[01:21] <Venus_Mars> can someone help me debug?
[01:23] <Volans> Hi all :)
[01:25] <Volans> asac: there will be a backport for FF3 final release for gutsy?
[06:16] <jetsaredim> asac: is there a help channel for nm?
[07:56] <valent> good morning
[09:06] <gnomefreak> anyone on intrepid see a difference in theme?
[09:07] <fta_> depends if you are using Murrine
[09:07] <gnomefreak> fta_: default theme
[09:07] <gnomefreak> its grey now
[09:07] <fta_> which one is default ? Human or Human-Clearlooks ?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> im about to upload a screenshot
[09:10] <gnomefreak> http://www.flickr.com/photos/26378196@N05/2615608778/ notice the greyish color everywhere
[09:10] <fta_> that's murrine, in intrepid, it's now a dark theme
[09:11] <gnomefreak> i dont have that in appearence
[09:11] <fta_> i liked murrine in hardy, i'm now using human-clearlooks
[09:11] <gnomefreak> it looks like custom but i nevere changed default theme
[09:11] <fta_> it's called human-murrine
[09:11] <gnomefreak> i see human-murrine
[09:12] <gnomefreak> its still light theme
[09:14] <fta> gnomefreak, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/themes.png
[09:15] <jdhore> gnomefreak, could you share your .bashrc? I want a bash prompt coloured like that
[09:15] <gnomefreak> jdhore: lol once i figure out why it changed
[09:16] <jdhore> heh
[09:16] <gnomefreak> jdhore: give me a few im working on prism
[09:16] <jdhore> take your time
[09:16] <jdhore> I'm going to bed soon anyway
[09:16] <fta> gnomefreak, what are you doing on prism ?
[09:17] <fta> gnomefreak, i'd say, don't do anything major, i've almost completely trashed the package (cdbs + my new xulapp build system for prism 0.9)
[09:19] <gnomefreak> jdhore: btw its not bash theme its regular theme
[09:19] <jdhore> ah
[09:19] <jdhore> mine's not coloured like that
[09:19] <gnomefreak> fta: setting it to flicker im not building it
[09:20] <gnomefreak> yay  that worked
[09:20] <gnomefreak> ok let me see this
[09:21] <gnomefreak> jdhore: most of it is set to new-human
[09:27] <gnomefreak> that was strange
[09:32] <gnomefreak> what langpacks does gajim use?
[09:33] <gnomefreak> damn i really liked that app
[09:33] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: it doesn't
[09:34] <gnomefreak> Nafallo: it tells me it does for dictionary
[09:34] <gnomefreak> would that be hunspell or myspell
[09:34] <gnomefreak> mozilla = hunspeall for most part
[09:35] <Nafallo> aha. you mean like that. that's not langpacks in my mind :-)
[09:35] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ gajim
[09:35] <gnomefreak> Requires docutils 0.4 for set_classes to be available
[09:35] <gnomefreak> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf", line 17: invalid constant used : lcdfilterlegacy
[09:35] <gnomefreak> Nafallo: its not but its ~4am here
[09:35] <gnomefreak> it runs i just dont see it nor do i see icon for it next to clock
[09:35] <fta> gnomefreak, so that fuck up the last merge
[09:36] <gnomefreak> fta: i was thinking that but i dont think gajim was merged yet
[09:36] <fta> fontconfig
[09:36] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: gajim is not supposed to be merged, no.
[09:36] <gnomefreak> fta: ah
[09:36] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: we have our own package.
[09:37] <Nafallo> and it is the latest stable version already.
[09:37] <gnomefreak> fontconfig may be right on money
[09:37] <fta> it's bad, you probably no longer have lcd subpixel filter
[09:37] <Nafallo> I'm surprised gajim-svn haven't been imported.
[09:37] <gnomefreak> dont know if its wrapped up in fontconfig i have no way to tell
[09:37] <Nafallo> glad as well ;-)
[09:38] <gnomefreak> im scared of bitlbee and go figure i use irssi and love it
[09:39] <gnomefreak> fta: what version of fontconfig do you have on intrepid
[09:39] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/fontconfig/2.6.0-1ubuntu1
[09:39] <fta> merged yesterday
[09:39] <gnomefreak> fontconfig: Installed: 2.6.0-1ubuntu1
[09:40] <fta> yep
[09:40] <fta> ask doko
[09:40] <gnomefreak> fta: do you know who merged it or was it autosync
[09:40] <gnomefreak> i guess that would be doko
[09:43] <fta> he dropped debian/patches/04_ubuntu_monospace_lcd_filter_conf.patch
[09:43] <fta> hm or debian/patches/03_lcd_filter_freedesktop_bug13566.patch
[09:45] <gnomefreak> 53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf << is that in either patch?
[09:46] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  418 2008-06-27 10:46 02_ubuntu_fonts_conf.patch
[09:46] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  776 2008-06-27 10:46 04_ubuntu_monospace_lcd_filter_conf.patch
[09:46] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2712 2008-06-27 10:46 05_ubuntu_add_hinting_and_antialiasing_confs.patch
[09:47] <fta> so it's 03_lcd_filter_freedesktop_bug13566.patch
[09:47] <fta> maybe there were a conflict of some kind.
[09:47] <gnomefreak> im looking at Add a (optional) include for "language-selector.conf" in fonts.conf - debian/patches/03_preferred_symbol_font.patch:
[09:48] <gnomefreak> no maybe not
[09:49] <gnomefreak> fta: wtf is with ff3 crashes from your repo
[09:50] <gnomefreak> i got it while opening bug 243130 i close the popup and ff doesnt close or crash
[09:50] <gnomefreak> fta: btw here is the patch waiting for sponsoring http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15618441/fontconfig_2.6.0-1ubuntu2.debdiff
[09:54] <gnomefreak> i guess ill wake up a bit first before attaching all the wikis for 3rd time in 2 days
[10:00] <gnomefreak> btw fta Nafallo what do you like better ubuntu-mozillasquad or ubuntu-mozilla-squad?
[10:05] <gnomefreak> holy shit people and thier extensions :(
[10:07] <gnomefreak> bdmurray: thanks for hitting those extension bugs
[10:07] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: whatever fits best with what other teams use for their squads
[10:09] <gnomefreak> theres a BugSquad so im thinking leave it without the extra -
[10:10] <gnomefreak> but just wanted people opinion
[10:10] <fta> gnomefreak, it will not help
[10:10] <gnomefreak> fta: what wont?
[10:11] <gnomefreak> the debdiff?
[10:11] <fta> the debdiff will not address the missing lcdfilterlegacy patch
[10:12] <gnomefreak> fta: can you comment on the bug, i would but they would ask why, and your better at patches than i
[10:12] <fta> i'm at work, i don't have much time
[10:12] <gnomefreak> ok
[10:22] <gnomefreak> firefox 3.01 is about to be released :) they are having bug day today :)
[10:30] <Triona> test day. :)
[10:30] <Triona> Bug day was tuesday :)
[10:31] <gnomefreak> yeah thats it sorry
[10:33] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: when you get here have you any idea why nuke anything wasnt packaged? it seems there is now a nuke anything enhansed im looking at all those extensions that need packaging.
[10:34] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, that's right. I suppose it isn't packaged because nobody took it :). There is also Sage-Too. Sage development has stopped, someone took it over from there and named it Sage-Too. The same is for Nuke Anything
[10:34] <Jazzva> I'll add Sage-Too to the needs packaging table these days.
[10:34] <fta> gnomefreak, the packaging of extensions is lagging behind because we need the scripts that i'm supposed to write. my bad
[10:34] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: ok im commenting on bugs to add it to the extension page so we can track it
[10:35] <Jazzva> fta, isn't that related to the autoupdating of already packaged extensions? Or, will it also pull new extensions :D?
[10:35] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, noticed. You and bdmurray did a very good job there :).
[10:35] <gnomefreak> for example bug 158842 i would really like them to go through us before revu IMO
[10:35] <Jazzva> s/did/are doing/
[10:36] <gnomefreak> :) wait i have to go over all our wikis again today
[10:36] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, well, if someone starts packaging them we can point to the wiki packaging page.
[10:36] <fta> Jazzva, if it goes well, i assume that some amo exts could be pre-packaged by a script, kind of auto-fill the template based on smart rules
[10:37] <Jazzva> fta, that sounds cool :)
[10:37] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: i think we should come up with a way to get people that package them to use the wiki first as i have seen a couple of these bugs where reporter didnt touch them for over a month
[10:38] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, I don't know if there is a way other than manually positng links :/
[10:38] <Jazzva> *posting
[10:38] <fta> Jazzva, the problem is i'm busy those days, and it will get worse up to mid-july.
[10:38] <Jazzva> fta, take your time :). We will do it manually until then...
[10:38] <Jazzva> I suppose there's no hurry...
[10:39] <fta> i fell ashamed; it's my fault
[10:39] <Jazzva> it's ok :)...
[10:39] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: well all im saying is get the user to fill out parts of the wiki before packaging it so we can see if its ok like im looking at one that depedns on libstdc++5 that needs to be changed to ++6 if possible but since the reporter didnt add it to our wiki we would have never known
[10:41] <Jazzva> well, i'm off to study BPSK, ASK, M-QAM and similar acronyms... see you later :)
[10:42] <gnomefreak> revu may just accept package with nonfree license and throw it in multiverse but should really be rejected or ask upsttream to change it
[10:42] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, I get your point. But extensions are not processed through REVU.
[10:42] <gnomefreak> katell them that
[10:42] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: tell them that
[10:42] <Jazzva> Now, we just need a way to explain that to the packagers :)
[10:42] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/146324
[10:44] <judoka> hi everybody, i was wondering if you could solve some doubts i have about Firefox 3, they are: in what way is Firefox 3 "insecure" and what kind of data is transmitted (if any) through single-pixel gifs?
[10:44] <gnomefreak> or we should get asac to tell them
[10:44] <fta> VRML Browser, lol, i've packaged that kind of thing in ~1997
[10:45] <asac> tell them?
[10:45] <Jazzva> Well, I didn't know that exist anymore :). When I read about it, it was also ~1997 :)
[10:45] <fta> thought vrml was a long dead techno ;)
[10:45] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, asac: It's ok, I'm typing a reply to the bug report :)
[10:45] <asac> kk
[10:45] <Jazzva> asac: To tell new packagers that the extensions are managed in bzr and that they're not processed through REVU
[10:46] <gnomefreak> 7 or so of them i saw today
[10:46] <gnomefreak> btw thanks for help on extension bugs bdmurray ;)
[10:48] <Jazzva> done for this one...
[10:50] <Jazzva> Ok, off now... The acronyms are waiting.
[10:50]  * Jazzva sighs
[10:52]  * gnomefreak will add note to wiki page
[11:04] <gnomefreak> should we have extension packagers ping us in here to check and push extensions or should we use bug reports?
[11:14] <asac> Jazzva: sorry
[11:14] <asac> brian murray opened a bunch of needs-packaging bugs that were open in the archive
[11:14] <asac> thats the story of the sudden bug flood
[11:14] <asac> i told him that this is the right procedure
[11:15] <Jazzva> asac, for what :)?
[11:15] <asac> Jazzva: for requesting new packages
[11:15] <asac> e.g. subscribe firefox-extensions + add it to wiki
[11:15] <Jazzva> asac, no problem. It was good to see that someone did that :).
[11:15] <asac> ok. just thought that his action has caused confusion
[11:16] <Jazzva> no, it's ok :)
[11:19] <gnomefreak> not confusion just some fun work ;)
[11:20] <asac> Jazzva: so do those all have a proper license?
[11:20] <asac> can we ask the bug submitter to gather that info for us?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> not all were posted on the wiki
[11:20] <Jazzva> asac, dunno. Ask bdmurray and gnomefreak ... They did the bug work :)
[11:20] <asac> or better do it on our own?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> asac: i did already
[11:20] <gnomefreak> i asked
[11:20] <asac> gnomefreak: ok.
[11:20] <gnomefreak> when i get caught up maybe ill start on them
[11:20] <asac> hope that it doesnt take too long ;)
[11:20] <gnomefreak> i have to redo all wiki catagories
[11:21] <asac> most likely the bug submitter have no clue about licensing :)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> most dont
[11:24] <gnomefreak> btw new team will be ubuntu-mozillasquad  any objections please let me know in the next hour or 2
[11:25] <asac> ++
[11:25] <asac> gnomefreak: fine with me :)
[11:25] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, it's cool :)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> ok thanks i will add it and work up a summary
[11:27]  * asac grabs soe food
[11:43]  * gnomefreak grabs some food as well
[11:44] <fta> gnomefreak, is your upgrade clean on intrepid ?
[11:45] <fta> gnomefreak, mine has some packages stuck for a long while
[11:45] <gnomefreak> fta: i have no held back packages
[11:45] <fta> The following packages have been kept back:
[11:45] <fta>   cpp-4.2 gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base libgfortran2 libldap-2.4-2
[11:45] <fta> but if i force:
[11:45] <fta> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:45] <fta>   gtkpod libffi4 libgpod3 libldap2 libpt-1.10.0 libpt-plugins-alsa libpt-plugins-v4l libpt-plugins-v4l2 rhythmbox
[11:45] <fta> The following packages will be upgraded:
[11:45] <fta>   cpp-4.2 gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base libgfortran2 libldap-2.4-2
[11:45] <gnomefreak> fta: i fixed that a while ago just cant remember what i did
[11:45] <gnomefreak> fta: start with dist-upgrade
[11:46] <fta> i know but i don't want to loose rhythmbox
[11:46] <vatts> hello
[11:46] <gnomefreak> Building dependency tree
[11:46] <gnomefreak> Reading state information... Done
[11:46] <gnomefreak> Calculating upgrade... Done
[11:46] <gnomefreak> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:46] <vatts> i got that mail
[11:46] <vatts> -.-.
[11:46] <gnomefreak> vatts: what mail
[11:46] <gnomefreak> i get over 1000 a day
[11:46] <vatts> Hi,
[11:46] <vatts> mozilla is about to release an update of their firefox 2.0 release series
[11:46] <vatts> and the Ubuntu MozillaTeam [0] needs you to test the candidates builds
[11:46] <vatts> available in PPA [1].
[11:46] <vatts> like this
[11:46] <vatts> ^
[11:46] <vatts> and so on
[11:47] <Jazzva> anyone has good recommendation for wireless router?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> vatts: so you install it and use the qa site for directions and output from testing
[11:47] <Jazzva> (sorry for offtopic :))
[11:47] <vatts> i have ubuntu but i'm not currently on it buz i'll do it
[11:47] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: i love my motorola it hasnt failed me in 5+ years
[11:47] <vatts> Jazzva, linksys WRT45gl
[11:47] <vatts> ^RULEZ
[11:47] <Jazzva> vatts, that's what my friend also recommended.
[11:48] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, what motorola? I suppose it's not in production anymore, since it's 5+ years old...
[11:48] <vatts> Jazzva, you can upgrade to dd-wrt wich is awesome!
[11:48]  * vatts uses it
[11:48] <vatts> =P
[11:49] <Jazzva> vatts, I think I might go for that one somewhere in the next month. thanks
[11:49] <vatts> Jazzva, and it's cheap =P
[11:49] <vatts> easy to use
[11:49] <vatts> 1 as AP
[11:49] <vatts> 2 as client
[11:49] <vatts> 3 as client bridge
[11:49] <vatts> 4 as ac host
[11:49] <vatts> ^(or somethink like ac host)
[11:50] <Jazzva> hmm... ok :)
[11:50] <asac> hmm
[11:50] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: sometime today can you pastebin or email me a full list of extension wikis we have?
[11:50] <asac> pander committed an edit conflict to the wiki page?
[11:51] <gnomefreak> im gonna continue the catagories into those wikis as well
[11:51] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, sure... I'll ping you
[11:51] <gnomefreak> asac: would you consider apport as a catagory debuggins?
[11:51] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: thanks alot
[11:52] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, but I think it's only MT/Firefox3Extensions and MT/Firefox3Extensions/Packaging... I'll check if there is something else
[11:52] <Jazzva> There shouldn't be so far... but I might have forgot something :)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> ok wasnt sure how many we had
[11:57] <gnomefreak> ok im finally done slaving over a hot microwave for 2 minutes :)
[11:57] <gnomefreak> ill be back when im done eatting
[11:59] <asac> gnomefreak: is apport page up-to-date?
[12:13] <asac> bugs in april filed:
[12:13] <asac> Mozilla 5,334 OpenOffice 1,076 Gnome 5,364 KDE 1,335 Total: 13,109 Distributions: Ubuntu 13,064 Debian 5,103
[12:13] <asac> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/145
[12:14] <asac> now i know for sure what i always felt: its ridiculous :-D
[12:15] <gnomefreak> asac: i doubt apport or bughelper pages are up to date
[12:18] <asac> gnomefreak: then better not promote them right now
[12:19] <gnomefreak> im finding pages im not sure we should even have either they fit under a page we already have or is so small we could add it to a page we have
[12:19] <gnomefreak> for example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Procedures?highlight=(CategoryMozillaTeam)
[12:20] <gnomefreak> it can be added to states tags since that is pretty much all it is
[12:22] <asac> gnomefreak: that page is ok
[12:22] <asac> it should be extended
[12:22] <gnomefreak> here is another example why cant this be one wiki? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Apport?highlight=(CategoryMozillaTeam) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Apport/Hooks?highlight=(CategoryMozillaTeam) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Apport/Results?highlight=(CategoryMozillaTeam)
[12:22] <asac> the states and tags pages need to be unlinked for now though
[12:22] <gnomefreak> they are pretty much steps
[12:22] <asac> (they are outdated)=
[12:23] <asac> gnomefreak: err. the hooks pages must be deleted
[12:23] <asac> results too
[12:23] <gnomefreak> k
[12:23] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Apport/Retrace?highlight=(CategoryMozillaTeam)
[12:24] <asac> thats outdated
[12:24] <asac> what es is under Apport/ ?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> since apport retraces on its own on a bug its not really needed
[12:24] <asac> Hooks -> gone, Result -> gone, Retrace -> outdated/gonbe
[12:25] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Apport
[12:25] <asac> if there is no other page beneath apport, we should drop Apport completely
[12:25] <gnomefreak> delete retrace?
[12:25] <asac> byby apport
[12:25] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: does it work
[12:25] <asac> if it still works, then keep it
[12:25] <asac> but i think it doesnt work anymore
[12:25] <asac> the only thing that probably works is the "direct dbg retrace"
[12:25] <gnomefreak> i doubt it does
[12:25] <gnomefreak> asac: we have that on bug page
[12:26] <asac> but that is documented elsewhere, isnt it?
[12:26] <asac> yeah right
[12:26] <gnomefreak> ^^^
[12:26] <asac> gnomefreak: lets better fix the the bug page
[12:26] <asac> dump this whole Apport tree
[12:26] <gnomefreak> well we have to fix all of the pages
[12:26] <gnomefreak> none of them are up to date or clean
[12:29] <gnomefreak> do we have any cluefiles or anything related to bughelper at this time in bughelper app?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> oh and its not bughelper anymore IIRC
[12:30] <asac> bughelper => die
[12:31] <gnomefreak> good page just would rename it and remove all bughelper pages
[12:31] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Bughelper/Results?highlight=(CategoryMozillaTeam)
[12:31] <asac> gnomefreak: those results are more than a year old :)
[12:31] <asac> trash it ;)
[12:31] <gnomefreak> ok remove all those pages than
[12:31] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:32] <asac> yeah
[12:32] <asac> byebye
[12:32] <gnomefreak> i only have 300 more pages to decide useless or not :(
[12:33] <gnomefreak> takes forever to refresh and delete pages
[12:34] <gnomefreak> ok honestly what is up with mozillateam eclipse pages?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> and distcc page
[12:41] <gnomefreak> asac: im dropping https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Header?highlight=(CategoryMozillaTeam) since it is told how to do it on another page
[12:42] <gnomefreak> i dont see any reason to keep a page with only a header
[12:44] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm
[12:44] <asac> i dont think its that bad
[12:45] <asac> gnomefreak: the idea is to have a template for new pages
[12:45] <gnomefreak> asac: what is it there for?
[12:45] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:45] <asac> gnomefreak: for instance if you use editmoin you can specify default template to use for new pages
[12:45] <asac> that makes sense
[12:45] <asac> gnomefreak: you should try editmoin
[12:45] <gnomefreak> i do it by hand
[12:45] <asac> it allows you to not wait for the page to save ;)
[12:45] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:45] <asac> gnomefreak: editmoin is great :)
[12:46] <asac> i never used it, but now that i used it its a real improvement
[12:47] <gnomefreak> im installing and than i guess i have to figure out how to set it up
[12:47] <gnomefreak> cant use vim full time yet im still in learning mode
[12:48] <fta> gnomefreak, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> asac: most of this is out of date or not needed
[12:48] <gnomefreak> fta: dist-upgrade did that?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> i had to use -f install and a few other commands when i did it
[12:49] <gnomefreak> but that was a month or 2 ago
[12:49] <gnomefreak> oh damn
[12:49] <fta> gnomefreak, no, there was a package holding all those. it was my fault. one of my ipod hack
[12:49] <gnomefreak> asac: the page that is out of date or not neeeded is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/LPThoughts?highlight=(CategoryMozillaTeam)
[12:49] <gnomefreak> fta: ah
[12:56] <gnomefreak> bdmurray: if you happen to run across any i might have forgotten to add cat. debugging please let me know
[13:16] <gnomefreak> asac: what else does joining this team get you beside bzr access :(
[13:16] <gnomefreak> i cant think today for some damn reason
[13:18] <asac> gnomefreak: reputation ;)
[13:18] <asac> well. permission wise you also can upload to ~mozillateam PPA
[13:19] <asac> which still lacks some defined purpose though
[13:19] <gnomefreak> The biggest reason to be a part of the Ubuntu-Mozilla team is you have access to bzr branches, access to upload to our Mozilla team PPA archive, helps to be an active part of the team when you decide to go up for Ubuntu membership, reputation, among other things that we will add to this page
[13:19] <gnomefreak> if and when i think of other things they will replace the last part of that
[13:20] <asac> gnomefreak: you also get driver/administrator status several projects lead by mt in launchpad
[13:21] <asac> we usually use mozillateam as owner for projects we support
[13:21] <asac> or at least driver
[13:23] <fta> most of debian planet posts in the last few days are against firefox way to handle certificates
[13:24] <asac> fta: do you know if dhcp or something can provide http proxy info?
[13:24] <fta> hm, donno
[13:25] <fta> i haven't touched http proxies in years
[13:27] <asac> ok got it
[13:27] <asac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Proxy_Autodiscovery_Protocol
[13:27] <asac> DHCP must be configured to serve up the "site-local" option 252 ("auto-proxy-config")
[13:30] <gnomefreak> asac: hwo to add them to our team once they have contributed enough? set meeting agenda and decide/vote there or just remove them from squad and add them to MT?
[13:47] <gnomefreak> ok asac fta Jazzva you all have admin rights to u-ms team if you dont want it let me know
[13:52] <gnomefreak> holy shit this is alot of work
[13:53] <armin76> i don't want! :P
[13:55] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, why not?
[13:56] <asac> (@promotion to mt)
[13:56] <asac> we need an icon :)
[13:56] <gnomefreak> asac: im adding everyone pending on MT to this team atm
[13:56] <asac> gnomefreak: fine
[13:56] <gnomefreak> asac: come up with one ;)
[13:57] <asac> a kung-fu-fox :) ... anyone can draw one
[13:57] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozillasquad  if you feel like adding removing ect..
[13:57] <asac> gnomefreak: mozillateam should be member
[13:57] <asac> err, actually admin
[13:57] <gnomefreak> i know i havent gottent here yet
[13:57] <asac> you dont need to add us there explicitly imo
[13:58] <gnomefreak> i dont think i can add team as admin
[13:58] <asac> gnomefreak: set team owner to mozillateam and we are all admins i guess
[13:58] <asac> gnomefreak: you can
[13:58] <gnomefreak> but i will see what i can do
[13:58] <asac> or?
[13:58] <asac> gnomefreak: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev
[13:58] <asac> technical board is owner
[13:58] <asac> so it should work
[13:59] <gnomefreak> can someone check thier email and accept mozillatema
[13:59] <gnomefreak> mozillateam
[13:59] <asac> he?
[13:59] <gnomefreak> it added under pending memebers
[13:59] <asac> gnomefreak: why not set it as owner?
[13:59] <asac> try that
[14:00] <gnomefreak> as ah good point
[14:00] <gnomefreak> because it made me owner since i registered it automaticly
[14:01] <asac> wow you can already find mozilla squad in google :)
[14:02] <gnomefreak> fucking oops
[14:02] <asac> gnomefreak: works?
[14:03] <gnomefreak> asac: got oops
[14:03] <asac> where?
[14:03] <gnomefreak> in adding mozillateam as owner
[14:03] <gnomefreak> im in #launchpad asking about it atm
[14:03] <asac> gnomefreak: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+reassign
[14:04] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe because of the pending application
[14:04] <asac> lets deny mozillateam for now
[14:04] <gnomefreak> can you do that pleas
[14:04] <gnomefreak> e
[14:05] <asac> done
[14:05] <asac> gnomefreak: please try to reassign
[14:05] <gnomefreak> thanks
[14:05] <gnomefreak> much better thanks
[14:06] <gnomefreak> asac: remove yourself from team please than let me know if you have admin rights
[14:07] <gnomefreak> i can always add you back :)
[14:07] <asac> gnomefreak: i think we shouldnt say that "squad is here for people we decline", but "squad is here to enter the ubuntu mozilla community
[14:07] <gnomefreak> asac: i thought rzr was a memeber of mt
[14:08] <asac> you can join if you are interested in mozille packaging, development or just want to help out in any way
[14:08] <asac> gnomefreak: can you fix the summary so people dont feel "declined" when they end up there?
[14:08] <asac> ;)
[14:08] <asac> gnomefreak: not yet.
[14:08] <asac> gnomefreak: though on a good way ;)
[14:08] <gnomefreak> not yet?
[14:14] <gnomefreak> asac: not look let me know if better
[14:14] <gnomefreak> if not please let me know ill edit it when i finish the shit im on now
[14:14] <asac_> reconnect
[14:21] <gnomefreak> im also getting rid of former members
[14:21] <asac_> gnomefreak: did you say anything while i was disconnected?
[14:21] <asac_> last i saw was:
[14:21] <asac_> 15:08 < gnomefreak> not yet?
[14:21] <asac_> 15:09 < asac> rzr
[14:22] <gnomefreak> 09:13 -!- asac_ [n=asac@e177119191.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined
[14:22] <gnomefreak>           #ubuntu-mozillateam
[14:22] <gnomefreak> 09:14 <      gnomefreak > asac: not look let me know if better
[14:22] <gnomefreak> 09:14 <      gnomefreak > if not please let me know ill edit it when i finish
[14:22] <gnomefreak>                           the shit im on now
[14:23] <asac_> gnomefreak: did you at least tell them that they where added to squad when declining?
[14:23] <asac_> ;)
[14:23] <asac_> hehe
[14:23] <gnomefreak> no they will see it
[14:23] <asac_> gnomefreak: maybe we can send out a mail to all involved in this transition explaining this step?
[14:23] <gnomefreak> i can
[14:23] <asac_> i assume that some might be confused
[14:24] <asac_> gnomefreak: would be cool. maybe CC mozillateam ML ;)
[14:24] <gnomefreak> asac_: i need confirmation that if you leave team you still have admin rights to squad
[14:24] <asac_> and CC me explicitly. .... then add the others to Bcc:
[14:24] <gnomefreak> when im done ill send mail out to all users
[14:24] <asac_> gnomefreak: i can leave and see
[14:24] <asac_> gnomefreak: are you still in?
[14:24] <gnomefreak> yes everyone is still as they were
[14:25] <gnomefreak> except owner
[14:25] <asac_> gnomefreak: i can change owner now ... i couldnt do that while you were owner
[14:25] <asac_> let me see if i still can after leaving
[14:25] <asac> left the team
[14:25] <gnomefreak> owner is fine
[14:25] <asac> can still change owner ... so we are all owners apparently
[14:25] <asac> can change details
[14:26] <asac> branding
[14:26] <asac> so yes, i am still admin :)
[14:26] <gnomefreak> ok ill remove single admins than
[14:26] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. remove everyone currently in mozillateam
[14:26] <gnomefreak> i am
[14:29] <asac> gnomefreak: once you have done considerable contributions for quite some time and you need access to bzr branches, PPA or administrative privileges that come with mozillateam membership,
[14:29] <gnomefreak> asac: huh? im sorry im in like 30 directions atm i dont follow
[14:29] <asac> we will review your profile during one of the mozillateam meetings and add you based on the decision reached there
[14:30] <asac> gnomefreak: thats summary suggestions for squad
[14:30] <asac> e.g. instead of "Once we feel that a person has contributed enough to Ubuntu "
[14:34] <gnomefreak> so i can drop the part that starts with "The reasons to be part...."
[14:34] <gnomefreak> asac: ^^
[14:34] <gnomefreak> be back in a moment please let me know ill change as needed when i get back from smoke
[14:36] <bimberi> asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/java-package/+bug/243469
[14:39] <gnomefreak> bimberi: we removed 1.4 from archives
[14:39] <gnomefreak> months ago
[14:40] <gnomefreak> asac: btw i added "I have removed all members that applied to Mozilla team and added everyone to this team if you wish not to be part of this team please use the leave this team link on your Launchpad home page." to the page to stop confusion i did that a while ago
[14:40] <asac> bimberi: commented (two comments)
[14:40] <asac> gnomefreak: thats about the package creation package ;) ... not the package itself
[14:41] <gnomefreak> asac: you mean the bug?
[14:42] <gnomefreak> oh ok i see that should have been said in topic of bug or tital or whatever its called
[14:43] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah the package is "java-package" ;)
[14:43] <asac> that should make it clear for the ones that know it ;)
[14:43] <bimberi> asac: gah, I some missed seeing the ":" :)  Oh well, I'll restart the xulrunner build before heading off to sleep.
[14:43] <gnomefreak> once it was removed we made conflicts so they are pretty much the same reason
[14:43] <asac> gnomefreak: good. now send out a short mail to the people involved explaining this step. use nice words ;)
[14:43] <asac> bimberi: thanks
[14:44] <gnomefreak> asac: feel like adding a part to membership wiki and mt LP team stating that join squad instead of mt ect....
[14:45] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. add it to the top of the mozillateam summary
[14:45] <asac> though i doubt anyone will read it ;)
[14:45] <asac> gnomefreak: the wiki page might be good, so we can point people to it instead of repaeting ourselves over and over again
[14:46] <gnomefreak> well i doubt ill get to wiki today
[14:46] <asac> gnomefreak: no problem ;)
[14:46] <gnomefreak> atleast not any time soon
[14:46] <asac> we still have 5 weeks till next meeting for this ACTION item ;)
[14:46] <asac> gnomefreak: but mail would be good as the confusion instantaneous :)
[14:46] <gnomefreak> yeah i would like status on tasks people were assigned so i can decide when next weeting ect..
[14:47] <gnomefreak> so far im the only one that has done any of it as far as minutes say
[14:47] <asac> gnomefreak: we just setup new meeting ... announce it 4,2,1 week in advance ... and a blog on the day to attract ad-hoc participants :)
[14:47] <asac> the actions are something we will review during meeting
[14:48] <asac> gnomefreak: jazzva also did something :)
[14:48] <asac> didnt he
[14:48] <asac> ?
[14:48] <gnomefreak> i would like the outline before i set meeting in stone
[14:48] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont think so
[14:48] <asac> i think it was wiki work
[14:48] <gnomefreak> i did wiki cat. by myself and this team with you
[14:48] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe we want a page with "current actions"?
[14:49] <asac> so we dont need to search for the meeting pages to digg them up?
[14:49] <gnomefreak> we have a to do  wiki IIRC
[14:49] <asac> would probably be a worthwhile replacement for the old "Roadmap" thing
[14:49] <gnomefreak> why not jsut add them there
[14:49] <gnomefreak> :)
[14:49] <asac> where do you want to add the actions?
[14:50] <gnomefreak> to the to do page we have. if you give me a few ill find the link
[14:50]  * gnomefreak thinks i just added jetsaredim to the new team
[14:50] <gnomefreak> but dont hokd me to that :)
[14:51]  * asac gets a warm feeling ... my 3g card is about to arrive ;)
[14:51] <asac> finally ultimate independence .... err, once it works :)
[14:52] <jetsaredim> gnomefreak: saw that thanks
[14:52] <gnomefreak> oh wtf i thought we had one
[14:52] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: your welcome you may get email from me in a few hours explaining a bit more
[14:53] <armin76> asac: what did you bought, the pcmcia?
[14:53] <asac> armin76: yeah. the express
[14:53] <jetsaredim> asac: you know stuff about network manager right - is there a support forum for that?
[14:53] <asac> jetsaredim: no. there is no real support available
[14:54] <asac> distros are your friend
[14:54] <asac> aka me ;)
[14:54] <jetsaredim> pvt msg?
[14:54] <asac> no public
[14:54] <jetsaredim> ok - i'll hop to #ubuntu
[14:54] <asac> if you have technical issues there is a developer mailing list. but please dont go there with "ubuntu has problem" :)
[14:54] <asac> jetsaredim: just ask me
[14:54] <asac> here
[14:54] <jetsaredim> o ok
[14:54] <jetsaredim> more of a feature question
[14:55] <jetsaredim> i've been using this software called dnrd for adjusting my resolver info when I'm connected to a vpn
[14:55] <jetsaredim> i was wondering if there was something like profiles for network manager so I could just change my resolver information on the fly via that
[14:55] <asac> jetsaredim: do you get dns data through your vpn?
[14:55] <jetsaredim> cause the dnrd stuff has suddenly stopped working
[14:56] <asac> jetsaredim: network manager 0.7 will bring you cure
[14:56] <jetsaredim> its a split tunnel
[14:56] <asac> for 0.6 there is no real workaround
[14:56] <asac> jetsaredim: how does it work? you want to use your interenet DNS?
[14:56] <asac> but add entries to hosts?
[14:56] <asac> (for vpn)
[14:56] <jetsaredim> yea
[14:56] <asac> do those hosts come from your vpn server?
[14:56] <asac> or you want them manually?
[14:57] <jetsaredim> not really
[14:57] <gnomefreak> damnit i cant find it we used to have a to do wiki but for some reason i cant find it, let me know if someone stumbles into it
[14:57] <jetsaredim> yea - i have the info that i can set manually
[14:57] <asac> jetsaredim: but hosts info cant be static?
[14:57] <asac> i mean you could just add your hosts there and use dns for internet
[14:58] <asac> what doesnt work if you try it that way?
[14:58] <asac> is it just that NM wipes out resolv.conf when you connect to vpn?
[14:58] <jetsaredim> yea - i'm not using the vpn plugin
[14:58] <jetsaredim> ]maybe i should start with that
[14:59] <asac> jetsaredim: obviously
[14:59] <jetsaredim> :)
[14:59] <asac> jetsaredim: however it will wipe your resolv.conf if your vpn server doesnt give you dns info
[14:59] <asac> (in 0.6)
[14:59] <asac> 0.7 should work better once everything is done :)
[14:59] <asac> (upstream + packaging wise)
[14:59] <gnomefreak> oh crap. bdmurray are you adding the extensions to the wiki page or am i gonna do that (unless reporter already did.
[15:00] <jetsaredim> so how it works is that i have a system normally that just connects on my local network and gets its ip from dhcp and dns and all that from a linksys box
[15:00] <jetsaredim> then i connect to the vpn and only certain traffic is supposed to be going over the vpn (tun0)
[15:01] <gnomefreak> asac: i might send you changelog for sunbird that outlines what i was gonna get done to close as many bugs as possible but i havent had time to get to it. one is to fix the icon since its still using the calendar one. (this is what you get for talking about a version number of 0.7 :)
[15:01]  * asac has to run to lunch
[15:09] <bimberi> asac: j2re1.4_1.4.2.02-1ubuntu3_i386.deb from the archive installs fine with my (<< 1) xulrunner still installed.  I think it would be better to have (<< 1:) though so I'll test it with that tomorrow.
[15:10] <bimberi> Oh and I change the summary of bug 243469.  Just for you gnomefreak :)
[15:16] <gnomefreak> bimberi: thanks
[15:22] <gnomefreak> asac: i wont be here when you return most likely but i changed the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Membership to reflect new team. I may send email out later today since its gonna be around 98 degrees F add 10-15 degrees to that and that is what my office feels like with PC on. Maybe ill come up with a to do page off our main wiki and add everything there since i cant find a good place for it. any ideas please email
[15:22] <gnomefreak> bimberi: did my comment end with im back?
[15:23] <bimberi> gnomefreak: no.   00:16 < gnomefreak> bimberi: thanks
[15:23] <gnomefreak> bimberi: my post to asac
[15:23] <gnomefreak> just below the one to you
[15:24] <bimberi> oh, sorry, it ends with "any ideas please email"
[15:24] <gnomefreak> shit it was road map
[15:25] <gnomefreak> asac: to finish the last post any ideas please email me  or let me know when im back
[15:50] <Jazzva> asac, I said I'm gonna move extensions pages to MT/Extensions/. Write a blog post template for mozilla-ext-dev team... (the summary at the end of a month)
[15:50] <asac> bimberi: thanks for testing
[15:50] <asac> Jazzva: ah ok.
[15:55] <Volans> asac: just an information... did you perhaps have planned to do a backport for FF3 final release in Gutsy?
[15:55] <Volans> (Hi all :))
[15:55] <asac> Volans: well, i hoped for jdong, but hbe appears to be not available atm
[15:56] <asac> but yes, we should do a backport sometimes in the near future
[15:56] <Volans> ok thanks
[16:16] <asac> ok in 2.5 hours i can try 3g ;)
[16:16] <asac> takes that long to activate the sim :/
[16:16] <Volans> new smart phone?
[16:16] <asac> and the guy told me that i can take up to 48h hours if i fail and try before :(
[16:16]  * asac cant wait
[16:16] <asac> Volans: no, just UMTS card to make NM 0.7 rock with that ;)
[16:17] <Volans> :)
[16:17] <Volans> asac: as a result of the meeting: ACTION: gnomefreak and Volans to create meeting schedule for next 6 month and take care of getting those meeting on fridge and sending preannouncements
[16:17] <asac> ok i think ill wait till 1800 UTC ;)
[16:17] <Volans> gnomefreak tell me to wait some days because he was busy
[16:17] <asac> Volans: yeah. you feel you ended up there unjustified?
[16:18] <Volans> you know if he is already busy?
[16:18] <asac> Volans: thats fine. i think we should send preannouncement 4,2,1 weeks and 1 day in advance ;)
[16:19] <asac> Volans: not sure. i guess you could help him by picking the dates and maybe drafting templates for announcements ;)
[16:19] <asac> i assume that he will get the dates on the fridge ;)
[16:19] <asac> Volans: you could ask him how that work and do it yourself too
[16:19] <asac> :)
[16:19] <asac> i have no idea about the fridge so i cannot really help unfortunatelky
[16:20] <Volans> ok I will organise the calendar dates and contact him to organise the work
[16:20] <asac> Volans: sure. gnomefreak will probably back later today
[16:21] <Volans> later for us or for him (US timezone)?
[16:22] <asac> Volans: i guess that even the US cannot travel in the past :) ... so its later for him too ;)
[16:22] <asac> just kidding
[16:22] <asac> i have no idea
[16:22] <Volans> ahahah :)
[16:22] <asac> he is more here than not
[16:23] <beDrung> Schrödinger's cat?
[16:24] <Volans> LOL
[16:32] <beDrung> i have modified htmlvalidator and pwdhash on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions Can someone have a look at it if it is correct?
[16:38] <Volans> beDrung: for htmlvalidator you can't find a license elseware?
[16:38] <Volans> I think you can add "no" under Repo column
[16:38] <Volans> (idem for pwdhash)
[16:39] <beDrung> what does repo mean?
[16:40] <Volans> from the page:  If the extension is in the repositories, please set this field to "yes". Otherwise, set it to "no".
[16:40] <beDrung> the licening of htmlvalidator is on the todo list. it contains tidy and opensp and all files have to be checked. see bug #131538
[16:40] <Volans> (look at the top of the page for column description)
[16:41] <asac_> beDrung: usually the licensing is ok if you include a license file in .xpi in top level directory
[16:41] <asac_> that license file should give the general license and if you ship certain files under a different license, name those explicitly at the end of that file as well
[16:42] <asac_> assuming that the licenses are compatible thats sufficient
[16:43] <beDrung> opensp is bsd, tidy is MIT-like and the htmlvalidator is trilicense (i think)
[16:44] <asac_> beDrung: then add a license file in top level of directory of .xpi stating Tri-license and explicitly name the other files as being originally licensed under bsd/MIT
[16:44] <asac_> though both licenses allow you to relicense iirc
[16:44] <asac_> so you could just re-release them under tri-licese
[16:44] <asac_> which isnt that great though
[16:51] <fta> wtf? http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/apt.png
[16:54] <asac> fta: from fr. mirror?
[16:54] <fta> no, the main one
[16:55] <asac> hmm
[16:55] <asac> temporary ?
[16:55] <asac> wait for the next update pulse
[16:55] <asac> maybe the packages md5sum were lost in a race
[16:55] <asac> err i think we are using shaSOMETHING :)
[16:56] <fta> blindly click on a button called "Run this" is not something i'm inclined to do, especially as root
[16:56] <asac> yeah
[16:56] <asac> i'd wait
[16:56] <asac> or at least investigate
[16:56] <asac> e.g. get he Packages file ... check integrity yourself
[16:56] <rzr> hi
[16:56] <asac> hi rzr
[16:57] <rzr> the freak fired me =)
[16:57] <asac> hehe
[16:57] <asac> rzr: you got promoted
[16:57] <asac> from "applicant" to "squad team member"
[16:58] <asac> think positive ;)
[16:58] <rzr> well while I am here to merge flashblock in hardy , I should fill a bug at https://launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+filebug , right ?
[16:58] <asac> rzr: did i upload flashblock yet?
[16:58] <asac> is the branch ready for intrepid?
[16:58] <rzr> yes in intrepid
[16:58] <asac> ok
[16:58] <rzr> you did last week
[16:58] <asac> yeah ... go and merge it to a hardy-backports thing
[16:58] <rzr> ok
[16:59] <rzr> let's do it then
[16:59] <asac> rzr: thats basically: create a new branch and flip version / target there for release ;)
[16:59] <rzr> is this documented on the wiki ?
[17:00] <asac> rzr: since we will push it to the release branch once signed-off/uploaded its just pushing the branch somewhere for you
[17:01] <asac> e.g. start with intrepid branch; flip version and use hardy-proposed in changelog
[17:01] <asac> the version is usually ubuntu version MINUS 1 + .8.04.1
[17:02] <asac> e.g. 1.0-0ubuntu2 (intrepid) would be 1.0-0ubuntu1.8.04.1 (hardy)
[17:02] <asac> for backports we could use: 1.0-0ubuntu1.8.04+backports.1
[17:02] <rzr> ok, how could I guess that ? :)
[17:02] <fta> damn, http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2008/06/mapping-northern-california-wildfires.html
[17:02] <asac> its start versioning for stable updates
[17:02] <fta> that's where i'm going next week
[17:03] <rzr> btw, someone suggested to package http://groups.csail.mit.edu/uid/chickenfoot/examples.html
[17:03] <asac> you need to pick a version that is lower than what is in intrepid, but still meaningful :)
[17:03] <asac> so we append the release version
[17:03] <rzr> it looks wicked
[17:03] <rzr> ok
[17:04] <asac> fta: what going on with that site?
[17:04] <asac> for me it blinks ;)
[17:05] <asac> fta: well. i wouldnt be too concerned about your health ;) ... more about environmental problems
[17:05] <asac> take a mouth filter with you ;)
[17:06] <Venus_Mars> does anyone know with package nsISupports.idl comes with?
[17:06] <Venus_Mars> *with what
[17:06] <asac> Venus_Mars: xulrunner-1.9-dev
[17:06] <asac> Venus_Mars: why do you need it?
[17:06] <Venus_Mars> I installed it but I only creates .h files
[17:06] <asac> Venus_Mars: nope
[17:06] <asac> Venus_Mars: they are somewhere else ;)
[17:06] <asac> Venus_Mars: pkg-config --variable=idldir libxul
[17:07] <asac> so if you need IDLDIR for some build system use: IDLDIR=`pkg-config --variable=idldir libxul`/unstable/
[17:07] <Venus_Mars> well iam using xpidl to generate interface headers it says  "can't open included file nsISupports.idl for reading"
[17:08] <rzr> libxul-dev: /usr/lib/xulrunner/sdk/idl/nsISupports.idl (on sid)
[17:08] <rzr> libxul-dev: /usr/share/idl/xulrunner/nsISupports.idl
 rzr: thats basically: create a new branch
[17:08] <asac> Venus_Mars: fo xpidl path you need to use: `pkg-config --variable=sdkdir libxul`/bin/xpidl
[17:09] <rzr> should I create a new branch or my flashblock.ubuntu one is ok ?
[17:13] <asac_> 18:07 < Venus_Mars> well iam using xpidl to generate interface headers it says  "can't open included file nsISupports.idl for  reading"
[17:13] <asac_> 18:08 < asac> Venus_Mars: fo xpidl path you need to use: `pkg-config --variable=sdkdir libxul`/bin/xpidl
[17:13] <rzr> asac: you forked
[17:13] <asac_> reconnected
[17:14] <asac_> everything after that is not on my screen ;)
[17:14] <asac_> rzr: i forked? what?
[17:14] <rzr> asac->fork();
[17:14] <asac_> hehe
[17:14] <asac_> yeah
[17:14] <asac_> and nickserv failed again
[17:14] <Venus_Mars> asac_: I am not able to figure out what is libxul?
[17:15] <asac_> Venus_Mars: just a pkg config file that has the info about idl and sdk dir
[17:15] <asac_> (one of the xulrunner-1.9-dev .pc files)
[17:16] <Venus_Mars> should I have to reconfigure it completely?
[17:16] <asac_> Venus_Mars: configure what?
[17:17] <Venus_Mars> xulrunner?
[17:17] <asac_> Venus_Mars: did i say that?
[17:17] <asac_> why?
[17:17] <asac_> run
[17:17] <asac_> echo `pkg-config --variable=idldir libxul`/unstable/
[17:17] <asac_> thats the directoy where the .idl files are
[17:18] <asac_> there is no rocket science in that ;)
[17:19] <Venus_Mars> Oh I see.
[17:19] <asac_> Venus_Mars: i just said that you should never use hard coded paths
[17:19] <asac_> always use that command
[17:19] <asac_> same for the path to xpidl
[17:19] <asac_> use `pkg-config --variable=sdkdir libxul`/bin/xpidl
[17:22] <Venus_Mars> well my idl file has #include<nsISupports.idl"
[17:22] <Venus_Mars> no hard coding
[17:22] <Venus_Mars> but its not able to include it
[17:22] <rzr> Venus_Mars: echo `pkg-config --variable=idldir libxul`/unstable/
[17:23] <Venus_Mars> iam not able to understand though my system has nsISupports.idl it says can't open included file nsISupports.idl for reading
[17:23] <Venus_Mars> well the output is  /usr/share/idl/xulrunner-1.9/unstable/
[17:23] <fta> rzr, this is xul 1.8 that you are talking about, not 1.9
[17:24] <rzr> it fails on compiling ? maybe you ommited pkg-config --cflags ?
[17:27] <rzr> asac_: you told me to change the changelog to : flashblock (1.3.10a~snapshot20080611-0ubuntu0.8.04+backports.1) hardy-proposed; urgency=low
[17:27] <rzr> but why does it ends with .1 ?
[17:27] <asac> ok my connnection is too flaky
[17:27] <rzr> isnt that only used for NMU ?
[17:27] <asac> ill pack my things and go for sport now
[17:27] <asac> laste message received:
[17:27] <rzr> I would just ends it w/ backports1
[17:27] <asac> 18:22 < Venus_Mars> but its not able to include it
[17:27] <asac> 18:23 < asac_> Venus_Mars: theproblem is not in code, but in your build system
[17:28] <Venus_Mars> okie should I run with -I option?
[17:28] <asac> rzr: which version you propose then? i dont have a problem with my suggestions ;)
[17:28] <rzr> flashblock (1.3.10a~snapshot20080611-0ubuntu0.8.04+backports1) hardy-proposed; urgency=low
[17:28] <rzr> vs
[17:28] <asac> Venus_Mars: what build system are you using? your own?
[17:28] <rzr> flashblock (1.3.10a~snapshot20080611-0ubuntu0.8.04+backports.1) hardy-proposed; urgency=low
[17:29] <Venus_Mars> well it worked
[17:29] <asac> k
[17:29] <rzr> well there are dots before ... let's use yours
[17:29] <asac> yeah. versions are no artwork ;)
[17:29] <Venus_Mars>  ./xpidl -m header -I/usr/share/idl/xulrunner-1.9/stable/  IMyComponent.idl made it to work
[17:30]  * rzr is confused w/ the gap between debian and ubuntu workflow
[17:30] <asac> Venus_Mars: dont use ./xpidl
[17:30] <asac> use what i said before
[17:30] <asac> Venus_Mars: dont use fixed paths too
[17:30] <asac> those may change and your build system would break
[17:30] <asac> if you just want to test something its ok
[17:30] <Venus_Mars> well instead of ./xpidl what should I use?
[17:31] <asac> Venus_Mars: scroll a few pages ahead
[17:31] <asac> i wrote it three times? :)
[17:31] <asac> rzr: ok. all clear? :)?
[17:31] <asac> have to go to sports now ;)
[17:31] <rzr> go have fun
[17:31] <asac> 18:13 < asac_> 18:08 < asac> Venus_Mars: fo xpidl path you need to use: `pkg-config --variable=sdkdir libxul`/bin/xpidl
[17:32] <rzr> we'll stay here and list questions for when you're back
[17:32] <asac> hehe
[17:32] <asac> damn
[17:32]  * asac hides ;)
[17:32] <Volans> I have to go... bye bye
[17:34] <Venus_Mars> Oh okie got it.
[17:37] <Venus_Mars> ﻿`pkg-config --variable=sdkdir libxul`/bin/xpidl says /bin/xpidl no such file or directory
[19:10] <valent1> asac hi
[19:11] <valent1> do you remember our discussion about fedora and ubufox going upstream?
[19:30] <valent1> I'm off...
[19:30] <valent1> later
[19:34] <skbohra> hello everybody
[20:14] <Venus_Mars> ping asac
[20:14] <asac> Venus_Mars: yeah, just returned. i am now smoking, then having dinner :)
[20:15] <Venus_Mars> Hey the sdk/include doesn't have nspr subdir
[20:15] <Venus_Mars> which is preventing me to compile the code
[20:15] <asac> Venus_Mars: no it doesnt
[20:15] <asac> Venus_Mars: nspr is evil
[20:16] <asac> Venus_Mars: what are you trying to do? standalone application?
[20:16] <fta> install libnspr4-dev
[20:16] <asac> or extension/plugin
[20:16] <Venus_Mars> http://www.iosart.com/firefox/xpcom/
[20:16] <asac> Venus_Mars: you dont need nspr for xpcom components
[20:17] <asac> well.
[20:17] <asac> Venus_Mars: you should link using LIBS=`pkg-config --libs libxul`
[20:17] <Venus_Mars> ﻿error: prtypes.h: No such file or directory
[20:17] <asac> Venus_Mars: that thing is really outdated
[20:18] <fta> gecko 1.7 :)
[20:18] <asac> even before
[20:18] <Venus_Mars> hey can you tell me what should I change in Makefile www.it.iitb.ac.in/~nithind/src
[20:18] <asac> i'd say the tutorial was written for 1.4
[20:18] <asac> Venus_Mars:
[20:19] <Venus_Mars> ?
[20:19] <asac> GECKO_INCLUDES = $(shell pkg-config --cflags libxul)
[20:19] <Venus_Mars> okie
[20:19] <asac> GECKO_LDFLAGS = $(shell pkg-config --libs libxul)
[20:19] <Venus_Mars> hold on
[20:19] <asac> Venus_Mars: drop the DEFINES
[20:20] <asac> if you need mozilla-config you need to use
[20:20] <asac> libxul-unstable instead of libxul
[20:20] <asac> mozilla-config.h
[20:20] <asac> but i dont think you need it if you ahve a simple xpcom component
[20:21] <Venus_Mars> okie
[20:21] <asac> Venus_Mars: if you want better examples visit the mozilla developer connection site (short: MDC)
[20:22] <asac> they have almost everything you need and it should be up to date
[20:22] <asac> (everything except a sensible example build system)
[20:22] <Venus_Mars> aaah! finally they are created
[20:22] <asac> fta: yeah you spotted 1.7 right ;)
[20:22] <asac> Venus_Mars: aha
[20:23] <asac> ;)
[20:23] <Venus_Mars> Man its torture for like 3hrs
[20:23] <asac> Venus_Mars: you dont need regxpcom and all this stuff
[20:23] <asac> just touch /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/.autoreg
[20:24] <asac> Venus_Mars: well thats not that bad ;)
[20:24] <asac> but you took the short-cut asking :)
[20:24] <Venus_Mars> short-cut?? I dint get you!
[20:24] <asac> hehe
[20:24] <Venus_Mars> :(
[20:24] <asac> well still short ;)
[20:25] <asac> you didnt ask the right questions ;)
[20:25] <asac> fta: we need to make the great build-system capable of build extensions ;)
[20:25] <asac> e.g. dumping an extension in extensions/ ... and then go!
[20:25] <asac> --with-extensions=mygreatextension
[20:25] <Venus_Mars> Ya may be, iam illiterate
[20:25] <asac> which lives in extensions/mygreatextensions
[20:25] <Venus_Mars> :P
[20:26] <asac> Venus_Mars: well. thats how it works. i wont be too concerned
[20:27] <asac> fta: actually i think that the buildsystem should already be mostly prepared for that
[20:28] <asac> Venus_Mars: you want to excersize on something useful?
[20:28] <Venus_Mars> Yeah I was about to ask for the link on MDC
[20:29] <asac> google ;)
[20:29] <asac> i ment something different ;)
[20:29] <Venus_Mars> google has given the link I have sent above the First link
[20:29] <asac> Venus_Mars: yeah but you didnt search for MDC ;)
[20:29] <asac> http://developer.mozilla.org/
[20:30] <Venus_Mars> Yeah I saw the xpcom there. but it very very very lengthy :(
[20:30] <Venus_Mars> its started giving lectures on inheritance blah blah
[20:30] <asac> Venus_Mars: pick the topics you are interested in
[20:32] <asac> Venus_Mars: anyway. if you want a real life task, that would help you to get used to xpcom on-the-job, just ask ;)
[20:32] <asac> its easier to learn if you do something in real-life :)
[20:32] <asac> anyway ... now dinner ;)
[20:33] <Venus_Mars> well I have to do lot of stuff in xpcom
[20:33] <asac> Venus_Mars: well. if its freesoftware fine, but if its for your private things then you probably wont find anyone who would be willing to look at specific things :-P
[20:34] <Venus_Mars> its free
[20:34] <asac> as in freedom?
[20:34] <Venus_Mars> want to develop a xpccom for ffmpeg2theora
[20:34] <Venus_Mars> actuall iam a student in the present GSOC
[20:34] <asac> for what purpose?
[20:35] <asac> ah
[20:35]  * Venus_Mars wondering what's your timezone
[20:35] <asac> Venus_Mars: so is the idea to add that to mozilla code base later?
[20:35] <asac> Berlin ;)
[20:36] <Venus_Mars> I guess so.
[20:36] <asac> Venus_Mars: probably code in the code base directly then
[20:36] <Venus_Mars> Good luck for the Sunday Match
[20:36] <asac> hehe
[20:36] <asac> victory
[20:36] <Venus_Mars> iam with Germany side letsee.
[20:37] <asac> i am quite sure that we will win
[20:37] <asac> not that we are good
[20:37] <asac> but spain wont win ;) ... they never win when its important
[20:37] <asac> while we usually win when its important :) ... even though if german suck ;)
[20:37] <Venus_Mars> But they have cleared the quarter finals
[20:38] <Venus_Mars> and that too on big bad luck day June 22nd
[20:38] <Venus_Mars> so fingers Crossed
[20:38] <Venus_Mars> :-)
[20:38] <asac> hehe
[20:39] <Venus_Mars> when I was searching on google for xulrunner+ package +ubuntu I was redirected to irclogs of this channel
[20:39] <fta> :)
[20:39] <Venus_Mars> and you were quite involved. Then I wondered if I could really contact asac
[20:40] <Venus_Mars> Magic
[20:40] <Venus_Mars> Google is Awesome
[20:51] <Venus_Mars> fta: where is the mozilla extensions directory in Ubuntu?
[20:51] <Venus_Mars> oops I mean components dir
[20:56] <fta> /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/components/
[21:14] <Venus_Mars> well it seem still the component is not registered
[21:14] <Venus_Mars> fta:
[21:16] <Venus_Mars> fta: are you around?
[22:11] <bimberi> asac: dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/xulrunner-1.9/DEBIAN/control' near line 7 package `xulrunner-1.9': `Conflicts' field, reference to `j2re1.4': error in version: nothing after colon in version number
[22:11] <bimberi> asac: retrying with << 1:0
[22:54] <Venus_Mars> ping asac
[23:15] <Venus_Mars> ping fta
[23:21] <bimberi> asac: It works with "Conflicts: j2re1.4 (<< 1:0)".  I've added more comments to bug 243469.  Please let me know if there's anything else I can do.  Cheers.