmm ok
[01:28] <Roey> dlee:  I will try.
[01:29] <Roey> dlee:  same result
[01:29] <Roey> dlee:  and fuse is loaded...
[01:29] <tinfoil> if you do remove the extra boot choices manually, they'll just come back the next time the system runs update-grub
[01:30] <tinfoil> which is anytime the kernel package gets updated by apt
[01:30] <tinfoil> you _can_ modify /boot/grub/menu.lst to not add the extra options, and run update-grub yourself, read that file for details
[01:31] <tinfoil> ie: i have to add noapic to all kernels, i have like 4 kernels installed, and they all get the same extra options
[01:31] <dlee> Roey: if you're mounting as user, you have to be in a special group
[01:31] <dlee> perhaps 'media' or 'usb'
[01:31] <tinfoil> that reminds me, i can get rid of the old ones now that i figured out the hda->sda naming change thing
[01:31] <Roey> dlee:  hmm.
[01:31] <Roey> one sec.
[01:31] <ImLiz> lol I rather just leave it alone then, thanks tinfoil
[01:31] <dlee> Roey: try adding yourself to those groups
[01:31] <Roey> g20:32:37 ~ groups
[01:31] <Roey> roey adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin admin
[01:32] <dlee> is there a usb group?
[01:32] <Roey> dlee:  there is not
[01:32] <dlee> are you using kubuntu or suse?
[01:32] <Roey> dlee:  I thought this was supposed to work out-of-the-box, though?
[01:32] <ImLiz> best option is to just change the order of the partitions to have winXP first
[01:32] <tinfoil> yeah, since ubuntu's menu.lst has savedefault all around, you don't need to worry about, it'll just keep booting your last choice
[01:32] <saso> how to add application to start at startup?
[01:33] <dlee> I thought it was supposed to work out of the box as well
[01:33] <genii> !autostart
[01:33] <Roey> dlee:  does it work for you?
[01:33] <dlee> Roey: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[01:33] <dlee> it works for me
[01:33] <saso> tnx
[01:34] <lsemple> why does it say "realtek alc888" in kmix when my sound card is an intel ??
[01:34] <dlee> or are you running opensuse?
[01:34] <tinfoil> damn, i love my new system
[01:34] <ShadowKnight> lsemple: that's what's in you settings. Did you change it to "autodetect"?
[01:35] <ImLiz> One last question for today (I hope), How can I make another user have internet access???
[01:35] <lsemple> hmm
[01:35] <jals> hey, i'm having issues with system tray icons appearing as taskbar items, is there a way to fix this?
[01:35] <tinfoil> i went from a duron 1200 (600 last year) with 512 MB PC133 memory to an Athlon X2 4200+(2200) with 2 GB PC2-5400 (DDR2-667)
[01:35] <ShadowKnight> lsemple: are you running kde or gnome?
[01:35] <jals> like the adept notifier and klipper are windows that won't close
[01:36] <lsemple> ShadowKnight: yeah its on autodetect
[01:36] <lsemple> kde
[01:36] <tinfoil> and Radeon X1050 (poo) to Geforce 6150SE (less poo)
[01:36] <tinfoil> AMD-V and the faster memory are so nice
[01:37] <Roey> dlee:  HH
[01:37] <lsemple> !alsa
[01:38] <dlee> Roey: see if there's a group named usb
[01:38] <lsemple> Im just going to reinstall alsa
[01:39] <lsemple> manually
[01:39] <Roey> dlee:  there is no usb group
[01:40] <Roey> dlee:  hrm, I was not in th e group 'fuse'.
[01:40]  * Roey tries again
[01:40] <Schuenemann> hey, how can I make my pendrive linux bootable?
[01:41] <lsemple> tinfoil: asoundconfig does nothing
[01:43] <tinfoil> asoundconf
[01:43] <Roey> dlee:  no go.
[01:43] <tinfoil> and asoundconfig does do something, it causes the shell to tell you "command not found"
[01:43] <Roey> same problem.
[01:44] <dlee> Roey: i'm out of ideas
[01:44] <Roey> dlee:  heh, ok :)
[01:44] <Roey> dlee:  do you know any other support people here?
[01:44] <lsemple> well my kmix is saying I have a realtek sound card, when I have a intel sound card
[01:44] <dlee> i'm not sure if there are any support people in here
[01:44] <lsemple> and, most of the controls in kmix dont work
[01:44] <dlee> i'm just a user myself
[01:45] <genii> Roey: Are you in groups plugdev audi and video ?
[01:45] <genii> *audio
[01:45] <ImLiz> I added a new user to kubuntu but don't know how to make the new user have internet access. Can anyone help???
[01:46] <genii> ImLiz: Add them to group called "dialout"
[01:46] <jals> any ideas then? try icons in taskbar?
[01:46] <tinfoil> read your pastebin again, it's a VIA audio system based on Intel's HDA spec
[01:47] <ImLiz> genii: as the primary group?
[01:47] <tinfoil> the actual chip that VIA uses is a realtek part
[01:47] <genii> ImLiz: No. The group that is the same as their username is their primary group
[01:48] <lsemple> what about arts ?
[01:49] <genii> !intelhda | lsemple
[01:49] <ShadowKnight> Good night everyone, I gtg.
[01:49] <ImLiz> ah ok, if thats the only step needed, thx genii
[01:49] <lsemple> is that the "alsa sucks" article ?
[01:50] <lsemple> thanks ubottu:
[01:50] <genii> lsemple: It's on the manual compiling of ALSA driver, so possibly ;)
[01:51] <lsemple> havent seen that article yet
[01:52] <lsemple> ShadowKnight: take care
[01:56] <NickPresta> Any idea why changing the Mouse section in xorg.conf would cause resolution to reset to 800x600?
[01:57] <Roey> genii:
[01:57] <Roey> genii:  19:27:27 ~ groups
[01:57] <Roey> roey adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin admin
[01:58] <genii> Roey: Hmm. looks OK there
[01:58] <Roey> ok
[01:58] <Roey> genii:  any special modules need to be loaded?
[01:58] <Roey> fuse is loaded already.
[01:59] <genii> Roey: Whats the filesystem on the usb drive again?
[01:59] <Roey> vfat
[01:59] <Ashex> aw damnit
[01:59] <Roey> genii:  I can mount it as superuser just fine
[01:59] <Ashex> amarok randomly lost the collection
[02:00] <dlee> Roey: what's the error message you get?
[02:00] <Ashex> I had it setup with a mysql database, and I just started it up, and there's nothing in there
[02:00] <Roey> dlee:  http://rafb.net/p/Vs8wON22.html
[02:00] <genii> Roey: Whats the command you are using?
[02:01] <Roey> genii:  I just inserted an SD card into an SD card reader
[02:01] <Roey> genii:  and KDE asks if I want to open it in a new window
[02:01] <Roey> genii:  So I answer "yes"
[02:01] <Roey> and I get a dialog showing that error.
[02:01] <Schuenemann> how to add opensolaris to grub boot?
[02:02] <genii> Roey: Yes I caught that part already. What I'm trying to discover is how "[20:59] <Roey> genii:  I can mount it as superuser just fine"
[02:02] <Roey> genii:  sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt
[02:03] <genii> Roey: Good. Instead use like:    sudo mount -o users,rw /dev/sdc1 /mnt
[02:03] <Roey> hmm
[02:05] <Roey> genii:  what's the effective difference; I still can't automount usb drives under KDE (note: the system seems to be able to automount DVDs just fine)
[02:06] <genii> Roey: The "users" switch allows regular users and not just admins to mount the drive
[02:06] <Roey> genii:  ahhhh then surely you must be asking about /etc/fstab then.
[02:06] <genii> "rw" is somewhat self explanatory hopefully
[02:06] <Roey> aye
[02:06] <Roey> genii:  but still, so it'll work for >this< usb but what if I connect more than one usb device?
[02:06] <Roey> then I'd need multiple entries for each /dev/s?1 device?
[02:07] <Roey> doesn't seem dynamic, like how it should be.
[02:07] <genii> Roey: The options which can be in the /etc/fstab can also be specified on the command line syntax of the mount command, as you just saw with the -o switch
[02:08] <Roey> genii:  right but what's the purpose of mounting it by hand when the System should be doing it automatically for me?
[02:08] <Roey> besides..
[02:08] <Roey> 21:08:27 ~  sudo mount -o remount,users,rw /dev/sdc1 /mnt
[02:08] <Roey> 21:08:30 ~ umount /mnt
[02:08] <Roey> umount: /mnt is not in the fstab (and you are not root)
[02:08] <genii> Roey: I'd recommend to instead use UUID in the fstab and not /dev/name because usb device 1 van be /dev/sdc1 today and /dev/sdg1 tomorrow depending on the order you insert your removeable media. The uuid doesn't change no matter the /dev name
[02:08] <Roey> genii:  hrm.
[02:08] <Roey> genii:  how do I use uuid in the fstab?
[02:09] <Roey> genii, what does your fstab look like?  Can you paste it to http://rafb.net/paste ?
[02:09] <genii> Roey First to discover the UUID. Usually command:   blkid   does this
[02:09] <Roey> I'll paste mine:  http://rafb.net/p/EBWCiC14.html
[02:09] <Roey> genii:  alright
[02:10] <Roey> genii:  doesn't seem to produce any output...
[02:10] <Roey> genii:  (also, I thought it's supposed to detect and mount USB drives automatically, out of the box?)
[02:10] <genii> Roey: My fstab as an example of using UUID there http://rafb.net/p/NsU32825.html
[02:10] <Roey> aht hanks
[02:11] <genii> Roey: Try           sudo blkid
[02:11] <Roey> /dev/sdc1: UUID="4919-B0C9" TYPE="vfat"
[02:12] <Roey> genii:  shoudl I have that in /etc/fstab?
[02:14] <genii> Roey: So something then like a line of:  UUID=4919-B0C9 /media/disk01               vfat    errors=remount-ro 0       0
[02:14] <Roey> ok
[02:14] <genii> Roey: /media/disk01 should exist
[02:14] <Roey> it does not exist
[02:14] <Roey> I sitll don't understand thoughy why HAL isn't working here
[02:18] <dlee> I think there's also the problem of different usb drives
[02:19] <dlee> what happens if you borrow a friend's usb drive?
[02:19] <dlee> you have to add another entry each time
[02:19] <dlee> i think there's a way for hal to mount every new drive with the "users" option set
[02:20] <dlee> i just don't know (or don't remember) how to change that setting
[02:22] <jals> any ideas then? try icons in taskbar?
[02:22] <dlee> but looking at the error message, it doesn't seem like it's hal's problem
[02:22] <dlee> hal's not even receiving the message
[02:23] <cadoo> What's a good ftp client?
[02:25] <genii> Because I'm generally lazy I use Filezilla extension of firefox. But there are lots of others including just the commandline way.
[02:25] <Schuenemann> cadoo, filezilla
[02:25] <Schuenemann> right now I'm using bash ftp (I'm just downloading a file)
[02:26] <genii> Schuenemann: Yup, I do that as well especially on server version without gui
[02:26] <Schuenemann> genii, the problem is that it doesn't tell me the download speed or how much I've downloaded so far
[02:27] <genii> Schuenemann: There is a progress indicator if you wanted it, although it's just hashmarks on the screen :)
[02:27] <cadoo> yeah I guess I'll just deal with the ugly gtk
[02:27] <Moonstorm> !dvd
[02:27] <Schuenemann> genii, I don't see anything, just 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for dsl-4.4.2.iso (52162560 bytes)
[02:27] <dlee> cadoo: dolphin works
[02:27] <Schuenemann> wget provides those hashmarks
[02:28] <genii> Schuenemann: Look in ftp manpage for "hash"
[02:28] <Schuenemann> genii, oh, well... now it's too late. But next time I will
[02:30] <cadoo> dolphin it is just took me a while to figure out how to get the ftp drop down
[02:30] <Art_> Has anybody had any luck getting xsane 0.995 to work in Kubuntu 8.04?
[02:31] <Dunas2> Hello... I'm installing Kubuntu right now, are the settings to make 1440x900 listed in the Ubuntu wiki the same as the ones needed for Kubuntu?
[02:32] <genii> Dunas2: Should work yes. If they say somewhere   gksu gedit     replace that with  kdesu kate          but thats about all
[02:34] <Dunas2> genii: Ah, good... thanks... the big thing is that that took me forever to get working with Ubuntu. Then I tried installing KDE4 Kubuntu desktop and it appears to have screwed up the entire previous install upon uninstallation (speakers no longer work, etc) but I liked the look of KDE, so here goes.
[02:34] <lsemple> why does it say I have a realtek sound card in my codecs when I have an intel ?
[02:35] <TEA-TOO> this was answered earlier
[02:36] <shafada> hi
[02:36] <lsemple> well I am following that article on how to configure alsa for intel sounds cards, but it asks to find out the type of card being used, so I did that, and it says realtek
[02:36] <genii> lsemple: Basically because Intel makes a lot of chips for a lot of different manufacturers and the different manufacturers just slap their own stickers or vendor codes on it.
[02:37] <lsemple> crazy, so my intel is a realtek then?
[02:37] <genii> lsemple: Your Realtek-branded card is an Intel at heart.
[02:37] <lsemple> ahh
[02:40] <Roey> dlee:  I already have a USB drive connected, btw
[02:40] <Roey> er
[02:40] <Roey> I thought I did
[02:40] <Roey> I don't, nevermind
[02:40] <Roey> it's not on.
[02:40] <Roey> ((external USB hard drie)
[02:40] <Roey> *drive
[02:44] <ShadowKnight> lsemple: You still here?
[02:45] <lsemple> yeah
[02:45] <lsemple> now I have no sound :(
[02:45] <ShadowKnight> Oh. Well I managed to fix mine! I don't know what I did, but I screwed around in alsamixer till it worked.
[02:46] <ShadowKnight> btw, it also detects realtek for mine, it doesn't seem to matter.
[02:46] <ShadowKnight> you should also try messing around a bit. It might help.
[02:46] <ShadowKnight> lsemple: what did you do before you lost sound?
[02:47] <lsemple> in the middle of following the instructions on this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[02:48] <ShadowKnight> did you uninstall anything.
[02:48] <ShadowKnight> ?
[02:48] <lsemple> well my card is an alc888
[02:48] <lsemple> so now I just have to configure alsa to use those codecs
[02:50] <ShadowKnight> Oh... good luck.
[02:51] <ShadowKnight> But remember, if it still doesn't work after you're done, mess around with Alsa mixer.
[02:51] <BluesKaj> lsemple, don't forget to fool with the kmix switches and settings too
[02:53] <lsemple> I think I got it figured, I just edited /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, and changed options to snd-hda-intel model=auto
[02:56] <Schuenemann> where can I find instructions on how to add opensolaris to grub menu?
[02:56] <selckin> google?
[02:56] <Schuenemann> anything more specific?
[02:58] <lsemple> ok
[02:58] <BluesKaj> ask in #solaris maybe ?
[02:58] <lsemple> now I have sound but it is very quiet, and I have no "input" section in kmix
[02:59] <BluesKaj> lsemple, have you set up the level ctrls in alsamixer, and Unmuted the relavent sliders?
[03:00] <lsemple> I think its this one "6stack-dig"
[03:00] <lsemple> no I havent
[03:00] <lsemple> alsamixer doesnt work
[03:00] <lsemple> I get errors
[03:00] <lsemple> same as alsamixergui
[03:00] <lsemple> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
[03:01] <BluesKaj> in the terminal type, alsamixer
[03:01] <lsemple> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
[03:01] <BluesKaj> the driver isn't installed in that case
[03:02] <lsemple> ok how do I install the drivers then, I've installed every alsa package I could find already
[03:06] <BluesKaj> lsemple, just for the sake of curiosity what output does cmnd give : cat /proc/asound/cards
[03:07] <dunas> Hello! Is there a service like the restricted drivers program for Ubuntu that Kubuntu has?
[03:07] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:07] <lsemple> lsemple@TIR:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
[03:07] <lsemple>  0 [VT82xx         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA VIA VT82xx
[03:07] <lsemple>                       HDA VIA VT82xx at 0xfebfc000 irq 23
[03:07] <dunas> BluesKaj: How would I access that?
[03:07] <Odd-rationale> dunas: yes. try running jockey-kde
[03:09] <BluesKaj> lsemple,  asoundconf set-default-card "HDA VIA VT82xx"
[03:10] <BluesKaj> lsemple, including the quotes
[03:10] <lsemple> ok, did that, no output
[03:10] <lsemple> testing now
[03:10] <lsemple> BluesKaj: that did nothing I have the same problem
[03:11] <lsemple> kmix has no input section, and the volume is very quiet
[03:11] <BluesKaj> lsemple, check around the intel audio site for a linux driver
[03:11] <lsemple> and alsamixer gives me: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[03:11] <lsemple> yeah I think I got it
[03:12] <Guest72562> Hi room I was wondering how one can make the root folders inaccessible to other users?
[03:15] <lsemple> nice
[03:15] <lsemple> I fixed it all by myself !
[03:15] <Admiral_Chicago> Guest72562: they typically are...
[03:16] <lsemple> woo hooo !
[03:17] <Guest72562> Admiral_Chicago: indeed most are, but certain ones I created I can access the subfolders signed in as another user.
[03:18] <mrksbrd> can u rip cd's with amarok?
[03:18] <BluesKaj> lsemple, good , I'm happy for ya
[03:18] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:19] <mrksbrd> don't see anything related to "rip cd" or anything close
[03:19] <dunas> What should I do to an xorg.conf server using Kubuntu to get it from 1024x768 up to 1440x900
[03:19] <dunas> ?
[03:19] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, to make sure : sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[03:19] <Guest72562> mrksbrd: k3b is for ripping cd's I believe
[03:20] <mrksbrd> ok ty
[03:20] <BluesKaj> ripping isn't burning
[03:21] <Admiral_Chicago> mrksbrd: K3b is what you want
[03:21] <BluesKaj> ripping with k3b can be done by converting files
[03:22] <mrksbrd> i'll try both....thanks guys
[03:22] <Schuenemann> dunas, I just added 1440x900 in the modes sections
[03:23] <Schuenemann> I mean in the modes entry of the display subsection of the screen section
[03:26] <BluesKaj> yeah mrksbrd, you guys who convert wav from cds to mp3s. I forget it's for your music players. I stick with wav files if possible for the audio quality. Never paidmuch attention to the ripping option in k3b. Din'y mean to lead you down the wrong road there.
[03:27] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, why wav instead of flac?
[03:28] <tbearden_> hi all
[03:28] <BluesKaj> I don't burn much to cd , I have my music server here running thru my TiVo in the TV room where the sound system is.
[03:28] <tbearden_>  any idea why ndiswraper won't work on a broadcom unless I load and unload ssb first?
[03:29] <navetz_> can someone please tell me how to record audio input please?
[03:29] <dunas> Getting closer...
[03:30] <BluesKaj> navetz_, live audio, cd audio, what kind of audio from what source ?
[03:30] <navetz_> BluesKaj: sorry, microphone.
[03:31] <BluesKaj> navetz_, audacity is one
[03:32] <dunas> Can someone help me figure out why my xorg.conf won't allow me to hit 1440x900 when I know this monitor is capable of it?
[03:32] <navetz_> BluesKaj: I have issues with audacity, whenever I record something and try to play it, it says Error while opening sound device.
[03:34] <dunas> Can someone please help with this problem? It's driving me insane.
[03:34] <BluesKaj> dunas, you can set the monitor drivers up in system settings /monitor & display/ admin mode/hardware/configure
[03:35] <dunas> BluesKaj: Which I did- it's currently using a restricted Nvidia driver, or it should be. The problem is that even with that it's not registering 1440x900.
[03:36] <BluesKaj> nope, not the graphics card driver , the Monitor driver
[03:36] <dunas> ...monitor driver?
[03:36] <Phoenix92x> hi. I'm running kubuntu 8.04 and am having some sound trouble. I have a 5.1 speaker system and a video file with 5.1 ac3 sound but when playing back 5.1 sound over vlc, smplayer and kaffeine it seems as if there are entire channels missing when I switch to 5.1 sound. 4.0 and stereo work fine. If someone could help me figure this out I would greatly apprecaite it
[03:36] <BluesKaj> dunas, is your monitor listed ?
[03:37] <dunas> BluesKaj: No, and that's the thing, I managed to force it to work in ubuntu, but now it's giving me a fit over it again in Kubuntu.
[03:37] <BluesKaj> navetz_, in kmix , make sure your mic input is turned on .
[03:37] <dunas> I remember manually having to edit the xorg.conf, but people were able to provide me with things I needed to do there.
[03:38] <navetz_> BluesKaj: it is.
[03:39] <BluesKaj> dunas, hang on ... there should be a monitor listed , could be pnp or custom , or generic . If you use the admin mode and config the monitor , it should be listed in the drop down
[03:40] <BluesKaj> navetz_, does you sound system work other wise , like listening and recording from cds etc ?
[03:41] <navetz_> BluesKaj: yes, but I did have to install the sound drivers on my own because they didn't work out of the box
[03:41] <ShadowKnight> lsemple: still here?
[03:42] <BluesKaj> navetz_, ok that's pretty normal. I'd just do a search for apps that do line input recording . Odd that audacity isn't working.
[03:44] <Schuenemann> dunas, did you add that resolution to xorg.conf?
[03:46] <dunas> BluesKaj: There is, sort of. I'm using Generic LCD 1440x900.
[03:46] <dunas> Schuenemann: Yeah, I did, only it's still not showing up.
[03:47] <Schuenemann> dunas, is it a LG? Mine isn't in the list either
[03:47] <BluesKaj> dunas, so there isn't any other model of your monitor brand in the list ?
[03:48] <dunas> Schuenemann, BluesKaj: No. This is an Acer P191w, not very good at talking with the GPU but it gets the job done.
[03:49] <BluesKaj> dunas, it might be worth trying to find a driver at the ACER site before going any further with xorg.conf editing .
[03:50] <dunas> BluesKaj: The frustrating thing is I had an xorg.conf set up that made it work, just earlier today.
[03:51] <Schuenemann> dunas, maybe you still have that file
[03:51] <Schuenemann> as a backup
[03:51] <dunas> Schuenemann: No... long story short, I had to do a clean install because I got a little overambitious trying things.
[03:52] <Schuenemann> eh
[03:52] <Schuenemann> heh*
[03:54] <BluesKaj> dunas , graphics card is ?
[03:57] <dennister> hi channel...looking for some advice from an experienced install person :-)
[03:58] <selckin> !ask
[03:58] <BluesKaj> hi dennister , depends what you mean by " experienced " :)
[03:58] <dennister> what would cause a computer to completely stall during an installation, no matter what ubuntu cd ur using? minimal (gutsy), server (gutsy) even hardy livecd won't start
[03:59] <dennister> i've checked the cds for defects, none, this same pc has had ubuntu on it before...
[03:59] <BluesKaj> prolly the HAL...the hardware isn't being recognized and the generic default fallback stuff doesn't work
[04:00] <dennister> BluesKaj: hey there :-) long time no chat
[04:00] <BluesKaj> hey again dennister ..hows things ?
[04:01] <dennister> yes, but the first time I installed kubuntu on this same pc it went in without a hitch...only thing that's changed is the cpu (lower duron)
[04:01] <dennister> this morning I was able to at least load ubuntu hardy's livecd...now it hangs with that, too
[04:02] <ShadowKnight> lsemple: Congrats on fixing it.
[04:02] <dennister> BluesKaj: as to how it's going with me, do urself a favour: don't ask! :-)
[04:02] <BluesKaj> well, apart from the problem at hand then :)
[04:05] <BluesKaj> dunas , check this site , you might find some settings in the conf file that apply to your setup ,IF you are running a Nvidia card
[04:05] <dennister> i even tried finishing up my pxe install server...but am getting nowhere...all these howtos that are online keep referring to other howtos, which end up being out of date...and when you think ur done a difficult section, the howto tells you a simpler way! <argh!!!>
[04:05] <BluesKaj> dunas, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=788699
[04:06] <dennister> wtf don't they put the simpler option first?!!!
[04:06] <dunas> BluesKaj: Got it working independently, bookmarked a pastebin with the info in it using firefox and foxmarks for future reference and/or usage.
[04:06] <dennister> needless to say....this is one frustrated mother here
[04:06] <dunas> BluesKaj: Speaking of firefox, is there a command in Kubuntu to install FF3 and its nonfree addons (flash, java etc) like there is Ubuntu?
[04:07] <BluesKaj> bummer dennister , wish i knew more about it
[04:07] <tinfoil> dunas: same command
[04:07] <dennister> genii: u awake?
[04:07] <dennister> BluesKaj: hey, ur moral support means a lot :-)
[04:07] <dunas> tinfoil: Ahh... refresh my memory a little? >.o This morning seems so long ago.
[04:07] <tinfoil> kubuntu is just ubuntu with KDE instead of GNOME
[04:07] <genii> dennister: Somewhat. It's been a long day.
[04:08] <dennister> ahhh, ok, well do u have plans for the weekend?
[04:08] <tinfoil> dunas: if you know apt-get or aptitude, they're still part of kubuntu, if you use synaptic, find adept manager in the K menu, it's the same type of tool
[04:08] <el1te> hey all....anyone remember i was here a couple days ago talking about a tv-card oscilloscope project i was working on and that i needed btaudio module?
[04:09] <BluesKaj> dunas, you cans till use synaptic in kde as well as adept and apt
[04:09] <BluesKaj> still
[04:09] <tinfoil> that too ^^
[04:09] <dennister> genii: look up ^^^^ and read my kibbutzing...I need someone like you and it may take too long tonight if ur tired
[04:09] <dunas> tinfoil: I know, I'm just having trouble remembering the commands. ><
[04:10] <dennister> genii: at this rate I can have you over and pay a consulting fee, lol
[04:10] <tinfoil> synaptic and adept are GUI tools, you just read the buttons and click the good ones
[04:10] <genii> dennister: I'm leaving for Tweed on Sat afternoon, gone for a week.
[04:10] <sub[t]rnl> genii➜ heyas.  long time no see  eh?
[04:11] <dennister> genii: shoot
[04:11] <genii> sub[t]rnl: Hiya :)
[04:11] <tinfoil> also, anyone have a recommendation for an efficient and quiet low power PSU?
[04:11] <sub[t]rnl> dunas➜ sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[04:11] <el1te> can someone look at a project im doing and tell me if it can be done with kubuntu 8.04 kde remix
[04:11] <tinfoil> low power, like around 300W
[04:11] <genii> dennister: Wek after that I'm back in Toronto for part 2 of vacation
[04:11] <dunas> sub[t]rnl: Thank you. =D
[04:11] <genii> *week
[04:11] <asobi> will repo ever have second life?
[04:11] <sub[t]rnl> nice g, enjoy yourself. :P
[04:11] <dunas> sub[t]rnl: What's the non-free command? sudo apt-get install firefoxnonfree?
[04:11] <dennister> genii: perhaps you'd like to earn a few bucks during week 2 then?
[04:12] <tinfoil> install the firefox package instead if you're on hardy, that way you'll get updates automatically
[04:12] <dennister> to better enjoy the rest of week 2? :-)
[04:12] <genii> dennister: Setting up your PXE server? ;)
[04:12] <sub[t]rnl> dunas➜ not sure.
[04:12] <dennister> yep...i've tried, and made a mess
[04:12] <dunas> Firefox... package? @_@
[04:13] <tinfoil> 'apt-get install firefox' instead of firefox-3.0
[04:13] <genii> dennister: Talk to me after I get back
[04:13] <genii> dennister: (next Sat, I'll be on here like usual)
[04:13] <tinfoil> and there is no meta package with all the nonfree stuff, you need to do those your self
[04:13] <BluesKaj> dunas , flashplugin-nonfree and just install FF the normal way
[04:13] <dennister> genii: ok...will continue to struggle...
[04:13] <tinfoil> i'd recommend searching for info about aptitude and/or adept
[04:14] <tinfoil> IMHO, it's better to learn your tools than memorize specific commands
[04:14] <dennister> ok, just thought of one thing I haven't tried yet for Scott's machine...leave the pxe for another day
[04:14] <sub[t]rnl> and heyas BluesKaj.  good to see the old faces.
[04:14] <el1te> when someone has a minute msg me if you got a little time to help me with a project i working on
[04:14] <tinfoil> 'man aptitude' if you like CLI, just run Adept Manager and hit the help if you like GUI
[04:15] <BluesKaj> hi sub[t]rnl ...think i prolly know you by a diff nick perhaps ?
[04:15] <dunas> BluesKaj, tinfoil, sub[t]rnl: thanks to all three of you guys, managed to get all of that up and running at long last.
[04:16] <BluesKaj> dunas, np, glad to help
[04:16] <BluesKaj> getting late here ..sacktime for me . nighty night all
[04:16] <Alex_G> Could anyone help me with Ubuntu?
[04:16] <dunas> Now how the heck do I convince Kubuntu that I want to have Firefox as the default, not Konqueror...
[04:16] <genii> BluesKaj: Night
[04:16] <dunas> BluesKaj: 'Night.
[04:18] <genii> asobi: You mean will someone host a repository of for instance Warty so you could keep using it?
[04:18] <inaety_> My iPod mounts to "/media/DANNYS IPO" but when I enter that in the amaroK iPod configuration it says it cant be found
[04:18] <sub[t]rnl> dunas➜ systemsettings -> default applications -> web browser
[04:18] <genii> asobi: Or will the program Second Life ever be in the repositories?
[04:19] <asobi> latter
[04:19] <mr---t-> dunas: go into preferences in ff and check make this my default browser
[04:19] <genii> asobi: Probably not
[04:19] <asobi> :/
[04:19] <mr---t-> or above
[04:20] <asobi> is it safe to install from outside of repo?
[04:20] <el1te> does kubuntu 8.04 live cd have all the stuff in the kernel "BUILT-IN" or is almost all of it "MODULES"
[04:20] <genii> asobi: You could always ask them in #ubuntu-devel if anyone is working on it, or if why no, then why not. Likely because closed sources
[04:21] <asobi> thanks
[04:21] <genii> el1te: Almost all is modules
[04:22] <el1te> genii do you know if this is "M" snd-bt87x
[04:22] <el1te> cause i need to modify and reload it
[04:23] <genii> el1te: Definitely a module
[04:23] <el1te> sweet
[04:23] <el1te> genii could you have a quick look at something for me please
[04:24] <genii> el1te: At this point i can't get into a lengthy help session. But I'll take a peek.
[04:25] <el1te> k 1 sec i pastebin it
[04:25]  * genii sips and waits for a pastebin url or something
[04:25] <el1te> http://pastebin.ca/1056924
[04:26] <el1te> ok he has an ensoniq scard instead of my onboard sound in that guide thats only thing different
[04:26] <el1te> besides OS of course
[04:27] <el1te> i jsut want to know if i would be able to get that to load correctly since i will be using live cd
[04:27] <genii> e\
[04:27] <genii> bah
[04:28] <el1te> :)
[04:28] <el1te> what you think
[04:28] <genii> el1te: Right now when I read it it's not making sense. But I'm very tired.
[04:28] <el1te> the bt878 module is for the tv-card sound device
[04:29] <el1te> i need to reload the module....hes doing it in /etc/modprobe.conf to make it permament
[04:29] <el1te> how you spell that
[04:29] <dennister> well, the other, older drive is working better than the newer one in this attempt
[04:30] <el1te> basically line 20-22 is what i wondering i can do?
[04:30] <dennister> we'll see if it gets past 83% (kernel)
[04:30] <dennister> that's where it hung during the one instance today where it actually got that far
[04:32] <genii> el1te: I think slot0 and slot1 get determined by the order they are plugged into motherboard (pci slot 1 thru whatever) So whichever has lower pci id should be card0       "slot1" or so I'm not usre is valid syntax
[04:32] <lsemple> why whenever I change songs in amarok, it gives me an error saying "xine was unable to load any audio drivers",
[04:32] <lsemple> but when I reset amarok, it plays for the first song, but I get the same error when I go to switch to the next song
[04:33] <genii> el1te: It's been a 17 hour day so far, so mind is not so sharp right now :)
[04:33] <dennister> how's hardy doing, anyway...are people still complaining? I still have difficulty with dvd's in my one installation, but that server is the only one where samba is working flawlessly
[04:34] <genii> dennister: pulseaudio and the new xorg.conf setup are giving ppl headaches.
[04:35] <dennister> and every once in awhile the hardy server gives me a bad, too-big resolution
[04:35] <epimeth> I've had zero problems with it on my lappy... except for with visual effects but thats nothing to do with hardy
[04:35] <dennister> genii: not having a prob with audio, just the xorg...a ctrl-alt-backspace returns my proper resolution, but it's still annoying
[04:36] <genii> dennister: Also in kubuntu specifically, kde3 vs kde4 is going on. kde3 will not be supprted after a time so we will have to get used to kde4 eventually.
[04:36] <epimeth> nooooooooo
[04:36] <epimeth> say it aint so!
[04:36] <genii> epimeth: ?
[04:36] <genii> epimeth: heh kde4 ?
[04:36] <epimeth> yup
[04:36] <dennister> i was hoping to put hardy on my son's pc here that I'm working on now, but dvd's are crucial to his needs, so it's gutsy
[04:37] <genii> epimeth: Sad but true. The KDE team upstream will not be maintaining the 3.x
[04:37] <dennister> genii: do u know when they're going to stop?
[04:37] <genii> dennister: No.
[04:37] <genii> At least not yet
[04:37] <epimeth> although... I'm sure that by 4.2 or so I'll be happier with it
[04:38] <genii> Maybe. The 3.x series didn't really start to get good until 3.3 or so
[04:38] <joker> hi all
[04:39] <dennister> well, i have some time here with scott's machine, so if i ever get gutsy server installed here, and multimedia working, i may upgrade it to hardy afterwards...to see if the gutsy-->hardy dist-upgrade wrecks the dvd/cd stuff
[04:39] <dennister> i've refused the dist-upgrade option every time its offered on my other two servers
[04:40] <epimeth> dennister: hardy is LTS tho.. so these problems will definitely be solved within the next year or so :-)
[04:40] <epimeth> however, I'm *still* waiting for VPN support :-(
[04:40] <genii> 8.04.1 is supposedly sometime in July
[04:41] <epimeth> kde VPN support... gnome is great
[04:41] <dennister> ok, the installer on scott's machine is up to 83%, the linux-image...we'll see if it actually goes in this time
[04:41] <epimeth> dennister: have you tried low lever formatting the drive?
[04:41] <dennister> epimeth: because its LTS, I was quite anxious to start using it when it came out, but I was sorely disappointed...usually ubuntu
[04:42] <epimeth> dennister: cuz I've had problems with bad sectors killing installs.  a LLF fixed it up
[04:42] <genii> dennister: If you catch me at work tomorrow I could pastebin my preseed file for totally automated. I can't get there right now since it's not diretly connected to internet.
[04:42] <dennister> 's new releases work beautifully...but hardy broke that pattern for the worse
[04:42] <dennister> genii: i'm afraid i'm at the cnib tomorrow, so not near a computer myself
[04:43] <genii> dennister: OK. Another time then
[04:43] <epimeth> I know lots of people had problems, but I strongly believe its a hardware thing.  this lappy is a dell and about 2 years old and I never had a problem
[04:44] <dennister> genii: when u get back is ok...it's going in!!! whipeee!!!
[04:44] <dennister> at 93% with mini.iso
[04:44] <genii> epimeth: This laptop is about a year old (a Gateway) and everything from 6.06 up ran without a hitch except for my HDA soundcard
[04:45] <dennister> looks like it was the drive...mothing really tests ur optical drives like a linux installation
[04:45] <el1te> can someone tell me why mirc in windows connects to freenode fine but konversation always hangs in the status window
[04:45] <genii> dennister: Yup. I find the Mitsumi cd drives fail a lot. LG has never done me wrong however.
[04:46]  * genii wants another Plextor when he gets the $
[04:46] <el1te> i set my router to use the linux box as far as port forwarding for 113 and 6666-6669
[04:46] <dennister> genii: hey, i have an external plextor here now
[04:47] <el1te> i have to switch to my windows box just to chat in here
[04:47] <genii> dennister: I have a SCSI3 external Plextor but the speeds suck since it's an older one now
[04:47] <el1te> its stupid
[04:47] <genii> el1te: Try using port 8001 from konversation
[04:47]  * epimeth wants a new Lenovo... mmmmm
[04:47] <dennister> LG's are usually very good...both of them in scott's machine are lg, so I'll have to really clean his dvdrw one...that's the newer one that was giving me probs today...using the older cdrw/dvdrom now, and it's going ok
[04:47] <dennister> genii: this one I have here is probably the same
[04:48] <dennister> but I got an absolutely huge wacom tablet last night
[04:48] <dennister> the size of a tower, for crying out loud
[04:48] <epimeth> dennister: thats what *she* said.
[04:48] <genii> dennister: Cool. I have an ancient Summagraphics that has a surface of 11x17  but needs a new power supply
[04:49] <dennister> well, i haven't tested this one yet, but after i get scott's machine done I may, because he's the only artist I know who might be able to get some use out of it
[04:50] <dennister> this surface is like 18x24...or larger
[04:51] <dennister> epimeth: "she"???
[04:51] <jessica> how can i install kde but without all the apps
[04:51] <genii> With great difficulty
[04:52] <dennister> lol
[04:52] <epimeth> dennister: yea... "huge 'wacom' tablet.  wink wink, nudge nudge
[04:53] <dennister> ahhhh
[04:53] <dennister> sexual joke
[04:53] <dennister> <-------female
[04:53] <genii> jessica: the package of kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which has all the applications as dependencies. But if you remove it then all the apps go as well. If you only install the package of kde then you also need to manually install for instance each application even the basic ones manually. This includes the login manager.
[04:54] <dennister> we don't think like u guys do...about sex all the time
[04:54] <epimeth> jessica: install the kde-core package
[04:54] <jessica> ok thanks epimeth
[04:54] <epimeth> dennister: my girlfriend says that sooooo much more than I do
[04:54] <yuriy> genii, jessica: you can remove kubuntu-desktop without removing anything else. but by default if you try to remove it with e.g. aptitude it will want to remove all the other stuff too
[04:54] <epimeth> jessica: no worries :-)
[04:55] <epimeth> dennister: and you can't tell me you've never heard the "thats what he/she said" line before!
[04:56] <dennister> ok, now the mini.iso installation has hung at the selecting software stage (at least core system is installed!)...keyboard's totally frozen
[04:56] <dennister> epimeth: yes, i've heard it, but not in the context of kubuntu irc channel
[04:56] <epimeth> jessica: I'd suggest you also install kdm, amarok, adept, and konversation at the very least
[04:57] <epimeth> dennister: well now you have! :-)
[04:57] <genii> dennister: It will likely need to time out trying to reach a repository
[04:58] <jessica> thanks
[04:58] <dennister> lol...i'm gonna have to shut the machine down before grub is isntalled...gonna need some help afterwards, methinks
[04:59] <epimeth> genii: isn't the only default rep the cd/dvd?
[04:59] <jessica> lol i have school in 3 hours and i havnt slept yet
[04:59] <dennister> genii: it's at the choosing software stage...i cannot use any keyboard buttons at all...not alt-F4 to get to konzole, tab, enter...nada
[04:59] <jessica> #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:59] <epimeth> jessica: we've all been there :-)
[04:59] <jessica> oops
[04:59] <jessica> i forgot the join thing
[04:59] <dennister> i'd agree with you if i'd had a chance to choose any software and it's been asked to search the repositories, but it hasn't
[04:59] <jessica> there we go
[05:00] <jessica> lol sorry about that everyone finding tierd is taking most of my brain power
[05:00] <dennister> epimeth: i'm using the minimal install cd...not the livecd or alternate cd...so all packages would be downloaded
[05:01] <epimeth> dennister: there's a minimal install cd?  I was wondering what you meant by mini.iso
[05:01] <dennister> now u know...with less than 10MB, there's less chance of a needed file not being read by the drive
[05:02] <ricardo> hola hello
[05:02] <ricardo> Que hacen, what's up?
[05:02] <epimeth> dennister: anyhoo... off to bed.  work tomorow :-)
[05:02] <dennister> epimeth: they don't publicize the existence of these mini.isos much
[05:02] <dennister> good night
[05:03] <epimeth> surprising, actually... please send me a memo with its location?
[05:03] <dennister> genii: gonna shut machine down, may need help
[05:03] <dennister> epimeth: if i see u again, i'll give you the link
[05:03] <dennister> googling might pinpoint it
[05:03] <epimeth> dennister: just /memoserve epimeth URL
[05:03] <epimeth> dennister: pleeeeease
[05:04] <genii> dennister: I'll be here not much longer. In fact likeley less than 15 minutes
[05:04]  * epimeth gives dennister puppy dog eyes
[05:04] <dennister> oh..lol
[05:04] <epimeth> dennister: erm... /msg memoserv
[05:06] <dennister> genii: ok, well don't worry about me...i may be able to resolve this myself...shouldn't be that hard actually...reserve ur assistance for my pxe install server :)
[05:10] <mrksbrd> genii: no massive amounts of caffine tonight?
[05:10] <el1te> how much space does kubuntu 8.04 kde remix need to install to
[05:10] <el1te> i have 1.7gig ext3 fs and a 400mb swap
[05:10] <mrksbrd> 4gb recommended
[05:11] <el1te> for the cd?
[05:11] <genii> mrksbrd: It's after midnight on a workday so no :)
[05:11] <dennister> genii: good night
[05:11] <el1te> mrksbrd what is minimum system requirements
[05:11] <geega> how to get quick lanchers in the task bar in KUBUNTU 8 version
[05:12] <mrksbrd> 256mb ram & 4gb to install
[05:12] <el1te> omg
[05:12] <mrksbrd> running from cd 384mb ram
[05:12] <Admiral_Chicago> geega: what kind of quick launchers?
[05:13] <Admiral_Chicago> like a desktop file to launch an application?
[05:13] <geega> daily usage application i want to keep
[05:13] <Admiral_Chicago> err not desktop file...you know whay i mean
[05:13] <geega> like windows quick launch
[05:14] <mrksbrd> geega: right click on desktop......create new......link to application
[05:14] <el1te> mrksbrd thats for the dvd not a cd install
[05:14] <mrksbrd> u have to know install directory where app is though
[05:15] <mrksbrd> i'm looking @ the cd sleeve right now
[05:16] <el1te> crap
[05:16] <el1te> i dont believe it is
[05:16] <el1te> thats for a full install with it connecting to net
[05:16] <el1te> usually live cds (700meggers with squashfs) expand on hd to under 2gigs
[05:17] <el1te> right?
[05:18] <mrksbrd> i'm looking @ the cd sleeve right now'To use the Live CD, you should have @ least 384mb of RAM.  Alternatively you can install Kubuntu directly from the CD start-up menu on machines with @ least 256MB of RAM.  You should also have @ least 4GB of disk space available for installation"
[05:18] <mrksbrd> quoted from the sleeve itself
[05:19] <el1te> ok
[05:19] <el1te> shiat
[05:19] <el1te> "should" ?
[05:19] <el1te> have you did an install to hd from the live cd desktop? just wondering if the installer lets you not install packages
[05:20] <el1te> or is it just a one-click solution
[05:20] <mrksbrd> if u don't have enough storage on the drive....then just run it in live mode.....but u won't beable to save anything
[05:20] <el1te> mrksbrd thats what i really want is live mode but i dont think i can
[05:20] <geega> mkrsbrd it is not working
[05:20] <geega> i coudlnt see the "create knew there
[05:20] <el1te> i need to reload my sound mdoules and re-initailize my sound systems somehow
[05:21] <mrksbrd> should be first option on the dropdown menu
[05:22] <el1te> mrksbrd have you been using linux for a while
[05:22] <mrksbrd> off and on yes
[05:22] <el1te> do you think you could take a look at something and tell me if it can be done from the live cd...if it can ill do it...im just not sure it can
[05:22] <mrksbrd> how much ram do u have?
[05:23] <el1te> 512mb im running it right now on my other machine
[05:23] <el1te> from live cd
[05:23] <el1te> but what i want to do i dont know if it can be done from live cd
[05:23] <mrksbrd> are u saying your sound card isn't working?
[05:24] <el1te> well i have  2 sound cards (my onboard sound card which actually has two itself cause it has soundstorm apu but i dont care about that one) and i have a scard inside my tv-card
[05:24] <el1te> my ac97 is showing in lsmod
[05:24] <el1te> my bt87x isnt showing in lsmod for the tv-card
[05:25] <el1te> i mean it isnt showing when i do an 'ls /dev/dsp*'
[05:25] <mrksbrd> try lshw
[05:25] <el1te> k 1 sec
[05:25] <mrksbrd> !bt87x
[05:28] <el1te> yea thats normal
[05:28] <mrksbrd> does it show what u r looking for?
[05:28] <el1te> there needs to be a setting in /etc/modprobe.conf first for it to load
[05:28] <el1te> 1sec
[05:29] <el1te> pastebin is being a bitch
[05:31] <mrksbrd> who makes the card u are looking for & what is the model?
[05:32] <el1te> well i know it is supported thats not the problem
[05:32] <el1te> http://www.domenech.org/bt878a-adc/alsa-e.htm <<<<look at step 1.2
[05:32] <el1te> i need to do that in the /etc/modprobe.conf file but there isnt one on a live cd
[05:34] <el1te> and in step 1.3 he restarts the pc for that to take affect
[05:34] <el1te> i need to do it without restarting the pc
[05:34] <el1te> to use live cd
[05:34] <pulaski> Hello I'm tryin to run a command "sudo mymount" on boot.  I'm unsure where it goes in init.d/rc.local.  I found an answer on ubuntuforums have "goto system>preferences>sessions you can add it there".  My kubuntu 8.04 menu item "system" does not have a submenu item"preferences".  Can anyone let me know how I could obtain the same effect?
[05:35] <mrksbrd> can't do it w/o restarting
[05:35] <el1te> damn
[05:35] <el1te> there isnt a -reinitialize sound
[05:35] <el1te> or --reconfigure?
[05:36] <geega> :(( i could;t see the quick lanch bar yet. if show desktop icon is there. that will be good
[05:36] <mrksbrd> live cd is made pretty much just to try out the system b4 a full install, some options might not be avail in live mode
[05:36] <el1te> can the live cd read any configs of a ext3 partion on the hd?
[05:36] <el1te> of = off
[05:36] <sub[t]rnl> pulaski➜ put your command before the "exit 0" in rc.local
[05:37] <pulaski> sub[t]rnl: Thanks a lot I'll try it.
[05:37] <mrksbrd> that i'm not sure of el1te
[05:37] <sub[t]rnl> pulaski➜ you can also create a script in /etc/init.d/ then do sudo update-rc.d scriptname defaults
[05:38] <el1te> i appreciate your help...i was hoping i could do it from the live-cd but i was thinking like you said....pc probably needs restarted
[05:38] <el1te> still thinking
[05:39] <el1te> man i cant beleive it takes 4gigs
[05:39] <mrksbrd> sub[t]rnl: do u know if u can even access modprobe.conf from live cd mode & edit it to recognize hw w/o reboot????
[05:40] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[05:40] <crimsun_> mrksbrd: you don't need to use modprobe.conf
[05:40] <sub[t]rnl>  /etc/modules is where you add them to load on reboot
[05:40] <crimsun_> just unload the affected modules and reload them, passing the required parameters
[05:40] <sub[t]rnl> might look at modprobe too
[05:41] <pulaski> sub[t]rnl: Looks good I'm going to test it Thanks again.
[05:41] <crimsun_> e.g., sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel options=foo
[05:41] <mrksbrd> el1te is trying to get it to regognize a piece of his hw, but in a tutorial he has it is stating a "reboot' is needed
[05:42] <crimsun_> it's quite possible, but that requirement is a fairly uncommon use case
[05:42] <crimsun_> I can think of only a couple hardware-related such requirements
[05:42] <el1te> hmm
[05:43] <el1te> lshw shows it unclaimed
[05:43] <el1te> and also my soundstorm apu which like i said i dont care about that one
[05:44] <mrksbrd> is it pci based?
[05:44] <el1te> the soundstorm in on motherboard and the bt87x is in the tv-card in a pci-slot
[05:44] <corinth> Let's see. I installed KDE4 using sudo apt-get install kde4-kubuntu-desktop, but now I want to remove all of the packages it installed. Any way to do this without removing each package manually?
[05:45] <mrksbrd> hmmm
[05:46] <el1te> i mean right now i should be able to modprobe that card and get it to be claimed
[05:46] <el1te> without a restart.
[05:46] <el1te> i gonna disable my sound card (onboard in bios)
[05:46] <el1te> then i dont think i need to do that config file
[05:46] <mrksbrd> worth a shot
[05:47] <el1te> k br
[05:47] <el1te> brb
[05:47] <mrksbrd> i usually don't run from cd
[05:47] <mrksbrd> so i'm not sure og the capabilities
[05:49] <mrksbrd> corinth: sudo apt-get autoremove kde4
[05:51] <mrksbrd> corinth......u there?
[05:52] <twentyafterfour> anyone else noticed bash locking up in guttsy?  After upgrading a lot of my shell scripts hang up the shell and bash just sits there using 100% cpu
[05:52] <corinth> mrksbrd: Yeah, I'm trying it. One sec. :-)
[05:52] <mrksbrd> k
[05:52] <mrksbrd> didn't know if u saw it
[05:55] <corinth> mrksbrd: It says that the package kde4 is not installed, so not removed.
[05:56] <mrksbrd> hold on
[05:59] <mrksbrd> try this... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=677588&highlight=uninstall+kde4
[06:00] <mrksbrd> i'm going to bed...............goodnight all
[06:01] <pulaski> sub[t]rnl: I did the udate init.d as you suggested but it may have executed before X was loaded and thus didn't have the disired efffect.  I've configured the behavior of my Desktop to place icons for each of my mounted file systems on the Desktop.  My file systems are all mounted by the time x is finished loading but the icons don't appear unless I run a script to umount one of them then mount it again.  After that all the file
[06:01] <pulaski> system icons appear as I prefer.  Perhaps you know of some other way to obtain this result?.
[06:02] <navetz_> hey guys, I can't get my microphone to work in audacity through ALSA, it works through OSS but once I record something it says that my device is busy and I cant record again until I restart audicity. any ideas?
[06:03] <flaccid> navetz_: find what is locking your card with fuser
[06:04] <sub[t]rnl> pulaski➜ try placing it in ~.kde/Autostart/ and chmod u+x the script.  if your wanting the script to have more of a delay before executing, try using sleep.  e.g. echo hi;sleep 3;echo hi
[06:05] <sub[t]rnl> though.. its a sloppy hack to what the real issue is.
[06:05] <flaccid> navetz_: probably fuser -v /dev/snd/* and/or fuser -v /dev/dsp*
[06:05] <pulaski> sub[t]rnl:  Yes it is a hack but I'll try it, thanks.
[06:07] <flaccid> navetz_: this helps http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ and you should be able to find more OSS specific sites about it too
[06:51] <yurimxpxman> I've got a logitech quickcam express.. seems to be detected, but I can't get a webcam app to work with it. Help?
[06:51] <flaccid> !webcam | yurimxpxman
[06:51] <flaccid> check the support first and also use this site to verify http://www.quickcamteam.net/hcl/linux/logitech-webcams
[06:51] <yurimxpxman> flaccid: nothing I've found online has been of help
[06:51] <yurimxpxman> flaccid: it's supposed to be supported
[06:52] <flaccid> and what told you it is supposed to be support and have you visited and fully read the 3 above links?
[06:52] <yurimxpxman> flaccid: I've been to all three links (and dozens more). The lsusb output is:  046d:0840 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express
[06:53] <deadsouls> is there any way to skip through .MOV files? i can't skip through any MOV files testing with 3 separate movie players
[06:53] <yurimxpxman> deadsouls: it sounds like you're using non-seekable files
[06:53] <el1te> i dont like that new "X" in 12.1 there are to many option when in expert mode
[06:53] <el1te> :)
[06:53] <el1te> during install
[06:54] <deadsouls> yurimxpxman, it seeks, but only in giant chunks, though sometimes it won't seek at all
[06:54] <deadsouls> it happens with every .mov file
[06:54] <yurimxpxman> deadsouls: have you tried VLC?
[06:54] <flaccid> yurimxpxman: then you would of read that it uses the qc-usb driver and is non-uvc, so assuming you tried this driver and failed, it says "If you run into issues, please try to contact the drivers' authors"
[06:54] <deadsouls> yurimxpxman, nope
[06:54] <yurimxpxman> deadsouls: btw, ".mov file" tells us nothing.. we need to know the actual format it's in (eg, mp4?)
[06:54] <el1te> can someone take a look at this project im doing and tell me what i need to install to be able to complete the project
[06:55] <el1te> http://www.domenech.org/bt878a-adc/alsa-e.htm <<<if you want to take a look
[06:55] <deadsouls> if it's .MOV that is a good indication that it's probably quicktime
[06:55] <el1te> it was FC4 but im installing slack 12.1
[06:55] <yurimxpxman> deadsouls: "quicktime" doesn't mean much of anything, either. It's only a container.
[06:55] <el1te> i only have like 2.0gigs to isntall to
[06:55] <el1te> thats why i trying to trim it down
[06:55] <yurimxpxman> deadsouls: run the `file` command on it and tell us what it says
[06:56] <deadsouls> Selected video codec: [ffqtrle] vfm: ffmpeg (QuickTime Animation (RLE))
[06:56] <deadsouls> that's what mplayer returns
[06:56] <flaccid> yurimxpxman: looks like you probably need to compile. http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qc-usb&searchon=names&suite=hardy&section=all or do from homepage of driver: http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/
[06:56] <flaccid> case closed :)
[06:57] <yurimxpxman> flaccid: I tried to compile it, but it returned errors.. someone else on the forums had the same problem, and no one found a solution
[06:57] <el1te> i can see already im not gonna have enough space
[06:57] <flaccid> yurimxpxman: thats life. still, i havent been shown these errors so can't help unless they are shown to us :)
[06:58] <yurimxpxman> flaccid: I'm pasting them now.. be patient
[06:58] <flaccid> yurimxpxman: thats also quite different to your initial question :)
[06:58] <flaccid> im a very patient person heh
[06:58] <yurimxpxman> flaccid: http://pastebin.com/m2c14b6ce
[06:59] <hilfi> el1te: why are you telling us all that ... you realize that this is the kubuntu support # and not the slackware ...
[07:01] <el1te> omg i forgot im sorry
[07:01] <el1te> kubuntu wouldnt let me install
[07:01] <el1te> to 2gigs so i had to find another distro
[07:01] <el1te> shiat
[07:02] <el1te> sorry bout that fellas
[07:02] <hilfi> el1te: dsl or feather linux is very small
[07:02] <flaccid> !enter el1te
[07:02] <flaccid> yurimxpxman: please give me some time to analyse
[07:02] <el1te> they cant work cause it wont let me restart the computer with updated /etc/modprobe.conf
[07:02] <yurimxpxman> flaccid: okay
[07:03] <el1te> same with kubuntu live cd
[07:03] <el1te> i know they have hd-install options but the apps are really restricted
[07:04] <hilfi> el1te: i don't realy understand what you are trying to do
[07:04] <yurimxpxman> flaccid: I see some patch files in the tarball.. I tried to install one, but it said "patch: **** strip count linux-2.6.18.patch is not a number"
[07:05] <yurimxpxman> flaccid: nvm.. I'm stupid :)
[07:05] <el1te> hilfii have to enter a couple commands to get the snd-bt87x to load the module and find my tv-card andalog to digital converter chip so i can make it into an oscilloscope
[07:05] <el1te> and then it says restart computer to make changes take affect
[07:05] <el1te> no one knows how to restart the sound system with live-cds
[07:06] <flaccid> yurimxpxman: im busy atm, but i am going to work this one out today
[07:06] <yurimxpxman> flaccid: thanks
[07:37] <dsmith_> for 7.10, what is the most recent kernel?? 2.6.22 -14?
[07:38] <Israphel> or -16 ?
[07:39] <Israphel> hardy starts with -16
[07:49] <remfarkas> hi all
[07:49] <remfarkas> when i run apt-get update, does it download the headers to /var/lib/apt/lists/?
[07:50] <remfarkas> i am trying to use my kubuntu offline and synaptic has an option to generate download script for the chosen packages
[07:50] <hilfi> no to /var/cache/apt/archives/ remfarkas thats where all the .deb files end up ...
[07:51] <remfarkas> i mean not the deb files
[07:51] <navetz_> is there a good gui video converter I can download somewhere?
[07:51] <hilfi> apt-cache search converter navetz_
[07:51] <remfarkas> but the information about what packages can be found and where at the links in the file sources.list
[07:52] <hilfi> hmm good question remfarkas
[07:53] <remfarkas> man apt-get tells that storage area for state information for each package resource specified in sources.list can be found in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[07:53] <hilfi> doesn't synaptic tell you where to it saves the file ... sorry i do not use synaptic on my box so i can;t help or check remfarkas
[07:55] <remfarkas> its not about synaptic, all the package managers download these headers
[07:55] <hilfi> remfarkas: are we talking about 2 boxes with the same software installed ...
[07:56] <remfarkas> no, i would just need a sources.list and the headers for it
[07:56] <remfarkas> so i can make my package manager think, i have succesfully run apt-get update
[07:58] <hilfi> to do what remfarkas
[07:59] <hilfi> sorry still early here ...
[08:00] <remfarkas> that way synaptic can generate a script, which with i can download the packages i need
[08:00] <remfarkas> ok, here also :) 9:00 am
[08:02] <remfarkas> thats the only way i found to use kubuntu offline, synaptic is needed only because only it can generate a script from the choosen packages (as far as i know)
[08:05] <hilfi> hmm sorry can't help ... i have two identical boxes so i cp -r /var/cache/apt/archives/ form the internet box to the one at home ... all it takes then is to apt-get update 10sec and thats it ...
[08:06] <remfarkas> would you look for me what files are in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ?
[08:06] <navetz_> what is a good video codec mpeg1 2 or 4, do they make a difference?
[08:07] <remfarkas> to make a video?
[08:08] <remfarkas> i guess the compression rate and the quality
[08:08] <dorian_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTRsLW0eet0
[08:09] <hilfi> remfarkas: looks good i did my last dist-upgrade this morning and all the fileles in /var/lib/apt/lists/ are touched last at that time ... so i guess you are right ...
[08:10] <hilfi> navetz_: i find Xvid mpg4 is small and the quality is good
[08:10] <navetz_> hilfi: thanks
[08:10] <remfarkas> are there many files?
[08:13] <hilfi> remfarkas: that depends on how many extra entries you have ...
[08:14] <remfarkas> i would need them from someone, thats why i ask
[08:14] <hilfi> i am not using debian/sid at the moment ... so my entries are different
[08:16] <remfarkas> i will ask on the hungarian channel, thx anyway
[08:16] <hilfi> linux without internet is a strange concept anyway ....
[08:16] <hilfi> np remfarkas hope you find a solution
[08:17] <remfarkas> i know, but i dont have money for that yet.. its not cheap in Hungary atm
[08:17] <hilfi> ok i understand ... you save a lot of money using linux and not xp :)
[08:18] <remfarkas> ^^
[08:18] <hilfi> money/trouble :)
[08:19] <remfarkas> i am spending my money (how bad) spending too much time on the uni (i should have finished 2 years ago, but i was too lazy)
[08:20] <davor> could someone tell me why i cant find libapache-mod-gzip in on current kubuntu, please?
[08:22] <hilfi> davor: it's also not in debian
[08:22] <hilfi> apt-cache search libapache-mod should list all available for you
[08:24] <davor> hilfi: ah nevermind, i'll install it by hand, thanks
[08:29] <karl> i'm editing my grub menu...what device would correspond to /dev/sdb2 (example (hd0,1))?
[08:30] <navetz_> is there a way to tell if my cd rom writing laser is broken?
[08:30] <remfarkas> probably (hd1,1)
[08:31] <remfarkas> but i dont know if grub can handle it that way
[08:32] <remfarkas> is there any kubuntu user with a good sources.list?
[08:33] <hilfi> !ctell karl grub
[08:34] <hilfi> !grub | karl
[08:43] <yurimxpxman> what's an easy way to rename mp3 files according to their tags?
[08:44] <Gere> Hey, how can I count the bandwidth from a certain IP adress ?
[08:45] <Gere> ip tables has something like that, but I don't know whether you can choose which adresses to monitor
[08:45] <KRF> Gere, vnstat is quite handy
[08:45] <KRF> no gui, though
[08:45] <Gere> Oh that's fine by me
[08:45] <remfarkas> is there any kubuntu user with a good sources.list containing wine and other useful repos?
[08:46] <Gere> Thanks
[08:49] <Gere> remfarkas: It's probably just as easier to just add the repos when you need them
[08:49] <Gere> Er.. Just as easy
[08:49] <karl> !grub
[08:50] <remfarkas> Gere: my pc is offline, i want to use synaptic's script to download it from another pc
[08:50] <remfarkas> i would need a sources.list andt the packages list which will be downloaded after u run apt-get update
[08:51] <remfarkas> the last one is(are) in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[09:09] <crimsaq> Stoner
[09:56] <vecciora> There is so much the package that can't be installed in Kubuntu 7.04.
[09:57] <jords> Hmm.. I've got a issue with Konversation 1.01 and auto joining channels that need you to be identified - konversation identifies after its tried to join the channels, so it can't join ones that need identification...
[09:57] <vecciora> I'm use Ubuntu 7.10's repository.
[09:57] <remfarkas> why are u using 7.04?
[09:57] <vecciora> remfarkas: For nothing.
[09:57] <remfarkas> :)
[09:58] <remfarkas> anyways, if u are usng 7.10 repository for 7.04, u shouldnot wonder about it
[09:58] <vecciora> Damn! I've wasted my time by installing Kubuntu 7.04.
[09:58] <remfarkas> u can run dist-upgrade
[09:59] <remfarkas> if u have 7.10 repository
[09:59] <remfarkas> i succesfully upgraded back then from dapper to edgy
[09:59] <jussi01> jords: set your password as the server password
[10:01] <jords> jussi01: huh? This is NickServ i'm talking about - and it is identifying, just too late
[10:01] <jords> needs to delay joining chanells until it's indentified
[10:01] <jussi01> jords: yes, I know. for freenode, set your nickserv password as the server password
[10:02] <jords> jussi01: oh ok.
[10:02] <jords> I'll try it :D
[10:02] <jussi01> :)
[10:04] <jords> ooh.. shiny :D
[10:04] <ubuntu> it's good
[10:04] <jussi01> jords: :D
[10:10] <karl> does the current 8.04 kernel have support for large ram (4gb) or will i need to recompile it?
[10:27] <dorian_> i want to listen to mp3 in kubuntu what do i have to install?
[10:28] <remfarkas> when u are starting amarok
[10:28] <remfarkas> and trying to start playback an mp3
[10:28] <dorian_> i dont have amarok, i have juk
[10:28] <remfarkas> it will try to download the needed packages
[10:28] <jussi01> dorian_: or install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:30] <dorian_> thanks
[10:30] <dorian_> both:)
[10:30] <remfarkas> nm, if it works :)
[10:32] <judoka> hi, i was wondering if anybody could help me in some security related questions
[10:33] <klien02> yahoo
[10:33] <untumu> hallo guy....alll
[10:33] <judoka> my questions are: in what way is "insecure" Firefox 3, and what kind of data is transmitted in single-pixel gifs?
[10:33] <untumu> how can we get ubuntu full CD ?
[10:34] <jussi01> judoka try in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[10:34] <jussi01> !shipit | untumu
[10:34] <judoka> thx a lot jussi01
[10:34] <jussi01> :)
[10:35] <untumu> jussi....i mean download from internet
[10:37] <dorian_> problem solved
[10:37] <untumu> i mean . can we download from internet then burn to CD..
[10:38] <untumu> to reproduce full ubuntu cd ?
[10:38] <dorian_> you cant sell it
[10:38] <judoka> untumu, at the ubuntu site there are several ways to download ISO images of *buntu
[10:40] <untumu> does that ISO full verison?
[10:40] <jussi01> untumu: yes
[10:40] <judoka> why do you mean by full version?
[10:40] <judoka> *what
[10:40] <untumu> i mean we no need internet konection if we use apt-get?
[10:40] <judoka> no, sorry
[10:41] <judoka> at least i've always needed an internet connection
[10:41] <untumu> hmmm...
[10:42] <judoka> but if you need an extra package you can download it from packages.ubuntu.com from other computer and then install it on your machine
[10:42] <judoka> i think there's no problem in doing that, though not sure
[10:42] <dorian_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ&feature=rec-fresh
[10:44] <dorian_> pls give me a tutorial on compiz-fusion
[10:49] <karl> !compiz
[10:49] <dorian_> thanks
[10:49] <judoka> i was wondering also, if when updating my Kubuntu machine through apt-get is any way "others" form the Internet can steal my password?
[10:50] <karl> judoka: no
[10:50] <karl> unless they have a keylogger installed
[10:50] <karl> but then they could steal it anytime
[10:50] <judoka> is there a way to get a keylogger installed remotely?
[10:51] <judoka> sorry, as you can see i'm a security freak :)
[10:51] <karl> yes, a keylogger could be installed remotely
[10:52] <karl> the attacker would need to execute a vulnerability or compromise a lower level user and escalate privileges to super user
[10:52] <karl> and then install the key logger
[10:52] <karl> at that point you're pretty much owned anyway
[10:52] <karl> i wouldn't worry about it
[10:52] <karl> the chances of that happening are quite slim
[10:53] <dorian_> what is xgl?
[10:53] <FoxIII> Hi all. How do I run kate as a super user? I thought it would be: sudo kate <filename> but it doesn't seem to find kate even though it's installed.
[10:54] <judoka> oh no, FoxIII, for graphic stuff use kdesu instead of sudo
[10:54] <dorian_> "no whitelist of drivers has been found"
[10:54] <FoxIII> Thank you judoka
[10:54] <judoka> hope that helps FoxIII
[10:55] <karl> "graphic stuff"?
[10:55] <judoka> no-console programs
[10:55] <judoka> sorry, my english is very limited
[10:55] <karl> kate is a graphic application
[10:55] <karl> his command should have worked.
[10:56] <karl> but yours probably does too
[10:57] <judoka> i read in the ubuntu forums it was better to use kdesu for graphic applications and sudo for console ones, but i might be wrong
[10:57] <jussi01> thats correct
[10:57] <jussi01> !kdesudo
[10:58] <FoxIII> I'm still being told that the kate command is not found. I know it's there as I can open it from the menu and it is set up using the command kate
[10:58] <judoka> is kdesu different from kdesudo?
[10:59] <judoka> type in a console "find . -name kate"
[10:59] <judoka> no quotes
[10:59] <karl> kate is in /usr/bin/
[10:59] <FoxIII> It's coming up with ./.kde4/share/apps/kate judoka
[11:00] <karl> those are your settings
[11:00] <judoka> oh, you're using KDE4
[11:00] <judoka> i'm still on KDE3
[11:01] <FoxIII> judoka: yeah. Is kde4 *that* different?
[11:01] <judoka> i have no idea
[11:01] <karl> it's quite different
[11:01] <karl> very different, even
[11:01] <karl> they ditched kicker entirely
[11:01] <judoka> but binaries must be in /usr/bin anyway, right karl?
[11:01] <karl> yeah, what is your point?
[11:02] <karl> you mean to say why wouldn't it open anyways
[11:02] <karl> i see
[11:02] <FoxIII> Just checked /usr/bin/ and kate is not in there. So I guess I will either have to set up a link or copy kate to the /usr/bin dir?
[11:02] <karl> fox, you installed the remix?
[11:02] <judoka> oh, no point, only telling FoxIII to look there
[11:02] <karl> kde4 remix?
[11:03] <FoxIII> karl: yes. Straight from the kubuntu-remix iso
[11:03] <karl> i don't think kate is installed on your computer
[11:03] <karl> sudo apt-get install kate
[11:03] <judoka> sorry if i offend anyone because of my limited English, not my intention at all
[11:03] <karl> no one has been offended; your english is quite good
[11:04] <FoxIII> judoka: You are very good with your english :)
[11:04] <judoka> thx, sorry, i thought i had offened someone
[11:04] <FoxIII> hmm. It's installed kate, even though I had it in the menu's. Strange.... oh well :)
[11:07] <llutz> Moin
[11:08] <judoka> is there a use to have ClamAV installed at all in my Kubuntu machine, i don't share any files with Windows or OS X users, is it still good to have it?
[11:09] <karl> judoka: if you aren't running a mail server, not a whole lot
[11:09] <FoxIII> I think it's great that even in this day and age, an av program is still not really needed for "normal" linux use :)
[11:10] <judoka> oh i see karl, no, no server at all, i'm a regular desktop user
[11:11] <judoka> i mean, you read all the stories about identity theft and you can't help but panic, guess that's my case right now
[11:11] <dorian_> please give me the tutorial of compiz-fusion again i have some problems with installation
[11:12] <karl> !compiz @ dorian_
[11:12] <karl> !compiz | dorian_
[11:12] <dorian_> :)
[11:13] <judoka> i tried Beryl on Fesity but my graphic card didn't like it
[11:14] <FoxIII> Those compiz instructions say that you do not need to install the repositories on Gutsy. Does the same apply for Hardy? Or is that only gnome desktop?
[11:15] <judoka> gnome is "compiz ready" as far as i've seen
[11:15] <FoxIII> Yes. I was very happy with compiz on gnome. With it being mentioned, it reminded me to give it a go with kde :D
[11:16] <judoka> i found no real use to Beryl when i tried it but have to admit it looks really cool FoxIII
[11:17] <FoxIII> judoka: haha! I know what you mean. It is definitely in the "eyecandy" section.
[11:17] <judoka> yes FoxIII
[11:18] <judoka> i mean, having a Celeron processor and an Intel graphic chip there's some stuff to leave behind
[11:18] <msi> hola
[11:19] <msi> alquien en español porfa
[11:19] <judoka> hola msi
[11:19] <msi> hola buenos dias
[11:20] <judoka> si puedo ayudarte en algo estoy a tus ordenes
[11:20] <msi> si tengo problemas con las videos.
[11:20] <judoka> hope English chatters don't mind us chatting in spanish
[11:20] <madmakz> hi
[11:20] <judoka> cual es tu problema msi?
[11:21] <dorian_> No whitelisted driver found
[11:21] <dorian_> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/kwin
[11:21] <jussi01> !en
[11:21] <madmakz> how to add repos from command line?
[11:21] <FoxIII> judoka: Not at all. As long as you're not insulting us ;) lol
[11:21] <msi> no logro ver este video, un momento
[11:21] <jussi01> madmakz: add them to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:21] <judoka> lol not at all, thx for the pointer jussi01
[11:21] <jussi01> !es | judoka
[11:21] <madmakz> he... from where?
[11:21] <jussi01> :)
[11:21] <madmakz> hardy
[11:22] <jussi01> madmakz: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:22] <jussi01> madmakz: add the at the end of that file
[11:22] <madmakz> it,s empti
[11:22] <madmakz> it only has the cd
[11:22] <judoka> thx jussi01, sorry for breaking the rules
[11:22] <madmakz> I want online repos
[11:23] <dorian_> No whitelisted driver found
[11:23] <dorian_> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/kwin
[11:23] <dorian_> compiz --replace
[11:23] <dorian_> No whitelisted driver found
[11:23] <dorian_> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/kwin
[11:24] <dorian_> woot?
[11:24] <madmakz> this is the situation, it failed installing the WHOLE de and I am on a base install
[11:24] <dorian_> what is a whitelisted driver?
[11:24] <jussi01> madmakz:
[11:24] <madmakz> so I wanna find out how to get the hardon repos
[11:24] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23276/
[11:24] <karl> : ) @ hardon repos
[11:24] <jussi01> add that to the file
[11:25] <madmakz> does the base have a cli browser?
[11:26] <madmakz> mm.. wget
[11:26] <jussi01> dorian_: you probably get a better idea from #compiz-fusion
[11:27] <madmakz> I wish I could cat the link
[11:27] <madmakz> or even use less
[11:28] <jussi01> madmakz: 1 sec
[11:29] <FoxIII> brb
[11:30] <judoka> thanks a lot for your help guys, it was great coming here
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> holla
[11:34] <jussi01> madmakz: wget -c http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/sources
[11:35] <madmakz> jussi01: doent have wget
[11:35] <jussi01> madmakz: huh? really?
[11:35]  * jussi01 was pretty sure that was on the cd
[11:35] <stdin> wget should be pre-installed always
[11:36] <jussi01> yes
[11:36] <stdin> installed via the ubuntu-standard meta-package
[11:36] <jussi01> madmakz: try sudo apt-get install wget
[11:36] <jussi01> its definately on the cd
[11:37] <madmakz> the cd is not inside
[11:38] <madmakz> i got it though
[11:38] <jussi01> :)
[11:38] <madmakz> by the way
[11:39] <madmakz> what,s a oneliner kde install??
[11:39] <The_ManU_212> hi
[11:39] <The_ManU_212> i cant open any links in thunderbird
[11:40] <jussi01> madmakz: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:40] <madmakz> hello?
[11:40] <madmakz> ok, thx
[11:40] <The_ManU_212> i heard this is because of in kde no standard browser is definded, but i have: firefox
[11:41] <madmakz> lol@but i have:firefox
[11:42] <madmakz> The_ManU_212 try: konkerer
[11:42] <The_ManU_212> madbut i prefer firefox
[11:43] <The_ManU_212> madmakz: i prefer ff
[11:43] <madmakz> then: ok
[11:44] <The_ManU_212> madmakz: but it doesnt work
[11:44] <The_ManU_212> when i klick once at a link nothing happens
[11:44] <The_ManU_212> i use hardy hero
[11:44] <The_ManU_212> n
[11:44] <madmakz> The_ManU_212: try mutt
[11:45] <The_ManU_212> madmakz: mutt???
[11:45] <tim_> hello ! anoybody here?
[11:45] <madmakz> that'll solve ur issue
[11:45] <madmakz> google: mutt linux
[11:54] <bluekb> I am looking for a compiz/beryl kubuntu tutorial.  I tried the default settings manager but haven't seen any changes (perhaps I am already too customized?)
[11:55] <bluekb> running 8.04
[11:59] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using a latitude d630 but i'm having problems getting bluetooth to work in hardy
[12:00] <fulat2k> from /var/log/messages, i can see that L2CAP and RFCOMM layers are initialized.
[12:00] <lucas_> hello do you know which key is the meta key ?
[12:01] <lucas_> I am using kde4 on kubuntu and want to try some effects which require the "meta" key
[12:10] <madmakz> hi, I want to try the compiz effects in console
[12:11] <FoxIII> madmakz: Do you mean run compiz from console? If so, type: compiz -- replace
[12:14] <madmakz> no, be in pure console without x
[12:16] <FoxIII> Not sure what you mean madmakz. You can't use compiz without a GUI
[12:23] <cybercrew> Zdravo nekoj da ima od Makedonia
[12:23] <cybercrew> ??
[12:28] <dorian_> what the name of that channel ? compiz...
[12:29] <dorian_> compiz...
[12:29] <dorian_> compizfusion
[12:29] <dorian_> ?
[12:30] <dorian_> i found it
[12:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> can one run kubuntu with xfce instead of kde and keep all the K  apps?
[12:33] <llutz> CostaRicanQuaker: yes
[12:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> llutz: all the commands being the same?
[12:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> will it make smoother/faster to load?
[12:35] <llutz> why should it?
[12:36] <tolyan> Превед кубунтоводам ;)
[12:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> why should it what? be faster? because that's apprently the whole point of xfce by whati'm reading, that it's "lighter"
[12:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> or why should the commands be the same? so i can come to this very chat withits big community and find relevant help with a different desktop environment
[12:38] <llutz> CostaRicanQuaker: xfce might be faster in some situations, but kde won't be faster if you use 2 toolkits instead of one
[12:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> can one run kubuntu getting rid completely of kde?
[12:40] <Dr_willis>  do you want an alternative desktop?
[12:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> and instead having...wait, is what i'm talking baout here what is known as xubuntu?
[12:40] <Dr_willis> YOu can remove kde if you want.
[12:41] <Dr_willis> Install the other desktop first, then remove the various kde packages
[12:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> and if it is, is xubuntu better/faster/simpler/dumber?
[12:41] <Dr_willis> You can easially have xubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop on the same machine
[12:42] <Dr_willis> install xubuntu-desktop and just selexct what one to use at the KDM login screen.
[12:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes but i mean, i want ot have a single desktop environment that loads easily and performs smoothly and that i will be able to get counsel from the kubuntu chatrooms
[12:42] <gkrnours> have you ever seen for wmii ?
[12:42] <Dr_willis> kubuntu dosent counsel  the xfce desktop. :)   just kde
[12:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> and it seems as though xubuntu is that or that's what it advertises, it being easier to load or something, however i remember kubuntu being prety...pretty
[12:42] <Dr_willis> thers proberly a #xubuntu channel
[12:43] <Pici> There is
[12:43] <Dr_willis> Install tehm both and try them both out CostaRicanQuaker
[12:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> have you used them?
[12:43] <Dr_willis> I dont care for the XFCE desktop much. yes i have used most all the desktops/window managers out
[12:43] <Dr_willis> there literally dozens + of them.
[12:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> which do you consider to be betterin terms of less memory being used by the desktop env?
[12:44] <Dr_willis> if memory is a concern use just a simple window manager. not a full desktop.
[12:44] <gkrnours> If you are looking for something really simple, wmii is for you
[12:44] <Dr_willis> i tend to use jwm + rox for my Uber-low-end systems desktop
[12:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> no, i mean i...i want ubuntu
[12:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> but not gnome
[12:44] <Dr_willis> ubuntu - gnome + xfce = xubuntu
[12:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> i have been reading about kubuntu and i want to learn about it
[12:45] <gkrnours> ^^
[12:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> and then change my whole community of friends
[12:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> to it
[12:45] <Dr_willis> if you remove kde.. then you are not using Kubuntu
[12:45] <FoxIII> http://www.xfce.org for more info
[12:45] <gkrnours> sure
[12:45] <Dr_willis> kubuntu = ubuntu - gnome + kde
[12:45] <llutz> save memory with a wm/de to waste it with openoffice/firefox? lol
[12:46] <FoxIII> Or have a look at http://xwinman.org for lots of wm's
[12:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> simple question, in terms of which has a bigger longer lasting community, which will be easier for the dumb newbie windows user to use, kubuntu or xfce?
[12:47] <Dr_willis> Bottom line. try them both. :)  You may hate some of the features of xfce.  and love some features. You can mixx and match stuff  to some degree
[12:47] <Dr_willis> Its easy to install several desktops and switch between them.
[12:47] <ActionParsni1> alloha
[12:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> can you do  the blendy-transparent windows thing on kde?
[12:47] <Dr_willis> !compiz | CostaRicanQuaker
[12:48] <gkrnours> I've a problem with my bluetooth headset, someone could help me ?
[12:50] <ActionParsni1> gkrnours: is it audio only (no mic)
[12:50] <ActionParsni1> ??
[12:50] <FoxIII> Is there a kempelton type theme for linux?
[12:50] <gkrnours> ActionParsni1: it's connect, but I've no sound.
[12:51] <Dr_willis> FoxIII,  for kde - youmight watn to check the kde-look.org site
[12:51] <FoxIII> Of course. lol. Thanks Dr_willis
[12:51] <ActionParsni1> gkrnours: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=52296 I think you gotta tell your apps to use the bluetooth as the audio output
[12:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i wonder if my new laptop even has a bluetooth  thang. :)
[12:52] <Dr_willis> Not that i have anything to connect to it.. if it did.
[12:52] <ActionParsni1> gkrnours: have you installed bluetooth-alsa
[12:52] <gkrnours> ActionParsni1: The command «aplay -B 1000000 -D plughw:Headset /usr/share/sounds/login.wav» tell that Slave PCM is not usable
[12:53] <gkrnours> ActionParsni1: I'm going read the thread
[12:53] <ActionParsni1> gkrnours: seems pretty comprehensive
[12:55] <gkrnours> ActionParsni1: yeah, it's update
[12:55] <Wulfboi> Has anyone installed AVG anti-virus and found its created a new user account?
[12:55] <ActionParsni1> Wulfboi: i use clamav dude
[12:55] <Dr_willis> Wulfboi,  Hmm.. i dident notice that..
[12:55] <Dr_willis> lets look
[12:55] <ActionParsni1> clamav plugs nicely with webmin :)
[12:55] <Wulfboi> i decided to try AVG and after reboot had a user acount called AVG
[12:57] <Wulfboi> i've uninstalled it and deleted the account but i just wondred if it had happened to any others....
[12:58] <Dr_willis> Wulfboi,  it made a new group. called avg, but i dont see a new user
[12:58] <Wulfboi> hmm...... it might be because i ran it with sudo to get the updates but i dunno, think i'll go back to clamav....
[12:59] <Dr_willis> it did ad a user to the passwd file also.
[12:59] <Dr_willis> so no /home/avg - but it did seem add a new user to run itself as
[12:59] <Wulfboi> yeah
[12:59] <Dr_willis>   /etc/passwd:avg:x:1002:1002::/home/avg:/sbin/nologin
[13:00] <Dr_willis> Ive seen other sevices set up similary.
[13:00] <Wulfboi> nothing to worry about then?
[13:01] <birol> hello
[13:01] <birol> i wanna ask a question
[13:01] <ActionParsni1> hi birol
[13:01] <Dr_willis> Wulfboi,  proberly not.
[13:01] <birol> hi thanks
[13:01] <ActionParsni1> !ask | birol
[13:01] <Dr_willis> Wulfboi,  use that userdel command, or other tools to remove the avg user if you want
[13:01] <birol> hmm my wireless is broadcom
[13:01] <ActionParsni1> birol: unlucky
[13:02] <birol> :-)
[13:02] <ActionParsni1> !ndiswrapper | birol
[13:02] <birol> i know
[13:02] <Dr_willis> I got my broadcom 4310 working. :)
[13:02] <Wulfboi> i used the user management tool in system settings to remove it, thanks all for the advice, my minds at ease now ^_^
[13:02] <Dr_willis> had to use ndiswrapper for it.
[13:02] <birol> yes the computer see it
[13:02] <Dr_willis> so a lot depends on your exact broadcom chipset.
[13:02] <birol> and also says in use
[13:02] <ActionParsni1> my wtg311T works out of the box :)
[13:02] <birol> but not enable
[13:03] <ActionParsni1> birol: is the wifi light turned on? is the switch for wireless set to wifi-on
[13:03] <ActionParsni1> birol: desktop or laptop?
[13:03] <Dr_willis> birol,  check what your exact chipset is also.  some are not very well supported.
[13:03] <birol> laptop
[13:03] <ActionParsni1> birol: what make / model?
[13:04] <birol> acer 5105 wmli
[13:04] <birol> wlmi
[13:04] <birol> sorrry
[13:04] <ActionParsni1> birol: have you installed acer-hk
[13:04] <birol> what is it?
[13:04] <Dr_willis> !info acer-hk
[13:04] <ActionParsni1> acer have a garbage proprietary power managemnt thing
[13:05] <ActionParsni1> its not in repos, you need to compile but its painless
[13:05] <birol> well i didn't
[13:05] <ActionParsni1> basically anythng useful goes through it
[13:05] <gkrnours> ActionParsni1: I've read the first page, and no help. maybe the next...
[13:05] <birol> it see broadcom
[13:05] <birol> also i think
[13:05] <ActionParsni1> birol: you need acerhk
[13:05] <birol> load the driver
[13:05] <birol> but
[13:06] <birol> ok
[13:06] <Dr_willis> birol,  just because it sees it - dosent mean its working right.  I had to tweak my broadcom also.
[13:06] <ActionParsni1> birol: itll bridge between the system and your wifi adapter
[13:06] <ActionParsni1> birol: its one reason i refuse to buy acer, that and broadcom
[13:06] <birol> ok thanks i try again
[13:06] <birol> i must restart again
[13:06] <birol> ok
[13:07] <ActionParsni1> birol: google for it, you'll find it, you'll compile another module which you modprobe in and set it to load at boot
[13:07] <birol> thanks for all man
[13:07] <birol> ok
[13:07] <ActionParsni1> then the card will be usable
[13:07] <birol> again i will come
[13:07] <birol> ok
[13:07] <birol> after restart
[13:07] <birol> :d
[13:07]  * ActionParsni1 spits at acer
[13:09] <ActionParsni1> Dr_willis: http://www.cakey.de/acerhk/
[13:10] <Dr_willis> Ya need hotkeys driver to enable wireless.. :) Heh
[13:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> if i install gnome xfce and kde on ubuntu
[13:10] <ActionParsni1> well acer think its a good idea
[13:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> will my computer work as fast
[13:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> as though i had only one of them
[13:11] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: sure, you'll just have lots of libs on your hard drive
[13:11] <Dr_willis> CostaRicanQuaker,  you are only running one at a time anyway.. so you wont notice any problems
[13:11] <Dr_willis> You can run kde apps under gnome, or xfce also..
[13:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> will the libs take a lot of space?
[13:11] <Dr_willis> You will notice LOTS of programs in your menus. :)
[13:11] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: libs for each DE
[13:11] <Dr_willis> define 'lot' of space :) is 1 gb a lot? is 5?
[13:11] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: not much but some
[13:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok then i should go for kubuntu+xubuntu
[13:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> **** gnome
[13:12] <Dr_willis> I installed bout everything i can get my hands on, and am at about 5gb of space total.
[13:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> it looks weird
[13:12] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: i dont like its apps an only like a single set of libs
[13:12] <ActionParsni1> hence pure kde
[13:12] <andries> hi...
[13:12] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: dont go by look, look at what it can do and how its done
[13:13] <andries> i've got a problem with a usb mouse
[13:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> i had a problem with gparted, i couldn't resize my ntsf partition into a bigger one and leave 15gb for when i get kubuntu
[13:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> it said there was some error and it didn't specify
[13:14] <Dr_willis> I found thta if using vista. the vista ntfs resizer feature works MUCH faster then gparted does.
[13:14] <Dr_willis> CostaRicanQuaker,  have windows defrag/scandisk/defrag the thing.. and try gparted again if you want.
[13:14] <andries> here's dmesg output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23287/
[13:14] <ActionParsni1> id just buy a new drive, cheap hardware
[13:15] <andries> have you got any idea what's happened?
[13:15] <Dr_willis> seen 1 TB disks getting.. reasonable.. :)
[13:16] <ActionParsni1> exactly
[13:16] <maltedik> hi
[13:16] <andries> ...
[13:16] <ActionParsni1> andresj: you got full updates?
[13:16] <andries> yes
[13:16] <maltedik> why doesn't adept-updater want to have any password from me, but is able to update anyway?
[13:16] <andries> ops
[13:16] <maltedik> arent root-privileges required to do stuff like that?
[13:17] <jussi01> maltedik: have you used the password recently?
[13:17] <maltedik> during login
[13:17] <jussi01> the login stays around for like 5 mins after using it
[13:17] <maltedik> k
[13:17] <maltedik> thx
[13:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> what's USN-612-1?
[13:17] <maltedik> nevertheless quite creepy ;]
[13:19] <ActionParsni1> andresj: does it work in another system ok?
[13:19] <LiNuxBaBe> My wireless doesn't work on an acer aspire 3104wlmi:: I have kubuntu 8.04 and when I was working with the 7.10 it worked fine.. I had the madwifi driver installed with the patch.. After the upgrade I got the error:: unable to attach hardware (hal status 13).. I tried to install several drivers (ndiswrapper,,acerhk,,madwifi) but it won't work.. Anyone another suggestion..?
[13:20] <LiNuxBaBe> sorry for the faults,, my english isn't so good
[13:21] <jals> hey, i have tray icons (like klipper and adept notifier) showing up in my taskbar, anyway to fix this?
[13:21] <FoxIII> jals: How do you mean 'fix' ?
[13:22] <bluekb> Does anyone here have experience trying compiz on kubuntu with Nvidia 8 series cards?
[13:22] <jals> like, stop it happening
[13:22] <jals> i don't think it's supposed to
[13:22] <massi> Can anyone give the setkeycodes mapping for mute, volumeraise, volumedecrease on Lenovo t61?
[13:22] <FoxIII> bluekb: I have just set up compiz on kubuntu with Nvidia 8series.
[13:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> !compix
[13:23] <Dr_willis> jals,  if you dont want klipper to run. close it .
[13:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> !compiz
[13:23] <bluekb> FoxIII, I am having trouble getting it to work.  It tells me it can't find /usr/local/bin/compiz, then falls back to metacity
[13:23] <jals> Dr_willis, no, i mean the icon that should be in the tray, is showing up as a window on the taskbar
[13:23] <jals> it only happens on startup sometimes
[13:24] <massi> For compiz I suggest you the following
[13:24] <bluekb> (running kubuntu 8.04)
[13:24] <jals> the same thing is happening with the adept notifier, just a window on the taskbar that's the size of an icon
[13:24] <massi> First of all make sure the nvidia drivers are installed
[13:24] <bluekb> massi, they are.
[13:24] <Dr_willis> jals,  ive seen compiz goof that up at times.  some times the 'system tray' applet crashes
[13:24] <massi> then install all the compiz related package from the repo
[13:24] <jals> ah it's a compiz issue?
[13:24] <bluekb> massi, I've done that too.
[13:25] <FoxIII> bluekb: Are you registered on freenode? I can pm you if you like.
[13:25] <jals> compiz doesn't seem entirely stable on kde
[13:25] <bluekb> FoxIII, that'd be fine
[13:25] <maltedik> jussi01, btw: can i disable this pw-saving-feature somewhere?
[13:25] <massi> and then use compiz fusion icon to govern the compiz fusion load
[13:25] <Dr_willis> jals,  remove the 'ok kde' part.. :) and i totally agree also...
[13:25] <bluekb> jals, well..kde has issues in general, imho--but it is worth it.
[13:26] <Dr_willis> compiz has issues in general also.
[13:26] <jals> i do prefer a lot of stuff over gnome, but ugh, compiz is important to me cos i love scale so much
[13:26] <jals> i might try a fresh install, i think i've done stuff to this distro that's messed it up
[13:27] <maltedik> jals: kde4 has a zoom- and magnifying-glass-functino build-in
[13:27] <jals> maltedik, not scale though?
[13:27] <maltedik> what is scale if not zoom?
[13:28] <jals> it's like OSX expose
[13:28] <maltedik> thats included, too
[13:28] <maltedik> over desktops and windows
[13:29] <maltedik> if youre not scarred by bleeding edges, try the kde 4.1 beta
[13:29] <jals> i think i have that installed actually
[13:30] <jals> maybe i'll go into it again, brb
[13:31] <spartansglory> Ola?
[13:31] <jals> ah indeed i do
[13:32] <jals> so how do i use this built in stuff then
[13:35] <mitsarionas> hi
[13:36] <mitsarionas> does anyone know about burning files >4gb with k3b?
[13:38] <georg> Hi :-) I'm quite new to kubuntu, normally, I use Gentoo. Where are options for daemons stored? In Gentoo, it's in /etc/conf.d/* ... I want to edit the options for openntpd
[13:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> technically speaking openoffice.org for linux should work for any distro right?
[13:40] <FoxIII> CostaRicanQuaker: yes
[13:40] <FoxIII> mitsarionas: Try http://www.nabble.com/Burn-files-over-4gb--td14310162.html where there is a thread about >4Gb file burning in k3b
[13:40] <l3u> Hi :-) I install kubuntu for a friend, normally, I use Gentoo ... so I'm quite new to kubuntu ;-) I want to change the daemon options for openntpd -- where are they stored? Under Gentoo, it would be in /etc/conf.d/*
[13:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> which has the biggest amount repositories and best package manager of the buntus?
[13:41] <mitsarionas> l3u: thanx man :D
[13:41] <dunas> CostaRicanQuaker: As far as I can tell, Kubuntu's package manager is basically the same as Ubuntu's- and as for the repos, I thought those were shared?
[13:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> how about xubuntus?
[13:42] <l3u> mitsarionas: sorry for the dumb question ... but I can't find it ...
[13:42] <dunas> CostaRicanQuaker: I haven't tried Xubuntu, nor heard much about it.
[13:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> well
[13:43] <FoxIII> l3u: The location should me /etc/init.d/
[13:43] <dunas> CostaRicanQuaker: What I can say for sure is what I've heard a few times, that the *buntus are basically just different graphical themes applied to Ubuntu.
[13:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> it's 6;45 a.m. which means it's time to go to bed
[13:44] <l3u> FoxIII: are options really stored inside the init scripts in ubuntu?!
[13:45] <FoxIII> l3u: /etc/init.d/README
[13:46] <FoxIII> l3u: Links to /etc/rc?.d/
[13:47] <alexei_> hello every body! How do I get back to bitmapped fonts in Konsole. These anti-aliased fonts are simply too slow! Fresh Kubuntu seems not to offer any bitmaps...
[13:48] <BluesKaj> good day
[13:48] <jussi01> CostaRicanQuaker: Kubuntu, ubuntu and edubuntu all share the same repositories
[13:49] <jussi01> !kubuntu | CostaRicanQuaker
[13:49] <FoxIII> alexei: Are you using KDE3?
[13:50] <FoxIII> If so, you can install bitmap fonts via Settings - Font menu. Then you can go to Settings > Font > Select in konsole.
[13:50] <FoxIII> brb. Food.
[13:54] <alexei_> FoxIII: yes. "aptitude search fonts" returns a lot of staff. Matbe there is some know-how around?
[13:57] <alexei_> hi, which package to install to get good bitmapped *console* fonts for X-based terminals? Tha AA-fonts in console sting my eyes...
[14:07] <FoxIII> alexei: There is some useful info on fonts here > http://www.ubuntutips.net/taxonomy/term/4
[14:20] <alexei_> FoxIII: thanks, replacing /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmap-fonts.conf with the opposid makes some bitmaps avail for choice...
[14:21] <mado> hi guys ... can you help me please? ... i downloaded a setup-file i want to install under windows ...
[14:21] <mado> i tried to copy and move it to the ntfs-partition
[14:21] <mado> but when i do that the authorization changes form my user to root
[14:23] <mado> i tried to use "sudo chown <user> <file>" and "sudo chmod 777 <file>" ... it didn't work
[14:23] <BluesKaj> mado, have you tried it in windows , cuz that seems normal to me
[14:23] <dunas> Is it strange to be learning more about the command line in Kubuntu than in Ubuntu?
[14:23] <mado> i haven't tried it yet BluesKaj ... i thought i have to change the authorization before
[14:25] <mado> so hmm ... BluesKaj ... you suggest i should first look what windows says about the file?
[14:25] <mado> without changing a thing?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> mado, Ive received that message or something similar about permissions
[14:26] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:27] <BluesKaj> mado, the file transfers ok right ?
[14:27] <mado> no ... not quite ... i got one error message
[14:28] <mado> Berechtigungen lassen sich nicht ändern für /media/halde/sicherheitssoftware_690.exe
[14:28] <mado> which means
[14:28] <mado> the authorization can't be changed for /media/halde/sicherheitssoftware_690.exe
[14:29] <BluesKaj> yes, i think that's a standard response
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, ?
[14:30] <mado> so ok ... should i now reboot and start windows?
[14:30] <mado> and try to open the file without changing anything under linux?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> can you see the file in your windows partition/folder ?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> if not then there's no point in booting into windows
[14:32] <mado> when i go to "/media/halde/"
[14:32] <mado> i can see it
[14:32] <BluesKaj> ok, give it a try
[14:32] <mado> mario@xoqmd:/media/halde$ ls -l ... -rwxrwx--- 1 root plugdev 86886403 2008-06-27 15:27 sicherheitssoftware_690.exe
[14:32] <mado> ok then ...
[14:33] <mado> i hope it works ... see you after the reboot
[14:33] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:40]  * BluesKaj hands genii a coffee
[14:42] <venik> Is tehre in Kubuntu a personal information manager that is still being developed/debugged/maintained?
[14:42] <genii> BluesKaj: Thanks, I needed that!
[14:42]  * genii sips
[14:43] <zipper> Anyone managed to re-map the "+" and "-" keys on a Logitech MX518 mouse? I've tried using evdev, but i seems like no matter what i do i cannot get xev to register those two keys - and then i cant bind them to pageUp/down like i want. I read a guide using evrouter, but i haven't managed to get it working (if anyone got experience with evrouter, please speak up, maybe you could help me understand the guide). Any ideas on what i could do?
[14:48] <FoxIII> In KDE4.0 how can I stop the 'bouncing' loading icon? I just want the two spinning circles only.
[14:51] <BluesKaj> genii, when one tranfers a file to ntfs from ext3 , there's dialog that pops up " Could not change permissions for /media/hda1/Documents and Settings/
[14:53] <BluesKaj> genii, what's that about ?...it's confusing some ppl into thinking they can't transfer files
[14:53] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: you called?
[14:54] <FoxIII> BluesKaj: Normally, you need root access to see an ntfs partition, so I'm guessing that when you transfer a program across, it's going to have those attributes.
[14:54] <BluesKaj> not necessarily /Documents and Settings/ but wherever folder /dir the file is located
[14:54] <BluesKaj> yes Tm_T , it was about this issue
[14:55] <genii> BluesKaj: It wants to create files under the name of the linux user writing there. But ntfs doesn't support same kinds of permissions as ext. There is some switch to put infstab for this but I forget exactly. Maybe uid=0 or so
[14:55] <genii> hi Tm_T
[14:56] <BluesKaj> I haven't paid much attn to the 'permissions notification' , I just go ahead and everything seems fine
[14:57] <BluesKaj> mado was here a while ago and was quite concerned that he wouldn't be able to use the file in windows after transfer due to "permissions" probs.
[15:10] <shadowbox> hello all
[15:12] <shadowbox> everywhere I go to read an article on the web there are 'add links' on every other word. Can I disable these things?
[15:13] <shadowbox> they are so anoying
[15:13] <g00LiPoP> shadowbox: Which webbrowser R u usin?
[15:13] <shadowbox> FF
[15:13] <g00LiPoP> Firefox. wait, I'll check it up
[15:13] <shadowbox> great thanks
[15:14] <g00LiPoP> oh, which version R u usin? Cuz it's different using firefox 3 and 2, so whats ur version+
[15:15] <shadowbox> checking
[15:15] <shadowbox> 2
[15:15] <g00LiPoP> ok
[15:16] <shadowbox> I like 3 better just because of the way you can close the tabs
[15:16] <shadowbox> no more accidently closing them when your trying to switch to them
[15:20] <g00LiPoP> sry, my internet connection got all fucked up, so I didnt check
[15:20] <g00LiPoP> wait a minute
[15:20] <shadowbox> np
[15:20] <g00LiPoP> I think it's a addon called linkalert
[15:20] <shadowbox> ahh
[15:20] <g00LiPoP> u can disable it in addons
[15:21] <g00LiPoP> but i'm not sure
[15:21] <shadowbox> I only have one addon and it 'add block plus'
[15:21] <g00LiPoP> i just googled and I found it somewhere when someone else had the same problem but solved it by removing the addon
[15:22] <g00LiPoP> Ah, too bad, then I don't know what u should do. Sry
[15:22] <shadowbox> could it be add block plus being sneaky?
[15:24] <g00LiPoP> Damn internet connection
[15:25] <g00LiPoP> well you can try to disable the addon if u want to
[15:25] <g00LiPoP> I don't know
[15:42] <ahmed_> how to get administration in system setting in kde4
[15:43] <nitin> how to start kde update manager
[15:45] <BluesKaj> kde4 , nitin ?
[15:45] <shadowbox> you  get much KDE 4 help here
[15:45] <shadowbox> you will need to go to the kde 4 channel
[15:46] <nitin> no, kde 3
[15:46] <genii> ahmed_: #kubuntun-kde4  for kde4 questions please
[15:46] <shadowbox> oh ok
[15:46] <genii> bah typo
[15:46] <genii> ahmed_: #kubuntu-kde4
[15:47] <shadowbox> I like kde 4 it has aloot of eye candy
[15:48] <shadowbox> its perdy
[15:48] <ahmed_> genii: ok sorry
[15:55] <BluesKaj> I guess we'd better get used to the eye candy fisher price look , cuz we have much choice in the next distro
[15:55] <BluesKaj> don't
[15:55] <pim> You can switch do debian
[15:56] <pim> It's ubuntu, only without the ubuntu stuff added in.
[15:57] <nitin_> pim: how to start kde update manager
[15:57] <BluesKaj> pim, debian's behind the curve somewhat
[15:58] <pim> What do you mean, that it's not really up to date?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> yeah
[15:58] <pim> Does that really matter?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> nitin_,https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-January/003248.html
[16:01] <BluesKaj> pim, some of the hardware drivers aren't up to date
[16:01] <pim> Is this because people switched from debian to ubuntu?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> pim, I tried the latest debian some months ago and was really pretty disappointed , had no DRI or 3D with my graphics and the ethernet had to be configged etc
[16:08] <pim> So what should you run on an old laptop for instance?
[16:11] <pim> BSD?
[16:11] <SniZzo> puppy linux?
[16:12] <SniZzo> damn small linux?
[16:12] <pim> not dsl
[16:13] <pim> That's just small, not necessarily for old computers
[16:13] <digistyl3> hi, is there a firewall for linux which can use application based rules?
[16:13] <digistyl3> for example blocking one application
[16:13] <zipper> Anyone know a good GUI alternative to 'mc' ?
[16:14] <zipper> !mc
[16:15] <digistyl3> zipper: gnome commander?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> !Firewall | digistyl3
[16:15] <engineer> digistyl3 firestart
[16:15] <engineer> firestarter
[16:16] <digistyl3> engineer: can i use it to block access for one single application?
[16:16] <digistyl3> i thought the rules were made based upon url or port number
[16:20] <zipper> digistyl3, thanks
[16:21] <digistyl3> zipper: yw
[16:47] <annma> is there a KDE4 specific channel please?
[16:48] <annma> is FolderView shipped in KUbuntu KDE4 beta2?
[16:50] <annma> hey people
[16:50] <annma> tehre's no support here?
[16:50] <SniZzo> in my opinion kde4 is not still usable...
[16:51] <annma> taht's not the question
[16:51] <annma> my question is: is FolderView shipped in KUbuntu KDE4 beta2?
[16:51] <annma> is it on the desktop?
[16:52] <pim> annma there is a kde channel
[16:52] <aldo_> oi
[16:52] <aldo_> hello
[16:52] <annma> pim: I am a kde developer
[16:52] <annma> I need a KUbuntu answer for a bug report
[16:53] <annma> my question is: is FolderView shipped in KUbuntu KDE4 beta2?
[16:53] <pim> Ah well I'm sorry but I can't help you. I'm just a regular user.
[16:53] <annma> is it a difficult question?
[16:53] <aldo_> i't sever the net
[16:53] <aldo_> ???
[16:54] <pim> I think you might have to ask that on a kubuntu forum annma
[16:54] <annma> no time
[16:54] <annma> I'm closing the bug report with asking the guy to report to KUbuntu
[16:55] <annma> pim: do you know a link to KBuntu kde4 packages maybe?
[16:56] <pim> Sorry annma I use kde3
[17:19] <vikrant__> ssup guyz?
[17:22] <muesli> how can i type umlauts in ubuntu on an english keyboard?
[17:22] <jenny> hola
[17:28] <bevi> m i a szosz van?
[17:28] <jcfp> muesli: set some intl keyboard layout variant (like us-intl), then use " + letter.
[17:30] <muesli> jcfp: cheers. sadly keyboard layout seems to have vanished from kde4 settings, but that's my fault for running beta software ;-)
[17:30] <jcfp> no kde4 in my house (for the being at least)
[17:31] <jcfp> might have better luck in the kde4 chan
[17:31] <__Vic__> hey guyz how do i get a channel list?
[17:31] <engineer> /list
[17:31] <__Vic__> kool
[17:38] <aldo_> shell
[17:39] <aldo_> Pless
[17:40] <aldo_> i not send the mensseger
[17:40] <ubuntu> hi
[17:42] <aldo_> hi
[17:42] <ubuntu> hi there
[17:42] <ubuntu> where is everybody?
[17:42] <ubuntu> aldo how r u doin
[17:43] <ubuntu> why my web browser isn't working? can anybody help me?
[17:44] <aldo_> yo speak spain
[17:45] <jcfp> !es | aldo_
[17:48] <aldo_> usted fala español
[17:48] <candive> !es aldo
[17:48] <wad> How do I see what version of PHP and MySQL I'm running, via the command line?
[17:49] <rickest> wad: --version for both
[17:49] <wad> ok
[17:49] <wad> thanks
[17:51] <aldo_> usted sabes canales Ubuntu en portugues
[17:51] <aldo_> ??
[17:52] <ubuntu> hey who spaeks english or russian here??
[17:52] <Jucato> !pt | aldo_
[17:52] <FoxIII> !pt | aldo_
[17:52] <Jucato> ubuntu: this is the English channel
[17:52] <__Vic__> i speak english and would love to learn russian
[17:52] <Jucato> !ru | ubuntu
[17:53] <karl> i speak english
[17:53] <ubuntu> please advise me why my web browser and IM client isnt working?
[17:53] <aldo_> candive usted sabe canales Ubuntu en portugues
[17:53] <karl> can you be more specific as to what you mean by not working?
[17:54] <karl> do they not start up at all, or does it seem they are having trouble accessing the internet?
[17:55] <ubuntu> i ve connected to internet but my konqueror says something like:
[17:55] <ubuntu> An error occurred while loading http://www.yahoo.com:
[17:55] <ubuntu> Could not connect to host http://www.yahoo.com/.
[17:55] <LimCore> hello
[17:55] <karl> hold down ALT and press F2
[17:56] <LimCore> kwallet manager stoped working.
[17:56] <karl> in the run window that appears, type in "konsole" and press enter
[17:56] <karl> a terminal window will appear
[17:56] <karl> in the terminal window, type "ping google.com" and press enter
[17:56] <karl> if it is successful, you should get a series of "64 bytes from google.com" messages
[17:56] <aldo_> opera 9,5 is compact the kubuntu
[17:57] <karl> if it is unsuccessful, it will just hang and report a time out
[17:57] <karl> which happens?
[17:57] <tzanger> good afternoon
[17:57] <tzanger> I just did a fresh hardy install, and my user's desktop seems to have all of / on it... is this normal?
[17:57] <aldo_> ??
[17:58] <aldo_> speak portugues
[17:59] <ubuntu> karl  yes i tried ping and it returned successful result
[17:59] <karl> perhaps you are behind a firewall blocking port 80
[18:00] <ubuntu> i dont think so cause  i am running Kubuntu from Live CD
[18:00] <karl> try visiting google.com in konqueror
[18:01] <ubuntu> ( same result
[18:01] <ubuntu> and ICQ account in kopete also isn't working
[18:02] <karl> do you need an http proxy to access the internet where you are?
[18:02] <ubuntu> no i dont need
[18:02] <ubuntu> i've connected by dial up
[18:03] <karl> i am not familiar with dial up networking
[18:03] <karl> sorry
[18:03]  * makdaknife shivers... dial-up is like a ghost from the past
[18:03] <ubuntu> :)) yaeh but unfurtanaelly i have it
[18:05] <ubuntu> it's strange cause i can see Google's icon on the right side of addrees bar
[18:05] <ubuntu> and yahoo's icon, but no web page
[18:06] <makdaknife> um... that doesn't necessarily mean you can connect to those sites... it is just a search bar
[18:06] <ubuntu> no no no
[18:06] <makdaknife> ubuntu: did you say that you can successfully ping www.google.com
[18:06] <ubuntu> not search bar
[18:06] <ubuntu> sorry on the Left side, not right
[18:07] <makdaknife> okay...
[18:07] <makdaknife> did you say that you could ping google
[18:07] <llutz> hi
[18:07] <ubuntu> yes i can
[18:08] <makdaknife> if you go to konsole, try: telnet www.google.com 80
[18:08] <ubuntu> ok lets try
[18:09] <ubuntu> yes i've connected to google on 80 port
[18:09] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ telnet www.google.com 80
[18:09] <ubuntu> Trying 72.14.215.99...
[18:09] <ubuntu> Connected to www.l.google.com.
[18:09] <ubuntu> Escape character is '^]'.
[18:09] <ubuntu> Connection closed by foreign host.
[18:09] <makdaknife> great... try type: HEAD / HTTP/1.1
[18:10] <ubuntu> in telenet session?
[18:10] <makdaknife> yes... open the session... then when you get to Escape character... type HEAD / HTTP/1.1
[18:10] <makdaknife> then hit enter... then type: Host: www.google.com
[18:11] <makdaknife> hit enter twice...
[18:11] <makdaknife> Google should return a bunch of Header info
[18:12] <makdaknife> if that works... then your browsers should be working....
[18:14] <ubuntu> Yes i get   Host: www.google.com
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[18:14] <ubuntu> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8">
400 Bad Request</title>
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[18:14] <ubuntu> ...
[18:14] <makdaknife> heh... weird you must have typed something wrong... but no matter... it looks like your computer is able to talk to google okay
[18:15] <makdaknife> maybe your dial up connection is just really slow and the pages are timing out to render in your browsers
[18:15] <ubuntu> search from search bar isn't working too
[18:16] <ubuntu> hm i have no problems in windows
[18:16] <jcfp> ubuntu: try 'wget www.google.com' on the command line
[18:17] <makdaknife> ubuntu: are you using firefox or konqueror?
[18:17] <ubuntu> konqueror
[18:17] <ubuntu> jcfp
[18:17] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ wget www.google.com
[18:18] <ubuntu> --22:17:12--  http://www.google.com/
[18:18] <ubuntu>            => `index.html'
[18:18] <ubuntu> Resolving www.google.com... 72.14.215.99, 72.14.215.104
[18:18] <ubuntu> Connecting to www.google.com|72.14.215.99|:80... connected.
[18:18] <ubuntu> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
[18:18] <ubuntu> Location: http://www.google.co.uz/ [following]
[18:18] <ubuntu> --22:17:16--  http://www.google.co.uz/
[18:18] <ubuntu>            => `index.html'
[18:18] <genii> !pastebin
[18:18] <ubuntu> Resolving www.google.co.uz... 72.14.215.99, 72.14.215.104
[18:18] <ubuntu> Reusing existing connection to www.google.com:80.
[18:18] <ubuntu> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[18:18] <ubuntu> Length: unspecified [text/html]
[18:18] <ubuntu>     [    <=>                              ] 4 948         3.91K/s
[18:18] <ubuntu> 22:17:18 (3.90 KB/s) - `index.html' saved [4948]
[18:18] <ubuntu> http://www.google.co.uz/ cause iam in Uzbekistan now
[18:18] <makdaknife> it very much looks like you're able to connect and download pages
[18:19] <genii> ubuntu: USE PASTEBIN PLEASE!
[18:19] <makdaknife> so the problem looks to be more likely something with konqueror....
[18:19] <ubuntu> sorry guya i didn't now about patebin command
[18:19] <makdaknife> maybe try with firefox
[18:19] <ubuntu> guys
[18:20] <ubuntu> is it possible that there is problem with LiveCD session?
[18:20] <makdaknife> maybe... but I don't see why there should be... it is very clear that you are able to connect to and communicate with outside web sites
[18:20] <ubuntu> i dont have firefox distr
[18:21] <nuno_> Hmm.. Whats going on with my firefox it's always starting in offline mode
[18:22] <nuno_> Does anyone know whats happening?
[18:22] <makdaknife> ubuntu: I must admit that I am stumped... your computer seems to have no problem connecting to websites and downloading pages... so konqueror should work fine
[18:22] <ubuntu> if it is a problem with browser why Kopete isn't working? any suggestions?
[18:23] <makdaknife> but konversation obviously is?
[18:23] <ubuntu> yes Konversation is ok
[18:23] <genii> nuno_: Because firefox loads before network connection is ready and so it times out
[18:24] <makdaknife> that is really strange... I really have no idea
[18:24] <SniZzo> have a web browser?
[18:25] <SniZzo> instead of kopete you can use meebo for IM
[18:25] <ubuntu> ok. Will try to install it on  hdd and then try to use browser. Thank you guys
[18:25] <makdaknife> sorry... I couldn't be of more help
[18:25] <makdaknife> good luck
[18:26] <RobotGuy> Weird.. I can't add new users because the passwd file is locked. Why?
[18:26] <ubuntu> thanks
[18:27] <RobotGuy> How do I get the passwd file unlocked?  What caused this?
[18:27] <genii> nuno_: You should also make sure that under File menu of firefox that "Work Offline" is NOT selected
[18:30] <genii> nuno_: Please stop private messaging me. I do not give assistance in private message, only in publi channel. I also do not accept private messages in general.
[18:33] <gkr> Hi, I've no working no dock with kopete, amarok, konversation... I've start kicker, and here too, there nothing...
[18:33] <besitzer__> besitzer
[18:35] <genii> nuno_: After you make some change to firefox, you need to close firefox and then re-open it. If you only de-select the Work Offline and then just reboot firefox will not have saved that change because it was not closed and reopened.
[18:35] <RobotGuy> How can I force the password file to be unlocked?
[18:36] <RobotGuy> It should not be locked.
[18:36] <gkr> Maybe an app is using it, like if you try to run apt-get with adept open
[18:37] <gkr> in this case, command «fuser» could help you
[18:38] <RobotGuy> I have no idea what is keeping the passwd file locked.
[18:39] <gkr> where is your passwd file ?
[18:39] <RobotGuy> Here: /etc/passwd
[18:39] <gkr> try "sudo fuser /etc/passwd"
[18:40] <gkr> it will give the pid of app using your file
[18:40] <gkr> then, you could use e.g. "kill 4312"
[18:40] <RobotGuy> gkr: It doesn't show any app using /etc/passwd
[18:41] <genii> RobotGuy: lsof | grep passwd
[18:41] <gkr> so no app use passwd...
[18:41] <genii> With sudo even
[18:49] <RobotGuy> genii: That helped. Thanks!
[19:02] <madmakz> how to install flash?
[19:02] <madmakz> anyone?
[19:02] <gkr> what could I do to see the kbluetooth's icon
[19:02] <gkr> for flash, use adept, it's something like nonfree-flash
[19:03] <gkr> "sudo apt-get install flashplugin"
[19:04] <gkr> or "sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla"
[19:05] <gkr> anyone for my icon problem ? I cannot use kopete and ktorrent too....
[19:07] <lesergi> hi all people
[19:09] <gkr> hi
[19:10] <fallen|ct> hi guys
[19:10] <gkr> hi
[19:11] <fallen|ct> can anyone please help me? when I press alt+tab, the task switcher doesn't appear any more... i can switch tasks, but have no idea, which task i've currently selected. how can i activate that again?
[19:11] <fredthemonkey> hello guys :)
[19:12] <gkr> What a weird problem
[19:12] <fredthemonkey> i just activated compiz effects in hardy
[19:12] <fredthemonkey> and now the workspaces seem not to work as they used to
[19:12] <fredthemonkey> for example i have only 2 workspaces and the program bar displays all windows (it should only show the ones of the current workspace9
[19:12] <fredthemonkey> *)
[19:13] <fredthemonkey> anyone knows how to fix this? :)
[19:13] <fallen|ct> as far as i know, you can't
[19:13] <fallen|ct> same problem here, virtual desktops don't really work in compiz/kde
[19:13] <gkr> I'm use to think that it's the normal behavior...
[19:14] <fredthemonkey> has compiz own desktops that i can manage?
[19:14] <fallen|ct> use gnome. compiz works great there ;)
[19:14] <gkr> *.*
[19:17] <fallen|ct> argh, this task switcher bug is quite annoying... it's like gambling, "oh, which window will it be now?"...
[19:17] <pim> How can I install compiz-fusion?
[19:18] <stdin> !compiz
[19:18] <pim> I installed it
[19:19] <pim> Do I need to add the effects seperately?
[19:19] <stdin> no
[19:19] <jals> pim, need to turn it on
[19:19] <pim> How do I do that?
[19:19] <jals> alt + f2, then do compiz --replace
[19:19] <stdin> just start it Alt-F2 "compiz --replace"
[19:19] <pim> ah and how do I go back?
[19:19] <stdin> kwin --replace
[19:20] <pim> allright
[19:21] <pim> I don't notice any change dough
[19:21] <jals> try one of the shortcuts
[19:21] <stdin> did you choose an effects level?
[19:21] <pim> I chose extra effects
[19:22] <fredthemonkey>  sorry i was away
[19:23] <pim> It doesn't seem to be activated
[19:23] <fredthemonkey> hm well i saw that gnome and compiz work perfectly together, but i prefer kde so i guess i better turn it off :D
[19:26] <keepout> hello
[19:26] <fredthemonkey> hi
[19:38] <rickest> fredthemonkey: compiz works wonderfully with KDE/emerald
[19:41] <gkr> I've no working systray, someone know how to make it working properly ?
[19:42] <fredthemonkey> what is kde/emerald?
[19:43] <rickest> fredthemonkey: KDE is the default DE (desktop environment) for Kubuntu.  By default, KDE uses KWIN as a window manager, but emerald is a replacement window manager that works well with compiz-fusion
[19:44] <fredthemonkey> ah okay
[19:44] <fredthemonkey> how can i activate that?
[19:45] <rickest> fredthemonkey: google "kubuntu compiz" and maybe "howto"
[19:45] <fredthemonkey> okay thanks :)
[19:46] <rickest> fredthemonkey: the hardest part of getting compiz to work (in any environment) is having good video hardware and (unfortunately) their proprietary drivers. Once you get that licked, the rest is relatively easy
[19:48] <yura> sory, where can take good html editor for kubuntu ?
[19:48] <gkr> kate ?
[19:48] <fredthemonkey> as i have a nvidia card this should be no problem :)
[19:48] <byteme_> hey there I have a hard question
[19:48] <genii> !kompozer
[19:49] <genii> Hmm. They need to update that one
[19:49] <byteme_> I'm a pc tech and I'm attempting to back up a Windows hard drive that has had a data crash
[19:49] <byteme_> 99% of my recovery is thanks to linuxlinux
[19:50] <gkr> ^^
[19:50] <autoscum> hey, guys
[19:50] <byteme_> BUT this time, I'm being told that windows has locked the drive
[19:50] <autoscum> !keyboardlayout
[19:50] <autoscum> !xkb
[19:50] <autoscum> darn...
[19:50] <genii> byteme_: What fs is on it, ntfs or vfat ? Other?
[19:51] <autoscum> So, does anyone know how I can change my keyboard layout with Alt+Shift?
[19:52] <genii> byteme_: You can usually force the mount if it's been marked unclean
[19:52] <fredthemonkey> cu guys
[19:54] <autoscum> guess not.. :(
[20:03] <gkr> anyone could help me with a systray problem ?
[20:06] <fredthemonkey> i'm back and now emerald is installed
[20:06] <byteme_> can I forcew the mount without loosing the data?
[20:06] <pim> yeah
[20:07] <fredthemonkey> but i couldnt find a tutorial for hardy so i ask here: how to activate it?
[20:07] <fredthemonkey> i found some emerald theme manager but it seems not to be active
[20:07] <pim> byteme_ it is not a good idea, but usually you can
[20:08] <byteme_> ok, Iwilltell the customer its a 50/50 chance
[20:10] <autoscum> gkr, what's the systray problem?
[20:11] <gkr> I've nothing, no icon, no systray ^^
[20:11] <autoscum> gkr: this is serious business :D
[20:11] <fredthemonkey> do you have kde 3.5 or 4?
[20:11] <fredthemonkey> :D
[20:11] <autoscum> yeah.. that's important, too
[20:11] <autoscum> KDE 4 failed to launch the manual network configuration
[20:11] <autoscum> :/
[20:11] <gkr> I've plasma and kicker both open. no one work
[20:13] <fredthemonkey> so you installed both kde3 and 4? maybe logout and start a new session?
[20:13] <autoscum> yeah.. whatever fred said...
[20:14] <gkr> It is not working since I've log in, but I can try it
[20:18] <fredthemonkey> wb gkr
[20:18] <claudio> salve atutti
[20:18] <claudio> sono un neofita...
[20:18] <autoscum> So, does anyone know how I can change my keyboard layout with Alt+Shift?
[20:18] <claudio> anche se sono un po grandicello...cerco un po di aiuto
[20:19] <autoscum> I googled, but couldn't find anything in particular...
[20:19] <nalioth> !it
[20:19] <claudio> grazie
[20:20] <fredthemonkey> gkrnours, does it work now? :)
[20:20] <gkrnours> no more...
[20:21] <fredthemonkey> no more?
[20:22] <gkrnours> no icon, and plasmoid "systray" is just a ball, with nothing in
[20:23] <fredthemonkey> strange stuff
[20:23] <fredthemonkey> well i dont have kde4 so idk whats wrong :S
[20:24] <byteme_> how do I force a mount from a live cd? I tried the command that was given on the live cd but tells me I am underprivleged (thanks alot for the reminder)
[20:27] <alupres> hola
[20:27] <alupres> necesitaria una ayuda si es posible
[20:27] <alupres> ya que es la primera que instalo kubuntu, y ando medio despistado
[20:28] <Tm_T> !es | alupres
[20:28] <alupres> ok thanks a lot
[20:28] <alupres> and sorry
[20:29] <byteme_> whaaahooo, never mind I got it
[20:32] <Fyl0n> if I want to activate my root account it says User Account has expired..
[20:32] <Fyl0n> How can I reset this?
[20:34] <ShadowKnight> hello all.
[20:37] <simi> hi, anyone knows ow i can change the color depth in kubuntu hardy?
[20:37] <ShadowKnight> hmm. Dead room today, eh?
[20:37] <ShadowKnight> Ah there we go.
[20:37] <ShadowKnight> Color depth?
[20:38] <ShadowKnight> simi: to change color setting go to Kmenu/system_settings/Monitor_and_Display/ and go to the Color and Gamma tab
[20:40] <sergey> hi gays! Can anybody help me?
[20:40] <ShadowKnight> sergey: what is your problem?
[20:41] <sergey> I have installed xubuntu, and KDE4 installed after that. So for now i am shorthanded to change login screnn(
[20:41] <simi> ShadowKnight:  but i want to change the color depth from 32 to 24 or 16 bits? gamma is not color depth no?
[20:41] <sergey> how do i?
[20:42] <sergey> "GDM in not running"
[20:42] <ShadowKnight> sergey:  I'm sorry I don't know about xubuntu.
[20:42] <sergey> it says
[20:42] <sergey> i installed GNOME after that, may be it can help?
[20:43] <sergey> i cannon switch login screen in XFCE, KDE4, GNOME
[20:44] <sergey> "i cannot" sorry
[20:44] <ShadowKnight> simi: sorry, I don't know.
[20:44] <sergey> thank you any way!
[20:45] <ShadowKnight> sergey: ti govorish po ruskii?
[20:45] <sergey> ShadowKnight: da
[20:47] <genii> sergey: sudo apt-get install gdm
[20:48] <delilaz> how do you install java on kubuntu?
[20:55] <ShadowKnight> install the package, delilaz.
[20:55] <sergey_> I am happy :) installing the gdm is helps me!
[20:55] <simi> Help, i mangaed to distroy m my video setting and now i have a 640x480 resolution and reconfigure xserver is not working in hardy, how can i reset the settings?
[20:55] <sergey_> Thanks a lot!
[20:55] <katswaio> delilaz: probably 'sudo aptitude install openjdk-6-jre' will do
[20:56] <katswaio> !java | delilaz
[20:56] <simi> i just changed the driver from ati radeon to ati radeon mobility, the card not the driver, the driver is ati
[20:56] <gkrnours> I'got it ! My systray is coming back !
[20:56] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: you may already have it insalled, though. Did you try compiling something?
[20:57] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: javac insertprogramtocompile
[20:57] <gkrnours> I've not all icon yet, but I've kopete and kmix ^o^
[20:58] <ShadowKnight> simi: try reinstalling your old driver with synaptic
[20:59] <delilaz> it is not installed
[21:00] <highness> Hello people. I've got a question involving remapping keys and I hoped to get some help with it here...
[21:00] <katswaio> simi: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[21:00] <ShadowKnight> highness: describe the problem.
[21:00] <delilaz> didn't try to compile I tried to download pictures from a website that needs java
[21:00] <katswaio> !X
[21:00] <highness> The issue is like  this: My laptop's keyboard is broken. So I have connected a USB keyboard to the laptop.
[21:01] <highness> The problem is that I want to use some of the FN-keys
[21:01] <simi> katswaio:  this is not working in hardy
[21:01] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: that's a different java:
[21:01] <highness> How can I remap the FN-button to the USB keyboard and get the same funtions?
[21:01] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: you want the java plugin for linux.
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[21:01] <gkrnours> there is a package for these
[21:01] <ShadowKnight> Heyz ActionParsnip
[21:01] <gkrnours> Fn key
[21:01] <delilaz> shadowknight: yes how do I do it?
[21:02] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: first check if java is simply disabled. In Firefox 3:
[21:02] <highness> gkrnours: Yeah, the Fn-button that activates other parts of the keyboard.
[21:02] <highness> For example. If I press fn+left arrow it dims the brightness on my screen
[21:02] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: edit/preferences/content.
[21:02] <highness> If I press fn+right arrow it increases the brightness
[21:02] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: check if both checkboxes for java are checked.
[21:03] <gkrnours> highness: I think the fn key work, but that the computers don't reconize the shortcut.
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> highness: most times brightness is managed automatically
[21:03] <delilaz> shadowknight: my version of firefox is 1.5.0.12
[21:03] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: can you update?
[21:03] <highness> gkrnours: No, thats not the problem. I really do mean that the keyboard is broken. ;)
[21:03] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: though it should be the same in 1.5
[21:03] <highness> It's physically broken
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> highness: get a new one
[21:03] <highness> Yeah, the laptop is going in for service
[21:03] <highness> But for now I need to use it
[21:04] <LiNuxBaBe> My wireless doesn't work on an acer aspire 3104wlmi:: when I was working with kubuntu 7.10 it worked fine.. After the upgrade I got the error:: unable to attach hardware (hal status 13).. I tried to install several drivers (ndiswrapper,,acerhk,,madwifi) but it won't work.. Anyone another suggestion..?
[21:04] <highness> And I need to be able to use the Fn key
[21:04] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: or nearly the same. Just find where preferences is. It's probably under edit or tools.
[21:04] <delilaz> check boxes are checked for enabling java
[21:04] <aldo_> hi
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> highness: if its broken then you can use other mapped keys but im not sure about the brightness
[21:05] <highness> ActionParsnip: Yeah. I know it's possible to remap the keys. I'm just not sure how to accomplish it.
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: let me websearch
[21:05] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: that means you already have java. Are you certain that you don't need something else, like Flash Player?
[21:05] <delilaz> shadowknight: is there a way to get the plugin or update plugin through a terminal?
[21:05] <aldo_> kubuntu is the very dificult
[21:05] <katswaio> simi: try running Xorg --configure in a virtual terminal as root. it should generate an Xorg.conf file
[21:06] <highness> The key remapping should be possible through xmodmap
[21:06] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: not that I know of, but here are plugin downloads : https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:7
[21:06] <highness> Just don't know what key that corresponds to what function
[21:06] <delilaz> It states, java runtime environment
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: in lspci is the chip and atheros?
[21:07] <simi> katswaio: what version are you using?
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> aldo_: i disagree
[21:07] <katswaio> simi: hardy
[21:07] <LiNuxBaBe> ActionParsnip:: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[21:07] <katswaio> simi: I got xorg-server-7.3
[21:08] <highness> Oh well.. I will have to continue to search around for an answer. Cheers for the help.
[21:08] <delilaz> k thanx, shadowknight I'll try that
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: 32bit or 64bit?
[21:08] <ShadowKnight> delilaz: you're welcom.
[21:08] <ShadowKnight> e.
[21:09] <katswaio> simi: after you generate the new Xorg.conf, run Xorg --config <generated_file> and see if it has the right resolution
[21:09] <aldo_> uahsuhas
[21:09] <gkrnours> Have you resolve the fn key's problem ?
[21:09] <LiNuxBaBe> ActionParsnip:: 32bit
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: good
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766169
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: tried madwifi?
[21:11] <LiNuxBaBe> ActionParsnip: I tried madwifi,, and it worked fine on 7.10 (with the patch)
[21:11] <katswaio> simi: heh, the Xorg parameters start with single dash, so it's Xorg -configure and Xorg -config
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: usually atheros is ok
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: you need acerhk though. acer suck for linux due to their proprietary crap they put in their systems
[21:17] <simi> katswaio:  how can i get in the virtual terminal? quit X?
[21:17] <Pepcok^PotLS> hello
[21:18] <gkrnours> alt+ctrl+1 or f1 I think
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> simi: virtual terminal?
[21:18] <ShadowKnight> F1
[21:18] <katswaio> alt+ctrl+F1, and then alt+ctrl+f7 to get back
[21:18] <ShadowKnight> alt-control-f1
[21:19] <Pepcok^PotLS> could you help me with program?
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> !ask Pepcok^PotLS
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> !ask | Pepcok^PotLS
[21:20] <Pepcok^PotLS> ok sorry
[21:20] <Pepcok^PotLS> I've installed XMMS2 (I think so), but I can't open this program
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> try running it from konsole
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> use tab autocomplete
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> and put a & after it ;)
[21:21] <compilerwriter> Anyone here have any experience with kat
[21:21] <Pepcok^PotLS> how? becauseI I'm newbie, I've installed Ubuntu week ago
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> Pepcok^PotLS: open konsole
[21:22] <Pepcok^PotLS> yes
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> then type xm then press tab
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> it'll autocomplete
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> you can use it for programs and when you are tpying folder paths
[21:22] <rickest> fyi, xmms is deprecated. might want to google for alternatives
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> rickest: it can still be installed from source
[21:23] <Pepcok^PotLS> so what is the best program to listen to the music for Ubuntu (similiar to Winamp)
[21:23] <SniZzo> maybe amarok?
[21:23] <rickest> ActionParsnip: yes it can and it will still be deprecated
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> Pepcok^PotLS: if you dont mind bloat, amarok is nice
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> !xmms
[21:24] <rickest> amarok or audacious
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> !amarok
[21:24] <ShadowKnight> !chicken
[21:24] <Pepcok^PotLS> how to uninstall my xmms?
[21:24] <ShadowKnight> Doh.
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> I use amarok on my headless but the web interface is awesome
[21:24] <rickest> Pepcok^PotLS: I didn't mean that like you shouldn't use xmms, only that you should know it doesn't have a future
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> Pepcok^PotLS: sudo apt-get --purge remove xmms
[21:25] <LiNuxBaBe> ActionParsnip: I already tried the ndiswrapper and it won't work
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: you got acerhk modprobed in?
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: thats important
[21:25] <Pepcok^PotLS> thank you very much, I have other question
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> sup?
[21:27] <Pepcok^PotLS> my ubuntu is installed on notebook and I don't have any sound from my loudspeaker
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> Pepcok^PotLS: run lspci and notice the line regarding audio, paste it in here
[21:27] <Pepcok^PotLS> if i use headphoneses it's ok
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> lspci lists everything in your system
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> hmm
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> strange
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> give us the line anyhoo
[21:29] <Pepcok^PotLS> error - I cant use this command
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> el ess pee see eye
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> lspci
[21:29] <LiNuxBaBe> ActionParsnip: it says invalid driver
[21:29] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express Processor to DRAM Controller (rev 04)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: then you got the wrong driver. go to support.acer.com and get the windows xp 32 bit driver and use ndiswrapper
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> Pepcok^PotLS: woah!
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 04)
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> STOP!
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 04)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 04)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 04)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 04)
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> !paste | Pepcok^PotLS
[21:30] <sergey> I am pretty new gor linux, and i am not understand, does it ok to work KDM and GDM side by side in single linux?
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 04)
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> sergey: indeed
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev d4)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 04)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 04)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 04)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 01:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 01:0a.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> 01:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[21:30] <Pepcok^PotLS> what? I'm sorry I;m  new
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> dude i just asked for the single line
[21:31] <Pepcok^PotLS> which one, because there are many
[21:31] <sergey> ActionParsnip: sorry i don't catch. It is ok or not?
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> sergey: yes you can install any windows manager you want but only one will run at a time
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> Pepcok^PotLS: ﻿00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[21:32] <Pepcok^PotLS> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> Pepcok^PotLS: exactly
[21:32] <Pepcok^PotLS> :)
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> Pepcok^PotLS: get googling for that dude
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> theres a factoid too
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> !hda
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> can anyone help
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> factoid about hi def audio
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> !ich
[21:33] <sergey> ActionParsnip: Thanks a lot!
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> sergey: you'll have a lot of bloat on your system
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> sergey: some purists (like me) only like one WM to keep bloat minimal
[21:36] <sergey> ActionParsnip: i have not done my select yet :)
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> sergey: cool, enjoy, there are many. I like kde but have a few systems on fluxbox
[21:37] <Pepcok^PotLS> ok thanks for everything BTW. Which do you think is the best browser besides Firefox
[21:37] <Pepcok^PotLS> ?
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> Pepcok^PotLS: define best
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> Pepcok^PotLS: some like konqueror, some like firefox, some like kylie
[21:37] <Pepcok^PotLS> anything similar to Opera?
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> !opera | Pepcok^PotLS
[21:38] <simi> i fixed my xorg, i restarted in recovery mode and there is an option to reconfigure X :-), the ideea to run Xorg -configure in virtual terminal does not work
[21:39] <simi> thx  for your sugestions,
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> simi: you should make a backup before undertaking changes so you can roll back, then you dont have that problem]
[21:39] <harolddong> I wish konqueror and opera were more extensible like firefox
[21:39] <sergey> i like opera for comfortable bookmark panel, for posibility to find all link on page
[21:39] <harolddong> or I wish firefox just had a stable qt build
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> opera has speedial
[21:40] <katswaio> simi: great! didn't know about that reconfigure X option
[21:40] <sergey> its mouse actions is the best then firefox
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> i like chromedit in firefox though
[21:40] <sergey> firefox has add-on for speeddial
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> sergey: really???
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> speeddial is the future
[21:40] <harolddong> fire is bulky and cumbersome but its just way more extensible than the other browsers
[21:40] <harolddong> *firefox
[21:40] <sergey> firefox3 get cool zooming like opera had many years :)
[21:41] <sergey> ActionParsnip: yes
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> i love speed dial
[21:41] <sergey> my fevorint addon is scratchbook
[21:41] <simi> i do not know exactly what to back up, because in xorg.conf it is just the line "configured video device"
[21:42] <simi> and i belive that the settings are in other place hidden
[21:42] <simi> fusion-icon
[21:42] <sergey> scratchbook allow me to drag opened page into special panel, for saving this page in it
[21:42] <jenny> I have a quick question. If I upgrade to the new Gutsy Gibbon will I lose any data?
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> simi: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> simi: you backup the whole thing
[21:43] <ShadowKnight> jenny: If you mean Hardy, no
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> simi: do it with every conf file you edit
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> simi: so you can roll back
[21:43] <ShadowKnight> jenny: but some of your hardware might not work.
[21:43] <ShadowKnight> jenny: you may have problems with video or sound.
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> jenny: upgrading can be an ass, do a clean install of the OS then restore your data from backup
[21:44] <ShadowKnight> jenny: if your current release causes you no problems, keep it.
[21:44] <jenny> When I went to install the new updates it mentioned a new 7.1 or 7.01 whichever it was, was available. i clicked cancel but it tried to upgrade anyways. I canceled out of it against its will.
[21:44] <sergey> i make mistake - SCRAPBOOK
[21:44] <ShadowKnight> jenny: that's no problem
[21:44] <ShadowKnight> jenny: it's optional.
[21:44] <jenny> ah cool ok
[21:45] <jenny> thanks guys
[21:45] <jenny> *tips hat to shadowknight*
[21:45] <ShadowKnight> You're welcome.
[21:45] <simi> i do not edit any conf file, i just selected other card , the problem appeared, selected back the previous card and the problem did not disapeared, and i belive that the only line in xorg that refers to video contains the settings, i belive that the settings are in other file, somwere must be set the driver "ati" the resolution,
[21:46] <simi> in xorg.conf this are not inside the file
[21:46] <LiNuxBaBe> ActionParsnip it keeps saying invalid driver
[21:46] <genii> simi: Does /etc/X11/1xorg     exist?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> LiNuxBaBe: hmm, id get googling for some drivers or the ubuntuforums
[21:47] <Uber1> what is the difference (noticable) between kubuntu and ubuntu
[21:47] <simi> genii:  yes
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: ubuntu uses gnome desktop and kubuntu uses kde
[21:48] <genii> simi: Back it up then peek inside
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: otherwise its the same
[21:48] <simi> genii: : do you want to se it? in hardy is diffrent from gutsy
[21:48] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: they also come with different programs standard.
[21:48] <Uber1> ok
[21:48] <Uber1> which different programs?
[21:48] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: On a personal note, I think KDE looks nicer.
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: ubuntu text editor = gedit, kde = kate
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: theres a lot as gnome apps use gnome libs, kde apps use kde libs
[21:49] <Uber1> with the text editor, is it like notepad? where i can write html or css or javascript or w/e
[21:49] <genii> simi: I'm only here another 8 minutes, so no
[21:49] <ShadowKnight> Uber1:  if you want them, they work in Gnome. The cd burner, for example is K3b, instead of Gnomebaker.
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: you can install gnome libs on a kde system and viceversa
[21:50] <Uber1> ok
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> !kate | Uber1
[21:50] <Uber1> !html
[21:50] <sergey> Gays, i find strange issue. In ubuntu flash video from youtube plays slow. It is not blame on connection speed, because in "another" OS its plays ok. (I guess video setup ok, because the compiz work perfect)
[21:50] <simi> genii: i will search more maybe i will find more abourt changes that happen to xorg and where the settings are stored
[21:50] <Uber1> !code
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> sergey: 64bit or 32bit?
[21:50] <sergey> 32
[21:51] <Uber1> isnt there just one program that does it all?
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> sergey: what browser?
[21:51] <sergey> FF#
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: does all what?
[21:51] <sergey> FF3
[21:51] <Uber1> programming
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> !flash | FF3
[21:51] <Uber1> and web coding
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: you can do web coding in kate / gedit
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: its just text
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: hell, you can even do it in nano if you want
[21:51] <Uber1> and just save it with html extention?
[21:52] <sergey> Yes, i install addobe soft as it recommends in FF3 in first time i open page with flash
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: yeah
[21:52] <Uber1> ok
[21:52] <Uber1> simple enough
[21:52] <Uber1> im going to be getting a new computer, dv6700t Special Edition, its a hp laptop
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: basically there is  more than 1 text editor
[21:52] <Uber1> im not satisfied with vista
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: few are, its garbage
[21:52] <Uber1> but, need to work out a few things before i transition
[21:52] <Uber1> for example
[21:53] <Uber1> can i install photoshop cs2 on it?
[21:53] <Uber1> and Flash 8
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: try wine or crossoveroffice etc
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> or use gimp
[21:53] <Uber1> ok
[21:53] <Uber1> well, i paid for photoshop, might as well use it
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> yeah you'll need to buy crossover office, stuff runs ace in those
[21:53] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: Gimp is as good as photoshop, and openoffice is good too.
[21:53] <Uber1> does wine work well?
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> wine is pretty decent
[21:54] <Uber1> i intend on using openoffice
[21:54] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: Not completely reliably, but it does the job.
[21:54] <Uber1> also, for games
[21:54] <Uber1> can i run those?
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> !crossoveroffice | Uber1
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: indeed
[21:54] <genii> !wine | Uber1
[21:54] <Uber1> !AppDB
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: id definately get crossover office for your windows apps if you are gonna use them that heavily
[21:54] <anderson> algum brasileiro on
[21:55] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: yes, but they might be just slightly slower. You should try it before you decide. And not all games are supported. However, there are many excellent and free games for Linux.
[21:55] <Uber1> how much is crossover office?
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: not sure, its for more than just office
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> 25 gbp
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> pretty cheap
[21:56] <Uber1> ok
[21:56] <Uber1> well, i might just transition to GIMP
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> runs all your games and all your adobe stuff
[21:56] <Uber1> can it do all the same things as photoshop?
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: if you learn it well enough
[21:56] <nicolas> bonjour
[21:56] <Uber1> and with professional quality?
[21:56] <nicolas> ki est francais merci
[21:57] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: yes
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: indeed
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> !fr | nicolas
[21:57] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: some people, like me, like it even better.
[21:57] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: I used it on windows too.
[21:57] <Uber1> is the interface and stuff the same as photoshop?
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: people just get brainwashed into thinking there is only 1 app (like photoshop etc)
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: check screenshots
[21:58] <Uber1> and can i open photoshop projects with it?
[21:58] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: Yes.
[21:58] <Uber1> ok
[21:59] <Uber1> i will try photoshop with WINE first, and see if it is satisfactory, if not then i use GIMP
[21:59] <Uber1> also, i use Flash 8 a lot, im pretty much going to have to use WINE for that right?
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: try gimp now, it runs under windows
[22:01] <Uber1> ok
[22:01] <Uber1> also, i dont have to worry about viruses right?
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> not really, you run everything as user so any linux virii you get ( i think theres 4) wil do very little
[22:02] <szakulec_> Uber1: what version did you make your Photoshop files in?
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> plus most virii are for winslows
[22:02] <Uber1> cs2
[22:03] <Uber1> since you are running as a user in linux, can you install programs and do everything? or are you limited
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: just make sure you keep up to date (done with auto updates)
[22:03] <Uber1> ok
[22:03] <Uber1> should i get an AV program?
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: yes but admin tasks are done using sudo for 1 shot admin power
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: not really needed
[22:04] <Uber1> ok
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: I run clamav but i have a samba share that my GFs system writes to
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> and shes on XP
[22:04] <Uber1> ok
[22:04] <Uber1> will kubuntu really make my computer run much faster than vista?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: indeed, the memory and hard drive footprint is significantly lower
[22:05] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: it won't run faster in windows of course, but linux does load and run much faster.
[22:06] <Uber1> ok
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: vista is a whopping 7Gb install
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: ive got 3Gb on my / and ive full compiz and kde4
[22:07] <Pepcok^PotLS> i've downloaded program, in readme i read what I have to do, but when i wrote make in console it told me that i can't find file (but it's there)
[22:08] <ActionParsnip> including office productivity, dvd burning and playback
[22:08] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: 7 gig? Holy crap! I didn't know that! (I'm still running 2000 in case I ever need windows)
[22:08] <Tecumseh> hi there
[22:08] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: yeah i used to have 5Gb for XP and the rest of my 80Gb for files, ended up having to install on my bigger partition due to it not being big enough
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> !hi | Tecumseh
[22:09] <Uber1> is there any limitations to kubuntu
[22:09] <Tecumseh> a very simple question (I think), how do I install 1 specific package including it's dependency's from the gutsy backports repo?
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: expand please
[22:09] <Uber1> like, i can do anything that i do with a windows computer
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> Tecumseh: sudo apt-get install <program>
[22:09] <Uber1> and more
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: totally
[22:09] <Uber1> ok
[22:10] <Tecumseh> ActionParsnip: I don't want to enable that repo globally, just want that one package
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> Tecumseh: then how will you update it?
[22:10] <Uber1> is there any audio ripping software for linux (like to rip it from videos)
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> Tecumseh: you could install it then remove the repo
[22:10] <Tecumseh> do mind you Uber1 that it will be a total change, you need to start learning to use the system all over again
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: what video type?
[22:11] <Uber1> .flv
[22:11] <Tecumseh> the benefits are huge in my opinion
[22:11] <danny> hi, everybody
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500351
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: you may have to google for stuff to get what you want but you can do anything
[22:11] <Tecumseh> ActionParsnip: that's indeed the simple option I thought off, thought there also was a pinning option. A way that I could mark that one package as desirable from that repo and the rest not
[22:12] <Uber1> now, im pretty good with computers. what is different between windows and kubuntu
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> Tecumseh: well as long as you NEVER install them using apt then it wont install
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: in what way
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> !hi | danny
[22:12] <Uber1> how you use your computer
[22:13] <Uber1> system tasks
[22:13] <Tecumseh> for system tasks things like defrag are not necesary
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: I play music and torrent via a headless pc
[22:14] <Uber1> how about troubleshooting
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: amarok and ktorrent have web based stuff so linux is ideal. I dont game so no need for windows gaming rubbish
[22:14] <Tecumseh> Uber1: I think the wise thing for you to do is try it out. Install in dualboot so you can switch back to windows. You'll see that you'll be doing that less and less
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: triubleshooting is all over the web and you can ask in here
[22:14]  * ActionParsnip agrees with Tecumseh
[22:15] <pater> )
[22:15] <Uber1> well, with windows i can usually figure out the problem and fix it easily enough
[22:15] <Uber1> without help
[22:15] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: That's not always possible with linux.
[22:15] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: Since it
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: thats due to much experience
[22:15] <Tecumseh> that's not entirely true, you have learned that skill in years of using windows
[22:15] <Tecumseh> that's what I ment with starting all over again
[22:15] <Uber1> yeah
[22:15] <Uber1> in gimp, can i put all the windows into one?
[22:16] <Uber1> instead of 3
[22:16] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: Imagine you're 7 and this is the first time you're using a computer. Linux is not windows.
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> i dont use gimp so Im no help here
[22:16] <Tecumseh> it is possible, there's a plugin for that. Just browsed by that today but forgot the link :(
[22:16] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: I'm not sure: but it's probably possible.
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: play nice
[22:17] <Uber1> ok
[22:17] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: I was just emphasising how skills have to be relearned. No offense Uber1 .
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: its not all rosy man, you will have issues, and you will have to exert effort to get stuff working
[22:17] <Uber1> well, i might dual boot
[22:18] <sergey> m.b. VMWare will be best solution?
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: its not a simple case of "double click setup.exe and click next like a moron" mentality
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: you have to think whats happening in the early days so you see whats going on
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: and you'll be here a fair bit
[22:19] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: But don't be scared, everyone is extremely eager to help.
[22:19] <Uber1> ok
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: exaclly and you'll have a nice system that works nice
[22:19] <candive> Uber1, I started with dual boot. then graduated to Linux only. the trick is "Never Give Up"
[22:19] <Uber1> well, i lived through years of cmd computing
[22:19] <Uber1> in my early days
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: not dos?
[22:20] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: then you should have no trouble with linux.
[22:20]  * ActionParsnip rememebrs editting config.sys to free up more hi mem to run prince of persia
[22:20] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: Ideas are the same, commands are sometimes slightly different.
[22:20] <rickest> EMM386.EXE
[22:21] <Uber1> ok
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> rickest: stupid doskey taking up sily amounts of ram :(
[22:21] <Uber1> im learning yep
[22:21] <Uber1> *python
[22:21] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: Actually, you can make the linux shell run on dos commands!
[22:21] <Uber1> cool
[22:22] <andypls> Hello guys. I have a problem over here...
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: seems weird, is it with symlinks
[22:22] <Uber1> does python come pre-installed?
[22:22] <Tecumseh> but don't get too excited, commandline is not needed in 95% of the cases anymore
[22:22] <rickest> ActionParsnip: I ran QEMM386 as much as possible.  Took a long time for EMM/HIMEM to pass it
[22:22] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: yes, in most distros.
[22:22] <Tecumseh> it can speed up a lot if you learn the commandline though
[22:23] <sergey> Good night gays! You have help me a lot! Thank you very mach!
[22:23] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: no, I can't remember exactly... I read it in a tutorial a long time ago.
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> rickest: im talking from the Pentium 75 days, with 16Mb RAM
[22:23] <Uber1> with terminal or w/e can i trace routes
[22:23] <rickest> ActionParsnip: oh, I meant earlier, pre-Win-3.0 even.  I ran a BBS :)
[22:23] <andypls> how can i locate a script that loads a specific library to my kernel on start-up?
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> rickest: BBS?
[22:24] <rickest> ActionParsnip: BulletinBoard System.  It was kind of like the Internet on valium
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> rickest: ahhh, yeah. how old are you man?
[22:24] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: With much more pirated stuff. Woooooooooooooooooooooooottttt.
[22:24] <rickest> ActionParsnip: 43 :)
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> rickest: 27 here man
[22:24] <rickest> cool
[22:24] <ShadowKnight> I'll bet I'm the youngest here.
[22:25] <venik> How do I start ssh?
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> venik: server or client?
[22:25] <venik> server, I guess
[22:25] <candive> Shadowknight, how old
[22:26] <candive> I,m 46
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> venik: if you install openssh-server it runs at startup
[22:26] <venik> ok-- thanks
[22:26] <ShadowKnight> Hehe. Young enough to be illegal in most countries.
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: young enough for what?
[22:26] <Pepcok^PotLS> does anybody know if there's a "auto rejoin when kick" in Konversation?
[22:27] <venik> I think I need that for NX server to run
[22:27] <candive> under 18
[22:27] <ShadowKnight> Right.
[22:27] <rickest> venik: /etc/init.d/sshd start (as root)
[22:27] <candive> coool
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> candive: you can drive at 17 in UK
[22:27] <candive> 16 in Canada
[22:27] <ShadowKnight> Who said I'm in the UK. And who said I'm talking about driving?
[22:27] <candive> hahaha
[22:28] <venik> sshd start :COMMAND NOT FOUND
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> you said young enugh to be illegal, but it depends what you are on about
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> venik: did you install openssh-server
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> ?
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: you can consume alcohol in private from age 5
[22:28] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: You probably have to be in the US to understand what I'm suggesting.
[22:28] <venik> Looking for it
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: ive been once
[22:28] <candive> bars
[22:29] <ShadowKnight> I mean live here.
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: i couldnt
[22:29] <ShadowKnight> Why?
[22:29] <venik> funny that NX do not tell you that you need ssh to run...
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> venik: sudo apt-get install openss then press tab
[22:30] <ShadowKnight> venik: type man ssh.
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: was too in yer face
[22:30] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: Eh?
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: too loud and a bity obnoxious, I went to fort lauderdale, florida
[22:31] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: You call that obnoxious? You haven't been to a REAL city.
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: i live in yorkshire, leeds
[22:31] <candive> Try TEXAS
[22:31] <Pepcok^PotLS> which program for IRC do you think is the best?
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: busy city but people stay the hell back and dont shout in your face when they are supposed to be talking
[22:31] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: A real American city. Think LA, New York.
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> Pepcok^PotLS: I use pidgin but xchat is cool
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: exactly, thats why id hate it
[22:32] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: I find it charming.
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: i look after american servers but i live in uk
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: they fly me over sometimes
[22:32] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: Ah the wonders of telecommuting.
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: and i have to tell peopl eto back off
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: vpn is awesome ;)
[22:34] <ShadowKnight> Well, I've never been to Europe.
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> europe is a big place dude
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> all different
[22:35] <ShadowKnight> The US is bigger. And I
[22:35] <ShadowKnight> 've been from coast to coast.
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> yeah but the cultures of each country is massive, and the languages
[22:35] <Uber1> how big is the kubuntu download?
[22:35] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: About 700 meg
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: 700Mb CD or 4Gb DVD
[22:36] <Uber1> do i have to have internet to install?
[22:36] <ShadowKnight> Uber1:  obviously DVD comes with more software.
[22:36] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: Not after you download it and burn the ISO to disk.
[22:37] <Uber1> can i get the dvd for free?
[22:37] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: but internet is useful, for updates and suchlike.
[22:37] <Uber1> yeah, im going to have internet
[22:37] <Uber1> just wondering
[22:37] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: Free if you download (You must provide the disk: burn it yourself) or you can pay just shipping and they'll send you one.
[22:38] <Uber1> ok
[22:38] <ShadowKnight> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php Uber1 : here.
[22:38] <ShadowKnight> It also has an order disks option.
[22:39] <Uber1> what does it mean when it says supported for 18 months
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> gotta love shippit
[22:39] <szakulec_> Uber1: it means updates are provided for 18 months
[22:39] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: that means there will be system updates till then, and then they'll move on to the next version of kubuntu.
[22:39] <Uber1> ok
[22:40] <Uber1> and i will upgrade pretty much immediately, so no issue there
[22:40] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: and then you can update, or just keep it if it works, no need for extra headaches.
[22:41] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: The obnoxiousness of the US is caused by some form of rural over-friendliness and over-familiarity.
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> it makes me uneasy
[22:42] <Uber1> what software comes pre-installed in kubuntu?
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> personal space is the key
[22:42] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: So I misunderstood you when I said that large cities in the US would be different. In fact, you're right, and people do keep to themselves.
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> i love hugs but people getting in my face so i can feel them tell me they have no size 9 shoes is weird
[22:43] <ShadowKnight> For example, if you say hello to random people on the street in New York, they'll just edge away, while they'll cheerily answer in places like Fort Lauderdale.
[22:44] <Uber1> anybody know?
[22:44] <Colote> Hi ,wich is kubuntu in spanish channel ???
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> yeah some chicjk was on her bike and i was walking from the beach and she said "impresive facial hair"
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> !es | Colote
[22:44] <Colote> thanks
[22:44] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: basically everything in a productivity suite: open office, a web browser, email program etc.
[22:45] <Uber1> what about playing videos and songs
[22:45] <Uber1> and browsing pictures?
[22:45] <ShadowKnight> But then you can find whatever you want in software repositories, which are handily listed in programs like Synaptic Package Manager.
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: http://photos-165.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v152/210/121/740372165/n740372165_354764_7445.jpg
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: its way bigger now
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: pictures is done by basic install
[22:46] <ShadowKnight> Wow. Impressive facial hair :P
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: oh its bigger now
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v248/37/45/722707018/n722707018_1009393_7953.jpg
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> that was last week
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> the red head is my lady
[22:47] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: to play videos, you can quickly install a program like KMplayer, which plays basically anything.
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: wasnt too wasted....honest
[22:47] <Uber1> and music?
[22:47] <ShadowKnight> Uh huh. Sure.
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: amarok, mplayer
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> !mplayer | uber
[22:47] <ShadowKnight> ^applicable to both ActionParsnip and Uber1
[22:48] <ShadowKnight> !VLC
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> !amarok | Uber1
[22:48] <Uber1> can i just write these to my flash drive?
[22:49] <Tecumseh> what do you want to do with them on your flash drive?
[22:49] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: It's easier to install using the package manager, it organizes everything for you.
[22:49] <ShadowKnight> ActionParsnip: nice heels.
[22:50] <Uber1> ok
[22:50] <Uber1> how do i write the ISO file to a CD?
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: anyway you want
[22:50] <szakulec_> just tell your burning program to write an image
[22:50] <Uber1> im on windows
[22:50] <szakulec_> the same applies
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> ShadowKnight: thats angel, shes a bitch
[22:51] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: In Windows? I don't know, but your burning program should have an options.
[22:51] <szakulec_> it should be write ISO image
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: how do you burn CDs?
[22:51] <szakulec_> or write Disc Image
[22:51] <Uber1> i just drag and drop, then write to cd
[22:51] <szakulec_> that won't work with an ISO more than likely
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: try opening the iso with your cd writing sotware
[22:52] <Uber1> i dont have any
[22:52] <Uber1> just use windows default
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> or install imgburn
[22:52] <Uber1> ok
[22:52] <ShadowKnight> http://www.petri.co.il/how_to_write_iso_files_to_cd.htm here's a tutorial Uber1
[22:52] <szakulec_> imgburn is a good choice
[22:53] <Uber1> ok
[22:53] <Uber1> downloading now
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> id use torrents, its usually fastter
[22:53] <Uber1> ok
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> and can be resumed
[22:54] <Uber1> what is an image file?
[22:54] <Uber1> is it something that pretends to be a CD?
[22:55] <ShadowKnight> Uber1: It is the exact data on a cd. Every last bit.
[22:55] <ShadowKnight> (pun intended)
[22:55] <Uber1> lol ok
[22:55] <ShadowKnight> brb people
[22:55] <Uber1> how can i run an image file?
[22:57] <Uber1> nvm
[22:58] <Uber1> now, once i write this to a cd, how do i run it on the new computer?
[22:58] <Uber1> do i have to use the bios, and boot from CD?
[23:00] <Uber1> or what?
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> Uber1: rtfm for you motherboard, its most likely always set to boot from cd
[23:03] <Uber1> ok
[23:03] <Uber1> and thats what i do, boot from cd?
[23:03] <szakulec_> yes- hopefully, your computer will boot from the CD instead of your harddrive
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> indeed boot from cd and its all there
[23:03] <Uber1> ok, simple enough
[23:04] <Uber1> does amarok play wma files?
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> !w32codecs
[23:07] <Uber1> ok
[23:07] <Pepcok^PotLS> is there a possibilty to "bring" windows fonts (Times new Roman) to Ubuntu. Or maybe could you tell me what to do if words are to small and font is not very good for my eyes
[23:08] <blackdragon_> someone running latest kde4 version of kubuntu?
[23:08] <szakulec_> Pepcok: look for the mscorefonts package, or the libertine fonts package
[23:09] <Pepcok^PotLS> thanks
[23:09] <Pepcok^PotLS> szakulec_: are you Polish?
[23:09] <szakulec_> somewhere along the line, yes
[23:10] <Pepcok^PotLS> I thought you may speak polish
[23:10] <szakulec_> nope
[23:10] <szakulec_> actually Pepcok: check if you have linux-libertine installed
[23:10] <Pepcok^PotLS> how can I do that?
[23:11] <szakulec_> open your package manager and search for libertine
[23:12] <Pepcok^PotLS> nope i don't have
[23:13] <ShadowKnight> black
[23:13] <ShadowKnight> excuse me; back.
[23:16] <szakulec_> Pepcok: do you have the Nimbus Roman No9 font? (open up your word processor and check the font list)
[23:18] <ShadowKnight> Looks like I have to go everyone. See you all some other time. Bye!
[23:18] <szakulec_> try installing the Linux-Libertine fonts in your package manager- those should be equivalent to Times New Roman and such
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> peace out bro
[23:18] <Uber1> well, i will be back sometime later
[23:26] <Pepcok^PotLS> how to do it :>? Sorry but i'm new
[23:27] <Pepcok^PotLS> almost ubuntu Virgin :D
[23:27] <LiNuxBaBe> anyone knows a  program to connect on wireless with wpa2 protection..? Wicd won't connect
[23:44] <besitzer> nabend
[23:46] <madmakz> how's gnash doing?
[23:48] <trym74> Hi all
[23:48] <trym74> can i ask someone to help me ?
[23:48] <madmakz> is there a kde firefox integration?
[23:49] <trym74> U have problems getting Firefox installed too ?
[23:49] <madmakz> have,nt tried yet
[23:49] <madmakz> firefox-gnome-support
[23:50] <trym74> i cant get it insalled :P  but i a a newbie tho
[23:50] <madmakz> I see that one I wonder if there is a KDE support
[23:53] <madmakz> mm.. traffic here has dwindled to a crawl
[23:53] <madmakz> this channel used te be more active
[23:55] <Midspeed> hey everybody whats good
[23:55] <Midspeed> i got a question about the DESKTOPS of Kubuntu
[23:57] <Midspeed> i have 4 desktops, and i have some apps running on them, but they all stay on the taskbar, is there a way for me to put them on a different desktop and not have them show on the taskbar of the current desktop?
[23:59] <dwidmann> Midspeed: yes