[07:16] <RAOF> So, I'd like to contact a dude on launchpad who hasn't published a contact email.  Is there any way I can get in touch with him?
[07:17] <wgrant> RAOF: No.
[07:18] <wgrant> Well, you could abuse Launchpad and file a bug and subscribe him, but that's not right.
[07:18] <RAOF> That's awkward.  Darn him.
[07:19] <wgrant> s/him/Launchpad for not providing such a feature/
[07:19] <persia> RAOF: You could use the information LP presents to find them.  Typically there's enough information for someone who is active to feed Google and get ICBM coordinates.
[07:22] <wgrant> persia: That sort of person generally exposes their contact address.
[07:23] <persia> wgrant: You'd be surprised.  I used the ICBM-tracking algorithm to contact my roommate for UDS in May.
[07:23] <RAOF> Yeah.  I've found the guy's website, where he's selling some software.  But does'nt have a contact address there, anyway.
[07:24] <persia> RAOF: And the domain name?  How about customer service desk at the ISP?
[07:25] <RAOF> Ah!  There's a support option, which has some email-like thing.
[07:25] <RAOF> That'll do for now.
[07:25] <wgrant> TheMuso: Ow.
[07:25] <wgrant> ECHAN
[07:43] <mdke> who has been working on the Moin <-> launchpad open id login stuff? someone in #ubuntu-doc reported an issue and I'd like to refer it on
[08:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:01] <Hobbsee> hey there mpt!
[08:01] <mpt> hey hey
[08:01] <mdke> morning mpt
[08:01] <wgrant> Oh no!
[08:01] <mpt> ?
[08:02] <wgrant> It's an mpt.
[08:03] <mpt> sorry
[08:04] <\sh> good yawning^Wmorning 
[10:39] <emgent> barry: can you active herd-devel mailinglist?
[11:14] <rzr> hi
[11:15] <rzr> there is a problem with some upstream author https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/95670 , some post must be edited , is it possible ? and how
[11:17] <beuno> rzr, it's probably best to open a question in: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad asking to remove/edit it
[11:18] <wgrant> rzr: They're hidden from anonymous users anyway.
[11:18] <rzr> wgrant: yes we told him, but he doesnt care
[11:19] <wgrant> rzr: Well, he probably has larger problems. But there appear to be no LP people around at the moment, so beuno's solution is correct.
[11:19] <persia> The person/group whose email address was exposed is unhappy.  Opening a question is the best solution.  That said, the email is available to any bug subscribers, or the general bugmail archives, so I'm unsure how it helps remove it from the page.
[11:20] <wgrant> Oh yes, what a 'mess' it is.
[11:20] <wgrant> Terrible to have one's email address exposed on the Internet.
[11:20] <beuno> is it possible not to, and work on open source at the same time?  :)
[11:20] <rzr> well i have an idea
[11:21] <wgrant> beuno: Some people have this strange idea.
[11:21] <rzr> any email registered in LP, can set its level of disclosure
[11:21] <wgrant> How is one to be contacted if one does not expose one's email address?
[11:21] <rzr> by default, hidden
[11:21] <wgrant> rzr: That is how it is now.
[11:22] <rzr> wgrant: then all unknown emails but be hidden, and use a form to email them ?
[11:22] <rzr> s/but/must/
[11:22] <wgrant> That's going to annoy people more than anything.
[11:23] <wgrant> I don't want to use some awful web form to contact people.
[11:23] <wgrant> Email exists for a reason.
[11:23] <persia> Also, "hidden" email addresses are exposed as soon as one commits any reportable action on LP.
[11:23]  * rzr think that revealing unverified email is a privacy attempt 
[11:23] <wgrant> persia: There are bugs on this.
[11:23] <wgrant> rzr: Where are such addresses revealed?
[11:24] <rzr> in that jabbin bug ... actually I dont care for myself but I understand the victim :)
[11:25] <wgrant> How could it be verified?
[11:25] <rzr> sending an invitation to register to LP
[11:25] <rzr> this sound like virtal marketting too
[11:27] <wgrant> The address is associated with his account...
[11:27] <rzr> I dont think he has an account
[11:27] <rzr> someone just pasted his email
[11:27] <rzr> if he register , would he has the option to hide his address occurence in all LP contents ?
[11:28] <wgrant> Er, he definitely has registered.
[11:28] <wgrant> Because it was a reply to a comment.
[11:30] <rzr> you're right
[11:37] <rzr> well thx guys I hope the guy will follow the suggestion I posted about adding a question in LP
[13:01] <huats> mrevell: hey are you around ?
[13:01] <mrevell> hi huats
[13:01] <huats> hey mrevell how are you ?
[13:03] <mrevell> huats: I'm great thanks, how are you?
[13:03] <huats> great too
[13:03] <huats> mrevell: I have a question on LP
[13:04] <mrevell> huats: How can I help?
[13:04] <huats> i am part of the mentor reception team
[13:04] <huats> and we'd like to know if it is possible to have a mailing list, for our exchange
[13:07] <mrevell> huats: If you have a team in Launchpad, you can certainly request a mailing list for that team. Take a look at https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[13:07] <huats> mrevell: great
[14:41] <dneary> Hi
[14:41] <dneary> Anyone know what software brainstorm.ubuntu.com is running?
[14:43] <jpds> dneary: Druapl with custom plugins
[14:44] <jpds> dneary: Try asking in #ubuntu-testing. The admins hangg out there.
[14:44] <dneary> jpds: Thanks! Are they free software?
[18:02] <Gioacchino> hy all!
[18:02] <Gioacchino> I am new  regestered on launchpad
[19:33] <steveire> Hi. Does launchpad offer a patch review feature?
[19:33] <steveire> Something for annotating patches before they get committed
[19:34] <beuno> steveire, you could use code browse if the full branch is pushed
[19:34] <beuno> it's not ideal, but it may do what you need
[19:35] <steveire> beuno: I'm thinking more of something like review-board.org.
[19:36] <beuno> steveire, ah, well, not yet. But code review is actively worked on, so that feature will probably land sooner or later
[19:36] <steveire> beuno: OK cheers. Do you know of any blogs about that, or anything I can see?
[19:38] <beuno> steveire, well, planet ubuntu and Launchpad news is probably the best places to look. And, well, IRC for inside scoops  :)
[19:38] <steveire> What about commit review? Does launchpad offer filtering by project/developer/version etc 
[19:38] <kiko> steveire, pre-commit or post-commit?
[19:39] <steveire> kiko: I'm interested in both
[19:40] <kiko> steveire, it's yes to both, though the mechanisms and depth are different
[19:40] <steveire> kiko: Can you point me at some urls so that I can see it or a document?
[19:41] <kiko> steveire, I'm in the middle of a meeting, but perhaps Rinchen or abentley can help you
[19:42] <steveire> My interest by the way, is investigating whether certain aspects of software engineering in kde can be done through launchpad. I'm currently compiling a list of all the different tools we currently use, and alternatives that are available.
[19:42] <steveire> kiko: OK
[19:42] <beuno> steveire, that may be well worth discussing on a mailing list, where you can get a broader audience to answer your questions
[19:42] <abentley> steveire: Our code review feature presumes you use Bazaar.
[19:43] <steveire> Yes, I do intend to discuss it on a mailing list, but I want to have a start on what is available out there.
[19:43] <beuno> then abentley is your man  :)
[19:43] <steveire> abentley: Hi.
[19:43] <abentley> steveire: Hi.
[19:44] <steveire> abentley: Can you show me a link or anything to code review in launchpad?
[19:46] <abentley> steveire: It's a new feature, and I'm not sure who's using it at the moment.
[19:46] <steveire> abentley: OK, cheers
[19:47] <beuno> well, I am  :)
[19:47] <beuno> steveire, what it currently lacks is being able to look at the specific code to be reviewed
[19:47] <abentley> steveire: Here's an example someone did: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/pqm/test-bzr-home/+merge/296
[19:47] <beuno> but you can do that with a few workarounds, and I think abentley is actively working to make that easier
[19:48] <beuno> I wonder if there's any documentation on this yet...
[19:51] <steveire> beuno: Is that what you're using too?
[19:52] <steveire> So that shows branches to be merged, but no diff?
[19:53] <beuno> steveire, right
[19:53] <beuno> although you can cheat
[19:53] <beuno> and see the revisions missing
[19:53] <beuno> and use 
[19:54] <beuno> "code browse" to give you the diff
[19:54] <beuno> and you can see the actual code change
[19:54] <beuno> when we're happy with our work, we upload the branch based off trunk, and apply for a merge request
[19:54] <beuno> other members review it until they're happy with it
[19:55] <beuno> and approve the merge
[19:55] <beuno> the workflow is missing a few pieces, but I think they'll be in place soon enough
[20:45] <armine42> hi
[20:46] <armine42> mmh.. I just start with launchpad and bazaar
[20:46] <armine42> I have a little problem
[20:46] <armine42> I can send my modified source code and when I browse source using firefox it works
[20:46] <armine42> but on the main branch page
[20:47] <armine42> It doesn't says that I sent new revision
[20:47] <armine42> altough I use commit -m "revision changes..."
[20:50] <beuno> armine42, is this a new project?
[20:50] <beuno> did you start the branch?
[20:50] <armine42> yes
[20:50] <armine42> I started the branch and the only revision notification that appears under "recent revisions"
[20:50] <armine42> is my first commit notification, done before creating the branch
[20:50] <beuno> so, did you do "bzr push" after you committed?
[20:50] <armine42> Yes I did
[20:51] <armine42> The source code is has been updats
[20:51] <armine42> updated
[20:51] <beuno> armine42, well, sometimes it takes a bit for LP to scan the new commits
[20:51] <armine42> But under "recent revisions" there isn't any notifications that shows my commit
[20:51] <beuno> what's the URL?
[20:51] <armine42> https://code.launchpad.net/~armine42/labyrinth2000/main
[20:52] <armine42> ok
[20:52] <armine42> It works
[20:52] <armine42> it took 30 minutes
[20:52] <armine42> thank you :)
[20:52] <beuno> armine42, :)
[20:52] <armine42> (I wait 30 minutes and just when I come to ask question it appears :) )
[20:53] <beuno> armine42, it *always* happens that way
[20:53] <armine42> :-)
[20:53] <beuno> computers have fun with people all the time!
[20:53] <armine42> I guess
[20:54] <armine42> Oh and another question (now I'm on the chat I can ask :p )
[20:54] <armine42> If I use my private key on other computer, launchpad won't tell me it is impossible?
[20:55] <armine42> I mean maybe there is a security or what...
[20:55] <armine42> because I use one computer at home and the other at work, so I guess I have to use same key on both
[20:55] <beuno> you can use your private key from wherever you want, but I'd recommend having a different one per computer
[20:55] <beuno> you can upload multiple  :)
[20:55] <armine42> O.K
[20:55] <armine42> Thank you :)
[20:55] <beuno> your welcome
[20:56] <armine42> I think I'll do that :)
[20:56] <armine42> Thank you beuno ! and good evening ! (or whatever it is where you are :) )
[20:57] <beuno> armine42, evening works, thanks, you too
[20:57] <armine42> :) bye
[21:31] <qball> hmm can somebody tell me how the translation part of launchpad works?
[22:13] <vadi2> where may I find a listing of all available ppas? I can't seem to find the link again
[22:20] <steveire> Does rosetta process gettext files internally?
[22:25] <qball> hmm if I have a locally update .pot file, and I upload it to launchpad again, do changes on survive?
[22:37] <qball> ?
[22:37] <mpt> qball and steveire, unfortunately the Translations people are (I think) asleep
[22:38] <mpt> they're danilo_ and jtv
[22:38] <mpt> They should be back 12 hours from now, probably earlier
[22:38] <qball> aah.. thanks
[22:38] <qball> 10 hours.. hmm then I am working
[22:38] <steveire> mpt: Cheers.
[22:38] <qball> eueh 12
[22:39] <qball> well I was looking for a howto, but I kinda hit nothing..  
[22:39] <mpt> vadi2, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas -- and it will become much easier to find in a few hours :-)
[22:39] <vadi2> ﻿mpt: those are *all* ppas right, not just ubuntu ones?
[22:40] <mpt> qball, ah, perhaps <https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/SoftwareTranslation> is useful?
[22:40] <mpt> qball, we have someone busy writing guides to each of the Launchpad apps, they should be ready in a few weeks
[22:40] <steveire> beuno, abentley: I've put my first iteration of KDEs software engineering tools and processes up: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Software_Engineering_Framework. Personally I think consolidation of all the different sites/tools used is a good idea, so I'll put some proposal to the kde people about migrating some of it to launchpad
[22:40] <qball> cool. I'll look
[22:40] <mpt> vadi2, I think Launchpad does PPAs only for Ubuntu so far
[22:41] <vadi2> right, for ubuntu
[22:41] <vadi2> ok cool thanks :)
[22:41] <vadi2> bookmarking the link meanwhile
[22:41] <mpt> steveire, about code review, come back tomorrow ;-)
[22:43] <steveire> I think bug tracking wishlists and translation in particular would be useful for kde on launchpad. Is it possible to use only a subset of features and still have a project hosted on launchpad? I think kde will lean more towards git than bzr, so there would be no interest in that
[23:10] <steveire> Anyone? Is the above possible? Does launchpad allow for a project to only use the launchpad bug tracker, not the rest of the features?
[23:11] <LarstiQ> steveire: yes
[23:11] <steveire> LarstiQ: OK, thanks.