[00:17] I do not get what that zoom in/out thing in the upper left corner of kde4 desktop does, so I am staying with kde3 for now till I can figure it out (or turn it off). [00:17] hunger: switches activity spaces [00:18] daskreech: What is a activity space? I managed to create a new one and switch into it... how do I get out again? [00:18] hunger: No idea which build you are on so I can't advise. It's somethign they are coding in now so YMMV [00:19] daskreech: Actually I have three of those things at this time... I ended up in the second one and there is no zoom out thingy there:-( [00:19] Yeah It's fun to play with right now but I wouldn't rely on it. Use Desktops for now [00:20] daskreech: Well, activities seem not to handle windows at all, so they are nothing for me:-) [00:21] At least the windows do not get zoomed with the desktop background. [00:21] hunger: I'm not sure if they are meant to. I'll find out [00:25] daskreech: http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=817 explains this stuff... [00:28] * hunger can just forget about that activities stuff: It is for plasmoids what a desktop is for windows. [00:28] I do wonder how to turn of the top left cashews... [00:28] hunger: Currently install Suse [01:26] evening :) [01:32] morning :P [01:33] Jucato: guess what [01:33] what? [01:33] i'm a father... crazy isn't it... haven't had time to write up a post yet with picutes but working on it [01:36] wow!! [01:36] congrats!! [01:36] (sorry late reaction.. mom called) [01:36] no worries [01:37] baby boy.... named caleb.... its the coolest thing in the world [01:39] wow [01:39] nice name [01:39] jjesse: you get the book yet? [01:39] thanks [01:40] hi jjesse and Jucato btw :P [01:40] nixternal: yeah they showed up on my door while i was at hospital w/ wife [01:40] nixternal!!!!!!! [01:40] are you a proud pappa now? [01:40] yup [01:40] nixternal yeah i am [01:40] CONGRATS!!! [01:40] baby boy named caleb [01:40] post in the works w/ some pictures [01:40] that rocks man, I am glad for you guys [01:40] groovy name! [01:40] he's sleeping right now nixt to me [01:40] next [01:40] cool man, how is your wife doing? [01:40] doing good [01:41] sore and tired but doing well [01:41] great, that is awesome [01:41] labor was 36 hours [01:41] which sucked big time [01:41] holy smokes [01:41] tell me about it [01:41] my x-wife was in labor for 36 hours as well [01:41] that sucked big time [01:41] but the epidural (sp?) is the greatest inventotion ever [01:41] yes it is [01:41] god bless drugs [01:41] Heh, congrats [01:41] hahaha [01:41] thanks JontheEchidna [01:41] jjesse: I got a kick out of the epidural side effects [01:42] trying to catch up on three days worth of email/blogs/crapp [01:43] ya, I have been doing the same [01:43] busy doing other things? [01:43] hows work? [01:43] work is great, and busy [01:43] I just put in to become the Open Source Community Manager, so I hope I get that spot [01:44] a new position there? [01:45] ya [01:45] cool hope you get it [01:46] me too...I think I have a decent chance [01:46] I have been sitting in on the open source meetings and they have no clue how to run one [01:46] an open source community that is [01:46] ah [01:46] dang, I was gonna go out riding tonight but it doesn't look like the weather wants to cooperate [01:47] looks like storms [01:47] yay i won't ahve to wwater grass [01:47] hehe [01:47] we don't need any more water [01:58] ok i updated my kubuntu virtual machine earlier from the ppa and still having problems, was the next beta of 4.1 completly updated to the ppa? [01:58] still having issues with kdebase-workspace-data [02:01] jjesse: I don't think it was complete...I am only having issues with 2 libs [02:01] kexi and dcraw [02:02] kexi? [02:02] nixternal: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23406 [02:02] * Jucato wonders if nixternal meant kexiv :) [02:03] evening [02:07] jjesse: ya, I had that too [02:07] nothing that dpkg --force-overwrite couldn't fix [02:07] sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa7_all.deb [02:10] perfect thanks [02:11] bah cubs [02:11] they let the white sox beat um today [02:11] tigers are winning again [02:13] yay thunderstorms [02:13] we haven't had anything yet, and doesn't look like we will any time soon...I should have gone out riding [02:52] wow just finished the update and what is the cool background before teh desktop finishes loading? [02:53] !info quote [02:53] Package quote does not exist in hardy [02:53] o.O [02:54] jjesse: ya, I noticed that background too [02:54] I like it [02:54] where can i find it? [02:55] locate the splash theme, it should be in there [02:56] has anyone used quote ? [02:56] jjesse: /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/1280x1024/background.png [02:56] they have other sizes if you go to just the Default directory [02:57] cool thanks [03:00] !info virtualbox-ose intrepid [03:00] virtualbox-ose (source: virtualbox-ose): x86 virtualization solution - binaries. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.2-dfsg-1ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 6558 kB, installed size 21040 kB [03:01] Hmm [03:04] well, the latest alternative CD for Intrepid does not work [03:04] !doesn'twork | nixternal [03:04] Sorry, I don't know anything about doesn'twork [03:05] !doesn't work | nixternal [03:05] nixternal: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too. [03:05] yes, it does all of that [03:05] where are the images [03:05] so it doesn't work! [03:05] lol [03:06] :P [03:06] now I get a blinking red screen [03:06] chalk that up to "Beta 1 no good thus far" :P [03:06] :( [03:06] We are up to betas? [03:06] Oh KDE4 beta. Duh [03:06] we were supposed to release like hours ago [03:06] no, Intrepid [03:07] ah ok haven't been paying attention [03:07] * nixternal needs a working KDE 4 dangit! [03:07] I would use KDE 3 if Compiz would work worth a darn...I have gotten used to the flash in KDE 4 that I want it when I use KDE 3 [03:08] I went by the class for the Govt today and they were teaching them all on KDE [03:09] some "lucky ones" got KDE4 [03:09] nice [03:09] damn kde4... making us used to all this eyecandy [03:09] yup :) [03:10] Heh, reminds me of the compiz-in-hardy spec at LP [03:10] and sweet slick functionality [03:10] "User is amazed at wobbliness" [03:10] DaskreecH: you pinged some days ago..? [03:10] ya, well that made it into Ubuntu just fine, but not in Kubuntu [03:11] I get freezes, loss of borders, crashes, and you name it when I try Compiz with KDE 3 [03:11] Tell me about it [03:11] at first with the Intel lappy I thought I was golden, then all hell broke loose [03:11] I tried running it in gutsy and got at least a crash a day [03:11] if not more [03:11] I will admit, I have become addicted to one utility in Gnome [03:11] Gnome-Do...good stuff [03:12] Evolution is doodoo, their terminal at least has true transparency, but nothing rocks like yakuake [03:12] Krunner not good enough for our gnomternal? :( [03:12] metellius: Right you are working within GSoC ? [03:12] Ooh, they ported the move-plasmoids-in-panel patch to KDE 4.1 [03:12] DaskreecH: nope, just coding on my free time [03:12] ah right. [03:13] on what? :) [03:13] I've forgotten what I pung you on [03:13] the ark ui changes? [03:13] JontheEchidna: link? [03:13] metellius: Ah right Are you going to be expanding on those? [03:13] http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/rpms/kdebase-workspace/devel/kdebase-workspace-4.0.83-kde%23154119.patch?rev=1.1&view=markup [03:14] Or you have pretty much accomplished what you set out for? [03:14] what do you mean by expanding? [03:14] oh [03:15] yeah, I pretty much did what I blogged about, but since I've actually gotten to know the ark code a bit now I'm playing around fixing other small annoying incomplete things and requests from the blog comments [03:19] Any konqui/ dolphin Plugins ? [03:20] the majority of ark's interface is a kpart [03:21] I heard that ark didn't have the necessary features for a dolphin/konqi service menu [03:22] JontheEchidna: you heard? [03:22] Yeah, in an lp bug report [03:22] service menus control stuff through shell commands right? [03:23] Yeah [03:24] well then, yes that seems to be correct, the ark main executable does not take arguments other than the archive file [03:24] not hard to fix though... [03:41] Can't really think of much to push around with ark :) [03:45] seele: You got likker! [03:49] Am I nuts or is there no user management in system settings? [04:09] JontheEchidna: KDE 4.1 ? [04:13] :-) [04:13] That's what you get for installing the system by hand === kewark is now known as krawek [08:01] hello, can anyone confirm whether https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdeutils/+bug/129729 is still in there? for kde4 at least? [08:01] Launchpad bug 129729 in unrar-free "ark can't extract password protected rar archives" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:02] though I'm pretty sure it's still in there.. [09:18] 'morning [09:26] looks like a lot of ark's code was rewritten for kde4.. currently a support for password protected files is missing === hunger_t is now known as hunger [11:57] hi [11:57] could it be that some kde4.0 plasmoids dont run under 4.1? [11:59] Xand3r: which ones? [12:01] Nightrose: coremoid http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/CoreMoid?content=72789 [12:02] Xand3r: no idea about that one [12:02] never used it [12:02] ok [12:08] Xand3r, that's because the whole plasma api got changed [12:08] teprrr: ok, thx, i will inform the devel of this plasmoid [12:13] apachelogger: now i have some time, if you are there, can you give me some stuff, for training my cdbs knowleg? [12:14] solid-network(2048)/Solid (NetworkManager) NMNetworkManagerPrivate::fillNetworkInterfacesList: Error getting device list: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied" : "A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" member "getDevices" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager") [12:15] btw, is this a kubuntu packaging problem or something else? perhaps caused by the fact that I compile my kde stuff myself? [12:20] teprrr: where i can finde the source? [12:20] Xand3r, source of what? [12:20] i thought you compile it [12:21] so i want to try it to [12:21] Xand3r, ye, it's inside kde svn [12:21] kdebase/workspace/solid/solidshell/ to be precise [12:21] ok i will try it [12:22] i inform you if i have the same problem [12:28] ok i have other problems^^ [12:28] sorry [12:40] ok :p [12:51] hello [12:52] hello [12:52] i'm trying to make a push with darcs and it doesn't works anymore, because of ssh i think [12:52] it used to work before.. at least before i upgraded to kde4 beta2 thingy.. [12:53] I doubt the desktop environment has anything to do with a version control system [12:53] perhaps ssh was upgraded to a newer package if i recall right... [12:55] where could i check to see if and when new packages where submited to repositorry? archives.ubuntu.com ? [12:56] found the sites.. [13:30] Riddell: I think I have kdepim-dev done [13:30] http://stdin.me.uk/tmp/kdepim_4.0.83-0ubuntu1_to_4.0.83-0ubuntu2.diff [13:32] needs a small patch to kde4libs to FindKdepim.cmake, but kopete-cryptography compiles with it [13:35] hi is any one working on kepas ? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kepas+-+KDE+Easy+Publish+and+Share?content=73968 [13:48] it allready exist [13:48] -.- === akonadi is now known as nihui [14:11] was it the 20080627 isos that were released as alpha 1 for intrepid? [14:20] mitsarionas: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/alpha-1/ [14:21] yeah, dling it already... just asking if it's the same as the latest daily iso :) [14:26] Riddell: have you some realy easy work for me? [14:39] hi Xand3r [14:39] mitsarionas: yes [14:42] :) is alpha 2 gonna be relesased according to the original schedule? [14:42] Xand3r: how about skanlite from ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.83/extragear [14:43] Xand3r: I expect so [14:43] mitsarionas: I expect so (not Xand3r) [14:43] :) [14:43] Xand3r: there is an existing package at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skanlite-kde4 you could probably use, drop the -kde4 from the name though [14:44] Riddell: how you finde the existing package on launchpad, if i search something i find nothing [14:51] Xand3r: google :) [14:51] lol [14:51] Riddell: skanlite are both version 0.1 [14:52] extragear apps don't always update their version :( [14:52] ? [14:52] so in the extragear is the new version but named wrong? [14:53] Xand3r: its versioned improperly yes [14:53] but in this case it doesn't matter since we don't have an existing skalite package (only skanlite-kde4) [14:54] but i have to leave out the -kde4 [14:57] yes [14:57] we don't do that any more for intrepid [14:58] ok, and version 4:4.0.80 [14:58] version 0.1 [14:59] ? [14:59] ok [14:59] or 0.1kde4.0.83 which is what upstream should have done [14:59] ok i take 0.1kde4.0.83 [15:05] the changelog http://paste.ubuntu.com/23517/ [15:13] Xand3r: looks good [15:13] Xand3r: the debian/cdbs directory will be out of date [15:13] replace it the a newer version from any intrepid kde package [15:14] ok [15:21] Riddell: kdf needs to conflict/replace kwikdisk in kdeutils [15:21] or, kwikdisk-kde4 anyway [15:27] Xand3r: once you are done with the KDE 4 stuff ... rubberband can be packaged now <- https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vamp-plugin-sdk/ [15:28] urg === {toma} is now known as toma [15:43] lintian of the result gives this back http://paste.ubuntu.com/23527/ [15:44] Xand3r: it shouldn't be installing into usr/lib/kde4, you must still have the old debian/cdbs files [15:46] ok === {toma} is now known as toma [15:57] shit i got from the "new" package the old cdbs folder [15:59] where i can get a realy new cdbs folder [16:00] Xand3r: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs [16:00] thx apachelogger [16:12] apachelogger: i see it now after the compiling -.- the kde.mk from the kdepimlibs uses althought /usr/lib/kde4 [16:13] Xand3r: please paste the debian/rules file [16:14] #!/usr/bin/make -f [16:14] include debian/cdbs/kde.mk [16:14] which version of kdepimlibs? [16:14] the orignal cdbs folder includes a cmake.mk and a kde.mk [16:14] Riddell: 4:4.0.83 [16:15] i think [16:16] Oo [16:17] the new cdbs/ doesn't include a cmake.mk IIRC [16:17] jes [16:17] me@apoc { ~/tmp/kdepimlibs-4.0.83/debian/cdbs }$ ls [16:17] control.mk dh_sameversiondeps kde.mk versions.mk [16:18] Xand3r: remove the old cdbs completely, then add the new one [16:18] ? [16:19] ok if you want taht [16:19] *that [16:19] Xand3r: you need to get rid of all the old files [16:21] apachelogger: compiling only runs if i uncomment : [16:21] ifndef THIS_SHOULD_GO_TO_UNSTABLE [16:21] #guard against experimental uploads to unstable [16:21] dpkg-parsechangelog | grep ^Distribution | grep -q 'experimental\|UNRELEASED' [16:21] endif [16:22] you can add THIS_SHOULD_GO_TO_UNSTABLE = 1 in debian/rules above the include line [16:22] kk [16:22] thx [16:22] * apachelogger now has a 204 GiB /home parition [16:22] LVM++ [16:22] ^^ [16:23] though, I still need SSDs [16:23] Riddell: btw, can we drop the .kde4 patch in intrepid? [16:24] apachelogger: yes, we should do that before alpha 2 [16:25] * apachelogger takes a knote [16:28] urg skanlite has no man page [16:32] how could it be that ther is a finished package without an manpage? [16:35] Xand3r: saved time when creating the package [16:36] ^^ [16:36] besides, most -kde4 packages are going to replace/merged into kde 3 based packages ... which have a manpage ... so to prevent manpage collision and useless duplication we just didn't add manpages for kde4 packages [16:37] i crating one now [16:37] dont tell me it was use less [16:38] Xand3r: there is no kde3 version of skanlite, so, no, it was not useless [16:38] meh [16:38] missing deps again [16:38] * apachelogger hates when that happens [16:39] i have missed the deps? [16:39] not you [16:39] debian [16:42] puh^^ [16:42] hey, our Kubuntu KDE 4 Beta 2 packages installed fresh totally rock! great job stdin! [16:43] * nixternal can't wait for Kontact/KMail to be complete [16:43] toma: how good is the latest Mailody btw? Can I use it on my work lappy w/o any major hassels? [16:44] nixternal: probably not [16:44] dang :) I was really hoping to get away from Evolution [16:44] nixternal: although a lot of issues are resolved lately, i doubt you will be happy with it [16:44] I really don't feel like setting up Mutt from scratch again [16:45] try it for a bit and you will know [16:45] ya, I will put together a package today and upload it to the PPA and give it a shot [16:45] it will not eat your mail or anything [16:46] instead it will eat your whole laptop [16:46] mmmm laptop [16:46] hehe [16:46] gobble gobble [16:48] toma: real quick, would you recommend the alpha download or just a svn checkout to put a package together? [16:48] nixternal: trunk is best [16:49] i should check it out and make a beta of it [16:49] i'm just to lazy (read: demotivated) [16:49] hehe, I hear you there [16:49] I am getting my motivation back though :) [16:49] I have been so busy with real life work [16:50] good, what's the recipe for that? [16:50] broken stuff that annoys me :) [16:50] right, i'm good at ignoring that for now [16:50] lol [16:51] * Nightrose gives toma a flower for good meassure [16:51] ;-) [16:51] ;-) [16:52] i will change http://paste.ubuntu.com/23538/ to http://paste.ubuntu.com/23539/ [16:52] what do you think about? [16:53] Xand3r: good [16:54] kk [16:57] * apachelogger is wondering how to fix that properly [16:57] wow hardly anyone in the alpha1 kunbutuntu torrent [16:58] it is up un revu [16:59] i get headaches, when i think about the time i needed to build this package [17:04] Xand3r: please create a debdiff [17:04] easier to revu [17:05] apachelogger: debdiff? [17:05] how i do that? [17:05] Xand3r: see ubuntu wiki [17:05] ne pas de envie [17:06] apachelogger: i have no deb of the old version [17:06] you don't need a deb [17:07] Xand3r: debdiff OLDDSC NEWDSC > deb.diff [17:08] kk, if you had let me some time i had found it [17:10] well, it wouldn't have been worth the time :P [17:11] ^^ [17:11] emm how i load it on revu? [17:12] or i only paste it in a paste bin? [17:12] paste [17:12] kk [17:14] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23541/ [17:15] Xand3r: you need to provide a transitional package from skanlite-kde4 to skanlite [17:16] Xand3r: please document the binary package name change, the introducation of the transitional package and the bump of standards-version in the changelog [17:17] Xand3r: and the source packag name change [17:18] looks good otherwise [17:22] apachelogger: how i document the bump of ther version? [17:23] Xand3r: * Bump Standards-Version from xxx to xxx [17:23] thx [17:24] * smarter waves [17:24] hi [17:24] the new changelog http://paste.ubuntu.com/23543/ [17:25] Xand3r: transitional package!!! :P [17:25] otherwise ok [17:26] apachelogger: * This is a Transitional Package ?? [17:26] nah [17:26] Xand3r: add transitional package [17:26] not? [17:27] you need to add an empty package named skanlite-kde4 [17:27] which depends on skanlite [17:27] hä? [17:27] -.- [17:27] ok [17:27] but wait [17:30] Xand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23544/ [17:30] the functionallity of kicker-khalkhi was provided by kicker-contactsmenu before [17:31] so we want to make it as easy as possible for the user to get the package with new name but same feature [17:32] ok [17:32] so the khalkhiapplet source package generates the kicker-contactsmenu binary package and supercedes the original kicker-contactsmenu [17:32] k-c is actually an empty package depending on k-k [17:33] ok [17:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/23546/ [17:33] * txwikinger loves those bugs complaining about firefox theme in KDE3 [17:33] txwikinger: ? [17:34] Well.. do you really think the default theme for KDE3 will be changed? [17:34] only because someone claims it looks ugly [17:35] ah, center-of-the-universe-thinking [17:35] yep [17:35] I was still very nice in responding :D [17:39] :D [17:40] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kdebase/kdebase_4.0.83-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.debdiff [17:41] apachelogger: the new control http://paste.ubuntu.com/23551/ [17:41] but what to do after i dont got [17:42] Xand3r: pardon? [17:42] Xand3r: btw, you should add a long description ;-) [17:42] just use the one from the kahlkhi stuff and make it fit skanlite [17:43] is that all to build a empty package? [17:43] Xand3r: you need to add a skanlite.install [17:43] to ensure skanlite is not empty ;-) [17:44]