[00:03] does ati actually work with 3d yet? [00:04] tretle: I'm not sure gilouche is right for Ubuntu. my suspicion is that it's less usable [00:05] It looks neat in a screenshot, certainy [00:05] certainly [00:05] My current theme: http://picpaste.com/pics/screenshot-orange-nodoka.1213694702.png [00:05] just using the widow border, hows it less usable? [00:05] tretle: how do i know where the button boundaries stop for minimize, maximize and close? [00:05] DanaG: fail [00:06] why? [00:06] 404 - no pic here? [00:06] aah [00:06] why do you need to know that? [00:06] Aah, expired. [00:07] er, pic expired from the site. [00:07] tretle: because thats how I know how to use it? [00:07] the tooltip will say minimize, close, maximize [00:07] http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png [00:07] sorry, that wasnt helpful of me [00:07] tretle: because thats how I know where to click [00:08] additionally, the button design helps point out that they're clickable [00:08] so the tooltips x, box and undersore icons dont give you proper instruction? [00:08] *underscore [00:09] I think you are dumbing down users too much, lol [00:09] they might not; it's really important that such claims be tested. this is just a hunch [00:09] its used in opensuse, lol [00:09] i think you're eliminating too much information [00:10] its like the difference between architecture and engineering [00:10] architecture people love big empty spaces, and neat looking buildings. [00:10] engineers like stuff that works [00:11] gilouche works [00:11] people will not look at the window border and say how do i close this [00:11] DanaG: what's with the openGL fish? [00:12] tretle: sufficiently advanced users are going to change the defaults anyways [00:13] thats not a very good reason for dismissing it [00:13] if thats the case why have a new theme at all [00:13] well in my lone opinion, to fix the remaining usability problems [00:15] you can probably get more opinions on the mailing list [00:16] Atlantis2. [00:16] Fun. [00:17] Especially in the sky above the bridge. [02:47] cody-somerville: did you get my xubuntu logo mockups? [02:50] nothlit, no, sorry. link? :) [02:52] 07:22:57 < nothlit> cody-somerville: http://core.joejaxx.net/~nothlit/xubuntu/ the .xcf is new stuff, open in gimp-- the pngs are the sketches i showed you @ the airport and paintovers so you can see how they look simplified... make sure you're zoomed out [02:57] neat :) [02:57] i wish i could find a good video of a mouse on a treadmill [02:59] anyways if you don't like those i can do a new set of sketches, or stop, otherwise I can see about making a preliminary svg [02:59] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6653451215387750571&q=mouse+treadmill&ei=M-xmSIu2D5Xk4ALhs-HOAg [03:00] nothlit, I want to show this to Jim. I'll get back to you soon, okay? :) [03:01] if you ask nicely they might send you a high quality video on dvd ;) [03:04] cody-somerville: np take as long as you need [07:58] Heh, this is random, but moderately amusing: http://wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=1702&libid=2 -- wooden icon theme. [07:58] I wouldn't use it.. but it does still give me a bit of a laugh. === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === savvas_ is now known as savvas