[04:47] <nickrud> hahahaha
 If you have Ubuntu 8.04 what actual version of Ubuntu are you using?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> ubuntu version 42.
[04:58] <bazhang> haha
[04:59] <nickrud> another crazy brit clone
[05:03] <bazhang> nice.
[05:04] <nickrud> good thing he left, I was about to take up some slack
[05:04] <bazhang> his ban was clearly lifted too early
[05:05] <nickrud> was lifted, eh? I don't think that's a nick I'll forget
[05:05] <bazhang> * Neo_The_User (n=neo@c-24-12-190-159.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #ubuntu so it would be /cs b Neo_The_User ?
[05:07] <bazhang> seeing as he is banned in ot, xubuntu, and one other channel (need to double check at btlogin)
[05:08] <nickrud> bazhang yeah, or forward him hre
[05:08] <nickrud> if you're up for it
[05:08] <bazhang> that user name is still banned though nickrud ; at least according to btlogin
[05:09] <bazhang> *!*neo@*12-190-159.hsd1.il.comcast.net seems to what I should ban, right?
[05:09] <nickrud> the details of how bans work, how people get around them is on my to do list, but not very high up
[05:10] <bazhang> haha
[05:10] <bazhang> hate to mess it up and ban all comcast users though :)
[05:11] <nickrud> I depend on that script from seveas myself. And yes, I remember some situation where a few extras got caught in your net ;)
[05:11] <bazhang> most of canada iirc :)
[05:12] <nickrud> hahahha. I'm gonna be incommunicado for a while, inspector lewis is on. I am a big colin dexter fan, wondering how this series is.
[05:12] <bazhang> sweet :)
[05:15] <bazhang> relevant pastebin for Neo-->http://paste.ubuntu.com/23865/
[06:50] <nickrud> gack, this bot is driving me carzy?
[06:50] <Myrtti> which bot
[06:50] <nickrud> firefox3
[06:50] <nickrud> ubottu
[06:50] <nickrud> test
[06:50] <Myrtti> !test
[06:50] <nickrud> firefox3
[06:50] <Myrtti> !firefox2
[06:50] <Myrtti> !firefox3
[06:50] <nickrud> trying to update firefox 3
[06:50] <Myrtti> @login
[06:50] <Myrtti> yes?
[06:51] <nickrud> firefox3 is <alias> ff3
[06:51] <Myrtti> !ff3
[06:51] <nickrud> it hates me
[06:51] <Myrtti> !firefox3 is <reply> foo
[06:51] <Myrtti> !firefox3
[06:51] <nickrud> hates you too :)
[06:51] <Myrtti> !-firefox3
[06:51] <Myrtti> !-firefox3
[06:52] <Myrtti> !search firefox3
[06:52] <Myrtti> !-firefox3
[06:52] <Myrtti> !-firefox3*
[06:52] <Myrtti> !firefox3*
[06:53] <Myrtti> !forget firefox3
[06:53] <Myrtti> !firefox3
[06:53] <Myrtti> !firefox3 is <reply> foo
[06:53] <Myrtti> !no firefox3 is <reply> foo
[06:53] <Myrtti> !firefox3
[06:54] <Myrtti> pardon moi, but WTF
[06:54] <Myrtti> !firefox3 is <alias> ff3
[06:54] <Myrtti> !firefox3 <alias> ff3
[06:54] <Myrtti> ok, it hates me
[06:54] <nickrud> yeah. Thought it was me for a while, then realized it's not working. What's with the *
[06:54] <nickrud> note the ff , not ff3
[07:30] <Flannel> Anyone awake?  floods in #ubuntu
[07:31] <Flannel> and no, floodbot won't take care of it
[07:31] <Myrtti> !staff
[07:31] <Flannel> Thanks
[07:32] <Hobbsee> [16:32] [Whois] lnX is a user on channels: #lugtucuman #open-eslack #slackware-es #tuquito-es
[07:32] <Hobbsee> [16:32] [Whois] lnX is online via irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/).
[07:32] <Hobbsee> [16:32] [Whois] lnX has been idle for 5 hours, 55 minutes, and 16 seconds.
[07:33] <Hobbsee> okay then?
[07:34] <Myrtti> is he the one doing this?
[07:34] <nalioth> klined
[07:34] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: same IP
[07:34] <Hobbsee> nalioth: thanks
[07:37] <Hobbsee> mneptok: ping?
[07:48] <Hobbsee> nalioth: i've got a problem user here.
[07:48] <Hobbsee> nalioth: 98.211.210.84
[07:48] <Hobbsee> nalioth: guy spamming me in pm
[07:48] <Hobbsee> i think i banned him earlier
[07:49] <nalioth> yes, you did.
[07:49] <nalioth> he's not in any channel, just /quote silence him
[07:49] <Myrtti> he is
[07:49] <Myrtti> just joined #ubuntu
[07:49] <Hobbsee> http://rafb.net/p/QraU2978.html and such
[07:50] <Hobbsee> ban went in slightly late
[07:50] <Hobbsee> gotta love the quality of people on this network.
[07:51] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: welcome to IRCnet
[07:51] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: you'll love freenode immediately
[07:52] <Hobbsee> yeah...
[08:22]  * Myrtti sighs
[08:23]  * jussi01 wakes up
[08:29] <Myrtti> for crying out loud
[08:30]  * jussi01 raises an eyebrow...
[08:33] <Myrtti> someone wants me to to sign their openpgp key just because they've signed mine
[08:33] <nalioth> Myrtti: didn' you both sign at the same time?
[08:33] <Myrtti> NO?
[08:34] <Myrtti> >__<
[08:34] <nalioth> ya snooze ya lose  :(
[08:34] <Myrtti> I need my porridge
[08:37]  * jussi01 overslept today
[08:38] <Myrtti> hmmles
[08:38] <Myrtti> music!
[09:10]  * Myrtti huggles everyone
[10:02] <Gary> I needs huggles :'(
[10:03]  * Myrtti considers making a hug ticket system for LRL
[10:10] <elky> Myrtti, we may need to consider moving wols on
[10:14]  * elky waits for the torrent of abuse
[10:14] <soundray> elky: that was *way* over the top
[10:14] <elky> soundray, wols is not a nice person
[10:14] <soundray> elky: considering that wols had settled down and was actually trying to help
[10:14] <elky> soundray,  he wasnt. he's constantly berating our users like that
[10:15] <soundray> elky: one shouldn't be kicked for "not being a nice person"
[10:15] <elky> soundray, he was flaming, he needed to be removed
[10:16] <elky> soundray, he was asked twice by me alone to cease, and he's only been removed. there's nothing over the top about that
[10:17] <soundray> What happened to wols could easily have happened to me...
[10:17] <elky> soundray, just because others can make the same mistake, doesnt mean we dont enforce the no-flaming rule.
[10:17] <soundray> I still think there Unislash gave much more reason for a reprimand
[10:18] <soundray> He was utterly advice-resistant
[10:18] <elky> that's no reason to be flamed
[10:19] <soundray> Anyway -- not my decision. I hope wols comes back again to help. I know that I wouldn't.
[10:19] <elky> i dont like his version of help. i see enough of it in #debian
[10:22] <nalioth> quite so.
[10:22] <elky> for example:
[10:22] <elky> * osh_ (n=osh@user209.85-195-3.netatonce.net) has joined #debian
[10:22] <elky> * Shisui has quit ("Quitte")
[10:22] <elky> * Gunirus_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
 In postfix, how do I rewrite the email address so that it doesn't show  <root> root@my.box.com?
 osh_: #ubuntu
[10:22] <elky> that is not a helper i advocate for.
[10:22] <nalioth> we try not to treat our ignorant users as stupid cows
[10:23] <nalioth> ignorance can be overcome - stupidity is forever
[10:24] <elky> soundray, we daily get complaints about wols from at least one unique individual
[10:27] <Myrtti> elky: I agree
[10:27] <Myrtti> elky: I dislike him greatly
[10:27] <Myrtti> his attitude is disturbing
[10:28] <elky> Myrtti, he must whois everyone who joins #debian, seriously
[10:29] <Myrtti> ... could be, I whoissed everyone who joined #ubuntu for a while to get realnames
[10:29] <Myrtti> thought that was my client doing it
[10:29] <elky> heh
[10:30] <Myrtti> s/thought/though/
[10:31] <elky> hmm, im being trolled by wols in #debian now. i think this has gone past namespace
[10:31] <Myrtti> lovely character
[10:32] <elky> ever so
[10:35] <soundray> Okay, I'm taking it all back and admit that I was wrong.
[10:36] <Myrtti> I've seen him doing "since you've not listened to me, I'm putting you on /ignore"
[10:36] <Myrtti> more than once
[10:39] <elky> Myrtti, i reguarly end up on that list. i've been derided by him in #debian for asking debian questions about debian things, from a debian machine, just because he knows i run ubuntu too.
[10:40] <Myrtti> how ... rude!
[10:42] <elky> yeah
[11:03] <jussi01> sigh... [13:01:56] <flaccid> asraniel__, your girlfriend is probably not suited for linux. mac os x or windows is probably more appropriate
[11:04] <Myrtti> where is he so I can emp him
[11:04] <Myrtti> KILL
[11:05] <jussi01> #k
[11:07] <elky> jussi01, what was the context?
[11:08] <jussi01> elky: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23919/
[11:09] <nalioth> i'm handling it
[11:09] <jussi01> :)
[11:10] <Myrtti> KILL
[11:10] <Myrtti> emp?
[11:10] <Myrtti> hellokitty emp?
[11:10] <elky> um, had that been his father complaining about buggyness, would it have been bad to say his father was not suited?
[11:11] <jussi01> BonezAU: Hi
[11:11] <jussi01> @btlogin
[11:11] <BonezAU> jussi01, Hi are you able to help?
[11:11] <jussi01> BonezAU: Im looking at the situation now
[11:12] <flaccid> i just got banned for no reason.
[11:12] <flaccid> i would like to lodge a complaint against an op
[11:12] <Myrtti> jolly good
[11:12] <nalioth> flaccid: speak your piece ( and you were not banned )
[11:12] <flaccid> nalioth, tried to say that i used the word 'dumb' when the logs clearly show that i did not.
[11:13] <elky> some context for those who did not witness this might help
[11:13] <flaccid> banned from speaking in #kubuntu at least
[11:13] <elky> pastebins are common enough
[11:13] <flaccid> which is pretty insulting considering i help more than the person who muted me
[11:13] <jussi01> BonezAU: Unfortunately jack_sparrow is not around at the moment, he was the one who banned you.
[11:13] <nalioth> flaccid: if i say that your intelligence quoteient lies somewhere in the antarctic temperature range, this is the same as calling you "dumb", but not so succinctly.
[11:14] <BonezAU> jussi01, oh ok.. umm when was this ban put in place do you know?
[11:14] <jussi01> !patience | BonezAU
[11:14] <flaccid> nalioth, that sentence doesn't make any sense
[11:14] <elky> flaccid, he was calling you mute?
[11:14] <flaccid> i've never met you so you cannot judge me on that level
[11:14] <nalioth> 1214820116 05:01 < flaccid> asraniel__, your girlfriend is probably not suited for linux. mac os x or windows is probably more appropriate
[11:14] <elky> since 'dumb' means mute as well.
[11:14] <flaccid> and what is wrong with that? i never used the word dumb
[11:14] <jussi01> BonezAU: yesterday.
[11:14] <BonezAU> jussi01, I was not on IRC yesterday
[11:15] <Myrtti> ok, could we handle one thing at a time?
[11:15] <flaccid> common sense would depict if you are a new user to linux and it hard crashes on you frequently then maybe another OS is better for your hardware
[11:15] <jussi01> BonezAU: could you wait a moment please :)
[11:15] <nalioth> flaccid: i never said you used the word 'dumb'.  you were very inconsiderate with your statement, which for all intents and purposes calls the girlfriend "dumb"
[11:15] <BonezAU> jussi01, unless it was my flat mate... oh dear.. i'll be off to talk to him
[11:15] <BonezAU> jussi01, sure
[11:15] <flaccid> can an operator please address my problem with nalioth
[11:15] <flaccid> nalioth, you seem to be the only one interpretting it that way...
[11:15] <Myrtti> oh, REALLY
[11:16] <elky> when someone provides me with context, i may have some basis on which to address
[11:16] <flaccid> i've seen people make this same comment dozens of times, they didn't get muted. i mean this is freenode not censornode isn't it?
[11:16] <jussi01> flaccid: elky and Myrtti are attempting to do so.
[11:16] <flaccid> im a regular helper and it appears that ops lack respect to me
[11:16] <elky> flaccid, you're being inciteful now, and i do not appreciate that. it makes me less inclined to abandon a deadline to help you
[11:16]  * Myrtti growls
[11:17] <flaccid> elky, thats funny because nalioth was the one who was originally incitefull
[11:17] <elky> flaccid, you are not doing yourself *any( favour at all
[11:17] <Myrtti> 13:04 <+Myrtti> where is he so I can emp him
[11:17] <flaccid> its only human to be frustated when this happens and i feel your pain
[11:18] <flaccid> elky, thats fine, i'll just stop helping people and contributing and submitting bugs and ....
[11:18] <Tm_T> flaccid: please dont
[11:18] <elky> flaccid, i havent the time to deal with your rudness. you're not excused to do so by anyone else's behaviour.
[11:18]  * Myrtti lols
[11:18] <flaccid> so will someone fix this up for me or do i just discontinue my 50hours a week helping the project?
[11:18] <Tm_T> flaccid: calming down would help now
[11:18] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23924/ for context
[11:18] <flaccid> fixing my problem would help even more
[11:19] <elky> thank jussi01 i may be able to now
[11:19] <Tm_T> flaccid: fixing without calming down is hard to do
[11:19] <elky> and stop being so impatient, this is *not* the only thing im tryign to do right now
[11:19] <flaccid> im totally calm. there is no tone on irc.
[11:19] <Tm_T> flaccid: there is ;)
[11:19] <elky> flaccid, your comments have been nothing but inciteful.
[11:19] <Myrtti> I've been on IRC too long, I note again
[11:20] <flaccid> elky, so were nalioth and yours.
[11:20]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti 
[11:20] <Myrtti> where to start...
[11:20] <Myrtti> flaccid: first of all
[11:20]  * flaccid waits 10mins
[11:20] <Myrtti> "Wrongdoings of others do not justify yours"
[11:20] <elky> flaccid, it would have been less than that if you had have provided me context from the start. I am *not* in #k*
[11:20] <flaccid> the channel is logged
[11:21] <elky> jussi01, provided context, i am able to start looking
[11:21] <flaccid> Myrtti, i don't need your lecture ok, thanks anyway.
[11:21] <elky> flaccid, i am doing numerous things. i am not at people's beck or call
[11:21] <flaccid> how many ops are in this channel?
[11:21] <Myrtti> flaccid: well thanks, then I'll just take a step back and not even try to help you
[11:22] <flaccid> Myrtti, no you have it the wrong way around. you would be helping the project, not me.
[11:22] <Myrtti> since you clearly don't need my point of view
[11:22] <flaccid> exacly.
[11:22] <Myrtti> to be honest, from what I gathered from the paste of jussi01...
[11:22] <elky> flaccid, your comment in #k appears to be supporting someone say his girlfriend 'does not make the difference'. i can see how nalioth has interpreted it as you joining an insult.
[11:22] <Myrtti> well that settles it then
[11:22]  * Myrtti wipes her hands
[11:23] <Myrtti> so, any plans for dinner?
[11:23]  * jussi01 takes a deep breath
[11:23] <Tm_T> Myrtti: my place
[11:23] <jussi01> BonezAU: you are up!
[11:23] <Myrtti> Tm_T: oooh!
[11:23] <elky> you then accused naliioth of beeaking the CoC because he interpreted it that way.
[11:23] <jussi01> BonezAU: please repeat what you just told me in pm
[11:23]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[11:23] <Tm_T> elky: gone
[11:24] <nalioth> elky: flaccid has gone.
[11:26] <elky> nalioth, lift the ban. i think it was just unfortunate words. im about to rile him in PM for being so rude as to not wait for me to get to the issue.
[11:26] <nalioth> it was only a 10 minute quiet
[11:26] <elky> so he's talking there again already?
[11:26] <nalioth> evidentally so
[11:27] <Tm_T> yes
[11:27] <elky> for the record: /MSG flaccid you know, waiting would do you alot of justice, and be courteous since im risking a conference paper submission for your pride, your comment in #k appears to be supporting someone say his girlfriend 'does not make the difference'. i can see how nalioth has interpreted it as you joining an insult. you then accused naliioth of beeaking the CoC because he interpreted it that way. the ban was only a mute, and lifted lon
[11:27] <elky> g before you parted #ubuntu-ops. next time, dont be so damn rude -- you wasted my time.
[11:28] <soundray> elky: the 'does not make the difference' statement was not from flaccid
[11:28] <elky> i know it wasnt. read the words around the quote
[11:29] <soundray> elky: but what about the statement '[13:01:56] <flaccid> asraniel__, your girlfriend is probably not suited for linux. [...]'
[11:30] <soundray> Wasn't that the real CoC breaker? ;)
[11:30] <elky> soundray, no, should it be?
[11:31] <BonezAU> jussi01, Thank you, I found out it was my flatemate on my PC last night when I was not here
[11:32] <BonezAU> jussi01, I have changed my password and created him his own account on my ubuntu box so it wont happen again
[11:32] <soundray> elky: sounds very disrespectful
[11:32] <elky> soundray, against what?
[11:32] <soundray> elky: against the girlfriend
[11:33] <nalioth> elky: flaccid insulted the girlfriends intelligence
[11:33] <jussi01> Does anyone have any objections to me lifting the ban on BonezAU? it was set by jack_sparrow - you can see it on the bt
[11:33] <nalioth> it's the same as saying " you're too dumb to run linux "
[11:33] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[11:34] <soundray> elky: I think it's insulting, and it's degrading a person to something material that can be 'compatible' or 'incompatible', like hardware
[11:34] <elky> erk, now i have to find a way to stop flaccid inform me that we are a service to him.
[11:35] <Myrtti> we need FSoE
[11:35] <Myrtti> sorry, but we do
[11:35] <Myrtti> jussi01: seems ok to me
[11:35] <elky> i would comment but it'd end up at a CC meeting.
[11:35] <Myrtti> well I need it atleast
[11:35] <Myrtti> I know a certain Finnish person who'd I'd use it on
[11:36] <elky> i have just placed flaccid on ignore as he would not cease PMing me after numerous requests to cease.
[11:36] <nalioth> elky: /quote silence ( then you can watch him put his foot in his mouth in public )
[11:37] <elky> well by ignore, i mean, i cease responding.
[11:37] <elky> he's still rabbiting at me, very rudely
[11:37] <Myrtti> "mental woolly sock"
[11:37] <Myrtti> stuffed into his mouth
[11:38] <Myrtti> as we Finns use the "internal woolly shirt" in the wintertime
[11:38] <elky> i cannot comment as it would be wrongly interpreted as a threat.
[11:38] <jpds> Hmm, he left.
[11:38] <Myrtti> elky: mental bananas in your ears?
[11:39] <Myrtti> bananas are good mmmkay
[11:39]  * Myrtti flips
[11:39] <elky> jpds, no great loss if my PM log is anythign to go by. we apparantly owe him and should exalt him from every wrongdoing becase he helps people (gee, where've i heard that one before). i am apparantly also supposed to suck something.
[11:43] <jpds> Hmm
[11:45] <elky> @btlogin
[11:45] <elky> i hate you, ubottu
[11:50] <elkbuntu> !login
[11:51] <elkbuntu> she's all laggy
[11:51] <nalioth> isn't it @login and @btlogin ?
[11:52] <bazhang> aye
[11:53] <elkbuntu> yeah, i was waiting for a the btlogin in pm, and wanted to see if she knew about logins
[11:53] <Myrtti> note to self: boiling water is boiling
[11:53] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, really?
[11:53] <elkbuntu> did someone deal with bonez yet?
[11:54] <Myrtti> note to self, 2: sieve is a thing that passes things through
[11:56] <elkbuntu> jussi01, did you finish with bonez?
[11:57] <jussi01> elkbuntu: no. I got busy here. would you mid finishing it up?
[11:57] <elkbuntu> i would actually. it's 9pm and ive only got a heading for the 'due in 3 hours' paper presentation, and i go to bed in 90 minutes
[11:58]  * bazhang waits for neo_the_user to show up again
[11:59] <Myrtti> BonezAU:
[11:59] <Myrtti> still therE?
[12:00] <bazhang> talk about overreaction
[12:00] <Myrtti> bazhang: I didn't ban him ;-)
[12:00] <bazhang> yet :)
[12:01] <bazhang> I meant oli not you Myrtti :)
[12:01] <Myrtti> well...
[12:01] <Myrtti> http://pastebin.com/m595f31b6
[12:03]  * Myrtti pokes BonezAU 
[12:10] <bazhang> since we are sharing pastebins; here is neo_the_user from earlier-->http://paste.ubuntu.com/23865/
[12:11] <Myrtti> lovely
[12:12] <elkbuntu> is it a full moon somewhere?
[12:12] <Pici> On the moon.
[12:12] <elkbuntu> ha.
[12:12] <bazhang> his name is banned but the @etc.com has been unbanned (not by me)
 is it true that ubuntu will be take over by microsoft
[12:13] <Pici> Yeah, watching him.
[12:13] <elkbuntu> as i asked before...
[12:21] <BonezAU> Myrtti, I am here, sorry
[12:22] <Myrtti> and so is Jack_Sparrow, I note
[12:23] <BonezAU> yes, he is
[12:24] <Pici> !-fat32
[12:24] <Pici> !windowsdrives
[12:25] <Pici> !windowsdrives =~ s/write/NTFS write/
[12:25] <Myrtti> !windowsdrives ~= /write/NTFS write/
[12:25] <Myrtti> !windowsdrives
[12:25] <Pici> !ntfs =~ s/write/NTFS write/
[12:25] <Myrtti> right
[12:26] <Pici> !no fat32 is <alias> ntfs
[12:26] <Pici> !no fat32 is <alias> ntfs
[12:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti Sort of awake and here
[12:26] <Myrtti> BonezAU: I note that you've been removed from the channel before
[12:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici thanks for adjusting that
[12:26] <BonezAU> Myrtti, really? When was that?
[12:27] <Myrtti> May 15 2008 15:00:55 UTC
[12:28] <BonezAU> Myrtti, that's interesting.. perhaps there is more to it than I know about. As I said earlier, my flatmate now has his own account on my box and will no longer auto-login with my user account and have access to IRC under my nick
[12:29] <nalioth> Jack_Sparrow: can you do the honors?  ^^
[12:29] <Jack_Sparrow> These excuses that it wasnt me it was my room mate are wearing thin.
[12:30] <BonezAU> Jack_Sparrow, I am sure they are wearing thin - I can assure you that this is genuine though. I have taken action to prevent it from happening again
[12:31] <BonezAU> I regularly contribute to the IRC channel and have been using ubuntu for quite a while.. I enjoy contributing to the community as much as I do getting assistance
[12:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Were you not demanding that since you often helped out in the channel you deserved your answer now and deserved to repeat
[12:31] <BonezAU> I am not sure what you are talking about
[12:32] <Jack_Sparrow> the pm after the ban yesterday
[12:32] <BonezAU> Is there an IRC log or something so I can see what was written using my nick?
[12:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Sure is
[12:32] <BonezAU> Where do I find this?
[12:33] <BonezAU> I have stated my case, I don't know why it's so difficult to be unbanned... I want to get back in the ring and help others
[12:33] <BonezAU> I have made the changes to ensure it won't happen again
[12:33] <BonezAU> There's not much more to it ?
[12:36] <Jack_Sparrow> It is difficult as I dont believe it was your room mate... I am still reading .. give me a sec
[12:37] <BonezAU> okay
[12:39] <Jack_Sparrow> You were only logged in for three minutes when you started Hello? because you felt you were being ignored
[12:40] <BonezAU> ?? I was not even home last night
[12:41] <Myrtti>   ... so...
[12:41] <elkbuntu> hrm... was i disconnected from freenode or just my bip?
[12:42] <Pici> elkbuntu: I'm guessing just bip, you havent left here.
[12:42] <BonezAU> ... so... as I said earlier, I have removed the auto-login to my gnome session, changed my password and created my flatmate his own user account on my ubuntu pc
[12:42] <elkbuntu> *another* roommate story?
[12:43] <Jack_Sparrow> elkbuntu Yes.. but the room mate must know his habits quite well
[12:43] <Jack_Sparrow> [14:25] <BonezAU> I always help others, but can't get a straight answer to my question
[12:44] <BonezAU> Jack_Sparrow, yes he does, we share a similar interest in computers and ubuntu, he could come on here right now and take over from me and you'd never be able to tell the difference
[12:45] <elkbuntu> BonezAU, just so you know: roommate is the excuse of the month... we need photos of you busting your cohabitor before we genuinely believe it.
[12:45] <elkbuntu> we dont believe alot of the stories we get. call it learned cynicism.
[12:46] <BonezAU> that's fine, you can believe what and who you want, you are entitled to
[12:46] <BonezAU> but this feels like a police investigation
[12:46] <BonezAU> it's a damn irc channel
[12:46] <elkbuntu> BonezAU, its an irc channel of 1200 people.
[12:46] <BonezAU> you can unban me, monitor me, and kick me out if you don't like what I am doing
[12:46] <elkbuntu> it's not 'just' an irc channel.
[12:46] <BonezAU> you can't just presume that i am a bad person
[12:47] <elkbuntu> we can actually. we rarely do so without cause though.
[12:47] <Jack_Sparrow> We can review your bahavior that has got your account banned twice so far.. we do have that to go on.
[12:47] <elkbuntu> Jack_Sparrow, if he's 'rectified' the situation, let him back in. he knows it wont be so easy if it happens again.
[12:47] <BonezAU> well I see #ubuntu as a valuable source of information and I enjoy being a part of the community
[12:47] <Jack_Sparrow> agreed
[12:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Done
[12:49] <elkbuntu> always nice to get that thankyou.
[12:49] <Jack_Sparrow> Im waiting for his first question to be the one that got his room mate banned
[12:49] <BonezAU> yeah lol lol
[12:50] <elkbuntu> BonezAU, what now?
[12:50] <Jack_Sparrow> BonezAU Is there anything else
[12:50] <Jack_Sparrow> !idle
[12:52] <BonezAU>  [ryanakca] idle 16:29:23, [tonyyarusso] idle 06:47:10, [juliux] idle 53:03:26, [JanC] idle 13:25:22 - Why the special rules for me?
[12:52] <elkbuntu> BonezAU, those are not idlers, they're helpers.
[12:52] <BonezAU> maybe I want to help too
[12:52] <BonezAU> they are still idlers
[12:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Again wanting special treatment?
[12:53] <elkbuntu> BonezAU, dont argue.
[12:53] <Jack_Sparrow> I am rethinking my decision
[12:59] <elkbuntu> not worth it
[12:59] <elkbuntu> you can however tell me what you think of my proposal abstract!
[13:00] <elkbuntu> the topic being working with proprietary software companies from a FOSS advocacy pov...
[13:00] <elkbuntu> Title: Keep Your Enemies Closer: FOSS versus The World
[13:00] <elkbuntu> Abstract: By the time of the GNU project was founded in 1983, proprietary licencing software had become the norm. 25 years later, the software liberation movements are increasingly gaining ground and coming closer to bringing back the "good old days" However, we're not there yet and sometimes we need to work with those who we do not trust or agree with. This paper asks that critical question: Should we, or shouldn't we?
[13:02] <bazhang> should not.
[13:02] <bazhang> nice proposal by the way elkbuntu
[13:02] <elkbuntu> hehe
[13:13] <Pici> Does ubottu do the "see my private message" for all !$0 > $1 now? even if there are ($comments) ?
[13:14]  * Hobbsee eyerolls
[13:14] <Hobbsee> flaccid ending up here again...
[13:14] <bazhang> more roommates in the mix?
[13:14] <bazhang>  /j #ubuntu-roommate
[13:16] <elkbuntu> hahhaa
[13:16] <Jack_Sparrow> cute
[13:16] <bazhang> :)
[13:17] <Hobbsee> or #ubuntu-lame-excuse-for-the-week-decisions
[13:17] <bazhang> hahaha
[13:18]  * Hobbsee wonders...
[13:18] <ikonia> limcore in #ubuntu is about to kick off as usual
[13:18] <Hobbsee> oh, excellent.
[13:18]  * Hobbsee sharpens her stick
[13:18] <ikonia> "this is rubbish etc etc"
[13:18] <ikonia> standard issue
[13:19] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: whatcha doing?
[13:19] <Myrtti> BonezAU: yes?
[13:19] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: nothing to concern you.
[13:19] <PriceChild> Ok then, was referring to you going +o in #ubuntu, which concerns me.
[13:19]  * Hobbsee coudl be doing any number of things.
[13:19] <PriceChild> Either way, I hope you would be polite enough so not be so accusatory.
[13:20] <Myrtti> BonezAU: anything we can help you with?
[13:20]  * bazhang checks the phase of the moon
[13:20] <Hobbsee> accusatory?  you were the one accusing me of doing something sinister, by being concerned.
[13:20]  * Myrtti coughs
[13:20]  * Myrtti larts bazhang 
[13:20] <Hobbsee> as it was, i'm watching limcore, and looking at old bans.  is that okay by you?
[13:20]  * bazhang is defeated
[13:21] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: also, not telling you what my infinite plans are are not being impolite, nor being accusatory.
[13:21]  * Myrtti twiddles her thumbs
[13:21] <Hobbsee> s/are/is/
[13:21] <Myrtti> now that's disturbing
[13:22] <Myrtti> 0 days 0 hours 28 mins 51 secs
[13:33] <Pici> hi
[13:33]  * Pici hugs #ubuntu-ops
[13:33] <Myrtti> I guess I'll have to start waiting for Severed Fifth since... Lugradio is quitting
[13:34] <bazhang> \0/
[13:34]  * Myrtti larts bazhang 
[13:34] <Myrtti> I like Jono's voice.
[13:34]  * Myrtti has a trembling lower lip
[13:34]  * bazhang is doubly-larted
[13:35] <Myrtti> rightly so
[13:36] <Pici> Myrtti likes Jono
[13:36]  * Pici runs
[13:36] <Myrtti> pft
[13:36] <Myrtti> I like you too
[13:36] <Pici> :)
[13:36]  * Myrtti shrugs
[13:36] <Pici> \o/
[13:37] <Myrtti> I'm past Jono already :->
[13:37] <Myrtti> and no, I will *not* comment more
[13:40] <Daviey> Myrtti: If you knew how much gas Jono releases during the night.. i wonder if you'd be so keen :)
[13:41]  * Myrtti shrugs
[13:41] <Myrtti> I love my mom too?
[13:41] <Myrtti> BonezAU: yes=
[13:41] <BonezAU> Hi Myrtti
[13:41] <Pici> BonezAU: Can we help you?
[13:41] <BonezAU> How are you
[13:41] <BonezAU> Hi Pici
[13:42] <Myrtti> fine thanks, I'd like to know what we can do to you now?
[13:42] <Myrtti> you surely have some reason to come here?
[13:42] <Pici> s/to/for/  maybe.
[13:43] <Jack_Sparrow> BonezAU We made the no idling policy quite clear yet you continue to rejoin...
[13:43] <BonezAU> No, no reason, I just like to hang out
[13:43] <BonezAU> It's IRC after all
[13:43] <BonezAU> and i'm entitled to join whatever channel I want without breaking the freenode policies
[13:43] <Myrtti> BonezAU: sure you are
[13:43] <Myrtti> though, we as operators can also ban you
[13:44] <Pici> BonezAU: Channels still have their own policies though.
[13:44] <Myrtti> for not adhereing to the channel no-idling rule
[13:44] <BonezAU> You can, but you would need a valid reason to do so
[13:44] <Jack_Sparrow> I am ready to reinstate the ban in ubuntu
[13:44] <BonezAU> That is not a freenode rule
[13:44] <Myrtti> BonezAU: so?
[13:44] <BonezAU> Well as you reside on the freenode network, you have to abide by their rules
[13:45] <Myrtti> channel rules extend freenode rules
[13:45] <Myrtti> freenode rules do not run channel rules over
[13:45] <BonezAU> Well i'm not causing anyone any trouble by idling in this channelk
[13:45] <BonezAU> I would just keep quiet if you didn't keep targeting me
[13:45]  * bazhang points to the /topic
[13:45] <Jack_Sparrow> BonezAU You are not allowed to idle in this channel
[13:46] <Myrtti> BonezAU: we keep track on issues handled here by keeping idlers off
[13:46] <BonezAU> okay, well I won't idle
[13:46] <BonezAU> I'll just keep talking
[13:46] <BonezAU> there's no grounds to ban me for simply talking
[13:46] <Jack_Sparrow> offtopic
[13:46] <Myrtti> other than disrupting our work
[13:46] <Myrtti> ?
[13:46] <Pici> BonezAU: This channels logs are available if you are curious as to what goes on here, but this *is* a working channel
[13:46] <BonezAU> That's not against the freenode policies
[13:46] <Pici> BonezAU: Try #ubuntu-offtopic if you just want to chat.
[13:46] <Pici> BonezAU: Freenode doesnt run this channel, we do.
[13:47] <Myrtti> 0___0
[13:47] <BonezAU> Why are others allowed to idle in here
[13:47] <BonezAU> even though you continue to pick on me for idling
[13:47] <Hobbsee> because they're operators....
[13:47] <BonezAU> well I don't see them operating
[13:47] <BonezAU> I see them idling
[13:47] <Hobbsee> and are here to deal in operator-based discussions.
[13:47] <BonezAU> Why are you singling me out
[13:47] <Pici> thats enough.
[13:48]  * Myrtti yawns
 /cs k Jack_Sparrow
[13:48] <bazhang> nice.
[13:49] <Jack_Sparrow> cute
[13:49] <bazhang> and then quit
[13:53] <elkbuntu> how he even knows the script shortcuts i dun wanna know
[13:53] <bazhang> he saw it a few moments before he got kicked
[13:54] <elkbuntu> ah
[13:56] <Jack_Sparrow> I hit space before the /cs earlier
[13:56] <Jack_Sparrow> fat fingers in the am
[13:57] <bazhang> removus interruptus
[13:57] <Myrtti> lol
[13:57] <Myrtti> bazhang: no, actually ircus interruptus
[13:58] <bazhang> Myrtti, haha
[13:58] <Jack_Sparrow> PriceChild Will expect him to return soon
[13:58] <PriceChild> Jack_Sparrow: hmm?
[13:58] <Pici> Seeing how hes banned again in #ubuntu, probably.
[13:58] <bazhang> bonezau
[13:58] <bazhang> PriceChild, ^^
[13:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Sure .. it was his room mote
[13:59] <bazhang> remove the mote in your roommate before you troll on ubuntu
[13:59] <Pici> Its everyone's roomate, brother, cousin, friend, split personality, doppleganger, etc...
[13:59] <bazhang> hehe
[14:00] <Myrtti> doppleganger ex's are scary
[14:00] <bazhang>  /j #ubuntu-exorcism
[14:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Abby........  Abby Who?     ....      Abby-Normal
[14:02] <bazhang> haha
[14:02] <bazhang> classic movie
[14:02] <Pici> eh?
[14:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Young Frankenstein
[14:02] <bazhang> frau bluchner
[14:02] <Pici> I've never seen it :|
[14:02] <Jack_Sparrow> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehehehe
[14:02] <Hobbsee> Pici: you forgot the pet cat.
[14:03] <Hobbsee> Pici: and baby.
[14:03] <bazhang> and wolf
[14:03] <Hobbsee> bazhang: people can keep wolves as pets?
[14:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici black and white.. mel brookes  classic
[14:03] <bazhang> Hobbsee, not safely :)
[14:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Hobbsee yes, father in law has one
[14:04] <bazhang> they tend to take over user accounts and spam in #ubuntu
[14:05] <Jack_Sparrow> I'll paste a picture of the beast when I find one
[14:06] <bazhang> Pici, it is a must-see :)
[14:06] <Pici> bazhang: I'll put it on Netflix
[14:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[14:10] <bazhang> :)
[14:40] <Pici> ugh
[15:34] <Hobbsee> is 124-171-7-116.dyn.iinet.net.au a common address?
[15:34] <Hobbsee> well, a known address for #ubuntu or something?
[15:37] <jpds> Sorted.
[15:37] <Pici> that was fast
[15:37] <bazhang> whoa that was sooper fast
[15:38] <jpds> Pici: That's Captain Jack Sparrow for you. ;-)
[15:38] <bazhang> hehe
[15:39] <bazhang> m3talgod> great! thank you very much for your support! <--one of the bright spots for today :)
[15:43] <jpds> Hobbsee: meh, *stabs*
[15:45] <Hobbsee> jpds: heh, yes
[16:44]  * Myrtti sighs
[16:44] <Jack_Sparrow> More sangria for Myrtti
[16:44] <Myrtti> nope, none of that
[16:45] <Pici> why is Myrtti sighing?
[16:45] <Myrtti> I think I'll get a cup of chamomille
[16:45] <Pici> mm
[16:45] <Myrtti> and then perhaps tweak my Skype
[16:46] <Pici> I think I'm going to upload a hackergotchi head
[16:47] <Pici> my own ;)
[17:00] <jussio1> Myrtti: server going down for approx ½ hour, please ready ubott2
[17:01] <jussio1> heya Pricey
[17:03] <Myrtti> mmm marinated zucchinis
[17:04] <jussio1> oh ssh you
[17:04] <Myrtti> and chicken
[17:04] <Myrtti> well... not yet
[17:04] <Myrtti> just was popping the zucchinis in the marinade
[17:04] <Myrtti> whut
[17:04]  * jussio1 is still trying to figure out what to cook for dinner
[17:04] <Myrtti> basic summer food
[17:05] <Myrtti> well that was something new
[17:07] <Myrtti> exiting!
[17:07] <Myrtti> exciting...
[17:07] <Myrtti> ex... whatever
[17:07] <jussio1> Myrtti: you have ex's on the brain
[17:08] <Myrtti> jussio1: don't tempt me to grab the brain bleach bottle
[17:08] <Myrtti> I had too much of that already on Thursday
[17:27]  * Myrtti finds receipts from Thursday in her purse and cringes
[17:31] <nalioth> this year, Myrtti ?
[17:31] <Myrtti> this year, last Thursday
[17:32] <nalioth> ah, that's good then.
[17:32] <Myrtti> ...
[17:32] <nalioth> beats finding receipts from 2004
[17:32] <Myrtti> receipts from bars I don't remember been to
[17:32] <nalioth> oooh, fun times
[17:32] <Myrtti> two bars
[17:33] <Myrtti> though I remember commenting the football match to a couple of English fellers
[17:33] <Myrtti> >___<
[17:34] <Myrtti> oh SIGH.
[17:36] <Ziroday> Hi, the bots dont seem to be working
[17:36] <Myrtti> I guess that's my cue
[17:36] <jussio1> yep. sounds it
[17:36] <Myrtti> !test
[17:36] <Ziroday> please
[17:37] <jussio1> ok, go for it
[17:37] <Myrtti> already launched
[17:38] <Myrtti> oh sigh
[17:38] <Myrtti> I forgot to sync the database
[17:38] <Myrtti> oh well
[17:39] <Ziroday> so is our dear ubottu back up
[17:39] <Myrtti> nope
[17:39] <Ziroday> because were useless without him
[17:39] <Myrtti> that's just the temporary one for the duration while ubottu is being relocated
[17:39] <Myrtti> be gentle to HER
[17:39] <Myrtti> they're both females.
[17:39] <nalioth> Myrtti: you can sync it with the bot running
[17:40] <Myrtti> ah, true
[17:40] <Ziroday> okey dokey
[17:40] <Myrtti> there
[18:05] <Myrtti> !test
[18:05] <ubott2> Failed!
[18:05] <Pici> weird.
[18:05] <Myrtti> what is
[18:05] <Pici> Someone in #kubuntu was asking if another user was a bot.
[18:11] <Myrtti> !test
[18:11] <ubott2> Failed!
[18:12]  * Myrtti yawns
[18:19] <jussio1> Pici: who was that someone?
[18:20] <Pici> jussio1: rickest thought ilya was a bot
[18:20] <jussio1> oh
[18:31] <Myrtti> oh, there was an extra chicken thingie in the package
[18:31] <Myrtti> joy
[18:32] <Pici> oh
[18:32] <nalioth> two clucks for the same buck? fun times  :)
[18:32] <Pici> I was thinking .deb package for a moment.
[18:32] <jussio1> arrrgh, I kill you (firefox)
[18:34] <jussio1> Myrtti: look who I met last night: http://lifematta.com/jussi01/event/11407/
[18:34] <jussio1> :D
[18:34] <Myrtti> LOL
[18:38] <Myrtti> everyone has eaten again?
[18:38] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2624672799/
[18:39] <Pici> yummy
[18:40] <Pici> I has a head: http://planet.ubuntu.com/heads/bnrubin.png
[18:53]  * jussio1 counters Myrtti with this: http://lifematta.com/jussi01/event/11404/
[18:54] <jussio1> nom nom
[18:54] <Myrtti> aaaaaaaaannnnd epiphany...
[18:54] <Pici> the browsr? or the philosphical thing?
[18:54] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[18:55] <Myrtti> the browser
[18:55] <Myrtti> ....
[18:55] <Myrtti> crashes on that link
[18:55] <jussio1> Myrtti: dunno what it is, but firefox has bee crashing like crazy also - see my killing earlier
[18:56] <Pici> It was a cake with about two inches of icing on it
[18:56] <Myrtti> is that the cheesecake?
[18:56] <jussio1> yes, its the cheesecake
[18:56] <Pici> oh, so thats not icing?
[18:56] <jussio1> Pici: its not icing
[18:56] <Pici> ah
[18:57] <jussio1> its very yummy, but quite rich...
[18:58] <Myrtti> we don't do icings in Finland really
[18:59] <Myrtti> whipped cream if anything
[19:01] <Myrtti> I've once had US style layer cake with icing and it was horrible
[19:01] <Myrtti> my skin oozed preservatives and artificial aromas for weeks
[19:03] <nalioth> Myrtti: home made is best
[19:20] <Myrtti> I HATE MY OLD BANK
[19:20] <Myrtti> KILL IT
[19:21] <Pici> o.o
[19:21]  * Myrtti grumbles
[19:21] <ompaul> one emp cannon pointed at $bank (there is a pun there somewhere)
[19:21] <nalioth> Myrtti: WITH FIRE?
[19:22] <Myrtti> WITH NAPALM AND TAR
[19:22] <Pici> ooh
[19:22] <Myrtti> burning oil
[19:22]  * Myrtti twitches her fingers
[19:23]  * Pici gives Myrtti back her stapler
[19:23] <Myrtti> I've got a few select nouns and adjectives reserved for those .... gits.
[19:28] <Myrtti> ... GRRRR
[19:32] <PriceChild> Did ubott2 not rejoin all channels?
[19:32] <Pici> Seems that way.
[19:32] <Pici> its not in -offtopic at least.
[19:33] <PriceChild> Or is it another bot down? (just chucked it into -uk)
[19:33] <Myrtti> it did not join all channels
[19:33] <Myrtti> I've taken some of the channels it joins off because there is no guarantees of how much load it can take
[19:34] <PriceChild> sounds smart
[19:34] <Myrtti> currently the loads are ok, but there's not been any testing on it, so I'd rather not risk it
[19:34] <Myrtti> I don't even dare to think what the loads would be if it were ubottu instead of ubott2
[19:35] <Myrtti> since then people would pm it
[19:35] <Myrtti> s/would/would know to/
[19:36] <Pici> no, the first way made sense.
[19:36]  * nalioth needs to get his remote servers supybot capable
[19:37] <Myrtti> !login
[19:37] <ubott2> Factoid login not found
[19:37] <Myrtti> @login
[19:37] <ubott2> Myrtti: The operation succeeded.
[19:37] <Myrtti> @join #ubuntu-uk
[19:39] <ompaul> Pici, ~ in the past we have had people troll no end when they "discover" there is no longer support for 5.04
[19:42] <ubott2> ASULutzy called the ops in #ubuntu (Anon9189)
[20:03] <Pici> well, hes not getting unbanned
[20:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Ever
[20:04] <Pici> 15:03:05 <FloodBot1> WARNING: Neo_The_User appears to be abusive
[20:04] <nalioth> dynamic account
[20:04] <nalioth> oh, him.
[20:04] <nalioth> yeah, floodbot1 is the understater of the year on that one
[20:05] <Pici> nalioth: What do you think about people in ##politics trolling about DoSing #ubuntu ?
[20:05] <nalioth> Pici: they troll about everything in there
[20:05] <nalioth> it is the same feculent scum that used to infest #Politics, you know
[20:06] <Pici> I stayed out of there
[20:07] <nalioth> #politics is closed.  all the scum was flushed to ##politics
[20:38]  * Myrtti sighs
[20:48] <ubott2> In ubott2, cliff_ said: ok at this link http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R6.7.0/doc/radeon.4.html but confused as to what to do next is there a remote desk top i can activate and have you help me?
[20:48] <jussio1> cliff_: hi
[20:49] <cliff_> hey
[20:49] <jussio1> cliff_: dont streess about it we saw
[20:49] <jussio1> :)
[20:49] <cliff_> man this so so diffrent then widows
[20:50] <jussio1> cliff_: if you tell the bot x is y then it reports it to us here.
[20:50] <cliff_> bot?
[20:50] <jussio1> [06/30/08 22:47:56] < ubott2> In ubott2, cliff_ said: ok at this link http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R6.7.0/doc/radeon.4.html but confused as to what to do next is there a remote desk top i can activate and have you help me?
[20:51] <jussio1> cliff_: why did you join here?
[20:51] <cliff_> oh ok
[20:51] <cliff_> well do you know if you can help me?
[20:51] <jussio1> cliff_: join #ubuntu for help
[20:51] <jussio1> :)
[21:02] <Tm_T> hi kids
[21:06]  * Myrtti yawns
[21:25] <jussio1> Myrtti: unfortunately looks like an overnight thing :/ think you bot will be ok?
[21:26]  * jussio1 sighs
[21:26] <Myrtti> looks like it
[21:26] <Myrtti> the loads have been relatively cool
[21:26] <jussio1> great :)
[21:26] <Myrtti> yeah, could take even more strain
[21:27] <Myrtti> I'm tempted to rename her ubottu and check where the loads would go
[21:27] <Myrtti> they're about 0.05 now
[21:28] <Myrtti> but I really can't be bothered, considering going to bed and sleep
[21:28] <Myrtti> have to go to damned Helsinki tomorrow
[21:38] <Myrtti> ... yeah.
[21:38] <Myrtti> anyway, good night
[21:40] <jussio1> night
[21:56] <ikonia> are any of the USA guys awake ?
[22:10] <tonyyarusso> yes
[22:10] <tonyyarusso> It's 4:00 PM here.
[22:10] <ikonia> Hmmm, I may be sorted, so I'm ok
[22:11] <ikonia> thank you though
[23:41] <stdin> Myrtti: ping
[23:44] <bazhang> * FloodBot1 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) uh oh
[23:45] <nalioth> ruhroh
[23:45] <nalioth> i'll fix it
[23:45]  * gnomefreak wonders why dana always has issues that noone else has :(
[23:46] <bazhang> hehe
[23:46] <gnomefreak> every release he does this and its everyday
[23:46] <gnomefreak> most of it is him hacking something in /etc or / for that matter
[23:47] <nalioth> floodbot1 is now running on a remote server
[23:47] <bazhang> yay!
[23:47]  * bazhang hugs nalioth 
[23:47] <bazhang> arch might be better for danaG
[23:49] <gnomefreak> honestly after looking at access list i only see 4 or 5 people that havent been around for a while (this is to the person that cares who is oped in #ubuntu)
[23:49] <gnomefreak> i so want to mute him/her on some days or tell him/her to join #ubuntu-offtopic since it was a problem he/she introduced
[23:49] <bazhang> him iirc
[23:49] <gnomefreak> hacking intrepid is stupid for 1
[23:50] <gnomefreak> or any dev sysle
[23:50] <gnomefreak> cycle
[23:50] <gnomefreak> IMO if its his hack its offtopic\
[23:51] <bazhang> but will he admit its his hack is the question
[23:51] <gnomefreak> sometimes after 3-4 days of complaining
[23:51] <bazhang> whoa
[23:52] <gnomefreak> it gets very old and i think its more of an attention getting tacktic
[23:53] <bazhang> undoubtedly
[23:59] <gnomefreak> :(