| xivulon | evand, could you please make sure you have wubi/hardy.cdiso rev 505 selfextract in the new ISOs? | 09:55 |
|---|---|---|
| xivulon | I have tested it and looks good here | 09:55 |
| xivulon | could you also please test #136682? | 09:56 |
| CIA-48 | oem-config: cjwatson * r474 oem-config/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.40 | 12:52 |
| CIA-48 | oem-config: cjwatson * r475 oem-config/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Switch to glade-3. | 12:57 |
| evand | xivulon: will do | 13:57 |
| xivulon | evand thanks | 14:17 |
| tjaalton | cjwatson: btw, you asked about the input/hal/xorg stuff on ubuntu-x@ a couple of weeks ago. You mentioned that "expert help" is available if needed, so who should I contact to get it going?-) | 15:01 |
| === bdmurray_ is now known as bdmurray | ||
| === evand_ is now known as evand | ||
| xivulon | evand, I can see in http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/wubi/ that wubi-selfextract is as of the 24 of june, cannot download now, is wubi-selfextract 505 going in the ISO? | 22:06 |
| evand | xivulon: 505 is there. I've already told slangasek about it. | 22:07 |
| xivulon | cool thanks | 22:08 |
| xivulon | that is selfextract correct? | 22:08 |
| evand | correct | 22:10 |
| xivulon | 2xcool | 22:11 |
| mario_limonciell | evand, i forget, what was the limitation in switching the time zone selector to strictly time zones rather than the current "city" implementation? | 22:18 |
| cjwatson | mario_limonciell: the city is needed to infer the country in order to build a complete locale | 22:23 |
| cjwatson | it's the most economical way to get both country and timezone | 22:24 |
| mario_limonciell | ah because locale can't be necessarily inferred from keyboard selection | 22:24 |
| mario_limonciell | right? | 22:24 |
| cjwatson | absolutely not | 22:24 |
| cjwatson | we tried doing that (the other way round, admittedly, but I think the effects are pretty similar) for warty and lots of people were using keyboards that didn't match their country very well | 22:25 |
| cjwatson | plus there isn't a complete correspondence anyway | 22:25 |
| mario_limonciell | would it be sensible to maybe just ask the preferred locale as another question then to make that time zone page easier for people to understand? | 22:25 |
| cjwatson | the only thing you can do to connect locales and keyboard mappings is to use one as a reasonable default for the other; anything more is doomed | 22:26 |
| cjwatson | I don't really want to ask another question that for most people could be inferred from that one | 22:26 |
| cjwatson | I'd rather we continued to try to improve the city selector UI | 22:26 |
| mario_limonciell | understood. they are all fairly intertwined | 22:26 |
| cjwatson | country<->timezone have a much tighter correspondence, even though it isn't perfect for quite everyone | 22:27 |
| mario_limonciell | perhaps a better suggestion then: | 22:27 |
| xivulon | I still like zoom map widget but with partial zoom window | 22:27 |
| xivulon | like magnifying lens | 22:27 |
| mario_limonciell | asking the timezone first, and then fine tuning that with cities in that time zone | 22:27 |
| mario_limonciell | and picking the one closest to you | 22:28 |
| cjwatson | a large number of people have no idea what timezone they're in | 22:28 |
| cjwatson | IME | 22:28 |
| cjwatson | they know where they are | 22:28 |
| xivulon | I agree, picking the city is easier than the timezone | 22:28 |
| mario_limonciell | really? I guess having a very US centric view, that's surprising | 22:28 |
| cjwatson | my experience is that the US is unusual here: everyone talks about being on Eastern or Central or whatever | 22:29 |
| mario_limonciell | yeah | 22:29 |
| xivulon | we had this idea of highlighting the timezone on hoover/city selection, is that going to happen? | 22:29 |
| cjwatson | that's rare from what I've heard elsewhere | 22:29 |
| mario_limonciell | at least in portions of the US (for example where I live), choosing the closest city picks the wrong time zone | 22:29 |
| cjwatson | do you not know that that city over there keeps different time? | 22:29 |
| cjwatson | that strikes me as the sort of thing you'd know about nearby cities | 22:29 |
| cjwatson | being able to highlight the timezone is looking increasingly plausible; Ted Gould found a data source we can use | 22:30 |
| mario_limonciell | well that's the thing, i'm new to TX, so i didn't realize parts of it would be on different timezones | 22:30 |
| cjwatson | how would asking for the timezone and picking the closest city have helped, then? :-) | 22:30 |
| cjwatson | ah, you knew what timezone you were in | 22:30 |
| cjwatson | I do contend that's a fairly rare situation | 22:31 |
| mario_limonciell | well I know that i'm central time since US people know these thigns :) | 22:31 |
| cjwatson | timezone highlighting will help a lot, I think | 22:31 |
| mario_limonciell | yeah i agree | 22:31 |
| mario_limonciell | well and what was it i just saw that highlighing in... mozilla lightning | 22:31 |
| mario_limonciell | when you receive ical notifications, you can select which timezone to adjust them to, and they highlight the map properly | 22:32 |
| cjwatson | interesting, didn't know about that | 22:32 |
| cjwatson | Ted sucked it out of the CIA Factbook I think | 22:32 |
| mario_limonciell | just noticed it myself today and it reminded me that this was bothersome | 22:32 |
| === soren_ is now known as soren | ||
| cjwatson | in Europe, you'd get people going "huh, am I on Western Europe time or Central Europe time?" | 22:33 |
| cjwatson | (this is a particular trick question because very few parts of we generally refer to as Western Europe are actually on Western Europe time) | 22:34 |
| mario_limonciell | ah : | 22:34 |
| cjwatson | it's also worth remembering that the timezone you're in right now isn't sufficient, due to daylight savings madness | 22:35 |
| cjwatson | cf. Indiana | 22:35 |
| cjwatson | or is it Arizona? I forget | 22:35 |
| mario_limonciell | used to be indiana | 22:35 |
| cjwatson | the city is particularly good because that maps *directly* to the notation in the timezone database | 22:35 |
| mario_limonciell | they abolished that now though, and have committed to eastern time only | 22:35 |
| cjwatson | right, and for those people who picked a relevant city in Indiana, they got automatically transitioned to that with no configuration changes required | 22:36 |
| mario_limonciell | ideally i suppose for the US: if there was an accurate representation on that map for the time zones and cities in those time zones, say clicking a region in TX near my area, perhaps that would automatically map to the closest city actually in the time zone that is in the database | 22:37 |
| mario_limonciell | that would be the happiest medium I could see | 22:37 |
| cjwatson | yeah, that's what I'd like to see too | 22:37 |
| cjwatson | I'm not sure everyone can point accurately to their location on an unmarked world map, but with city and timezone markings that should be enough context for most | 22:38 |
| mario_limonciell | yeah | 22:38 |
| cjwatson | I'm still not sure about the auto-zooming; the attempt at that in hardy went, frankly, very badly indeed | 22:38 |
| cjwatson | users found it disorienting and difficult to control | 22:39 |
| mario_limonciell | especially in the oem-config context. i found the ubiquity map more usable than the oem-config one | 22:39 |
| cjwatson | a magnifying lens *might* work but we need to be very careful; crude attempts at rendering something like that could actually come out worse, if it doesn't look and feel like a lens | 22:40 |
| mario_limonciell | did the idea of breaking the map up into continents come up? | 22:40 |
| mario_limonciell | so you have a different graphic you show when you pick your continent | 22:40 |
| cjwatson | I don't think so | 22:41 |
| cjwatson | wouldn't the different shapes be tricky? | 22:41 |
| cjwatson | I suppose it might stand some chance | 22:41 |
| mario_limonciell | well you figure to go with square boxes | 22:42 |
| cjwatson | I don't mean that kind of shape, more the different aspect ratios | 22:42 |
| cjwatson | North America is much taller than Asia | 22:42 |
| cjwatson | but they all have to fit into the same sort of shape of window | 22:42 |
| mario_limonciell | would have to use the same size for both, and use multiple snapshots for the bigger continents | 22:42 |
| mario_limonciell | africa would probably need two for example | 22:43 |
| * cjwatson contemplates using a bit of insomnia to tackle bug 64058 | 22:43 | |
| CIA-1 | console-setup: cjwatson * r73 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog config.proto): | 23:39 |
| CIA-1 | console-setup: If console-setup/layoutcode is preseeded but not marked as seen, then | 23:39 |
| CIA-1 | console-setup: set the default layout but don't lower the layout question priority or | 23:39 |
| CIA-1 | console-setup: preseed console-setup/ask_detect (LP: #64058). | 23:39 |
| CIA-1 | casper: cjwatson * r515 casper/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper-bottom/19keyboard): | 23:49 |
| CIA-1 | casper: Support ?= (set value but don't mark as seen) preseeding syntax for | 23:49 |
| CIA-1 | casper: console-setup/* (LP: #64058). | 23:49 |
| CIA-1 | console-setup: cjwatson * r74 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.25ubuntu2 | 23:50 |
| CIA-1 | casper: cjwatson * r516 casper/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.134 | 23:54 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!