/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/01/#kubuntu-devel.txt

maltedikhow long does a complete qt+kde-compile take approximatly on a 3 GHz machine?00:33
maltediknetto00:33
stdina long time00:34
maltedikthatd be days!00:35
maltedik;900:35
maltedikarrr. i meant qt+kdebase!00:36
stdinprobably around 5 hours at a guess00:40
maltedikthx00:42
sebasmaltedik: 3 hours in total, maybe?01:26
sebasThat's if you also build kdelibs and kdepimlibs01:26
maltediktoo long to stay awake till its finished. thats all i had to know...01:31
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maltedikfuckfuckfuck! why did i stay up? whyyyy?03:04
mouzapachelogger: if you've been thinking about a next task for me i'd like to know. I can also pick out something nice myself, but chances are there it will be less useful for a bigger picture (assuming such a thing exists).07:15
* Riddell whistles a good morning tune10:00
Tm_T:)10:05
Tm_TRiddell: it is, comrade, it is10:05
Xand3rhey ho10:20
Riddellhi Xand3r10:35
Xand3ri have a question, qutim is uploaded now, when will it be build?10:36
RiddellXand3r: it's in new, it'll need to be approved by an archive admin10:39
Riddellthen it'll build in a few hours10:39
Riddellthen its binaries need to be approved by an archive admin10:40
Riddellthen it's done10:40
Xand3rok, much time will go10:40
apacheloggermouz: there is no less useful task in packaging ;-) I'd recommend you search another application to package with debhelper10:40
RiddellXand3r: it's my archive admin day today, things usually get done when I'm on duty :)10:41
Xand3r:)10:42
apachelogger:D10:43
* apachelogger hands Riddell a cookie10:43
Riddellsmarter: W: webkitkde: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libwebkitkde.so.1.0.0 usr/lib/libwebkitkde.so11:48
Riddellprobably the .so and .h files are best just removed for now until something needs them11:49
smarterRiddell: ok12:00
nixternalgood mornin'12:06
apacheloggeroh12:11
apacheloggershiny new project page for ubuntu :D12:12
apacheloggergmorning nixternal12:12
Riddellapachelogger: where's that?12:12
apacheloggerRiddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu12:12
Riddellbling bling12:13
Riddelldu -h /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/*/amarok/ --total  hmm12:15
Riddellmight be worth splitting that out12:15
apacheloggerack12:15
apacheloggeractually I asked the translators to compress their images... apparently they never got round to do that :|12:16
* nixternal sets up pbuilder on the work lappy - time to get some work done around here!12:33
* nixternal just realized he fired of DIST=hardy12:33
nixternaloff12:33
Jucatosmart :)12:33
nixternaltis ok, I will fire off intrepid now :)12:34
nixternalRiddell: gotta list of work to do? I need something to do today while I am hiding away at work :)12:34
Riddellnixternal: able to test CDs?12:35
nixternalya, I should be able to do that12:35
nixternalI will use the ultra fast pipe at work and down them all :)12:35
Riddellnixternal: hardy.1 could do with someone checking it actually works http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/12:36
nixternalroger that...any merges or bug fixes needing work?12:36
nixternalI need to check for a KDE 4 kvkbd, add that to my todo list12:37
Riddellwe should probably replace koffice with koffice 212:37
nixternalwhat are we going to do about kmilo with kde4?12:37
nixternalI would love for all of my keys to work12:38
Riddellwe need to rescue the keyboard mappings that kde 3 had, then make sure kmix/amarok/guidance-power-manager listens to them all12:38
nixternalwhat file(s) are the mappings located again so I don't have to search like crazy12:39
nixternalI used to remember where they were so I could tweak them for my kb12:39
Riddellkdeutils somewhere12:41
Riddellnot sure where we want to add it now, something in kdebase would do12:42
nixternaltrue12:42
Riddellor kubuntu-default-settings12:43
Riddellwhich I havn't touched for intrepid12:44
Riddellso you could tidy up kubuntu-default-settings12:46
nixternalooh fun :)12:46
nixternallike remove the kde3 bits?12:46
Riddellyep12:46
nixternalor update the kde3 bits to reflect kde412:46
Riddellwe did that for hardy12:46
Riddellso just remove the kde 3 bits12:46
Riddelland the mouse12:46
nixternalwho put a mouse in there :P12:47
Riddellcursor12:47
* nixternal heads to work - everyone have a great day!13:02
seeledamnit.. missed Artemis_Fowl again14:43
vorianaloha, why the hate from this http://paste.ubuntu.com/24227/ ?15:21
vorian:)15:21
ScottKMissing build-dep on some qt opengl thing?15:23
vorianlooks like it15:26
voriani thnk it'd be libqt4-opengl-dev15:27
* Xand3r is now working on kgmailnotifier15:32
RiddellXand3r: new version?15:46
Xand3rjep15:47
nixternalRiddell: ISOs, good news or bad news first?15:50
Riddellnixternal: both!15:50
nixternal.1 ISOs15:50
nixternalBad News: I am at work :(15:50
Riddellthat's not unexpected15:51
nixternalGood News: They work! encryption works! live works! daily works! no bugs I came across15:51
vorianScottK: worked :) thanks15:51
ScottKNo problem.15:52
ScottKGlad I could help.15:52
nixternalhere is how stupid RPMs are....you have no idea where they come from just by looking at them15:52
vorianI was missing the obvious15:52
nixternalI am in the process of updating a ton of them, and just by looking at the packaging name, I have no clue if they are from fedora, red hat, centos, or any other rpm repo out there15:53
nixternaltotally ridiculous15:53
Riddellthe same is true of .debs15:53
* nixternal loves x.x-xubuntux or just x.x-x, I know where they come from at least15:53
nixternalRiddell: well we know where Ubuntu pkgs come from, you can't say that about CentOS15:54
nixternalthey either pull from Red Hat, Fedora, or some RPM cest pool15:54
apacheloggerwe don't know where xandros packages come from15:55
nixternalapachelogger: microsoft :P15:55
Riddelllinspire15:55
apacheloggerwells15:55
nixternallinspire is sharing?15:55
apacheloggerin fact we don't know what exactly they are providing like their strange only-with-subscription-music-palyer which is actually amarok15:55
apacheloggernixternal: xandros ate linspire15:55
apacheloggerliterally15:56
nixternalnice15:56
* apachelogger always imagined xandros as some kind of evil shark15:56
apacheloggereating users15:56
nixternal2 of the worst operating systems I have ever tried, next to Windows ME15:56
nixternalgOS is right up there too15:56
apacheloggerhm15:56
apacheloggerwindows me was pretty good!15:56
nixternalwth? you are a horrible comedian15:57
apachelogger-.-15:57
nixternal;p15:57
apacheloggerpfft15:57
nixternalhaha15:57
apacheloggeragain, no taste for the beautiful things :P15:57
nixternalI love it when my boss doesn't show up15:57
Riddell..just so long as he doesn't read irc logs15:57
ScottKXandros was my first Linux distro.  It got me started for the first 6 months until I got tired of the training wheels.15:58
Jucatonixternal: it's like waiting for your teacher in a 1 hour class... and you're told to wait... 45 minutes later, you learn that he won't be coming in :)15:58
nixternalin case anyone is interested, Red Hat is looking for some community people to work for them...once again I had to say no15:58
Hobbseenixternal: i thought you were already working for htem?15:58
nixternalRiddell: hahaha, I am sure he doesn't15:58
nixternalHobbsee: heck no, they tried to rob me of my manhood, I mean Kubuntu :P15:58
apacheloggerhum15:58
Hobbseeheh15:59
* apachelogger wouldn't have a problem with that15:59
Xand3rapachelogger: shuld i build itfor kde3 or kde4?15:59
nixternalapachelogger: you can't work with Kubuntu anymore with one of their community spots15:59
Riddellanyone know an emma? Hobbsee?15:59
apacheloggernixternal: well15:59
apacheloggerkubuntu ain't all that good15:59
nixternalRiddell: yes, she is a spammer15:59
apacheloggerreally, I would trade it in for a job @ MS anytime15:59
nixternalI stuck up for her until she started back up bothering people, especially Hobbsee15:59
HobbseeRiddell: yes, why?16:00
apacheloggerXand3r: you can only build it for the version it was developed for :P16:00
* Hobbsee twitches16:00
nixternalthe name 'emma' alone causes Hobbsee to explode and do nasty things with the stick of doom16:00
RiddellHobbsee: she wants me to lift the ban on this channel16:00
nixternal!hobbsee16:00
ubottuI phear the stick so shhhhh16:00
HobbseeRiddell: tell her that i said no.16:00
\shHobbsee: the emma from -meeting the last time?16:00
Xand3rapachelogger: hmm... could be^^16:00
nixternalbooyah, I knew that one was coming16:00
nixternal\sh: yes16:00
Hobbsee\sh: yeah, that's the one.16:00
* apachelogger didn't see the stick in quite some time16:00
HobbseeRiddell: she's terrible for doing anything productive and staying on topic, so...16:00
apacheloggernothing to phear!16:00
nixternalapachelogger: that's what happens when you use Gnome, it dumbs down the stick16:01
nixternalnow it is the 'pointy stick of gDoom'16:01
apacheloggeryeah16:01
HobbseeRiddell: i'm not sure if you ever saw the part before the tutorials day, but there were technical discussions, and all she could manage to say was "oh, that nixternal seems like a nice man".16:01
apacheloggerstupid stick that is16:01
nixternalHobbsee: she was my stalker?16:01
Hobbseecompletely at random, apart from it being mentioend that nixternal had been working on whatever we were discussing.16:01
\shHobbsee: which is not a lie, or? ,-)16:01
Hobbseenixternal: yeah.16:01
Jucatowhich is a lie!16:01
nixternalhahaha, Jucato you arse :P16:02
Hobbsee\sh: oh, i doubt it's a lie, but it's certainly not helpful or productive to development : P16:02
apacheloggerhm16:02
apachelogger\sh: go revu touchfreeze :P16:02
\shapachelogger: my chroots are updating ;)16:02
HobbseeRiddell: you'll also find that she's very argumentative, and doesn't do what she's told, if she doesn't like it.16:02
apacheloggerchroots don't do updates, they are up-to-date16:03
Hobbseeso, go ahead and decide whether you want a person like that in here.16:03
nixternaluh oh, here comes Nightrose16:03
nixternalat least kopete said so16:03
Nightrosehehe16:03
apacheloggeroh boy16:03
apacheloggermy kopete is b0rked!16:03
\shapachelogger: building now16:03
apacheloggerquite bad actually16:03
\shkopete is borked from top to bottom and vice versa16:03
apacheloggerNightrose: can you please tell the amarok guys to stop flooding my inbox with commits16:03
apacheloggerthat ain't very helpful for my mail cleanup16:04
Nightroseapachelogger: nope sorry :P16:04
\shinstead of forgetting about contacts with unknown transports, no...kopete needs to crash without a reason and a good error message16:04
apachelogger\sh: that will all change once the tapioca stuff is ready16:04
apacheloggertopiaca16:04
apacheloggerwell16:04
\shapachelogger: tapioca? why can't they just use psi ;-)16:04
apacheloggersomething like that16:04
* Hobbsee pokes apachelogger with the pointy end of the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™16:04
apacheloggerjeeez16:04
Nightrosehaha16:05
* apachelogger starts crying16:05
nixternalHobbsee: s/DOOM/gDOOM/ :P16:05
Hobbseehah16:05
NightroseHobbsee: do you ever use the other end?16:05
Nightrose:P16:05
apacheloggernow that ain't fair at all :'-(16:05
Hobbseenixternal: no, it's desktop-agnostic16:05
* Hobbsee pokes Nightrose with the very pointy end of the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™16:05
Nightroserofl16:05
NightroseI see16:05
Nightroseyou do16:05
* apachelogger throws a sonic screwdriver at the LPSogDtm16:05
apacheloggeras said, stupid stick it is!16:06
* apachelogger better gets himself a motu force field16:06
HobbseeNightrose: yup.  apachelogger was lucky - he only got the pointy end.16:06
Nightrose;-)16:06
* Hobbsee catches hte sonic screwdriver. neat! this should come in handy!16:07
apacheloggernow that was one long flight :P16:07
apacheloggerhum16:09
apacheloggeradd ideas to bug 23837016:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 238370 in soyuz "Support 'external' launchpad-buildds" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23837016:10
apacheloggersuper important bug16:10
Hobbseefail.16:10
apacheloggermake that ubersuper important16:10
Hobbseeapachelogger: hwo do you get around the problem of ensuring that the build environment is the same, everywhere, and has not been tampered with?16:11
apacheloggerI have no idea16:12
Hobbseeuntil someone comes up wiht a good solution to that problem, it won't get done.16:12
apacheloggerthat's the reason I asked for ideas :P16:12
Hobbseeyou asked for ideas?  i thought you just said it was importatn.16:13
apacheloggerthe bug is important, that's why one should add ideas :P16:13
Xand3r^^16:14
\shapachelogger: done16:14
Nightrosenot sure but i think fedora has something like that if I understood correctly16:15
Nightrosemight be worth looking into how they do it16:15
Hobbseei didn't think they even attempted to address the issues about the rpm's being trusted or not?16:15
Nightrosedunno16:15
\shapachelogger: please upload xml-commons-external too :)16:18
apachelogger\sh: k16:19
apacheloggerRiddell: touchfreeze waiting in new :)16:30
Xand3rapachelogger: have you got some time for me?16:59
Xand3rmay be some one else could help me, i have this lintian warning "binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/kgmailnotifier /usr/lib"17:01
Xand3ri dont undertand the report of lintian.debian17:01
Xand3rso i dont know what to do17:01
RiddellXand3r: ignore it17:02
Xand3rRiddell: ?17:02
Xand3rok17:02
Xand3ri do17:02
Riddellit's something debian worries about, but it's not actually a problem17:02
Xand3rok, apachelogger 20min than i have possibly the package finished17:03
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Riddellvorian: poke bug 24105217:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 241052 in sane-backends-extras "Please sync sane-backends-extras 1.0.19.7 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24105217:13
Riddellvorian: also bug 24104117:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 241041 in xen-tools "Please sync xen-tools 3.9-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24104117:16
vorianRiddell: ouch!17:28
vorian:)17:28
RiddellScottK: bug 235289 has gutsy and hardy, which did you approve?17:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 235289 in hardy-backports "Please backport BitPim 1.0.5 from Intrepid" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23528917:33
* ScottK looks17:35
Xand3rapachelogger: the extended copyright tooked some time, i doing the final build now, after it i will put it on revu17:35
ScottKRiddell: Hardy17:35
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/snapshot3.png17:36
apacheloggeropinions?17:36
Riddellapachelogger: bling17:41
Riddellwhat it's for?17:41
RiddellScottK: hmm well, backport-source is broken anyway17:42
apacheloggerfirefox icon set17:42
ScottKUrgh.17:42
yuriyapachelogger: nice. are there more?17:43
apacheloggeryuriy: that's just the blingy graphic for addons.mozilla.org17:44
jussi01can anyone confirm bug 244601 for me?17:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 244601 in koffice2 "koffice-kde4 crashes on saving "word" format" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24460117:46
vorianapachelogger: i got finnaly had time to fix k9copy, it's on revu when/if you have time.17:46
Xand3rso now on revu kgmailnotifier http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kgmailnotifier17:51
* apachelogger adds revuing to his todo17:51
vorianpoor apachelogger :(17:59
gribeluno ktorrent 3.1 in hardy? :|18:10
voriangribelu: nope18:11
vorianif bug 234514 gets fininshed, we can backport it18:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 234514 in ktorrent-kde4 "New Upstream + package merge ktorrent 3.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23451418:12
gribelufinal version is out.. :)18:12
gribelustill rc1 in intrepid18:12
vorianyep18:12
vorianright18:12
gribeluoh damned quassel is so weird with urls18:13
vorianif you want to test it, i have it in my ppa for intrepid18:13
gribeluhmm wonder if it'll work under hardy.. the rc1 deb didn't18:13
gribeluvorian on launchpad?18:13
vorianyep18:14
vorianhttp://ppa.launchpad.net/vorian/ubuntu/pool/main/k/ktorrent/18:14
gribeluvorian: works under hardy :D thanks18:17
gribeluhmm yeah just like rc1 .. crashes when i right click a torrent18:18
vorianhmmm18:20
gribelumaybe it's because hardy isn't intrepid .. who knows18:21
gribelusome weird stuff.. "configure toolbars" shows no 'actions' at all... no plugins under plugins. This stuff working under intrepid?18:23
vorianyes18:24
gribeluoh well.. i'm waiting for some new parts and then i'll switch to intrepid 64bit.. can't wait :)18:25
vorian:)18:25
Nightroseapachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/24462818:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 244628 in amarok "amarok-common conflict with amarok" [Undecided,New]18:46
apacheloggermeh18:46
* apachelogger adds to todo18:46
apacheloggerthough18:46
apacheloggerNightrose: you could fix that ;-)18:46
Nightrosenah my todo list is full already18:47
Nightrose:P18:47
Nightroseat least fr the next 5 days18:47
* Nightrose gets food18:47
apacheloggerhttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/796219:06
apacheloggerplease test and provide reviews on that page19:06
yuriyoh fun, my panel in 4.1 is now only appearing on 1 desktop19:07
smarterapachelogger: it requires login...19:08
apacheloggeryes, get one :P19:08
smarterapachelogger: looks great19:10
smarterbut wouldn't it be better to fix firefox icons detection?19:10
apacheloggerhehe19:11
apacheloggerthat is like "fix gtk"19:11
apachelogger:P19:11
apacheloggerwhich would actually fix the icon detection as well, as most icons are actually provided through gtk19:11
smarteror rewrite firefox in Qt :p19:11
smarteranyway, back to konqueror19:12
apacheloggersmarter: IIRC someone is working on that ... again ...19:13
smartero rly?19:13
smarterapachelogger: like duke nukem forever? (:19:14
yuriyapachelogger: well.. it works19:14
apacheloggeryuriy: please provide a review19:14
* apachelogger needs reviews to get it out of that experimental thingy19:14
apacheloggersmarter: http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt/19:14
apacheloggersmarter: I think KDE/suse dirk also once wanted to work on that stuff, but never got an account in the mozilla cvs19:15
Xand3rapachelogger: have you revied my package?19:19
Xand3r*reviewed19:19
apacheloggerno19:20
apacheloggerfirst I have to buy some blue pills19:20
apacheloggerjust got one awesome offer19:20
apacheloggerXand3r: thest the firefox theme and write a review for it19:21
Xand3ri using it since you geved me it19:21
Xand3ris there an update?19:22
apacheloggeroh boy19:22
apacheloggerXand3r: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/796219:22
apacheloggeryou should really read backlog :P19:22
claydohapachelogger: reviewed for you, very nice, looks nice on kde3 as well19:22
apacheloggerclaydoh: thank you :)19:22
Xand3rapachelogger: i installt the theme new, cause i wantet to test everything, but i cant install the theme vie the homepage19:33
apacheloggerXand3r: you have to login19:33
Xand3rsure19:33
apacheloggerbut since you need to provide a review anyway ... :P19:33
Arbyapachelogger: added another review to the firefox add on19:34
Xand3rand then after the dowload ther error comes19:34
apacheloggerArby: thank you very much :)19:34
Xand3rapachelogger: what i have to say; cant install it caus i have an unexpextet error19:34
apacheloggerXand3r: well, which error?19:34
apacheloggerunexpected :D19:34
apacheloggeruhh, firefox errors are even better than kopete crashes19:35
Xand3rall the same^^19:35
Xand3rError: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80520015 (NS_ERROR_FILE_ACCESS_DENIED) [nsIFile.moveTo]"  nsresult: "0x80520015 (NS_ERROR_FILE_ACCESS_DENIED)"  location: "JS frame :: file:///usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/components/nsExtensionManager.js :: moveFile :: line 1802"  data: no]19:35
Xand3rSource File: file:///usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/components/nsExtensionManager.js19:35
Xand3rLine: 180219:35
Xand3rups19:35
Xand3rsorry thought it was just a line19:35
apacheloggerhm19:36
apacheloggerXand3r: sudo chown -R YOURUSER:YOURUSER /home/YOURUSER/.mozilla19:36
Xand3rwhat does this comand do?19:37
smartermake you proprietary of ~/.mozilla19:37
smarter*proprietor even19:38
apacheloggerowner :P19:39
\shapachelogger: can you try to reproduce this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/244548 with kde 4.1beta2 on harsy?19:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 244548 in leonov "Crash when use Backspace in Launchpad Auth Dialog" [Undecided,New]19:40
\shaeh hardy?19:40
apachelogger\sh: happens for the mail box as well19:41
apacheloggerintrepid though19:41
\shapachelogger: what mailbox?19:41
apacheloggerthe mail address textbox19:42
\shapachelogger: and on hardy?19:42
* apachelogger has no hardy, but I think it happend there as well19:43
Xand3rapachelogger: i have reviewd it19:44
* \sh can't reproduce that19:44
Xand3rdamn my english is worse today19:44
apacheloggerXand3r: mille grazie19:46
apachelogger\sh: you have to type something19:47
apacheloggerthen backspace it19:47
Xand3ri want to compile gtk-qt-engine-kde4 by my self,  but i get much compilig errors, i think the source is on mistake, here the log http://paste.ubuntu.com/24284/19:47
\shapachelogger: works :)19:48
apachelogger\sh: I can make a screencast if you want ;-)19:49
\shapachelogger: please .)19:49
smarterXand3r: are you using intrepid?19:50
Xand3rsmarter: no hardy19:50
* apachelogger is wondering which dbg package to install19:50
apachelogger\sh: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/leonov-flatlined.ogg19:52
\shXand3r: the only bug is here: /home/alexander/gtk-qt-engine-kde4-1.1/src/qt_theme_draw.c:119: error: implicit declaration of function ‘abs’19:52
apacheloggerhm19:53
apacheloggerund ich dachte abs wäre was gutes :P19:53
Xand3rhmmm19:53
Xand3r\sh: what i have to do?19:53
\shXand3r: fix it :)19:54
Xand3rpatching the source?!19:54
\shapachelogger: sucker...Backspace != CTRL+Backspace19:54
\shapachelogger: oh wonder oh wonder19:54
apacheloggeruhm19:54
apachelogger\sh: works with backspace-only for me19:55
\shlol19:55
\shfor me it crashes only with ctrl+backspace19:55
apacheloggerhm19:55
apacheloggermaybe only people with a cool keyboard get the backspace feature :P19:55
Xand3rno rather i have an ugly firfox19:55
smarterXand3r: but why do you want to compile it yourself?19:56
Xand3ri have kde-nightly19:56
\shapachelogger: what I did...typeing ctrl+backspace touching one key more ==> crash19:56
apacheloggerXand3r: wrong channel then :P19:56
Xand3rjo^^19:57
apachelogger\sh: I did ... typing -> backspace -> crash19:57
* \sh sucks his thumb....19:57
* \sh <--- brainfcked19:57
smarterXand3r: apt-get source gtk-qt-engine-kde4, change /usr/lib/kde4/* path to /opt/kde-nightly, rebuild19:57
* \sh tries to find someone who can fix kde19:58
apacheloggerRiddell: gwenview is missing in the current intrepid seed19:58
Xand3rsmarter: funny for building it i have to compile it19:58
apachelogger\sh: that is like "fix gtk" :P19:58
apacheloggeruh19:58
apacheloggerI made that joke already19:58
apacheloggerdamn19:58
* apachelogger prepares for revuing19:58
\shapachelogger: not so much like "fix gtk"....19:58
Xand3rforget everything i said about gtk-qt-engine-kde420:00
apacheloggeromg20:06
apacheloggerthis debdiff is gigantic20:06
Xand3rapachelogger: which?20:06
apacheloggeryours20:06
Xand3rofcours20:06
Xand3reverything changed20:07
apacheloggerXand3r: I'll throw the stuff that needs fixing at you20:07
apacheloggertry to find out what is wrong20:07
Xand3rfixing? what?20:07
apacheloggerthe things I don't like20:08
Xand3rfrom my package, or other things you dont like?20:08
Xand3rhere an other comiling error http://paste.ubuntu.com/24293/20:09
apacheloggerXand3r: +XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Alexander Kopf <kopf-alexander@gmx.de>20:10
apacheloggerI hope you know the stuff that comes with that change20:10
Xand3rgnaa20:10
Xand3rits a totaly new20:10
Xand3rpackage20:10
apacheloggerwell20:12
apacheloggercan't be20:12
apacheloggerwe have the package in ubuntu20:12
\shapachelogger: pykde4 from bindings is bugging us...with a simple qlineedit it works perfectly20:12
apacheloggerXand3r: besides, you wouldn't be using the initial changelog entry from me then20:12
apachelogger\sh: b0rked, totally b0rked20:12
Xand3rapachelogger: ok, i change it, sorry20:12
apacheloggerif that doesn't change until 4.1.0 I will have to go insane20:12
apacheloggerXand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24295/20:13
apacheloggerXand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24296/20:16
\shbah20:17
Xand3rapachelogger: there is a new line at the end of the man20:18
apacheloggerexactly20:18
apacheloggerXand3r: look closyl20:19
apachelogger*closly20:19
apacheloggerhm20:19
* \sh bangs his head on the desk....and he needs a sledgehammer to make it better20:19
apacheloggerthat still looks wrong20:19
apacheloggerXand3r: look precisely20:19
apacheloggersomething like that20:19
\shNEVER TRUST A POINTER20:19
_gunni_Does somebody know if ICQ is in the work for Kopete, as its broken for ICQ protocol change since today?20:20
apacheloggerOo20:21
apacheloggermeh20:21
apachelogger*headdesk*20:21
apacheloggerRiddell: is someone already working on that?20:21
apacheloggerXand3r: did you fix everything but copyright?20:21
Nightrose_gunni_: according to #kde-devel they are on it20:22
\shNEVER USE ICQ ! ;)20:22
Xand3rapachelogger: no20:22
apacheloggericq is tha devil20:22
Nightrosethey only need to upload a file to their server if i understood correctly20:22
apacheloggerXand3r: poke me when you are20:22
Xand3rjo+20:22
_gunni_I mostly use jabber, but some friends out there have icq :(20:22
\sh_gunni_: they are no friends when they use something else then jabber ,-)20:22
Nightrose_gunni_: go ask in #kopete please and report here ;-)20:22
* apachelogger agrees with \sh20:23
_gunni_\sh: Thats a good thought :)20:23
claydohkopete-kde4 works for icq, if you need somethig for now20:24
_gunni_Nightrose: Seems that here is a fix for that: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165502#c2620:24
ubottuKDE bug 165502 in ICQ and AIM Plugins "ICQ doesn't connect (Client to old)" [Major,New]20:24
_gunni_I will just check thtat20:25
apachelogger_gunni_: please tell someone in #kopete about http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165502#c4220:26
ubottuKDE bug 165502 in ICQ and AIM Plugins "ICQ doesn't connect (Client to old)" [Major,New]20:26
apacheloggerthat should solve the problem I guess20:26
_gunni_apachelogger: Its in the topic there :)20:26
apachelogger_gunni_: I mean comment #4220:27
_gunni_Ah, i will check that20:27
Xand3rapachelogger: what is bad withe the Build-Depends20:28
apacheloggerautomake depends on autoconf20:28
Xand3rapachelogger: all done what you geve to me20:31
apacheloggerXand3r: please have a close look at the files in admin20:31
apacheloggerthere are 2 very important special cases in these files20:32
Xand3ruff ok20:32
Xand3ron what i have to focus?20:33
apacheloggerthe 2 things that belong into debian/copyright20:33
apacheloggeractually only one of the 2 things :P20:33
Xand3rok20:36
Xand3rthere ar mor then 2 that belongs in the copyright20:38
Xand3rand i think i have oll in there20:38
Xand3rapachelogger: i realy dont know what i have to do20:40
apacheloggerI said things20:40
apacheloggernot files20:40
apacheloggercopyright & license20:40
Xand3ryea20:40
apacheloggerand one of them is quite missing in your debian/copyright20:40
Xand3rmissing?!20:40
Xand3rno missed20:42
* vorian whispers lgpl20:43
* apachelogger didn't hear that20:43
txwikingeryeah.. even lintian finds that20:44
Xand3r?!20:44
txwikingerthe missing thing20:44
apacheloggerwell20:44
apacheloggeranother thing is missing as well20:45
Xand3rgnaaa my lintian is saing nothing20:45
txwikingerrun it against the I386.changes20:46
apacheloggeroh boy20:46
txwikingeror something like that20:46
apacheloggerXand3r: grep the admin dir for general public license20:46
apacheloggermake that library/lesser20:46
apacheloggerhm20:46
txwikingerhm?20:46
apacheloggerI downloaded k9copy 30 minutes ago20:46
vorianeek20:47
apacheloggerand didn't even have time to unpack it20:47
apacheloggermeh20:47
* txwikinger did not have any time to do anything constuctive today20:47
apacheloggervorian: please ask upstream to use proper tarball names20:48
apacheloggerk9copy: Newer version (2.0.2-Source) available on remote site:20:48
apachelogger  http://qa.debian.org/watch/sf.php/k9copy/k9copy-2.0.2-Source.tar.gz20:48
apachelogger  (local version is 2.0.2)20:48
* txwikinger looks for some neglected bugs and packages20:48
Xand3rok last time i igbored LGPL cause i thought its a part of a GPL20:48
apacheloggeruh20:48
apacheloggerheartattack :P20:48
apacheloggerXand3r: LGPL != GPL20:48
apacheloggernot at all20:48
apacheloggernot even partly20:48
txwikingerwell.. one is compatible to the other20:48
Xand3rok20:48
txwikingerIIRC20:48
vorianapachelogger: they are non-responsive at best20:49
apacheloggergod in heaven20:49
txwikingerwho is non-responsive?20:49
apacheloggertell the rms guy (lpgl is part of a gpl)20:49
apacheloggerand he will eat you20:49
apacheloggerliterally20:49
* apachelogger is afraid :P20:49
apacheloggeranyway20:49
* txwikinger wonders if he needs to call the medics20:50
apacheloggerXand3r: lgpl allows linking against closed source, gpl doesn't20:50
Xand3rhow could i knew that?20:50
apacheloggerright20:50
apacheloggeryou couldn't20:50
apacheloggerthat is why I am now telling you to read both licenses20:50
Xand3rbut gpl allows linking to gpl?20:50
apacheloggercompletely20:50
apacheloggerXand3r: well, gpl and a couple of others20:50
Xand3ri mean to lgpl20:50
txwikingerbut you can combine gpl and lgpl and publish it under gpl20:50
_gunni_So kopete is working again for ICQ after restarting kopete, just for whom it may concern20:50
apacheloggerXand3r: yes20:50
apacheloggertxwikinger: publishing ain't worth anything20:51
vorianlicenses are the most FUNNEST part of packaging \o/20:51
apacheloggerif you license something with lgpl it's lpgl20:51
apacheloggerno matter what20:51
txwikingerdistribute then20:51
apacheloggervorian: that's the right attitude20:51
* apachelogger hands vorian a cookie20:51
Xand3rvorian: ??20:51
Xand3rthe thing i hate most are the desiptions and the copyright20:52
apacheloggertxwikinger: not even that, the indivdiual source parts would still be lgpl/gpl20:52
vorianXand3r: you will learn to appreciate them20:52
txwikingerwell ok.. that is also possible20:52
apacheloggerXand3r: dood, you need to get tha feeling20:52
apacheloggeranyway20:52
apacheloggerback to the topic20:52
Xand3rok20:52
apacheloggerXand3r: I really suggest reading some of the more common licenses20:52
apacheloggergpl, lgpl, gfdl, bsd20:52
apacheloggergood good-night-read actually20:53
apacheloggerXand3r: as for the admin directory20:53
apacheloggeryou have one file with LGPL20:53
apacheloggerand one which is20:53
apacheloggerfree20:53
apacheloggeras in completely20:53
apachelogger  "This is really free software, unencumbered by the GPL.20:53
apachelogger   You can do anything you like with it except sueing me."20:53
* txwikinger wonders of apachelogger wants Xand3r to fall asleep20:53
vorianyou can find them in /usr/share/common-licenses/(license of your choosing)  ;)20:53
apacheloggertxwikinger: hum, he's a padawan of mine :P20:54
txwikingerwhat is a padawan?20:54
* txwikinger looks up the dictionary20:54
Xand3rapachelogger: there are two LGPL files20:54
vorianlol20:54
apacheloggeroh boy20:54
apacheloggerXand3r: true20:54
smartertxwikinger: nether seen/heard about starwars?20:55
apacheloggerbut the free free one is unique20:55
apacheloggeranyway20:55
* smarter needs some packaging advices20:55
apacheloggerto close that topic now20:55
apacheloggerXand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24309/20:55
smarterI'm trying to package edyuk20:55
apacheloggerinstead of listing all the stuff you can just use that thingy20:55
txwikingersmarter: yes, in my youth.. and that is very long ago20:55
smarter(yet another Qt4 IDE)20:55
smarter(http://edyuk.org)20:55
apacheloggerXand3r: we made that up when KDE 3 was still usable and I way younger, so you don't really need to remember that stuff ... in case you stumble upon another kde3 app you can just look it up again in $kde3 package ;-)20:56
apacheloggersmarter: better review monkeystudio first20:57
* apachelogger is not feeling like doing that withing the next few days20:57
Xand3rapachelogger: ??20:57
apacheloggerXand3r: kopier das zeug das ich gepastet habe und merk dir, dass kde 3 software mit so nem admin verzeichnis dieses spezille zeugs braucht20:58
Xand3rok, danke20:58
Xand3rapachelogger: hinzufügen nicht ersetzen oder?20:58
apacheloggerersetzen20:58
apacheloggerXand3r: die aufzählung die du hast20:58
smarterThe devs use some external libraries, which are not really "extern" since the same people develop them, so they're provided in edyuk's tarballs, but some of them are also released separetely20:59
apacheloggerXand3r: komplett sollte das dann so in etwa aussehen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24310/20:59
Xand3rach ich hab noch ein copyright für die man rein gemacht20:59
apacheloggeraye20:59
apacheloggerXand3r: another thing20:59
Xand3rok21:00
Riddellapachelogger: I know nothing about ICQ21:00
apacheloggerany gnu license requires a complete copy of the license to be shipped with the source21:00
apacheloggernamely lgpl, gpl and gfdl21:00
smarterSo I was wondering if I should make multiple source packages, and patch edyuk's buildsystem to use the system-wide libs(might be hard)21:00
apacheloggerXand3r: please ensure gpl and lgpl are present21:00
Xand3rok21:00
smarterOr make lots of binary packages with the same source package(edyuk)21:00
apacheloggerRiddell: well, I think kopete already fixed that with some magic :)21:01
Riddellapachelogger: in KDE 3?21:01
smarterapachelogger: Könntest du bitte mir helfen?21:01
Xand3rapachelogger: mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/24311/21:01
apacheloggersec21:01
smarterpoor apachelogger, everybody's needing him ;)21:02
apacheloggerRiddell: well, I guess it effects kde4 as well... but apparently kopete already includes a feature providing updated defintions from http://kopete.kde.org/oscarversions.xml ... they just did forget about that feature21:02
apacheloggersmarter: ask upstream to release them seperate, otherwise go with whatever seems more logical to you in terms of maintainability21:02
apacheloggerXand3r: Copyright:21:03
apachelogger  (C) 2007 Marcel Hasler <mahasler@gmail.com>21:03
Xand3rgnaa21:03
Xand3r  Copyright (C) 2007 Marcel Hasler <mahasler@gmail.com>21:04
apacheloggerno21:04
Xand3rright?21:04
apacheloggerwell, yes, but not complete21:04
apacheloggerhm21:04
apacheloggervorian: I already opened the debian/* files ;-)21:05
apacheloggeraber ich doch nicht21:05
apacheloggerhrrhrr21:05
apacheloggerbug #22790621:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227906 in ubuntu "(ITP) K9copy for KDE 4" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22790621:06
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apacheloggerhm21:06
apacheloggervorian: I think ITP is no official ubuntu abbreviation :P21:07
apacheloggervorian: you should preserve the existing package's changelog https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k9copy21:08
vorian:D21:09
vorianapachelogger: alrighty, i can do that21:09
Xand3rapachelogger: i dont know what is wrong21:09
apacheloggerXand3r: how about 2007-2008?21:10
apacheloggervorian: standards-version is 3.8.0 nowadays21:10
vorianwerd,21:10
Xand3rapachelogger: ok thx, i didnt know how to handel it with the old and the new time21:11
apacheloggervorian: the short description is a bit long, I'd go with the old one21:11
apacheloggerXand3r: 2007, 2008 is also a possability21:12
Xand3rkk21:12
voriangotcha21:12
apacheloggervorian: manpage missing, please "lend" the one from the old package or write a new one ;-)21:13
* apachelogger testbuilds21:14
voriandockbook ftw21:14
vorianapachelogger: it's in me ppa for buidtesting etc...21:14
apacheloggervorian: it would very cool if you could cleanup the copyright a bit21:17
apacheloggerlike "the files x\n z\n y\n are copyrighted by ... "21:17
voriansure21:17
apacheloggervorian: btw, I need to test a bit more than just plain building, so ppa ain't much help :)21:18
vorian:)21:18
Xand3rapachelogger: new is online21:19
vorianapachelogger: as for the copyright, you mean clean up as in "get rid of"?21:29
apacheloggervorian: well, just conflate the entries21:30
apacheloggerjohn is holding copyright (c) 2008 on21:31
apacheloggerfoo.cpp21:31
apacheloggerfoo.h21:31
apacheloggerbar.cpp21:31
apacheloggerfoo.h21:31
apacheloggeretc.21:31
apacheloggeror by files21:31
apacheloggerfoo.cpp21:31
apacheloggerfoo.h21:31
apacheloggerbar.cpp21:31
apacheloggerare copyrighted (c) 2008 by john21:31
voriangotcha21:31
vorianthanks :)21:32
apacheloggervorian:21:52
apacheloggerW: k9copy: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/k9copy21:52
apacheloggerW: k9copy: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/k9play21:52
apacheloggerW: k9copy: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/k9xineplayer21:52
apacheloggerW: k9copy: desktop-entry-contains-unknown-key /usr/share/applications/kde4/k9copy.desktop:12 MimeTypes21:52
apacheloggervorian: looks good otherwise21:52
vorianjust finishing up21:53
voriancrap21:55
voriani have to write 2 manpages :/21:55
* apachelogger hands vorian a couple of cookies22:00
Xand3rapachelogger: look, my rules for gtk-qt-kdenightly http://paste.ubuntu.com/24334/22:22
Xand3rnothing changed22:23
apacheloggerpardon?22:23
Xand3rthe question is, have i stet the var in the right way?22:24
apacheloggerlooks like it22:25
Xand3ror an common-configure-impl::22:25
Xand3rabove?22:25
Xand3rlike http://paste.ubuntu.com/24338/22:26
Xand3rno dont work22:28
apacheloggerwell22:28
apacheloggerpath, ld_lib22:28
Xand3rok22:28
Xand3rapachelogger: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not used in cmak.mk and kde.mk22:32
Xand3rwhy seting it?22:32
* apachelogger does the google dance22:32
Xand3rokok22:32
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Riddellhardy.1 candidates need testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/daily{-live}23:12
Riddellhmm, kubuntu-kde4/hardy/daily/20080701.1 is oversized23:35
neversfeldehow much?23:38
Riddell4MB23:39
neversfeldemhh23:44
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