[00:00] <syntaxblack> awww.... dang it
[00:04] <syntaxblack> anyone here using KBFX?
[00:05] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: what is it?
[00:06] <syntaxblack> im trying to install a theme and KBFX replaces the start bar with a better one
[00:06] <syntaxblack> but i click apply and there is no difference
[00:06] <syntaxblack> i restart the pc and the theme still wont apply
[00:06] <vscareinco> hmmmm
[00:06] <syntaxblack> really random
[00:06] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: when do you click apply. Thought you'd just add it like a panel?
[00:07] <vscareinco> is there a specific way I need to do something to get help or do i just ask?
[00:07] <ActionParsnip> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76746
[00:07] <syntaxblack> k reading the link now
[00:08] <vscareinco> ummmm.... here is my link for the thread i started and couldnt really get too much help
[00:08] <vscareinco> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=841837
[00:08] <vscareinco> after like 2 days
[00:09] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: its in the repos
[00:09] <syntaxblack> im using the 64 version of ubuntu
[00:09] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: me too, i just installed it
[00:09] <syntaxblack> and it didnt work?
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> just playing
[00:11] <syntaxblack> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Azenis?content=77150 heres the theme anyways
[00:11] <syntaxblack> mmm.... shiny
[00:11] <francisco> hola
[00:11] <syntaxblack> ahoy
[00:12] <vscareinco> So can anyone help?
[00:12] <syntaxblack> this is so random
[00:12] <syntaxblack> its like kubuntu is trying to fight everything that customises it
[00:13] <syntaxblack> its being a fashion facist
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: kde4 is stil weird
[00:15] <vscareinco> Can I get help plaease?
[00:16] <syntaxblack> wont KBFX work with you either?
[00:16] <nitin> is it necessary to remove the old version of a program before compiling the new version of it?
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: http://www.kbfx.org/article.php?story=20070712043221481
[00:16] <syntaxblack> extragear?
[00:17] <syntaxblack> i guess thats in the add/remove programs
[00:17] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: install kde-extras
[00:18] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/kde-extras
[00:19] <nitin> vscarenico: what's the problem?
[00:19] <syntaxblack> woah
[00:20] <syntaxblack> big package
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: you want it
[00:20] <syntaxblack> installing now
[00:20] <syntaxblack> ....
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: i installed it but cant find how to get the menu thingy
[00:20] <syntaxblack> that installed dang quick
[00:21] <syntaxblack> yeah its a pickly pickle
[00:21] <syntaxblack> hmmm....
[00:21] <syntaxblack> well
[00:21] <syntaxblack> i tried shouting at it
[00:21] <syntaxblack> that didnt work
[00:22] <ced_> im a bit new to linux, what's the type of file that is a ".bat" file in windows?
[00:22] <ced_> or am i searching in the wrong direction..
[00:22] <syntaxblack> ive been using linux.... for 1 hour
[00:23] <syntaxblack> first and most important thing
[00:23] <syntaxblack> make it pretty
[00:23] <syntaxblack> :D
[00:23] <ced_> syntaxblack: i use it a bit longer, though i would like to use the more advanced funtions to setup a gameserver.
[00:23] <syntaxblack> i want to as well
[00:23] <ced_> i used copmiz, but my ati card doesnt like it ^^
[00:23] <syntaxblack> but....
[00:24] <ced_> *compiz.
[00:24] <syntaxblack> my router came straight out of satans bottom
[00:24] <ced_> lol
[00:24] <ced_> lemme guess, speedtouch?
[00:24] <ced_> sitecom?
[00:24] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: id suggest installing yakuake and run stuff there, much faster
[00:24] <syntaxblack> it wont portforward no matter how much you try and bribe it with cake
[00:24] <ced_> try pie.
[00:24] <ced_> ^^
[00:24] <syntaxblack> hmmm
[00:25] <syntaxblack> you could be onto something there
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: cli is the way and the power
[00:25] <ced_> anyway, is there some kind of file in linux that is like ".bat" in windows?
[00:25] <syntaxblack> um....
[00:25] <syntaxblack> sh?
[00:25] <ced_> hm.
[00:25] <syntaxblack> oh wait no.... hmmm
[00:26] <ced_> a bit difficult: i want to install a SRCDS gmod server on linux, it needs wine.
[00:26] <ced_> and thus i thought if i did the same thing on linux, it would work.
[00:26] <syntaxblack> i bet im going to break my install on linux about 5 times
[00:26] <ced_> you have a ati card in your pc?
[00:26] <syntaxblack> better make a live cd of my settings once every 30 mins
[00:26] <ced_> you have a ati card in your pc?
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: id try and get an efficient sytem with what you need then worry about gloss later
[00:27] <syntaxblack> nvidia
[00:27] <ced_> k
[00:27] <syntaxblack> ....
[00:27] <syntaxblack> i got fat ass pc
[00:27] <ced_> syntaxblack: thats OK then, ati doesnt like linux ^.^
[00:27] <syntaxblack> it has cup holders
[00:27] <ced_> at least, for me it didnt
[00:27] <ced_> woot lol
[00:27] <syntaxblack> and a warp drive
[00:28] <ced_> start trerk o.o
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: its only as fast as its configuration
[00:28] <ced_> doh.
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: i bet i could run a pc faster with proper config
[00:28] <ced_> its 1.28AM here, excuse me for my grammar XD
[00:28] <syntaxblack> well its running fairly fast
[00:28] <syntaxblack> kubuntu loads up faster than ubuntu did for some reason
[00:29] <syntaxblack> oh well
[00:29] <ced_> actionparsnip, i bet you know how to make a bat file work in wine :-3
[00:29] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: it can be faster, but as a linux newb you accept defaults. if you dig further you can get extra horse power and save space but you seem tie to gloss
[00:29] <syntaxblack> all in good time
[00:29] <ActionParsnip> ced_: it would only run on the scope of wine, it depends what its intention is
[00:29] <syntaxblack> the thing is
[00:30] <ced_> i want to install a SRCDS server. its windows based, so it needs wine
[00:30] <syntaxblack> im a vj and dj soo.... it better have some vj software
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> !audacity | syntaxblack
[00:30] <ced_> the thing is, it needs dos-based code lines to operate
[00:30] <syntaxblack> i think lives does vjing
[00:30] <syntaxblack> no...
[00:30] <syntaxblack> vjing
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: id get audigy for music creatrion
[00:30] <syntaxblack> not djing
[00:31] <ActionParsnip> and audacity
[00:31] <syntaxblack> video mixing :D
[00:31] <ActionParsnip> :D
[00:31] <ActionParsnip> oh, so not really creating
[00:31] <ced_> you dont know how, actionparsnip?
[00:31] <syntaxblack> i do video projection mayo 3d nonsense
[00:31] <ActionParsnip> ive not looked into that myslef
[00:31] <syntaxblack> its fun
[00:31] <syntaxblack> but your better off with pioneer DVJ's
[00:32] <syntaxblack> if you crap gold bars though
[00:32] <ced_> sorry if im pushy, its a bit too late for me to be still up lol.
[00:32] <syntaxblack> which i dont unfortunatly
[00:32] <pigeon``> how can i have like a little popup and the bottom of my screen when someone write me in pidgin?
[00:32] <ActionParsnip> you can do video mixing with a midrange pc
[00:32] <syntaxblack> indeed
[00:32] <syntaxblack> if your clevah
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> pigeon``: http://gaim-libnotify.sourceforge.net/
[00:33] <syntaxblack> and right now im just poking around lives
[00:33] <syntaxblack> looks like it will do the job
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: you just need a payer and a library of videos, then queue them in a playlist
[00:33] <ced_> doh, im being ignored.
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> ced_: sup?
[00:33] <pigeon``> oh i need a plugin ok ok thx
[00:33] <syntaxblack> well you really need a way to trigger them with a mpc
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> pigeon``: pretty much
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: trigger them?
[00:34] <syntaxblack> yeah
[00:34] <ced_> i need to know how to feed a .exe with dos-based code lines in linux, through wine .
[00:34] <syntaxblack> with midi controller
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: like a remote control?
[00:34] <syntaxblack> well...
[00:34] <syntaxblack> akai drum pad
[00:34] <syntaxblack> or midi piano
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> ced_: so you want to run an exe with extra switches?
[00:34] <ced_> yeah!
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: yeah you can do that with a mid range pc
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> ced_: ok no problem
[00:35] <syntaxblack> well im a cgi student so...
[00:35] <syntaxblack> i need beef
[00:35] <syntaxblack> man beef
[00:35] <ced_> syntaxblack: you can do everything on a basic PC with linux, as long as it doesnt require intesive calculations.
[00:35] <syntaxblack> maya = intensive calculations
[00:36] <ced_> for that you need a better pc, i guess. it would still run, but just slower.
[00:36] <syntaxblack> well i custom built mine
[00:36] <ced_> anyway, actionparsnip, do you know how?
[00:36] <syntaxblack> so its all good
[00:36] <ced_> k
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: yes forcgi you need power, for the video thing you simply need storage and enough power to decode the video
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> ced_: just searching
[00:36] <ced_> doh.
[00:37] <syntaxblack> and a good piece of software to trigger it
[00:37] <ced_> thats what im doing right now ^^
[00:37] <syntaxblack> but.... the best vj tool for linux is on dynebolic
[00:37] <syntaxblack> which is shite
[00:37] <syntaxblack> or opensuse
[00:37] <syntaxblack> which got a bad review on the latest version
[00:37] <ced_> yug suse, so uberdeutsch lol.
[00:38] <syntaxblack> i dont get the point in suse
[00:38] <ced_> its big, and has a cameleon lol.
[00:38] <syntaxblack> its a company that is the ass slave of microsoft apparently
[00:38] <syntaxblack> well...
[00:38] <syntaxblack> you can rip the suse theme and whack it into kubuntu
[00:38] <syntaxblack> there you go
[00:38] <syntaxblack> suse
[00:38] <ced_> its owned by novell ^^
[00:38] <syntaxblack> without the suck
[00:38] <syntaxblack> actually
[00:39] <syntaxblack> i might do that
[00:39] <syntaxblack> i founda nice suse black theme
[00:39] <ced_> no!
[00:39] <ced_> use COMPIZ!
[00:39] <ced_> MUCH better.
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> compiz is worthless
[00:39] <ced_> NO!
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> gets old VERY quiickly
[00:39] <syntaxblack> plus i like the word suse appearing on my screen when i boot up my pc in black and orange
[00:39] <ced_> unless you have a shitty videocard
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> ced_: I can run it fine, I just choose not to
[00:39] <ced_> thats your call ^^
[00:40] <syntaxblack> suse.... sounds like a fruity choclate bare
[00:40] <ced_> i love it.
[00:40] <ced_> but not for servers.
[00:40] <syntaxblack> mmm....
[00:40] <syntaxblack> choclate
[00:40] <nitin> sytaxblack: how do i get that black suse theme
[00:40] <ced_> llol.
[00:40] <syntaxblack> hang on
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> ced_: why not servers?
[00:40] <syntaxblack> ill try and find it
[00:40] <nitin> i've also tried suse, but found it bulky
[00:41] <ced_> actionparsnip: because, would you do that to a server? would you want a reliabilty machine with blingbling? lol
[00:41] <ced_> a server needs performance, and stability.
[00:41] <syntaxblack> http://www.kde-look.org go there and go nuts
[00:41] <ced_> and a good management.
[00:41] <syntaxblack> search for suse
[00:41] <syntaxblack> you get all kinds of dark orangy yummy things
[00:42] <Haza1> Evening folks. can someone recommend a good IRC client for Kubuntu?
[00:42] <syntaxblack> .
[00:42] <ced_> konversation!
[00:42] <ced_> lol
[00:42] <syntaxblack> :D
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> ced_: i just wouldnt bother. Ive got it on my torrent server / amarock player, accessed via XUL
[00:42] <ced_> im using that, never had problems with it.
[00:42] <Haza1> ced_: Its better than kopete?
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> Haza1: xchat, pidgin
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> !irc | Haza1
[00:42] <ced_> its standard installed in kUbuntu.
[00:42] <syntaxblack> i cant be bothered to install firefox because kompete seems fine
[00:42] <Haza1> I can't even talk to the server with this client! :)
[00:43] <ced_> lol.
[00:43] <syntaxblack> oh wait
[00:43] <syntaxblack> not kompete
[00:43] <syntaxblack> im talking arse
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: konqueror
[00:43] <syntaxblack> thats the one
[00:43] <syntaxblack> as you can see
[00:43] <syntaxblack> i am a very advanced user
[00:43] <syntaxblack> ...
[00:43] <syntaxblack> on windows
[00:43] <syntaxblack> :D
[00:43] <ced_> right.
[00:43] <ced_> me too ^^
[00:44] <syntaxblack> but....
[00:44] <ced_> thats why im learning linux
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> me 3.0
[00:44] <syntaxblack> i set fire to my windows xp
[00:44] <syntaxblack> i outright refuse to install it ever again
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> ive learned enough for my needs and love helping others
[00:44] <ced_> even though half my school is pro-microsft.
[00:44] <nitin> opera seems better,
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> nitin: flash is weird with linux and linux from what ive seen
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> i use it on my work lappy
[00:45] <syntaxblack> a guy brought a dell xps laptop in running linux with a fancy neon blue/black theme with kubuntu
[00:45] <syntaxblack> into my uni
[00:45] <ced_> firefox seems hapily cooperating with flash under linux ^^
[00:45] <syntaxblack> no one in the class heard of linux
[00:45] <Haza1> Yeah.. Konversation looks a little better
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: you can make it look however you want
[00:45] <syntaxblack> no one at all
[00:45] <ced_> doh, im getting slow.
[00:45] <syntaxblack> he showed us it on a projector
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: my uni dual booted Win2000 and redhat 7
[00:45] <ced_> brb.
[00:46] <syntaxblack> my entire uni is on mac osx
[00:46] <syntaxblack> which i hate
[00:46] <syntaxblack> cause it hurts my eyes
[00:46] <syntaxblack> ow
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> Haza1: I run pidgin due to me chatting on sametime, msn, googletalk and irc
[00:46] <syntaxblack> to much white
[00:46] <Haza1> syntaxblack: Some kind of design uni or something?
[00:46] <syntaxblack> white everywhere
[00:46] <syntaxblack> art uni
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: change it
[00:46] <nitin> Acion: since i'm on a slow dialup, i don't bother about flash or watching videos, so opera seems fast on my pc
[00:46] <Haza1> ActionParsnip: Thats the same reson i liked Kopete
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: you can change you r own environment surely
[00:46] <Haza1> syntaxblack: I guessed as much
[00:46] <syntaxblack> yeah well
[00:46] <syntaxblack> thats why im a a/v performance artist
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: you cant hate an OS due to the frontend, thats just childish
[00:47] <syntaxblack> the os is fine
[00:47] <syntaxblack> the front end burns my eyeballs
[00:47] <Haza1> ActionParsnip: excatly!! you have to hate it for the lack of left click / right click ;)
[00:47] <syntaxblack> though
[00:47] <ced_> bk.
[00:47] <syntaxblack> you can right click
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> Haza1: theres mac key + click
[00:47] <syntaxblack> i found out by accident
[00:48] <Haza1> Not on the nachines i used a couple of years back
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> or whatever
[00:48] <Haza1> silly little round mice with one button
[00:48] <syntaxblack> no the mouse does right click
[00:48] <syntaxblack> when it feels like it
[00:48] <syntaxblack> you got a trick it
[00:48] <Haza1> Then again i think it was MacOs 7 i was using at the time
[00:48] <ced_> any1 knows how to get extra switches working in windows software (.exe) through wine?
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> Haza1: its basically an OS for retards as far as I can see
[00:48] <syntaxblack> well....
[00:48] <Haza1> ActionParsnip: lol!!
[00:48] <syntaxblack> its got good stable software
[00:48] <Haza1> ActionParsnip: And designers ;)
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> Haza1: with overpriced hardware.....But it looks nice
[00:49] <syntaxblack> i have a macbook pro with a black frontend theme
[00:49] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: if you like it, install freeBDS or OpenBSD, same deal
[00:49] <syntaxblack> i found a way to hack the theme
[00:49] <ced_> actionparsnip: no wonder one of the macbooks is the best windows laptop somehow >.<
[00:49] <Haza1> ActionParsnip: Tats what its all about eh? With my Mac Air, IpoD and Itunes shoved up my a**
[00:49] <syntaxblack> i prefer linux
[00:49] <Haza1> :D
[00:49] <Haza1> *tats/Thats
[00:49] <ced_> i DO like the iPod.
[00:49] <syntaxblack> the ipod is good
[00:49] <syntaxblack> lasts for days without recharging
[00:49] <ced_> got one myself, 8GB nano video..
[00:49] <ActionParsnip> i dislike ipod, so much more out there
[00:49] <syntaxblack> iphone
[00:49] <Haza1> syntaxblack: If you like Mac's im sure it is ;)
[00:50] <syntaxblack> now thats a piece of shit
[00:50] <Haza1> oh yes! the IPhone too
[00:50] <ced_> im getting a little smell of "offtopic" here lol..
[00:50] <syntaxblack> that thing is completely useless
[00:50] <syntaxblack> its just bling
[00:50] <ced_> i have a nokia 3120, it serves me FINE
[00:51] <syntaxblack> psp is bling bling as well
[00:51] <syntaxblack> would be nice if there were some games for it
[00:51] <ced_> quad band, poly tones, just the basic needs, and 4weeks of battery life,
[00:51] <ced_> and it never failed.
[00:51] <syntaxblack> i wonder if gpx are still going
[00:51] <syntaxblack> now that thing looked fun
[00:51] <ced_> not even when i accedentaly dropped it in front of a bus.
[00:52] <ced_> coach.
[00:52] <syntaxblack> best gadget of all though i have to say
[00:52] <syntaxblack> hands down
[00:52] <syntaxblack> The Game Gear
[00:52] <Haza1> syntaxblack: :)
[00:52] <syntaxblack> that thing
[00:52] <syntaxblack> was
[00:52] <syntaxblack> the
[00:52] <ced_> you heard of that new OCZ device?
[00:52] <syntaxblack> SHIT
[00:53] <ced_> the neural impuls actuator.
[00:53] <Haza1> syntaxblack: Just don't tilt the screen ;)
[00:53] <syntaxblack> ah never tilt the screen
[00:53] <ced_> i mean WTF (sorry, so true..)
[00:53] <Haza1> The Gameboy however....
[00:53] <syntaxblack> gameboy was cool but its wasnt called the GAME GEAR!
[00:54] <ced_> i have a DS :-3
[00:54] <nitin> what is zlib, tcl.h and tk.h
[00:54] <syntaxblack> i gave my ds to my mate and my psp to my dad
[00:54] <nitin> i need these to compile scid
[00:54] <ced_> zlib is a form of compression.
[00:54] <syntaxblack> i give up on portable gaming
[00:54] <ced_> for http protocol.
[00:54]  * Haza1 hasn't owned a game machine since the PS1
[00:54] <ActionParsnip> get a nokia 6230. Booya!
[00:54] <Haza1> Even my PC is a pile of junk!
[00:54] <ced_> i have a 3120!
[00:54] <ced_> YAY.
[00:54] <nitin> how can i install it, ced?
[00:54] <ced_> adept, i guess.
[00:55] <ActionParsnip> and what does WAP stand for.....Where Are the Phones
[00:55] <syntaxblack> neo geo emulator............ since i installed that i dont need a ps3
[00:55] <Haza1> I was quite enjoying Pingu's to be honest
[00:56] <syntaxblack> i just need 10 spare fighting sicks
[00:56] <Haza1> then i found there was only "Tutorial Island" :(
[00:56] <nitin> ced: and what are those tcl.h and tk.h
[00:56] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: get a copy of mamix with a usb stick full of roms and a proper cabinet
[00:56] <ced_> WAP = Wireless Acces Point?
[00:56] <ActionParsnip> wap == wireless acceess protocol
[00:56] <ced_> nitin: dunno, sorry.
[00:56] <syntaxblack> wipe ass please
[00:56] <ced_> actionparsnip: whatever ^^
[00:57] <ced_> syntaxblack, through your screen. RIGHT..
[00:57] <ced_> not doing it anyway.
[00:57] <syntaxblack> yep
[00:57] <anabelle> hello
[00:57] <ced_> sup.
[00:57] <nitin> ced: i looke at adept, there is zlib-bin and other zlib*, which one should i install
[00:57] <anabelle> im trying a LiveCD in a PC with LCD monitor
[00:57] <ActionParsnip> ced_: http://www.winehq.org/site/docs/wineusr-guide/running-wine
[00:57] <anabelle> and it looks awful
[00:57] <ActionParsnip> anabelle: it will its not configured
[00:57] <anabelle> like losts of horizontal -wrong alined lines
[00:58] <ced_> ask someone more experienced, nitin, sorry.
[00:58] <anabelle> actionparsnip
[00:58] <anabelle> how can i configure it?
[00:58] <anabelle> i installed it using wubi and it looked awful too
[00:58] <ActionParsnip> anabelle: you could modify your xorg.conf but settings will be lost when you reboot
[00:59] <anabelle> yeah i tried
[00:59] <ced_> typ ctrl+alt+F5 , see if you like that better. (ctrl+alt+F7 to go back,.)
[00:59] <anabelle> but dunno what to add
[00:59] <ActionParsnip> anabelle: thats what you need to do
[00:59] <anabelle> hsync vsync?????????
[00:59] <anabelle> je ne sais pas
[00:59] <ActionParsnip> anabelle: do you need video drivers in wubi? i dont use wubi. I always install native
[00:59] <ced_> tu francaise? lol.
[00:59] <anabelle> i neverd used it before either
[01:00] <nitin> ced: ok
[01:00] <ActionParsnip> anabelle: i think yuo need toresearch
[01:00] <anabelle> ced_ un peu
[01:00] <ced_> je ete hollandais, sorry lol.
[01:00] <anabelle> can you help me :'(
[01:00] <anabelle> i don't know what to search for
[01:00] <ced_> just multi culti.....................................................................................(stfu ced.)
[01:00] <ActionParsnip> anabelle: i dunno if wubi needs grphics drivers or not as I dont know how it interfaces with the video card
[01:00] <anabelle> "messed up screen" just doesn't return the info i need.
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> anabelle: it could be native or a virtual card, i simply dont know
[01:01] <anabelle> its native
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> anabelle: ok, what graphics card do you have?
[01:01] <anabelle> lspci right?
[01:01] <ced_> hmm, gtg people, if i go sleep now, i might just get enough sleep for work tommorow (6AM)...
[01:01] <anabelle> i'll check
[01:01] <ced_> cya..
[01:02] <anabelle> au revoir ced_
[01:02] <anabelle> :P
[01:02] <ced_> au revoir. lol
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> anabelle: id run lspci
[01:04] <anabelle> i tried to start in safe graphics mode and it didn't work
[01:04] <anabelle> it rebooted
[01:04] <syntaxblack> ...........
[01:04] <syntaxblack> theres a nintentdo ds emulator
[01:04] <syntaxblack> in the kubuntu add/remove programs
[01:05] <syntaxblack> i guess linux flips one off at the big corp giants then
[01:05] <syntaxblack> :D
[01:05] <ActionParsnip> itll be an emulator but wont have the bios'
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> as they are copyrighted
[01:06] <syntaxblack> yeah but we know what they are getting at
[01:06] <anabelle> i tried without safe graphics and it rebooted also :'(
[01:06] <anabelle> now im scared!!!
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> its like openttd, you need the original game files
[01:07] <syntaxblack> whoa a mud client
[01:07] <syntaxblack> hmmm.....
[01:07] <syntaxblack> should i or shouldnt i
[01:07] <syntaxblack> people still play mud games?
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: indeed
[01:07] <syntaxblack> wow
[01:07] <anabelle> what may be happening??!
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: mud games are as old as irc... ;)
[01:07] <anabelle> :'(
[01:08] <anabelle> pleae help
[01:08] <syntaxblack> i might give it a go
[01:08] <syntaxblack> ill play the old classic orignial mud 2
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> anabelle: id reinstall. I know nothing of wubi. I disagree with VMs
[01:08] <syntaxblack> mmmm.... old
[01:08] <syntaxblack> i got a sudden urge to play zork
[01:08] <syntaxblack> i wish i still had my cousins spectrum
[01:09] <anabelle> no im not using wubi now
[01:09] <anabelle> im using a regular LiveCD
[01:09] <anabelle> and it doesn't start
[01:09] <anabelle> t reboots
[01:09] <anabelle> again and again
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: spectrum was ace
[01:09] <syntaxblack> either that or the amstrad
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> anabelle: you may need to edit the boot to disable some boot options like acpi or dma
[01:10] <syntaxblack> but im only 19 so i can only dream about what those days must be like
[01:10]  * ActionParsnip is 28
[01:10] <syntaxblack> i wanna travel back in time and see what it would be like to get a spectrum for your birthday
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> JOYYY!
[01:10] <syntaxblack> joy
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> and connecting to the web with 56k
[01:11] <syntaxblack> and tape loading areas
[01:11] <syntaxblack> the spectrum had a modem?
[01:11] <syntaxblack> errors*
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> tapes were mint, yeah, telnet was the way
[01:11] <syntaxblack> seriously?
[01:11] <suwro> hello
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> !hi | suwro
[01:11] <syntaxblack> i dont belive the 48k spectrum had a modem
[01:11] <syntaxblack> omg
[01:11] <syntaxblack> thats adorable
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: the 128k one did
[01:12] <syntaxblack> could you play mud on it?
[01:12] <syntaxblack> like a real mmorpg mud game?
[01:13] <syntaxblack> omg..... playing on a spectrum on a tiny old tv in a dark bedroom
[01:13] <ActionParsnip> http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/computers/zxspectrum/spec_su0787.htm
[01:13] <suwro> can pppoe be configured with kppp ???
[01:14] <syntaxblack> what the hell would you do with a spectrum connected to the internet?
[01:14] <syntaxblack> text adventure games?
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: communicate with banks, telnet for email
[01:15] <syntaxblack> awww............
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: cat on irc
[01:15] <syntaxblack> no games then
[01:15] <nitin> ubottu: how do i install zlib
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: im sure theres text games
[01:15] <syntaxblack> oh well irc is one thing
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> suwro: not sure dude, i think so. never done it
[01:15] <syntaxblack> did u ever go on a irc on a spectrum?
[01:16] <suwro> ok. what do i need to make network-manager handle pppoe ?
[01:16] <suwro> all I could find on ggl. was some pppoe for NM but gnome versions.
[01:17] <ActionParsnip> suwro: you can install gnome libs if you dont mind a little bloat
[01:17] <nitin> how do i install zlib
[01:17] <suwro> hmm no kde pppoe cfg?
[01:17] <ActionParsnip> syntaxblack: no i was about 9 or 10 when we had it
[01:17] <ActionParsnip> suwro: i dunno, ive never used it. Ive always used ethernet
[01:18] <suwro> I use wireless most of the time - but now i need pppoe over my wireless connection...
[01:18] <ActionParsnip> suwro: like a vpn?
[01:19] <suwro> no wireless with EAP/TLS enterprise with TKIP and MSCHAPv2 - also for auth need pppoe - user/pass on both
[01:19] <suwro> wpa_supplicant / pppoe.
[01:20] <ActionParsnip> im gonna have to split guys, its late and im up soon
[01:20] <ActionParsnip> suwro: try in #ubuntu as well man
[01:20] <ActionParsnip> peace out kids
[01:20] <suwro> I've made it manually but when wlan0 is on /etc/network/interfaces network-manager ignore it.
[01:21] <syntaxblack> see ya
[01:30] <nitin> tcl.h and tk.h from where can i get these files to be able to compile scid
[01:34] <MachinatorSyver> how do I manually unmount a cd drive from konsole, it wont let me eject or unmount from kde or the button on the cd drive
[01:35] <MachinatorSyver> error msg is:
[01:35] <MachinatorSyver> Unfortunately, the device system:/media/scd0 (/dev/scd0) named 'Elements' and currently mounted at /media/scd0 could not be unmounted.
[01:35] <MachinatorSyver> The following error was returned by umount command:
[01:35] <MachinatorSyver> umount: only root can unmount /dev/scd0 from /media/scd0
[01:36] <Haza1> MachinatorSyver: try a sudo unmount
[01:36] <Jucato> MachinatorSyver: try "sudo umount /media/scd0"
[01:38] <MachinatorSyver> thanks, I was trying the command unmount rather than umount
[01:38] <Jucato> nitin: tcl8.5-dev and tk8.5-dev
[01:46] <nitin> by looking at makefile, is it possible to know what should be edited
[01:48] <nitin> wouldn't it be better if ubuntu included all the packages that are essential to compile a program?
[01:49] <szakulec> unless you include everything (which isn't always possible), it's hard to know what should go in and what doesn't
[01:50] <edju> Kaffeine is installed, and ran the install_css.sh script, so libdvdcss2 is installed, too.  However, Kaffeine will not play dvds - says it's encrypted.  Evidently, it doesn't recognize libdvdcss.  Solution?
[01:51] <Jucato> nitin: 1. why edit the Makefile. 2. no, you can't possibly have all the headers and source code installed.... unless you use a source-based distro
[01:51] <Jucato> !compile
[02:11]  * Haza has finally stopped sneezing
[02:14] <guy_> anyone using alpha-1 of 8.10?
[02:19] <Jucato> #ubuntu+1 for intrepid questions
[02:28] <MachinTrucChose> Hi
[02:29] <mr---t-> !hello
[02:29] <rysiek> hi all
[02:29] <MachinTrucChose> I clicked the wrong thing during the last Adept Updater run, basically I told it not to replace grub's menu.lst, and I want to undo that. Menu.lst is not being updated to include the latest kernel image.  I tried manually editing menu.lst but it's not a simple case of creating a new entry where I replace 2.6.24.17 with 2.6.24.19
[02:30] <rysiek> guys, I need to run startx as a certain user from an init.d script
[02:30] <rysiek> su -c startx username works from the commandline as root
[02:30] <rysiek> but not from the init.d script during bootup
[02:31] <rysiek> "user not authorized to run X"
[02:31] <rysiek> any ideas?
[02:31] <rysiek> .Xauthority and .ICEauthority are all there by the time I try to run the script
[02:34] <szakulec> amarok channel is #amarok?
[02:53] <obf213> yo does abbattoir ever stop by this room anymore
[02:55] <petenpete> or intelikey, those 2 guys were aces.
[03:00] <Jucato> petenpete: abattoir hasn't been online for quite a long time now. intelikey still comes in
[03:01] <petenpete> man, I remember when i first started using kubuntu, those guys could answer any question I had.
[03:03] <Jucato> I bet they still can... provided they're here ;)
[03:05] <appu> how can we make gdm the default display manager
[03:05] <Jucato> appu: if it's installed, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm"
[03:06] <appu> thanks jucato
[03:10] <Walzmyn> Got a weird thing going here - the XML file dolphin uses to store it's bookmarks keeps getting changed to being owned by root.
[03:11] <_2> what's the best way to find a bottle neck on a net ?
 or intelikey, those 2 guys were aces.
[03:11] <_2> lol
[03:12] <_2> Jucato be heave
 man, I remember when i first started using kubuntu, those guys could answer any question I had.
[03:12] <Jucato> *ahem*
[03:12] <Jucato> Walzmyn: that happens in D3lphin when it's opened as root (using kdesu/kdesudo)
[03:31] <intelikey> !ircasroot
[03:37] <hydrogen> !isntasbadaspeoplemakeitouttobe
[03:38] <NickPresta> !rootirc
[03:38] <NickPresta> :)
[03:40] <intelikey> hydrogen the risk is not large. but there is risk involved,  and as i have been informed it adds trouble/frustration to the ircops also.    (if you get hacked that is)
[03:40] <hydrogen> their is risk involved as soon as you plug your computer into the world wide interblog
[03:41] <intelikey> but far less if you don't do stupid stuff like irc'ing as root... :)
[03:41] <hydrogen> no
[03:41] <hydrogen> the same amount
[03:41] <intelikey> no
[03:41] <hydrogen> wlel
[03:41] <hydrogen> maybe a tiny bit more
[03:42] <hydrogen> I'm pretty sure none of the major irc clients in use have had a security vulerability that allows remote command execution in... ages
[03:42] <intelikey> wouldn't bet on it.
[03:43] <intelikey> but remote command execution is not the only thing involved.
[03:49] <Invisible_Slack> hydrogen, What your not understanding is just because your running IRC doesn't mean they don't have your IP Address if you aren't using a vhost or shell
[03:49] <hydrogen> and uhh
[03:49] <Invisible_Slack> if I have your IP address you bet your butt I can get into your box if I'm remotely skilled, so don't be stupid and leave root logged in
[03:49] <hydrogen> what in the world does that matter?
[03:49] <hydrogen> the root account in ubuntu is locked
[03:49] <hydrogen> -> they can try all they want to brute force the password
[03:50] <Invisible_Slack> if your logged in and I remote into your PC I got root, if your sudo'ed into root you ahve root terminal up
[03:50] <Invisible_Slack> don't need to brute force nothing
[03:50] <hydrogen> its better for them to know the root account name (it's standard) then to know your account name (it can be brute forced)
[03:50] <Invisible_Slack> hydrogen, if you can't understand the risks of running IRC as root then you need to learn
[03:51] <Invisible_Slack> hydrogen,  and don't be so defensive when people give you a nice suggestion and tell you to be carefull
[03:52] <hydrogen> err
[03:52] <hydrogen> you are pretty not that smart
[03:52] <intelikey> in one point i tend to agree with hydrogen there.  irc'ing as a ubuntu root.jr is an equally bad idea.
[03:53] <hydrogen> you can't get into my box by just having my ip address
[03:53] <hydrogen> without guessing a password
[03:53] <Invisible_Slack> hydrogen, your the guy that builds a kernel as root even though it says in the instructions not to huh?
[03:53] <hydrogen> and without me having a ssh daemon running
[03:53] <Invisible_Slack> hydrogen, you do what your told not to because you think your good
[03:53] <hydrogen> or some other login daemon
[03:54] <hydrogen> no, the point is that running irc as a user is _at least as unsafe_ as running it as root ( possibly more unsafe on *buntu ) if the irc client is not vulnerable
[03:54] <intelikey> the big if there says it all though
[03:55] <Invisible_Slack> program as root = do anything, program as user = restrictions
[03:55] <Invisible_Slack> how is root = user?
[03:55] <intelikey> and if it is, then you can have your irc client hujacked while your back is turned.
[03:55] <hydrogen> I already said "if the irc client is not vulernable"
[03:55] <hydrogen> intelikey: and with everyones favorite root junior, then you just quietly wait around for a shell, and try to sudo once in a while and hope you catch it in the fifteen minute period it doesn't ask for ones password
[03:55] <Invisible_Slack> go to a website that has a java script, your web browser is user, it won't hijack the pc, browse as root and well your hijacked
[03:56] <intelikey> Invisible_Slack ubuntu's root jr. account is just one john away from full root access
[03:56] <intelikey> but i'll hush,  this is an old argument.
[03:56] <hydrogen> Invisible_Slack: right, you are missing the point
[03:56] <Invisible_Slack> intelikey, yes I know it is.. haven't been around for a while but I'm not noob
[03:57] <hydrogen> The point is, if the program is not vulernerable, ircing as root is just as safe as ircing as a user, if not more safe
[03:57] <Invisible_Slack> hydrogen, not going to argue with you, just got off a 12 hour shift and i'm tired.. I was pointing out root = bad 99.9% of the time. thats why this network will kick you if your connected as root
[03:57] <intelikey> dangers imo are thus  root => root jr. >> all other accounts
[03:58] <Invisible_Slack> no program is 100% safe.. they all have vul's
[03:58] <Invisible_Slack> some just haven't been found, HENCE shouldn't be as root ;)
[03:58] <Invisible_Slack> my 2 cents are done
[03:58] <hydrogen> so, what you are saying, is that my statement is correct
[03:58] <Invisible_Slack> No your statement isn't correct
[03:58] <sub[t]rnl> hax
[03:58] <sub[t]rnl> :p
[03:58] <intelikey> "this network will kick you..."?     no.
[03:59] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ yo
[03:59] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl
[03:59] <sub[t]rnl> long time man, how goes
[03:59] <intelikey> tov and well
[04:00] <intelikey> and you ?
[04:00] <sub[t]rnl> good. thanks
[04:00] <intelikey> yeah good and well   sorry.
[04:00] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[04:01] <sub[t]rnl> man i havn't played with linux for so long.. time to relearn all my bash tricks. :(
[04:02] <intelikey> i get banned from #bash     they just don't like me there.
[04:02] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[04:02] <sub[t]rnl> go #awk then
[04:02] <sub[t]rnl> next best thing
[04:03] <sub[t]rnl> you still running that min system, or did you decide to go gui
[04:03] <intelikey> seems i'm unconvintional and thus wrong.     i never understood that.   "you don't do it our way, so you are doing it the wrong way"    and i'm like but if it works what differance does it make how you get there ???
[04:04] <sub[t]rnl> agreed.  i learned some of my bash scripting from you.  if it works, ok by me.
[04:05] <sub[t]rnl> i suppose it's when you use it long enough that you get angry at 'cat joe.txt |grep' stuff. :P
[04:05] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl well i have changed hardware,  so i now have kde gnome kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop blackbox fluxbox icewm and a few others installed,   and i use the console just like always  ;/
[04:05]  * sub[t]rnl whistles
[04:06] <intelikey> yeah;   hehhe  or   echo `cat file`   :)
[04:06] <sub[t]rnl> whoa what happened to ol' ubotu
[04:07] <intelikey> he got a face lift
[04:07] <intelikey> !bot
[04:07] <sub[t]rnl> double t's.  lol
[04:07] <sub[t]rnl> k
[04:07] <intelikey> ok she got a lift then if that's the way you want to say it....
[04:08] <sub[t]rnl> ubottu is sexy
[04:08] <intelikey> or boob job      <sub[t]rnl> double t's.  lol
[04:08] <sub[t]rnl> agh, bot abuse already
[04:08] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ lol
[04:08]  * intelikey hides
[04:09] <sub[t]rnl> show me some new ash scripts to drool on
[04:09] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[04:09] <intelikey> i don't have one i don't think.   let me look.
[04:10] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d2b9e0a66 http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d2234b655
[04:11] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d7cad1cf7 http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d5b30d822
[04:11] <intelikey> that should keep you busy for a minute.
[04:11] <sub[t]rnl> yay
[04:11] <sub[t]rnl> <3 curl
[04:11] <sub[t]rnl> brb, grabbing fluids
[04:12] <asobi> flash doesn't work after upgrading to firefox 3
[04:14] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6377acdc http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d7a783f1b   <<< both obsoleet in their own right,  but still something to ignite thought. @ sub[t]rnl
[04:14] <intelikey> !flash | ubottu anything new on flash ?
[04:15] <intelikey> asobi i don't see anything new there.
[04:15] <asobi> i already tried installing it again
[04:15] <intelikey> asobi if Jucato  weren't busy he might be able to point you at something useful
[04:16] <intelikey> or NickPresta even.
[04:16] <intelikey> but me. i don't use it   ( it applies to either ff or flash, take your pick )
[04:20] <sub[t]rnl> need to find out how kde4 is running.  Been a while since beta I suppose.
[04:21] <sub[t]rnl> asobi➜ 32 or 64 bit?
[04:21] <asobi> 32
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> when you tried reinstalling, was that with apt-get purge flashplugin-nonfree
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> then re-installing?
[04:22] <asobi> i used adept
[04:23] <sub[t]rnl> same deal, k.  you'll need to close firefox for it to take hold.  if you havn't
[04:23] <asobi> i did
[04:23] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, not sure then. :/
[04:23] <asobi> heh google doesn't know either
[04:24] <sub[t]rnl> -1 for google.
[04:24] <asobi> i am using beta 4, how do i ypdate that?
[04:24] <WaY> hello and Viva España
[04:25] <asobi> backports only have beta 4
[04:25] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl firewall your end ?
[04:25] <sub[t]rnl> didn't think so, sec
[04:26] <sub[t]rnl> wild, what port is irc dcc's
[04:26] <sub[t]rnl> if you know off hand
[04:27] <intelikey> well it's variable
[04:27] <intelikey> 8055 may be what i'm defaulting to
[04:28] <nitin> hello
[04:28] <intelikey> but it can be adjusted
[04:28] <intelikey> nitin
[04:28] <nitin> intelikey: i need help regarding compiling
[04:28] <intelikey> nitin have a specific error message ?
[04:28] <sub[t]rnl> yeah i'm blocking.  don't you make me port forward intelikey :(
[04:28] <intelikey> !b-e | nitin and read this link
[04:29] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl lol.  can you just pastebin it ?
[04:29] <sub[t]rnl> lol, now i'm confused.  your saying i'm trying to send something to you?
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> i'm checking processes, i'm haxd
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[04:30] <nitin> intelikey: yes, i would like to paste the output, pls tell me how
[04:30] <intelikey> not now you aren't  but  "-:- DCC GET ("joe") request from sub[t]rnl[n=subtrnl@unaffiliated/subtrnl/x-362560 [67.52.230.118:1026]] 16.14 kb CDCC Auto-geting file joe from [sub[t]rnl  -:- SignOff [GuS]: #kubuntu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
[04:31] <intelikey> !pastebin | nitin
[04:31] <sub[t]rnl> whoa, i'm trying to send my favorite bash editor
[04:31] <sub[t]rnl> :(
[04:31] <Mimi> QUESTION: hey, how do i figure out what wireless card I have? Im on Ubuntu Hardy Heron
[04:32] <sub[t]rnl> Mimi➜ sudo lshw
[04:32] <Mimi> thanks
[04:32] <intelikey> i recognized the name as "joe's own editor" but also know that you can call a text file/script anything you like   i often name temp scripts "bob"  so thought nothing of it
[04:32] <nitin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23862/
[04:32] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ aye, don't know what i was doing there.  too many brews
[04:33] <intelikey> :)
[04:33] <nitin> intelikey: i've pasted the url
[04:34] <intelikey> yes i was looking at it.
[04:34] <intelikey> nitin looks like you may need to install  tcl-dev and tk-dev packages    or what ever the correct names for them are
[04:35] <intelikey> it's looking for header file   best i can discern
[04:36] <nitin> intelikey: i installed them but
[04:36] <sub[t]rnl> Mimi➜ lspci -v or lspci -v |grep Network
[04:36] <intelikey> nitin something like   tcl8.4-dev
[04:36] <intelikey> and tk8.4-dev
[04:37] <intelikey> hardy may offer later versions too
[04:37] <intelikey> and nitin is went
[04:38] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl in hardy the lspci version supports -nn also.
[04:38] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl i.e.   lspci -nn | grep net
[04:39] <intelikey> or Net
[04:39] <intelikey> or -i the grep
[04:39] <intelikey> or call the bot on !enter
[04:39] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ roger that
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> forgot how to search man pages
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> is it ?
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> err
[04:40] <intelikey> just a note.  -nn is not supported in dapper
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl>  /
[04:40] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl / forward ? backward
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> tx
[04:40] <intelikey> np
[04:41] <intelikey> and of course  n next  :)
[04:41] <sub[t]rnl> thats what i was checking for. :P
[04:42] <intelikey> i mean in "less"  after a search hit n for the next occurance   not the -n switch in lspci   ;/
[04:42] <intelikey> man uses less
[04:43] <sub[t]rnl> ew nifty
[04:44] <sub[t]rnl> still on ol' bitchx intel?
[04:44] <intelikey> yep
[04:44] <sub[t]rnl> atta baby
[04:48] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl and even though i went form a 4g to an 80g hdd and p1 to p3   still setup the system "nosuid"    i still dont use partitions, still don't use a gui (except to help someone in here from time to time) , still play my vidios in vlc with svgalibs in the console...   i haven't shanged much.
[04:51] <intelikey> some joker yestergo was saying that he thought i thought i was all 1337 and 5h17.    but i don't.    i do think i specialize in a very few things, and those i can do adaquitly,   but i'm not leet guru massa
[04:53] <intelikey>  
[04:53] <_dennister> hey ppl...I was just gifted with a promise serial ata card, which is a godsend considering my current rebuild of my son's pc (he has a sata drive, but mobo doesn't have sata support)   has anyone gotten this to work?
[04:53] <dwidmann> intelikey: You're just being modest :P
[04:54] <intelikey> heh.  no.
[04:54] <_dennister> hwinfo is calling it an "unclassified device"
[04:55] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ good to see that even though you have the means, your still holding to the roots. :}
[04:55] <intelikey> !hardware | _dennister you might check if it's listed
[04:55] <_dennister> intelikey: thx
[04:55] <bdizzle> hi
[04:55] <bdizzle> is there an IRC channel for WINE, or do we just use this?
[04:55] <intelikey> bdizzle
[04:55] <intelikey> #wine-hq   is it ?
[04:55] <bdizzle> hi intelikey
[04:56] <intelikey> #winehq   maybe ?
[04:56] <bdizzle> no, no one in that room
[04:56] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ whats find . -type f -a \( -perm -2000 -o -perm -4000 \) -print show u
[04:56] <sub[t]rnl> nadda?
[04:56] <sub[t]rnl> wait that might be guid too
[04:57] <intelikey> why would anything be suid or sgid in my home ?
[04:57] <bdizzle> got it
[04:57] <sub[t]rnl> pff
[04:57] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[04:57] <sub[t]rnl> time to read up on all the big changes in hardy
[04:57]  * sub[t]rnl sways
[04:58] <bdizzle> meh, no one responding in there
[05:00] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl  find . -type f -a \( -perm -7000 -o -perm -6000 -o -perm -5000 -o -perm -4000 -o -perm -3000 -o -perm -2000 -o -perm -1000 \) -print
[05:01] <bdizzle> I'm trying to get Halo to work in Wine 1.0. On the Wine-HQ database, it claims it to be "Silver"
[05:01] <intelikey> but it wouldn't matter what the permission was set, the whole system (mine not yours) is "nosuid,nosgid"
[05:02] <intelikey> bdizzle i don't drink the stuff
[05:02] <sub[t]rnl> howdja go about that?
[05:02] <sub[t]rnl> like the entire system is chrooted
[05:02] <sub[t]rnl> or whatever
[05:02] <bdizzle> um, haha, right
[05:03] <sub[t]rnl> i need my training wheels again. :(
[05:03] <intelikey> no the fs is mounted nosuid   be warned though  you loose lots of functionality.   like  startx sudo(or any variant thereof) mount and things like that won't work for the user.
[05:04] <sub[t]rnl> ah, duh
[05:04] <sub[t]rnl> righto
[05:06] <intelikey>  with a default ubuntu system,  if one adjusted only fstab and menu.lst to affect "nosuid,nogid" they would still get the graphical login which would work,  they would have a normal user gui with no way to admin (do as root) anything
[05:08] <intelikey> so there is no way i could reccomend that to anyone in here.    but it also affectively busts many exploits/cracks/attacks simply because what an attacker expects to happen wont happen.    (i didn't say it closed all doors, nor imply that it didn't unlock others)
[05:10] <intelikey> but in general, anything that deviates from normal, is a deturant of sorts.   "security by obscurity"  while not realistic, yet still often affective to the casual script kiddy
[05:11] <_dennister> okay...got so excited with this i plugged it all in without checking model number...promise is not in ubuntu hcl, but linux support for it looks promising...bbs
[05:14] <intelikey> one thing that more accomplished "black hats" will notice are things that aren't normal, may also indicate danger zones.     "if i was trying to crack a random box, i wouldn't look for one with an open door. i'd look for one that looked exactly like a fresh install a year down the road for it's actual install."
[05:14] <sub[t]rnl> hehe.
[05:15] <sub[t]rnl> go ahead and get the honey pot
[05:15] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[05:15] <intelikey> yeah right. :)
[05:15] <intelikey> http://hackslab.com  is it ?
[05:16] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[05:16] <intelikey> or .org i don't recall
[05:16] <sub[t]rnl> think it was .com
[05:16] <bdizzle_> okay, sorry
[05:16] <sub[t]rnl> np bd
[05:16] <bdizzle_> anyway, I tried to get it to work another way and it froze up, had to restart
[05:17] <sub[t]rnl> not sure if your going to get any specialized responses in here bdizzle, check wine forums for the specific game
[05:17] <sub[t]rnl> unless you run across someone who has got it working in here
[05:17] <nitin> intelikey: i had installed tcl8.5-dev and tk8.5-dev, and I edited the Makefile by writing tcl version 8.5, but it didn't work
[05:18] <nitin> presently i'm downloading tk8.4-dev and tcl8.4-dev
[05:18] <intelikey> nitin hmmm   what is the package again ?
[05:18] <intelikey> the one you are trying to build ?
[05:19] <nitin> tcl8.4-dev and tk8.4-dev
[05:19] <intelikey> the one you are trying to build ?
[05:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> i keep getting this error when i check the cd for errors and i don't want to install it withe rrors
[05:19] <nitin> sorry, i 'm trying to compile scid
[05:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> but i've tried 4 different cdrs already
[05:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i'm downloading the iso again
[05:19] <intelikey> !find scid
[05:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> and if it give sme the error again
[05:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm going to install it anyway
[05:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> and hopefully you
[05:19] <intelikey> !info scid
[05:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> the experts will be able to help me
[05:19] <sub[t]rnl> !enter
[05:20] <intelikey> nitin is there a reason you can't use the one in the repos ?
[05:20] <sub[t]rnl> CostaRicanQuaker➜ we will give it a go :)
[05:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> so that i can get the damn thing on my computer so that i can learn this system tand master it and eventually just sit here
[05:20] <sub[t]rnl> CostaRicanQuaker➜ excellent
[05:20] <nitin> i have already one from the repo, but i want to have more recent version, intelikey
[05:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> and also help others who might have problems with their computer trying to install something better than microsoft or mac os x
[05:20] <sub[t]rnl> CostaRicanQuaker➜ well, you have the right attitude, thats for sure.
[05:21] <intelikey> nitin hmmm,  ok.   not sure i will be able to help you though.    i leaving in about 15 minutes
[05:21] <intelikey> err or less.
[05:22] <nitin> i've finished installing tcl8.4-dev and tk8.4-dev, now i'll beging to compile to see what happens, intelikey
[05:22] <intelikey> k
[05:23] <nitin> intelikey, it worked, now it is saying just type 'make' to compile. should i do sudo make or just make
[05:23] <intelikey> just make
[05:23] <intelikey> then   sudo make install    probably
[05:23] <nitin> ok
[05:23] <intelikey> assuming it completes without error
[05:25] <intelikey> it's amazing, what; doing what the "experts" say, will actually fix.
[05:25] <intelikey> hmmm i was a drip under pressure.   now i'm just an  X-spert
[05:25] <intelikey> heh.
[05:26] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[05:26] <sub[t]rnl> glad your still around intel. :P
[05:26] <intelikey> for anyone that missed it.  that was a joke in a joke.     i'm no expert either.
[05:26] <intelikey> :)
[05:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> It's funny that ubuntu might mean towards humanity, from an anarchist point of view it is more human in terms that it makes a machine a work of art that one has access to a means of communication and expression where one can become part of a community tht supports itself and as a means of commnuication that is available to individuals, that is not a piece of junk that technogeeks have set up for one to use and hope everything will work without k
[05:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> it's nearly antigovernment
[05:28] <bdizzle_> this is bad why?
[05:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> in its do it yourself through learning and becoming aware of the alterable system
[05:28] <sub[t]rnl> its either that, or because it's shiny..
[05:28] <sub[t]rnl> i like it cause of the shiny
[05:28]  * sub[t]rnl shrugs
[05:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> shiny's good too
[05:29] <intelikey> and lets not forget the ever popular "a reboot will fix anything"  :)
[05:29] <sub[t]rnl> uptime! quick!
[05:29] <sub[t]rnl> Uptime: 1 days, 9 hours and 11 minutes
[05:29] <sub[t]rnl> err.. doh
[05:29] <sub[t]rnl> nm
[05:29] <sub[t]rnl> :(
[05:29] <nitin> intelikey: thanks it worked. i had to remove the older version
[05:30] <intelikey> but ffr,   freedom != antigovernment
[05:30] <intelikey> nitin welcome.
[05:31] <intelikey> freedom == antislavory  or should i say anti-enslavement
[05:32] <intelikey> freedom is not free,  it's purchesed with the lives of those that are willing to die for it, that others might enjoy what they themselves could not attain.
[05:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> now let me see if
[05:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> there's a logical error which i don't like in argumentation that is something like this
[05:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> sky= blue but blue doesn't neceassarily equals sky
[05:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> ubuntu=open source
[05:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> open source= ubuntu
[05:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> ubuntu=freedom
[05:33] <intelikey> no
[05:33] <intelikey> ubuntu != opensourse
[05:33] <intelikey> so opensource != ubuntu != freedom
[05:34] <intelikey> ubuntu is "as free as we can make it" to quote the owners
[05:35] <intelikey> the insertion of propritary "restricted" packages makes it an non-opensource or, partially open source distro.   and thus partially free
[05:35] <intelikey> btw   sky != blue   either.
[05:36] <intelikey> the sky is blue   in the sense that the colour of the sky is primarily blue   but the sky == air
[05:37]  * mr---t- wonders if inteliley will get drawn into this guys argument, same one as a few nights ago
[05:38] <intelikey> mr---t- not likely.   i'm leaving very soon.
[05:38] <intelikey> 5 min
[05:38] <mr---t-> just letting you know
[05:38] <intelikey> k ty.
[05:38] <intelikey> under other circumstances   i might.
[05:38]  * intelikey is not above that.
[05:39] <intelikey> but i was really enjoying the chanops night off :)
[05:39] <intelikey> haven't been this far off topic in a while...  :)))
[05:40] <mr---t-> they are off?
[05:40]  * intelikey thinks "** no wonder i one time held the #1 speaker of #kubuntu title**"   
[05:41] <intelikey> mr---t- heh.   no.   but they don't pay much attention to this channel on the weekends
[05:41] <intelikey> we could call them
[05:42] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[05:42] <intelikey> :)
[05:42] <mr---t-> no thanks
[05:42] <intelikey> !opsnack | everyone.
[05:43] <sub[t]rnl> even the snacks have changed!
[05:43]  * sub[t]rnl cries
[05:43] <intelikey> !helpersnack | sub[t]rnl have some !
[05:43]  * sub[t]rnl mops tears and drags cookie to corner.
[05:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> back
[05:43] <mr---t-> !botsnack
[05:44] <sub[t]rnl> the germans would laugh at that
[05:44] <sub[t]rnl> :/
[05:44] <intelikey> ok i'm out.    shalom.    and a healthy pinguin may you always have.
[05:44] <sub[t]rnl> l8r intel
[05:45] <xevious-> attempting to install realplayer 11 with firefox 3 on an amd64 system
[05:46] <xevious-> realplayer standalone works fine. the plugin is linked in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins and /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins
[05:46] <xevious-> doesnt show up in about:plugins
[06:16] <tmbg_> is there a way to list packages by size? doing an upgrade which is downloading 2gb, and want to free up some room on the disk
[06:20] <Angela_Smith> hello, with Kubuntu's default file manager, can I view FLV files as thumbnails like in Ubuntu's Gnome file browser? TIA
[06:23] <dwidmann> try installing libarts1-xine Angela_Smith
[06:24] <Angela_Smith> thank you dwidmann :)
[06:24] <dwidmann> Let me know if it works, I know it works for regular video files, but not sure about flash
[06:25] <Angela_Smith> it really surprised me in ubuntu.  it is a wonderful feature :)
[06:26] <dwidmann> Hmmm, sounds interesting indeed .... that package I just mentioned should be able to make a thumbnail out of anything xine can play
[06:27] <Angela_Smith> awesome dwidmann, thank you very much :)
[06:27] <dwidmann> you're welcome :)
[07:05] <dragon_> hi all
[07:06] <flaccid> !hi
[07:25] <erikja> !wine
[07:25] <erikja> !motion
[07:52] <nitin> does mplayer also uses xine
[08:03] <nitin> hello
[08:07] <nitin> hi
[08:14] <flaccid> !hi
[08:18] <tuxwulf> How do I make my USB kubuntu persistent?
[08:18] <jussi01> !usb
[08:21] <osh_> Anyone using postfix here?
[08:21] <vorad> hi ... I am pretty new to linux, is there a way i can set up different package versions for different users? like having qt 4.2 installed for all users except one which should have qt 4.4?
[08:21] <osh_> I'm sending mail from a machine and I've figured out how to rewrite the email, but how do I rewrite the "name"? As it is now the emails are sent from "Wrong name right.email@right.domain"
[08:23] <osh_> vorad: Possible but not easy afaik.
[08:23] <osh_> vorad: If that's a developer or similar perhaps s/he should install a clean qt-copy in his devel-account to build from.
[08:23] <tuxwulf> jussi01: That seems to be the way to do it.. thanks!
[08:24] <jussi01> :)
[08:24] <osh_> vorad: or use some sort of virtualization.
[08:25] <vorad> thanks osh_ - the thing is that I am using kde < 4.0 and want to compile kde >= 4.0 for a development account on the same machine and it needs qt 4.4 but I don't want to break anything on the actual account
[08:25] <Jucato> vorad: see the instructions in techbase.kde.org
[08:26] <Jucato> it tells you how to do all of that
[08:27] <osh_> vorad: I use vmware for that. With regular snapshots I can always go back to a working copy. But Jucato is probably more on track. S/He usually knows better than me. =)
[08:27] <Jucato> osh_: He :)
[08:27] <Jucato> (the name betrays that fact)
[08:27] <vorad> yeah, I have been there ... need just to set up qt 4.4 for a devel account. Thanks Jucato
[08:27] <osh_> Jucato: Right. HE, usually knows better.
[08:28] <osh_> Jucato: Not for me. Jucato could be either for me. What language is it?
[08:28] <Jucato> osh_: not the nick. the name. as in /whois Jucato :)
[08:29] <osh_> Ah. Juan Carlos. Right. That would have been a clue.
[08:29]  * osh_ knows squat about irc.
[08:30] <Jucato> :D
[08:33] <tmbg_> well that sucked. upgrade broke all kinds of stuff.
[08:33]  * osh_ is still on Gutsy. Upgrade to hardy breaks far too much.
[09:10] <clau30> hi. how can I restart the sound server (not arts)? amarok sais device is busy..
[09:10] <clau30> or how can I see what application uses the sound device?
[09:31] <clau30> any ideas^^?
[09:33] <osh_> clau30: fuser /dev/audio used to work I think. Or whatever your audio device is called. That should show which pid's are using the audio device.
[09:33] <ronr_laptop> hi, my kubuntu kde 4 remix laptop always starts with minimal screen brightness and also returns with minimal screen brightness if the screen goes blank (after being unused for a while), how do I change the default brightness?
[09:34] <clau30> ronr_laptop: #kubuntu-kde4 ?
[09:34] <ronr_laptop> clau30: will try
[09:35] <MementoMori> hi all
[09:35] <MementoMori> I've a problem with kaffeine
[09:35] <suze> hola
[09:36] <suze> !italiano
[09:36] <MementoMori> If I play a video I can listen the audio but the video is black
[09:36] <suze> !codec
[09:36] <MementoMori> suze grazie
[09:36] <MementoMori> suze: I think I have all the codec I need
[09:37] <suze> have you compiz and ati?
[09:37] <MementoMori> yes I've
[09:37] <suze> tha's the problem your ati silly graphic card
[09:37] <suze> disable compiz
[09:38] <MementoMori> but if I watch a youtube video using firefox I can see it nicely
[09:38] <suze> well flahs videos are flash videos
[09:38] <suze> let's go to try disabling compiz
[09:38] <MementoMori> maybe mplayer or vlc can bypass the problem..
[09:39] <suze> you have to check the problem
[09:39] <remfarkas> hi
[09:39] <suze> disable compiz \ or try another player
[09:39] <MementoMori> su
[09:39] <MementoMori> suze: I'll try first another player
[09:39] <suze> the most of time the problem is your ati
[09:39] <suze> MementoMori: well it's just to run a command line ... kwin --replace
[09:40] <suze> then if you want compiz again
[09:40] <remfarkas> and old atis are the most worse
[09:40] <suze> MementoMori: compiz --replace
[09:47] <MementoMori> suze: the problem is with compiz
[09:48] <MementoMori> also mplayer cant show videos while compiz is running
[09:48] <suze> .. i have said that...
[09:49] <MementoMori> any workaround?
[09:49] <suze> , or you find out a driver
[09:49] <suze> or you have to disable and enable compiz when
[09:49] <suze> you play a video
[09:49] <MementoMori> I used envyng to install the ati driver
[09:50] <suze> omg
[09:50] <suze> !ati
[09:51] <suze> MementoMori: the safiest way you could use is enable\disabling compiz
[09:52] <suze> MementoMori: kwin --replace   to disable         , compiz --replace to enable
[09:52] <MementoMori> suze: the newest info are for 7.04 but I'm with 8.04. is envyng use discouraged?
[09:53] <remfarkas> below there are hardy instructions also
[09:54] <suze> MementoMori: i have a nice intel card and i should reccomend an nvidia card the next time .... a lots of guys has really problem with those silly card
[09:54] <suze> suze: i have seen a lots with problema and envyns stuff
[09:55] <suze> s/problema/problems
[09:56] <suze> MementoMori: the next generations maybe of ati card will be better but if you could use nvidia, cheaper and better supported intel
[10:04] <MementoMori> suze: I've a notebook so I cant change/choose the video card ;)
[10:05] <suze> MementoMori: i figured out ..
[10:05] <suze> MementoMori: i have too a silly hp notebook with ati xpress 200
[10:06] <suze> MementoMori: but in that i use windows , only for some stuff ... on this toshiba only linux :) and internet of course
[10:06] <MementoMori> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M24 [Radeon Mobility X600]
[10:07] <suze> well nice crap xD
[10:08] <MementoMori> what's the opensource ati state? is it stable and does it perform a good 3d?
[10:08] <MementoMori> I mean the driver
[10:09] <suze> i don't know i have just said i don't use linux on my hp notebook
[10:09] <suze> i use linux on toshiba laptop
[10:15] <MementoMori> suze: I found a way to watch video with compiz enabled
[10:15] <suze> MementoMori: good
[10:15] <MementoMori> now kaffeine (and other xine based player) works
[10:16] <MementoMori> do you want to add this workaround to the wiki?
[10:16] <remfarkas> how did u manage?
[10:18] <MementoMori> remfarkas: using xshm as video rendering driver
[10:18] <MementoMori> remfarkas: in kaffeine you'll find this option in xine parameters -> video
[10:19] <remfarkas> thx, if i remember correct, mplayer has no such option
[10:19] <MementoMori> remfarkas: in kaffeine you'll find this option in settings -> xine engine -> video
[10:19] <MementoMori> remfarkas: gimme a min
[10:19] <remfarkas> i cannot use kaffeine atm, my pc is offline, i had to figure out how to get the packages with dependencies trough a win machine..
[10:20] <MementoMori> I havent installed anything particular for xshm
[10:21] <remfarkas> but it will work, i will only need sources.list and the packages list for it which is downloaded after apt-get update :)
[10:23] <MementoMori> remfarkas: also mplayer works using x11 driver (it should be the same of xshm)
[10:24] <MementoMori> can anyone write these infos in the wiki?
[10:24] <remfarkas> thx, i'll try, altough my ati is not compatible with any linux drivers
[10:24] <MementoMori> remfarkas: is a very new card?
[10:25] <remfarkas> very old, radeon 8500
[10:25] <MementoMori> ati + compiz -> video with xshm/x11
[10:25] <remfarkas> but if things are goin well, i'll get an old nvidia :D
[10:27] <MementoMori> remfarkas: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon-prer200.html your card is supported by this driver
[10:29] <remfarkas> thx, i'll try, but if i remember well, i'll need some packages to do it, coz it will try to compile the driver for my ubuntu
[10:30] <nitin> is there a wiki how to compile mplayer in kubuntu?
[10:30] <remfarkas> why dont u install from repo?
[10:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> help
[10:31] <MementoMori> remfarkas: you'll surely need build essential and maybe the xorg headers
[10:32] <nitin> remfarkas: i want to try my hands at compiling
[10:32] <remfarkas> yes, it'll need few times of using synaptic script and to get the packages home.. if it can be made this way
[10:32] <remfarkas> oh.. i think, if u download the source, there is a readme inside
[10:32] <MementoMori> nitin: you should start with something simpler
[10:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> can someone tell me what's goign on, i tried installing kubuntu a couple days ago, divdied the partition for the 80gb harddrive into half windows ntsf and created a new ext3 prtition but never installed kubuntu so then i downloaded gparted to try and edit the partitions into 15 gb for linux and 65 for windows, so gparted won't work for some reason, so i try to install xubuntu instead (my copy of kubuntu is very old) and it only reads the ntsf pa
[10:35] <remfarkas> i suggest u to make the partitions with a partitioner under windows
[10:35] <remfarkas> if u are better with that
[10:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> any free partitioners?
[10:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm on xp
[10:36] <nitin> i am currently downloading the sources and codecs. i've a slow dialup connection.
[10:36] <remfarkas> i used pqmagic, but not fully legal :P
[10:36] <remfarkas> and dont forget to make a swap partition for ur ubuntu also, which should be twice as ur physical memory
[10:37] <remfarkas> and another thing: xfce is nice, but kubuntu is more easy to use for ppl who switch from windows
[10:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://partitionlogic.org.uk
[10:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> how about that? in your opinion
[10:37] <remfarkas> it has much more gui for options
[10:38] <remfarkas> sounds good
[10:38] <remfarkas> good luck with it, i need to go home -.-
[10:38] <remfarkas> bye all
[10:38] <remfarkas> and have a nice day
[10:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes but the only kubuntu iso i have is an old 5.10 version i ordered 15 cds from canonical so it might take up to 16weeks for me to get them and my isos alwys show corrupted wen i download them
[10:39] <jussi01> CostaRicanQuaker: use the torrents
[10:39] <remfarkas> download a new one
[10:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> jussi01: how do you mean?
[10:40] <jussi01> !torrent
[10:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> i think i havea  torrent program
[10:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> but what do you mean by that
[10:40] <jussi01> CostaRicanQuaker: there are kubuntu torrents - look at the official download page
[10:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> download an iso image of kubuntu
[10:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> to avoid the errors when i check the disk for errors beforeinstalling it?
[10:42] <jussi01> CostaRicanQuaker: each "part" of a torrent is checked individually. it s therefore much more likely you have a non corrupted image at the end..
[10:42] <nitin> remfarkas: do i need to download some other packages in kubuntu to be able to compile mplayer?
[10:43] <jussi01> !compile
[10:52] <asraniel__> hi there
[10:52] <asraniel__> my gf has her screen turning black randomly (intel GC), anybody ever heard that?
[10:55] <flaccid> asraniel__, it gets reported a lot
[10:58] <asraniel__> flaccid: and is there a sollution? because right now she is convinced that linux is a buggy oparating system (she has at least 1 other bug that makes that she has to hard reset the computer, which makes 2 bugs doing that, equals 2-3 hard resets per day)
[10:59] <flaccid> asraniel__, can't say. you have to search bugs on launchpad and for most of these black out problems there is no solution yet. they thought it was restricted drivers but then it started happening with any video driver like intel..
[11:00] <flaccid> linux is a kernel. ubuntu is the buggy operating system/distro
[11:01] <asraniel__> flaccid: tell that my gf ;-) i'm a computer scientist, but she does not realy make the difference
[11:01] <flaccid> and a lot of these reports are on other linux distros as well. is it a hard crash ie. ctrl+alt+f1 does nothing?
[11:01] <flaccid> asraniel__, your girlfriend is probably not suited for linux. mac os x or windows is probably more appropriate
[11:03] <asraniel__> flaccid: well, under windows i have to format all the time because of viruses, so i prefer linux. she realy has no problem with using it, the only problem are the hard lockups (her tv card driver has a bug too that makes a kernel panic) and os x is not a option because she does not have mac. but thanks for you help anyway, at least i know i'm not alone
[11:05] <flaccid> asraniel__, yes. i have to reboot up to 5 times per day...
[11:06] <asraniel__> flaccid: wow, that sound buggy
[11:06] <asraniel__> flaccid: i reboot once a week with my thinkpad, and not because i'm forced to do so
[11:06] <flaccid> yep. many people are waiting for solutions
[11:07] <flaccid> it will be even worse if they do not find the problems and fix them. if thats the case this will go on for years
[11:07] <jussi01> Have eiher of you reported a bug?
[11:08] <flaccid> many
[11:08] <nalioth> flaccid: let us be civil
[11:08] <flaccid> nalioth, pardon?
[11:08] <flaccid> i was stopping you from being civil? excuse me?
[11:08] <nalioth> flaccid: one of your prior comments was very uncalled for
[11:08] <flaccid> nalioth, well im free to comment within the rules i though
[11:09]  * flaccid yawns
[11:09] <nalioth> flaccid: calling people "dumb" is not one of them
[11:09] <flaccid> nalioth, i never used that word at all. it is disrespectful to put words into my mouth and being respectful is part of the CoC
[11:10]  * flaccid waits for a quotation or citation
[11:10] <nalioth> asraniel__, your girlfriend is probably not suited for linux. mac os x or windows is probably more appropriate                  <<< you called his girlfriend 'dumb' in a very long winded manner.  this is NOT appropriate for #kubuntu
[11:11] <flaccid> nalioth, incorrect. your opinion maybe.
[11:11] <flaccid> dumb is an insult, and i never used that word! so back off!
[11:14] <tinel> hi, does anyone know something about this problem: "cannot allocate resource region 7,8,9 of bridge" wich is shown during start-up?
[11:14] <bsusa> Ok, ive just figured out that so far in two of my games, the models in the game are not appearing, could someone please tell me what i can do about this?
[11:20] <alexei> Hi, what is the name of that application that sits in the tray and informs about new updates available?
[11:22] <flaccid> hi
[11:22] <flaccid> hooray im unbanned
[11:27] <Tm_T> hi flaccid
[11:30] <flaccid> !hi | Tm_T
[11:37] <flaccid> i think i have better things to do tonight than be here, goodbye.
[11:40] <marsdtn_> hi
[11:42] <socke> Opera möchte Youtube Videos nicht abspielen, obwohl ich den Flashplayer richtig installiert habe
[11:42] <socke> glaub ich
[11:43] <jpds> !de | socke
[11:44] <socke> oh
[11:44] <socke> I'm sry
[11:44] <socke> wrong chanell...
[11:44] <socke> sry
[11:56] <ronr_laptop> I got a asus r1e laptop running kubuntu, every time kubuntu boots (kde and console) are set to the lowest possible brightness. I already had to install some workaround to get the brightness keys to work, how do I fix this (I want kubuntu to start with max brightness)
[11:59] <KRF> ronr_laptop, left click the battery icon
[11:59] <ct529> hi everybody ....
[12:00] <ronr_laptop> KRF: I don't have a battery icon, what package should I install?
[12:20] <Warod> Now tell me one thing... HOW exactly can you do such a setup to grub on your HD that kubuntu desktop cd cannot boot itself anymore but always starts to boot the installation on HD no matter what you choose from CD menu. :S
[12:21] <waspius> hi for some reason my system crashed and i cannot login..i am running a live cd in order to backup my files but it is going really really slow.something happened to the hard drive clusters or something..how can i fix it?
[12:21] <flyingparchment> i have a Sun Type 7 USB keyboard.  what is the correct keyboard layout?  (US doesn't work so well; all the special keys map to NoSymbol and don't work)
[12:21] <Pici> Warod: Youd need to remove the CD drive from the list of bootable devices in your BIOS.
[12:21] <Warod> This's something I cannot quite explain to myself even with around 5 years of linux usage. :|
[12:21] <Warod> Pici: And how exactly does that help me boot the live environment?
[12:22] <Pici> Warod: It doesnt, I thought you asked how to make it not boot from the CD no matter what.
[12:22] <Warod> Pici: I'm trying to get into the live, but it boots me from HD to broken installation no matter what.
[12:22] <diego> oi
[12:23] <Warod> Pici: I don't understand how I managed to do such a setup that won't boot the live environment from the CD menu. :S
[12:23] <Warod> it boots the HD instead.
[12:23] <Pici> Warod: You shouldnt be seeing your computers Grub menu at all if you boot from the CD.  You'd need to go into your BIOS and make sure that the CD drive is listed before your harddrive in the boot options
[12:24] <Warod> Pici: I don't see Grub
[12:24] <Warod> Pici: Gives me the CD boot menu, in which I choose the live or the install option. And the thing starts booting my HD environment anyways!
[12:24] <Warod> If I grab the power off the HD, then it boots from CD
[12:25] <idk--> i cant get real rhapsody web version to work with ff3. was wondering if anyone else uses rhapsody and how did you get it to work
[12:25] <waspius> anyone?
[12:26] <Pici> Warod: Thats pretty odd
[12:26] <elirips> hello everyone. Where can I tell kmail to use SMTP-Account A for idendity A, smtp-account B for idendity B, and so on? I dont find where to fix this..
[12:26] <Warod> Pici: exactly
[12:26]  * Pici hmms
[12:27] <Warod> I don't see how that's even theoretically possible
[12:27] <waspius> hi for some reason my system crashed and i cannot login..i am running a live cd in order to backup my files but it is going really really slow.something happened to the hard drive clusters or something..how can i fix it?
[12:30] <waspius> is there any other command instead of fsck
[12:46] <ezoner> please, is there someone who want help with partition resize using Ubuntu LIVE CD ?
[12:50] <elirips> hello. is it possible that adept does not show all packages? Like openoffice.org2-l10-XY and so on?
[12:52] <Dr_willis> elirips,  see if 'apt-cache search' shows them>?
[12:52] <elirips> Dr_willis: yes, with aptitude i find them and can install them. I was just wondering why adept does not show all, or if adept can be "forced" to show everything..
[12:53] <Dr_willis> i never use adept. I perfer synaptic for the gui.
[12:53] <elirips> okay, guess i'll just stick with aptitude. It has the best UI ever :D
[12:54] <Dr_willis> thats debateable also. :P
[12:54] <Dr_willis> ive had aptitude do.. weird things befor.
[12:54] <elirips> I got used to it, its quite handy.. as soon as you got used to it.. what can take soooome time :D
[12:55] <Dr_willis> It decided to remove some 200 packages one day.. and idmnetly reinstalled them.. Not sure what the deal was with that.
[12:55] <Dr_willis> may of been some odd bug in one package.
[12:55] <Dr_willis> I couldent get it to repeate the  bug.
[12:55] <elirips> mh, i had that too when I switched from apt to aptitude.. but its a long time ago
[13:15] <elsinore> how can discover wich modules are in use for my keyboard and mouse ?
[13:16] <Dr_willis> lsmod command elsinore  will show loaded modules
[13:17] <elsinore> but i have a lot of modules
[13:18] <elsinore> and i can't distinguish which is the right one used for usb mouse and keyboard
[13:18] <elsinore> I have a ubuntu that works well but the slackware can't handle this device
[13:19] <elsinore> i'd like to use the same modules or kernel conguration to make slackware works too
[13:24] <Dr_willis> get a list of loaded modules form both and 'diff' the 2 lists.
[13:28] <tty> hi
[13:28] <tty> i have a problem
[13:29] <Dr_willis> 'please state the nature of the linux emergancy' :)
[13:30] <tty> i am using ubuntu 7.10 and i want to upgrade ubuntu 7.10 to kubuntu 8.04  how can i do it?
[13:35] <RurouniJones> !dist-upgrade | tty
[13:35] <RurouniJones> ...ah well
[13:37] <llutz> Moin
[13:38] <syntaxblack> is there a program to make a live cd of my entire desktop as it is now?
[13:41] <Dr_willis> Theres some remastering script tools out. but not used them, and they are not in the repos.
[13:42] <Dr_willis> If you want a flexiable live cd system. Slax, or puppylinux may be a better idea
[13:43] <syntaxblack> so i gotta do it allllllllllll over again when i go set up laptops
[13:44] <syntaxblack> dang it
[13:44] <Dr_willis> I belive the alternative install cd - has some 'system' for seting up default installs  (OEM installs?)
[13:44] <Dr_willis> but thats not making the users 'desktop' onto a live cd. :)
[13:45] <syntaxblack> i cant belive there isnt a a program for backing up your linux install into a iso or group of iso's
[13:46] <syntaxblack> it doesnt have to be a live cd really if i can back everything up some how
[13:46] <Dr_willis> theres dozens of backup/restore utilities in the package manager
[13:47] <Dr_willis> Mondo/mindi can make a bootable 'clone' cd/dvd set.
[13:47] <Dr_willis> or archive to a network server, and allow restoring from a single boot/restore cd.
[13:48] <syntaxblack> so i just install Mondo/mindi on a fresh install of kubuntu on my other laptops and load up the back up iso
[13:48] <syntaxblack> ?
[13:48] <syntaxblack> and hey prestomato?
[13:48] <Dr_willis> No.. you install mondo/mindi.. backup that system.. and put those disks in a new machine.. and get a clone.
[13:48] <syntaxblack> sweet
[13:48] <Dr_willis> No need to 'install' the os' then restore. :)
[13:48] <Dr_willis> thats how i had to do stuff years ago with windows. :)
[13:49] <syntaxblack> oh..... well thats easy
[13:49] <syntaxblack> then i can just set up a clone and give everyone in my uni copies
[13:49] <Dr_willis> problem will be they will all have identical hostnames/password/other things also..
[13:50] <Dr_willis> and if the hardware is very different you will have issues.
[13:50] <syntaxblack> yeah but the hardware issues can always be fixed
[13:51] <syntaxblack> just switch a few drivers and it will work
[13:51] <Dr_willis> perhaps.. perhaps it will take more time to fix. then doing a normal install.
[13:51] <Dr_willis> try it and see i guess
[13:51] <elsinore> how can find what module is handling mouse and keyboard ?
[13:52] <syntaxblack> unless.... you can just back up the themes/programs/icons/settings and such and pack them all into some file
[13:52] <Dr_willis> just backing up the  HOME directory is even easier.
[13:52] <Dr_willis> but you dident ask about that. :)
[13:53] <Dr_willis> and that wont get any customized /etc/ or other configs
[13:53] <syntaxblack> the home directory has all the apps and themes then?
[13:53] <Dr_willis> No - it dosent have any 'apps' that are isntalled system wide.. or system wide themes.
[13:53] <Dr_willis> it has the users settings/files, and user installed things
[13:54] <syntaxblack> ah
[13:54] <Dr_willis> You are thinking in windows 'program files' directory terms. :)
[13:54] <syntaxblack> :(
[13:55] <syntaxblack> i only been using linux for a day
[13:56] <syntaxblack> ah..... dear so much to learn
[13:56] <Dr_willis> time to read some books on linux. :) and tutorials and guides.
[13:57] <Dr_willis> !training
[13:57] <Dr_willis> I think thats getting updated to 8,4 as we speak.. but its a bit ubuntu specific
[13:57] <syntaxblack> aww.... reading dang it
[13:58] <syntaxblack> i have to say i got the coputer 70% set up
[13:58] <syntaxblack> computer*
[13:58] <Dr_willis> Darn it all for having to learn  how to use tools! :)
[13:58] <syntaxblack> all the apps are set up that i need
[13:58] <syntaxblack> got the wine programs i needed running
[13:59] <syntaxblack> got maya installed
[13:59] <syntaxblack> cubase
[13:59] <syntaxblack> everything all hunky dory
[13:59] <jals> hey how do i access kd4 system settings via console, "systemsettings" seems to bring up the kde3 menu
[14:00] <syntaxblack> kcontrol?
[14:00] <jals> maybe
[14:00] <adityag> i have booted live kubuntu 8.04, i want to format NTFS drive used by windows!!!any help will be appreciated!
[14:01] <Dr_willis> adityag,   why not have windows format it?   gparted may be able to do it. If its on the live cd. (or install it first)
[14:02] <adityag> i am not uable to format it by bootable windows cd, but i dont want to install kubuntu now, i just want to format a ntfs drive,from live kubuntu
[14:04] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I have a 'mkfs.ntfs' on my installed system.. not sure if thats on the live cd or not
[14:06] <syntaxblack> oh crap i just upgraded to kde 4..... i hope its not bug riddled and full of fail
[14:09] <jals> so yeah my login manager is for some reason not showing a theme
[14:09] <jals> just a blue window with a login popup
[14:10] <Dr_willis> I thought the kdm4 screen was rather simple looking..
[14:11] <Dr_willis> But i dont use kde4. :)
[14:11] <jals> i'm wondering if maybe i shouldn't either
[14:11] <Dr_willis> kdm4 dosent use the kdm3 themes.  not sure if there are any themes for it.
[14:11] <Dr_willis> You canuse kdm3 if you perfer
[14:11] <jals> how
[14:12] <jals> i'd like to do that
[14:12] <Dr_willis> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[14:12] <Dr_willis> should ask what one to use
[14:12] <jals> super
[14:13] <jals> i do remember setting then when i installed kde4, i thought it was asking for the default window manager ...
[14:13] <jals> oops
[14:13] <jals> ok what's next on my list of crap gone wrong
[14:14] <anyone]> hi i have some  problem
[14:15] <anyone]> hello
[14:16] <jpds> !ask | anyone]
[14:16] <sinan__> hello I need help with my mplayer
[14:17] <sinan__> xv video output gives error
[14:17] <sinan__> -vo ... stuff
[14:17] <anyone]> i have usb modem for dialup and is not work
[14:17] <nyuu> ?
[14:17] <nyuu> how can I fix it
[14:18]  * LiNuxBaBe <--- tot straks ofzo 
[14:20] <Dr_willis> nyuu,  try the other video out options in the perferances
[14:20] <anyone]> :x
[14:20] <nyuu> Hi Dr_willis ^^
[14:20] <nyuu> Dr_willis: I have tried nearly all of them.
[14:20] <shtoom> Hi, when I run d3lphin on hardy its taking forever to start and lot hard disk reading is going on
[14:20] <nyuu> Dr_willis: only the one gives me the video
[14:20] <Dr_willis> i also recall mplayer defaulting to pulse audio. which you want to change to alsa.
[14:20] <thanh_> hi everybody here
[14:20] <nyuu> Dr_willis: but I can't make it fullscreen
[14:21] <thanh_> could someone help me out, please??
[14:21] <Dr_willis> nyuu,  what one works depends omn your video card. and setup. Be sure you got the proper drivers installed.
[14:21] <anyone]> i have usb modem for dialup and is not work
[14:21] <shtoom> how ever konqueror is opening well
[14:21] <nyuu> Dr_willis: I don't know, it was working but when I reinstalled it...
[14:21] <nyuu> maybe I should restart the system
[14:22] <thanh_> i 've install kubuntu hardy and it run well , but i can't settting the number of the desktop
[14:23] <thanh_> because i like rotation cub
[14:23] <thanh_> hallo ist da jemand der mir helfen kann, bitte
[14:24] <anyone]> i have usb modem for dialup and is not work
[14:28] <compilerwriter> !de | thanh_
[14:29] <thanh_> but can't you help me out??
[14:29] <thanh_> join /kubuntu-de
[14:29] <compilerwriter> I think I might be able to thanh_, but only in English my German has gone to the dogs.
[14:30] <compilerwriter> I too like the cube thanh_
[14:31] <compilerwriter> English is the only appropriate language in this channel was all I was trying to point out to you.
[14:32] <compilerwriter> thanh_ have gottent the cube activated?
[14:44] <nyuu> hello
[14:44] <nyuu> I take "MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: decode_video" error with kubuntu
[14:47] <TimS> Whats the best compression format?
[14:48] <jussi01> !best > TimS
[14:48] <TimS> :(
[14:48] <TimS> I don't like that message
[14:49] <jussi01> TimS: there really isnt any best, horses for courses and such
[14:49] <TimS> Okay, whats a good compression alternative to Zip.
[14:49] <anyone]> i have usb modem for dialup and is not work
[14:49] <jussi01> tar.gz
[14:50] <jussi01> !modem | anyone]
[14:50] <anyone]> i try
[14:50] <anyone]> but did`t work
[14:50] <niko_it> c'è qualcuno?
[14:50] <jussi01> !it
[14:51] <niko_it> thanks
[14:51] <jussi01> :)
[14:51] <anyone]> ur  welcome
[14:52] <niko_it> :) thx
[14:53] <rysiek> hi all
[14:54] <rysiek> nybdy uses kontac/korganizer here?
[14:54] <rysiek> *anybody
[14:54] <jussi01> ryanakca: yes, many of us
[14:54] <jussi01> grr
[14:54] <jussi01> rysiek: ^
[14:54] <jussi01> (sorry ryanakca)
[14:54] <rysiek> I remember having korganizer show every day divided into hours
[14:55] <rysiek> now, I only have "Whole day" view, and can't seem to find a way to make it show the day divided into hours again
[14:55] <jussi01> rysiek: on mine its the little icons at the top f the screen
[14:55] <rysiek> yeah, I am clicking throuth them for the fifth time
[14:56] <rysiek> jussi01: I suppose you get the "by the hour" view when you click on the "Day" icon?
[14:56] <jussi01> rysiek: yes
[14:56] <rysiek> jussi01: or "Working week", etc, right?
[14:57] <jussi01> yep
[14:57] <rysiek> jussi01: yeah, well, get the day, but as a whole, without a possibility to select single hour(s)
[14:57] <rysiek> jussi01: and - which hurts most - without non-full-day events shown
[14:57] <jussi01> rysiek: bleh
[14:59] <rysiek> jussi01: yeah, getting on my nerves, really
[14:59] <rysiek> jussi01: I really don't want to have to debug the bugger by moving the korganizer conf dir, and then moving it back in, file by file, to see just what causes it
[15:00] <rysiek> thought there should be some obvious option I am missing
[15:00] <rysiek> meh.
[15:01] <jussi01> rysiek: what does your time configuration in configure calender look like?
[15:02] <rysiek> jussi01: want a screenshot? or some specific setting?
[15:03] <jussi01> rysiek: screenie could be helpful
[15:03] <rysiek> a sec
[15:06] <compilerwriter> rysiek the setting you need to fix may be in Calendar for which Kontackt is a front end.
[15:06] <nyuu> hello
[15:06] <nyuu> MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: decode_video
[15:06] <rysiek> compilerwriter: i.e.?
[15:06] <nyuu> my mplayer gives this error
[15:06] <nyuu> with wmv files
[15:06] <compilerwriter> I have been looking into it on my Korganizer and have not quite figured it out though.
[15:07] <rysiek> compilerwriter: can it be ical/vcal difference?
[15:08] <compilerwriter> I am not sure rysiek
[15:08] <rysiek> darn
[15:08] <rysiek> jussi01: will you acept a file transfer, or do you prefer http?
[15:10] <pteague_work> any time i run php from the terminal i end up getting this before normal output - "PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/imagick.so' - libWand.so.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0".  i have found "/usr/lib/libWand.so.10" so i'm wondering why the latest php5-imagick package isn't compiled against the latest imagemagick package
[15:13] <compilerwriter> rysiek jussi01 I could copy the appropriate stuff from my working files for you so that you two can diff them if that might help you.
[15:14] <compilerwriter> at any rate trying to help you two out has caused me to explore some settings I didn't know I have thanks
[15:15] <rysiek> compilerwriter: are you talking about korganizer source code, or some config/calendar files?
[15:15] <rysiek> compilerwriter: and thank you ;)
[15:15] <compilerwriter> The config files rysiek
[15:15] <rysiek> dig dig diggity-dig! bring 'em on
[15:16] <compilerwriter> I don't really keep anything personal in them.  The most you will find out is when my utility bills are due at the moment.  I use a handheld for the really important stuff just now.
[15:17] <compilerwriter> Ok then what files do you need me to copy for you.
[15:17] <rysiek> hmmm, a sec
[15:19] <bacaci__> can i remove ubuntu-standard?
[15:19] <bacaci__> it says that it's safe to remove
[15:19] <bacaci__> but I'm not too sure
[15:20] <bacaci__> I want to remove dselect, but apt-get will remove ubuntu-standard as well?
[15:20] <bacaci__> if I remove deselect then install ubuntu-standard, will that be ok, or would I just be spinning my wheels?
[15:25] <anyone]> i have problem with my  modem ,, my modem is Conexant D400 Usb ,, my os is Kubuntu 8.04 64bit .. my lap is xps dell m1330
[15:28] <vbgunz> anyone use virtualbox? when going seamless I cannot get it to go fullscreen. its smaller and sits dead center of the display... anyone know about this and how to fix it?
[15:33] <anyone]> i have problem with my  modem ,, my modem is Conexant D400 Usb ,, my os is Kubuntu 8.04 64bit .. my lap is xps dell m1330
[15:34] <milaja> hallöchen
[15:36] <bacaci__> wie bitte
[15:36] <Pici> !de
[15:36] <anyone]> !ar
[15:36] <anyone]> !arab
[15:37] <anyone]> !arabic
[15:42] <d1os_mio> kubuntu is the best!
[15:45] <geega> hi.. i installed beryl
[15:46] <geega> when i opened beryl-manager .. system is hanging
[15:46] <geega> if i do the settings after that.. when i reboot... beryl is working fine with what we done the setting up in beryl manager..
[15:46] <geega> how to make it handy
[15:47] <geega> ?
[15:48] <anyone]> i have problem with my  modem ,, my modem is Conexant D400 Usb ,, my os is Kubuntu 8.04 64bit .. my lap is xps dell m1330
[15:49] <geega> what it says ?
[15:57] <anyone]> i have problem with my  modem ,, my modem is Conexant D400 Usb ,, my os is Kubuntu 8.04 64bit .. my lap is xps dell m1330
[15:58] <jpds> !repeat | anyone]
[15:59] <anyone]> jpds because no one  answes me
[15:59] <anyone]> :\
[15:59] <anyone]> answer
[15:59] <d1os_mio> anyone], what is the problem?
[15:59] <jpds> anyone]: read what ubottu said.
[16:00] <anyone]> offf
[16:00] <anyone]> my modem did`t work
[16:00] <geega> hi.. i installed beryl
[16:00] <geega> if i do the settings after that.. when i reboot... beryl is working fine with what we done the setting up in beryl manager..
[16:00] <jpds> !beryl | geega
[16:00] <geega> how to make it handy
[16:00] <jpds> !compiz | geega
[16:01] <Roy_M> Hi, I just upgraded to kubuntu 8.04 and the sound on my laptop no longer works. Can anyone suggest some things that I can try to track down the problem?
[16:02] <ilya> to Roy_M-
[16:03] <Roy_M> ilya, didn't get that?
[16:03] <ilya> yeah, just choose the icon KMix, then 'Show KMix Window', then choose ""
[16:04] <Roy_M> There is a Current mixer field but I cannot change it to anything
[16:04] <ilya> ... then choose "Absolute Value", then get about 100% of sound. It'd helped me when I didn't hears the sound
[16:05] <Roy_M> Kmix is saying "Mixer cannot be found
[16:06] <ilya> If you see it in new, installed, version - then I can not say anything smart...
[16:07] <comune> fucka ya hell is monday
[16:07] <Roy_M> sorry, new, installed, version. I don't quite understand
[16:07] <Pici> comune: Please watch your language in here.
[16:07] <comune> Ok sorry
[16:08] <ilya> I'm a new user of *nix-like systems and if something happens, I reinstall whole system and start from scratch
[16:08] <Roy_M> ilya, ahhh no problem, I won't be doing that ;)
[16:09] <ilya> Kmix ->KMix Window ->Kmix Settings -> "absolute values" - this is my recipe
[16:10] <Roy_M> ilya, sure, thanks for your help :)
[16:10] <comune> Running Ubuntu 8.04 AMD64 almost full  .. runs like a glance !
[16:11] <ilya> I mean KMix icon at the taskbar... So, why are you at linux? I'm at first in IRC and at first out of the Windows OS's
[16:11] <comune> I've only a question for package conversion .. if I take a rpm and try to convert to .deb ..
[16:12] <comune> I use "alien" command .. Problem is that often I'd like to convert 32 bit package, and it won't allow me because of "architecture differences!"
[16:12] <ilya> comune needs a package called 'alien'
[16:12] <comune> Is not there an option like "--force-architecture" for dpkg also for alien ?
[16:13] <comune> ilya .. I know. The question is another one
[16:13] <jussi01> comune: no, you cant change the arch, you need to find the rpm with the correct architecture
[16:14] <jussi01> comune: alien is horrible - I wouldnt use it unles you _must_
[16:15] <comune> Until know I acted in this way: open I virtual machine (w/ Virtualbox or Vmware) where I have a VM running Ubuntu 32bit. I move the package .rpm there, converted with alien.
[16:15] <augusto> Hello guys...
[16:15] <comune> Then put back in AMD64 machine and installed with "dpkg -i --force-arch" ...
[16:15] <comune> Always with success .. but is not there a simpler way ?
[16:15] <augusto> I just compiled KDE4.1 from trunk, Do you know how to make kdm the default login manager on kubuntu?
[16:16] <ilya> what if the differences are all about the 32- and 64- bits? then you need a proper version of package I tseems there is a rpm.pbone.net or somethin like this where you can find the one
[16:16] <augusto> The kdm I just compiled...
[16:16] <jussi01> comune: you are going the right way to break things. what are you converting?
[16:16] <comune> augusto. Run dpkg-reconfigure kde
[16:16] <comune> and choose the new display manager u want
[16:16] <jussi01> kdm even ;)
[16:16] <comune> yes sorry .. sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[16:16] <augusto> But it will work with a kdm that I compiled? Not the oficial packages?
[16:17] <jussi01> augusto: also kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4
[16:17] <augusto> Ah, ok.. thank you
[16:17] <comune> Augusto in this case...
[16:17] <comune> edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[16:18] <comune> and put a entry with all path for your prefered dm
[16:18] <ilya> My Konqueror "can not see internet connection" as I call it - |I can not access to web-pages... What can I do? Do I need another browser as firefox?
[16:19] <DrSilent> are you sure you're connected in the first place?
[16:20] <ilya> what do you mean "in the first place"?
[16:20] <pim_> he means, is your internet connection working
[16:20] <DrSilent> well, do you know for sure if you're connected to the internet?
[16:20] <DrSilent> try pinging yahoo.com or something
[16:21] <ilya> or, no, it dosen't working... I imagine each one of you in my head :)
[16:21] <DrSilent> good point... but it didn't have to be the same computer :)
[16:22] <ilya> I have tried ya.ru since I'm russian
[16:23] <avtolik> hi guys, can you help me to revert from kwin4 to kwin3 manually ?
[16:23] <ilya> I think konqueror can understand an ftp protocol, but it do not understand html... Kubuntu 8.04 release
[16:27] <geega> if i start beryl-manager .. system is hanging..anybody have any idea about id.. do we need to do any extra settings then compiz site had the details
[16:28] <jussi01> geega: how old is your system o.0???
[16:29] <jussi01> !beryl | geega
[16:29] <geega> i installed compiz-fusion too
[16:29] <geega> my system is kubutu 8.0
[16:29] <jussi01> geega: get rid of/ignore beryl then
[16:30] <geega> why
[16:30] <jussi01> geega: because its obsolete
[16:30] <geega> is there any webconsole for that ?
[16:30] <jussi01> geega: I suggest you pop into #compiz-fusion and get some advice there
[16:31] <geega> u meant i should install only compiz-fusion
[16:31] <tuta> hi everyone....1st time in here
[16:31] <geega> i should not go to beryl with that right
[16:31] <jussi01> hi tuta
[16:31] <geega> i should not go to beryl with that right
[16:31] <tuta> hello to u 2
[16:31] <geega> only compiz-fustion how it will work
[16:32] <tuta> well first time using kubuntu also
[16:32] <tuta> fast and easy
[16:33] <geega> jussi01, is there any proof u have like beryl is obsolete for kubuntu 8.0
[16:34] <ilya> does somebody know something free and similar to " in fruity loops" in the world of open source?
[16:36] <jussi01> ilya: you mean the fruity loops music software?
[16:36] <ilya> yes
[16:36] <jussi01> ilya: would you care to join me in #ubuntustudio ?
[16:36] <ilya> and I absolutely do not know how 2 play... But I still curious about it
[16:38] <ilya> yes, I'm in ubunustudio also by now
[16:56] <irega> hi
[16:56] <irega> can anybody help me?
[16:57] <irega> i cant connect to Ares net with giFT....
[16:57] <ilya> no ,i can not help...
[16:58] <ilya> ...and do you really need it?
[17:01] <anyone]> i have problem with my  modem ,, my modem is Conexant D400 Usb ,, my os is Kubuntu 8.04 64bit .. my lap is xps dell m1330
[17:03] <mkultras> hey i'm getting these errors in my /var/log/syslog -> http://pastebin.com/m78b03371 does anyone know what is failing?
[17:09] <DrSilent> looks like a hard drive problem mkultras
[17:11] <DrSilent> or possibly dvd drive. Something you have plugged into an ATA slot
[17:14] <pim_> If I compile something on my pc using gcc, can it be run on other computers as well?
[17:14] <yakuzi> i've a problem concerning dual head on an Ati Radeon 9600 pro. a 19" CRT on VGA, a 20" TFT on DVI. CRT should run 1280x1024@85Hz, TFT should run 1680x1050@60Hz. Now i've them working in clone-mode, i want extended desktop. i can get some kind of extended desktop with xrandr, but the 3D is almost not doable (a frame/sec or so) so what i find on the internet is to adjust xorg.conf, but i don't know exact what i should change
[17:19] <robin_> can anyone here help me with amork
[17:19] <robin_> amarok
[17:19] <ilya> amarok can not play restricted formats of multimedia?
[17:20] <robin_> this is what is happening
[17:20] <pim_> !ask|robin_
[17:20] <ilya> you need libxine-ffmmpg or something like this, whole
[17:20] <nitin> how to install GTK devel packages
[17:21] <ilya> installation takes 35 mb but this package I have called needs 5 or 8 mb...
[17:21] <robin_> amarok is playing the radio station and i have other sound that dose come though my speakers ,and the internet feed shows amaroke is reciveing the feed  but it wont play the sound
[17:22] <ilya> i cannot help, i have no deals with it
[17:23] <nitin> is there any way to install gtk devel packages in kubuntu
[17:23] <robin_> can sommmeone point me to a room that i mit find help with amarok
[17:23] <pim_> nitin have you checked the repositories?
[17:23] <pim_> robin_ #amarok
[17:24] <llutz> nitin: aptitude install libgtk2.0-dev
[17:24] <pim_> llutz why not apt?
[17:25] <llutz> pim_: i prefer aptitude
[17:25] <pim_> ah well I like apt better
[17:26] <pim_> nitin you could also do sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[17:26] <nitin> ok
[17:27] <llutz> pim_: basically this is why http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html
[17:27] <ilya> Can Konqueror see web pages at yours Kubuntu 8.04? Do I need another browser 4 this purpose? Who can help? Whom's this fault? Who shall have an answer? Who is the one who's my enemy? :)
[17:28] <pim_> llutz it's a front end, not the tool itself and it is about debian and not kubuntu
[17:28] <llutz> pim_: apt-get is a apt-frontend too. and yes, i prefer debian too
[17:29] <pim_> llutz are you on debian now?
[17:29] <llutz> this is the last kubuntu-pc :)
[17:29] <pim_> heh
[17:29] <pim_> Is it up to date?
[17:29] <llutz> nope
[17:29] <llutz> gutsy
[17:30] <pim_> I meant debian actually :p
[17:30] <pim_> I head complaints that the drivers were not up to date
[17:30] <llutz> pim_: i don't have any hardware needing special "last-minute" drivers
[17:31] <Jucato> ilya: take a look at Tools -> Archive Web Page
[17:31] <ilya> ok
[17:31] <Jucato> ilya: er.. nvm.. misread
[17:31] <ilya> ok
[17:31] <Jucato> I misread "see" for "save"
[17:32] <ilya> yeah, but can you see web through konqueror?
[17:32] <eagles0513875> hey Jucato
[17:32] <ilya> I', on /dev/ttyusb0 siemens m50
[17:34] <Jucato> hi eagles0513875
[17:34] <eagles0513875> Jucato: hows everything on kubuntu front as well as problem solving front
[17:35] <Jucato> eagles0513875: going crazy :)
[17:35] <eagles0513875> lol you serious
[17:36] <ilya> wow! everything is ok since Tools > Do not Use proxy! Belissimo! Linux + internet! Finally! At first time!
[17:37] <nitin> hello
[17:37] <pim_> hi
[17:38] <nitin> pim: i compiled mplayer without graphical interface and i am playing mp3 file now by using terminal
[17:39] <ilya> great
[17:39] <nitin> pim: do i need to install win32 codecs to be able to play video files?
[17:40] <moshe_> hi, the networkmanager service leaks memory, so i have to restart it once in a while, but i didn't find specific service in /etc/init.d for networkmanager, so have to restart dbus, but then it restarts guidance/power, and it breaks the systray icon
[17:40] <ilya> libxine-ffmmpg let my pc to play mp3 and wmv-video
[17:40] <moshe_> how to restart just networkmanager service?
[17:40] <eagles0513875> Jucato:  having an issue here with updating a particular repo
[17:40] <nitin> ilya: to enable gui what should i do?
[17:40] <eagles0513875> Jucato: this is the error GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[17:40] <ilya> it seems, I do not know it absolutely
[17:40] <pim_> ntin no you don't need that
[17:41] <Jucato> eagles0513875: try sudo apt-get update
[17:41] <Jucato> or is that what you get?
[17:41] <eagles0513875> Jucato: ok
[17:41] <eagles0513875> thats what i get
[17:41] <nitin> ilya: i have libxine-ffmpeg installed
[17:41] <ilya> ntin, the fact you listen it from console is great - it is a vintage with no grange
[17:42] <eagles0513875> ran it again says to update to correct the problem but still get same issue Jucato
[17:42] <Jucato> hm...
[17:42] <Jucato> eagles0513875: no clue as to what's going on.. and I'm about to go to bed :(
[17:43] <ilya> ntin, full installation of codecs takes 35 mb and u need 2 install few libraries, I'll have checked at my hdd, wait a minute
[17:44] <eagles0513875> jussi01: you around bro
[17:44] <eagles0513875> Jucato: the bots name has changed lol
[17:44] <eagles0513875> !help
[17:44] <ubott2> Hi! I'm #kubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[17:45] <ilya> no, I have not saved page and kubuntu.ru is on the technical ...srvice
[17:48] <nitin> ilya: i am able to play video file also from mplayer
[17:49] <ilya> this is "a vintage + ice cream with no grange + a spoon of filthy mucus" - as we say in russia!
[17:50] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me i keep getting this message when i run sudo apt-get update
[17:50] <eagles0513875> GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[17:51] <ilya> I saw words "you are actually not possible 2 compile wine from source under kubuntu... just install it thru K > System settings > Advanced > Wine. Does it have a sence? Installation of wine 'from the menu' takes 8 mb, installation from 13-megabytes source tarball needs additional libraries, which include, also, 24 mb of "something"...
[17:53] <Githzerai> ilya: It doesn't make any sence to me. I've compiled it few times......
[17:53] <eagles0513875> ilya: simple way is to run sudo apt-get install wine
[17:55] <ilya> ...and it takes 'relatively old' version of vine from the repository, which is created 4 ubuntu...
[17:56] <ilya> but... well, I still has not compiled anything under my kubuntu 8.04...
[17:56] <nitin> ilya: how to change to directory that is named like this 'english visual.' when i type cd english visual, it shows error
[17:57] <ilya> I'm not a good user of *nix-like systems, but it seems a bad way to 'work' with directories, wich have a space in the name... I do not know
[17:58] <llutz> nitin: cd english\ visual
[17:59] <ilya> rename it english-visual and if cd english-visual works, my last words... oh, llutz has toughted us..
[17:59] <RurouniJones> spaces and other special characters need to be escaped. use tab completion where possible to get directory names.
[18:01] <ilya> Tab completition means such a completitions, which ... ah.. ends up on tab?
[18:03] <Pici> ilya: No, it means that you start typing the directory name then press tab
[18:03] <Pici> And it completes it for you.
[18:03] <rickest> another bot?
[18:03] <Pici> rickest: ?
[18:04] <rickest> ilya: say something about the weather
[18:04] <ilya> ok, I'm already in the console...
[18:04] <Pici> rickest: ilya is not a bot.
[18:04] <rickest> Pici: interesting
[18:05] <ilya> weather is on the street, weather is a condidtion of the biosphere... Why do u need this?
[18:09] <Jahromeo> can anyone tell me if the flash in the repos is working? i remember in 7.04 it was broken
[18:09] <compilerwriter> Is there a disk partitioning software that will let me move data and repartition my little drive without destroying my current installation in the process?
[18:09] <Jahromeo> you had to manually go to adobe and dl it , is that still the issue?
[18:09] <Githzerai> Jahromeo: Works. Sudo aptitude install flashplayer-nonfree
[18:09] <Jahromeo> !qtparted > compilerwriter
[18:09] <sylvia> hey, im having trouble getting my wifi to work in kubuntu. when i try and connect, knetwork manager gets stuck oon "ip configuration started" then just doesnt get any further. any ideas?
[18:10] <Jahromeo> thats Githzerai i just remember in 7.04 that that didnt work/was buggered in the repos
[18:10] <Jahromeo> Githzerai:  funny seeing someone right aptitude instead of apt get
[18:11] <sylvia> and i have an identical kubuntu box next to it that its working fine on incidentally
[18:11] <Githzerai> Jahromeo: Works for sure.
[18:11] <Jahromeo> will that plugin work for both ffox 3 and konqueror?
[18:12] <Jahromeo> what is the shortcut for catapult?
[18:12] <Jahromeo> katapult
[18:12] <ilya> what is a distance, which can be gone through with wifi device? I intent to play games through wifi but i do not know anything about wifi
[18:13] <llutz> Jahromeo: alt-space
[18:13] <eagles0513875> ilya: dependes on the location
[18:13] <Jahromeo> ta
[18:13] <ilya> air and laptop -2-laptop
[18:14] <ilya> eastern europe
[18:14] <ilya> earth :)
[18:14] <Jahromeo> ilya: depends on lots of factors - distance - line of sight - frequency - noise (e.g. how many other devices on same freq) etc
[18:15] <eagles0513875> when i run sudo apt-get update i get GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[18:15] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me fix this
[18:16] <ilya> yeah, I has got it. I have only been using bluetooth earlier.
[18:17] <Jahromeo> what vid drivers do i need to dl on kubuntu to enable compiz?
[18:17] <Jahromeo> or do they come with the glx-new installed or whatever it should be
[18:17] <eagles0513875> Jahromeo: thats dependent on your video card
[18:17] <ilya> Your signing key is probably not valid, because someone else use it and one of you is a bad guy!
[18:17] <Jahromeo> glx-new when i was using ubuntu
[18:17] <eagles0513875> ilya: its not me
[18:17] <Jahromeo> do i need to install that or does kubuntu auto have drivers up
[18:18] <eagles0513875> Jahromeo: you ever use the hardware drivers manager under system
[18:18] <eagles0513875> i would look there that usually finds the appropriate driver for ones card
[18:18] <ilya> ok, I already wanted to get together fbi, csi, lapd and abcd
[18:18] <eagles0513875> ?
[18:20] <eagles0513875> have any newer pkgs been released today
[18:20] <Jahromeo> eagles0513875:  not quite sure where to look
[18:20] <ilya> I mean a two different people, two different computers with absolutely same operating system, which signing Key has been used at the same time... I mean a crime.
[18:20] <eagles0513875> Jahromeo: look under system
[18:20] <eagles0513875> Jahromeo: then click on hardware drivers manager
[18:22] <spyke> hi all - I'm considering installing a more up-to-date version of a program using subversion (svn), but... if I don't like that version/if the version isn't 100% ready yet, can I UNINSTALL software installed through svn?
[18:23] <spyke> i've combed the forums and can't find much about svn...
[18:23] <eagles0513875> Jahromeo: you find it
[18:24] <Jahromeo> yeah thanks eagles0513875 - its enabled now - do i still need the glx-new drivers for kubuntu for compiz
[18:24] <Jahromeo> or ?:
[18:24] <eagles0513875> Jahromeo: nope just reboot and install compiz
[18:27] <sylvia> hey, im having trouble getting my wifi to work in kubuntu. when i try and connect, knetwork manager gets stuck oon "ip configuration started" then just doesnt get any further. any ideas? i have anther kubuntu box running fine FWIW
[18:28] <AussiedeviL> hey all
[18:28] <eagles0513875> sylvia: same here i have issues connecting to secure wifi connections
[18:29] <AussiedeviL> anybody had any luck with kubuntu and the latest nvidia drivers?
[18:29] <david_> hi, this may sound silly, but i cant figure out how to enable color in 'screen;
[18:29] <david_> 'screen' sorry
[18:29] <Dr_willis> They seem to work here.. but whats 'latest' just released this week?
[18:30] <Dr_willis> david_,  color for what? the prompt and ls output have color codes that should work.
[18:30] <AussiedeviL> ver 173.14.09
[18:30] <Dr_willis> mc has color here in screen also.
[18:30] <david_> Dr_willis: for example elinks under screen is mono
[18:31] <david_> Dr_willis: and rtorrent
[18:31] <llutz> david_: http://www4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~jnweiger/screen-faq.html
[18:31] <Dr_willis> could be elinks needs to be told a dirrernt term type I guess.
[18:31] <Dr_willis> echo $TERM
[18:31] <Dr_willis> screen
[18:31] <AussiedeviL> im trying to get it to install on a laptop with dual graphics cards....install fine but when it reboots i get tty1 and no gui...init.d says kdm-kde4 is running?
[18:32] <david_> grovy
[18:32] <Dr_willis> AussiedeviL,  try the laptops 'monitor switch' keys - i have seen one laptop that for some reason defaulted to the video out, not the onvoard screen like that.
[18:32] <AussiedeviL> really 2 secs
[18:33] <eagles0513875> sup doc
[18:33] <AussiedeviL> hmm no joy unfortunatley
[18:34] <arroz> lol
[18:34] <AussiedeviL> im running it in a vm would this affect it?
[18:35] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: can you help me fix my issue
[18:36] <david_> llutz: i added those two lines to my .screenrc without success
[18:36] <david_> any other tips?
[18:37] <david_> ls color works
[18:37] <AussiedeviL> srry to jum in eagle ill wait until urs is all sorted
[18:37] <david_> just not rtorrent/elinks
[18:37] <eagles0513875> AussiedeviL: you dont have to wait for me to get mine sorted
[18:37] <eagles0513875> AussiedeviL: heres the rule
[18:37] <eagles0513875> AussiedeviL: 2 rules
[18:37] <eagles0513875> !ask | AussiedeviL
[18:37] <ubott2> AussiedeviL: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[18:38] <eagles0513875> AussiedeviL: there is no queue here
[18:38] <ilya> switch off the computer :) love good lady, get a child... computers are bad...
[18:38] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:38] <AussiedeviL> lol
[18:38] <eagles0513875> wish i could be as lucky like u ilya with finding a gd lady
[18:39] <eagles0513875> !ot | eagles0513875
[18:39] <eagles0513875> lol offtopic to myself
[18:39] <sylvia> hey, im having trouble getting my wifi to work in kubuntu. when i try and connect, knetwork manager gets stuck oon "ip configuration started" then just doesnt get any further. any ideas? i have anther kubuntu box running fine FWIW.
[18:39] <david_> llutz: obviously you dont know what your talking about, but i thank you for showing me how much better you think you are than me
[18:40] <llutz> david_: fullmoon or what do you try to tell me?
[18:40] <ilya> david, you have probably installed an 'server' version - black&white one...
[18:41] <david_> llutz: you could have saved me all the guess work and just said RTFM or even good england
[18:41] <llutz> david_: good night
[18:43] <ilya> my "server+opensource only" version of kubuntu was black & white
[18:43] <david_> Dr_willis: i think screen works with colors intermittently. as you suggested 'mc' works fine with color under screen
[18:44] <Dr_willis> david_,  i think its more of the programs  and how they use color, and how they handle the TERM types
[18:44] <Dr_willis> try export TERM=xterm and see if they work. :)
[18:44] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[18:44] <david_> my echo $TERM outputs 'linux'
[18:44] <david_> ok
[18:44] <Dr_willis> Mine outpiuts 'screen' here when i am in screen
[18:45] <david_> Dr_willis: same
[18:45] <Dr_willis> color under the term is just a matter of the programs printing out the right color codes.
[18:45] <Dr_willis> so i would imagine some how its the app thats  trying to be 'smart'
[18:46] <Dr_willis> I rarely use screen much. SO havent bothered with  the color stuff.
[18:46] <Dr_willis> night all
[18:47] <ilya> Do somebody like ultimate survival on Discovery? I "has gone to look TV"
[18:47] <eagles0513875> !ot | ilya
[18:47] <ubott2> ilya: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[18:48] <Jahromeo> anyone know how i replace my window manager if compiz has messed up the icons e.g. close/minimize
[18:48] <eagles0513875> Jahromeo: wish i could help ya with that but i have no idea
[18:50] <rickest> Jahromeo: usually just need to log out of KDE and back in
[18:51] <eagles0513875> Jahromeo: aka restarting x with ctrl + alt + backspace
[18:51] <rickest> Jahromeo: or depending on your level of cmdline proficiency, 'pkill compiz' (add -KILL if it won't otherwise die), then run your compiz-fusion startup script again or 'compiz --replace --sm-disable ccp'
[18:51] <Jahromeo> how do i enable compiz on startup rickest
[18:52] <rickest> Jahromeo: that info is in every compiz HOWTO guide out there
[18:53] <ilya> ok
[18:56] <ilya> engineer must see my ansysed.narod.ru
[19:06] <deyring> ok i cant get the control window up in KDE can i have some help plz
[19:09]  * LiNuxBaBe is back :)
[19:20] <Partizan> Ïðèâåò íàðîä
[19:20] <Partizan> À æèâûå åñòü
[19:21] <eagles0513875> Partizan: what language
[19:21] <eagles0513875> !pr | Partizan
[19:21] <ubott2> Factoid pr not found
[19:21] <eagles0513875> !po
[19:21] <ubott2> Factoid po not found
[19:22] <Pici> What language are you looking for eagles0513875?
[19:23] <eagles0513875> Pici: look up at Partizan
[19:23] <eagles0513875> not sure what language hes after
[19:24] <Pici> eagles0513875: Russian, I think, but hes in #ubuntu-ru already
[19:24] <Partizan> eagles0513875: òîëüêî ðóññêèé Sorry
[19:24] <Partizan> Pici: ok
[19:27] <Partizan> Pici: Stat ??
[19:29] <justin_> is there a launcher for kde that is like the one on the mac
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> justin_: whats the mac one called?
[19:30] <justin_> idk, i just call it the launcher.  it is the thing on the bottom of the screen
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> !katapult | justin_
[19:30] <ubott2> justin_: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> justin_: if you can get its name then I might know something that smells the same
[19:30] <justin_> not that.  like cairo, but better
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> justin_: like a dock?
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> !kdocker
[19:31] <ubott2> Factoid kdocker not found
[19:31] <justin_> yea
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> !kiba-dock
[19:31] <ubott2> Factoid kiba-dock not found
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> !info kibadock
[19:31] <ubott2> Package kibadock does not exist in hardy
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> ffs
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> justin_: thats not alauncher in a linux sense
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> justin_: a launcher brings up a gui offering apps and vanishes when you have run something or closed it
[19:32] <justin_> o sorry
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> justin_: you want kibadock or kdocker
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> justin_: http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/bigkHUDlc.jpg
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> justin_: kibadock at the bottom
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> justin_: I believe its in repos
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> justin_:  or kooldock
[19:35] <ActionParsnip> justin_: some peopel like Avant window navigator (AWN)
[19:35] <justin_> ok
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> http://www.queervisions.com/img/awn/awn_green.jpg
[19:36] <justin_> ill try it.  is it n repo
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> justin_: think so, theres walkthroughs everywhere
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> !awn | justin_
[19:36] <ubott2> justin_: Avant Window Navigator is a dock-like navigation bar for the Linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/ Awn-Manager can be found the Gutsy !backports repository and in Universe in Hardy
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> bingo
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> I get them right sometimes
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> !coffee | justin_
[19:36] <ubott2> justin_: coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[19:39] <jals> how do i remove kde 4.1 beta?
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> jals: id jump into #kubuntu-kde4
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> !kde4 | jals
[19:41] <ubott2> jals: KDE 4.0.5 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.5.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:42] <jon__> can anyone tell me how to stop refreshing a list please
[19:42] <jon__> in IRC
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> jon__: how do you mean?
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> refreshing what list?
[19:43] <jon__> ActionParsnip like when you refresh a list ona irc network sometimes the refreshing takes long
[19:43] <jon__> ActionParsnip a channel list
[19:44] <ruiz> hello?
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> jon__: thats what i needed :D
[19:44] <ruiz> yeeah
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> jon__: theres usually a stop button
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> jon__: what client?
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> !hi | ruiz
[19:44] <ubott2> ruiz: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[19:44] <jon__> ActionParsnip Konversation
[19:44] <ruiz> thanks haha
[19:45] <ruiz> this is a wonderful desktop, woow
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> ruiz: which one?
[19:45] <ruiz> kubuntu, of course
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> jon__: is there no stop button? how are you getting the list?
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> ruiz: kubuntu is not a desktop, do you mean kde?
[19:46] <ruiz> hah, yes yes
[19:46] <jon__> ActionParsnip i egt the list with the command /list
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> ruiz: kde4?
[19:46] <jon__> ActionParsnip there is no stop button
[19:46] <ruiz> where are you from?
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> jon__: theres a gui bit for it with a stop button i believe
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> ruiz: uk :D, you?
[19:47] <ruiz> spain, barcelona
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> ruiz: did you watch the footbal?
[19:47] <ruiz> I'm not very good in english but i do what i can
[19:47] <ruiz> haha
[19:47] <ruiz> ooh, yes yes
[19:47] <ruiz> we are the chamiooons hahah
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> i didnt fond it a very good game but glad spain won
[19:48] <jon__> i saw the game too sad for ballack 5th final in a row he lost
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> jon__: is there a channel list bit in konversation
[19:48] <mmo|> Hi I just installed kubuntu 8.04 but I have no network!
[19:48] <mmo|> My eth0 seems to be missing...
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: ok can you give us the output of lspci?
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> !paste | mmo|
[19:49] <ubott2> mmo|: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[19:49] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: yes...to secs
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: put all the text in there so we can study
[19:49] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: its a bit tricky...because I write from another machine
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: if you can find the bit thats your ethernet card, just type that in the room
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: typing all that is a massive task
[19:51] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: I get Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet (rev a2)
[19:51] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: also a lot of Unknown device messages but that seems to be regarding the RAM
[19:52] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: hmm strange, they usually work out of the box
[19:52] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: let me search
[19:52] <mmo|> if I try sudo ifup eth0, I get "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0"
[19:53] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: but when typing ifconfig, eth0 is listed...
[19:54] <ruiz> well i go out, i have some work to do, see you!
[19:54] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: ok its a known bug
[19:54] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/+bug/136836
[19:54] <ubott2> Launchpad bug 136836 in linux "Ethernet (nVidia MCP55) not working [ gutsy, hardy]" [Medium,New]
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: follow the instruction by tom, appears to work. Get your LAN ok and do a full update
[19:55] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: hey, great! I will give it a try!
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: websearching is the way bro
[19:56] <cliff_> hi i am new to ubuntu can some one help me?
[19:57] <jon__> cliff_ can try
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> cliff_: wassup
[19:57] <cliff_> have ati radeon 7500 video card and trying to get dual monitors
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> !dualhead | cliff_
[19:58] <ubott2> cliff_: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[19:58] <cliff_> ok
[20:00] <cliff_> see i dont realy get the console that you have to use
[20:01] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: GREAT...it worked! Thanks a lot. Do you know what it was that I actually did?
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: ok you are new to linux so i'll explain a little
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: in windows the kernel is monolithic, it does what it does and thats all
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: in linux the kernel is modular and you can add and remove modules as required to add stuff you need
[20:03] <cliff_> ok
[20:03] <rickest> linux is a monolithic kernel, too
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: the module for your network card is loaded at boot but for that particular card it is not right
[20:03] <cliff_> video?
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> rickest: then howcome you can modprobe modules into it
[20:03] <rickest> ActionParsnip: those are drivers
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> rickest: its a kernel module
[20:04] <rickest> that's exactly what the great debate between Tanenbaum and Torvalds was about
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: so we removed the module then shoved it back in with different settings
[20:04] <v6lur> why cant i 'do-release-upgrade' from hardy to intrepid?
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> rickest: i sit on the side of its called modprobe not driprobe
[20:04] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: ok! Thanks for the info! Normally the settings would not stay when reboot or?
[20:05] <rickest> ActionParsnip: that's a binary distinction, not kernel architecture
[20:05] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: get updated man, if the update doesnt fix it you may have to add that set of instructions to your bootup to make it permanent but hopefully the update will fix it
[20:05] <ActionParsnip> rickest: thats how i see it
[20:06] <rickest> ActionParsnip: then you see it wrong, sorry. linux is a monolithic kernel
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> rickest: and it kinda makes sense how you plug in a module to the kernel to make it work
[20:06] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: yes, I also figure that the update fixes it. I was just curious if the modprobe thing stays after a reboot?
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> rickest: fine
[20:06] <rickest> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Architecture
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: no, they are loaded in when you boot
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> rickest: im busy and i really dont care
[20:06] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: yes, ok.
[20:07] <rickest> ActionParsnip: you don't care that you're wrong?  interesting
[20:08] <ActionParsnip> rickest: no i dont care
[20:08] <rickest> works for me
[20:09] <cliff_> what is comand line to see what video card is hooked up?
[20:09] <rickest> cliff_: lcpsi, lshw
[20:10] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: hm, the update did not fix it unfortunately. :-( Where do I add them to the bootup?
[20:10] <mmo|> ...or anyone for that matter... :-)
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: its in the think i linked you
[20:11] <cliff_> ok so at the begining of the terminal i just type : lcpsi? it is not working sorry is there a better room to ask about this in
[20:11] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: oh, sorry, I see
[20:11] <cliff_> pretty much need step by step instructions
[20:14] <deyring> any1 know how to change the sound scheme on KDE>
[20:14] <rickest> cliff_: my typo, sorry: lspci
[20:15] <coil> how do i get rid of the splash screen on bootup?
[20:15] <appu> frnds, i cant do a clean shutdown wit my ubuntu,i need to press the power button manually
[20:15] <Githzerai> coil: use startup manager (sum)
[20:16] <coil> but my computer wont boot
[20:16] <coil> im trying to find out why
[20:16] <rickest> coil: remove 'splash' from your boot line in /boot/grub/menu.lst or you can do that interactive at the boot menu by pressing 'e' and removing 'splash'
[20:17] <coil> thanks rickest ill try that
[20:17] <cliff_> ok it is radeon 7500 but could not find a good driver for it
[20:17] <rickest> coil: the first method is permanent, the second for a one-time try only
[20:18] <jon__> coil if that doesnt one of the easiest ways to solve any grub is using a live cd called super grub
[20:18] <jon__> coil it fixes most grub issues
[20:18] <deyring> any1 know how to change the sound scheme in KDE?
[20:18] <coil> jon__: the kernel boots, but it just sticks there
[20:19] <[A]Li> hello there how can i install flash in kubuntu
[20:19] <[A]Li> i tried the web but cant succeeded
[20:19] <coil> oh the resolution is too small to see the segfault
[20:19] <deyring> because i had a good sound scheme going but it changed for some reason
[20:20] <Githzerai> coil: pres alt+f1 during boot
[20:21] <coil> it freezes up before i can do that
[20:21] <HighHo> [A]Li, you can install the package flashplugin-nonfree
[20:22] <jon__> coil is this your first boot after install?
[20:22] <coil> no
[20:22] <cliff_> ok when i tried to activate dualheads got message
[20:22] <cliff_> Uninitialised file found, configuring.
[20:22] <cliff_> Segmentation fault
[20:22] <coil> it's been working fine, then during the night something happened and my computer crashed
[20:23] <jon__> coil can you recall what applications you were dealing with
[20:23] <coil> well all i had running with x-chat and i was doing a rsync
[20:24] <cliff_> any one still with me?
[20:24] <cliff_> cliff@cliff-desktop:~$  aticonfig --dtop=horizontal --overlay-on=1
[20:24] <cliff_> Warning: Failed to set hardware overlay to head 1 immediately.
[20:24] <cliff_> Warning: Option 'DesktopSetup' doesn't affect running session.
[20:24] <cliff_> aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Resource temporarily unavailable.
[20:24] <cliff_> No ATI fglrx device was found in the file: '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'.
[20:24] <cliff_> Please run 'aticonfig --initial' or change the 'Driver' part of your configuration
[20:24] <cliff_> file to "fglrx" and run aticonfig again.
[20:24] <cliff_> cliff@cliff-desktop:~$
[20:25] <jon__> coil do you get any errors?
[20:26] <[A]Li> sorry i got d/c
[20:26] <[A]Li> i cant run the youtube videos
[20:26] <coreymon77> !pastebin | cliff_
[20:26] <ubott2> cliff_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:26] <[A]Li> how can i install flash
[20:26] <coil> yeah it looks like a segfault or something when it boots up
[20:26] <[A]Li> for firefox
[20:26] <[A]Li> to run the flash videos?
[20:26] <HighHo> [A]Li, you can install the package flashplugin-nonfree
[20:26] <coil> but the screen scrolls too fast to see what it was in
[20:26] <JoshOvki> how do i get the UUID of a drive?
[20:27] <jon__> coil did you try kubuntu recovery mode?
[20:27] <coil> not yet
[20:27] <[A]Li> non-free?
[20:27] <jon__> i think you should
[20:27] <cliff_> thanks my bad
[20:27] <[A]Li> but i dont have money to pay
[20:27] <Schorfi> JoshOvki: blkid /dev/xxxxx
[20:27] <deyring> whats coils prob
[20:27] <JoshOvki> Schorfi: thanks :)
[20:27] <appu> i am unable to shutdown properly
[20:27] <[A]Li> cant i run flash free?
[20:28] <HighHo> [A]Li, you dont have to pay, the nonfree is with regards to it not being an open project
[20:28] <Schorfi> JoshOvki: err... it's sudo blkid bla
[20:28] <coreymon77> [A]Li: nonfree just means its not open source
[20:28] <[A]Li> oh ok how to innstall it?
[20:28] <deyring> appu u may be able to get flash from aptitude, synaptic, or apt-get
[20:28] <coil> jon__: it looks like recovery mode booted
[20:28] <coil> now it's asking me to resume notrmal boot, repair borken packages...
[20:28] <JoshOvki> Schorfi: i knew the sudo part, or i would have worked it out
[20:29] <JoshOvki> :)
[20:29] <appu> deyring i cant shutdown properly
[20:29] <[A]Li> can u give me the exact command?
[20:29] <Schorfi> ok ;)
[20:29] <jon__> coil just as safety repair the broken
[20:29] <HighHo> [A]li open consol window and type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[20:29] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me get rid of this annoying error
[20:29] <deyring> ahh
[20:29] <jon__> coil and there will be 2 more options i dont remember
[20:30] <coil> try to fix x server, trooop to root shell, resume normal
[20:30] <eagles0513875> nm my porblem fixed itself
[20:30] <jon__> coil okay after fixiing try normal boot
[20:30] <deyring> i used to have a problem shutting down dapper but  added RAM because i didnt have enough, then i eventually got to hardy
[20:31] <coil> okay it booted...
[20:31] <coil> so wtf
[20:31] <cliff_> ok getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/24065/
[20:31] <coil> and i just logged in
[20:31] <jon__> coil alright i think it should work then try restarting through normal boot
[20:31] <cristian> problem kubuntu 8.4 KNetworkManager dialup menu expands to thin empty box
[20:32] <coil> it just locked up
[20:32] <coreymon77> dialup? wow, thats a blast from the past
[20:32] <coil> when trying to click on shutdown
[20:32] <eagles0513875> this is messed up
[20:32] <jon__> coil hmmmmmm
[20:32] <eagles0513875>  there r updated pkgs that im downloading but its showing they going to take up no space After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used
[20:32] <eagles0513875> is that even possible
[20:33] <jon__> coil did you try and fix xserver?
[20:33] <cliff_> there a better server for this?
[20:33] <coreymon77> eagles0513875: it could just replace the old ones, thereby not using any more extra space
[20:33] <eagles0513875> coreymon77: gotcha
[20:34] <_CrashMaster_> Can I use a kubuntu install to run chkdsk on a windows drive?
[20:34] <eagles0513875> _CrashMaster_: there is no such thing as chkdsk on kubuntu
[20:34] <coil> let me try that
[20:35] <coreymon77> lol, i remember scan disk
[20:35] <eagles0513875> lol same here i still use it
[20:35] <eagles0513875> vista's has become much slower then xps
[20:35] <coreymon77> ...
[20:35] <jon__> coil gt to go dude all the best with ur prob
[20:35] <coil> thanks
[20:35] <eagles0513875> coreymon77: i have my other lappy with vista on it
[20:35] <coreymon77> serves you right for getting vista
[20:35] <_CrashMaster_> Bummer. Need to fix the boot volume, but the box in question refuses to boot from optical media.
[20:36] <jon__> coil oops no i dont have to go
[20:36] <coreymon77> _CrashMaster_: not possible, the boot sequence is probably just turned about
[20:36] <coil> oh crap wtf is this
[20:36] <jon__> silly me ;(
[20:36] <coil> "pci parity error!
[20:36] <coil> press f1 to contiue, f2 to reboot
[20:36] <coil> but if i press either f1 or f2 nothing happens :/
[20:37] <jon__> coil unchartered territory for me when does this error come?
[20:37] <_CrashMaster_> coreymon77: No, I mean the box in question will NOT boot from optical media (bad dvd drive)
[20:37] <coreymon77> coil: lol, i love it when stuff like that happens
[20:37] <coreymon77> coil: funiest error ive ever seen, "keyboard error, press any key to continue"
[20:38] <coil> starting up
[20:38] <coil> coreymon77: lol
[20:38] <jon__> coil this time have to go
[20:38] <coil> lol
[20:50] <ilya> drawing program brlcad.org needs some libraries... Last time it was something for W-ies right nowwindow system. Xlib.h - what is it? xlib.h - I cannot scratch the repositor
[20:50] <ilya> ..the repositories right now.
[20:52] <slow-motion> hi
[20:55] <HighHo> ilya, are you asking which package you need for them files?
[20:55] <ilya> yes,
[20:56] <HighHo> Im not 100%, but sounds like the xorg-dev pacakge
[20:58] <ilya> but it must be something "essential", and last time, I couldn't '"make" program because of  'mistakes' in .... ok xorg-dev "sounds" possible, but I' llhave checked it not soon
[20:59] <HighHo> wait around if needed, im sure someone with more experince will confirm for you
[21:02] <ilya> I really do not understand why didn't they put some essentially-needed libraries into the installation... I had to compile program while I had bad internet, and there were needed gcc, glib, etc... I know they wanted to offer fresh versions, but I miss for 'old' distributions on few cds
[21:02] <NickPresta> ilya, what do you need?
[21:03] <HighHo> you can install the package build-essential, which will install most the things needed to compile software
[21:03] <NickPresta> what do you mean how? no internet access?
[21:03] <ilya> cheap internet since I have 2 download about 40 mb of libraries in addition to 22 mb of brlcad's tarball. But, seriously, I need a cup of cocoa.
[21:04] <orph3n> hi
[21:11] <ilya> Do we have a room about finite element method - fem or fea here, on kubuntu.org?
[21:12] <appu> frnds
[21:13] <appu> my sister installed ubuntu on my lap,she erased the entire hard disk,is there anyway to recover those files
[21:14] <ilya> There is a freeware as OnTrack Easy Data Recovery - under Windows OS, I used it...
[21:15] <appu> but the only partition i have is linux
[21:16] <HighHo> appu did it used to be windows?
[21:16] <appu> yes
[21:16] <appu> it was ntfs
[21:17] <ilya> There is surely a versions and just another programs 4 linux. Also, such programs can treat the hard disk as raw and can arrange files into "Folder.ext/file01.ext", etc
[21:17] <HighHo> there might be some bootdisk software, but im unsure of any software that will recreate things from a ntfs partion to a linux one.
[21:18] <appu> oh god
[21:18] <ilya> u probably will not want to observe such arranged files and folders and folder "Folder.odt" with about 600 items as 01.odt, 02.odt, etc
[21:19] <appu> yes,tats righ
[21:19] <appu> t
[21:19] <ilya> But it makes a sence to find pictures and music files
[21:21] <ilya> treat your computer as a thing you "have to" work on, in a heaven, you will not want to even see a PC. There are not anything worth u can't live without except someone real
[21:24] <coreymon77> ...
[21:24] <coreymon77> okay...
[21:25] <laptop> a
[21:26] <ilya> Is it true, that Windows XP pro cost about 300$ and Microsoft Office Suite cost about 150$, AutoCad is about 700$?
[21:26] <laptop> są tu polacy ?
[21:27] <ilya> just curious about "what I do not have to do"
[21:34] <Makuseru> Hi,i seem to be having a problem with Java, i checked, and it IS installed, but whenever i go to a page in firefox i get the white box with the green puzzle piece saying i need to install it. Anyone know how to fix this?
[21:35] <slow-motion> n8
[21:36] <ilya> hat if u only need 2 switch it on somewhere in the 'tools' in the firefox
[21:37] <ilya> and green puzzle can mean something about flash
[21:40] <Makuseru> ilya: you can find out what it wants to install when you click on it, i know it needs java
[21:41] <ilya> ok, but I always thinked that java is some kind of pre-installed, and in the latest version
[21:42] <ilya> i always thought so
[21:42] <maltedik> hi. since 8.04 my 4th mousebutton got reordered. (from emulating button3 to emulating button1). how may i set it back?
[21:43] <leftbas> maltedik: edit xorg.conf
[21:43] <maltedik> leftbas: in which way?
[21:43] <maltedik> it looks almost like the old one
[21:44] <leftbas> hang on...
[21:45] <leftbas> maltedik: darn, i can't find it. there used to be a section describing mouse behavior, including button emulation
[21:45] <leftbas> still looking...
[21:45] <maltedik> wait. maybe, i found, whats doing thestuff
[21:46] <maltedik> Option          "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5" might be it
[21:46] <leftbas> that sounds right
[21:47] <maltedik> now, i'd needed quassel.... brb ;)
[21:52] <maltedik> seems to be the protocol
[21:52] <maltedik> Option          "Protocol"      "ImPS/2"
[21:53] <leftbas> i haven't had to mess with the xorg.conf file much, so i'm a little rusty
[21:56] <yakuzi> i've a problem: i finaly got dual head to work on ati radeon 9600pro, but: i can't play video (system reboots) i can't adjust screensaver (keeps telling loading while it's doing nothing it seems)
[21:57] <yakuzi> glxgears and fglrxinfo doesn't work either, proprietary drivers in use
[21:58] <yakuzi> i got dual head to work with xinerama, so two sections monitor, screen etc
[22:11] <zabbadapp> Eclipse in the repos is 3.2 ... but 3.4 has been released. How come it's not even 3.3?
[22:15] <eagles0513875> FF3 IS OUT
[22:15] <eagles0513875> how come its not in repos yet
[22:16] <coreymon77> it is
[22:16] <eagles0513875> yep
[22:16] <NickPresta> !info firefox
[22:16] <ubott2> firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 63 kB, installed size 120 kB
[22:16] <eagles0513875> NickPresta: the final version is out
[22:16] <eagles0513875> take a look at the mozilla firefox site
[22:17] <NickPresta> eagles0513875, I know the final version is out
[22:17] <eagles0513875> ok lol
[22:17] <eagles0513875> suprised its not in repos yet
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> hey eagles0513875
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> how can I change the k menu button image?
[22:17] <eagles0513875> hey ActionParsnip
[22:18] <coreymon77> i meant it is in the repos
[22:18] <eagles0513875> oh
[22:18] <NickPresta> ActionParsnip, I'm not sure on the 'safe' way to do this but changing kmenu.png will change the image.
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> hmm makes sense
[22:19] <steve555> Hi everyone
[22:20] <jhusep> hi
[22:20] <steve555> Hi jhusep
[22:20] <navetz__> I am running a dual monitor setup using xrandr, how can I check/increase the refresh rate on one of my monitors?
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> navetz__: backup then edit xorg.conf
[22:21] <steve555> navetz,can I ask which graphics card are you using?
[22:22] <navetz__> steve555: intel 810
[22:22] <navetz__> ActionParsnip: I am using xrandr and not editing xorg.conf other then my virtual size.
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> navetz__: you set refresh rate there bro
[22:24] <steve555> I see,you try k-menu,system-settings,then monitor&display,click on administrator mode,enter password,then you might be able to change the refresh rate.
[22:25] <navetz__> steve555: I found out how to do it with xrandr, do you know what a good refresh rate for a 22" lcd?
[22:26] <massi_> hi there
[22:27] <steve555> I have a question for anybody on this channel.I've just installed Intrepid Alpha 1
[22:28] <cliff_> can some one pm me i need step by step instructions for radeon 7500 driver
[22:28] <cliff_> and help finding it
[22:28] <steve555> navetz,Iwould recommend 60Hz,as I believe most lcd's operate at that rate
[22:32] <leroy> holaaa
[22:32] <steve555> Hi Leroy,
[22:33] <massi_> hello
[22:36] <steve555> I have a question for everyone on this channel.I want to know how do I install the English GB keyboard layout for my keyboard.The default setting is English US,but I've tried to change it,but Intrepid Alpha1 only gives me a couple of options,and English GB is not one of them.
[22:42] <titanix88> whats the difference between prerouting & postrouting of iptables?
[22:43] <ubuntu> hi
[22:44] <HighHo> ahoy
[22:44] <ubuntu> my safemode graphics are not working
[22:44] <ubuntu> i need help to get them working again
[22:44] <ubuntu> when i boot up my screen will blink
[22:44] <ubuntu> can anyone help?
[22:45] <gav_> hi all
[22:45] <ubuntu> hi
[22:45] <HighHo> do you see the loading screen, or not even that?
[22:46] <ubuntu> i saw the part where it says Ubuntu and the loading bar then when its almost finished loading it starts to blink
[22:46] <gav_> when I press <Ctrl>+<Alt>+<Backspace> to restart my X-server it makes reboot of my system instead
[22:47] <HighHo> ubuntu: can you enter recovery mode
[22:47] <ubuntu> no i cant
[22:47] <ubuntu> when i try recovery mode it also blinks as well
[22:47] <ubuntu> none of the kernels seem to work
[22:48] <gav_> if I try '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' than system suspend
[22:48] <gav_> any help?
[22:48] <HighHo> ubuntu do you even get the option to enter consol in rescue?
[22:48] <ubuntu> im not sure what you mean
[22:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> will ubuntu become as big as debian?
[22:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> which is more "free" and does ubuntu aim to become as free with gobuntu?
[22:49] <TimS> CostaRicanQuaker: It will be bigger and freer.
[22:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> TimS: you say it as though you knew it to be a fact
[22:50] <HighHo> ubuntu: if you get no options, i will assume no. Have you tryed pressing ctrl + alt + f1 or f2?
[22:50] <TimS> CostaRicanQuaker: Why are you here?
[22:50] <ubuntu> yes
[22:50] <ubuntu> i have
[22:50] <ubuntu> and i get the terminal
[22:50] <ubuntu> so i can login from there
[22:50] <geek> CostaRicanQuaker: well, at the end of the day you're free to chose the distro that you like the best
[22:51] <ubuntu> but after that i dont know what else i can do
[22:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes, the thing is, i am too used to dumb down windows and too partial to ubuntu
[22:51] <steve555> Ok everybody,I've just sorted my problem out.
[22:51] <TimS> ubuntu: So, after you have logged in at the console does "startkde" work?
[22:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> meaning i want to stay with ubuntu but from reading it looks like debian is more "free"
[22:51] <HighHo> ubuntu, login from there and run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[22:51] <ubuntu> ive not tried
[22:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> however it also looks as though ubuntu wants to become freer
[22:52] <ubuntu> if i were try type startkde willthat give me my graphics back?
[22:52] <gav_> so can anyone help me?
[22:52] <witepa> Hi, I just installed 8.04 fresh, but Kubuntu was not able to recognize my wireless dongle. Could someone help me configure it?
[22:52] <geek> CostaRicanQuaker: well what's your main prority? usability or idiological purity?
[22:52] <geek> witepa: what wireless dongle?
[22:52] <TimS> Ubuntu is fairly free as it is, it doesn't supply propritary drivers on the CD.
[22:52]  * geek has used etch, its very light, but not updated regularly. some things don't seem to work tho (like apt-get autoclean)
[22:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> well, as long as i can learn to use a distro to eventually lern everything i can from it and all its programmes are free to use
[22:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm happy
[22:53] <geek> ubuntu is a better learning distro IMO
[22:53] <TimS> But if you want freedom, use gobuntu. It is very similar to ubuntu, just without the propritary side. You should be able to get ubuntu support as normal.
[22:53] <witepa> geek: a Linksys Compact-G USB Adaptor, Model No. WUSB54GC
[22:53] <TimS> I have hear mixed experiences with etch
[22:54] <TimS> witepa: You'll need to use ndiswrapper
[22:54] <TimS> http://jefim.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/how-to-linksys-wusb54gc-wireless-and-ubuntu-linux-704-feisty/
[22:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes, but i am just switching from windows xp and i have no linux previous experience i mean sure i used kubuntu like two years ago but just used it, didn't know anything about it or had any interest
[22:54] <ubuntu> should i try startkde?
[22:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> but gobuntu seems new enough for me not to be good at learning it sa it specified it's probably best for experieneced linux users at this stage
[22:54] <geek> witepa: seems to be something on it on the forums... i'm poking at it
[22:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> i want to try either kubuntu or xubuntu
[22:55] <TimS> ubuntu: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[22:55] <geek> CostaRicanQuaker: stick to one of the official ubuntu versions (kubuntu, ubuntu and xubuntu) then experiment from there...
[22:55] <TimS> CostaRicanQuaker: You use windows at the moment?
[22:55] <HighHo> Costa: you can really question all distro's, and depending who you ask you will get a diffrent responce. Personsoally i think ubuntu/kubuntu are both great distros for learning on and expanding from
[22:56] <TimS> If so, try Wubi, you can use the flavours of ubuntu risk free, when you have learnt enough to get going, switch to gobuntu
[22:56] <ubuntu> what will that do?
[22:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> TimS: yes
[22:56] <geek> witepa: it uses a ralink chipset, they have open source drivers, but you might need to compile it
[22:56] <TimS> ubuntu: That will reconfigure the Graphical User Interface, so it should be useable again
[22:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> HighHo: so i will probably stick to kubuntu, now for my girlfriend's laptop, in a couple of years if i want to help her and she has xubuntu and i have kubuntu
[22:57] <HighHo> ubuntu: it will reconfigure your graphics server to how it was set up initially
[22:57] <witepa> geek: alright, I will probably need some help as how to do that, I have no internet access on the Kubuntu computer, as it has no ethernet port
[22:57] <TimS> geek: I have a ralink card, I couldn't get the compiled driver to work, ndiswrapper was the only way
[22:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> iwll i be able to help her? as in its pretty similar? and is it easier for wifi and an old laptop to use xubuntu in terms of convenience as opposed to kubuntu?
[22:58] <geek> witepa, TimS: personally i have never gotten it working, i usuallly let a bored friend to do it
[22:58] <witepa> TimS: I was told by a friend that he was able to use this dongle "out of the box" though
[22:58] <TimS> witepa: If you use the CD as a repository, you can install ndiswrapper, then download a driver on another computer and move it over and load it in.
[22:58] <TimS> http://jefim.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/how-to-linksys-wusb54gc-wireless-and-ubuntu-linux-704-feisty/
[22:58] <TimS> Thats the easiest way I think
[22:59] <HighHo> CostaRicanQuaker: xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu have much in common, the main diffrence being the desktop enviroments
[22:59] <TimS> Xubuntu is slightly lighter than ubuntu and kubuntu, as it uses the lighter xfce, apart from that, its just user preference/
[23:00] <witepa> TimS: how do I use the CD as a repository?
[23:00] <TimS> If you open adept, then go "File" > "Manage Repositories"
[23:01] <TimS> Switch to the third party software tab, and there should be a CD entry at the top, starting with cdrom:
[23:01] <TimS> If not, click the add cd-rom button below.
[23:02] <TimS> Either way, tick the box next to the entry
[23:02] <TimS> Close that, then just look for the package called ndiswrapper.
[23:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> what advatanges or how is ubuntu better than mandriva?
[23:03] <TimS> You will have to find the driver(.exe) from a cd or from the internet and then move it onto linux, and unpack it. After that, follow the guide.
[23:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> i just called my grilfriend to dissuade this guy from doing anything other than backing up her laptop
[23:03] <TimS> CostaRicanQuaker: The main one for me is support.
[23:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> as i want to install xubuntu on her laptop
[23:03] <witepa> TimS: alright, I'll try that and be back soon
[23:03] <TimS> I have found ubuntu support very reliable.
[23:03] <TimS> witepa: Good luck :p
[23:04] <HighHo> CostaRicanQuaker: I dont think anyone can argue distos, personally i think expertiement if possible and see what suits you.
[23:05] <TimS> CostaRicanQuaker: The best way to try distros out is using live disks, and seeing what you like and what works for you,
[23:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> kubuntu for me and xubuntu for my girl then
[23:05] <witepa> What about exiting the realm of Linux? What about things like OpenSolaris?
[23:06] <TimS> Go to the shops and look for a linux magazine, they often have disks with live cds of distros on, try them out, see what you like.
[23:06] <TimS> witepa: Anything but AIX.
[23:06] <TimS> Good old CDE>
[23:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm not that muchinto unix like
[23:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> but eventually i'd like to learn how to use freebsd
[23:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've heard cool stuff ffrom my friend chance he's scottish he works maintaining and creating webpages
[23:08] <TimS> BSD is quite nice, but its more complicated to get into than linux is, IMO.
[23:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes thats wht he said
[23:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> so since i had already used kubuntu in the past
[23:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> i might as well learn about the linux kernel and a little bit of unix on the side
[23:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> and maybe in five to 7 years
[23:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'll try it out
[23:09] <witepa> 5 to 7 years?
[23:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> well, i want to learn it well you know, i'm a windows user so...
[23:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm no computer genius, i'm a sensitive guy, i play guitar, write poetry, bicycle...not a math person
[23:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i'm old
[23:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm 22
[23:10] <HighHo> oh god, dont run bsd then
[23:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> so that's the aproximate ihave in my mind
[23:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> till i can dare try it
[23:11] <geek> 22 is not old
[23:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> HighHo: no no i want to learn
[23:12] <HighHo> CostaRicanQuaker: im only joking, you should learn what you can, have a safe partion and get your hands dirty trying new distos and building software
[23:15] <witepa> TimS, geek: hmm, according to this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=772077 it should work right out of the box... unfortunately, I don't know KDE 4 as well as I do gnome
[23:15] <witepa> although people seem to be having mixed results
[23:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> i will be back later
[23:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> cheers and thanks for your advice
[23:19] <soopurman> does the kubuntu 8.04 DVD image install kde 3 or kde 4 ?  'cause i know for the CDs there were two seperate .iso's, one for each...
[23:19] <HighHo> cya CostaRicanQuaker.
[23:19] <HighHo> soopurman: kde remix cd's contain kde4
[23:20] <soopurman> so if what i'm downloading doesn't say "remix" then it should have kde3 ?
[23:21] <HighHo> yes soopurman
[23:21] <Dragnslcr> soopurman- the DVD should be KDE3, yes
[23:21] <soopurman> cool, thanks guys
[23:21] <soopurman> here goes!
[23:27] <EagleScreen> hello
[23:28] <EagleScreen> i have user of Debian and Kubuntu since 3 years
[23:28] <EagleScreen> my computer sometimes freeze since some months ago
[23:29] <beagleburt> G'day from New Zealand evry1
[23:31] <HighHo> G'day New Zeland!
[23:31] <beagleburt> Have LTS 6.06 & the <oceana.pool.ntp.org> timeserver doesn't werk...any suggestions?
[23:32] <beagleburt> G'day HiHo
[23:32] <beagleburt> where u from?
[23:32] <EagleScreen> it actually happens in Debian testing and Kubuntu hardy
[23:33] <HighHo> beagleburt: oceana.pool.ntp.org pings ok for me, but have you tryed a diffrent time server?
[23:34] <beagleburt> i am trying to get my Date/time automatically adjusted with the pool.ntp but i can't find it????
[23:39] <helpy> what does everyone use for backing up their kubuntu systems ?
[23:40] <HighHo> beagleburt: Dont use ntp, hopefully someone else can assist
[23:40] <maltedik> EagleScreen: there is more than one possibility why this may happen (if youre searching for answers and not just some empathy)
[23:41] <EagleScreen> just the computer freeze
[23:41] <EagleScreen> and i have to push reset
[23:41] <helpy> i just need to backup my configuration and programs
[23:41] <helpy> no personal data
[23:41] <EagleScreen> i think Linux Kernel freeze too
[23:41] <helpy> i have read ubuntu documentation and i am confused which program works best
[23:42] <helpy> and backs up and restores fairly quickly
[23:42] <EagleScreen> because i cannot reboor with Alt Impr B
[23:42] <maltedik> helpy: im using plain old tar
[23:42] <helpy> how do you do that maltedik  ?
[23:42] <maltedik> (and pipe it through gpg for more security)
[23:42] <maltedik> wait...
[23:44] <EagleScreen> i also remember that it freeze using KDE 3.5, i cannot remember a freeze using Gnome or KDE4
[23:45] <EagleScreen> i can remeber that two freezes were just opening a file with kate, one of them it was /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:45] <Dragnslcr> EagleScreen- a complete freeze is usually a hardware issue
[23:45] <Dragnslcr> EagleScreen- my experience is that it's usually the GPU overheating, sometimes it could be bad memory
[23:47] <EagleScreen> i have not error in memory check
[23:49] <EagleScreen> it never has freeze under Windows XP, and i think it never frozen using Gnome or KDE4, i start to think that KDE 3.5 could have any problem
[23:52] <maltedik> EagleScreen: popped elcos are a common reason for unreasonable freezes
[23:53] <EagleScreen> maltedik, popped elcos???? what is that
[23:53] <solifugus> a recent update to the kernel, broke virtualbox.. and uninstalling/reinstall doesn't fix it..
[23:54] <solifugus> The kernel module won't load..
[23:54] <solifugus> and... the virtualbox package with kubuntu is pretty out of date, too..
[23:55] <maltedik> EagleScreen: damaged electrlyte condensators on your motherboard
[23:56] <EagleScreen> i have the VCORE +12V in 11.84V
[23:56] <sparr> what's the easiest way for me to share files from my kubuntu box to a windows box so that the windows machine can view them in explorer instead of IE?
[23:58] <estan> hello. anyone had "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)" ?
[23:58] <estan> the message right before is "Packar upp ersättande linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic ..."
[23:59] <estan> (it means something along the lines of "Unpacking replacing bla bla"
[23:59] <estan> )