[00:52] <lee> Intrepid Ibex
[00:52] <lee> I am doing the Distribution Upgrade as we speak
[01:19] <G_009> ibex wireless worked "out-of-the-box" on a MT-3422 laptop; however there is no option to save hex key/passphrase yet so this must be done manually everytime you log back in session. but i'm glad to see the progress; never got it to work on 8.04 (same laptop)
[01:22] <DanaG> Ugh, bitpim is sooo buggy.
[01:23] <DanaG> IndexError: Trying to read 4294967295L bytes starting at 20 which will go beyond end of 20 byte buffer.
[01:26] <DanaG> How do you get that ridiculous length of a buffer overflow?
[02:37] <virtualroadside> so just how unstable is idex? if its runnable, then im in.
[02:37] <virtualroadside> provided it has a newer version of xorg in it -- im looking for the hotplug support
[02:54] <hmuller> I need to file a bug for the intrepid iso on the oem install.  The user configuration hangs, which package should I file the bug on?
[05:16] <G_009> wierdly enough .. i could connect via wlan0, except at less than 54mbps (per 801.xx spec)...
[05:18] <G_009> without retyping hex key...
[05:19] <G_009> my impression was there was no automated way to store hex key
[05:23] <G_009> i like the dark theme .. i just dont think most would
[05:26] <G_009> i'll have to make a swap as well ... setup did not allow me to "intuitively" designate one (on a dual boot sys)
[05:30] <G_009> however.. it was great to connect using wlan0 for the 1st time on this laptop.. kudos to the ibex team
[05:34] <G_009> am allowing my battery to go completely dead for this occassion
[05:38] <G_009> nvidia-glx is installed and working but cannot enable compiz
[05:39] <G_009> and "cannot read from resource" is still an issue when attempting to play dvds
[05:43] <G_009> red light came up.. blink blink
[05:43] <G_009> thats like 10% left
[05:48] <G_009> .
[10:28] <bardyr> how can i define a cmd to a shortcut?
[10:40] <pheeror> Do you use compiz?
[10:41] <pheeror> if so, in ccsm choose general options - commands
[10:52] <bardyr> pheeror, thanks
[10:52] <pheeror> nope
[11:12] <kahrytan> Does Intrepid installs get automatic upgrades between releases?
[11:13] <pheeror> what do you mean?
[11:14] <pheeror> if i get it right alphaN are just snapshots of some packages from intrepid repo at the particular time
[11:15] <kahrytan> I think so cuz RC is automatic to final.
[11:47] <kahrytan> pheeror,  What i mean is, I wouldnt have to download alpha 2 and install
[12:05] <RAOF> kahrytan: There really is _no_ intrepid release until the final release (and, arguably, not even then).  The alphas are just a time when we try to make sure that Intrepid is installable, but you're using the same repositories that'll be used until we start on Intrepid+1
[12:06] <kahrytan> RAOF,  is that a joke?
[12:06] <RAOF> No, not at all.
[12:06] <kahrytan> parts were
[12:06] <RAOF> The "release" is an entirely social thing.
[12:07] <RAOF> The underlying architecture doesn't know anything about the alphas/RCs/release.
[12:07] <kahrytan> Alpha's mean nothing  i know
[12:08] <RAOF> And the release has the same quality.  It's not that they mean nothing, it's just that their existance is a social artefact.
[12:09] <RAOF> The reason it's a release is that we stop pushing new packages to it (hopefully because we've removed all the major bugs).
[12:09] <kahrytan> you are trying to be funny
[12:09] <bullgard4> GNOME Window Selector lists some programs in bold but most in a normal font. What does the bold font mean?
[14:03] <user_> starting up the installer i386 in virtualbox from upstream on hardy x64 host gives: "unable to handle kernel" so far i havent found a report for this. am i missing it?
[14:24] <kahrytan> user_,  Intrepid has allot of issues on vbox
[14:24] <user_> kahrytan: then theres no need to file a report?
[14:24] <kahrytan> user_,  hows the usplash screen in vbox?
[14:25] <user_> kahrytan: works, changed keymap to german and started (language remained set to english)
[14:25] <kahrytan> doh. It works for me but barely. weird glitches
[14:26] <user_> kahrytan: should i file a report, os is it too obvious at that stage of development..?
[14:27] <kahrytan> user_, Did you repeat it and log it?
[14:27] <user_> kahrytan: whats "log it"?
[14:28] <Hobbsee> user_: it's probably too early.
[14:28] <Hobbsee> user_: the kernel is really still quite new in there
[14:28] <user_> Hobbsee: ok, thanks for your insight
[14:28] <Hobbsee> you're welcome.
[14:28] <kahrytan> it's new period.
[14:29] <kahrytan> Their using nonreleased kernel in intrepid. im glad. I need to do hardware testing.
[14:29] <pheeror> hmm, 2.6.26 doesn't even boot on my laptop
[14:30] <pheeror> actually it boots, but then there is problem with alocating init
[14:30] <kahrytan> 2.6.26 has cx18 driver in it
[14:30] <pheeror> same intrepid, 2.6.24 kernel works fine
[15:26] <user_> where can i get linux kernel .config for intrepid?
[15:32] <bardyr> user_, /proc or /boot
[15:32] <bardyr> /boot/config-2.6.26-2-generic
[15:33] <user_> and where could i get it from the web, as i cannot boot intrepid yet?
[15:33] <bardyr> the kernel source package?
[15:34] <bardyr> or i can upload it somewhere if you want
[15:34] <user_> yes, i have quite problems locating packages on launchpad. i love packages.debian.org but i cant find the analous place on launchpad
[15:34] <user_> trying to find source packages..
[15:35] <user_> ah, ok, after more then 5 minutes
[15:35] <user_> bardyr: thank you
[15:36] <bardyr> ubuntu had a packages.ubuntu.com too
[15:37] <user_> launchpad makes me feel very silly
[15:38] <bardyr> user_, http://download.yousendit.com/FA08A5F365E43692
[15:42] <user_> bardyr: great, thanks, only 3 options to manually answer for vanilla rc8. thanks very much
[15:42] <bardyr> np
[15:52] <ph8> hey all, can anyone tell me how to switch to ibex packages in apt? i tried just changing hardy to ibex but no dice. I would install straight-ibex on this, my test machine but the installer freezes - hence i'm trying this route, hardy -> ibex
[15:59] <ph8> ah got it :)
[16:35] <ph8> would anyone like to tell me where to start looking when intrepid won't boot into recovery or normal? It was a dist-upgrade from hardy, it appears to briefly do some preliminary bits then the screen goes blank
[16:55] <NielsE> I've installed the alpha with the cd, but now 7.10 won't load anymore (I see that the kernel is being loaded, then black screen), vista does still fine though
[16:55] <NielsE> the grub parameters don't seem to be anything different
[16:56] <user_> NielsE: you can still choose the older working kernel from the grub menu?
[16:56] <NielsE> the recovery mode of 7.10 does work too (same kernel)
[16:56] <NielsE> other kernel does the same thing
[16:57] <NielsE> ls /home/ is empty... (7.10)
[16:58] <NielsE> I saw in vista that my /home/ partition was still intact
[16:58] <user_> NielsE: possible, that the new kernel cannot access the HD. boot with the older kernel.
[16:59] <NielsE> I'm now in recovery mode of gutsy, I havn't started intrepid yet
[17:00] <user_> NielsE: you need to reboot and in the grub menu choose the old kernel
[17:01] <NielsE> I tried to start gutsy, but that is the problem, gutsy wont start anymore, i did not do an upgrade
[17:01] <NielsE> I installed intrepid with the cd on another partition
[17:05] <NielsE> intrepid (with the latest version) works just fine (for an alpha)
[17:07] <pheeror> on my laptop it works better than hardy (:
[17:26] <user_> hmm, why cant i find linux source 2.6.24 on ubuntu launchpad package search? does it exist? 2.6.22 f.e. is there
[17:52] <NielsE> I got my gutsy working again, the uuid's were changed, so fstab did'nt have the right values, now it boots up just fine
[18:23] <G_009> observation: network manager does save hex key; but it wasn't apparent since i had to do it a few times 'til it stuck.  but now am connected at 48mb/s of the expected 54mb/s
[18:24] <G_009> (wlan0)
[18:32] <G_009> network device: [loopback]  changed to [wireless interface], tried running config on it: interface does not exist. but it gives me a bunch of info about it. silly.
[18:37] <teethdood> is 8.04.1 going to be a simple update or a major update? (ie intrepid)
[18:41] <rsk> teethdood: simple
[18:42] <rsk> mostly fixes for installation and just bundling all security/bug-updated
[18:42] <rsk> updates
[18:53] <teethdood> politics aside, would you use vmware or virtualbox (I need access to USB/all peripherals). Willing to pay
[18:54] <rsk> teethdood: use kvm
[18:55] <teethdood> rsk: ay caramba! I was told by someone else to use QEMU too
[18:55] <rsk> =)
[18:55] <teethdood> needless to say this is one of those instances where choice is bad (ie confusing)
[18:56] <teethdood> rsk: please do tell me more about kvm, why you like it
[18:56] <rsk> cause it is in the mainline kernel and can do 3d =)
[18:56] <teethdood> does the VM get complete access to USB?
[18:57] <teethdood> I'm hooking an X-ray machine to the VM. It uses USB, software only runs on windows
[18:59] <rsk> well
[18:59] <rsk> you think linux can run windows ?
[19:00] <pheeror> kvm can do 3D?
[19:00] <pheeror> sounds interesting
[19:00] <teethdood> if you're alluding to WINE, no this piece of software will not run on WINE
[19:01] <rsk> dont know what alluding means
[19:01] <selckin> vmware is pritty solid, and if you're willing to pay good for support
[19:01] <pheeror> oh you refered to that vnc hack, didnt you
[19:03] <teethdood> there should be a ratings system for all these VM software
[19:03] <rsk> no need for talking about doing stuff
[19:03] <pheeror> but kvm looks good anyway, bad luck i don't have necessary hardware
[19:03] <rsk> if you want somethinf done, but do it yourself
[19:03] <rsk> or pay someone to do it
[19:03] <rsk> easy as that
[19:41] <G_009> insert dvd. mount dvd. play dvd: fail - reason: cannot read from resource.   totem gstreamer ugly set. same as in 8.04
[19:48] <DanaG> !libdvdcss
[19:48] <DanaG> perhaps?
[20:57] <MaximLevitsky> I have just one question
[20:57] <MaximLevitsky> Will the NewHuman replace human style, and why?
[20:59] <gnomefreak> MaximLevitsky: thats more than 1 question and its way too early to know
[20:59] <gnomefreak> artwork is one of last things to be added, you might get more help in #ubuntu-artwork
[21:00] <MaximLevitsky> I ***Hate*** this style
[21:00] <rsk> MaximLevitsky: easy enough to change >(
[21:00] <rsk> :)
[21:00] <gnomefreak> MaximLevitsky: the dark one?
[21:00] <MaximLevitsky> yes, but you know, the default is updated...
[21:00] <gnomefreak> MaximLevitsky: that wont be final
[21:00] <MaximLevitsky> yes, the dark one
[21:00] <rsk> and not the other non-defaults?
[21:00] <rsk> seems weird to mee
[21:01] <MaximLevitsky> usially
[21:01] <gnomefreak> it is very unlikey that will stay
[21:01] <MaximLevitsky> For example I used kde just before some time
[21:01] <gnomefreak> problems in viewing level 2 menus
[21:01] <MaximLevitsky> I then tried KDE4
[21:01] <gnomefreak> kde4 is broken in intrepid
[21:01] <gnomefreak> its not installable
[21:02] <MaximLevitsky> I didn't like Oxygen style at all, so I tried to switch to plastic
[21:02] <rsk> but KDE4 is still in beta. gnome 2.22 is not.
[21:02] <gnomefreak> yay this might finally build :)
[21:02] <rsk> so that dosen't apply
[21:02] <gnomefreak> kde4 is final kde4.1 is in beta
[21:03] <rsk> urm. ok
[21:03] <gnomefreak> or 4.0.1 cant remember the versioning atm
[21:03] <MaximLevitsky> But plasic still doesn't look like it used to look, I mean generally default is the most developed, and tested against
[21:03] <gnomefreak> kde4 isnt default
[21:03] <MaximLevitsky> It is just an analogy
[21:03]  * gnomefreak wonders why its building debs :(
[21:04] <DanaG> I believe I've shown my screenshot of my theme, right?
[21:04] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[21:04] <rsk> no idea
[21:04] <gnomefreak> ah thats my fault. brb so i can get this done
[21:04] <MaximLevitsky> I now use Gnome, and I kindof like it more a bit
[21:06] <MaximLevitsky> Btw, anybody know how I can export a text file in window CLRF encoding in gedit?
[21:06] <MaximLevitsky> I mean create, and export
[21:06] <AtomicSpark> where can i find the latest iso for intrepid? i'd like to put up a vm and see how its going.
[21:06] <rsk> ubuntu.com
[21:07] <AtomicSpark> rsk, very funny. :P
[21:07] <rsk> :)
[21:07] <gnomefreak> ok alien-arena is done  :)
[21:07] <gnomefreak> AtomicSpark: there isnt one yet
[21:07] <rsk> i almost cried when i tried alien-arena
[21:08] <gnomefreak> aplha 1 will be next week IIRC
[21:08] <rsk> AtomicSpark: there is an alternative alpha1
[21:08] <rsk> but no usual iso
[21:08] <MaximLevitsky> Anybody else notice that some icons aren't from human theme
[21:08] <rsk> aka liveCD
[21:08] <gnomefreak> someone wanted 7.0-2 backported to hardy so i did :)
[21:08] <rsk> i hope urban terror will be in ibex
[21:09] <rsk> and warsow :)
[21:09] <AtomicSpark> rsk, i usually get alts when running vms. live cds tend to never work. :P
[21:09] <rsk> yep, unless you run kvm
[21:09] <rsk> ;)
[21:09] <rsk> that has 3dsupport and yadda yadda yadda.
[21:10] <AtomicSpark> i use virtmanager. which has kvm still i believe.
[21:10] <AtomicSpark> found this with google http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-1/ :P
[21:12] <gnomefreak> AtomicSpark: ill recheck my devel announcent but i though next thursday was release of A1
[21:12] <MaximLevitsky> Everything seems to work fine here
[21:12] <gnomefreak> maybe it was thursday
[21:12] <MaximLevitsky> (I use custom kernel - this is the reson)
[21:12] <MaximLevitsky> reson/reason
[21:14] <gnomefreak> oh damn]
[21:15] <AtomicSpark> i just hope i set up virtmanager correctly. its very different from the old qemu/kvm setup. :P
[21:16] <AtomicSpark> i used the official server guide, so i should be fine.
[21:18] <AtomicSpark> gnomefreak, whats sad is a lot of people dont seem to read or care about that disclaimer :\
[21:19] <MaximLevitsky> I did, and I say that Interpid works fine here
[21:19] <gnomefreak> AtomicSpark: People shouldnt use it at all IMHO as there is alot of breakage that im working on to fix
[21:20] <gnomefreak> ,AtomicSpark it doesnt work fine anywhere (depending on what packages you use
[21:20] <gnomefreak> MaximLevitsky: ^^^
[21:20] <AtomicSpark> lol
[21:20] <MaximLevitsky> Here it does
[21:20] <gnomefreak> example kubuntu-kde4-desktop cant be installed
[21:20] <AtomicSpark> i'll probably install it. see whats different. and shut it down. :P
[21:20] <MaximLevitsky> Thre small bugs, but some bugs are fixed
[21:20] <gnomefreak> as well as crashes in gedit
[21:21] <gnomefreak> and so on and so forth.
[21:21] <gnomefreak> MaximLevitsky: i would say a -desktop package that cant be installed is a big problem
[21:21] <MaximLevitsky> Obivosly
[21:22] <gnomefreak> also toiol chain is really the only thing that has changed there are still alo tof merges to do and when they get done you will see breakge
[21:22] <MaximLevitsky> But some bugs are fixed
[21:22] <MaximLevitsky> For exmple it has new lm-sensors
[21:23] <AtomicSpark> gnomefreak, so i can't see the new design yet? :(
[21:23] <MaximLevitsky> AtomicSpark, the dark one you mean?
[21:23] <gnomefreak> AtomicSpark: no very little artwork has started if you look on the page in topic you might beablet o see the thoughts (there should be a link from that wiki)
[21:24] <gnomefreak> be back im kind of breaking things
[21:26] <MaximLevitsky> Btw, will ubuntu switch to new /dev/rtc0 driver?
[21:26] <MaximLevitsky> rtc-cmos driver ?
[21:28] <AtomicSpark> MaximLevitsky, does it blend?
[21:29] <gnomefreak> MaximLevitsky: dont know i havent seen anyone talk about it. If you want to know what will happen try going to the link in the topic or searching intrepid on wiki.ubuntu.com there are always wikis on suggestions of artwork and/or things that will be added
[21:29] <MaximLevitsky> It doesn't, but it rings well
[21:29] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=intrepid&titlesearch=Titles
[21:30] <gnomefreak> first 39 of them are on artwork
[21:30] <gnomefreak> make that it starts on #3
[21:30] <MaximLevitsky> Thanks a lot
[21:31] <gnomefreak> oh i forgot i have a ideas wiki :(
[21:31] <gnomefreak> oh well tomorrow i will update it i think
[21:31] <AtomicSpark> haha. one of them makes it look like an orange mac.
[21:34] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one major breakage for me: printing.
[21:34] <DanaG> Totally broken.  foomatic-rip fails.
[21:34] <DanaG> I had to roll back to the Hardy foomatic-filters package.
[22:45] <DanaG> QtCore/qglobal.h: No such file or directory
[22:50] <DanaG> !find qglobal.h
[22:50] <DanaG> Aah.
[22:51] <DanaG> Headers?  Not -dev?  No wonder I couldn't find it....
[22:56] <DanaG> But I have those installed!
[22:58] <DanaG> Complete error is this: /usr/include/kdemacros.h:162:29: error: QtCore/qglobal.h: No such file or directory
[22:59] <DanaG> Anybody happen to know how to fix that?
[23:05] <DanaG> !find QtCore/qglobal.h
[23:36] <rainwalker> 8.10 is the release that gets the visual refresh, right?
[23:41] <RAOF> So I've heard.
[23:50] <gnomefreak> artwork is last thing to go in
[23:50] <gnomefreak> until its in we knwo nothing