[03:27] <ruiboon> hi i have been having some problems in using the email interface of launchpad. replies to bugmail/answermail does not update the lp pages
[03:27] <cody-somerville> ruiboon, are your e-mails signed?
[03:28] <ruiboon> cody-somerville: yes
[03:28] <cody-somerville> is your gpg key uploaded to launchpad?
[03:29] <ruiboon> gpg key is uploaded to lp. i am able to push to bzr branches, so i dont think it is key issues
[03:29] <wgrant> ruiboon: You don't get any error emails returned from LP?
[03:29] <ruiboon> (sorry abt that, bzr uses ssh key and not pgp)
[03:30] <ruiboon> wgrant: i have not received any emails (errors or not) from LP. they are not in my junk folder either
[03:32] <wgrant> ruiboon: I believe somebody else has been having similar problems, and LP folks haven't been able to explain it yet...
[03:33] <ruiboon> wgrant: i see.. i guess that i am not the only one
[05:14] <whs> PPA told me: 
[05:14] <whs> The source usplash-theme-clubuntu - 0.18ubuntu1 is already accepted in ubuntu/hardy and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to modify the source version and re-upload. but I cannot find the package anywhere else
[05:16] <Hobbsee> whs: what is your launcphad ID?
[05:16] <whs> Hobbsee# whs
[05:18] <Hobbsee> whs: it's because you've uploaded it before, even though it's clearly been delete.d
[05:18] <whs> Hobbsee# thank you.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> cprov: why is this happening now?  Shouldn't deleting it one month and 17 days ago be enough?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> (it's showing up in https://edge.launchpad.net/~whs/+archive?field.name_filter=usplash&field.status_filter=any )
[05:42] <whs> it show Specification is now considered "Started". when I change blueprint implementation from Unknown to Beta Available 
[10:27] <kiko-zzz> Hobbsee, wgrant: thanks for helping report the timeout oopses yesterday, we figured out what it was and nailed it overnight.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: you're welcome.  what was it?
[10:28] <kiko-zzz> Hobbsee, 40M rows in the session table, created by robots who don't use cookies and never visit us again!
[10:28] <wgrant> Hahah.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: tasty...
[10:28] <kiko-zzz> I wonder how many rows remain there
[10:28]  * kiko-zzz can't query the prod db anymore
[10:29] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: Is that why I was getting OOPSes regularly last week which were errors with SQL requests timing out while verifying my cookie?
[10:30] <kiko-zzz> wgrant, last week? wow, yes. our OOPS reports simply ignored the session DB before -- not sure why even.
[10:30] <kiko-zzz> I wish we had picked this up before, deleting those rows was not easy
[10:30] <kiko-zzz> had to make a script to delete them in 100K batches as deleting them all at once blew up the DB
[10:30] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: Might have even been a couple of weeks ago. I was only able to confirm that it was that issue on one day, so other days could have had a similar issue...
[10:31] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: Wouldn't the Rosetta string tables have even more immense rowcounts?
[10:31] <kiko-zzz> wgrant, yeah, but we don't try deleting from those tables during web requests
[10:32] <wgrant> True.
[10:33] <wgrant> So it creates a session even if you're not logged in?
[10:35] <kiko-zzz> yes, I believe in order to know what to do when you log in, but I'm not sure
[10:53] <cprov> Hobbsee: no, we already discussed that before, versions are blacklisted for ever in ubuntu and PPAs.
[10:54] <Hobbsee> cprov: ah, sensible, although that will probably confuse people.  when did that take place?
[10:54] <cprov> Hobbsee: 1 year ago
[10:56] <cprov> we could be less fascist and only blacklist source that had binaries, but I failed to see major benefits on that.
[10:56] <Hobbsee> right, so people are just under the delusion that they can delete things, then use the same version number.
[10:57] <cprov> Hobbsee: yes, and that's mentioned in the help for +delete-packages.
[10:58] <wgrant> cprov: The help tab is history.
[10:58] <wgrant> So the comment on that page is buggy.
[10:58] <wgrant> And that page is in trouble in general.
[11:00] <wgrant> I would hope that adding further documentation to that page would be RC.
[11:01] <Hobbsee> wgrant: RC?
[11:02] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Release-critical. Same as anywhere else.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> oh
[11:03]  * Hobbsee thought it might have some special launchpad definition
[11:03] <wgrant> Oh, it does, I'm sure. But the expansion and general meaning is (I believe) the same.
[11:06] <cprov> wgrant: mpt is aware of it and it will be fixed soon (pretty vague, I know, but ...)
[11:07] <wgrant> cprov: 1.2.6 or not?
[11:08] <cprov> wgrant: I can't tell precisely, sorry :(
[11:09] <kiko-zzz> heh
[11:10] <cprov> kiko-zzz: can you ?
[11:11] <wgrant> Releasing with that page importantly referencing a nonexistent feature of itself seems a little bad.
[11:11] <kiko-zzz> cprov, what's the question?
[11:12] <cprov> kiko-zzz: when will the help-tabs be fixed ?
[11:13] <kiko-zzz> cprov, what help tabs?
[11:13] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: Exactly.
[11:13] <cprov> :)
[11:14] <kiko-zzz> oh, you wanna know where that will be rendered?
[11:14] <kiko-zzz> well that's a damned good question
[11:14] <kiko-zzz> there is JS for this:
[11:14] <kiko-zzz>             src="https://edge.launchpad.net/+icing/rev6536/inlinehelp.js"></script>
[11:14] <kiko-zzz> but WTF.
[11:15] <kiko-zzz> well if it's not fixed monday it will be fixed right after that
[11:16] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: There is a Soyuz page that depends on it, and it's confusing users as is... Having no possibility for users to see it is likely to be even worse...
[11:16] <cprov> I personally don't mind about where they will be presented, I'm more concerned about *when* they will be available again, but yes I will be fixed by Monday anyway.
[11:17] <kiko-zzz> cprov, wgrant: be sure to help ensure mpt clarifies this on monday! I won't be here so I need your help.
[11:18] <cprov> kiko-zzz: ok, I will.
[12:01] <psyhhix_> hy everyone
[12:01] <wgrant> Hi psyhhix_.
[12:02] <kiko-zzz> hey psyhhix_ 
[12:02] <psyhhix_> bazaar.launchpad.net seems to be down and i cant find "easy-drm-modules-installer" anywhere
[12:02] <psyhhix_> can u help me out?
[12:02] <kiko-zzz> down? man, we need to knock loggerhead on the head really hard.
[12:02] <wgrant> Is the new LH being rolled out with 1.2.6?
[12:03] <wgrant> I hear it actually works.
[12:03] <kiko-zzz> well, it would work if it didn't exhaust file descriptors on the server!!!
[12:03] <kiko-zzz> we're working on a fix for it but it might have to be rolled out later in the week
[12:04] <laga> increase the number of file descriptors?
[12:04] <kiko-zzz> laga, and postpone the inevitable!
[12:04] <laga> yes!
[12:04] <laga> :)
[12:04] <wgrant> Nasty problem.
[12:05] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: You're not doing a very good job of sleeping, I have to say.
[12:05] <kiko-zzz> mwh has a solution but doesn't know if it'll cause other problems...
[12:05] <kiko> I give up
[12:06] <kiko> I wake up at 5:30 and try and go back to sleep but fail
[12:06] <laga> nasty.
[12:06] <wgrant> Ow.
[12:06] <kiko> it's like that every day!!
[12:07] <laga> well, when do you go to bed? 8pm? ;)
[12:08] <kiko> like 10pm
[12:08] <laga> 7.5h. works for me. :)
[12:08] <kiko> I should sleep 8.5 at least. my memory is failing me.
[12:12] <qense> is there a way to create a link that points always the latest revision of a file in a bzr repo?
[12:13] <kiko> psyhhix, bazaar.launchpad.net should be back. I wanna kick LH in the nuts.
[12:14] <kiko> qense, what sort of link?
[12:14] <qense> e.g you've got the file test.py in the repo lp:test of the project with the name test
[12:14] <qense> how do you link to the latest rev of test.py?
[12:14] <kiko> qense, symlink, hardlink, URL..?
[12:14] <qense> without having to update the link every time someone commits
[12:14] <qense> URL
[12:15] <kiko> hmmm
[12:15] <kiko> qense, how about using bazaar.launchpad.net for that?
[12:15]  * kiko chuckles at the irony
[12:15] <qense> I could only find a way to link to the file in a certain revision
[12:16] <wgrant> It's actually not possible with LH, AFAICR.
[12:16] <kiko> yeah
[12:16] <kiko> you can do it indirectly by fetching a link from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~joostvb/mailman/pgp-smime/files
[12:16] <kiko> but tbh
[12:17] <kiko> it's such an easy thing to fix you should file a bug on it and remind us of it frequently
[12:17] <kiko> i.e. just provide a redirect from files/BUGS to whatever revision it has
[12:17] <qense> ok, I'll do that
[13:11] <twcook> attempting to add a mirror for http://www.openehr.org/svn/ref_impl_python/TRUNK it fails saying it's not a branch. What am I missing?
[13:18] <kiko> twcook, you want a code import for SVN, not a mirror
[13:19] <kiko> twcook, https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImports
[13:19] <twcook> well, I really wanted to mirror my SVN 
[13:20] <twcook> Ok, I also submitted a request for import and it's pending review so I'll wait for that
[13:20] <twcook> reading the help though I thought that I cannot convert an import to a mirror so what's the point of the mirror option?
[13:28] <kiko> twcook, it's for mirroring existing bzr branches. you don't want that. :)
[13:28] <twcook> ahhhhhh, tnx for the clarification 
[13:29] <kiko> enjoy!
[13:43] <Hobbsee> why does https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdepim/4:3.5.9-0ubuntu3 show me hardy builds?  i asked for the intrepid version, as indicated by the URL.
[13:44] <kiko> wow
[13:44] <kiko> hardy version? where?
[13:44]  * Hobbsee scratches head in confusement.
[13:44] <Hobbsee> left hand portlet?
[13:44] <kiko> oh, the builds
[13:44] <Hobbsee> builds portlet.
[13:44] <kiko> it's because it was built on hardy
[13:44] <Hobbsee> yes.
[13:45] <Hobbsee> it was also built on intrepid.
[13:45] <kiko> and just forwarded or synced to intrepid
[13:45] <Hobbsee> well, okay
[13:45] <kiko> are you sure?
[13:45] <kiko> I think it wasn't
[13:45] <kiko> a version is only built once
[13:45] <Hobbsee> actually, it would have been forwarded.
[13:45] <kiko> in the repo
[13:45] <Hobbsee> but i should still have been able to access the binaries without manual url's.
[13:46] <kiko> but it is
[13:46] <Hobbsee> oh, it's probably the same anyway.
[13:46] <kiko> click on the build and expand the resulting binaries
[13:46] <kiko> it /has/ to be the same by definition :)
[13:46] <kiko> the paths in the pool are the same 
[13:46] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[13:46] <Hobbsee> oy, apt!  please go fishing.
[15:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[15:30] <mpt> cprov, when what will be available again?
[15:30] <Hobbsee> hey mpt!
[16:15] <Hobbsee> elmo: is there any chance we can get some sort of spam filter running on the @lists.ubuntu.com mailing lists?
[16:16] <Hobbsee> a whole lot of this is obvious spam...
[18:30] <whs> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/update-manager/+pots/update-manager/th/+translate doesn't look like LP
[20:41] <twcook> I realize that these are probably volunteer positions but just how long does it take to get a translation file reviewed and posted?
[20:41] <twcook> also a code import from SVN?
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