[03:48] <Rhorse> me rubs
[03:48]  * Rhorse rubs
[05:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> i get this error
[05:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> ./mt/installmd86 or something like that
[05:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> when i check my disks for integrity
[05:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i already used 4 disks
[05:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've only got 6 left and i'm not going to keep trying
[05:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm redownloading
[05:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> hopefully if i get hte same error again
[05:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> i will be able to go on and install xubuntu despite of what the disk check for errors tell me
[05:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> and you the experts will be able to help me fix anything that needs fixed from within the system
[05:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> besides i plan to have xubuntu and master it, i'm eager to and can't be bothered wasting CDRs on errors
[05:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> and eventually when i master it, i will then be ale to help as well and sit here quietly
[05:18] <spoo_> hi
[05:18] <spoo_> i messed up my desktop!
[05:18] <spoo_> i tried installing compiz
[05:18] <spoo_> now i'm a mess
[05:18] <spoo_> i want my regular stuff back
[05:18] <spoo_> any help appreciated
[05:24] <Rhorse> is it xorg or Xfce that's messed up?
[05:26] <spoo_> umm
[05:26] <spoo_> i dunno
[05:26] <spoo_> i'm in kde now
[05:26] <spoo_> i thought that might work
[05:26] <spoo_> everythign is black
[05:26] <spoo_> it's there, but can't see it
[05:27] <spoo_> i just removed compiz, i think
[05:27] <spoo_> via terminal
[05:27] <spoo_> it said to delete the ./compizconfig folder/files
[05:28] <spoo_> i dont know where those are
[05:29] <Rhorse> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[05:29] <spoo_> what does that do?
[05:29] <Rhorse> create a fresh xorg.conf
[05:29] <spoo_> oh
[05:29] <spoo_> cool
[05:29] <spoo_> ok
[05:29] <spoo_> even in kde that works?
[05:30] <Rhorse> actually it's better to quit X and do it in a virtual terminal
[05:30] <spoo_> what's that?
[05:31] <Rhorse> type alt-ctl F1, log in and type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:31] <spoo_> ok
[05:31] <spoo_> thanks
[05:31] <Rhorse> HIW
[06:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> once i install xubuntu
[06:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> or
[06:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> when i'm intalling kubuntu
[06:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i keep it
[06:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> from erasing
[06:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> everything
[06:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> on my ntsf partition
[06:23] <cody-somerville> CostaRicanQuaker, tell it to keep your current windows install
[06:24] <cody-somerville> CostaRicanQuaker, ie. do *not* select the "use entire disk" option :)
[09:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok i've got problems
[09:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> A) i had partitioned my g drive which has a total of 80GB into two partitions
[09:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> one ntsf to keep windows of about 39 gigabytes
[09:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> and another one of 40 that was ext3
[09:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i put in the xubuntu live and install cd and it's a pain in the ass it runs real slow
[09:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> it gets stuck several times
[09:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> then on choosing how to partition i chose use greatest free space available eventhough what it was doing was not even reading the remaining ext3 partition but just reading and dividing the extant ntsf partition
[09:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> and then it got stuck
[09:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i donjt' know
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm going to try to reburn Gparted again
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> because originally it never let me redo my partitions
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> but otherwise i don't get why xubuntu is running so slow
[09:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> ive 248 ram
[09:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> anyway i'll return
[11:22] <microwaver> Hello, new to the xcfe environment, but I can't seem to simply drag and select items on my desktop
[11:45] <jokoon> hello, Id like to access a windows shared folder
[11:45] <jokoon> it worked with ubuntu
[11:45] <jokoon> I did a smb://192.168.0.11
[11:45] <cody-somerville> microwaver, unfortunately that isn't supported in the current version
[11:45] <cody-somerville> jokoon, Try installing PyNeighborhood
[11:46] <jokoon> thanks for the suggestion
[11:47] <jokoon> more and more app with python these days
[11:48] <microwaver> cody-somerville, strange thing :) but thanks for the help. It's not that I use the desktop , but wanted to make sure I didn't have a faulty installation
[11:48] <cody-somerville> microwaver, Oh wait. I think I misread you.
[11:48] <cody-somerville> microwaver, By drag and select, you mean select multiple items at the same time in a selection box, right?
[11:49] <jokoon> cody-somerville it only detect my $print thing, why not my shared folders ?
[11:50] <cody-somerville> jokoon, Probably because you're not authenticating
[11:50] <jokoon> ok
[11:52] <jokoon> it says "failed to mount"
[11:53] <jokoon> i put the auth and empty password (I don't have a pass on my machine)
[11:53] <jokoon> (windows machine)
[11:53] <jokoon> cody-somerville
[11:54] <cody-somerville> jokoon, Are you using PyNeighborhood app?
[11:54] <jokoon> yes
[11:55] <jokoon> I tried with cfis
[11:55] <cody-somerville> jokoon, I haven't had much luck with that application myself.
[11:55] <jokoon> no error message
[11:55] <cody-somerville> You might try linneighborhood instead
[11:55] <jokoon> but it isn't mounterd eithe
[12:00] <jokoon> cody-somerville not in the repo
[12:00] <cody-somerville> There is xsmbrowser
[12:00] <jokoon> ok
[12:01] <microwaver> cody-somerville, you're totally right.
[12:01] <cody-somerville> microwaver, okay. Just wanted to make sure :)
[12:02] <microwaver> cody-somerville, so that's not supported right :) ?
[12:04] <cody-somerville> microwaver, right.
[12:46] <ezoner> please, is there someone who want help with partition resize using Ubuntu LIVE CD ?
[12:52] <jokoon> cody-somerville istn't there a way to just access a shared folder from my windows ?
[12:52] <jokoon> something just simple
[12:52] <jokoon> I have samba installed
[12:52] <cody-somerville> ezoner, How are you having trouble?
[12:54] <jokoon> I just want to transfer file on a lan network
[12:54] <cody-somerville> jokoon, http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-browsing-samba-shares-with.html
[12:54] <jokoon> I don't understand how xsmbrowser works
[12:54] <jokoon> thanks
[14:07] <microwaver> hello, i've been adding a launcher to my menu (adjusting main menu) but it won't show up.
[14:07] <microwaver> do I need to restart my graphical shell after doing so?
[14:11] <David-A> microwaver: not what i know of, i have to close the menu editor for changes to take effect
[14:11] <microwaver> David-A, did that.
[14:12] <microwaver> David-A, I think it's connected with my gnome shell :|
[14:15] <David-A> is it a gnome menu in the xfce panel?
[14:15] <David-A> (the 3 menu panel item)
[14:19] <microwaver> David-A, no, it's the xfce menu I guess
[14:20] <microwaver> David-A, but when I go to Settings  >  Main Menu I get something else than when I go to Settigns Manager > menu editor
[14:22] <David-A> microwaver: i dont have a "Settings  >  Main Menu"..., but i still have xubuntu 7.10. or you have installed somthing i have not.
[14:22] <microwaver> Is it save to do an autoremove of ubuntu-desktop, will it affect my /etc/ settings (like wireless drivers and such)?
[14:24] <TheSheep> microwaver: it wont' remove settings unless you use --purge
[14:24] <microwaver> so just autoremvoe ubuntu-desktop is 'safe'
[14:29] <jokoon> cody-somerville
[14:29] <jokoon> tuto doesn't work : (
[14:30] <cody-somerville> jokoon, Maybe your windows machine must not be configured correctly.
[14:30] <jokoon> It only puts contents available of my home folder
[14:30] <jokoon> no idea what is misconfigured ?
[14:31] <jokoon> I don't understand, it works correctly under gnome
[14:31] <jokoon> I mean
[14:31] <jokoon> for ubuntu to browse a windows shared folder
[14:31] <jokoon> can't xubuntu do that ,
[14:31] <jokoon> ,
[14:31] <jokoon> cody-somerville
[14:31] <jokoon> ?
[14:32] <cody-somerville> jokoon, I don't know why it is not working for you. You haven't been very clear as to why it isn't working.
[14:33] <jokoon> in gnome I type smb:///<ip of my windows machine>
[14:33] <jokoon> in the address bar and it works
[14:34] <jokoon> in xubunu I did as the tutorial explained, put permissions on some folder, put fusesmb with it in the autostarted apps
[14:42] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, maybe you can help jokoon  :)
[14:42] <jokoon> I also put fuse in etc/modules
[14:43] <jokoon> I have some problem when I try to put permission to fuse
[14:43] <jokoon> sometime I select fuse but it just doesn't want to
[14:43] <jokoon> it goes back on read only
[14:50] <jokoon> TheSheep ?
[15:05] <TheSheep> jokoon: sorry, I don't use windows, no idea
[15:06] <jokoon> : (
[15:18] <jokoon> cody-somerville works better than before, apparently I am connected to my windows machine but it says timeout when I click on a folder
[15:19] <cody-somerville> ok
[16:39] <humberto> How install cedega in xubuntu?
[16:43] <cody-somerville> humberto, The same way you would install it in any other distro :)
[20:11] <whileimhere> I am using Xubuntu 7.10. When I upgrade to 8.04 I lose support for both my external CDRom and my Wireless card. When I do a fresh install of 8.04 I also lose the CDRom and Wireless. When I use the live CD of 8.04 I have no issues. Any idea why? I am still at 7.10 because of these issues.
[20:21] <migm> gonna need to look at logs and see whats going on
[20:22] <whileimhere> Ahh Well I wasn't even going to tempt fate until I could id what was the issue. I have to much stored on this laptop to play god with it right this second.
[20:32] <gaurdro> whileimhere,  don't you have backups?
[20:52] <slow-motion> hi
[20:53] <gaurdro> howdy
[20:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> I am having real trouble installing xubuntu, i have a question
[20:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> is there a way i can install ubuntu
[20:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> get xubuntu
[20:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> and get rid of the gnome
[20:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> as in upgrade to xubuntu's latest from ubuntu
[20:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> my computer's going real slow adn gets stuckwhen reading the install live cd so i'm downloading the alternate cd from a torrent
[20:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> but i have an old ubuntu cd by canonical
[20:57] <gaurdro> have you checked the integrity of the disk?  that might be your issue.
[20:58] <gaurdro> if you really want to go the ubuntu route you can.  install ubuntu and then install xubuntu-desktop. remove ubuntu-desktop and auto-remove everything else it says isn't needed.
[20:58] <gaurdro> before doing that make sure you have everything backed up in case something goes wrong.
[21:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> also
[21:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> i had an ntsf partition as i'm on windows xp
[21:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> i had an old kubuntu cd
[21:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i used that
[21:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> created a partition in ext3
[21:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> but didn't installkubuntu
[21:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> instead i readsome more about kubuntu
[21:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> as it looked as more practical in thelong run
[21:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> so what happens is i wanted to alter the partition
[21:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> used gparted and it didn't work, so my system is telling me i have a 79 gb ntsf partition however if i go to my computer and check the hard drive it says its' about 39 gb and that i only hve 25 gb left
[21:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> i downloaded a partition programme and it says i cna't create a new partition as there's not enough free space
[21:03] <zoredache> CostaRicanQuaker: if you don't have a backup of your data on that ntfs partition i would make getting one created your first priority
[21:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've already backed up, so i dont know if i should just stick in the ubuntu cd and make two parititons
[21:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> bt i wonder if ubuntu will be able to create a partition for xp should i want to use that too
[21:04] <zoredache> CostaRicanQuaker: you may have to start by doing a clean install of windows if you partitions are really too messed up
[21:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> can't i do that from ubuntu?
[21:05] <TheSheep> you can
[21:05] <TheSheep> but betetr format it under windows
[21:05] <TheSheep> they didn't document their filesystem too well, you know
[21:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok, meanwhile what i'm doing is downloading the torrent for kubuntu and xubuntu alternate cds
[21:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> who didnt?
[21:06] <zoredache> microsoft
[21:06] <gaurdro> microsoft.  ntfs is proprietary
[21:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> so once i burn the cds for xubuntu and kubuntu i boot from the windows instal cd and partition it?
[21:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> or reinstall...i can't remember
[21:07] <TheSheep> CostaRicanQuaker: just leave some free space for linux
[21:07] <TheSheep> CostaRicanQuaker: windows can't create linux partitions
[21:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i stick in the windows install cd and let it boot up
[21:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> as though i was installling windows again
[21:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> and there'll come a point in which it asks me topartition and i make a new partition
[21:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> of say 67 gb
[21:09] <zoredache> CostaRicanQuaker: once you get to the partitioner part you may have to start by deleting all the partitions that are there.  then press 'c' to create a partition and make it big enough for windows and whatever you want to store there
[21:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've heard that with some emulator or something like that i will eventually have access to my windows files from xubuntu and viceversa
[21:11] <zoredache> yes, you can mount your ntfs partition in linux...
[21:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm thinking 15 gb for linux and 65 for windows
[21:12] <sloopy> 3
[21:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> so the way for me to fix this is to boot up from the xp install cd and act as though i was reinstalling everything over again right
[21:16] <zoredache> have any new bugs been reported against the the recently release xfdesktop4 package  xfwm4 keeps segfaulting....
[21:22] <EverettGM1819> ok, so uh, how do you use the so called menu editor, i just converted from ubuntu to xubuntu, because my computer is old. like really old and my really new computer blew. im used to ubuntu but it ran to slow on here so i was recommended this distr. i like it it is really fast
[21:29] <migm> is there a question in there?
[21:29] <Kidfork> Does xubuntu have WUBI?
[21:31] <Riotta> Kidfork: all ubuntu flavours has it I think
[21:32] <EverettGM1819> migm: well it is different from ubuntu and i dont kno how to use it
[21:32] <Kidfork> Riotta: Ok thank you
[21:34] <gaurdro> Kidfork,  it does.  i've used it on a laptop i couldn't repartition.
[21:34] <Kidfork> guardo: what do you mean you couldn't repartitio
[21:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've a question
[21:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm really excited about switching to xubuntu
[21:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've never tried anything other than windows
[21:35] <gaurdro> I mean,  it wasn't mine to repartition.  I had it through school.
[21:35] <slow-motion> n8
[21:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> in how many years will i be able to master it?
[21:36] <gaurdro>  define "master it"
[21:36] <Kidfork> I see
[21:37] <EverettGM1819> well thanx for helpin
[21:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> understand it
[21:43] <gaurdro> for using it, it shouldn't take more that a few months to get the basics of how things work.  for more advanced stuff,(ie: writing scripts from scratch)  it'll take a fair bit longer.  but that'd be the same for any distribution.
[21:44] <gaurdro> if you want how the inner workings are put together,  that'll be quite a feat for a newbie but i'd say a couple years and you'll have how the pieces fit well enough.  I'm of course taking a blind guess at your computer ability.
[21:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> great!
[22:25] <erna_> ts
[22:29] <gnomefreak> what is xubuntu default sound server? as in something like Pulse Audio
[22:34] <zoredache> i believe it is pulse in hardy
[22:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> will ubuntu become as big as debian?
[22:49] <zoredache> CostaRicanQuaker: what do you mean by 'big'
[22:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> which is free-er and will ubuntu become as free with gobuntu?
[22:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> more existing packages/programmes, community, support
[22:50] <zoredache> i think when it comes to community support ubuntu is winning...  i don't know the package counts, but i would guess ubuntu is pretty close
[22:51] <zoredache> as for being free, argueable debian is more free... but the frequently choose freedom at the cost of usability
[22:53] <microwaver> how can i reset the xubuntu layout in a command?
[22:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do you mean by that?
[22:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> freedom at the cost of usseability
[22:54] <zoredache> CostaRicanQuaker: getting wifi, working in debian is an extreme pain... getting the 3d features of a video card is painful....
[22:54] <zoredache> there is no official support for non-free codecs mp3,wma,dvd,etc....
[22:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> so there's more support for allprogrammes in general in ubuntu?
[22:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> zoredache: would you recomend xubuntu over kubuntu for an old laptop that might need to ocnect to wifi?
[22:59] <microwaver> resetapplets
[22:59] <zoredache> I personally dislike kde a lot so my answer is going to be heavily biased.  Hardware support should be the same in xubuntu vs kubuntu
[22:59] <microwaver> !resetapplets
[22:59] <ubott2> Factoid resetapplets not found
[23:00] <zoredache> xubuntu tends to be a more lightweight enviroment and will run a bit better on older systems
[23:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> what advantages does ubuntu have over mandriva? i just called my girl to tell her to telll this dude to just back up
[23:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> her computer
[23:02] <Lectus> Xubuntu is nice for older PCs. It used to run better than Win98 on my old celeron 700mhz.
[23:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> and not let him install mandriva
[23:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> as i preffer ubuntu
[23:02] <Lectus> XFCE desktop + ubuntu base is best combo for fast/easy to use experience.
[23:03] <zoredache> I am not familiar with madriva.  I don't know what default packages are there...
[23:04] <zoredache> I do know I strongly dislike RPM.  Mostly because of lots of issues I had in the past that have since been corrected
[23:04] <Lectus> IMHO (K/X)ubuntu best advantage over Mandriva is apt. It's the best package manager. Plus, the community is big and friendly.
[23:04] <Odd-rationale> CostaRicanQuaker: http://polishlinux.org/choose/comparison/?distro1=Ubuntu&distro2=Mandriva
[23:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> thank you
[23:05] <Odd-rationale> i'd go with fedora before going with mandriva...
[23:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok so basically support and Advanced package terminal
[23:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> tool*
[23:08] <Lectus> ubuntu is easier to use IMHO
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> imo, debian is a better base than redhat...
[23:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> yet kubuntu is more practical than debian as it has support for all kinds of programmes not just open source and free
[23:09] <Lectus> yep... I agree. My favorites distros are: ubuntu, debian and arch linux. Going from easier to harder to use, but all these have good base system.
[23:10] <Odd-rationale> my favorites are arch linux, ubuntu, and puppy linux. in that order.
[23:11] <Lectus> (k/x)ubuntu is like a easier debian with nicer support and 3 differente flavors of desktop to choose from already done. And they ship free CDs (big plus).
[23:11] <Odd-rationale> pacman > apt; abs > bsd port system :)
[23:11] <Lectus> and more up-to-date packages too
[23:12] <Odd-rationale> Lectus: have you tried sidux?
[23:12] <Lectus> nope
[23:12] <Odd-rationale> me neither... :|
[23:14] <Lectus> I'm just trying xubuntu 8.04. They made huge improvement in user interface. It almost feels like gnome and has a nice theme too. But is faster and lighter. XFCE rocks. I might begin using it again. :P
[23:15] <Odd-rationale> Lectus: yeah. xubuntu 8.04 is a great improvement
[23:18] <jarnos> Odd-rationale: Compared to 7.10?
[23:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> back later cheers and ythanks for advice
[23:20] <jarnos> How do you know what for a removable device is busy? (Knowing that would make it easier to make it less busy.)
[23:37] <TheSheep> jarnos: "busy" means that at least one program has opened at least one file from at least one partition that is mounted from that device
[23:39] <jarnos> TheSheep: Yes, but I would like to determine that program.
[23:40] <jarnos> jarnos: Maybe fuser can be used?
[23:45] <jarnos> TheSheep: The problem is I can't unmount /dev/sdb1 even if, according to fuser, no process is using /dev/sdb1.
[23:46] <jarnos> The_Kernel: oh, I had to use the mount point as parameter.
[23:47] <jarnos> The_Kernel: Sorry, I meant TheSheep
[23:48] <jarnos> Thunar is preventing me from unmounting a removable drive even if I have closed all thunar windows.
[23:48] <TheSheep> jarnos: probably some thumbnailer is still running
[23:50] <jarnos> TheSheep: I doubt.
[23:53] <jarnos> TheSheep: The drive has already stopped spinning.
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> jarnos: yeah. cosmetic wise... esp.
[23:58] <TheSheep> jarnos: some thumnailer will ust hang -- not all of them are well written
[23:59] <jarnos> TheSheep: So what can I do to make it stop?
[23:59] <jarnos> jarnos: just kill thunar?
[23:59] <TheSheep> look through ps x and kill it
[23:59] <TheSheep> with -9 probably