[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone else getting no responce from packages,ubuntu.com search ?
[11:08] <hads> Looks like I can't reach it from here.
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ah well
[13:23] <ph8> hi all - i've just finished my degree! So now i can concentrate on ubuntu server a bit, i'm signed up on launchpad etc for a while now - i've got a strong background in server admin, php/perl/python webapps, database admin and other bits and pieces - anyone got any idea what i should start on? i'd love some mentoring if available
[13:23] <Birthday_Kaiser> wd :)
[13:24] <ph8> thanks :)
[13:24] <Birthday_Kaiser> what did you do it in?
[13:24] <ph8> Software Engineering
[13:24] <Birthday_Kaiser> fancy
[13:24] <Birthday_Kaiser> ;)
[13:24] <ph8> Computer science for two years then you specialise into agile methods and the like
[13:26] <Birthday_Kaiser> wd :)
[13:26] <ph8> do you work on server?
[13:27] <Birthday_Kaiser> no, i just use it at work
[13:28] <ph8> I use it on my machines also :)
[13:28] <ph8> love it, apart from all the initial hardy issues
[13:29] <ph8> Say, you don't know of anything that i can install on all my servers to enable a nice 'server online, uptime:, load:' type display on one terminal machine do you?
[13:29] <Birthday_Kaiser> not sure i follow exactly
[13:29] <ph8> a sort of status display for all your machines, but from your home pc, for example
[13:30] <ph8> presumably you'd need a special daemon or ssh login access to all machines for it to work
[13:31] <Birthday_Kaiser> i'm not aware off the top of my head
[13:32] <ph8> just something i fancied, might make one
[14:10] <ph8> hmm, i'm trying to install daily-current on a virtual machine (KVM) and the installer freezes at the language selection screen (not the first language selection screen, but the one in the installer itself) - any idea why? / how to install some other way?
[15:14] <Zyna> ehlo@all
[15:15] <bicz> moin
[15:15] <Zyna> deutsch?
[15:15] <Zyna> deutscher chan?
[15:16] <bicz> eheh
[15:16] <bicz> nain :)
[15:17] <Zyna> I'm in the process of setting up a postfix+dovecot with ssl/tls and am experiancing problems while getting amavis to work. when telnetting myself to send a testmail I get amavais: ACCESS DENIED FROM my.pub.ip, policy bank ' ' in /var/log/mail.log the messages then drops and never reaches the inbox... can anyone help?
[15:54] <axisys> if I change the date will it stick after the reboot?
[15:54] <axisys> ^ using date command that is
[15:54] <JanC> Zyna: I use postfix + dovecot + TLS/SSL, but I gave up on Amavis very fast
[15:55] <JanC> (I don't like software that I have to restart every day)
[15:55] <Zyna> what do you use instead?
[15:56] <JanC> nothing yet (my mail client(s) filter at least as good as any server could)
[15:58] <JanC> and I want to find a good solution for client <-> spam marking before I implement anything else
[15:58] <JanC> but I'm talking about a personal server of course
[15:59] <JanC> I mean "client <-> server spam marking"
[16:04] <JanC> I use bogofilter client-side, but I would like to implement it server-side, except there seems to be no easy way that I know to do so which integrates with common mail clients...
[16:06] <nandersson> Anybody knows how to get Eclipse 3.4 into Ubuntu 8.04 without breaking the repository?
[19:18] <todd_dsm> I was logging in today to see what the best method is for installing X/GNOME on the 8.04 Server, configuring, then removing the UI and going back to bash. I'm not quite to the place yet, with linux, where I can do it all from command line. I can't seem to dredge a howto from the forums. If anyone can help that would be awesome. Thanks!
[19:23] <ScottK-laptop> todd_dsm: The best method is don't, but if you really want to, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, do your stuff, sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, sudo apt-get autoremove.
[19:26] <todd_dsm> I understand that there are security concens heading down this road but I don't know what they are. Is installing the UI in this way, then uninstalling it, the (rough) equivalent to never having had it in the first place? Are the other cleanup tips, etc?
[19:26] <ScottK-laptop> Rough equivalent yes.
[19:27] <ScottK-laptop> It'll leave config files, but that should be about it.
[19:27] <ScottK-laptop> Any new users created will remain too.
[19:28] <todd_dsm> You sounded like you had a valid concern when advising not to. I hate to ask but could you elaborate a little more in this area. I do plan to remove the UI and be back to command line only after configuration.
[19:29] <ScottK-laptop> It's fine to do it, but it's better to learn how to manage your system without it.
[19:30] <ScottK-laptop> I found as I was learning the hard way that I gained a much better understanding of my systems and am a much better admin for it.
[19:31] <todd_dsm> I completely agree. I like knowing that a bash prompt on a server in my house will be similar to one as a server half way around the world: one skill set for all computers.
[19:32] <todd_dsm> I'm just trying to dump all of the windows stuff faster than my learning curve is allowing for my comfort.
[19:34] <emgent> heya dendrobates :)
[19:35] <todd_dsm> thanks for the help, now I have a plan. Cheers, mate!
[19:35] <emgent> ScottK-laptop: around ?
[19:36] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[19:36] <JanC> todd_dsm: if this is a local system, try the desktop version first, and once you feel comfortable enough on the commanline, do a reinstall
[19:37] <emgent> ScottK-laptop: We can backport libfprint, pam-fprint and fprint-demo in hardy?
[19:38] <ScottK-laptop> emgent: The packages don't currently exist in Hardy?
[19:38] <emgent> I backported this packages in ubuntu-flybook PPA for Hardy, but i`d like see it in Universe.
[19:38] <emgent> ScottK-laptop: only in intrepid
[19:39] <ScottK-laptop> emgent: So all the build-deps are present in Hardy?
[19:39] <emgent> sure
[19:39] <ScottK-laptop> !backports | emgent
[19:39] <todd_dsm> I always feel icky when I re-install. Reason being I'm in QA professionally. When I don't find proper root-cause, fix, and retest, I feel like I'm being lazy :) I also feel that, on a linux system, the learing will never end. I'm just trying to embrace the process in the right method.
[19:40] <ScottK-laptop> emgent: Report the backports bug, say they build, install, and run in the bug and then ping me.
[19:40] <emgent> i will open bug, thanks ScottK-laptop.
[19:42] <todd_dsm> I hope that didn't sound too snooty(?)
[19:43] <todd_dsm> thanks for the help - peace!
[19:43] <JanC> todd_dsm: the reason why I suggested a re-install was re-starting from a clean install
[19:44] <todd_dsm> I got you ;)
[19:44] <JanC> you can of course try what ScottK-laptop suggested (removing X etc.)
[19:44] <JanC> but it's never as "clean"
[19:45] <todd_dsm> ideally, I would like to go with the first method. realistically, I will probably end up using yours, lol
[19:45] <ScottK-laptop> todd_dsm: Generally reinstall isn't needed.  I've got systems upgraded 4 times now from since I switched to Ubuntu.
[19:45] <todd_dsm> I'm all about clean too ;)
[19:45] <JanC> there's nothing wrong with restarting after a trial period
[19:45] <ScottK-laptop> The only one I've had to reinstall due to a problem, I was explicitly doing something unsupported to see if it would work.
[19:46] <JanC> but like ScottK-laptop says, I generally do upgrades from whatever version was installed on a system  ツ
[19:46] <todd_dsm> that's good to know. I don't expect to be in undocumented/supported territory for a long while.
[19:46] <todd_dsm> roger that-
[19:47] <todd_dsm> thanks guys, I'm out
[19:53] <ScottK-laptop> sommer: I made some comments on your mail-spf-perl MIR.  Very good first effort.  Please keep going.
[19:54] <sommer> ScottK-laptop: cool thanks, I wasn't sure on the clamavspamassasin page who to assign it to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClamavSpamassassinInMain
[19:55] <nxvl> sommer: i was just about to write you an e-mail
[19:55] <ScottK-laptop> sommer: You, since you're doing it.
[19:55] <ScottK-laptop> That's to keep two people from working on the same one at the same time.
[19:56] <nxvl> sommer: for the next step, after augeas reach the archive i was going to make a call for lensers (people to write lenses) for which i'm writing a document on how to do it
[19:56] <sommer> ScottK-laptop: okay, maybe I'm confused about that... so the assinee is just the one writing the MIR?
[19:57] <ScottK-laptop> sommer: Yes.
[19:57] <sommer> ScottK-laptop: I guess I thought there was a packaging step to MIRs and since I'm not MOTU or coredev :)
[19:57] <ScottK-laptop> Nope.
[19:57] <sommer> ScottK-laptop: gotcha... that simplifies things, heh
[19:57] <ScottK-laptop> Once it's ready (get all the depends done first) you subscribe ubuntu-mir to the bug and they look at it.
[19:58] <sommer> nxvl: cool, I'm not sure how much time I'll have to jump into another major project, but I should have time to at least take a look at it
[19:58] <sommer> ScottK-laptop: I'll update the page... and work on more MIRs this week
[20:00] <ScottK-laptop> Great.
[20:00] <ScottK-laptop> Let me know if you have questions or want a review.
[20:00] <sommer> will do, thanks
[20:06] <nxvl> sommer: yes, i was just wondering on where did you usually have the development docs
[20:06] <nxvl> sommer: so i don't break the standard
[20:11] <sommer> nxvl: I think wiki.u.c would be fine for that kind of thing... then you can link it from you spec
[20:14] <nxvl> sommer: so, there is no order that i can break for that?
[20:15] <sommer> nxvl: not sure what you mean by "order"... basically any development type documentation is fine for wiki.u.c, but if it's more how to it might be better for help.u.c
[20:16] <sommer> and on second thought help.u.c/community is probably the better place :)
[20:16] <nxvl> well, since it's for developers i don't think it would fit in help.u.c
[20:17] <nxvl> and by "order" i mean the standard scructure
[20:17] <sommer> nxvl: but isn't it "how" to develop?  by saying wiki.u.c is for developers I meant the development of Ubuntu, not necassarily development in general
[20:18] <nxvl> so i was wondering if you have some kind of structure (i.e. wiki.u.c/ServerTeam/Augeas/Lenses) which i should use
[20:18] <nxvl> is how to write lenses
[20:18] <nxvl> which are augeas specific parsers files
[20:19] <sommer> nxvl: I't probably use help.u.c/community/AugeasLenses
[20:19] <sommer> errr I'd
[20:19] <nxvl> sommer: ok, i take a look
[20:19] <nxvl> :D
[20:19] <nxvl> thanks!
[20:19] <sommer> np
[20:19]  * nxvl HUGS sommer 
[21:22] <nxvl> \sh: have you upload lenov to you ppa?
[22:50] <belgacem23> howto install ubuntu server as a virtual machine with Virtual Box
[22:51] <belgacem23> the OS host is Windows Xp
[22:55] <JanC> belgacem23: just download the ubuntu server .iso?
[23:00] <belgacem23> I have downloaded Ubuntu-server-i386.iso ( 550.230.016 bytes), in text mode installation, the server is correctly installed as a virtual machine, but will not boot with the error message
[23:04] <belgacem23> " your CPU is not compatible with the kernel (0.6) " ?
[23:05] <belgacem23> I have a Pentium 4 CPU 3.0 Mhz and 1 GB of RAM splitted in two : 512 MB for the host and 512 MB for the guest OS (i.e : Ubuntu Server)
[23:06] <RoAkSoAx> belgacem23, try installing an older Ubuntu Server Version
[23:09] <belgacem23> Thanks, I will try to download Ubuntu Server 6.06 and install it.
[23:11] <JanC> every Ubuntu version I know has installed successfuly on a VM here ?
[23:12] <JanC> what host OS & VM software do you use?
[23:14] <belgacem23> I use Virtual Box 1.6.2 ( the last release from Sun ) as a VM Software and Windows XP SP2 as host operatin system.
[23:16] <belgacem23> I'am a student in informatic and I need to learn about the virtualization.
[23:16] <JanC> I've run Ubuntu 8.04 on Sun VBox 1.6.2 on WinXP SP2 last week, and it did work OOTB...
[23:19] <belgacem23> Actually I am studing about Windows Server 2003, and I wish to know an alternate SERVER.
[23:19] <belgacem23> I think that Ubuntu Server is a good choice.
[23:24] <belgacem23> I have run some versions of Ubuntu, 7.04, 7.10, the Solaris 10 , QNX, FreeBSD with the Virtual Box but I have not trayed to install them.
[23:24] <JanC> well, Ubuntu server has no GUI, which might be unusual for you, coming from Windows...
[23:25] <JanC> otherwise it should just work
[23:26] <JanC> (but I'm going to sleep now)
[23:26] <belgacem23> Good nigth !
[23:28] <belgacem23> Has anyone installed the Ubuntu Server 8.04 as a virtual machine with Virtual Box under Windows XP ?
[23:55] <belgacem23> Has anyone installed the Ubuntu Server 8.04 as a virtual machine with Virtual Box under Windows XP ?