[00:01] <ScottK> belgacem23: One person has joined since the last time you asked that.  The answer likely hasn't changed.
[00:04] <sommer> ScottK: I uploaded a new version of php5-clamavlib to the clamav ppa... for intrepid
[00:04] <sommer> ScottK: it builds fine, but I haven't actually tested it yest
[00:04] <sommer> err yet
[00:04] <ScottK> sommer: Great.  I'll try to have a look at it once you've tested it.
[00:05] <sommer> ScottK: I'm working on an updated hardy package, but how do you add backports to pbuilder?
[00:06] <ScottK> Same way you add universe, just add backports.
[00:06] <sommer> ah, I added hardy-backports
[00:06] <sommer> sigh
[00:07] <ScottK> Did you want to add hardy-backports or the clamav PPA?
[00:10] <sommer> hardy-backports, isn't that as up-to-date as the PPA at this point?
[00:13] <ScottK> No.  No 0.93 there because we don't have the rdepends all working yet.
[00:14] <ScottK> No clamav at all in *-backports right now.
[00:14] <sommer> ScottK: ah, gotcha
[00:14] <sommer> how do you enable the ppa in pbuilder again?  :)... is it --other-mirror?
[00:21] <sommer> oh ya, --override-config
[02:29] <tharis20> I need to take an internal HDD into a HDD Enclosure and I want to connect it to my lappy that that has WinXP and Ubuntu HH.
[02:29] <tharis20> Then, I want to install ubuntu-server in it
[02:29] <tharis20> *external HDD
[02:30] <tharis20> and then put the HDD back into the Desktop
[02:30] <tharis20> from where I took it
[02:30] <tharis20> how can I do it without screwing my Lappy's GRUB?
[04:22] <stiv2k> Hey how come this ssl-cert package has been being kept back on my server for like a really long time?
[04:34] <ScottK> stiv2k: Because you need to install the new openssl blacklist tool with it.
[04:34] <ScottK> stiv2k: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[04:59] <stiv2k> ScottK: ok
[05:06] <stiv2k> ScottK: thank you!
[05:07] <ScottK> stiv2k: Any time a package gets held back, you should investigate it immediately.
[05:08] <stiv2k> ScottK: okay
[08:22] <jussi01> Ok, we have a shared folder on our fileserver(via samba), when people fom windowws write  to it the permissions are set to their own and nobody else can read it.
[08:22] <jussi01> how does one make it so when users write everyone can read?
[08:32] <hads> jussi01: I don't use samba but you'll want to look into umask
[08:32] <jussi01> hads: ok, thanks. googling now :D
[08:33] <hads> jussi01: NP, just saw this http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2002-August/050432.html
[08:37] <jussi01> hads: ahh, that explains t well! thanks
[08:38] <hads> No worries
[08:49] <kraut> moin
[09:44] <celephais> Ciao, stò cercando di installare la versione server utilizzando PXE, fino ad ora sono riuscito a configurare il server dhcp e tftp, provando il boot da PXE tutto funziona. Ma la cosa che non riesco a capire è stò installando la versione serve o quella desktop. Ho usato la cartella netboot trovata su archive.ubuntu.com di hardy
[10:14] <trentster> hey all, need some advice, I want to setup a freenx deb machine at our datacentre for technicians to log into, One of the things they will be able to do from there is use tsclient or rdesktop to login to fix problems at our clients windows servers, I want the session to automatically loin to the server and supply the password, but I dont want the password to be in plain text in the .rdp conf file for them to read....any ideas
[10:25] <nocturn> I ﻿ tried to put Xen on my Ubuntu 8.04 server, but it seems to have broken the install.
[10:25] <nocturn> After aptitude install ubuntu-server-xen, the system barely boots
[10:25] <hads> nocturn: Xen isn't as supported on Hardy as KVM.
[10:26] <nocturn> logging in takes ages
[10:26] <nocturn> hads: I would use kvm if I could
[10:26] <nocturn> but the machine does not have VT
[10:26] <nocturn> I only need virtualisation to run Zimbra, because it conflicts with Apache and ldap on the real server
[10:27] <hads> Bummer. I don't know a lot about Xen so probably can't help.
[10:32] <nocturn> I think I'll have to move the server to CentOS :-(  Rather than run Vmware on Linux
[11:33] <Dark_Shadow> greetings, how can i use a command promt from netboot without needing to "setup" the rescue system, i need some minimal system which boots over pxe from where i can chroot to my "normal" enviroment
[12:01] <ikonia> Dark_Shadow: thats going to be tricky as yoru netboot image would have to be a system that was designed to boot/access as shell
[12:05] <Dark_Shadow> agreed, however the rescue system from the netboot should be able to, but i did not figure out how to skil the questions yet
[12:06] <ikonia> you wo'nt be able to interact with the install from the boot options
[12:06] <ikonia> you'll need to boot it then interact with it on the client to drop it in to rescue shell
[12:07] <ikonia> you may want to consider using an image thats specificlly designed for local interaction, eg: the Fedora rescue image, the LFS live cd, something that does a dhcp by default then drops into a shell on that system
[12:07] <Dark_Shadow> if i understand you right i got the prob that i do not have any local media there
[12:07] <ikonia> doesn't have to be local media "there", local media on the install / pxe server
[12:14] <Dark_Shadow> so the fed rescue image is able to boot from "netboot" and therefor i can get it a script to execute where i do chroot and "start" my normal enviroment right?
[12:15] <ikonia> no
[12:15] <ikonia> the fedora rescue image will netboot for you
[12:15] <ikonia> it will then present you with either a shell or a ncruses interface (dependong on your choice)
[12:15] <ikonia> from there you can manually mount your ubuntu environment
[12:17] <Dark_Shadow> hmm, guess i did not make myself clear enought, the last step should be a diskless ubuntu system booting through network without need a nfs server. therefor i do not "have" the option to manually set up the chroot
[12:17] <ikonia> then surly you can just telnet to the network where the "disksless" disks are stored
[12:18] <ikonia> I'm not quite sure I'm getting you
[12:18] <Dark_Shadow> k ill try to explain a bit brighter :) one sec
[12:18] <ikonia> you want to use a netboot image to chroot into a diskless box....that not using an NFS mount, so must only be running that in RAM  ?
[12:18] <Dark_Shadow> yes
[12:18] <Dark_Shadow> ideally i do not want to chroot
[12:19] <ikonia> well, that doesn't make any sense as by default if it's running the OS in ram, then the netboot must provide the image to load into ram
[12:19] <ikonia> so why do you need to "start it" as the netboot should start it as there is nothing to "start" without that image
[12:19] <Dark_Shadow> well ill explain
[12:20] <Dark_Shadow> i got the image/kernel +initramfs/tar whatever, it transfers to the client fine, extracting, booting till it wants to mount the root fs, at the point i get a kernelpanic
[12:20] <ikonia> ok.....
[12:20] <ikonia> ......and ?
[12:21] <Dark_Shadow> i cant seem to get it working after that point
[12:21] <Dark_Shadow> fstab mtab and kernel options seems to be fine
[12:21] <ikonia> ok - so what's all this stuff your trying to do then with netbooting other stuff
[12:21] <ikonia> Dark_Shadow: mtab can't be fine as it's not booted the OS - so how can you have an mtab
[12:22] <Dark_Shadow> let me explain further
[12:23] <Dark_Shadow> the diskless client i got a "working" image on hdd from, i boot this one, all fine, this image needs to be transportet through pxe to the client as its just temporary that the client has a hdd.
[12:23] <ikonia> thats not how it works
[12:23] <Dark_Shadow> as for the mtab, there was a howto i followed which created automatically an initram which i just needed to copy
[12:23] <ikonia> you can't take a working OS and make it into a pxe image
[12:23] <ikonia> well, not as easy as that
[12:24] <Dark_Shadow> thats where i would try the "netboot" and chroot method
[12:24] <ikonia> there is going to be references to physical disks which just won't exist on the netboot disksless system
[12:24] <Dark_Shadow> netboot, get a command prompt, cp the files to ram, and chroot
[12:24] <Dark_Shadow> yeah exactly
[12:24] <ikonia> Dark_Shadow: you can't netboot and chroot - there is nothing to chroot to
[12:24] <ikonia> "copy the files to ram" ???
[12:25] <ikonia> it's held in ram, so when you power of - it will go
[12:25] <ikonia> you need to edit the "image" before it boots
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> yes
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> but i can get it from the image
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> this part should work in theory
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> cp it from the server into the ramdisk
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> then mount the ramdisk
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> and chroot to it
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> but i guess theres more references to hdds then fstab, kernel parameters and such
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> yes its k that way
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> its intendet
[12:26] <ikonia> I think your approaching this all wrong, especially for a diskless client
[12:27] <Dark_Shadow> hmm, i cant think of another solution without optical, hdd and without nfs
[12:28] <ikonia> not taking an image of a disk based system is a good start
[12:28] <ikonia> take apart the livecd and look how that works
[12:28] <ikonia> thats aimed at running in ram
[12:31] <Dark_Shadow> so i should try to install directly into the ram? then copy it to the server (when it works) and cp after the reboot again , did i get you right there?
[12:33] <Dark_Shadow> 32
[12:33] <Dark_Shadow> never mind that number >(
[12:39] <ikonia> not a case of "install into ram" as ram dissapears
[12:39] <ikonia> but "run" from or "uncompress working image into" ram
[12:39] <ikonia> again, look at how the livecd works, thats basiclly a working image
[12:48] <Dark_Shadow> hmm, guess i need to make my own live^cd^ after all, thanks for the help
[12:49] <ikonia> not quite your own livecd - but certainly the techinque the livecd uses to open into ram
[13:44] <jdstrand> zul: I have a patch for bug #241448
[13:45] <jdstrand> zul: it was an upstream bug introduced in the patch for CVE-2008-1105
[13:45] <jdstrand> zul: I'll be pushing that out today
[13:46] <jdstrand> zul: seb128 was able to reproduce it and verify the patch fixes it
[13:46] <zul> jdstrand: cool good to hear that it wasnt one of my patches that broke things ;)
[13:47] <jdstrand> zul: nope, it was mine
[13:47] <zul> jdstrand: it was a regression introduced by the cve intresting
[13:48] <jdstrand> zul: upstream's patch didn't deal with large files properly
[13:48] <lukehasnoname> soren: pwned me on that GUI ML entry
[13:48] <zul> jdstrand ahhh...I was thinking about that this weekend and we should probably enable the testsuite for samba as well
[13:48] <jdstrand> zul: https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5517
[13:48] <zul> yeah I saw that this weekend
[13:50] <jdstrand> zul: well, the test suite requires --enable-socket-wrapper, I am not sure if that is desired in a regular build. however, you do a 'fake build' with that enabled, then throw it away and build it for real
[13:51] <zul> jdstrand: yeah if you build it fakeroot debian/rules build it fails as well besides smbclient -L needs to be run as root
[13:52] <jdstrand> zul: oh that's right too-- 'sudo make test' in the qa-regression-testing notes
[13:53] <zul> it would have been a good though to enable it when it was building but it looks like it cant be done easily
[13:54] <zul> jdstrand: oh btw slangasek enabled the make test in the openldap debian packge's svn repo
[13:54] <jdstrand> cool
[13:54] <zul> one less thing we have to do for 2.4.10
[13:55] <jdstrand> ls
[14:55] <melter> is there a server build of intrepid alpha?
[14:59] <melter> nm, found it
[15:09] <brewmaster_> what do i need to do to refresh my ssl certificates?
[15:10] <brewmaster_> when i view from cpanel, it says it expires 2010
[15:10] <brewmaster_> but when i browse the site with FF / konqi, the info says expires in 2008
[15:10] <brewmaster_> (yesterday)
[15:11] <brewmaster_> restarting apache did nothing btw
[15:14] <croessner> Hi, is there somebody knowing on how to install Hardy on an Intel Apple Xserve?
[15:16] <croessner> Oh please, not all at once :-)
[15:16] <Birthday_Kaiser> patience :)
[15:17] <croessner> Birthday_Kaiser, just joking a bit.
[15:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> croessner, :)
[15:18] <croessner> Kamping_Kaiser, it's really hard to get answers on my topic. So I really do not believe in getting any help anywhere.
[15:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> i've got no idea. dont play with intel apples :)
[15:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyway, catch you later
[17:13] <Dark_Shadow_2> greetings, if one would create a netboot initram, does one have to alter the inittab/ or the /etc/event.d script files? If not, where do i have to put a script which runs before mounting root?
[17:33] <ScottK> mathiaz: I added my usual spec item to the agenda.  I think I added it in the wrong place though, so feel free to move it around.
[18:21] <celephais> i, is there a way with dpkg to save the installed program's list to a file and then install the same package on another machine?
[18:21] <maswan> --get-selections
[18:22] <celephais> uh thanks
[18:22] <celephais> and is there a way to copy configuration files too?
[18:44] <zul> mathiaz: I think jcastro mentioned that you should be able to link php and mysql bugs to launchpad soon
[19:14] <zul> jdstrand: ping, do you want me to do the samba fix for intrepid?
[19:15] <jdstrand> zul: no, I already did
[19:15] <zul> jdstrand: cool
[19:16] <jdstrand> zul finally realizes the benefits of jdstrand's core-dev membership
[19:16] <zul> jdstrand: heh I knew but you got to fix everything else so I thought you might need some help ;)
[19:24] <jdstrand> zul: I appreciate it :)
[19:24] <zul> jdstrand: np
[19:40] <melter> how do i replace dhcp3-client with dhcpcd?
[20:15] <lukehasnoname> mathiaz and mathiaz_ are both on
[20:15] <lukehasnoname> zomg
[20:22] <kylebrown> Hi
[20:22] <kylebrown> Can anyone help me set up my first linux server?
[20:27] <ScottK> kylebrown: It generally works better when you've tried yourself and then ask specific questions about problems you're having.
[20:27] <kylebrown> Well I have it installed. Can you help me from there? I am linux dumb, lol. I can use things with a GUI for general usage, but never anything like this
[20:31] <kylebrown> ScottK: Would you be able to help me set my frist file server up?
[20:34] <ScottK> I'm probably not the best person to ask for that use case.
[20:34] <kylebrown> Well the only thing that I know how to do is log in, lol. I just need something. I'm horrable at this. I mean if you don't mind helping that is.
[20:35] <duiu> kylebrown: If you don't mind spending $40 on a book, there's a very good one called "Begging Ubuntu Server Administration" by Sander van Vugt that I came across last week. It explains EVERYTHING.
[20:35] <duiu> *Beginning
[20:36] <kylebrown> I might have to check that out some time. I don't have much use for a server for real intense things. Just simple access on a rare occasion and for storage at home.
[20:36] <ScottK> kylebrown: Have you looked at the Ubuntu server guide?
[20:36] <kylebrown> I honestly had no idea there was one
[20:36] <kylebrown> i google'd for hours
[20:36] <kylebrown> I havn't slepet for like 24 hours.
[20:36] <lukehasnoname> duiu: I recommend that book as well
[20:37] <lukehasnoname> help.ubuntu.com kylebrown check for the server guide
[20:37] <ScottK> kylebrown: There is also https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[20:37] <ScottK> ^^ server guide.
[20:37] <ScottK>  ^^ server guide.
[20:37] <kylebrown> I'm usually mostly on my mac (as I am now), windows sometimes to program, and linux for other general things
[20:38] <duiu> kylebrown: advice, write this down even if you don't understand it. Create users for everyone that will access your server, put the users in a group, make a directory like /srv/fileserver, make the group the group owner, and a member of the group the file owner. And set SUID. Then conifgure samba for that folder (there's guides for that)
[20:38] <kylebrown> Thanks so much for the guide
[20:39] <kylebrown> what if I give out an access name and password and make only one?
[20:39] <duiu> if everyone uses that and doesn't access at the same time, that'll work too.
[20:39] <kylebrown> So multi users are for multi access is all?
[20:40] <duiu> and for keeping track of who does what
[20:40] <duiu> also, if you employ the sticky bit as well as SUID, it's keeps people from deleting each other's files
[20:40] <ScottK> kylebrown: If you only have one username for everyone the first time someone does something they are supposed to you will deeply regret the decision.
[20:41] <kylebrown> Why?
[20:41] <duiu> You won't know who did it, when, and won't be able to fix it.
[20:42] <duiu> kylebrown: I assume this is just for your house?
[20:42] <duiu> so there isn't more than 6 people, I'd guess?
[20:42] <kylebrown> Pretty much. And for distrubuting small games that I make
[20:42] <kylebrown> Not at a time. One or 2 at a time most
[20:43] <duiu> well, for your local users do "useradd (insertusernamehere)" then "passwd (useryoujustmade)" to set a password for them.
[20:44] <duiu> oh and you'll have to use sudo when you do that
[20:44] <lukehasnoname> kylebrown: with " -m" after useradd
[20:44] <duiu> yes, sorry about that, your user probably wants a home directory
[20:45] <lukehasnoname> seriously, get the book duiu recommened, it won't solve every problem, but it sure will help
[20:45] <duiu> yeah, I learned all this last weekend. I'm just waiting for all the parts to arrive to do the same thing you are :)
[20:45] <kylebrown> I have no idea what I am doing in here....................
[20:46] <kylebrown> I will never get this working because I don't know linux
[20:46] <duiu> kylebrown: if all you want is a file server you could use FreeNAS. It's easier, but you can't do as much.
[20:47] <duiu> I think it'll do an FTP server as well.
[20:47] <kylebrown> I'm cool with that as long as I can store and get files
[20:47] <kylebrown> Can I get them strieght from browser to download?
[20:47] <duiu> ?
[20:48] <duiu> www.freenas.org
[20:48] <duiu> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/freenas
[20:48] <kylebrown> I'll brb, sorro
[20:49] <kylebrown> back
[20:49] <kylebrown> I think that is what I want
[20:50] <duiu> The guide's a little tricky, it's not written well, but it explains everything.
[20:50] <kylebrown> Ok. I am on my server and at the logged in command line
[20:51] <kylebrown> I am really bad with guides, because it never works right. I tried videos, and written guides and failed
[20:52] <kylebrown> What's my first step? I assume download, and if so, how
[20:52] <duiu> download FreeNAS? That's a whole nother operating system. Download it and burn it to a cd using a different computer.
[20:52] <kylebrown> oh, lmao
[20:53] <duiu> check out #freenas for help
[20:53] <kylebrown> Like the one I'm on?
[20:53] <duiu> yeah
[20:53] <kylebrown> You guys rocl
[20:53] <duiu> can't help you anymore
[20:53] <kylebrown> alright. I'll try that
[20:54] <mathiaz> kees: how do you feel about bug 243810 ?
[20:56] <kees> mathiaz: I feel like I wish there was time to get the AA code ported to the intrepid kernel.  ;)
[20:57] <kees> mathiaz: in theory, jjohansen has been working on the next cycle up for-mainline patches, so I was waiting on that.
[20:57] <kees> mathiaz: if much more time goes by, I'll do it myself, but I've been busy with other stuff
[20:58] <mathiaz> kees: ok - That's what I thought
[20:58] <mathiaz> kees: user space is up-to-date, but kernel is not ready yet
[20:58] <kees> mathiaz: right.
[20:58] <kees> mathiaz: I just uploaded the userspace bits over the weekend (though I botched and didn't include your changes)
[20:59] <kees> I'm sure there will be more uploads, so it'll get in.
[21:00] <mathiaz> kees: I'll milestone this bug for intrepid-beta ok ?
[21:01] <kees> mathiaz: yeah, that should certainly be done by then.  :)
[21:02] <mathiaz> kees: hm - I'd put beta4 instead, which is just before FF
[21:02] <kees> okay, sounds right. (you mean alpha4?)
[21:02] <mathiaz> kees: yes :D
[21:51] <sommer> ScottK: I've created an updated php5-clamavlib debian package, should I just attach it to debian bug #479885 ?
[21:52] <ScottK> sommer: Did you make it proper NMU?
[21:52] <sommer> ScottK: I think so :)... read through the developers reference sections concerning nmus
[21:53] <sommer> want to have a look at it first?
[21:53] <ScottK> sommer: Can you put a debdiff somewhere and link me?
[21:53] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:53] <sommer> only 4.5k want me to just email it?
[21:53] <ScottK> That's fine.
[21:53] <ScottK> scott .at. kitterman.com
[21:54] <sommer> cool, on the way
[21:54] <ScottK> sommer: Do you have any interest in maintaining the package in Debian?
[21:55] <sommer> ScottK: since upstream is dead, it doesn't seem like the greatest of candidates
[21:56] <ScottK> I don't do PHP, so I have no opinion, but do you think it's useful?
[21:57] <sommer> ScottK: I guess I don't really see the benefit of it... the only real use I can see for it is to scan uploaded files, but you could just as easily call clamdscan, or another utility
[21:58] <ScottK> Right.
[21:58] <ScottK> I guess if you were scanning a lot of files the direct libclamav integration would be faster, but that's a detail.
[21:59] <sommer> I've also noticed the php5-clamavlib performance hit when starting apache, so for me the project seems redundant
[22:01] <sommer> anyway, gotta run bbl
[22:01] <ScottK> OK.
[22:01] <ScottK> See you.