[03:03] <spasticteapot> I have a rather thorny problem: I would like to install Xubuntu on a machine with 192mb of RAM and a sketchy CD-ROM drive.
[03:03] <spasticteapot> Is there a way to boot the "Alternate Install" CD off of a pen drive?
[03:04] <th0r> spasticteapot, only if your computer bios supports booting off a pen drive
[03:05] <spasticteapot> th0r: This may be a problem - it's a bit long in the tooth.
[03:05] <th0r> yup...kinda figured that
[03:05] <th0r> I have a similar laptop and just gave in and put xp on it....it seems to run better on limited resources
[03:06] <spasticteapot> th0r: I severely doubt that.
[03:07] <spasticteapot> Once you start removing unnecessary ram-hogs like Evolution and Firefox, Xubuntu is far better.
[03:07] <th0r> it just runs my website....doesn't have to do much. The pcmcia slot is fried, so I have to use usb for wifi, and the wifi dongle I have ubuntu didn't recognize
[03:07] <spasticteapot> And there's always AntiX
[03:07] <spasticteapot> th0r: You run a server...on WinXP?
[03:07] <spasticteapot> o0
[03:07] <th0r> yup....xp pro
[03:08] <th0r> use abyss for the web server software....absolutely hate iis
[03:08] <spasticteapot> I've never had an XP box that didn't crash on a regular basis.
[03:08] <spasticteapot> Or end up full of spyware.
[03:08] <th0r> would much prefer ubuntu...but for the wifi. I really should just dump the box and buy another.
[03:08] <j1mc> th0r: you could try the minimal install cd
[03:09] <spasticteapot> th0r: Are you using 8.04?
[03:09] <th0r> jlmc, I got ubuntu installed OK, but it wouldn't recognize the wifi, so I went back to xp on that box. This is my main machine, and it is on hardy
[03:09] <th0r> spasticteapot, yeah...this one is 8.04
[03:09] <spasticteapot> Even my Linksys WUSB11 adapter - which was until recently unusable with any linux distro - works under 8.04.
[03:10] <th0r> spasticteapot, agreed for the most part. This one uses an atheros chipset for wifi and worked out of the box, but the other one gave me problems and it just wasn't worth messing with
[03:11] <spasticteapot> th0r: You do realize that wifi adapters cost about $7 nowadays?
[03:11] <th0r> especially for a website no one but me visits <smile>
[03:11] <th0r> spasticteapot, a fried pcmcia and a usb1.1 slot....not worth $7 <smile>
[03:12] <spasticteapot> th0r: Bah. Send it to me if you don't want it.
[03:13] <th0r> spasticteapot, like I said...I hate to throw it away. It runs fine as is...sits in a corner and runs the little personal website I tinker with
[03:13] <spasticteapot> I'll offer you...$8 for it!
[03:14] <spasticteapot> :P
[03:14] <th0r> if I sold it, I would have to depend on the internet for entertainment instead of my own network <smile>
[03:14] <spasticteapot> You can get old PCs on Craigslist for $20.
[03:15] <th0r> spasticteapot, I am a laptop fan. I have three running here right now. I am into one via rdp that is encrypting a usb drive with truecrypt, I am watching hulu and talking here and on #ubuntu here...and the third laptop is running the website
[03:16] <th0r> six years living on a boat, and now an rv....don't have room for a pc <smile>
[03:17] <spasticteapot> You lived on a boat???
[03:17] <th0r> yup..a 28' sloop. Sailed it single-handed for six years (well...I have the dog but he refuses to help)
[03:19] <spasticteapot> And you're on land now?
[03:19] <spasticteapot> Hmm.
[03:19] <th0r> yup. Working as a net admin for a small wireless isp. money didn't last forever <smile>
[03:19] <spasticteapot> :(
[03:20] <spasticteapot> So, how do you connect to the internets?
[03:20] <th0r> spasticteapot, that's ok though...I had a great six years
[03:20] <th0r> I have a motorola canopy, 5.7GHz radio. that links to our equipment on one of the water towers in the area. I live about 20 miles outside of Dallas, Texas
[03:23] <th0r> does anyone here use fusesmb? I have it autostarting and while it finds the network drives and maps them OK, it won't let me into them. I have to unmount and remount fusesmb to get it to work
[04:04] <mrwislr> hello everyone
[04:04] <mrwislr> anyone alive?
[04:05] <spasticteapot> Possibly.
[04:05] <mrwislr> i am having a strange problem with xubuntu and firefox
[04:06] <mrwislr> when i click on links to download some files "mostly document files"   it only gives me the option to save file or cancel no option to open with
[04:06] <mrwislr> i have installed gnome-firefox-support   that was suggested but that didn't do anything
[04:07] <mrwislr> all the helper applications seems to be in place properly
[04:07] <mrwislr> so i'm not sure what the deal is
[09:05] <Lukipela> So, i installed Xubuntu.. but it only uses about 3/4 of my laptop screen, i have huge black lines around the side, is there a solution for this.. ?
[09:05]  * Lukipela dance
[09:10] <Lukipela> One would think there would be community support at this time of night, where are the bigger nerds when i need them?!
[10:12] <mnemoc> hi, how can one get the translations for "Applications" and "Places" from command line?
[10:35] <mnemoc> found
[10:35] <mnemoc> thanks ,-)
[12:36] <xubuntuuser> How can you edit the system menu?
[12:56] <jarnos> Anybody have used removable drives that have several partitions with Xubuntu?
[13:02] <jarnos> I mean is there anyone online that has experience in using removable drives that have many partitions by Xubuntu.
[13:15] <jarnos> I am wondering, if you see several items in Thunar and what happens, if you try to eject one.
[14:58] <Mat-Cauthon> hey.. can somebody help me with a problem concerning mediakeys? ﻿i've used settings -> settings manager -> keyboard | shortcuts to add commands for my mute, decrease and increase volume keys
[14:59] <Mat-Cauthon> however when i recorded the shortcut it did register that a key was pressed, but it showed as an empty field in the shortcut column
[14:59] <Mat-Cauthon> at the time a added the second shortcut it gave me a message that the key was already bound (although i was using a different mediakey)
[15:00] <Mat-Cauthon> i confirmed anyways and had 3 entries with an "empty" shortcut assigned to them
[15:00] <Mat-Cauthon> well, they did actually work to some degree, except that the volume up button responded only every once in a while
[15:01] <Mat-Cauthon> so i deleted those shortcuts and wanted to do the mapping using xev and xmodmap
[15:01] <Mat-Cauthon> but for some reason those bindings still seem to be in place :-s
[15:02] <Mat-Cauthon> although i've deleted them in the keyboard settings gui
[15:04] <Mat-Cauthon> in xev i get a FocusOut, FocusIn and KeymapNotify event
[15:04] <Mat-Cauthon> when pressing any of those 3
[15:07] <Mat-Cauthon> uh.. nobody here or just nobody here who can help me? ^^
[15:13] <Riotta> hmm
[15:13] <Riotta> what keyboard Mat-Cauthon ?
[15:17] <Mat-Cauthon> well, the internal one on my dell xps m170
[15:26] <Jonny0stars> Hello
[15:27] <Jonny0stars> not exactly a xubutu specific question but its too busy in #ubuntu
[15:28] <Jonny0stars> is there anyway to force apt-get to install a specific version of a package
[15:28] <Jonny0stars> i cant build eeepc kernel headers because a package is to new
[15:29] <Jonny0stars> http://pastebin.com/d40eb57e6
[16:10] <Mat-Cauthon> can somebody tell me where the shortcuts created using the xcfe settings manager -> keyboard settings GUI are saved?
[16:10] <Mat-Cauthon> xfce*
[16:29] <fufumimi> hi, what's the difference between desktop and alternate cd?
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> fufumimi: the alternaitve cd is text-mode only. the desktop cd is a live desktop environment
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> !alternative
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> !LiveCD
[16:32] <fufumimi> which is recommended?
[16:33] <Odd-rationale> fufumimi: well, what are you trying to install on? the alternative cd needs less ram. so if you have < 400 mb, use the alt cd
[16:34] <Odd-rationale> also the alt cd has more options, like full disk encryption.
[16:34] <Odd-rationale> but the desktop cd has a live xubuntu desktop on it.
[16:35] <fufumimi> erm i got 1.2g ram on the laptop..and i dont need encryption.. so i guess i will take desktop instead
[16:35] <fufumimi> i guess if i can install ubuntu on the laptop fine..xubuntu should work too
[16:36] <Odd-rationale> fufumimi: correct. just faster... :P
[16:36] <fufumimi> yup..i just tried ubuntu..sluggish..but nicer than windows
[16:37] <Odd-rationale> fufumimi: well, did you have compiz on? that usually slow things down considerably.
[16:37] <fufumimi> i guess so but still its sluggish...and it installs stuff that i dont need..lol
[17:13] <PathagenX> Hey. I apt'd the latest xfce and it ?messed around with the gamma for gtk2? i purged xfce but the weird settings remained.
[17:13] <PathagenX> any ideas on causes/solutions?
[17:15] <gopp> hi how do I get wifi via the cli in ubuntu
[17:16] <gopp> I tryed iwconfig wlan0
[17:16] <gopp> I tryed iwconfig wlan0 up
[17:16] <gopp> but I could not get it
[17:26] <Valsum> try iwconfig
[17:26] <Valsum> then iwconfig eth1 (or the one you have your dev on) scan
[17:27] <Valsum> then iwconfig essid <nameofconnection> and that's it
[17:27] <Valsum> sorry
[17:27] <Valsum> iwconfig eth1 essid <name>
[17:27] <Valsum> you might have to type ifconfig eth1 up before scanning
[17:28] <PathagenX> also I am fixing this problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4040893 need to reinstall libopenexr2c2a but dpkg is saying: Bus error (core dumped). How do I reinstall something when dpkg is packing a sad?
[17:32] <gopp> Valsum thanks
[17:32] <Valsum> np gopp
[17:32] <gopp> Valsum lastquestion what about security
[17:32] <Valsum> PathagenX: sorry, dunno
[17:32] <gopp> I setup wpa
[17:34] <Valsum> hmm didn't it ask for your password after 'iwconfig eth1 essid <name>'? seems I forgot
[17:36] <Valsum> ah yes it was, afterwards, 'iwconfig eth1 key s:<pass>'
[17:37] <Valsum> and remember to use sudo in all the process ;)
[17:37] <Valsum> one last step I forgot, and Google reminded me: sudo dhclient eth1
[17:40] <Valsum> bah he had left and I had missed it :P
[18:00] <gopp> hey
[18:00] <gopp> I can't get to seem to get wireless up
[18:21] <dell> anyone have any problems with java applets with FF3 on xubuntu?
[18:24] <dell> are the updates listed in update manager really that important? most of them are related to stuff i never use
[18:25] <Valsum> I think I'm having some troubles with java in ff too, and I recommend updating ;)
[18:27] <gopp> oh
[19:11] <oren> i want to add support to writing in japanese. i went to Language support and checked in japanese. what else should i do?
[19:30] <floating> oren
[19:31] <floating> go check in some options if you have a tag for support for complex languages
[19:31] <floating> im not on xubuntu now, but i had problems with it too..
[19:31] <floating> i tagged it and untagged and tagged...
[19:32] <oren> now i am trying to replace us with jp in xorg.
[19:32] <floating> オレンさんは日本人なの
[19:32] <floating> you dont have to do that i think
[19:33] <floating> there are some websites that has help for installing scim
[19:33] <floating> type ubuntu scim in google
[19:33] <oren> ok
[19:34] <oren> floating: wife ga nihon jin desu
[19:35] <floating> aa okkee desu =)
[19:36] <oren> after replacing us with jp in xorg and restarting, i still write only in english, what's going on?
[19:36] <floating> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM
[19:37] <floating> its little bit complex... so complex that i dont have time to start checking the things in more detail right now |(
[19:37] <oren> ok. i'll take a look.
[19:37] <floating> actually it can be really simple.. but if there is a problem... then not
[19:38] <oren> floating: btw, i check the option to enable complex characters but after reboot it's uncheck again.
[19:38] <floating> Under Xubuntu 8.04, you will need to install scim-bridge-client-gtk via synaptic in order to successfully check the "Enable support to enter complex characters" option, in the Language Support menu
[19:39] <oren> floating: got it. will do it now.
[19:39] <floating> if apt-get scim-bridge-client-gtk doesnt help.. then there is some other scim-xxx-x-xxx-qt  that you might have to install
[19:40] <floating> i forgot the name
[19:41] <oren> and do u swicth between languages with the icon on the top bar?
[19:44] <floating> i have a japanese keyboard, so i press the カタカナひらがな button to switch
[19:44] <floating> perhaps alt-shift switches by default too
[19:45] <floating> there is the scim bar where you can switch the keyboard too ^^
[19:45] <floating> i actually use only the japanese keyboard, i switch between input method
[19:45] <floating> you can also switch between keyboard layouts instead
[19:50] <oren> after adding the package u mentioned i can check the complex characters checkbox. but still, my icon shows only the us flag and alt+shift does not change the language.
[19:52] <oren> i try click on open office and gedit. not sure if i'll find anything.
[19:52] <oren> (i mean right click)
[19:54] <oren> right click in open office, 'set language'. i set japanese as default. still no change...
[20:12] <oren> i changed the xinput.d file..
[20:12] <oren> instead if xim i put scim-bridge
[20:15] <oren> : scratch his head.
[20:15] <oren> :me scratch his head.
[20:15]  * oren test
[20:16]  * oren scratch his head.
[20:16]  * j1mc test
[20:16] <j1mc> oren: what is your question?
[20:17] <oren> j1mc: swith between english and another language.
[20:17] <oren> j1mc: switch
[20:18] <Kiba`> Applications -> System -> Language Support -> Default Language?
[20:18] <oren> i installed scim-bridge agent, edited my xorg to us,jp, edited xinput.d file but nothing helps.
[20:19] <oren> Kiba`: let me try
[20:20] <Kiba`> well, not sure if that's actually what you want :x
[20:20] <Kiba`> also, i'm a total beginner :-s
[20:20] <oren> Kiba`: rebooting. i am trying it but i don't realy want to have default japanese. let see anyway.
[20:21] <oren> Kiba`: i want default english.
[20:21] <Kiba`> do you want to change the language itself or do you just want to type in japanese?
[20:22] <oren> Kiba`: it looks like my xfce is japanese now...i want the ability to write in japanese/english.
[20:23] <oren> Kiba`: the funny part is now i still can't WRITE in japanese..
[20:23] <Kiba`> ^^
[20:23] <Kiba`> press ctrl+space
[20:24] <Kiba`> or i think that was the combination SCIM used
[20:25] <oren> Kiba`: when i do it i can't write anymore but see a new small bar in the right bottom corner.
[20:25] <oren> Kiba`: what is this?
[20:26] <Kiba`> ോേ്ൈൌൈാൈൌാ
[20:26] <Kiba`> woops
[20:26] <Kiba`> um, that should be the SCIM thingy
[20:27] <oren> Kiba`: but i can't write anything. only after hiting ctrl+space again i can. but in english.
[20:28] <Kiba`> maybe try in another application
[20:29] <Kiba`> not sure if you can actually type japanese characters into the terminal
[20:30] <oren> Kiba`: actually when i type ctrl+space i can write into a buffer and hit enter. then it paste whatever i typed to the doc. but it's wierd english. no japanese.
[20:47] <siggjen> i have a problem setting up my new RAID system
[20:47] <siggjen> When i make a new partition it will only become 747 GB large
[20:47] <siggjen> and there is 2.73TiB available /:
[21:22] <nikolam> syslogd and klogd just went crazy after I used a kvm virtual machine with Virtual Machine manager.
[21:23] <nikolam> I shut down Vm`s but syslogd and klogd are using so much cpu now
[21:28] <oren> i got japanese in gedit using scim. when i try it in open office it display dibrish. do i need to install font for open office?
[21:32] <hvgotcodes> hey how much smaller is xubuntu than ubuntu?
[21:34] <oren> hvgotcodes: mine is 4 inch smaller. i think it's xfce that makes the difference.
[21:34] <hvgotcodes> oren: ha
[21:34] <hvgotcodes> i meant how much less space does an initial install take up
[21:35] <oren> oh...about 350 grams less, as long as u don't install gnome.
[21:36] <hvgotcodes> hey this is a serious question
[21:36] <oren> hvgotcodes: i think it can fit in 1 gb. if u want to save space install the alternate version. let me find the link.
[21:37] <oren> hvgotcodes: last week i installed debian. it's around 400 mb with no X. with X it's around 600 mb. try to beat that!!
[21:37] <hvgotcodes> thats pretty good
[21:38] <hvgotcodes> i think on my new laptop im going with xubuntu instead of ubuntu
[21:38] <oren> hvgotcodes: install the bare-bone debian. add X and add your favorite window manager/desktop environment.
[21:38] <oren> hvgotcodes: mine is dwm - it's 20k !!! written in c. very speedy as u can guess.
[21:39] <oren> hvgotcodes: good choice. there is nothing u loose. only the bloat..
[21:39] <hvgotcodes> you know i couldnt find a hardy guide for getting the latest awesome installed
[21:39] <oren> hvgotcodes: i started with awesome, than xmonad and now i am in dwm. for life..
[21:40] <hvgotcodes> in the end though i want eye candy
[21:40] <hvgotcodes> so compiz the xfce for me
[21:40] <oren> hvgotcodes: ok..
[21:40] <hvgotcodes> im getting an m1530 with 4gb or ram and the 256 nvidia 8600 m
[21:40] <hvgotcodes> 2.5ghz penryn
[21:41] <hvgotcodes> hey man are you having trouble getting to gmail?
[21:41] <hvgotcodes> gmail wont load for me
[21:43] <oren> i just googled for u: "What I can tell you is that a complete install from the live CD (Xubuntu), including Abiword, occupies a total of 1.3 GB."
[21:43] <oren> i found it on a forum.
[21:44] <oren> abiword is the lightweight replacement for open office.
[21:45] <oren> and u also get gnumeric to replace excel.
[21:45] <hvgotcodes> i want to avoid gnome bloat
[21:47] <oren> hvgotcodes: great. i am searching for u. xubuntu alternate. it allow u to customize your xubuntu, unlike the regular install.
[21:48] <oren> hvgotcodes: and don't be scared of debian, go to #debian and tell us your hardware and we will tell u if it's going to work well.
[21:51] <Kiba`> can somebody tell me why my bootsplash screen consists only of strange vertical stripes? :-s
[21:51] <Kiba`> err, horizontal
[21:52] <oren> xorg issue? did u edit xorg.conf?
[21:53] <Kiba`> not yet, no
[21:58] <oren> hvgotcodes: get the xubuntu alternate cd from here: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/8.04/release/
[21:58] <oren> hvgotcodes: btw, it's the same installer as debian. text base.
[22:02] <hvgotcodes> oren thanx for the advice
[22:03] <hvgotcodes> im pretty sure all the hardware is supported'
[22:03] <hvgotcodes> not sure want text based installl
[22:05] <hvgotcodes> oren: have you tried arch?
[22:07] <oren> hvgotcodes: no. only ubuntu/xubuntu/damn small/puppy and debian.
[22:08] <hvgotcodes> was thinking about it but don't want to mess with configs
[22:08] <hvgotcodes> *buntu is right for mw
[22:08] <oren> hvgotcodes: arch don't use apt for package management. people say apt is the best so i am sticking with debian-based.
[22:12] <hvgotcodes> is the alternate cd text based/
[22:15] <oren> yes. don't worry.
[22:15] <hvgotcodes> like text but with graphics, or like command line gentoo style?
[22:16] <oren> text with nice menu. let me google for it.
[22:17] <hvgotcodes> you are very helpful thanx
[22:18] <oren> hvgotcodes: i love to help and always get help when i need it.
[22:26] <oren> here is a page with screenshots of the debian installer which i think is used by the alternate xubuntu: http://www.code-monkeys.org/d-i/debian-installer.html
[22:26] <oren> hvgotcodes: my last message is for u
[22:27] <oren> hvgotcodes: if u just want to try different linux distros u can install virtualbox. it's a great virtualization app.
[22:28] <oren> hvgotcodes: r u familiar with the virtual machine concept?
[22:29] <hvgotcodes> oren yeah
[22:29] <hvgotcodes> i like ubuntu
[22:29] <hvgotcodes> i just want xbuntu because i never use anything in gnome
[22:32] <oren> hvgotcodes: great. if u r scared of the text based install just get the regular xubuntu cd.
[22:37] <hvgotcodes> not scared -- just want ot be up and running as soon as i can after i get the machine
[22:38] <hvgotcodes> it allows one to customize installed softare? like check here if you want open office, etc?
[22:42] <oren> i don't remember what kind of customization u get. if u want fast, just get the regular xubuntu. if u want more control get the alternat.
[22:42] <oren> alternate.
[22:47] <djouallah> where to change default os to boot ?
[22:47] <whileimher> hi. Is there any way to make a panel be double layered. What I mean is to have it be twice as high as it normally is but have double the items. Does that make sense?
[22:48] <Odd-rationale> djouallah: from the grub menu. press esc while grub is loading during boot up.
[22:48] <Odd-rationale> whileimher: you can put two panels... one below another...
[22:49] <whileimher> Yeah that is what I mean I think
[22:49] <Odd-rationale> hvgotcodes: no, the alternative cd (nor the desktop cd for that matter) does not allow you to pick and choose packages to install... i wish though...
[22:49] <whileimher> I need to have a bit more room to store my icons and such.
[23:06] <whileimher> Its amazing how fast KDE apps work on XFCE. Faster than even when I used KDE as my desktop
[23:08] <Genelyk>   uhmm
[23:09] <Genelyk> on bug , duoble bar in splashboot
[23:09] <Genelyk> and not configure  my video Ati
[23:19] <djouallah> goo d work guy, just installed xubuntu on a dell laptop, to be short, it is a damn good work
[23:24] <hvgotcodes> i can apply gtk themes to xfce right?
[23:25] <oren> hvgotcodes: what's gtk themes?
[23:25] <hvgotcodes> gnome is built on the gtk library
[23:25] <hvgotcodes> i think other wm/DEs can use gtk themes
[23:26] <hvgotcodes> so metacity is for the window borders, gtk actually themes all display elements
[23:26] <hvgotcodes> when you see screenshots that are dark, its a gtk theme....
[23:33] <oren> hvgotcodes: got it.
[23:37] <Genelyk> not icon of firefox  , in panel top    , alpha 1