[01:07] <kwwii> g'night
[20:33] <tretle> hi, I just installed the new dark ubuntu intrepid theme on hardy to test it out and I have a few requests
[20:36] <tretle> If you could use gilouche as the window border it looks a lot better, if you could modify the window file,edit,view bar so that it is part of the window border that would look really slick.. Also could you change the notification bar icons for the network manager and sound control icons are high contrast white - similar to osx's icons. In my personal opinion both icons are too grey and high resolution. Other than those points I really like t
[20:36] <tretle> he new theme.
[22:49] <pwnguin> tretle: perhaps some screenshots and callouts to make your point?
[22:53] <tretle> hmmm......... I will try and find appropriate icons for network manager and volume control but I wont be able to make a screenshot of the windowmanager hack because I am no good at mockups I am afraid
[22:53] <pwnguin> nothing like practice to get better at it ;)
[22:54] <pwnguin> but theres a huge problem with your suggestion
[22:54] <pwnguin> file edit and view are off limits
[22:55] <tretle> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Network+applet+icons?content=75198
[22:55] <tretle> pwnguin - what do you mean off limits?
[22:56] <pwnguin> i mean each application is free to have one or not
[22:56] <tretle> the link above is an example of what I mean by hight contrast low res icons for the task bar
[22:56] <pwnguin> and free to implement it differently
[22:57] <pwnguin> the window border is handled by the window manager, File,Edit,View menu is handled by the application
[22:57] <tretle> pwnguin - I dont want to get rid of it, I want it to be merged into the window manager so that the window manager is slightly fatter but it will make the app look  a hell of a lot better
[22:57] <pwnguin> moving that functionality is not trivial
[22:58] <pwnguin> and probably not the kind of work Ubuntu should be doing without consulting the rest of the linux community
[22:58] <tretle> sorry
[22:58] <tretle> I meant window border
[22:59] <tretle> tired :D
[23:01] <pwnguin> like i said, the window border is painted by a different program
[23:02] <pwnguin> so for every application, youd have to change it and test to make sure it works
[23:03] <pwnguin> but the high contrast icon is interesting
[23:06] <pwnguin> tretle: when you say the icons are too "high resolution"
[23:06] <pwnguin> how is that a problem?
[23:10] <tretle> notification bar looks nicer and cleaner with simple icons...
[23:10] <pwnguin> if the icons moved to svg
[23:11] <pwnguin> would the high resolution stop looking clean or simple?
[23:11] <tretle> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Network+applet+icons?content=75198
[23:11] <tretle> that is what I mean by low res
[23:12] <pwnguin> well, the sound icon does look a little fuzzy ;)
[23:13] <pwnguin> but i dont think 'high resolution' and 'simple' have to conflict
[23:14] <pwnguin> fewer colors and fewer shapes at higher resolutions still counts as simple in my book
[23:23] <tretle> so do you prefer the style we have now or the style in that link?
[23:34] <pwnguin> i dont know
[23:34] <pwnguin> at this precise moment, my laptop doesn't boot into high resolution mode
[23:35] <pwnguin> in intrepid
[23:35] <pwnguin> I worry that the specific icons you picked out may tread too close to derivative works
[23:35] <pwnguin> but i'm not against the monocolor idea at the moment
[23:39] <DanaG> Aah, if it's nvidia... that'd be why there's no native-res.
[23:45] <pwnguin> yea
[23:45] <pwnguin> im aware of it, i just havent done anything about it yet
[23:53] <tretle> picking up an ati card next week to replace my nvidia binary blob :D
[23:53] <tretle> http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshoton5.png
[23:53] <tretle> thats the new dark theme + gilouche window border by the way