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lymecaWill Kubuntu Intrepid ship with KDE 4.1.x?02:19
rskwe will see02:25
lymecaWhat's in it now?02:36
lymeca3.5.9?02:36
guy_do kubuntu 8.10 questions fit here? or is there another channel for that?02:42
JontheEchidnalymeca: 4.0.83 (4.1 beta2)02:44
JontheEchidnaguy_: I believe this is suitable for both02:44
lymecaJontheEchidna: So if KDE 4.1 beta is already in there, then wouldn't the default KDE version for Kubuntu 8.10 pesumably be the latest in the 4.1.x series instead of 3.5.x?02:45
JontheEchidnalymeca: Yes02:46
lymecaOkay thank you02:46
guy_Ok.  I guess the main problems I have are that X doesn't work on a "normal" boot - I have to select the recovery option and have it try to reconfigure the xserver.  After that it boots, but I dont have sound.02:47
guy_This is a laptop with intel 915 video, and I also can't seem to find the drivers like I could with Hardy and previous.02:48
guy_Is there a way to find them?02:48
RAOFguy_: How did you find drivers with Hardy.  Alternatively, what drivers are you talking about?02:54
guy_I think the i915 driver came up with adept/synaptic.  There isn't any "i915" driver that I can find with Intrepid.02:58
guy_However, my screen resolution is 1280x800 - which is what is should be....02:58
guy_It's like X is working like it should upon a recovery boot, but fails with a normal boot.02:59
guy_the xorg.conf file is very sparse - so I don't know where the settings are being kept.03:00
coir-intrepidAnyone using VMWare to install Intrepid? I had to go into failsafe terminal and do an upgrade to get Intrepid to boot.03:00
coir-intrepidProperly, anyway03:00
coir-intrepidGNOME wouldn't start-up. Not sure if that is report-worthy or anything.03:01
RAOFguy_: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log -03:01
RAOFguy_: That'll tell you what driver is being used (and, failing problems at your end, it'll be the intel driver).03:01
RAOFThey're installed by default, of course, and X now autodetects the correct driver, so we don't specify it in xorg.conf.03:02
guy_the xorg.log looks like it found all of the intel chipset - 945GM chipset, using i915_dri.so and screen set to 1280x800.  Anything else that could cause X to lock up?03:12
guy_By lock up, I mean that when I do a normal boot [using the non-recovery entry for the 2.6.26 kernel in grub], the boot goes normal up until it tries X, and then everything stops.  I can't even get terminals with F1, etc.  It just hangs everything.03:14
RAOFThat seems odd, and I'm not entirely sure how you'd go about debugging it.03:21
derekSis webboard broken for everyone? Its the applet that posts to pastebin.... seems that it doesn't work for any pastebins (i think it sends the wrong posts)03:22
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bazhangderekS, you mean pastebinit?04:19
bazhang!info pastebinit04:25
ubottupastebinit (source: pastebinit): command-line pastebin client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10-1 (intrepid), package size 9 kB, installed size 88 kB04:25
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DanaGargh, I curse PulseAudio and GStreamer... or rather, the way they don't play well together.06:35
RAOFReally?06:35
DanaGPausing gstreamer apps makes the Pulse server eat CPU... and if I don't disable the cpulimiter in PulseAudio, then it KILLS the pulseaudio server.06:35
DanaGTry playing an MP3 file, or something, with totem.  When it finishes, it sometimes goes into that state (even though that's not even "paused"!06:36
DanaGs/!/)!/06:36
DanaGSame with quodlibet.06:36
DanaGI have to actually QUIT the media player app, because I can't use pause.06:36
RAOFNot for me.06:37
DanaGOdd.06:37
RAOFAt least with either banshee or rhthmbox.06:37
DanaGTry other apps, then.  Totem and Quodlibet, for example.06:37
RAOFNope, not totem.06:38
RAOFAlthough the music does go a bit wierd for a second after resuming playback.06:39
RAOF(ie: it changes pitch)06:39
DanaGOdd.06:39
DanaGI wonder why it doesn't eat CPU for you.06:39
RAOFBecause I am the Gnome masta!06:40
RAOFGnome loves me, KDE breaks as soon as I look at it.06:40
DanaGHmm, I was thinking it might be an issue with the codec... but nope, both mp3 and ogg do it.06:41
HobbseeRAOF: i keep getting the opposite :(06:41
Hobbseeit's depressiong06:41
Hobbsee-o06:41
RAOFHobbsee: Have you tried KDE4 with two screens?06:41
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Hobbseealthough, i don't think the installer died this time when installing ubuntu, so...06:41
HobbseeRAOF: nope - i try not to use my old laptop.06:42
RAOFIt's so broken I don't know where to start reporting bugs.06:42
DanaG default-sample-channels = 606:42
DanaGThat's one difference I have set.06:42
RAOFMayhap.06:42
DanaGOh yeah, I swapped the login and logout sounds, so I get only the "short" sound on hotplug, not the long sound (that interrupts music).06:43
RAOFI use two screens by default, and KDE4 really doesn't handle that at all.  Pretty much everything from the desktop plasmoid to the panel to the display capplet doesn't like dual-head :).06:43
DanaGOn a positive note... ALSA capture on my onboard audio chip somehow unbroke with the new kernel.06:44
RAOFWooo!06:44
DanaGAnd I have a stereo mic jack... woot.06:45
DanaGSo I can switch between line-in and headset-mic without changing any switches or anything.06:45
DanaGIf Valve would make native Linux versions of their games (with surround sound support!), I could just about ditch Windows, actually.06:46
DanaGIn fact, I've taken to watching my stuff under Linux, even if it doesn't have hardware H.264 acceleration.06:47
DanaGMy CPU is fast enough to do it (at least for 720P), and no Windows apps I have will use acceleration anyway.06:47
DanaGAnd in Windows apps, I have to manually specify whether to downmix to stereo or leave as surround.06:48
* RAOF gets better quality video scaling under linux (than he would under Windows).06:48
DanaGWhen in Linux, PulseAudio does it automatically.06:48
DanaGOne bummer: Audigy2 can't do 24-bit 96-khz audio in Linux.06:49
DanaGAt least, not on the surround51 device.06:50
RAOFOn the off chance you're a bat, and can tell the difference between 44.1 and 96KHz :P06:50
RAOFI'm not so sure about 16bit vs 24bit, though.06:52
DanaGMy onboard audio chip can actually do 24-192, even on capture.06:53
DanaGAudigy2 can only do 96KHz on capture.06:53
RAOFOn the other hand, the onboard chip is likely to be poorly shielded.06:54
HobbseeRAOF: i just don't like the themes of kde4 :(06:55
Hobbseeit looks very much unlike gnome now, too06:55
RAOFHobbsee: I find it a pitty that KDE4 is so broken; while fiddling around there are definitely some nice touches, and I quite like the visual style.06:56
RAOFHm.  I should probably contact the screensaver-settings author.  It might be nice to have it in Intrepid, but it'll require a new release.07:00
RAOFIt'd be nice to have a way to edit screensaver themes.07:04
emmaI think I will install intrepid pretty soon.07:05
emmaI might as well since I am in this channel and I will be here forever. *smiles*07:05
HobbseeRAOF: before ffe?  yeah, that might be an idea.07:06
emma:)07:06
Hobbseeemma: i hope you know what you're doing, then - seeing as base-level support usually isn't provided...07:06
RAOFYeah.  I'm doing some code gardening on it now.  At some point I'll need to get a global understanding, but there's plenty to do with only local changes ;).07:06
* Hobbsee should stop being lazy and write some emails.07:07
RAOFIntriguing.  How does one get in contact with someone with no public email address?07:08
jbroomestaple your thesis to their door07:09
Hobbseeirc?07:09
DanaGOh yeah, I wish somebody would fix the rss-glx presets.07:11
RAOFDanaG: The power is _yours_! </planet>07:11
RAOFSeriously.  Grab the source, patch the .desktops, submit the debdiff.07:12
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rss-glx/+bug/12914207:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 129142 in rss-glx "Really Slick Screensavers use 100% CPU" [Undecided,New]07:12
DanaGOh yeah, and the "Jiggly" preset in solarwinds... should be disabled.07:13
RAOFDanaG: These are all really simple tasks an interested layman could perform ;)07:14
DanaGIt's actually physiologically dangerous, I'd say -- it somehow manages to accomplish the rare achievement of being both siezure-inducing AND nauseating at the same time.07:14
DanaGGive it a try some time =รพ07:15
DanaGAs long as you're not epileptic, that is.07:15
DanaGBonus points for running it at unbounded frame rate.07:15
* Hobbsee kicks her proxy07:15
Hobbseenow, whatever that did...it wasn't nice.07:24
Hobbseeanyone getting interesting problems with gnome-panel?07:24
Hobbseeit only partially generating, or not coming back for 1+ mins after you kill it?07:24
hyperairi've just upgraded from hardy to intrepid, and now i can't start x, or modprobe nvidia08:11
hyperairwhat happened to /sbin/lrm-video?08:11
hyperairit seems to have disappeared completely08:11
RAOFYup.08:16
RAOFThere isn't any nvidia driver at the moment.  Welcome to Alpha 1.08:16
RAOFThe way the nvidia (and fglrx) driver(s) are packaged is going to change, IIUC.08:17
hyperairi see08:17
hyperairso until then i can't use intrepid eh08:18
hyperairor stick to the nv driver08:18
RAOFOr nouveau :)08:18
hyperairwhat?08:18
hyperairnouveau eh08:18
RAOFIndeed, nouveau.08:19
pheerorpff, nvidia  ...08:19
DanaGMy next laptop is going to be ATI.08:20
DanaGI'm sick and tired of my nvidia, for sure.08:21
RAOF!nouveau | hyperair, if you're interested:08:22
ubottuhyperair, if you're interested:: Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive08:22
hyperairit's in intrepid?08:25
hyperairimo lrm-video should be kept around until they're ready to push out the change08:25
TheInfinityinteresting project after nvidia said that they will never open specs ...08:27
RAOFTheInfinity: It's been going on for some time.  Which particular "we won't release specs" are you thinking of? :)08:34
TheInfinitydont know the interview, was an interview where nvidia said that they will code their own css drivers in future, not supporting any oss driver08:36
pheerortheir bad08:39
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dv_i tried to upgrade, but it failed. something about libghc6-cairo-dev failing to install11:32
dv_it installed all the packages, then dumped me back on the desktop. i rebooted and it mostly works, except there don't seem to be any nvidia drivers (?) so for the moment i'm stuck at 800x60011:33
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MaximLevitskyAre bugreports for Interpid ok for now?13:01
MaximLevitskyI noticed that latest initramfs-update update broke usplash13:02
MaximLevitskyIt seens that something sets console to text mode (I use framebuffer)13:03
MaximLevitskyReverted back, and it work again13:03
napsy_how to tell diff to recirsively check dir1 and dir2 but only .c and .h files?13:06
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wersis this officially the new official human theme? http://arstechnica.com/news.media/ub3.png14:14
pheerorofficial? no idea, it's the theme in intrepid14:14
pheerorhope, it will be changed :-)14:14
lamalexthank god14:14
pheerorat first, i thought the theme mechanism went off, sorry ...14:15
lamalexWhy are they designing dark themes? This is 2008, Light and clean is what is in right now14:15
Picihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid has more info14:15
Picilamalex: Perhaps, but dark themes have worked poorly in gnome before, especially when using Fierfox.14:15
lamalexPici: even more reason /not/ to use one14:16
pheerorfurther more, it looks ugly with web pages - because most of them are in light colors14:17
pheerorit can be a nice theme though, but making it default one is risky imo14:18
hyperairi wish they'd get lrm up and working14:19
hyperairi thought i could switch back to ubuntu from archlinux, then everything began malfunctioning because hardy is a few versions back from archlinux in terms of quite a number of software14:20
hyperairand then14:20
hyperairi upgrade to intrepid14:20
hyperairand i see a wonderful black screen14:20
hyperairwoo hoo14:20
pheerorstay with arch then14:21
pheerorubuntu isn't bleeding edge distro14:21
hyperairwell usually ubuntu+1 is14:22
Hobbseewith a bit too much blood atm, apparently14:22
wershmm. how do l install the theme on hardy? (for testing purposes :D)14:23
pheerorsee the link above14:23
pheerorand checkout https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive14:24
hyperairHobbsee: yeah very true14:24
lamalexIs there a bleeding edge Ubuntu derivative?14:25
lamalexI know there isn't an official one14:26
lamalexbut is there a sid of the ubuntu world?14:26
rsklamalex, come to #ubuntu+114:26
hyperairthat would be nice14:26
rskops.14:26
hyperairaren't we already in #ubuntu+1?14:26
lamalexhaha yes14:26
rskno there isn't14:26
rskonly alpha>beta>rc>final14:26
Hobbseelamalex: i don't think so.14:26
hyperairmeh. imo sid is more stable than ubuntu+114:26
rskand new cycle every 6 months14:26
rskhyperair: then use sid14:27
hyperairlazy to install it14:27
BUGabundo_workhi there14:42
BUGabundo_workanybody knows how I can get my nVidia card to work with 2.6.26.2 ??14:43
rskuse the nv driver14:44
LaneyDoes the alpha fail to boot for anyone else in qemu/kvm?14:44
BUGabundo_workrsk: why won't the proprietary work?14:44
Laney(installer)14:44
BUGabundo_workit tried to build the modules....14:45
rskit dosen't suppory 2.6.26 yet afaik14:45
rsksupport14:45
BUGabundo_workthey say they do14:45
pheerorbecause linux kernel doesn't have stable abi? just a guess14:45
rskwell something else then14:45
pheerorwhere did you get 2.6.26.2 btw?14:45
rskim guessing ibex14:46
BUGabundo_work"Added preliminary support for Linux 2.6.26."14:46
pheerorhmm ... 2.6.26-rc814:46
BUGabundo_workpheeror: using 8.10 here14:46
pheerordon't mind me14:46
BUGabundo_workso, I can't use the card ?14:47
BUGabundo_workjust with the open source driver?14:47
pheerorI just want my 2.6.26 to boot, so i hoped there is a newer version14:47
pheeroryes14:47
BUGabundo_workshouldn't the 2.6.24.18 kernel work ?14:47
BUGabundo_workeven sound won't work on 2.6.2614:48
BUGabundo_workno restrited module build yet14:48
pheerorI also have to use the 2.6.24 kernel in intrepid14:48
pheerorbut no idea if there are nvidia drivers for 2.6.24 in intrepid14:49
pheerorat least, you can use their crappy installer14:49
PiciWasnt someone saying something about LRM not being in or not working for intrepid currently?14:49
BUGabundo_workI did, pheeror14:49
pheerorwith 2.6.24 kernel14:49
BUGabundo_workit build everything from scrach for the kernel14:49
BUGabundo_workahh . I meant for .2614:50
BUGabundo_workbut after the boot X didn't like it, and left me with 800x60014:50
pheerordid it work (for .26)?14:50
BUGabundo_workselecting NV got me 1280x800 back14:50
pheeror;-)14:50
BUGabundo_workI can't be sure, since X won't run any higher then 800px14:50
BUGabundo_workcan't use it like that14:51
pheerori'm glad I have intel gpu14:51
BUGabundo_workeven displayconfig-gtk has some trouble allowing me to select the driver14:51
BUGabundo_worklike it won't find it14:51
BUGabundo_workI HAD and intel, and upgraded to nVidia14:51
BUGabundo_workIntel GPU suck, but at least it would stand anytjhing I did with X1114:52
BUGabundo_worklousy 2 monitor, no TV out14:52
BUGabundo_workbah14:52
BUGabundo_workhumm is 8.10 alpha1 bootble via HTTP (inetboot) ?14:52
BUGabundo_workits an alternate CD so I'm not sure14:53
pheerorcompiz working out of the box (even in livecd) and good 2d perforemence, lot of us don't need anything more from a gpu14:55
pheerorthat's why i'm really happy with intel open-source attitude14:55
pheerorwhatever14:56
hyperairexcept that compiz doesn't work out of the box because of nvidia15:10
derekShyperair: compiz doesn't work because of nvidia? really?15:10
hyperaireh yes15:11
hyperairbecause nvidia isn't open?15:11
hyperairso it can't be included in the livecd?15:11
derekSoh, just on the live cd15:12
derekS:)15:12
hyperairwell it's not enabled out of the box either15:14
hyperairbecause it'll piss off some open source zealots15:14
bazhangnot the actual reason15:14
hyperairoh isit?15:15
hyperairthen what's the actual reason15:15
bazhangthe same reason codecs are not included.15:15
pheerorgpl license ?15:15
bazhangsoftware patents in some regions (ie lawsuits)15:16
hyperairah right15:16
hyperairannoying patents15:16
bazhangbut the zealotry is a good reason too :)15:16
joaopintohum. isn't the nvidia binary driver freely redistributable ?15:18
bazhangis it gpl'd?15:18
derekSdoes compiz work with any vid cards out of the box?15:18
bazhangderekS, the basic stuff yes15:19
derekSbazhang: what do you mean?15:19
bazhangwobbly windows15:19
derekSoh gotcha15:19
joaopintoit is not GPL, but there is no strict requirement to be, in order to be distributed with other GPL soft15:20
joaopintobazhang, the nvidia driver is freely distribution, your comparison with the codecs which are illegal in some countires is not valid, for the nvidia case it is an open source policy decision15:25
* bazhang heads to #ubuntu-offtopic15:26
ASULutzySo I'm sure this question gets asked 100 times a day in here, anyone have a link for the Intrepid alpha image?15:58
pheeroryeah, but it's kinda secret15:58
pheerorhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-1/15:59
pheerorsorry ;-)15:59
ASULutzy;) thanks15:59
BUGabundo_workpheeror: you forgot to tell him, that there is only for alternate cd lol16:14
BUGabundo_workand he can always use the daily16:14
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verb3kMy alpha installation boots up correctly, but the screen is missed up. It's like 8 screens intersecting in each other, what could be the problem?17:29
Ergo^hllo19:37
Ergo^how usable is interpid atm ?19:39
pheerordepends19:39
pheerormostly problems with nvidia blob19:39
Ergo^well i dont want to compare it to debian lenny, but i was thinking how it would perform on desktop19:40
pheerorworks perfectly on my laptop19:41
pheerorok, 2.6.26 kernel doesn't boot ;-)19:41
Ergo^can you specify what problems with nvidia there  are ? i actually have one of those ;P19:41
Ergo^LOL19:41
Ergo^:D19:41
* Ergo^ wishies ubuntu unstables would be as stable as debian oned19:42
Ergo^s/oned/ones19:42
pheerori don't know much about the nvidia problem19:42
Ergo^hmm, cant find anything about new kernel not booting....19:44
pheerorit's my personal problem19:44
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jonpackardHello. Is anybody else getting kernel panics booting Intrepid as a guest in virtualbox-ose? It will boot but sometimes takes a few tries.20:43
jonpackardI get: Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt... BUG: unable to handle kernel20:45
jonpackardHas anybody been able to install virtualbox guest additions successfully? I can't get the kernel module to compile.20:50
jonpackardDoes anybody have an opinion on the new human theme in Intrepid? I like the way that it looks but I have trouble reading it.. I'm colorblind though so don't mind me. =)20:57
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RAdamshowdy. Would adding the intrepid repos give me access to the .25 kernel?23:07
RAOFNo.23:08
RAOFYou'd get a .26 kernel, but likely break all sorts of stuff.23:09
RAdamsRAOF: So installing the .26 kernel would likely break a lot of things even if I didn't boot into it from GRUB?23:10
RAOFNo, but adding the Intrepid repos likely would.23:10
RAdamsRAOF: Well... here's the main thing... I use the b43 proprietary driver for my wlan... I believe there's a fix to the module in the .25 and higher kernels... I compared the code side by side and it seems the bug which is causing me panics is resolved in these higher kernels. I was thinking of adding the intrepid repos to get the ubuntu-rolled kernel. What do you recommend?23:13
RAOFRAdams: Adding anything from intrepid to fix a bug is like pouring petrol on a fire to put it out :)23:14
RAdamshaha, point well taken23:15
RAOFThat said... if you were to download the linux-image-2.6.26-2-generic and l-r-m packages from packages.ubuntu.com, you could try it.23:15
RAdamsI was running gutsy from close to this stage in development, mainly because I had the time.. it was an adventure.23:15
RAdamsoh, I'll try that23:15
RAOFBut if you're looking to provide enough information to fix the bug, you probably want to build the kernel from git.23:16
RAOFThat way you can also test candidate patches, etc.23:16
RAOFThere's a page on wiki.ubuntu.com describing this; I think it's KernelGitGuide23:17
RAdamsok, I'll check that out :)23:17
DanaGOdd... rt2500pci has the device ID for my wireless card... but rt2x00 does not!23:41
DanaGANybody know how to manually bind a driver to a device?23:42
DanaGOh, I see... rt2x00pci is not the actual driver's name!23:58
RAOFHeh.23:58

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