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norsettoblairzajac: I'll give it a better look tomorrow but looks pretty good, just two things:00:07
norsettoblairzajac: the standards version is now 3.8.0 (not your fault, time passed away unfortunately)00:08
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norsettoblairzajac: since your icense is the same as perl, you need to have pointers in copyright to /usr/share/common-licenses/Artistic and /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL00:08
norsettoblairzajac: not sure if Perl-5 is GPL-2 or GPL-3, just use the right one00:09
norsettoblairzajac: also, your watch file doesn't seem to work00:11
norsettoblairzajac: also, please file a needs-packaging bug in LP and close it in your changelog with (LP: #xxxxx). You don't need all that stuff in changelog, just initial release will do00:14
mitsarionashi all...could someone help me with automake/autoconf?01:12
blairzajacnorsetto: thanks!01:25
zachtibhey, i have a packaging problem... i'm making a package that is split into multiple binary packages, all of which have some python in them.  the files are getting moved to /usr/share/python-support, but then each binary package's files go into a separate subdir after that... how can i get them all in the same directory the way it was before I spilt the package?01:33
zachtibi've been googling for a couple hours now :-/01:33
persiazachtib: The presumption is that you are splitting the package in a way that makes the separate pieces logically distinct.  While there are ways to force things to again be in the same directory, why would you want to split the package if the contents are collocated?01:39
zachtibwell, there's a daemon and multiple UI's, i want the daemon in one package, then each UI in another, but then there's also some shared module that I have in a common package01:41
persiaThat makes sense.  Now, why ought they share the same directory?01:41
zachtibwell, i know when they are in different directories, it crashes, which i'm assuming is because they can't find some of the common modules01:42
persiaThat sounds like insufficient namespace separation to me, which would be a bug.  Is the code perhaps not written to be sufficiently modular to do what you expect?01:43
zachtibthat might be the case, and if so i'll work with the devs to fix the issue01:45
persiazachtib: Good luck.  Note that without seeing the error, I'm just guessing: it could be that there's some file that needs to be in a different place, and it's just an artifact of the way the package was split.01:46
zachtibone sec, lemme reproduce and pastebin01:46
zachtibhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/23223/01:47
zachtibthat may or may not be the error that's causing trouble, i'm rebuilding now01:48
zachtibyeah, it's pretty much the same error01:51
persiaThat fragment clearly indicates that the code sought is not stored in the expected place.  That said, it's not likely you can differentiate between the code to be loaded being stored in an unexpected or misnamed directory from loading code that makes incorrect assumptions about the relative relationship to code to be loaded without investigation of the code concerned.01:53
zachtibok, i think i may have left something out when i split the package, i'm gonna go check over my scripts again01:53
persiaIt's worth checking documentation on the modularity of the affected package, and ensuring that your package split and the expected modular breakdown match: this may require patching some module names.01:53
persiaOn the other hand, this approach may not be successful, as it may be that the code is constructed in such a way that you cannot split the package in the way you desire. (it's neither simple or desireable to have two binary packages provide separate components of a single module)01:55
emgentls01:55
emgentups, wrong terminale session01:56
zachtiboh wow, yeah, i missed a lot of .py files >.<01:56
persiazachtib: Excellent news: you're now no longer communication blocked, and can proceed with your plan :)01:56
zachtibyep, till my next error at least01:57
zachtibthe project was meant to be modular from the ground up, but i think i'm the first one to actually try and build multiple binaries out of it01:58
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emgentnight02:38
zachtibpersia, got my package working, thanks for the help :)02:41
persiazachtib: Great news!02:43
persiaThere's a completely unadvertised MOTU Meeting on in #ubuntu-meeting, if anyone is available to attend.05:04
* ScottK jumps in.05:08
foxbuntuHi all, I was wondering if someone would mind a quick review of my package to provide a +2 for it06:28
foxbuntumythbuntu-apple-trailers06:28
StevenKfoxbuntu: Can you post a URL to it?06:29
foxbuntuStevenK, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mythbuntu-apple-trailers06:29
swegnerIs there a standard way to package icons to be installed using cdbs?06:42
StevenKfoxbuntu: Personally, I'm not so sure about having the source in <unpacked dir>/usr/share/mythtv. It should be installed there by debian/rules, but probably not in the upstream tarball, surely?06:45
foxbuntuStevenK, I am the upstream now, but i am not really sure what you are asking?06:47
StevenKfoxbuntu: When you unpack the .orig tarball, the source isn't in ., it's in ./usr/share/mythtv06:47
superm1a variety of the mythbuntu-* packages store it that way already06:48
StevenKIn the source? Why?06:48
superm1no need to complicate things and make a rule for moving it around06:48
superm1you know exactly where it will end up06:48
StevenKIt's three files, you add a debian/install file, and stop caring. :-)06:49
superm1well when the packages start to grow at least06:50
superm1some of them are shipping a ton of settings files say for example06:50
superm1but either way its a matter of opinion06:50
StevenKI've just never seen it done that way before06:50
StevenKDoes mythtv-frontend being installed ensure the mythtv user and group exist?06:52
superm1mythtv-common does06:53
superm1which is a dependency for mythtv-frontend06:53
StevenKRight. In any case, the packaging for mythbuntu-apple-trailers looks good.06:53
StevenKfoxbuntu: ^06:54
foxbuntuStevenK, thanks06:55
foxbuntuStevenK, did you add a comment +1?06:55
StevenKJust fighting with REVU to do so now06:56
foxbuntuthanks06:57
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dholbachgood morning07:36
nxvlhi!07:37
geserGuten Morgen dholbach07:39
dholbachhi geser, hi nxvl07:39
nxvli have been thinking today about we talk last night07:39
nxvland i think that maybe a process like debian's NM would be good07:39
nxvl(not so bottle necked as debian, but that's the idea)07:40
dholbachnxvl: what would you like to change?07:40
siretartGuten Morgen, MOTU!07:40
nxvldholbach: the mentors program07:41
nxvlin my experience with it, is too short07:41
dholbachnxvl: and what in particular would you like to change?07:41
nxvlwell07:42
nxvlfirst to have some standars for mentors07:42
nxvlso the people mentoring a new contributor to have some "steps" to follow07:42
nxvland make it more extensive07:42
nxvli was drop by my own really early as i feel it07:42
dholbachwe never announced the mentors programme really publically and even then we did not have enough mentors07:43
geserGuten Morgen siretart07:43
dholbachI'm not sure that introducing standards for mentors is going to help with that particular problem07:43
nxvlwell i was more thinking in having steps for new contributor07:44
siretart'steps'?07:44
nxvland not to hardly say mentors: this are the standars07:45
dholbachlike?07:45
nxvljust: here you have some suggestions that you can follow07:45
jscinozHey guys, im working on a number of packages, and i've run into a problem with cowbuilder, basically i cannot run multiple instances of it simultaneously as it gets dpkg admin directory locked errors, any ideas what i'm doing wrong?07:45
nxvljscinoz: have you tried pbuilder?07:47
jscinoznxvl, yes but its far slower than cowbuilder due to the extracting of the base tarball each build07:48
* nxvl loves pbuilder07:48
RAOFsbuild-on-lvm FTW!07:48
jscinozcowbuilder is still prettymuch pbuilder just cow directory rather than tarball07:48
jscinozbut any ideas why they seem to ebe sharing a common /var/lock?07:49
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nxvldholbach: actually i don't think the process isn't good, just that can be better, and i'm thinking on ways to improve it07:50
jscinozhmm08:05
jscinozanyone else notice that /var/lock is mounted on tmpfs while in a chroot (cowbuilder), causing breakage when using multiple cowbuilders at once?08:05
StevenK/var/lock and /var/run have been tmpfses since Feisty.08:06
jscinozdoes that behaviour break pbuilder/cowbuilder for anyone other than me then?08:09
StevenKI don't recall it breaking pbuilder.08:09
jscinozbasically because it seems /var/lock is common amoungst all chroots, multiple simultaneous builds fail with DPKG administrator directory locked08:11
jscinozwhen trying to satsify build depends08:11
TheMuso?c08:18
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huatsmorning everyone09:32
gnomefreakdoko: did you merge fontconfig?09:41
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sistpoty|workhi folks10:18
IulianHeya sistpoty10:18
sistpoty|workhi Iulian10:19
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norsettocheerio13:23
geserHi norsetto13:23
norsettohi geser13:24
huatshey norsetto and geser13:29
huatsnorsetto: dont you should have sent me an email about the mentoring :) ?13:30
norsettohuats \!*13:30
huatsnorsetto: !!13:31
norsettohuats: its ready to go, will send it around 170013:31
huatsnorsetto: take your time for the mail, but don't forget it !13:31
huats;)13:31
huatsno pb13:31
geserHi huats13:31
norsettohuats: would you be available to have a chat tonight? Anytime between 2200 and 0100 ?13:32
huatsnorsetto: not realy sure13:33
huatsnorsetto: can I confirm that later ?13:33
norsettohuats: ok, let me know when you see my email13:33
huatssure13:33
PMantisDoes anyone have a URL they can give me stating that deb packages are typically built to install to (for example) /usr/sbin instead of /usr/local/sbin ?14:05
directhexhttp://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.114:08
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superm1could someone take a look at this debian/control and tell me why it's even getting attempted to be built on anything that is not i386,lpia,or amd64? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23307/14:57
superm1i get mail about it FTBFS on these other platforms, but both binary packages shouldn't be touched on them14:58
directhexsuperm1, can i see a failed build log?15:00
superm1http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15644065/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-sparc.coreavc_0.1~svn65-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz15:01
sistpoty|worksuperm1: afaict that's normal... architecture in debian/control will just cause a FTBFS on architectures not in there15:02
superm1sistpoty|work, well how can i keep it from building on those other arch's then?15:02
sistpoty|worksuperm1: iirc the only way that the package won't get attempted to build is via p-a-s15:02
superm1what's p-a-s?15:02
superm1soyuz thing?15:02
superm1like a soyuz override15:02
sistpoty|worksuperm1: not really, it's package-arch-specific shared by debian and ubuntu, ask lamont or elmo for details ;)15:03
sistpoty|work(and yes, it's a override database)15:03
sebnerhiuhu sistpoty|work15:03
sistpoty|workhi sebner15:03
directhexsuperm1, your standards-version needs updating while you're at it15:03
superm1directhex, not if its based on an old standards and will be backported15:04
superm1:)15:04
directhexyay, backports are a world of fun15:04
superm1sistpoty|work, well i'll ask elmo about details when he's around.  for getting this solved though, should i just file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive then?15:04
superm1to tell them to override it15:05
sistpoty|worksuperm1: iirc the right thing is to mail elmo and lamont (and there's a third person in p-a-s, I just forgot who)15:05
sistpoty|work\sh: didn't you recently ask for an updated entry in p-a-s and hence know the procedure?15:06
directhexi see nothing wrong with the control file, so it must be something silly, such as sistpoty|work's suggestion15:07
\shsistpoty|work: yes..ask lamont,elmo or infinity15:08
sistpoty|work\sh: a, thx... superm1 ^^15:09
directhexso why does LP ignore the Architecture line?15:09
directhexi mean, isn't the entire effing point of it so you don't need some kind of magic override database with the same goddamn info in it?15:10
superm1thanks \sh15:10
sistpoty|workdirecthex: it doesn't ignore it, it does the right thing, which is to fail the build15:10
directhexsistpoty|work, it's intentional! if it was meant to attempt to build on that arch, then it'd be listed in Architecture!15:11
sistpoty|workdirecthex: the p-a-s layer exists mainly to ease porting, and because maintainers are often wrong in regards to architecture15:11
Hobbseesuperm1: u-a can't do anything about overrides, last i knew.15:12
Hobbseeit's only lamont / infinity / elmo iirc.15:12
superm1okay :)15:12
directhexsistpoty|work, if it's to ease porting, then it's implemented wrong - it should either assume the packager isn't thick (and allow the porters to override on a per-package basis) or assume the packager isn't thick, and only bother the porters with FTBFS issues (because nobody wants to see mess caused by trying to build obviously i386-only junk on hppa)15:14
gesersuperm1: http://cvs.debian.org/srcdep/Packages-arch-specific?root=dak&view=markup is the current P-a-s list used both by Debian and Ubuntu15:15
* directhex grumbles15:15
superm1surely its not identical in both.  we have packages not present in debian15:16
sistpoty|workdirecthex: well, p-a-s is just an override on a per-package basis (everything that's not in there imo takes the values from the architecture field)... that the uploader gets the ftbfs mails is a different question though, and nothing debian specific ;)15:16
gesersistpoty|work: isn't the default that it's given to every buildd and will fail later because of the Architecture line?15:17
sistpoty|workgeser: not too sure actually, that at least happens *if* there's s.th. in p-a-s15:17
sistpoty|workgeser: however that may be true as well15:17
sistpoty|workgeser: oh, indeed, since coreavc is not in p-a-s15:19
persiasuperm1: It is identical for both distributions.  Perhaps eventually Soyuz will move away from P-a-s, and use the extracted information from the architecture field, but it isn't so implemented yet.15:19
superm1persia, so that means if elmo/infinity/lamont fix it, they will be adding this override in debian for a package that (currently and possibly never) isn't present there?15:21
persiasuperm1: Precisely.  The reason it is those three people is because of the role they have in Debian.  The fact that it matters for Ubuntu is only accidental.15:22
superm1geez.  that makes more sense why ~ubuntu-archive cant touch it then15:22
persiaYep.  I heard once that the long-term goal was not to use P-a-s, but that it was leftovers from dak, which is why it is that way.  If such a plan isn't in place, it likely makes more sense to branch P-a-s for administration by buildd-admins.15:24
vhaarrHey, the latest audacious (1.5.1-1ubuntu1) segfaults on launch -- should I file a bug or is it enough to mention it here?15:41
vhaarrif I start it from a terminal I just get a message saying "Segmentation fault" and no stacktrace or anything.15:42
james_wvhaarr: please file a bug15:42
vhaarrjames_w: any other details I can provoke somehow, or logs that I should include?15:42
james_whttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash15:42
vhaarrright15:42
james_whttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace15:42
james_wthose pages should help you provide information about the segfault.15:43
james_walso, you should look in /var/crash to see if you have any audacious crash files15:43
james_wif you do then running "apport-cli -c <file>" on one will file a bug using apport which may be easier than getting the backtrace yourself.15:43
vhaarrjames_w: actually I dont have apport installed, would that make it easier to generate a backtrace in the first place? If I install apport and try to run audacious again, I mean.15:45
vhaarrthere are no logs in /var/crash15:45
james_wthere won't be if apport isn't installed15:45
james_wit may be easier to install it and use that, I don't know.15:46
vhaarrI am not sure how apport works, does it use some sort of kernel hooks? Perhaps I would have to restart for it to work after installing.15:46
vhaarrI'll try15:46
vhaarrah, heh, someone reported the same bug 3 minutes ago :p15:53
vhaarrhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious/+bug/24353915:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 3 in rosetta "Custom information for each translation team" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/315:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 243539 in audacious "audacious 1.5.1ubuntu1 segfaults at starting" [Undecided,Confirmed]15:53
vhaarrI was just about to file it15:53
persiaI'd really like to see a full apport trace for that: the supplied trace has missing symbols.15:54
vhaarrthe trace I generated with gdb is exactly the same as in the report already15:55
vhaarrI installed apport, but it does not provide any dialog when I reproduce the segfault15:55
vhaarr(or any log in /var/crash)15:56
persiaFrame #2 in threads 1 & 3 has no symbol?15:56
persia(and we should probably take this to #ubuntu-bugs)15:56
k0p!help16:34
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k0psomeone can help me to re-sync my key to upload on revu?16:35
sistpoty|workk0p: sure, give me a minute16:37
k0pok. :) thanks16:38
sistpoty|workk0p: hm... are you a member of the group revu-uploaders on launchpad?16:40
sistpoty|workk0p: nevermind, found you already16:41
k0psistpoty|work, yeap. I make a upload to revu. But I don't have sucessful. I forget ask to re-sync.16:42
sistpoty|workk0p: good. resync will be completed in a few minutes. I'll then put back your upload, so it should show up with in the next 10 minutes16:43
k0psistpoty|work, so.. I need re-upload files?16:44
sistpoty|workk0p: no, you don't... the files are all still there, just in the rejected queue, but I'll free them ;)16:44
k0poh thanks for spot files. sorry mistakes :)16:45
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sistpoty|workk0p: no problem16:46
LaibschHi16:54
LaibschI am trying to build a package from bzr. I have put debian/ into a separate bazaar branch, too.  debuild now complains about the debian/.bzr/ directory and binary, unrepresentable changes in there.  How can I get debuild to ignore that directory?16:54
emberLaibsch try debuild -i.bzr16:55
Laibschlooking good16:59
LaibschThanks, just what I needed.  I wonder why that is not mentioned in the man-page17:00
sistpoty|workLaibsch: debuild passes the parameters to dpkg-buildpackage, which in turn passes them to dpkg-source (when a source package should get built)17:01
sistpoty|workLaibsch: hence you can find it in the one of those man pages17:01
LaibschAh, yes right17:02
LaibschI got bitten by that before (looking for stuff in the debuild man-page when it was an option for one of the scripts it called)17:02
norsettohmmmm, how de we reserve channels for meetings? The fridge!?17:11
sistpoty|worknorsetto: ubuntu-news-team list (cf. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-June/000428.html)17:14
norsettothanks super-master sistpoty|work (even though I still have to find how to actually do the bloody thing)17:16
sistpoty|worknorsetto: you mean how to register a meeting?17:18
norsettosistpoty|work: yes, how to check if the room is available and book it17:18
sistpoty|worknorsetto: that's a good question... it used to be on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event (but that doesn't display anything for me atm.)17:18
norsettosistpoty|work: neither for me, so, at least I'm not blinder than usual17:19
sistpoty|workheh17:19
persianorsetto: If your meeting is soon, the #ubuntu-meeting topic can be a good guide for room availability.  If you want #ubuntu-classroom, talk to james_w or pleia17:20
norsettopersia: OK, I set it through the topic, thx17:23
persianorsetto: You really want to set it by sending a note to the ubuntu-news-team, as the bot will overwrite your /topic update at the time of the next meeting.17:27
persiaI only meant to suggest that reading the /topic was an alternate mechanism to get the list of events whilst that fridge page was blank.17:27
norsettopersia: well, never mind, as long as the room is free I'm happy17:28
persianorsetto: It's usually free around that time, but I still encourage you to send a quick email, just in case :)17:32
porthosenorsetto: 20:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting for the mentoring reception meeting sounds good, will be there :)17:44
norsettoporthose: cool17:44
* DktrKranz kicks at himself for bogus twisted-calendarserver upload :/17:44
* norsetto didn't know that totem could use mplayer as the backend17:45
porthosenorsetto:  I have emailed everyone on the "status" list, requesting an update. :)18:07
pochuhi all!18:10
sistpoty|workhi pochu18:10
pochuhey sistpoty|work18:12
* sistpoty|work needs to head home, cya18:19
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Technovikinghow do I create a .dsc file for a new pakage18:39
azeemdpkg-source does tat18:39
azeemthat*18:39
directhexdebuild -S -sa?18:43
Technovikingazeem: is there a guide to dpkg-source somewhere18:43
azeemthere's the manpage18:43
azeembut probably using debuild or dpkg-buildpackage -S is better18:43
Technovikinghow do I get past gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available18:44
RainCTTechnoviking: what are you using, debuild?18:44
TechnovikingRainCT: yes18:44
RainCTTechnoviking: debuild -S -sa -k<your email address>18:45
RainCTor use  dch  to sign the last changelog entry with your name and email18:45
RainCT(supposing that you have a GPG address and the variables DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL are exported)18:46
norsettoporthose: thanks18:47
porthosenorsetto: np18:47
Technovikingdoing  debuild -S -sa -kmike.basiner@ubuntu.com18:48
Technovikingstill get error, gpg is setup on this machine18:49
RainCTTechnoviking: and you have a GPG key for e-mail address mike.basiner@ubuntu.com?18:49
RainCT(on your machine)18:49
TechnovikingRainCT: yup18:49
RainCTTechnoviking: isn't there a 'g' missing?18:51
Technovikingneeded key and not e-mail18:51
RainCTTechnoviking: ie, basinger and not basiner18:51
Technovikingmistyped in irc, was ok in terminal18:51
RainCTah18:52
RainCTit should work with the e-mail then... :S18:52
Technovikinge-mail work not after using gpg key18:53
Technovikingmust have a gpg problem somewhere18:53
Technovikinglets see if pbuilder will work now18:54
=== Laibsch changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Subtitles for your movies
LaibschOops, sorry18:59
LaibschWrong window19:00
LaibschCan somebody please change that back?19:00
=== Laibsch changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: The topic for #ubuntu-motu is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | 8.04 is released: Let's fix any SRU-worthy bugs before the users try the package. | Intrepid open, go wild! https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | QA targets available from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com | TODAY - Another day!! Keep working.
LaibschDone19:00
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sistpotyhi folks19:41
norsettosistpoty: who are you?19:41
norsettosistpoty: hmmm, I guess you are the poorer brother of sistpoty|work19:42
sistpotynorsetto: yes... imagine sistpoty|work in the evening, with a beer at hand *g*19:42
norsettosistpoty: cheers :-)19:43
sistpotycheers :)19:43
grimkohi all, I'm very new to this but I'd like to create a program that would warn the user if disk space runs low19:51
grimkoI've already made daemons in Perl or bash, and the idea would be to send a message to the notification area (that's just for a quick start)19:53
johanbrgrimko: That already exists, I think it's part of gnome-volume-manager.19:54
grimkothe problem is that I got no idea how to send a message to this notification area :)19:54
grimkovolume ?19:54
grimkojohanbr, not in hardy in my opinion19:55
johanbrIt's there. See /usr/share/doc/gnome-volume-manager/changelog.Debian.gz19:55
grimkook, I'll have a look thx19:56
ScottKsistpoty: Did you have a chance to have a look at nxvl's packaging of augeaus yet?  It's got some library stuff in it, so I suggested to him it'd be good for you to have a look.19:57
ogragrimko, beyond that the libnotify-bin package has a binary called notify-send that you can use from scripts19:57
grimkothx ogra, I'll take a look there too :) do you know if the low space running notification exists somewhere ?19:58
ograi did, i didnt run out of space in hardy yet :)19:58
ogra*it did19:58
sistpotyScottK: no, not yet... is it on revu?19:59
ograi'm not sure about the current satatus though19:59
ScottKYes.  I think I may have spelled it wrong though.19:59
ScottKJust a moment.19:59
ScottKsistpoty: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=augeas19:59
sistpotythanks ScottK, will take a look20:00
ScottKGreat.20:00
pgibhello ubuntu-motu fellows.  I am not an Ubuntu user myself, but I am a developer of the application LMMS.  lmms.sf.net.  The package is already in universe.  We are about to release an alpha of the next major version.20:08
pgibHow do I get in touch with the correct maintainer so we can make sure the next version will be properly supported by Ubuntu?  Thanks!20:09
pgibI looked around on the motu pages, but.. it doesn't seem to be helpful for me20:11
norsettopgib: we merge lmms from Debian, therefore if you get it there we will eventually get it too20:11
pgibnorsetto: OK. that makes sense.  I guess there is a schedule saying when the last merge will be before intrepid?20:12
porthosepgib: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule20:13
pgibOK. thanks for all your help20:13
norsettopgib: we are free to merge before freeze, after that you need an exception20:14
pgibAh yesturday... we missed it20:14
taconenot that freeze I guess20:14
norsettopgib: no, feature freeze on August 18th20:14
pgibJune 26th: Debian import freeze20:15
taconepgib: follow the link to know what it means :)20:15
pgibyeah I'm waiting.. the page is slow20:15
pgibOK makes sense.20:16
sistpotyoh, that reminds me that I wanted to write a mail due to DIF20:16
pgibSo do I just need to bother you guys again once we have the new version in Debian?20:16
norsettosistpoty: you can't write mail after DIF20:16
norsettopgib: please do, we accept all currencies20:16
sistpotynorsetto: hm... I guess I didn't dist-upgrade to a post DIF state :P20:17
norsettopgib: and major credit cards20:17
pgiblol. ok :)20:17
pgibthanks for clarifying everything for me.  You should see me around in a few weeks once the package has sat in Debian for a little while20:18
getacereshello20:18
pgibgreetings20:18
norsettopgib: see you20:19
getaceresI'm trying to make a package but I have a problem trying to set the version20:19
getaceresI need it to be 1:3.1-1 but dh_make fails if I try to use that directory name (package_name-1:3.1)20:20
getacereshow can I force the version number (if possible using dh_make)20:20
azeemwhy the 1:?20:20
getaceresI want to update an Ubuntu package that has this number in the version20:21
getaceresit's at the version 1:3.0.220:21
azeemok, so why do you use dh_make?20:21
azeemdh_make isn't for updating, AFAIK20:22
azeemmaybe look into uupdate20:22
getaceresbecause the sources are not debianized and Ubuntu packagers haven't updated the source package to version 3.1 yet20:22
getaceresso I cannot use the sources from the original20:23
azeemthat's what uupdate is for20:23
azeemor just copy over the debian/ directory, run dch -i, and change the version number accordingly or something20:24
getaceresok, I'll try, thanks20:25
james_wI have a package here that does "ln -s /usr/bin/foo debian/bar/usr/lib/bar/foo"20:41
james_wdoes that shake out to do the right thing in the binary package?20:41
james_wyes, it does apparently. It just didn't look right.20:47
james_wby right thing I meant have "/usr/lib/bar/foo -> /usr/bin/foo" in the binary package.20:47
sistpotyjames_w: if /usr/bin/foo is in the depends of the package the link looks good... however the harder question is: why would you want to do such a link?20:47
james_wsistpoty: ah, all the files are in the same package.20:47
james_wI was just worried that it might get confused due to the absolute target.20:48
sistpotyjames_w: but then it still doesn't make sense to me imho20:48
james_wa "cp" would obviously be wrong.20:48
james_wI think the code is there for compatibility, "foo" moved to /usr/bin, but this makes sure you can still call /usr/lib/bar/foo20:49
sistpotybut /usr/lib/bar/foo is not meant to be called directly. Do any depends call it?20:49
sistpoty(or was it an error in the first place, and should have been in /usr/bin all the time, and scripts might rely on it?)20:50
sistpotys/depends/rdepends/ btw ;)20:50
james_wnot sure I'm afraid, I'm not familiar with the package, it just caught my eye, so I wanted to check.20:51
sistpotyjames_w: yeah... good catch :)20:51
james_wthanks for the help20:52
sistpotynp20:53
huatsnorsetto: there I am20:53
getaceresthank you for your help. It worked, now I have my package updated21:01
DRebellionWould somebody mind giving my package a review? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=monkeystudio Thanks ;)21:07
sistpotyScottK: finally commented on nxvl's package21:09
ScottKsistpoty: Thanks.  I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but it looks like an interesting idea.  I'm glad he's working on it.21:10
* sistpoty must admit that he doesn't look at packages on REVU because he thinks them useful... at least most of the time :)21:11
ScottKI don't normally hunt down reviewers without a good reason.21:11
sistpotyheh :)21:12
norsettohuats, porthose: hi guys sorry for the delay21:15
huatsnorsetto: no pb21:16
huatswe are in meeting21:16
huatsI mean ubuntu-meeting21:16
huatsnxvl is not here yet21:16
norsettohuats: I think porthose left already?21:17
huatsnope21:17
pochudo .xpm icons need to call dh_icons?21:25
sistpotypochu: no idea, but I guess they should (otoh an icon cache should find newly added icons by itself, but that's not up for discussion *g*)21:27
huatsraphink: are you around ?21:28
huatsslomo__: are you around too ?21:29
pochusistpoty: ok, it won't hurt adding it if they don't anyway :)21:29
pochuemgent: I'll call dh_icons in debian/rules and sponsor it, if you are OK ^21:30
emgentok nice21:32
emgentbut if i remember well it`snt necessary21:32
pochuemgent: and build-depend on debhelper >= 5.0.51~ for it, that's fine for backporting to hardy, right?21:32
emgentpochu: yes, backported in my PPA for test and work fine21:32
pochuI mean, hardy's debhelper is >= 5.0.51, right?21:33
pochulet me see21:33
pochuyes, that's fine for gutsy too21:34
pochuok, uploading21:34
emgentyes21:34
emgentthanks pochu21:34
* sistpoty will be right back after a reboot21:34
emgenthi no0tic :)21:38
no0tichi emgent21:38
jpdsevening no0tic21:39
no0tichi jpds :)21:39
sistpotyhm.. things to not write on irc when on intrepid: "brb after reboot" *g* (epic fail!)21:46
ffmis it too late to submit a package for intrepid?22:20
ScottKNo.22:20
ffmScottK: How long do I have?22:20
sistpotyffm: until FeatureFreeze (see wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule)22:24
pgibAugust 28th I think22:24
pgibI just asked the same question :)22:24
ffmsistpoty: merci.22:25
sistpotyffm: de rien ;) (which is the only french I know *g*)22:25
aibwhat can I do to help push a package that is currently in Debian's unstable branch into the next release of Ubuntu?22:40
aibspecifically, I am interested in the Debian unstable package libsoqt4-20. This is an SoQt thats linked against Qt-4, whereas the SoQt currently in Ubuntu is linked against Qt-3. Here's the url: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libsoqt4-2022:42
RoAkSoAxaib, i believe libsoqt4-20 is already in the Intrepid repos: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=intrepid&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libsoqt4-2022:44
aibNice.22:45
aibthat saves me a lot of work ^_^22:45
sistpotyhm... /me is about to step motu-release on the feet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23375/23:04
* sistpoty decides to step people on the feet23:08
ScottKsistpoty: Thanks.  What I most want from motu-release this time is to not feel like it'll all fall apart if I get distracted, so thank you for stepping up.23:14
sistpotyScottK: not too sure if I did the right thing... but I think pointing out what went wrong is important, even if it hurts ppl.23:20
ScottKI agree.  We'll see how it goes.23:21
sistpotyhm.. /me has another entity to step on the feet.23:22
sistpotylol, that's so funny, while digging to find the "MC must vote after 12 days", I've seen so far ScottK's *motu* application and nixternal's23:41
sistpotydamn, who else did I process back then *g*23:42
sistpotysuperm1: for sure ;)23:42
mario_limonciell12 days.  ha23:44
mario_limoncielli think my app was open what like 100 days?23:45
sistpotymario_limonciell: at least that's what I thought, that MC came to this conclusion once... but mail-archive doesn't really support my memory ;)23:47
mario_limoncielli thought i remembered reading  that too though23:47
mario_limoncielland thinking to myself, oh this app will be closed out since no one responded in 12 days23:47
LaneyCan I kindly ask a backporter to look at and hopefully ACK bug #226587 please? :)23:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 226587 in hardy-backports "Please backport xmonad and xmonad-contrib 0.7-1 from intrepid to hardy" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22658723:50
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