[00:43] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10435/ <- idea to add the ubuntu RSS feed by default, not just BBC [02:46] hi, how can I use shortcuts ctrl+v, ctrl+c, ctrl+x with thunderbird 2.0 if I type non latin message? [11:39] hey guys, are we still using bughelper for ff? [13:06] Hi all === Kamping_Kaiser is now known as Birthday_Kaiser [13:49] Jazzva, seems liferea is broken again. I can't raise it [13:49] hi Volans [13:50] hi Venus_Mars [13:50] I got my uploading working :-) [13:51] great! :) [13:51] fta, how? why? [13:51] Jazzva, no idea [13:51] New version that overrided our fix? [13:51] it appears as iconified in the window selector [13:52] iconified in the window selector? [13:52] Anyone has an idea about the progressmeter? [13:52] Jazzva, the list applet in the panel [13:53] fta, right. But what you mean iconified? Is the package in intrepid? [13:53] I'm gonna try it soon, as soon as I'm done with some template I'm finishing [13:53] Jazzva, when I want to raise it in the current desktop, it's listed as [liferea] (hence it's iconified) [13:54] ahh... [13:55] it's still our version.. hm [13:55] wow... [13:55] maybe there're some changes in gtk... === Double_D is now known as Sergeant_Pony [14:50] debian bug 224993 [14:50] Debian bug 224993 in dlocate "/usr/share/man/man1/dlocate.1.gz: not fast alternative for dpkg -l" [Minor,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/224993 [14:51] debian bug 206470 [14:51] Debian bug 206470 in grep "LC_CTYPE=C speeds 'grep a' 800 times!" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/206470 [14:51] debian bug 181378 [14:51] Debian bug 181378 in grep "grep is extremely slow" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/181378 [14:51] damn [14:52] debian bug 329876 [14:52] Debian bug 329876 in grep "grep runs amok" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/329876 [14:58] could someone running intrepid have a look at bug 243717 and eventually confirm it? i'm turning crazy here [14:58] Launchpad bug 243717 in grep "case sensitive grep broken with UTF8 in intrepid, breaking scripts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243717 [15:00] fta: sorry I don't have Intrepid installed on VBox [15:01] Jazzva, ^^ ? [15:02] fta, only in chroot... [15:02] doesn't matter [15:02] ok [15:02] in 5 minutes :) [15:02] ok, thanks [17:54] fta, sorry for the delay. Tested now with what testcases you provided and works for me [17:54] Jazzva, hm [17:55] even echo Y | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 grep -i '[y]' ?? [17:55] Though, I only updated grep. Maybe it's problem in some other component [17:55] (hardy)sasa@SID:~$ echo Y | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 grep -i '[y]' [17:55] Y [17:55] hardy is ok [17:55] it's intrepid [17:56] just left the name from the previous chroot :) [17:56] hm [17:56] i'm troubled [18:10] fta: you know who is responsible of packages.ubuntu.com? It seems down [18:13] Volans: Canonical sysadmins [18:20] Nafallo: are you sure? I remember that was not under their control (but maybe I'm wrong ;)) [18:20] and I think that there ins't sysadmin on sunday [18:28] <[reed]> [12:28:28PM] packages.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.94.219 [18:28] <[reed]> [12:28:31PM] 219.94.189.91.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer sulfur.canonical.com. [18:29] [reed]: ok it is sysadmin world then... [19:00] asac: are you there? [19:14] * Volans go to dinner maybe come back later [19:14] bye bye [19:59] asac: fta_ i need a list of dbgsym packages to obtain backtraces with, i can only think of a few. [20:01] gnomefreak, what for ? [20:01] damn, bzr is a pig: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23765/ :( [20:01] to dbg crashes [20:01] debug even [20:01] gnomefreak, i mean which package [20:02] fta_: all that are needed for thunderbird [20:02] example firefox ones would include libnss-dbgsym and such === fta_ is now known as fta [20:02] for a complete listing for firefox is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs [20:03] but we have nothing for any other mozilla apps and i will be adding them (im thinking on a different wiki though. like wiki.ubuntu.com/bugs/debugging or something of the sort. [20:11] for pkg in $(apt-cache depends firefox-3.0 | grep Depends: | awk '{ print $2 }') ; do dpkg -l $pkg-dbgsym > /dev/null 2>&1; if [ $? = 0 ] ; then DBGSYM="$DBGSYM $pkg-dbgsym" ; fi; done ; echo $DBGSYM [20:11] replace firefox-3.0 with whatever pkg you want [20:12] but that's only for direct depends, not indirect ones [20:13] i have something a bit more complex to figure out the full list, if you're interested [20:15] fta: i would like direct and indirect if you can paste commands to pastebin please incase i dont get it done now. [20:19] i've already written something like that inside mozilla-devscripts [20:19] it's in minefield-packager.mk.in [20:19] ok will look at it in a bit thanks [20:20] it's not directly usable for your need, but the idea is in there [20:28] ill look at it maybe tomorrow as im working on my hardy chroot and building alien-arena for hardy [20:30] fta: the one above is one command starting with $(apt-cache * right? [20:31] ? [20:32] fta: the command above the command starts with $ (apt-cache right? [20:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/23769/ [20:32] for pkg in == comment right? [20:32] so $ would start comand [20:33] wello lets try it [20:33] $(apt-cache depends firefox-3.0 | grep Depends: | awk '{ print $2 }') ; do dpkg -l $pkg-dbgsym > /dev/null 2>&1; if [ $? = 0 ] ; then DBGSYM="$DBGSYM $pkg-dbgsym" ; fi; done ; echo $DBGSYM doesnt work syntax error at do [20:33] I usually write is with `` instead of $() [20:33] -is+it [20:34] bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do' [20:35] fta: you mean with the '{ print $2 }')? [20:35] you need the full line. it starts with : for pkg in $(apt-cache ... [20:36] oh i thought for pkg was a comment [20:36] no, like that: for pkg in `apt-cache depends firefox-3.0 | grep Depends: | awk '{ print $2 }'` ; do dpkg -l $pkg-dbgsym > /dev/null 2>&1; if [ $? = 0 ] ; then DBGSYM="$DBGSYM $pkg-dbgsym" ; fi; done ; echo $DBGSYM [20:36] i get nothing :( [20:36] oh wait i think i know why [20:37] nope still no output [20:37] i thought maybe because i was in intrepid without pittis repos but i tried it in hardy with pittis repos and still no output [20:37] it's slow, let it run, the output is at the end [20:38] for pkg in $(apt-cache depends firefox-3.0 | grep Depends: | awk '{ print $2 }') ; do dpkg -l $pkg-dbgsym > /dev/null 2>&1; if [ $? = 0 ] ; then DBGSYM="$DBGSYM $pkg-dbgsym" ; fi; done ; echo $DBGSYM [20:38] fta: it drops back to $prompt [20:38] im not killing it [20:38] be back in a minute going for smoke [20:43] (hardy)gnomefreak@Development:~/alien-arena/alien-arena-7.0/debian$ for pkg in $(apt-cache depends firefox-3.0 | grep Depends: | awk '{ print $2 }') ; do dpkg -l $pkg-dbgsym > /dev/null 2>&1; if [ $? = 0 ] ; then DBGSYM="$DBGSYM $pkg-dbgsym" ; fi; done ; echo $DBGSYM [20:43] (hardy)gnomefreak@Development:~/alien-arena/alien-arena-7.0/debian$ [20:46] cant use firefox as a file browser :( [20:49] what do you get for: dpkg -l libc6-dbgsym [20:49] btw fta can you build -dbg packages for firefox-3 in your PPA it crashes everytime i open it but never closes [20:49] No packages found matching libc6-dbgsym. [20:51] do you have: deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com intrepid main universe ? or equiv [20:52] no not intrepid i was using it in hardy chroot where i have the ddebs repos [20:52] i didnt htink intrepis was up yet [20:53] adding them now for intrepid [20:54] im getting really ucking tired of little shit crashes [20:54] gedit is crashing as well [21:10] ahh, finally i have the new prism ready, with a totally new packaging, and the new xulapp feature from mozilla-devscripts [21:10] * fta is happy [21:25] bug 212648 [21:25] Launchpad bug 212648 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[nvidia-new, hardy] certain websites in firefox causes X restart due to lack of wfb symlink" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212648 [21:25] damn first try [21:26] * gnomefreak wonders why it wasnt fixed yet [21:40] * gnomefreak thinks Mozilla should have lists for windows and linux instead of combined (it makes it hard to tell what platform user is using [21:53] if someone feels brave enough to beta test my tutorial to learn how to package a xulapp, i'd appreciate feedbacks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/XulApps/Packaging [21:55] it's a bit more complex than the xpi tutorial, but it should be accessible anyway. [21:55] Jazzva, gnomefreak: ^^ [21:56] fta, sorry... no time at the moment. I suppose I'll do it later if I don't fall asleep. I want to try it :) [21:56] fta: ill look maybe test this week sometime [21:57] * gnomefreak needs opinions i think i will send them to mailing list [21:57] gnomefreak: Hi, have you 5 minutes to speak about meeting schedule? [21:57] Volans: yes [21:57] here or in pvt? [21:58] here is fine what is your thoughts [21:58] fta: I can look at it as a newby of packaging if you are interested in not-so-technical feedback [21:58] im reading it atm [21:59] gnomefreak: I have done the schema of the date of next meetings and the date for the email alerts [21:59] some little questions: [21:59] Volans: ok [22:00] 1) I think that use 6 weeks + 1 day is better in order to move the day of the meeting in the week if you don't have particular reasons to do that always on sunday as the last meeting [22:00] you agree on that? we have to ask asac? [22:01] fta: FIXME: xxxx [22:01] what should replaces xxxx [22:02] Volans: well we can set a standard for day of meetings [22:02] Volans, that's fine, try it and let me know what is too obscure for you [22:02] than once we have that we can make the rest just change times are [22:02] ok fta [22:02] fta: shouldnt you tell them how to find build-deps [22:02] gnomefreak: you prefer the meeting always in the same day? [22:03] Volans: yes [22:03] example CC meeting is alwasy on first and third tuesday per month [22:03] we wont beablet o do that [22:03] I have used the idea of CC-loco meetings that for members approval change the day of the week at every meeting [22:04] but for me it's the same... only tell me the day of week you prefer [22:04] gnomefreak, "fixme xxx" is obviously something that needs to be written. here, it's debian/copyright golden rules, feel free to add that part :) [22:05] im not against it but since members might have a say free day one monday a month it would work but changing day is fine just cant do much until i get feed back from tasks set at meeting [22:05] fta: sorry my fault i was a line behind [22:05] fta: don't forget to talk about exception in license for example for artwoks [22:06] when i say debian/copyright i thought it was for code block above [22:07] fta: i like it [22:08] gnomefreak: 2 question: at what time of the day? always the same or changing it a little? (obviously if -meeting channel is available) [22:09] time of day will alwasy change [22:09] and will always be in -meeting [22:09] those are things we cant change. if we want people to come we need to keep it in -meeting and leave this open for other things like it normally is [22:11] ok last question: in the agenda wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings we have to put only the next meeting or all the scheduled meetings? [22:11] people cant always attend at same time [22:11] * Volans remembers that asac tell us to organise the next 6month meetings [22:11] Volans: cant put anything there yet [22:12] Volans: give me time to find out how far everyone is on tasks first and than i can figure out first meeting date/time [22:12] it will not be 6 weeks after the last? :) [22:12] Volans: the next meeting is goign to be a "where are we now" meeting or "has everyone finished" [22:13] ah... ok I don't have understand that at the meeting itself... sorry [22:13] no this one will be soon. i was hoping june but it looks like i am the only one that finished anything thats why i need to get with everyone and find out is a status meeting will need to take place [22:13] if you look at meeting agenda/minutes you will see where asac said june if were good or july [22:14] that is what we were talking about [22:14] like the wiki updating will need more than 6 weeks [22:14] i have to make a few wikis as well since i removed 1 we needed :( [22:15] but im thinking of changing that to a new subwiki [22:15] mozillateam/bugs/debugging [22:15] you can recovery the one removed from wiki I think ;) [22:15] somethign like that and also need a to-do wiki listing the tasks that we need done having someone take the task and when done add done to wiki [22:16] Volans: not really interested in that since im thinking about changing it from roadmap to something else [22:17] ok, then we plan the 6weeks meetings based on the next one, correct? [22:17] Volans: right [22:17] ok, no problem I will wait the next :) [22:17] i was going to send out a mailing list post (my comment above about it) to determine where we are adn also about wiki pages [22:20] fta: this is more like flock than extensions right? [22:20] and only for new packages (ones we dont already have in repos) [22:20] * gnomefreak might look for one we dont have and package it per wiki [22:21] this tutorial is for xulapp, ie application that could be built with --with-libxul-sdk [22:21] fta: mobil is one example but we already have it in archives [22:21] right? [22:21] fennec ? i don't think so [22:22] fennec? ok why rename to mobil than [22:22] hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser [22:22] no, mobile is the internal name, like ff is brower, sm is suite, tb is mail, etc [22:22] see you are using it but than telling them its something else and remaking control and friends from stratch [22:23] mobile-browser is already a package we have maybe that is wher eim getting confused [22:24] i guess the tutorial is not clear then. the app is really called fennec, but the module is called mobile and the branch mobile-browser [22:24] those are 3 different things [22:24] maybe explain that more in the begginging? [22:24] i thought i did [22:24] assuming this is for new packagers [22:25] fennec is maintained by upstream within a Mercurial (hg) tree, the branch is called mobile-browser. Move to your working directory, then clone the branch:??? [22:25] that par [22:25] part [22:25] fta: I have undestand that the application name is Mercurial (hg) and the branch mobile-browser. The "fennec" name seems to appear at some point magically [22:25] hmm [22:26] at least for me [22:26] Volans: We will work with fennec the Mobile Browser from Mozilla, very similar to prism in structure, but easier. [22:26] that is in same section as license [22:26] Yeah I have read now better the line [22:26] at the top of wiki [22:26] fennec is maintained by upstream within a Mercurial (hg) tree, the branch is called mobile-browser. Move to your working directory, then clone the branch: [22:26] but still only really explains 2 of the 3 [22:27] people would need to know what Mercurial is (im a bit fuzz on that as well TBH) [22:27] it's ok... maybe only more evidence on fennec, like Fennec or bold or italic [22:27] oh and What The Fuck is hg :( [22:31] see im thinking hg is mainly Mercurial "branches" [22:31] just reworded that part a but [22:31] bit [22:31] damn, that wiki is slow [22:32] fta: it has been for weeks [22:33] * gnomefreak gets better understanding but im wondering why Mozilla would name a package in mercurial after a package they already have with simular or same name [22:33] ? [22:34] fennec is just a tiny firefox for mobile, why do you think they already have that ? [22:36] gnomefreak, oh, mobile-browser from moblin ? it's different, afaik [22:36] oh thats not mozilla [22:37] http://www.moblin.org/repos/?p=projects/mobile-browser.git;a=tree => mibbrowser [22:37] http://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser => fennec [22:38] ah ok [22:38] is evverything under hg.mozilla.org packageable per that wiki? [22:40] im thinking of doing it with elkhound but i cant find anything about what it is [22:41] * gnomefreak starting to get the idea this isnt related to mozilla directly [22:41] I don't think everything is "packagable" in there, you need a real xulapp [22:42] fta: is ther ea place to find them? "real xulapp" [22:43] it looks like elkhound == pork but wont compile on anything newer than 4.2gcc [22:45] http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XUL_Application_Packaging [22:45] that isnt as helpful as it sounds [22:46] maight want to have a backup branch since there isnt much on hg.mozilla [22:47] i found a list of apps at http://www.mozdev.org/projects/top50.html but cant tell if they are xulapps [22:47] as in not sure if they will work with that wiki [22:48] like im thinking of https://www.mozdev.org/projects/overview/prefbar/ [22:48] since everyone wants google tool bar maybe if they have this they can have something that works ;) [22:51] is gpg broken for anyone else? [22:52] gpg --edit-key doesnt work it drops me to $prompt [22:52] im trying to delete a uid from it [22:53] gnomefreak, http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XULRunner_Hall_of_Fame [22:56] gnomefreak, Volans, Jazzva: i've just updated the wiki. let me know if it's better now [22:56] thanks :) [22:56] fta: ok [22:56] ok [22:57] k [22:57] fta: does gpg --edit-key give you a gpg prompt on intrepid? [22:58] surely better the explanation of app, tree and branch fta ;) [22:59] crap i screwed the cersion up :( [22:59] * kim_ pokes triona some more [23:00] gnomefreak, it doesn't as it's not the right syntax, you need to pass a user-id [23:00] hmmmmmm let me try [23:02] fta: this sucks i cant delete user it tells me you must use a uid [23:02] Command> deluid 1 [23:02] You must select at least one user ID. [23:02] Command> deluid ubuntu.ase@gmail.com [23:02] You must select at least one user ID. [23:02] [ unknown] (1). John Vivirito [23:03] is the one i want to remove from my gpg as its using it to sign and decrypt and i dont want it to [23:09] it wont let me use any combo for some messed up reason [23:13] gnomefreak, delete by key-id [23:13] gpg -kv [23:13] then gpg --delete-keys XXXXXXXX [23:15] well, depends if you want to remove a user or just a uid [23:17] i just want to remove a user from a key [23:17] or even select primary [23:17] but no form of the uid works [23:19] gpg --edit-key XXXXXXXX [23:19] gnomefreak: you use TB? [23:19] i did that now deluid wont work [23:20] Volans: yes [23:20] uid 2 (or whatever number you want to delete) [23:20] deluid [23:20] that's it [23:20] Command> deluid 1 [23:20] You must select at least one user ID. [23:20] Command> [23:20] no [23:20] fta: thats what im saying it isnt working [23:20] for simplicity I change sometimes information in OpenPGP in TB and works well [23:20] select your uid 1st. using "uid 1" [23:21] uid 1 deluid? [23:21] then "deluid" alone [23:21] or 2 commands [23:21] 2 commands [23:21] it doesnt work [23:21] 1 or 2 commands [23:21] paste me what you get [23:22] ah there it goes [23:22] typo :( [23:22] fta: thanks [23:22] ok alien-arena is fixed [23:23] what was the problem? [23:24] fta: it neeed to be backported and i forgot dch -i ups the version so i had to reversion it and push [23:31] Jazzva: where would the license be in an extension? im thinking this isnt a full source that was zipped [23:32] gnomefreak, usually in root [23:32] lol ther eisnt a root :( [23:32] gnomefreak@Development:~/pwdhash$ ls [23:32] CVS chrome install.js stanford-pwdhash-1.5.zip [23:32] META-INF chrome.manifest install.rdf [23:32] thats all i have [23:32] root == ~/pwdhash :) [23:32] root directory of that extension [23:33] then it might be missing... I think that you can just e-mail the upstream about licensing, and then state their reply in debian/copyright [23:34] e.g.: License [23:34] [23:34] well i found Root [23:34] (confirmed in e-mail) [23:34] But you might just ask them to add one [23:35] found root? I didn't mean to go to /, I said root as the main directory in exension layout. In this case, that is ~/pwdhash [23:35] the person "working" on this extensions says its bsd so im looking for it since i dont know what version bsd [23:35] gnomefreak@Development:~/pwdhash/CVS$ ls [23:35] Entries Repository Root [23:35] i know you didnt mean it [23:35] but i found it ironicly [23:35] that's cvs stuff :) [23:35] lol [23:35] gnomefreak: what in stanford-pwdhash-1.5.zip ? [23:35] Volans: ? [23:35] whats in it? [23:36] yes [23:36] gnomefreak@Development:~/pwdhash$ ls [23:36] CVS chrome install.js stanford-pwdhash-1.5.zip [23:36] META-INF chrome.manifest install.rdf [23:36] maybe the author have placed in the zip the equivalent of the xpi [23:36] install.rdf nor chrome has it [23:36] Volans: nope you are seeing it all [23:36] including the zip since it doesnt make a new dir for unzipped parts [23:37] ok [23:37] for the license maybe in some subfolder of chrome... [23:37] nope [23:38] gnomefreak@Development:~/pwdhash/chrome$ ls [23:38] CVS stanford-pwdhash [23:39] gnomefreak: I think you have this: http://crypto.stanford.edu/PwdHash/stanford-pwdhash-1.5.zip [23:39] inside stanford is a bunch of crap nothing with license [23:39] I'm searching [23:39] gnomefreak@Development:~/pwdhash$ wget http://crypto.stanford.edu/PwdHash/stanford-pwdhash-1.5.zip [23:39] yes [23:39] that is the one [23:39] ./chrome/stanford-pwdhash/content/md5.js:6: * Distributed under the BSD License [23:40] i could go with cvs and i may do that maybe it has missing crap [23:40] in md5? [23:40] why would they put it there [23:40] I have grepped "bsd" [23:40] it's a javascript [23:40] maybe shown it in some part [23:40] i didnt check it since its for md5sums i assumed [23:40] I don't have tried the extension [23:41] Jazzva: we only take bsd 2 and 3 right? [23:41] I love grep, I use a little script I call "trova" thats "find" in italian with some usefult multi grep ;) [23:41] Volans: can you try getting firegpg to build and install? [23:42] i have a branch but i need to work on it i can give you upstream branch if you want [23:42] i build it but it wont install from .deb [23:42] gnomefreak, dunno... [23:42] gnomefreak: I don't understand... what do you want? [23:42] BSD (2- and 3- clause) [23:42] Jazzva: that is what i was going off of [23:42] Volans: im working on firegpg and it builds but it doesnt install from .deb [23:42] once its built [23:43] and you want I try to install it? [23:46] Volans: let me fix locale branch tomorrow i have some things to change and than you can grab it and build it to install it otherwise i have no way of getting you the .deb to install it [23:47] gnomefreak, i suppose only 2 and 3, yes [23:47] Jazzva: i added coment on bug to ask upstream if its 1 2 or 3 and ill talk to asac to find out why not 1 [23:47] gnomefreak: ok, if you want tommorrow I can try to install it from deb [23:48] gnomefreak, that was what I didn't know too... the 2 and 3 refers to bsd 2- and 3-clause license, both compatible with gpl. and original bsd (4-clause) license is not compat with gpl [23:49] I also thought it was a version number, but now I found out it isn't [23:51] its not? [23:51] :( [23:51] that extension doesnt include a license at all im seeing [23:51] gnomefreak: no means of what BSD license... then I think you have to ask one of the authors here: http://crypto.stanford.edu/PwdHash/#staff [23:52] jus tthe first block of one [23:54] can someone decide if we should leave ubuntu task on extensions since we are using firefox extensions i dont see a reason to leave ubuntu task there [23:56] "ubuntu task"? [23:57] it seems this package is incomplete since there is no license as seen here http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pwdhash [23:58] Volans: look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions/+bug/216892 it has 2 tasks one ubuntu other firefox extensions [23:58] Launchpad bug 216892 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] pwdhash" [Wishlist,Fix committed] [23:58] we shouldnt need ubuntu and should be removed once we change it to firefox extensions [23:58] clear!