[10:12] <Riddell> happy happy Monday
[10:33] <\sh> Riddell: happy? ok spain won..but my head is not happy today ;)
[10:49] <Xand3r> hi @ all
[10:49] <Xand3r> apachelogger: are you there?
[10:49] <Xand3r> are you here?^^
[10:50] <Riddell> hi Xand3r
[10:51] <Xand3r> hi Riddell i have a question, have you some time for me?
[10:51] <Riddell> what's the question?
[10:52] <Xand3r> i have a problem with the soname of a lib in my package
[10:52] <Xand3r> cause there is no soname
[10:53] <Xand3r> so how i can get one?
[10:53] <Riddell> I expect it means upstream doesn't want to give it one
[10:54] <Xand3r> ok, can i ignore that error?
[10:55] <Xand3r> or what have i to do?
[10:55] <Riddell> I expect so
[10:55] <Riddell> what's the library part of?
[10:56] <Xand3r> rubberband
[10:56] <Riddell> which is what?
[10:57] <Xand3r> maybe i dont got the question right
[10:57] <Riddell> what is rubberband?
[10:57] <smarter> hey there
[10:57] <Riddell> hi smarter
[10:57] <smarter> hey Riddell
[10:57] <smarter> his package is here: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=rubberband
[10:59] <Xand3r> for the changelog * FTBFS resolved with the patch from Gentoo
[10:59] <Xand3r> is that ok?
[11:00] <jussi01> rabbuerband home page: http://breakfastquay.com/rubberband/
[11:01] <Riddell> Xand3r: I always like to include the filename of the patch, so in future you know which one it refers to
[11:01] <Xand3r> ok
[11:03] <Xand3r>   * FTBFS solved with the rubberband-1.0.1-gcc43-ftbfs.patch from Gentoo
[11:03] <Riddell> perfect
[11:03] <Riddell> Xand3r: does anything make use of that rubberband library?
[11:04] <Xand3r> of course
[11:04] <Xand3r> much of programms use rubberband for example superlooper does
[11:05] <Riddell> hum, that really should be versioned then
[11:06] <Xand3r> how?
[11:06] <Xand3r> i will do it
[11:09] <Xand3r> smarter:  my new control http://paste.ubuntu.com/23920/
[11:09] <Xand3r> what dou you think about
[11:09] <Riddell> I think you'd need to ask upsteam
[11:09] <Xand3r> i included now the ehing with the dot
[11:10] <Riddell> their automake setup seems quite basic and I don't know how to add versioning to it
[11:10] <Riddell> and it depends on their versioning policy anyway
[11:10] <smarter> Xand3r: the "Audio time-stretching and pitch-shifting program - shared library" should be on the first line of the Description, not at the end
[11:10] <Riddell> it might be best to just ignore the .so and only create the -dev package
[11:10] <smarter> Xand3r: at the end you could put something like: "This package contains the shared library"
[11:11] <Riddell> the /usr/bin/rubberband app doesn't seem to actually use the .so
[11:11] <Xand3r> dont know
[11:12] <Xand3r> smarter: why saying two times it is shared library?
[11:13] <smarter> Xand3r: the first line of the description is used in the output of apt-cache search
[11:13] <smarter> the other lines are used when you do apt-cache show nameofthepackage
[11:13] <smarter> Xand3r: try apt-cache search firefox
[11:14] <Xand3r> ok i will do it
[11:15] <Xand3r> but i have to go to  the medic
[11:15] <Xand3r> thaks for help, i will come back soon, i hope
[11:15] <Xand3r> cya
[11:16] <smarter> bye
[11:38] <apachelogger> gmorning, gday, gevening, gnight
[11:38] <Nightrose> 'lo apachelogger :)
[11:39] <jpds> apachelogger: you been watcheing the Truman show?
[11:39] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:39] <apachelogger> no?
[11:39]  * apachelogger pokes \sh
[11:40]  * \sh is not online...only his body is watching...bug brain is dead ,)
[11:40] <apachelogger> meh
[11:41] <\sh> apachelogger: when it has something to do with leonov, please #leonov :)
[13:13] <Xand3r> back from the medic
[13:14]  * apachelogger hands Xand3r a cookie
[13:14] <Xand3r> thx
[13:15] <apachelogger> \sh: uscan would appreciate number-only-versions ... Newest version on remote site is 0.0.1, local version is 0.0.1a
[13:15] <\sh> apachelogger: uscan that brainfcked? ;)
[13:16] <\sh> apachelogger: i'll work on a different layout on releases.leonov.tv
[13:16] <apachelogger> \sh: well, just attach another diget
[13:16] <apachelogger> amaork also got 1.4.9.1 ;-)
[13:17] <Xand3r> scan is a good point, i need a copy program, only 3 things it just had to have, choos scanner choos printer, choos color and than the copy buton, is there somthing likthis
[13:19] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what do you think about the soname problem?
[13:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: mail upstream
[13:20] <Xand3r> ok
[13:20] <apachelogger> wanna include r in ubuntu... blah blah.... can't because no soname/version ... blah blah .... hope you can fix it ASAP .. blah blah ... cookies!
[13:20] <Xand3r> have i inform him about  the patch?
[13:21] <apachelogger> better it is
[13:21] <apachelogger> he could just do a new release featuring that patch and proper library versioning
[13:22] <Xand3r> ok
[13:30] <Xand3r> i have sended the mail
[13:30] <Xand3r> hope he answers soon
[13:32] <Xand3r> another problem i have installet an gtk-qt-kde4 engin but in the dayly build it seems not to work, why, apachelogger is the reason the dayly build?
[13:33] <apachelogger> different paths
[13:33] <apachelogger> you will have to compile the engine against neon
[13:34] <Xand3r> ok thx
[13:47] <Xand3r> apachelogger: do you know a stupid-save copy/scan program?
[13:47] <apachelogger> skanlite? :P
[13:47]  * apachelogger only scans on vista
[13:47] <Xand3r> available for hardy?
[13:47] <apachelogger> scanning on vista is luvly :D
[13:47] <apachelogger> Xand3r: probably
[13:48] <apachelogger> otherwise... you know how to build a package ;-)
[13:48] <Xand3r> apachelogger: .p
[13:51] <Xand3r> urg there is no one
[13:56] <Xand3r> apachelogger: is sanlite a qt or an kde app
[13:56] <apachelogger> kde
[13:57] <apachelogger> Xand3r: dood
[13:57] <apachelogger> Xand3r: didn't you work on that?
[13:57] <apachelogger> Xand3r: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skanlite-kde4
[13:59] <Xand3r> ooohh
[13:59] <Xand3r> i remember^^
[13:59] <Xand3r> gosh my brain lost things i done a day befor
[14:01] <apachelogger> happens from time to time
[14:01] <Xand3r> no
[14:01] <Xand3r> every day
[14:01]  * JontheEchidna tosses Xand3r the notes plasmoid and cookies
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:02] <Xand3r> thx
[14:02] <Xand3r> cookies are good
[14:03] <Xand3r> apachelogger: there is a problem, the person who needs this program has kde3
[14:06] <Riddell> use kooka
[14:07] <apachelogger> well
[14:07] <Riddell> works for me
[14:07] <apachelogger> kooka is horrible broken
[14:07] <Riddell> I've never had any problems from it
[14:07] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:08]  * apachelogger never heard a good thing about kooka from his friends
[14:08] <Xand3r> Riddell: for you not for my mum, she need a program where you  choos scanner, choos printer, choos color and than the copy buton, is there somthing like this?
[14:09] <Riddell> not that I know of
[14:09] <Xand3r> sad
[14:10] <Xand3r> if i hade knowled about a programlanguage an qt i would creat one, but i dont have
[14:18] <jussi01> Xand3r: surely kooka cant be that hard - it asks which scanner on start up, you click preview, select the area/leave it for the whole thing, the click final scan
[14:20] <Xand3r> jussi01: i know, but people who dont work the hole day on a computer, are iritate of every sympol button and text they dont need
[14:20] <Xand3r> so i search a realy easy on
[14:20] <jussi01> dont some of the image editors have an "acquire" ?
[14:21] <Xand3r> jussi01: acquire?
[14:23] <jussi01> Xand3r: yes, in some image editing programs there is an acquire in the menu, where you can say from scanner, and it gives you a dialogue to scan
[14:23] <Xand3r> hmm i dont know, i have to teach the person using kooka
[14:41] <Xand3r> apachelogger: kooka is realy... you know, em dou you know some one who may be could creat suche a program?
[14:51] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:51] <apachelogger> Xand3r: mail the skanlite author(s)
[14:51] <apachelogger> if someone is goint to creat such an application it will be for kde4 anyway
[14:53] <Xand3r> hmmm, but i need a kde3 app, so i dont waste theire time
[14:55] <Xand3r> apachelogger: has skanlite a projekt homepage?
[14:55] <apachelogger> Xand3r: do I look like google? :P
[14:56] <Xand3r> maybe _p
[14:56] <Xand3r> .p
[14:59] <Xand3r> i have an hour time, what could i do?
[15:00] <Xand3r> apachelogger: please have a look in the query
[15:02] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:02] <Xand3r> hi nixternal
[15:06] <nixternal> howdy
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> So does anybody from Kubuntu read the ubuntu-art list?
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> Or is there a better way to send art submissions to kubuntu?
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/oxyconnex-06.jpg
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/oxyconnex2.png
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Connections?content=84047
[15:12] <Riddell> we're not really looking for submissions for intrepid since the plan is to go with KDE's artwork
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> Ok, the default theme is nice anyway. :)
[15:19] <Arby>  Riddell: around?
[15:19] <Arby> Riddell: I'm back to trying to sort out kdepim-dev
[15:20] <Riddell> hi Arby
[15:20] <Arby> having rebuilt my broken chroot
[15:20] <Arby> I'm getting blocked on uninstallable dependencies
[15:20] <Arby> specifically mysql-server-5.0
[15:20] <Arby> which stops akonadi from installing
[15:21] <Riddell> what's uninstallable about it?
[15:21] <Arby> hang on let me pastebin the output
[15:23] <Arby> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23968/
[15:24] <Arby> basically the initscript fails for an unknown reason
[15:24] <Riddell> rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst
[15:24] <Arby> success!
[15:24] <Arby> thanks
[15:25] <Arby> that just leaves kdelibs5-dev
[15:25] <Arby> which eventually goes back to
[15:25] <Arby> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:25] <Arby>   libgnutls-dev: Depends: libgnutls13 (= 2.0.4-1ubuntu2) but 2.0.4-1ubuntu2.1 is to be installed
[15:25] <Arby> after much dependency chasing
[15:26] <Arby> it looks like that should be '>=' rather than just '>'
[15:27] <Arby> what can I do other than rebuild libgnutls13 ?
[15:28] <Riddell> Arby: are you on amd64?
[15:28] <Arby> no
[15:32] <Arby> hmm, I think remove and reinstall has fixed it
[15:32] <Arby> waiting for stuff to finish installing
[15:47]  * Arby commences building kdepim. back in 3 days
[17:17] <apachelogger> jussi01: can you please testbuild quassel on gutsy and feisty for bug 243890
[18:02] <james_w> apachelogger: hi, are you around?
[18:04] <apachelogger> hey james_w
[18:04] <james_w> hey
[18:05] <james_w> I'm looking at the amarok packaging, would you have a minute for a couple of questions?
[18:05] <apachelogger> sure
[18:06] <james_w> I'm looking at the diff to Debian, and there's a few things that I can't work out, and that aren't explicitly documented.
[18:06] <james_w> firstly the addition of python, python-qt3 and libqt0-ruby1.8 to Suggests.
[18:07] <apachelogger> necessary for the stock amarok scripts
[18:08] <james_w> so they would be applicable to Debian?
[18:08] <apachelogger> totally
[18:08] <james_w> cool, the next is "-   - Track "mood" display (requires moodbar package installed)"
[18:09] <james_w> from the description, the package is still suggested, so it seems that it's not that support has gone away, was it perhaps just a mistake during a merge that the line was removed?
[18:09] <apachelogger> !info moodbar
[18:09] <apachelogger> james_w: one moment please
[18:10] <ubott2> moodbar (source: moodbar): Analysis program for creating a colorful visual representation of an audio file. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.1.2-2ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 34 kB, installed size 168 kB
[18:10] <apachelogger> james_w: yes, merge mistake
[18:10] <james_w> cool, would you like a bug report for that?
[18:12] <apachelogger> not necessary, I just fixed it
[18:13] <james_w> great, thanks.
[18:13] <james_w> the last is the addition of the amarok-engine virtual package, is there another engine that the user may wish to install from elsewhere?
[18:15] <apachelogger> actually I think that can be dropped
[18:16] <apachelogger> wanted to hear some opinions on that, IMO a virtual package is pretty much pointless for the engines
[18:17] <apachelogger> since we need to require on specific -engine- packages, as the ABI tends to break for most releases
[18:17] <apachelogger> that said, the engines will disappear in amarok2 anyway, so...
[18:20] <james_w> actually I just found another little one. It seems from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308099 that symlinking amarokapp is not necessary any more.
[18:20] <ubott2> Debian bug 308099 in amarok "amarokapp doesn't belong into /usr/lib/amarok" [Important,Closed]
[18:22] <apachelogger> james_w: don't know about that one
[18:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you know why we link usr/bin/amarok to usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp?
[18:23] <james_w> from the changelog "Closes bugs #16474, #52360."
[18:24] <james_w> one of those mentions that Debian bug (or rather its duplicate)
[18:24] <james_w> and also one on bugs.kde.org.
[18:24] <ubott2> james_w: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/16474/+text)
[18:24] <ubott2> james_w: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The connect operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/52360/+text)
[18:24] <jussio1> wha?
[18:24] <jussio1> hrm
[18:25] <apachelogger> james_w: well I imagine we link due to compability reasons
[18:25] <apachelogger> amarokapp was literally placed in usr/lib/amarok/
[18:25] <apachelogger> while now it is in bin and we link to lib
[18:25] <apachelogger> I don't see a usecase though ;-)
[19:59] <milian-laptop> stdin: apachelogger told me that I should get in contact with you. I noticed that some KDE 4.1 packages (i.e. step-kde4) don't really include anything
[19:59] <milian-laptop> a dpkg -L yields only README, debian changelog and license
[19:59] <milian-laptop> all in /usr/share/doc/step-kde4
[19:59] <milian-laptop> that's it
[20:07] <stdin> milian-laptop: I probably messed something up, give me a min
[20:07] <milian-laptop> yes of course
[20:07] <milian-laptop> shall I check which packages are affected?
[20:07] <stdin> probably all of kdeedu
[20:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: we don't link usr/bin/amarok to usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp
[20:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah, we link /usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp to usr/bin/amarok
[20:18] <Riddell> which is probably just historical
[20:18] <apachelogger> 	ln -s /usr/bin/amarokapp debian/amarok/usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp
[20:25] <stdin> milian-laptop: ~ppa4 should fix it, probably published in around 40 mins
[20:26] <milian-laptop> ty stdin
[20:30] <milian-laptop> stdin: http://pastebin.com/m132da22e <-- this is a list of all the packages I have installed, which end on -kde4 and which do not have a binary with of that name (without trailing -kde4)
[20:30] <milian-laptop> there are some false positives in there
[20:30] <milian-laptop> i.e. meta packages
[20:31] <milian-laptop> maybe this is really only kdeedu - but I wanted to make sure
[20:53] <Arby> Riddell: finally got kdepim-dev sorted
[20:53] <Arby> everything builds properly
[20:54] <Arby> and the package is installable
[20:54] <Arby> given a bit of dependency chasing
[20:54] <Arby> files are in the usual place
[20:55] <Arby> my only concern is that I had to install libkdepim4 manually to keep shlibs happy
[20:55] <Arby> does that matter?
[20:57] <Riddell> that should be fine
[20:57] <Arby> good
[21:06] <Arby> Riddell: kopete-crypto done now as well.
[21:07] <Arby> Riddell: did anything else in extragear get done?
[21:07] <Arby> or can I just carry on at will
[21:21] <Riddell> Arby: done are kcoloredit  kfax  kgrab  kgraphviewer  kiconedit  kio-gopher  kmldonkey
[21:21] <Arby> ok I'll carry on with the rest then
[21:23] <Riddell> Arby: ah, we also have http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=skanlite
[21:24] <Arby> good, that's one less for me to do :)
[21:29] <Arby> Riddell: kpovmodeler done
[21:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: Anything else before I ask Chris to redirect the DNS?
[21:49] <Arby> Riddell: trying to merge kphotoalbum but blocked on a build-dep
[21:49] <Arby> Riddell: kphotoalbum build-deps on libkexif1-dev but
[21:49] <Arby> libkexif1-dev: Depends: kdelibs4-dev but it is not going to be installed
[21:50] <Arby> we already have kdelibs5-dev
[21:50] <Arby> and the two seem to be mutually exclusive
[21:50] <Arby> do we need to update libkexif1-dev?
[21:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: nevermind, I found something
[21:58] <Riddell> ryanakca: found something?  what you updated to the current articles?
[21:59] <Riddell> Arby: mm, I need to ponder what to do about those libraries
[21:59] <Riddell> there's new versions and they overlap somewhat
[21:59] <Arby> Riddell: ok, no rush
[22:00] <Arby> just let me know when we have a solution (or if you want me to package one)
[22:00] <Arby> I can work on something else in the meantime
[22:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: user uploaded images don't show up if you aren't logged in.
[22:20] <Riddell> ryanakca: how hard can it be to set up this website?
[22:20] <Riddell> (rhetorical)
[23:07] <vorian> o/ hello everyone :)
[23:17] <apachelogger> hey vorian
[23:17] <vorian> how are things?
[23:19] <apachelogger> Kayish, I'd say ;-)
[23:19] <apachelogger> vorian: when are you applying for MOTU?
[23:19] <vorian> apachelogger: mmmm, maybe after a few more uploads
[23:20] <apachelogger> hm
[23:20] <apachelogger> vorian: you could write an MIR ;-)
[23:20] <vorian> what's MIR?
[23:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess you didn't file one for libqca2-plugin-ossl yet
[23:20] <apachelogger> vorian: main inclusion report
[23:20] <apachelogger> vorian: necessary to get a package into main
[23:20] <vorian> hahaa
[23:21] <apachelogger> vorian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[23:21] <vorian> i was just about to say /me looks :D
[23:22] <vorian> these are for each of the main KDE packages?
[23:22] <apachelogger> vorian: pardon?
[23:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's that for?
[23:23] <vorian> apachelogger: i was wondering which package I should write a MIR for :)
[23:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: ssl jabber
[23:23] <apachelogger> the new version of libqca-tsl
[23:23] <apachelogger> tls
[23:24] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportQCATLS?highlight=%28qca%29
[23:24] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qca2-plugin-ossl
[23:24] <apachelogger> vorian: the last url
[23:24] <vorian> i see
[23:26] <apachelogger> actually -tls can be moved to universe http://paste.ubuntu.com/24094/
[23:26] <apachelogger> no main dependencies anymore
[23:28] <apachelogger> oh boy, I choose disconnected imap
[23:28]  * apachelogger headdesks
[23:29] <vorian> :(