[07:20] <alka_trash> umm, probably a frequent question, but do the KVM images work with Virtualbox?  :)
[09:53] <andy_lin> whois StevenK 
[09:54] <andy_lin> oops..  sorry
[10:35] <Tipolosko> hi :)
[16:28] <mryoung> would ubuntu mobile run on a one a110 ? www.a110wiki.de
[16:29] <persia> mryoung: Possibly.  Several people have asked about using it on the VIA C7-M, but I've not seen any reports as to whether it does or not.
[16:30] <persia> You'll need to install the special graphics driver manually, and probably make several configuration changes.
[16:30] <mryoung> i tried to boot a live usb image.. with lpiacompat kernel
[16:31] <mryoung> so far no luck
[16:31] <mryoung> might have been my usb stick tho.. got many squashfs read errors
[16:31] <persia> Hmm.  Hard to say then.  Which target image were you using?  McCaslin?
[16:32] <mryoung> yes
[16:32] <persia> Does it boot off a i386 live image?
[16:32] <mryoung> can i create a i386 live image with the image creator, or do you mean in general ?
[16:33] <persia> I don't think image creator does that.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent has some documentation on how one might create an image with other tools, although I've not tried it myself.
[16:34] <mryoung> well i got an external cdrom.. and i can install regular ubuntu hardy just fine
[16:34] <persia> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick might be another method, although that is for creation of an install image.
[16:35] <persia> mryoung: Right.  Unfortunately, that doesn't test the USB boot on the device :)
[16:35] <persia> It might be the kernel, or it might be the USB stick.
[16:35] <mryoung> heh.. well i also created a debian boot usb stick.. which worked
[16:36] <persia> OK.  That's sufficient then.  Thanks for the details.  I believe you've confirmed that the lpiacompat kernel doesn't boot on the C7-M.
[16:36] <mryoung> i got 2 via machines here.. a 10" and 7".. on both i would like to see a working version :)
[16:36] <persia> That said, you might be able to force an i386 kernel with lpia userspace, and get something working, but it would be a bit of a hassle.
[16:37] <mryoung> hmm.. is there a way to create own platforms for the image creator ?
[16:37] <persia> I'll recommend not using the mobile interface on the 10".  I use it on a 7" (Kohjinsha SR8), and firmly believe it would be better on something with higher DPI.
[16:37] <mryoung> well the 10" is a 1024x600 resolution
[16:38] <persia> Sure, but that's fairly low DPI :)
[16:39] <mryoung> heh.. well thats something one could work on aswell :P
[16:39] <mryoung> i think something like this should even work on all kinds of screens
[16:39] <persia> If you want to redefine image-creator platforms, you likely have to modify the source (apt-get source moblin-image-creator), but note that if you don't use lpia userspace, you may encounter issues due to differences in compilation (e.g. Hildon support).
[16:40] <mryoung> theres a real market for such "easy mode" linux systems
[16:40] <persia> Oh, it works on all kinds of screens.  I just don't think it's the best interface for the larger set.  It's designed for 4-6" screens at close to 200DPI.
[16:41] <mryoung> hmm.. what are the differences to netbook remix, if i may ask ?
[16:42] <Keule|guest> hi there
[16:43] <Keule|guest> can someone help me getting ubuntu 8.04 connected with my windows mobil 6 mobilephone??
[16:44] <persia> Keule|guest: You likely want #ubuntu: this channel is about creating a flavour of Ubuntu for use on handheld devices.
[16:44] <Keule|guest> ok persia i thought -  someone here can help - thanx 
[16:44] <persia> mryoung: I've not evaluated the netbook remix in detail.  I understand it to be derivative of both Ubuntu Mobile and Ubuntu Desktop, with a few extra parts.
[16:46] <mryoung> netbook remix might be the better choice for the 10" i guess :)
[16:47] <persia> Possibly.  I think that is likely has a better "simple mode" interface for the lower-DPI screens.
[16:48] <persia> The alternative would be to use Ubuntu Desktop, switch from metacity to matchbox, and maybe adjust a few settings to your liking.
[16:49] <mryoung> would need to install the hildon stuff tho :)
[16:50] <persia> Why?
[16:50] <mryoung> aint it that fancy gui ?
[16:51] <persia> No.  It's a framework to allow simple applications to interface easily in an integrated envionment.  It provides the panel (as replacement to gnome-panel), as a GUI element.
[16:52] <persia> There are a number of common hildon widgets, which can make things look different, and it needs les window decoration, as the menus are handled in the panel directly.
[16:52] <mryoung> so is the gui just a modified openbox ?
[16:52] <persia> That said, it also runs everything as a single process to reduce resource requirements: unfortunately this means that if anything crashes, everything crashes.
[16:53] <mryoung> oh
[16:53] <persia> Well, matchbox is the window manager.  mobile-basic-flash provides the home screen.  Each application otherwise provides it's own interface.
[16:55] <persia> So, I'd recommend using hildon if you're likely to only use the default environment, or if you have very limited RAM or processor which would benefit from hildon.  Otherwise, you may as well just tweak GNOME.  Most McCaslin or Menlow machines have a bit more CPU&RAM than the targets for which hildon was originally designed.
[16:55] <persia> (Most have more CPU&RAM than a lot of laptops that run Dapper)
[16:56] <mryoung> interesting.. wasnt hildon in charge for starting all apps maximized ?
[16:56] <persia> matchbox does that.
[16:56] <mryoung> ahh
[16:57] <persia> Mind you, these are all components of an integrated system.  The closer you look, the more modular it appears.
[16:58] <persia> If you can't run an lpia kernel, you either need to have an i386 kernel with lpia userspace (which might break in unexpected ways), or you need to customise regular Ubuntu (which has many of the same components, but not so much hildon).
[16:59] <persia> Which is the right answer for your application depends very heavily on what works, what you want to do, and how much effort you can put it to get it done.
[17:00] <mryoung> what role does gnome-mobile play ?
[17:01] <persia> GNOME Mobile is one of several upstreams to Ubuntu Mobile (and therefore the packages are available within Ubuntu generally)
[17:02] <persia> There's also some stuff from the older GPE Palmtop Environment work.
[17:05] <mryoung> well. i got enough time
[17:05] <mryoung> the question is.. will one solution work for endconsumers you sell devices to
[17:05] <mryoung> or is all this too unstable for now
[17:06] <persia> Good luck then.  If you find a change that works nicely, and doesn't adversely impact Ubuntu Desktop, please file a bug so you don't have to have as much local modification.
[17:07] <mryoung> yes.. thats something i am aiming too for.
[17:07] <mryoung> local mods means more work for me creatinmg reset DVDs or usb sticks
[17:08] <mryoung> if stuff works out without local changes.. i might be able to use remastersys without a prob
[17:08] <persia> Right.  If you're planning commercial release (as might be indicated by your previous comment), you may need some local mods for branding, etc. (to follow the remix rules), but the more you can get upstream, the better.
[17:10] <persia> Anyway, it's late here.  Good luck, and come back to ask more or report successes.
[23:05] <timboy> I'm thinking of getting a nokia n810. do you think an ARM port will surface any time soon? if not anyone know if there is a good alternative that is x86 for about the same price?
[23:14] <timboy> anone on?
[23:15] <timboy> would ubuntu mobile even function on 128mb ram?
[23:31] <GrueMaster> working in 128M is not so much of a problem as it is to port the entire image to arm
[23:31] <timboy> GrueMaster: i heard that they were planning it. just didn't know if they had a timeline?
[23:31] <GrueMaster> I have tested it with 128M.  Not much room for doing stuff, but it will at least boot.
[23:32] <GrueMaster> Not sure.  I'm personally on the other side of the fence.
[23:32] <GrueMaster> IA only.
[23:32] <timboy> GrueMaster: what device do you use?
[23:32] <timboy> i'm looking for something similar to the n810 that will run it
[23:35] <GrueMaster> The devices I'm working on aren't on the market yet.  Soon, though.  Very soon.
[23:35] <GrueMaster> There have been a lot of announcements on the internet recently.
[23:36] <timboy> sounds cool GrueMaster will it be something similar to the n810? should I hold off my purchase?
[23:37] <GrueMaster> It will be similar, except ia32 based.  I've played Quake III on one.  Not too bad.
[23:38] <timboy> wow any idea on price point?
[23:38] <timboy> how far out is release?
[23:41] <GrueMaster> price point depends on hw config.  I'm guessing $300 to start, but I could be way off.
[23:41] <GrueMaster> Should be next month release.
[23:41] <GrueMaster> I know the units I have now look hot.
[23:42] <GrueMaster> Think PSP with a slide down keyboard and touch screen.
[23:42] <GrueMaster> 2 cameras as well.
[23:43] <timboy> sounds great! thx GrueMaster i'll be watching engadget
[23:45] <convivial> hi!
[23:45] <convivial> is this place for windows mobile prorgamming?