[00:04] <bryce> tjaalton: welcome back!
[00:28] <bryce> tjaalton: we should get the new xserver and input-hotplug stuff hooked in the next couple weeks (I'm out the 2nd half of July as well)
[00:33] <tjaalton> bryce: thanks!
[00:33] <tjaalton> bryce: yep, should be doable
[00:34] <tjaalton> I'll upgrade my laptop to see how it goes
[00:34] <bryce> btw, don't know if you saw  the libx11/xcb discussions on the list
[00:34] <tjaalton> I did, briefly
[00:34] <bryce> looks like xcb is causing issues, but they can be worked around.  Doing a non-xcb libx11 doesn't look feasible to me due to compiz dependencies on xcb
[00:35] <tjaalton> right.. it would be ugly
[00:35] <bryce> but I think we are going to need to pull in some xcb updates from that upstream in intrepid
[00:36] <tjaalton> upstream should merge the handoff patches, which would make it never to use locking anymore
[00:36] <tjaalton> IIRC
[00:36] <bryce> I suspect that's the plan, although I don't have details
[00:37] <tjaalton> the patches became public in March, but then nothing happened
[00:38] <tjaalton> I'll probably mail the pkg-nvidia-dev list (debian) about the nvidia mess
[00:38] <bryce> cool
[00:39] <tjaalton> and ask if they've noticed that the latest driver dropped support for gf5
[00:43] <tjaalton> I kinda like the new theme
[00:45] <bryce> I upgraded my main test box, but now I can't log in (some sort of Xinput error)
[00:45] <tjaalton> hum, mine works
[00:46] <tjaalton> this is my old laptop, but tomorrow(ish) I'll upgrade the X60s (intel)
[00:46] <bryce> yeah no idea.  I abuse the system by putting on lots of experimental stuff, so maybe it just needs a fresh reinstall
[00:48] <tjaalton> k, need to get some sleep before getting back to work :)
[00:48] <bryce> night
[00:48] <tjaalton> night ->
[00:49] <bryce> wow, phoronix knows a lot about our X plans for intrepid - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_810_alpha1&num=2
[01:21] <pwnguin> public mailing lists, public UDS, public forums, public irclogs
[01:32] <bryce> yes, but for a tech journalist to actually do research is still a thing of amazement
[06:47] <tjaalton> actually, the article only shows what upstream is up to, and those naturally end up in intrepid ;)
[06:47] <tjaalton> xserver 1.5 requires mesa 7.1 etc
[07:32] <superm1> tjaalton, where are you guys at so far on the nvidia stuff for intrepid?  
[07:32] <superm1> anything that i can help with to get it rolling?
[07:36] <tjaalton> superm1: I just got back from vacation, but I guess the problem now is that the latest driver dropped support for GF5 series.. so upgrades are "problematic"
[07:36] <superm1> tjaalton, ugh, that's fairly ugly
[07:37] <superm1> so nvidia-new nvidia-new-new nvidia and nvidia-legacy now?
[07:37] <tjaalton> there were options on how to proseed, but none of them are painless
[07:37] <superm1> what were the proposed options for proceeding then?
[07:37] <tjaalton> probably not, the versioning in debian is more sane ;)
[07:38] <tjaalton> nvidia-...-legacy-96xx etc
[07:38] <tjaalton> let me dig up the post
[07:39] <superm1> the first thing that comes to mind for me is a meta package that depends on all of them 
[07:39] <superm1> or recommends all of them
[07:39] <superm1> that has a debconf question that sets up symlinks 
[07:39] <superm1> but that can get rather messy
[07:55] <tjaalton> tseliot: hi! what is the outcome of the discussion about the nvidia packages?
[07:56] <tseliot> tjaalton: we can use metapackages for different graphics card series which depend on the real packages
[07:56] <tjaalton> tseliot: but the real package names remain the same as in debian?
[07:57] <tjaalton> I'm about to mail them about the issue
[07:57] <tjaalton> ..that the latest driver dropped support for gf5
[07:58] <tseliot> we can use driver 96xx for GF5
[07:58] <tseliot> ﻿pitti wanted to see something like nvidia-glx-96
[07:58] <tseliot> ﻿nvidia-glx-177, etc.
[07:58] <tjaalton> that's basically what debian has
[07:59] <tjaalton> maybe he just wasn't aware of it
[09:14] <tjaalton> mvo: does a dist-upgrade to intrepid still require some hand-holding?
[09:14] <tjaalton> there was some package that needed to be installed before that..
[09:15] <mvo> tjaalton: yes and no, we fndutils needs to be upgraded before glibc, but we added a depeneds for this
[09:15] <mvo> so that should work
[09:15] <tjaalton> mvo: ok, cool
[09:15] <mvo> other than that I know currently of no extra hand holding requireed
[09:16] <mvo> fixed early last week IIRC (glibc is a bit of a beast :)
[09:16] <tjaalton> heh, I can imagine
[09:16] <tjaalton> laptop upgrading.. then on to flashy X stuff
[09:16] <mvo> tjaalton: did you had a chance to make package for the latest -ati and mesa for ati? with the r500 3d stuff :-D ?
[09:17] <tjaalton> mvo: -ati should be recent enough, mesa needs an upgrade for xserver 1.5 anyway, so when that lands it should work
[09:17] <mvo> tjaalton: let me know how it works for you (the uprade) I did some tests that looked ok, but gnome is in a lot of flux so sometimes it just refuses to upgrade because ubuntu-desktop is not installable
[09:17] <tjaalton> maybe this week, next week at the latest
[09:17] <mvo> rock!
[09:17]  * mvo hugs tjaalton
[09:17] <tjaalton> we'll run off to vacation, both bryce and I, after next week :)
[09:18] <tjaalton> so hopefully there's enough time to iron out the most critical issues that could pop up
[10:01] <tjaalton> mvo: the dist-upgrade went fine
[10:03] <mvo> great
[11:39] <tjaalton> bryce: I'm thinking of putting mesa changes to git.d.o on a branch like xorg/xorg-server
[13:12] <Q-FUNK> hm
[17:42] <bryce> tjaalton: do we have that many changes against mesa?
[18:33] <tjaalton> bryce: no, but it would be easier to pull stuff from upstream now that we need unreleased stuff
[18:53] <tjaalton> bryce: but it's not a matter of life or death, I can play with stuff on my own branch locally, and when it's ready I'll wrap up a package
[23:38] <tjaalton> bryce: looks like there'll be a new libdrm today :P
[23:38] <bryce> ooh!
[23:38] <tjaalton> which should help a lot
[23:39]  * bryce nods
[23:39] <bryce> wonder if the psb guys got their stuff into it
[23:43] <tjaalton> I think it's basically master without the ttm stuff
[23:43] <tjaalton> but could be wrong
[23:44] <bryce> once we get it in, I'll diff against the UME libdrm and see what remains