[00:00] <estan> i've tried cleaning out my /var/lib/apt/cache/archives/*.deb and have it refetch everything, still same :/
[00:05] <EagleScreen> maltedik is it not possible take an error fro msome log file o something???
[00:08] <maltedik> EagleScreen: /var/log/syslog or the command "dmesg" might help
[00:14] <WindowSmasher> Any help setting up dual monitors with ATI?
[00:17] <WindowSmasher> ﻿Any help setting up dual monitors with ATI?
[00:24] <WindowSmasher> ﻿Kubuntu 8.04, ati graphics driver, dual dell monitors, clone only. I can't get it to extend the desktop. Please assist
[00:29] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  When I use Gimp it doesn't detect my scanner.  It didn't have this behavior before (not since I upgraded to Hardy).  The same happens in Kooka.
[00:43] <aleida> ciao, vorrei iscrivermi a questo canale, come devo fare per registrarmi?
[00:43] <stdin> !it | aleida
[00:43] <ubott2> aleida: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[00:44] <aleida> sorry
[00:44] <aleida> thanks
[00:48] <jimmy51_home> in the monodevelop package in the repository current?  (v1.0)
[00:49] <jimmy51_home> !monodevelop
[00:49] <ubott2> Factoid monodevelop not found
[00:50] <MachinTrucChose> Hi. Anyone here use multiple accounts on their computer?
[00:50] <estan> i don't get it, when i search at packages.ubuntu.com, it says that the package mysql-client-5.0 is supposed to contain /usr/bin/mysqladmin, but it doesn't. i have it installed and i have no /usr/bin/mysqladmin, and dpkg -l mysql-client-5.0 says it's not in that package.
[00:51] <estan> is there anywhere else i can search for contents of packages except package.ubuntu.com?
[00:51] <estan> err. dpkg -L i mean.
[00:59] <kronoman> hello
[00:59] <kronoman> any translator app for kubuntu?
[00:59] <kronoman> you know, i.e from english to spanish, something like google trans
[01:11] <tuxwulf> Which is the latest stable? 8.10, right?
[01:13] <Dragnslcr> 8.04
[01:14] <Dragnslcr> 8.10 will be released in August (hence the 10)
[01:14] <Dragnslcr> Er, October
[01:14] <Dragnslcr> I'll shut up now
[01:31] <tuxwulf> Ooooh is THAT where that number comes from.. I see... Thanks Dragnslcr...
[01:37] <Guest47756> evening guys, anyone have the authentication method for pop.att.yahoo.com handy, the wonderful AT&T people dont know what their own auth method is
[01:37] <Guest47756> and/or will not tell me
[02:14] <szakulec> what's my best bet for sharing an internet connection between two computers w/o any extra hardware?
[02:20] <maltedik> szakulec: setting one up as router
[02:21] <maltedik> i made it once. but this was years ago. there are tutorials on the web
[02:24] <dorian_> hi
[02:24] <dorian_> do you know an IRC server for bucharest?
[02:26] <szakulec> I'd thought of that, but all I really want to do is share my stable wireless connection with my media computer 3 feet away that gets a shaky wireless signal
[02:31] <palmerio> fsdfs
[02:34] <palmerio> jfgjhfg
[02:35] <bougataya> anyone can help me install itunes please...
[03:03] <grade> hi would like to ask hw can i see my bluetooth phone using kubuntu
[03:05] <grade> hi would like to ask hw can i see my bluetooth phone using kubuntu
[03:07] <tfnsn> how to reset the menu
[03:08] <tfnsn> and the desktop settings to kde3
[03:08] <tfnsn> i dislike kde 4
[03:08] <mr---t-> !bluetooth
[03:08] <ubott2> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[03:08] <tfnsn> and i wanna use
[03:08] <tfnsn> kde 3 with hardy 8,4
[03:09] <intelikey> i think something may be screwy   i just rm'd almost 6g and now i have 2.8g free   ?
[03:09] <mr---t-> on your login in screen choose options and just make kd3 default
[03:10] <intelikey> /dev/hdb       17G   14G  2.8G  83% /
[03:12] <intelikey> /dev/hda      74G   29G   45G  40% /home
[03:12] <intelikey> but what i rm'd wasn't in /home it was in /opt
[03:12] <intelikey> i know,   i'll reboot and see if it fixes it
[03:15]  * mr---t- thinks intelikey has been drinking the kool aid
[03:15]  * intelikey looks in his glass at the koolaid and wonders how he knew...
[03:17] <intelikey> no i'm serious.   i rm'd a copy of my downloaded archives  alsmost 4g from /opt   but  df -h says that / only has 2.8g free      </blinks>
[03:17] <intelikey> if i had used konq i could understand that.  "trash"  but i used   "rm"    o.O
[03:18] <sub[t]rnl> mr---t-'s koolaid rootkit just happens to be 1.2gigs, too...
[03:18] <sub[t]rnl> interesting
[03:18]  * sub[t]rnl taps his nose
[03:18]  * intelikey picks his
[03:19]  * mr---t- obstains
[03:19] <intelikey> ob ?
[03:19] <mr---t-> sp?
[03:19] <intelikey> oh ab
[03:20] <mr---t-> yea
[03:22]  * mr---t- has O shaped abs
[03:23] <boggystudios> I can't get my computer to resolve domain names.
[03:23] <intelikey> /etc/resolv.conf
[03:24] <boggystudios> I have my default gateway set but it isn't even asking the dns server anything
[03:24] <boggystudios> I can tell because I run wireshark on the dns machine and it isn't picking up anything
[03:25] <boggystudios> intelikey: /etc/resolv.conf is empty, what should be in there?
[03:26] <intelikey> mr---t-   "obstanance makes the heart grow flonders"
[03:26] <intelikey> boggystudios maybe the ip of the dns
[03:26] <mr---t-> lol
[03:26] <intelikey> :)
[03:27] <intelikey> boggystudios example   nameserver 209.244.0.4
[03:27] <boggystudios> intelikey: thanks that did the trick.
[03:27] <intelikey> boggystudios welcome.
[03:27]  * mr---t- is still a gui cripple
[03:28] <intelikey> boggystudios normally one will have both a primary and backup dns listing.     nothing special about the lines they are just two listings   as exampled above
[03:31]  * intelikey gets back to looking for the missing gigabytes
[03:32] <ubuntu> hi
[03:32] <intelikey> ubuntu
[03:33] <intelikey> i have always wondered why they don't pronounce gigabyte like they do gigolo   ???
[03:34] <intelikey> or maybe that's verse vice'a
[03:35] <mr---t-> It should be jigabyte
[03:35] <Red_Wraith> Hello all.
[03:35] <ubuntu> hi
[03:35] <intelikey> Red_Wraith
[03:36] <nitin> what are win32 codecs
[03:36] <intelikey> !medibuntu
[03:36] <ubott2> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[03:36] <intelikey> 'ave a look thar ^
[03:37] <intelikey> heh.   "thar"    southern US slang for "there"   heh.
[03:38] <nitin> intelikey: are win32codecs distro independent?
[03:38] <mr---t-> the bots different
[03:38] <intelikey> nitin the codecs may be.  the packages are not.
[03:39] <intelikey> hmm i haven't doen a thing but i now have 2.9g free   ;/
[03:39] <intelikey> /dev/hdb      17G   14G  2.9G  83% /
[03:39] <nitin> intelikey: tar.bz2 packages can be installed in any distro?
[03:40] <intelikey> nitin pretty much  yeah.
[03:40] <intelikey> but that sounds like a slockware package
[03:40] <intelikey> slockware   hehe
[03:41] <intelikey> typo
[03:41] <intelikey> and this is a qwerty keyboard   explain how i missed the A and hit the O   lol
[03:41] <nitin> intelikey: yesterday i compile mplayer, possibley with some errors, but it works!
[03:42] <intelikey> nitin umm and you made a tarball of the build ?
[03:42] <intelikey> what are you trying to say nitin ?
[03:42] <intelikey> spell it out man.
[03:42] <nitin> intelikey: now i'm playing my favourite songs with it
[03:43] <intelikey> don't leave use wondering.
[03:43] <intelikey> tov    glad it is working for you.    good to hear that you have "built" something on that sustem.
[03:44] <mr---t-> tov?
[03:44] <intelikey> improves the learning curve and all that raw.
[03:44] <intelikey> yeah   good.
[03:44] <intelikey> execlent
[03:44] <intelikey> wonderful
[03:44] <intelikey> well
[03:44] <intelikey> tov
[03:45]  * mr---t- stills wonders whats tov?
[03:45] <intelikey> :|
[03:45] <intelikey> good
[03:45] <intelikey> bueno
[03:46] <mr---t-> good that Iwonder?
[03:46]  * intelikey hides.
[03:46]  * mr---t- total victory
[03:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[03:47]  * intelikey slips a firecracker under mr---t- 's shoe and lights it.
[03:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> can anyone help me install this xubuntu alternate iso cd into the computer
[03:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> i don't know how to do it without the graphic interphase which is always getting stuck anyway
[03:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> i don't know if i should format my harddrive first then boot up with windows and reinstall it
[03:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> as my prtitions seem messed up, it says i have 72 mb for ntsf but i only have 40 gb on my harddrive when i go to y pc on windows
[03:49] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker there should be a boot option when it first fires up.    command line install    or something like that
[03:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i've never installed without the graphic interphase...so if there's any tutorial
[03:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> on the alternate cd?
[03:49] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker yeah
[03:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> will i have a partitioner?
[03:49] <intelikey> yeah
[03:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> if i chooes the whole harddrive
[03:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> as in erase and create new partition
[03:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> will i be able to then run the windows install
[03:50] <dauoalagio> where is the system settings config file?
[03:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> and reinstall windows and have the windows cd make its own partition
[03:50] <intelikey> i haven't see the cli installer sense hoary  but probably.
[03:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> ?
[03:50] <grade> hey guys thanx 4 the help :D
[03:50] <dauoalagio> where is the system settings config file?
[03:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> is there some sortof tutorial on how to install manually?
[03:51] <intelikey> dauoalagio /usr/share/kde*   ????
[03:51] <dauoalagio> intelikey: is that where the font config is written to? I'm trying to edit the font size through CLI
[03:51] <intelikey> dauoalagio or the ~/.kde*
[03:51] <dauoalagio> intelikey: it's not under .kde
[03:51] <intelikey> dauoalagio err  ask Jucato
[03:52] <dauoalagio> is Jucato here?
[03:52] <intelikey> usually
[03:52] <dauoalagio> Jucato: you here?
[03:52] <Jucato> ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[03:53]  * Jucato is gone again
[03:53] <intelikey> thanks Jucato
[03:53] <dauoalagio> thank you@
[03:53] <dauoalagio> !
[03:55] <dauoalagio> Jucato: that doesn't have the settings for font size.
[03:56] <intelikey> yes it does.   search fonts
[03:56] <intelikey> or font
[03:56] <intelikey> like   font=DejaVu Sans,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[03:56] <intelikey> the 12 is the size   no ?
[03:57] <Jucato> or *Font=DejaVu....
[03:57]  * Jucato double checks
[03:57] <dauoalagio> Jucato: all mine says is update_info
[03:57] <intelikey> in section    [General]
[03:58] <dauoalagio> Jucato: the issue is that i just installed kde kubuntu and the font size is easily over 100.  it won't let me get to system settings to fix it.
[03:58] <Jucato> dauoalagio: have you changed your fonts before?
[03:58] <carlosjulio> get
[03:58] <wastrel> what's the kubuntu photo viewer?
[03:58] <dauoalagio> Jucato: no it's fresh.  and it's under .kde4 because im on kde4.  just so you know incase it makes a differenec
[03:58] <wastrel> like fspot but not broken
[03:59] <Jucato> dauoalagio: yes it would make a difference :/
[03:59] <intelikey> wont let you ?    move the window with the mouse ?     alt+left_mouse    drag window
[03:59] <Jucato> ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals
[03:59] <dauoalagio> Jucato: yeah I am under that file in .kde4
[03:59] <Jucato> wastrel: digikam or gwenview
[03:59] <wastrel> for kde4 which?
[03:59] <dauoalagio> Jucato: it only has [$Version]
[03:59] <intelikey> now he says kde4
[03:59] <Jucato> dauoalagio: well basically that file starts as a bit empty until you change some settings, then that file gets filled
[04:00] <dauoalagio> Jucato: how can i edit the fonts then?  what is the font config line?
[04:00] <intelikey> !kde4 | dauoalagio and for the record.
[04:00] <ubott2> dauoalagio and for the record.: KDE 4.0.5 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.5.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[04:00] <Jucato> dauoalagio: and see intelikey's tip on how to move a window
[04:00] <Jucato> even if the window borders go beyond the screen, you can still move it
[04:01] <intelikey> dauoalagio like i said   add the section   [General]   and below it add the line    font=DejaVu Sans,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0     or   font=DejaVu Sans,8,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[04:01] <dauoalagio> Jucato: I tried asking kubuntu-kde4 and I know how to move the windows around.  I go into settings and go to appearance but the window freezes.  It makes me terminate it.  Thats why Im doing it under CLI
[04:02] <wastrel> so gwenview seems to be for photo viewing, does it have catalog management or is that more a digikam thing?
[04:02]  * intelikey thinks it's not frozen but the popup window is not seen.    alt+tab
[04:03] <Jucato> wastrel: more a digikam thing
[04:03] <nitin> intelikey: the work of win32codecs is same as that of libxine-ffmpeg which enables to play popular audio and video formats
[04:03] <wastrel> thanks
[04:03] <intelikey> "popular" nitin ?     not popular around here.  we like free formats.
[04:04] <wastrel> 3 < Jucato> wastrel: more a digikam thing
[04:04] <wastrel> 23:03 < nitin> intelikey: the work of win32codecs is same as that of libxine-ffmpeg which enables to play popular audio and video formats
[04:04] <intelikey> you mean "restricted formats"  not popular
[04:04] <Jucato> nitin: not exactly. "the same" in general, but the specific formats supported are very different
[04:05]  * intelikey wonders if wastrel's paste was an oops,  or had a meaning ?
[04:06] <wastrel> hrm sorry yes that was a mis-click
[04:06] <intelikey> thought it must be.
[04:07] <dauoalagio> intelikey: if it's a pop up wouldnt it show up in my taskbar?
[04:07] <wastrel> didn't even notice til you hilighted my nick :]  busy trying to figure out how to import my photos into digikam
[04:07] <intelikey> dauoalagio ummm   not sure in kde4
[04:08] <Jucato> dauoalagio: no. not the system settings ones
[04:08] <intelikey> ah there you have it.
[04:08] <dauoalagio> intelikey: so alt-tab wouldn't be the issue.
[04:08] <intelikey> errr i mean   "thar ya have it."
[04:09] <dauoalagio> Jucato: i added the [General] with the font thing that intelikey put but it did nothing after a re-login
[04:09] <intelikey> alt-tab should show you what is avalable.  and might reviel if it is a popup   po pup  or pop up
[04:10] <dauoalagio> intelikey: there is only one window >_>
[04:10] <intelikey> ok.   file a bug
[04:10] <intelikey> !but | dauoalagio
[04:10] <ubott2> Factoid but not found
[04:11] <intelikey> !bug | dauoalagio
[04:11] <ubott2> dauoalagio: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[04:11] <intelikey> so sawly bloss
[04:12] <dauoalagio> intelikey: there is no bug.  the font config just needs to be rewritten or written, apparently.
[04:12] <intelikey> that  would indeed be a bug.
[04:12] <intelikey>   dauoalagio    you can also add   fixed=DejaVu Sans Mono,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[04:13] <intelikey> taskbarFont=DejaVu Sans,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[04:13] <intelikey> toolBarFont=DejaVu Sans,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[04:13] <dauoalagio> intelikey: there are no fixed fonts that i am dealing with.
[04:13] <intelikey> menuFont=DejaVu Sans,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[04:14] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4a98b629
[04:14] <intelikey> dauoalagio that kde3 but fonts "should" be the same
[04:14] <intelikey> and i'll quit there.
[04:16]  * dauoalagio wants to take this outside
[04:17] <intelikey> ya mean throw down ?
[04:18] <intelikey> man if that's what ay mean.  i'll do a drive by cussin' on yo **s    </tough act>
[04:27] <coolwill> bonjour
[04:27] <coolwill> ?
[04:29] <intelikey> yah  howdy
[04:29] <intelikey> that user name is that a half a word ?
[04:32] <moshe> hi, every time i take out a wifi pc card, ubuntu freezes - how do i stop the device to remove it safely?
[04:32] <drbrown> is anyone aware of of keyboard issue which causes the arrow keys when held down to input corresponding numbers? as in > types a 6?  These arrow keys are not part of the Num pad either
[04:34] <intelikey> moshe pcmciautils might help you ?
[04:34] <intelikey> moshe or possably k network manager
[04:36] <albuntu> moshe knetworkmanager is perfect in hardy so try it
[04:37] <intelikey> perfect ?
[04:37] <moshe_> didn't help ifconfig wlan0 down
[04:37] <moshe_> :(
[04:37] <albuntu> intelikey i ment i like it :) i had no problem with it
[04:37] <moshe_> albuntu: you mean to turn off the interface?
[04:38] <intelikey> iwconfig ?
[04:38] <moshe_> iwconfig doesn't turn on or off
[04:38] <wastrel> ifdown wlan0
[04:39] <albuntu> moshe if you want to disable it try to disable it in system settings if thats what you mean
[04:39] <moshe_> albuntu: no i was trying to disable right before removing the pc card
[04:39] <moshe_> so the box won't freeze
[04:40] <wastrel> yeah maybe rmmod the kernel module
[04:40] <wastrel> that's a nasty sort of problem :/
[04:41] <mr---t-> right click on the network icon, options , disable wireless
[04:41] <intelikey> moshe pcmciautils might help you ?   <<<  you looked thar ?
[04:41] <moshe_> ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured
[04:41] <moshe_> intelikey: going to try now
[04:42] <Moonstorm> can i drop kde3 and do a full upgrade to kde4 and still have a functioning system?
[04:43] <moshe_> intelikey: pccardctl eject doesn't do anything..
[04:43] <intelikey> Moonstorm define functioning system
[04:44] <Moonstorm> well, like my kde3 system
[04:45] <intelikey> Moonstorm then    no
[04:45] <Moonstorm> k
[04:45] <Moonstorm> thx
[04:45] <pumpkin> I'm new to ubuntu, is anyone willing to help?
[04:46] <intelikey> pumpkin i can't help you be new to it, you already are.
[04:47] <intelikey> pumpkin do you have a real question ?
[04:47] <pumpkin> lol, good point
[04:47] <pumpkin> yes i do have a real question
[04:47] <pumpkin> i just realized i'm using a really old version of ubuntu and that's why i can't get many things to work
[04:48] <pumpkin> can i just update or do i have to do a complete reinstall?
[04:48] <mr---t-> versions?
[04:48] <wastrel> you can update but you have to use the proper method
[04:48] <pumpkin> old like 2. something
[04:49] <intelikey> pumpkin    first what version.     lsb_release -a
[04:49] <n3kl> Hi.  What do I need to do to get wpa to request a dhcp address?  I am using kubuntu 8.04 kde4 packages with wpa_supplicant and knetworkmanager.  Don't know if running both causes a problem.
[04:49] <pumpkin> lol, i honestly don't know, I'm really new to this
[04:49] <intelikey> there's no such thing as 2. ubuntu    started in 4
[04:50] <pumpkin> i was looking at the boot screen
[04:50] <pumpkin> it's a couple of years old
[04:50] <wastrel> pumpkin: do you know how to open a terminal (command line) window?
[04:50] <pumpkin> yes
[04:50] <intelikey> pumpkin open a konsole.   type in    lsb_release -a
[04:51] <pumpkin> done
[04:51] <pumpkin> 6.06.1
[04:52] <wastrel> 6.06 is dapper iirc
[04:52] <pumpkin> yes
[04:52] <intelikey> dapper drake.
[04:52] <intelikey> ok you need to just reinstall with a hardy install dvd
[04:52] <wastrel> you can upgrade from dapper
[04:52] <wastrel> reinstalling might be easier however :]
[04:53] <wastrel> my current box at work has been upgraded since dapper
[04:53] <intelikey> too many hops to update without issue
[04:53] <pumpkin> okay, thats what i was afraid of lol
[04:53] <wastrel> actually isn't dapper->hardy explicitly supported as LTS->LTS ?
[04:54] <pumpkin> i'm not sure
[04:54] <intelikey> yes
[04:54] <intelikey> err sorry misread that
[04:55] <wastrel> i was thinking you'd need to hop through edgy->feisty->hardy like i did :]
[04:55] <pumpkin> this is something i'm very new to so i've spent a lot of time reading the manual online and stuff
[04:55] <intelikey> both are lts  in gnome  but not in kde only dapper is
[04:55] <pumpkin> i have kde
[04:56] <intelikey> anyway.  easiest hoop for you to jump through pumpkin is a clean install.
[04:56] <pumpkin> okay, i can do that
[04:57] <wastrel> yeah that's probably the best idea
[04:57] <pumpkin> i'm also trying to get slackware off of the computer
[04:57] <pumpkin> i never use it
[04:57] <intelikey> pumpkin you can "if there are seperated out   keep your old home.
[04:57] <n3kl> I have taken an interfaces and a wpa_supplicant.conf file directly from a working debian config and installed them in kubuntu 8.04 KDE4.  Now when I boot, wpa_supplicant auto connects to the correct network of choice, but does not grab a dhcp address.  What Should I be doing differently?  http://www.pastebin.ca/1059653  <-- interfaces file.
[04:58] <intelikey> pumpkin good. you have a slack install  if the partition/disk is >4g you can just overwrite the slack install with your new ubuntu and kill three flees with one scratch
[04:59] <pumpkin> i have 40 for slack and 40 for unbuntu
[05:00] <wastrel> n3kl: try changing manual to dhcp  on the iface ath0 line :]
[05:02] <n3kl> wastrel: is that a debian -> ubuntu thing?  The docs state differently, which is the only reason I left it.
[05:04] <wastrel> n3kl:  i don't know, just think it might be worth trying.  you're not getting dhcp so presumably dhclient isn't running?
[05:04] <wastrel> you can set the interface to use dhcp ... :]
[05:04] <wastrel> what if you bring up the interface and run dhclient manually
[05:05] <coil> ifocnfig
[05:06] <intelikey>  http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP
[05:07] <intelikey> why apt  Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates Release  ?
[05:11] <intelikey> !ircroot
[05:12] <nitin> hello
[05:13] <mr---t-> !rootirc
[05:14] <intelikey> reset: standard error: Invalid argument
[05:14] <nitin> what is bitmap font
[05:16] <intelikey> heh.  samba has updates.   samba is something that have never used and probably never will.
[05:16] <intelikey> one would have to run M$ os to need/use samba   no ?
[05:16] <wastrel> you can use samba linux<->linux
[05:17] <intelikey> wastrel ok.    but why would one ?
[05:17] <n3kl> wastrel: Ok.  I have set dhcp, and now the system is not connecting to the proper network.
[05:18] <n3kl> if I do ps aux | grep dhcp, I see that dhclient is started on the correct interface, so that is a good sign.
[05:19] <wastrel> n3kl: you can set the network with iwconfig
[05:19] <wastrel> iwconfig essid <network>
[05:19] <n3kl> iwconfig *ath0* essid network
[05:19] <wastrel> indeed
[05:19] <n3kl> but, yes, I know.  The point is to have the system to connect at boot, not manually.
[05:20] <n3kl> What else do you think might be causing this?
[05:20] <n3kl> does wpa-roam exist on ubuntu?
[05:21] <wastrel> dunno, i'm not actually very conversant with wireless configuration.  still a bit of a black art as far as i'm concerned.  you can put wireless-essid <essid>   in your ath0 config in the interfaces file
[05:21] <wastrel> to connect with the proper network.
[05:22] <n3kl> Hmmm
[05:22] <coil> ih
[05:22] <coil> ifconfig
[05:22] <coil> sudo
[05:22] <coil> pico
[05:22] <n3kl> what about it
[05:24] <n3kl> wastrel: well, thanks for the response at lease.  First I have gotten in teh #*ubuntu channels =]
[05:26] <intelikey> n3kl if you can't get it from here.  you can try ##linux   some times you get lucky thre.
[05:26] <wastrel> i keep meaning to fix my wifi yes to work on boot
[05:26] <wastrel> but i'm lazy and let network manager do it for me nowadays
[05:27] <n3kl> Yeah, but this is a ubuntu specific thing.  I have been using linux for many years.  Thus, #kubuntu
[05:27] <geega> how to get the sound icon in the taskbarr
[05:27] <n3kl> Is there a "defacto" place for all things ubuntu or something?  WHere can I get help?
[05:27] <geega> volume controller
[05:28] <wastrel> #ubuntu is the "correct" place ,but it's a zoo nowadays.
[05:28] <geega> i am using kubuntu 8.0
[05:28] <n3kl> geega: try kmix
[05:28] <nitin> is there a way to get bitmap fonts?
[05:28] <wastrel> help.ubuntu.com but it's not going to go into the gory details of the interfaces file.
[05:28] <intelikey> n3kl still worth a shot ;/
[05:28] <wastrel> maybe the mailing list but i think you're going to need a general document on wpa_supplicant voodoo
[05:29] <wastrel> i can configure a network for wep in intefaces
[05:29] <n3kl> intelikey: alright... thanks
[05:29] <wastrel> but wpa i haven't figured out yet.
[05:29] <n3kl> wastrel: well, when you figure it out, you let me know
[05:29] <wastrel> ok, talk to you in 2015 :]
[05:30] <geega> something i am done
[05:30] <intelikey> twenty fifteen that is.
[05:31] <geega> my task bar is gone.. i have only desktop workspaces and time kind off
[05:31] <geega> what to do . to get back the task bar
[05:31] <intelikey> right click / add applet
[05:32] <geega> when i do that
[05:32] <geega> i can see only add widget and panel settins
[05:32] <geega> both are not helping
[05:32] <geega> i am in kubuntu 8.0
[05:32] <geega> i don't like kubuntu 8.0 :((
[05:33] <intelikey> !kde4 | geega
[05:33] <geega> yes
[05:33] <intelikey> there is no kubuntu 8.0
[05:33] <intelikey> there is no month 0
[05:34] <geega> ok i am using kde4
[05:34] <geega> is that any way to get it back the task bar
[05:34] <intelikey> release cycles are   year.month
[05:34] <intelikey> kubuntu 2008.04
[05:35] <intelikey> the bot is not around when you need it.
[05:35] <intelikey> for the record.: KDE 4.0.5 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.5.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[05:36] <intelikey> streight out of the bots mouth ^ that is.
[05:37] <nitin> intelikey: where can i get bitmap font, any idea?
[05:39] <intelikey> nitin apt-cache search fonts | grep bitmap
[05:40] <intelikey> nitin my guess would be that you have "some" bitmap fonts already installed,  and some truetype
[05:41] <intelikey> my second guess would be that for a definition of "bitmap fonts" wikipidia.org would beet google.com 2:1
[05:42] <intelikey> nitin anything else while i'm here ?
[05:44] <intelikey> but google hates me anyway. so i may be biased.
[05:48] <neptunepink> yo peeps, I've got an issue.
[05:48] <intelikey> nitin apt-cache search fonts | grep bitmap
[05:48] <intelikey> my second guess would be that for a definition of "bitmap fonts" wikipidia.org would beet google.com 2:1
 I've just done a fresh install of kubuntu and adept has wanted to install over 100 updates which I okayed. the install has stopped at 92% while "configuring new version ssl-cert" what should I do it hasn't advanced in over 6hours ??
[05:49] <intelikey> neptunepink congrats,   i used to have one of those  ;/
[05:49] <neptunepink> None of my hard drives can be accessed from my main computer. They aren't detected by the bios. I've tried plugging them in with both IDE cables. I know the hard drives aren't broken, as they work on another computer
[05:49] <neptunepink> intelikey: I hope it didn't have to do with "yo"
[05:50] <neptunepink> And I *think* this started while the computer is running.
 I've just done a fresh install of kubuntu and adept has wanted to install over 100 updates which I okayed. the install has stopped at 92% while "configuring new version ssl-cert" what should I do it hasn't advanced in over 6hours ??
[05:51] <intelikey> neptunepink :)     no it had to do with being the wrong type ide cable    and yes there are two  that plug just alike.
[05:51] <neptunepink> Because I was just using it, (Over NX, 'cause that's my thing) and it froze. Responded to ping, all that...
[05:51] <neptunepink> intelikey: Oh? Uhm...
[05:52] <neptunepink> intelikey: Well, I tried it with the cable that usually goes to the optical drives...
[05:52] <intelikey> neptunepink at least that's worth looking into.
[05:52] <neptunepink> intelikey: There's some that have a twist in them, isn't there? Maybe I'm thinking of floppy cables...
[05:54] <intelikey> neptunepink what i'm saying (mind you i'm lagging pretty badly)   is that the "old style" ide cables wont support the new drives.      i don't recall the specs but the bus speed is the reason.
[05:54] <neptunepink> Becker_11: I don't think there's anything you can do except to close it. You'll need to ask someone what to do after that.
[05:54] <Becker_11> neptunepink great
[05:54] <neptunepink> !lock
[05:55] <intelikey> neptunepink yeah floppy cables have a twish in the second stage.   but that's not relavent
[05:55] <eiliii> ok this might be a strang question ... where is the config file for the kmenu ... you know how you can edit that menue and organize it the way you like it ... i would like to find that file and cp it to an other box ...
[05:55] <intelikey> Becker_11 the what to do after that is     sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:55] <intelikey> neptunepink the bot is  asleep
[05:56] <neptunepink> okay then...
[05:56] <neptunepink> ubott2: You suck. I want the old ubotu back
[05:56] <Becker_11> intelikey thanks for that
[05:56] <neptunepink> ubott2: At least I could remember what your name is
[05:57] <intelikey> eiliii ~/.kde/share/config/kmenu   errr no  ~/.kde/share/config/kicker maybe    not really sure.
[05:58] <neptunepink> intelikey: Well, barring cables, any idea what the problem might be? Any pointers that don't start with G or 0x? (/me thinks ide controller, whatever that is. Is there a way to replace it?)
[05:58] <intelikey> Becker_11 welcome.
[05:59] <neptunepink> #kubuntu is so much more helpful than #ubuntu. All the smart people must use KDE
[06:00] <intelikey> neptunepink heh  that don't start with 0x80  :)))    one.  you might look into hdparm    it can do neet tricks with drives.    oh   wait.     sudo modprobe ide-disk
[06:00] <intelikey> neptunepink then    lsmod | grep ide
[06:00] <eiliii> intelikey: no found it in ~/.config/menus/
[06:01] <neptunepink> ah, but I can't boot up from a hard disk ;)  I don't know about the optical drives, I will have to take a look at them...
[06:01] <intelikey> and pastebin it's output
[06:01] <eiliii> but thanks anyway intelikey :)
[06:01] <intelikey> eiliii kew!
[06:01] <intelikey> welcome.
[06:01]  * neptunepink takes notes
[06:02] <intelikey> neptunepink you can boot a live CD   ?
[06:03] <intelikey> neptunepink how new old is the box we are talking about ?
[06:03] <intelikey>                      /
[06:03] <neptunepink> intelikey: no idea, I suspect if it won't work with hard drives, it won't work with cds. I think it's oh, gosh, 5-6 years old?
[06:04] <intelikey> neptunepink try to boot a live cd    see what it does.
[06:04] <neptunepink> right, at some point in time I shall. :)
[06:05] <intelikey> also   if someone has gorked your nvram  you might get into bios setting and change something (auto detect a disk maybe) and save changes then try it.
[06:05] <neptunepink> oh, wow, now there's a really good idea!
[06:05] <eiliii> linuxwizard is now known as lizard lol
[06:05] <neptunepink> intelikey: err, someone?
[06:06]  * intelikey doesn't like to talk about nvram as it incites riot
[06:06] <neptunepink> nuxw had joined this channel
[06:06] <neptunepink> intelikey: I don't know anything about nvram. :)
[06:06] <ilya_> I try to compile brlcad.org from source, command make interrupts few times... My question is wether "make" or "gnu make" is the same as automake 1.9?
[06:07] <neptunepink> make isn't the same as automake
[06:07] <neptunepink> You use automake on sources that you get from cvs, IIRC
[06:07] <intelikey> neptunepink good,  stay out of it.   we'll all sleep better  !
[06:08] <ilya_> ok
[06:08] <intelikey> ilya_ also install "build-essential"   and see if that helps.
[06:08] <ilya_> yes, I have already installed it, but...
[06:09] <neptunepink> ilya_: then install automake. :P
[06:09] <Pogonip> How do I stop my system from automatically starting my mythtv user during boot up?  Mythtv isn't working so my system keeps restarting and I want to login as my other user.
[06:10]  * intelikey remembers formatting nvram and mounting it...   (kids don't try this at home!)  kind of thing.
[06:10] <ilya_> In fact I haven't got anything from tarball yet,.. That time I had installed all 'autyomakes' from repositoy
[06:10] <neptunepink> intelikey: That sounds like something I'd want to try. ;)
[06:10] <eiliii> Pogonip: do you have an entry in ~/.kde/Autostart/ for mythtv?
[06:10] <intelikey> Pogonip ?   you mean autologin ?    kdm or kdm-kde4 ?
[06:10] <Pogonip> Not sure, I can
[06:10] <ilya_> brlcad.org
[06:11] <eiliii> Pogonip: ?? can i what ???
[06:11] <intelikey> neptunepink heh.  the box forgot how to save bios settings     :)   is that something you'd like to see yours do ?
[06:12] <Pogonip> Not sure, I can't get this thing to stop long enough to figure out what system it's booting to.  probably kdm
[06:12] <neptunepink> intelikey: Maybe not. Perhaps you can set up an offset... how big is nvram? KBs?
[06:13] <intelikey> Pogonip at the grub prompt (boot menu)   edit your kernel line and add   1   to the end of it.
[06:13] <Pogonip> What will the 1 do?
[06:13] <eiliii> Pogonip: you might want to log in via console ... on the log in screen press ctrl+alt+f1 and log on ... check if mythtv is in .kde/Autostart/
[06:14] <ilya_> Is it 'normal', that ReiserFS on 70 Gb's partition has eaten 1Gb of RAM?
[06:14] <intelikey> neptunepink depends on the bios and the nvram initial size     one probably could setup an offset    but the size is small at best.   a few k   20k would be big
[06:15] <intelikey> Pogonip boot you to a root shell
[06:15] <neptunepink> Hmm, I wonder how big grub is...
[06:15] <Pogonip> Cntr+alt+f1, that's what I need.  It's been awhile since I longed in to Ubuntu and I couldn't figure out how to get to the consule.  Thank you.
[06:15] <neptunepink> ilya_: We don't use that filesystem anymore.
[06:16] <ilya_> Why?!! it seems 2 be the fastest?!!
[06:16] <intelikey> Pogonip in that root console userdel your user that is hosed  (it will not erase the home dir nor contents)  and set a root passwd    then exit
[06:17] <neptunepink> ilya_: Because the author killed his wife? Also, he named it after himself, which is pretty suspect.
[06:17] <sigma_12> besides adept and synaptic what can i use for package management?
[06:17] <intelikey> Pogonip and if my replys seem incohearant   i'm lagging about 30 seconds.
[06:18] <ilya_> Maybe, his wife was a bad one ;-). We don't need to discuss slimy stories...
[06:18] <intelikey> ilya_ eaten ram ?
[06:18] <neptunepink> intelikey: Stop torrenting!
[06:18] <Jucato> ilya_: what does ReiserFS have to do with RAM?
[06:18] <Jucato> (or more precisely, how are you determining that it's the filesystem that's eating RAM?)
[06:18] <intelikey> sigma_12 apt-get aptitude dselect
[06:18] <ilya_> yes, just because reyserfs, 1.700 Mb of RAM (no swap i have) was "deactivated"
[06:18] <intelikey> neptunepink it's not.  it's a file transfer but it's not a torrent.
[06:19] <neptunepink> sure, sure.
[06:19] <Jucato> ilya_: I seem to have trouble understanding your sentence
[06:19] <intelikey> Jucato yeah that's my Q
[06:20] <intelikey> ilya_ ?
[06:21] <intelikey> you no will to engrish ?
[06:21] <ilya_> Well, reiserfs is the fastest, but it takes a Gb of Ram 4 each 60 Gb of partition while I like to use no swap, and i have only 2 Gb of RAM for 3D modelling and fem/fea
[06:21] <neptunepink> ilya_: You could unmount it. :P
[06:21] <intelikey> "reiserfs is the fastest, but it takes a Gb of Ram" <<< based on what ?
[06:22] <neptunepink> Ooooo, now there's an idea... mount filesystems only when you're accessing them
[06:22] <intelikey> ^5 neptunepink
[06:22] <intelikey> :)
[06:22] <Jucato> ilya_: the filesystem used doesn't have anything to do with how much RAM is used... there is no relation. no filesystem will take an amount of RAM based on how large the partition is
[06:22] <Jucato> (if it does, this would be the first time I've ever heard of such a thing)
[06:22] <neptunepink> intelikey: Well, I was thinking of at the software level. Kindof like laptop hard drives, where they spin down
[06:23] <intelikey> neptunepink M$ did that with dos-1
[06:23] <neptunepink> interesting.
[06:23] <neptunepink> Think of all the electricity you could save.
[06:24] <ilya_> on my previous installation 2 asus laptop
[06:24] <neptunepink> even better idea: the computer turns itself off when you're not using it. :P
[06:24] <neptunepink> Now, if the computer went into suspend mode, but woke up on ssh connections.. that would be pretty amazing.
[06:24] <ilya_> seriously, few years ago i saw words "the miracles of productivity on server systems - about reiserfs", and in new laptop, i wanted 2 use it... Finally i have installed /root to 15 Gb 'place'... Not so much comfortable...
 Think of all the electricity you could save. <<< not!   takes more to spin them back up every 10 seconds than to keep them whearling.    accessing includes read and write...
[06:25] <neptunepink> ai noes. :]
[06:26] <ilya_> Is there a way 2 go 2 Suspend Mode and 2 stay connection to cell phone alive? Do i need to configure it thru files and scripts instead of KPPP in this case?
[06:27] <neptunepink> ilya_: #kubuntu-aol :P
[06:27] <Jucato> ilya_: can you please type in complete words?
[06:27] <Jucato> !u
[06:27] <Jucato> (ha! bot's gone)
[06:27] <neptunepink> Yeah....
[06:27] <intelikey> yep
[06:27] <neptunepink> I know, now we actually have to tell people how to fix their problems. So lame.
[06:27] <intelikey> been gone for hours.
[06:27] <ilya_> to jucato: so, my case was: 'no swap' + fast journaling file system
[06:28] <intelikey> i mean  been gone 4 hours 2
[06:28] <intelikey> :)
[06:28]  * Jucato kicks intelikey in the groin
[06:28] <Jucato> ilya_: it still has nothing to do with RAM being used *because* of reiserfs
[06:28]  * intelikey slips a firecracker under Jucato 's shoe and lights it.
[06:28] <Jucato> intelikey: you do know that the firecracker's gonna hit you in the groin, right?
[06:29] <intelikey> other shoe
[06:29] <intelikey> :)
[06:29] <neptunepink> :o If I get a new hard drive, I want to have my home be mounted across both hard disks
[06:30] <intelikey> neptunepink unionfs
[06:30] <neptunepink> I thought unionfs was more for writing readonly media.
[06:31] <xjohnthomasx> hey can anyone help me get my wireless settings to work again.. i did a synaptic fix broken headers thing, and now they dont work, and the network-admin program doesnt even recognize that there is a wireless card.. though the restricted drivers seem to recognize that there is a restricted driver which sees a intel proset wireless card.. argghhh.. it was working fine the last months, and now in the last five minutes it st
[06:31] <Viking667> Got a weirdo question for you lot. my wife's machine (which I'll refer to as zoom) has two panels (top/bottom). When she starts up, the top row of icons appear somewhat obscured by the panel, yet they shift down from under the panel when she does a "Organise by Name" from the Icons context menu on the desktop.
[06:31] <ilya_> but reiserfs is a journalling file system, and it was created for server systems, before next my attempt, i guess it was reiserfs. what has taken 1.7 Gb of RAM just in new, 'naked' Kubuntu 8.04 installation
[06:32] <Viking667> What I'm trying to get is for those icons to STAY where they're put. Not shift back up on the next login. I've also turned on "Lock icons in place".
[06:32] <akumaqui> hola alguien que hable español
[06:32] <neptunepink> akumaqui: #kubuntu-es
[06:32] <Jucato> Viking667: I have a feeling you're using Gnome/Ubuntu?
[06:32] <Viking667> no, kubuntu. Hardy.
[06:33]  * Jucato wonders since when KDE had 2 panels an an "Organize by name" in the context menu...
[06:33] <xjohnthomasx> jucato can you help me with mywireless when youre done there
[06:33] <intelikey> ilya_ i seriously doubt that anything has eaten a gig of ram on your system.    i also doubt that english is your first language
[06:33] <Viking667> Jucato: hang on a mo. I'll peel the exact names, seeing as I'm pullingthis from memory at the moment.
[06:33] <Jucato> !ram | ilya_
[06:33] <intelikey> ilya_   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d5b3fd74e
[06:33] <Jucato> xjohnthomasx: sorry. I'm not exactly good with wireless
[06:33] <geega> how to install kde3 from kde4
[06:34] <Jucato> er.. stupid I forgot no bot heheh
[06:34] <Jucato> Viking667: well, KDE doesn't have a 2-panel setup either. only Gnome does. unless of course you set it up that way
[06:34]  * Viking667 goes and refills his helmet with hot tea.
[06:34] <Jucato> geega: install "kubuntu-desktop"
[06:34] <geega> ok
[06:34] <geega> do we need to install kde-core too
[06:34] <geega> ?
[06:34] <neptunepink> Jucato: Can you do long division without a calculator? ;)
[06:34] <intelikey> geega no
[06:34] <geega> then
[06:35] <geega> only kubuntu-desktop
[06:35] <geega> right
[06:35] <intelikey> geega the kubuntu-desktop is a meta package, and all you'll need
[06:35] <Jucato> neptunepink: huh what? O.o
[06:35] <geega> ok
[06:35] <Viking667> I set it up that way, as wife wanted stuff at top and stuff at bottom. Panel at bottom contains kicker, system tray, and some quicklaunch thing. Top panel contains launch icons plus clock plus a couple of other things... I'll get to those in a moment.
[06:35] <Jucato> ilya_: "A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html"
[06:35] <intelikey> Panel at bottom contains kicker <<< classic :)
[06:36] <Viking667> Right. Desktop=> ContextMenu=>Icons=>Sort Icons=>By Name...
[06:36] <ilya_> i\m going 2 the link, and, really, I had not even studied english well...
[06:36] <Viking667> intelikey: well, she's been using kubuntu since ... oo... Feisty.
[06:36] <intelikey> Viking667 sorry for the rude chuckle but kicker is the pannel
[06:37] <Viking667> Yeah, I know.
[06:37] <neptunepink> Jucato: Err, like those new math students who are dependant on the calculator to do the math, you/everyone is dependant on the ubott2 to give answers to support questions in the #ubuntu channels?
[06:37] <Viking667> but are there TWO kickers, in that case? (And what the **** is katapult?)
[06:37] <Jucato> neptunepink: you can't expect me to have a memory the size of ubottu's database do you?
[06:37] <intelikey> no not two kickers  but kicker displaying high and low
[06:38] <neptunepink> Viking667: It's a program that gives you quick access to programs (and files). You press alt-space (or w/e) and type the name, and it auto-completes it for you
[06:38] <intelikey> i setup a kde one time with 6 pannels
[06:38] <intelikey> went all around the screen
[06:38] <Jucato> intelikey: me too. none of them have 100% width :)
[06:38] <intelikey> Jucato right.
[06:38] <neptunepink> My goodness.
[06:38] <Viking667> brb...
[06:39] <xjohnthomasx> intelikey  youre good with wireless.. arent you.. i think ive talkedto you before.. for some reason i have a weird wireless problem.. itw as working fine on my laptop running ubuntu feisty 7.04.. and i did a synaptic fix broken headers thing.. and then the wireless stopped working and it isnt even being seen in my network admin program.. just wired and roaming.. or whatevre..
[06:39]  * Jucato prepares to kick intelikey again in case he redirects to me
[06:39] <intelikey> xjohnthomasx first assumption is incorrect, and thus the rest is moot.
[06:39] <intelikey> but Jucato is a netowrking guru  :)))
[06:39]  * intelikey </dodges>
[06:40]  * Jucato goes kick intelikey in the groin
[06:40]  * Jucato dons firecracker-proof shoes
[06:40] <intelikey> :)
[06:41] <Tm_T> h i kids
[06:41] <Jucato> Viking667: anyway, yeah, desktop icon placement is very finicky in KDE 3... unfortunately, I don't know if it has a fix at all
[06:41] <intelikey> xjohnthomasx we may have talked indeed,  but not about wifi    i have none, and thus it would be hard for me to learn about wifi
[06:42] <xjohnthomasx> jucato.. you said you didnt know about wireless.. can you please help me when you are done maybe
[06:42] <Jucato> xjohnthomasx: yes I don't know about wireless, which is why I can't help
[06:42] <intelikey> xjohnthomasx sorry.   me and Jucato have a standing joke about that.   if you read the content you'll see it.
[06:44] <intelikey> i mean quite frankly   i just flat lied to you about Jucato knowing anything
[06:44] <intelikey> worry.   anything about networking    ;/
[06:44] <intelikey> s
[06:44] <Viking667> 'm back.
[06:44] <Viking667> Are we STILL working on kde3? Yeesh.
[06:45] <intelikey> Viking667 <Jucato> Viking667: anyway, yeah, desktop icon placement is very finicky in KDE 3... unfortunately, I don't know if it has a fix at all
[06:45] <Viking667> I saw that, thank you. That's what prompted my comment.
[06:46] <xjohnthomasx> intelikey.. could you try to recommendsomeone who is hlepful instead of having childish fun at our expense.. we are trying seriouslyto use and propagate theuse of linux and ubuntu in the world.. and you are not helping with making jokes at our expense..
[06:46]  * Viking667 starts up the package manager.
[06:46] <intelikey> duely noted and recorded xjohnthomasx
[06:47]  * eiliii giggles
[06:47] <eiliii> that is a support # you are not supposed to have fun here :)
[06:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> help
[06:48] <intelikey> eiliii i know.   ops used to cook me for it.
[06:48] <Jucato> Press F1 for Help...
[06:48] <Jucato> more details please?
[06:48] <eiliii> lol
[06:49] <eiliii> help is a starter
[06:49] <Jucato> a "starter" implies something follows... right?
[06:49] <Viking667> just seems strange that under Feisty, the desktop icons behaved. Under Hardy, they don't seem to, yet we didn't change anything much aside from the distro (says him with his tongue in his cheek)
[06:49]  * Jucato waits\
[06:49] <Jucato> Viking667: I think the KDE version changed too
[06:50] <Viking667> ... interesting. We have 4:3.5.9 here.
[06:50] <Jucato> and in feisty?
[06:50] <Viking667> no idea, sorry.
[06:50] <Jucato> I think it would be 3.5.8 if not 3.5.7... anyway, it could be a bug. but I've never been able to get desktop icons to fall in line :)
[06:51] <intelikey> dapper is  KDE: 3.5.2
[06:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> I erasked the whole partition and tried installing xubuntu from the alternate CD which i got from a torrent at the suggestion of someone after i couldn't install from the liveCD nor from the alternate i got from the website, didn't work, then i tried the other cd on which i burned the kubuntu alternate  and it also didn't work, specifically xubuntu said that these two operations couldn't be done: select and install software and build LTSP root
[06:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> , kubuntu gave me some error during "installing base system" so i tried an old kubuntu cd i had from canonical  version 5.10 didn't work, so i am on ubuntu right now, 5.10 to be specific it was the only one that worked also sent from canonical years ago
[06:51]  * neptunepink hugs intelikey
[06:51] <eiliii> wow thats something to chew on ... :)
[06:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> help, come from windows xp, i want to install xubuntu, but i don't even know how to download an image or burn it
[06:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> on this distro
[06:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> :(
[06:52] <neptunepink> It worked! :D I put the hard drive's cable in the place that was occupied by the cd drives
[06:52] <eiliii> !xubuntu
[06:52] <ubott2> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels
[06:53] <neptunepink> intelikey: Actually, never mind, it worked the way it was originally set up anways.
[06:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i can install xubuntu with all its programs from ubuntu without having to get an iso image and burn it and all of that?¿
[06:54] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: yep. just install "xubuntu-desktop" from Ubuntu
[06:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> where? i mean i can't see konsole's homologue here
[06:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> where do i find the thingy where i type sudo etc
[06:54] <intelikey> neptunepink heads up.   you pluged/repluged the ide cable.   and now it works.     first thought.  loose or dirty connection.   you may want to pay close attention to that now.
[06:56] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker ctrl+alt+f1  will take you to a console.   and alt+f7 should bring you back to the gui
[06:56] <eiliii> CostaRicanQuaker: ctrl+alt+f1 to log on a terminal
[06:56] <eiliii> :)
[06:56] <intelikey> eiliii but it's kinda mean to not tell them where they parked their gui
[06:57] <intelikey> you'll leave them with the "reboot will fix anything" boobie hatch
[06:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> sorry
[06:59] <intelikey> eiliii i did that the first few times i tried to help someone find a console.   then learned what it was doing to them...   just thought you might like to know.
[06:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> i typed the alt comand you gave me
[06:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i didn't note the one to get back
[07:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> may i please have it again i'm going to write it down this time
[07:00] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker ctrl+alt+f1  will take you to a console.   and alt+f7 should bring you back to the gui
[07:00] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker a quick intro
[07:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> then i type sudo...
[07:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> i forgot what i had to type to get xubuntu :(
[07:01] <intelikey> what you are doing is "switching tty's"    the gui by default runs in tty7    and tty's 1-6 by default are setup as login consoles.    you can also open other ttys  up to 256 of them.
[07:02] <intelikey> the alt+<   or alt+>   will move one tty the dir you press   < being the left arrow and > the right.
[07:03] <intelikey> you can   shift+page_up   to see text that scrolls by to quickly in a console too.
[07:03] <intelikey> now.    the command.    sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:03] <intelikey> k ?
[07:03] <intelikey> anything else ?
[07:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> not just yet, i'll be right back
[07:04] <intelikey> ok
[07:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> E couldnt' find package
[07:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> by the way
[07:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> this is ubuntu 5.10
[07:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> i think that has something to do with it
[07:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> depositories?
[07:05] <robotgeek> wow, that is old.
[07:06] <intelikey> also of note.   the left alt key is assumed unless otherwise noted  because they are not the same the left and right alt keys   while left_alt+f1 will take you to tty1  right_alt+f1  would take you to tty13 if it were active.
[07:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> i know, that's the only thing that would actually install
[07:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok so use left alt key
[07:07] <shepp> Ive jut installed kubuntu 8.04  .. I want to install Sysnaptic       How ???
[07:07] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker i think the repos are only on a "old releases" server now.
[07:07] <eiliii> wow here is a giant helo around the sun ... !!!
[07:07] <intelikey> Jucato have the address for the 5.10 repos ?
[07:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do i do then?
[07:08] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker if it was me. i'm upgrade it to 6.6 then install xubuntu-desktop
[07:08] <Jucato> intelikey: I'll try to look
[07:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> i will
[07:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> however
[07:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i do that?
[07:08] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker hold just a sec.
[07:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> thank you intelikey
[07:09] <intelikey> what was the codename of 5.10  was that breezy ?
[07:10] <Jucato> intelikey: seems like substitute "old-releases.ubuntu.com" for "archive.ubuntu.com"
[07:10] <robotgeek> shepp: you should be able to install it from adept.
[07:10] <robotgeek> intelikey: yes
[07:10] <intelikey> Jucato ok  ty.
[07:10] <shepp> Not there ??? Where do i point to ??
[07:10] <Jucato> (of course use "breezy" instead of "hardy" or whatever)
[07:10] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker ok.  i'll make you a sources.list file  are you behind a firewall ?
[07:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> i think not, how do i check though?ç
[07:12] <intelikey> just a sec and i'll test it for you.
[07:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i type at? alt 64 doesn't work
[07:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> shift +2 neither
[07:14] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker check your irc clients other windows
[07:14] <intelikey> windows/tabs
[07:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> did i accept?
[07:14] <intelikey> not yet
[07:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> let me clcik again
[07:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> i clicked several times
[07:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> nothing happens
[07:15] <philsf> hello, when I delete emails in IMAP accounts in kmail, they go to the local trash, instead of the IMAP's one. How can I make kmail use the remote trash, for each account?
[07:15] <intelikey> type in   /dcc get intelikey
[07:15] <intelikey> or is it  /dcc get intelikey sources.list
[07:16]  * intelikey thinks back to when just saying that would disconnect several in here...
[07:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> intelikey, does that mean i'm behind a firewall?
[07:19] <Damien> Hi
[07:19] <Damien> Does anyone know of a program that I can make techno-ish music with? Sort of like fruity loops for Windows
[07:20] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker type in /exec gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:20] <intelikey> tell me what it does
[07:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> type it on here or type alt ctrl f1 ?
[07:20] <intelikey> here
[07:20] <intelikey> start with the slash
[07:21] <intelikey> /exec gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> it asked me for my password
[07:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> and something popped up
[07:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> gedit?
[07:21] <intelikey> yes
[07:21] <intelikey> you see lines like   deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main universe multiverse restricted
[07:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> nope?
[07:22] <intelikey> well they wont match that exactly but the same format
[07:22] <intelikey> hmmm   what is in there ?
[07:22] <CostaRicanQuaker>  here
[07:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> intelikey start with the slash
[07:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> intelikey /exec gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:22] <CostaRicanQuaker>  (gedit:8821): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[07:22] <CostaRicanQuaker>  Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> this poppped up right after i typed what you told me btw
[07:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> um...like a notepad with some options to save and such copy paste
[07:23] <intelikey> hmm that's not the live CD running there is it ?
[07:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> no
[07:23]  * intelikey is now confused
[07:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> there are two windows by the way
[07:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> sources.list
[07:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> and gedit
[07:24] <intelikey> ?
[07:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> theyre both empty
[07:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> like the file is empty
[07:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> do i close it?
[07:24] <intelikey> but you have a gedit open   correct ?
[07:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> yep
[07:24] <intelikey> keep it.
[07:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> how about sources list?
[07:24] <intelikey> close it
[07:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[07:25] <intelikey> in the gedit menu click file/open
[07:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> that closed gedit too
[07:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i reopen gedit?
[07:25] <intelikey> yuch....
[07:25] <intelikey> wait.
[07:25]  * intelikey scratches bald spot...
[07:26] <intelikey> /exec gksudo gedit
[07:26] <intelikey> lets go that way
[07:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> should i type that?
[07:26] <intelikey> yep
[07:26] <CostaRicanQuaker>  (gedit:8902): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[07:26] <CostaRicanQuaker>  Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> tht popped on the channel
[07:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> and gedit open
[07:27] <intelikey> ok in it's menu  file/open
[07:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[07:27] <intelikey> navigate to  /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> now what do i open
[07:27]  * Viking667 kicks his sucky DSL modem again, and applies an aluminium bat to it, loaded with concrete core.
[07:28] <intelikey> Viking667 it's the agency doing it
[07:28] <Viking667> uhm.... neither the IRC server nor myself are even _in_ the flaming country concerning the Agency.
[07:28] <intelikey> we're watching you   <.<    >,>
[07:29]  * Viking667 so SO badly wishes he could do ASCII anims here.
[07:29] <intelikey> hehhe.   but don't
[07:30] <Viking667> imagine Kitt's LEDs moving, back and forth.
[07:30] <shtoom> ﻿Hi, when I run d3lphin on hardy its taking forever to start and lot hard disk reading is going on
[07:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> intelikey
[07:30] <intelikey> yes
[07:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> it lists home file system
[07:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> cd rom drive
[07:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> cdrw drive
[07:30] <intelikey> the  .. means up one dir
[07:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> and floppy drive
[07:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> so what do i do'
[07:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> ?
[07:31] <intelikey> start in home  file system   and  .. .. /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:31] <intelikey> err are they sperate   home and  file system ?
[07:31] <intelikey> file system then...  if they are.
[07:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[07:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> so what do ido again? i didn't get the dots
[07:32] <intelikey> yeah    file system   /etc/  /apt/
[07:32] <intelikey>  sources.list  is the file you want to edit.
[07:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[07:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> i opened it
[07:32] <intelikey> you in it ?
[07:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> there are lots of ··...hmm how do you type the number sign on this thing?
[07:33] <intelikey> delete everything in it.
[07:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)]/ breezy main restricted
[07:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[07:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[07:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[07:33] <intelikey> delete everything in it.
[07:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> thts what it says at the top
[07:33] <intelikey> delete everything in it.
[07:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> i erase everything?
[07:33] <intelikey> delete everything in it.
[07:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[07:33] <intelikey> then paste in this one line
[07:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> i erased every single line
[07:33] <intelikey> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main universe multiverse restricted
[07:34] <intelikey> paste in that one line   ^
[07:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok done
[07:34] <intelikey> save and exit it
[07:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok done
[07:34] <intelikey> ok.
[07:35] <intelikey> /exec gnome-terminal
[07:35] <shepp> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
 # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main
[07:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> wait wait
[07:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> so what do i do now, i didn't get that? do i type exec gnome etc...on here or do i go to the blank screen?
[07:35] <intelikey> yes
[07:35] <intelikey> /exec gnome-terminal
[07:36] <intelikey> here
[07:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> (gnome-terminal:9098): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed
[07:36] <CostaRicanQuaker>  
[07:36] <CostaRicanQuaker>  (gnome-terminal:9098): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed
[07:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> a window opened
[07:36] <intelikey> good.
[07:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> entitled sebastian at sebastian
[07:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> i am sebastian by the way nice meeting you
[07:36] <intelikey> you have a command prompt there ?
[07:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[07:36] <intelikey> ok.   in it.    sudo apt-get update
[07:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> it says done
[07:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> it "fetched"
[07:37]  * intelikey wonders if he mentioned he doesn't use gnome nor any gui and never used 5.10 ...
[07:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> 3017 kb
[07:37] <intelikey> ok
[07:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> ha
[07:38] <intelikey> ok.   in it.    sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> yay!
[07:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> it sys 104 additional mb of hard drive will be used
[07:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> do i want to continue?
[07:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> y !
[07:39] <intelikey> no it's true. i have never seen ubuntu 5.10    in fact i have only seen to releases   5.4 and 6.6
[07:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> so you installed a way older ubuntu
[07:39] <intelikey> and of corse you did say    yes   to that Q did you not ?
[07:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> but kept upgrading
[07:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[07:40] <intelikey> upgrade ?   no.
[07:40] <intelikey> i use the lts for a reason.
[07:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> then how did you...go from 5.4 to
[07:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> lts?
[07:41] <intelikey> well i did upgrade that in one jump just to see how much trouble it caused   but clean install of 6.6 on most of my stuff
[07:41] <intelikey> LTS==Long Term Support    ubuntu releases an lts release every few years.
[07:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> it's downloading a lot of stuff
[07:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> the console?
[07:41] <intelikey> what about it ?
[07:42] <intelikey> that's where i do most everything,  the console  yes.
[07:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> is that the name of the thingy that's getting xubuntu? isnt' it konsole or console
[07:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> unpacking setting up unpacking
[07:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> so you dont use your mouse at all?
[07:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok it looks like it's done
[07:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> as it asks me for a comand again
[07:44] <intelikey> well no.     what you are using there is a terminal emulator.    konsole (the kde terminal eumlator) and gnome-terminal which you are now seeing/using (the gnome terminal emulator) and xterm (i think is what xfce uses as a terminal emulator)  all provide a standard shell (bash)
[07:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> so what do i do now?
[07:45] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker i do use the mouse.   gpm is the "general purpose mouse support package"   it makes the mouse work for copy and paste in the console.
[07:45] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker one Q at a time.  i type slow.
[07:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes, i thank you rather for your patience, english isn't even my first language
[07:46] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker you now logout.   "not reboot, just logout"   and at the login prompt you select the session and login back in.
[07:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> on the gnome terminal? or how do you mean?
[07:46] <intelikey> i mean the entire gui.
[07:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> like system
[07:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> log out
[07:47] <intelikey> irc  terminal and all  yes.
[07:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i log out and it will ask me ubuntu or xubbuntu
[07:47] <intelikey> at the login prompt you can select the session
[07:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i can pick either?
[07:47] <intelikey> there is a button you click it shows a menu
[07:47] <intelikey> yes
[07:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok, i'll brb, don't go please
[07:48]  * intelikey hides
[07:48] <intelikey> ah man and i have duty tomarrow too....
[07:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> back
[07:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> intelikey: i made it my default thingy
[07:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> now i ahve a further question
[07:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i get rid of the gnome environment?
[07:52] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker that's not too hard but the bot has the easy answer on that.  you can ask ubottu !purekde   tomarrow and it will tell you all about it.    just substitute xubuntu for kubuntu  in it's instructions.
[07:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do you mean?
[07:53] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker if you want to upgrade to hardy   (and i'm not sujesting it,  just saying you can try it if you want )   you'll have to edit that sources.list again.   and change to      deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main universe multiverse restricted
[07:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> no i mean, i want to stay with xubuntu
[07:53] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker ! is a special char that attentions the irc robot "when its here"
[07:53] <intelikey> !purekde
[07:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> ithought ubotu was always there
[07:54] <intelikey> that ^ would tell you how to get rid of gnome
[07:54] <intelikey> no it's down for repairs
[07:54] <Cable> repairs eh?
[07:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> now i ahve a further question
[07:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i donload
[07:55] <intelikey> it would sujest kubuntu-desktop  but you use xubuntu-desktop and the rest should work.
[07:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> download* an image file for my girlfriend
[07:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> to install xubuntu in her laptop
[07:55] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker download ?    web-browser    is the normal way.
[07:55] <intelikey> oh
[07:55] <intelikey> sorry.
[07:56] <intelikey> you mean like   using dd to make an image of the partition and using ssh to transfer it ?
[07:56] <intelikey> scp
[07:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[07:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> if by dd you mean the...er...shell emulator?
[07:57] <intelikey> no.  dd is a shell command
[07:57] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d8d09ad8
[07:57] <intelikey> NAME
[07:57] <intelikey>        dd - convert and copy a file
[07:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> wait a sec please
[07:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm a little lost
[07:58] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker you will want to learn how to use "man pages"      open a terminal  and type in    man intro ;man man      and start reading.
[07:59] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker i don't mean to be giving you "the bumbs rush"   but here's your coat and heres your hat what's your hurry... bye.          i really have to go,  i have duty tomarrow. also.
[08:00] <crackhead> anyone in here really good with wireless????
[08:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> intelikey: do you know the name of xubuntu's konsole?
[08:00] <intelikey> maybe someone else can help you now.
[08:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> terminal?
[08:01] <intelikey> CostaRicanQuaker either   xterm   or     x-terminal-emulator   should work.
[08:01] <intelikey> i have to go.   shalom.
[08:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> peace unto you too
[08:23] <geega> how to get theme manager in kubuntu kde 3.5.9 desktop
[08:23] <geega> i couldn't see in the appearance
[08:29] <eiliii> alt+f2 --> kcontrol geega
[08:40]  * eiliii boots into xp to play ... sad but true .. 
[08:47]  * philsf would like korganizer to keep several backups, like kaddressbook
[08:47] <philsf> is there a way to auto-remove duplicate entries in korganizer? I messed up the cal entries syncinc with the palm, and everything has two duplicates
[08:52] <marsdtn> hi all
[08:52] <marsdtn> hi all
[09:12] <alexei> Hi, why cannnot I log by SSH in by neither publick key authentification nor password in my newly installed Kubuntu box? Dont see no error messages in /var/log/messages.
[09:12] <eiliii> what exactly happens if you try alexei
[09:14] <alexei> debug1: Offering public key: /home/matveev/.ssh/id_rsa\ debug3: send_pubkey_test\ debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply\ debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
[09:14] <alexei> thats the output of ssh -vvv hostname
[09:14] <eiliii> try ssh username@ip
[09:15] <eiliii> the username must be a user on the remote box
[09:15] <philsf> is there a way to auto-remove duplicate entries in korganizer? I messed up the cal entries syncinc with the palm, and everything has two duplicates
[09:17] <alexei> eiliii: Oh, I can indeed log-in as another user that is listed in remote /etc/passwd. But I cannot log in as myself --- a user from NIS/YP database.
[09:17] <alexei> How can I make SSH accept also the users that are not explicitly listed in /etc/passwd?
[09:18] <tim_> hi all
[09:19] <ubunturos> !hi | tim
[09:19] <geega> do we need to install compiz with beryl
[09:19] <geega> or combiz is diff and beryl is diff
[09:19] <geega> couldn't able to understand that
[09:19] <flaccid> geega, yeah now its compiz fusion
[09:19] <ubunturos> geega: compiz-fusion is a combination of it!
[09:19] <eiliii> alexei: as far as i know you can only log on an existing account ... so if there is no alexei account on the remote box you will not be able to log on sa alexei
[09:19] <ubunturos> geega: if you are using 7.10 / 8.04 you'll  have compiz-fusion without the manager, if I'm not wrong
[09:19] <geega> if i use combiz fusion.. i can able to rotate only window workspace..
[09:19] <eiliii> !compiz | geega
[09:20] <geega> alt+tab is not working at all
[09:20] <tim_> is there kubuntu sticker that come with it from SHIPIT???
[09:20] <flaccid> tim_, i didn't receive one this time
[09:20] <tim_> ok
[09:21] <geega> and title bar is going away when i start compiz fusion
[09:21] <flaccid> geega, help is #compiz-fusion
[09:21] <eiliii> ask in #compiz-fusion geega
[09:21] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion geega ensure you have followed
[09:21] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | geega ensure you have followed
[09:21] <flaccid> oh they have changed it ah well
[09:22] <geega> ok
[09:22] <alexei> eiliii: I _am_ logged in as myself on that box with KDE on console. It's SSHD that does not accept network accounts for whatever reason.
[09:23] <flaccid> alexei, if you have set up other auth than the default pam with system accounts then you probably won't find much help here
[09:28] <ubunturos> !ubottu
[09:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> hey guys i know its the wrong chatroom no one responds in the other one i'm on xubuntu and i can't create a folder on the front desktop
[09:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i can'tseem to be able to type the at sign and the number sign not even in the character map do i find them
[09:29] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, we don't help with xubuntu here. but you can check permissions on /home/user and /home/user/Desktop
[09:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> can you exdplain that? check permissions?
[09:30] <flaccid> kde comes with a character map program
[09:30] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, yes. in kde you can right click and goto properties to check permissions or do ls -ld ~
[09:31] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker: ls -la ~/Desktop and see if you are the owner
[09:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> do i type this into the shell?
[09:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean terminal
[09:32] <flaccid> eiliii_, the -d switch is needed
[09:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> er konsole
[09:32] <ActionParsni1> hey all
[09:32] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, yes
[09:32] <eiliii_> yes CostaRicanQuaker
[09:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> hold on
[09:32] <eiliii_> and right flaccid
[09:32] <flaccid> basically check ls -ld ~ and ls -ld ~/Desktop
[09:32] <ActionParsni1> is there a mobile phone with XUL connectivity. I use amarok via the web interface plugin and would like to control it via my next phone
[09:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> um
[09:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> i can't type the little curly thing
[09:33] <ActionParsni1> I already have webmin and ktorrent web interface enabled so thats all ready
[09:33] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, usually next to 1 shift + `
[09:34] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: ~
[09:34] <ActionParsni1> you mean that ^
[09:34] <eiliii_> or /home/username/
[09:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[09:34] <flaccid> ~ = tilda
[09:34] <ActionParsni1> its called a tilde
[09:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i type it?
[09:34] <flaccid> flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, usually next to 1 shift + `
[09:34] <eiliii_> shift + `
[09:34] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: i use shift + top left key, on UK keyboard its on the right
[09:34] <ActionParsni1> anyone know the keycode ?
[09:35] <flaccid> you can also copy and paste from here to konsole etc.
[09:35] <ActionParsni1> that works too
[09:35] <eiliii_> ~ is short for /home/youUserName/ CostaRicanQuaker
[09:36] <flaccid> well $HOME/`whoami` :p
[09:36] <ActionParsni1> ~/ == $HOME$
[09:36] <flaccid> oops i mean just $HOME
[09:36] <becker_11> hi I have renoved the applications menu widget from my kubuntu 8.04 instilation by mistake  how can I get it back pls??
[09:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> what was the command again
[09:36] <flaccid> becker_11, wrong channel, goto #kubuntu-kde4
[09:36] <ActionParsni1> i have an alias so i can type home at cli and it does clear; cd ~/; ls
[09:37] <eiliii_> ls -ld CostaRicanQuaker
[09:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> sebastian@sebastian:~$ ls - la ~ /sebastian
[09:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> ls: -: No such file or directory
[09:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> ls: la: No such file or directory
[09:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> ls: /sebastian: No such file or directory
[09:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> /home/sebastian:
[09:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> Desktop
[09:37] <becker_11> .04 instilation by mistake  how can I get it back pls??
 what was the command again
 becker_11, wrong channel, goto #kubuntu-kde4
 i have an alias so i can type home at cli and it does clear; cd ~
[09:38] <eiliii_> no space CostaRicanQuaker
[09:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> what does that mean?
[09:38] <eiliii_> ls - la ~/sebastian
[09:38] <eiliii_> ls - ld ~/sebastian
[09:38] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, please use pastebin and keep in mind !enter. you need to do ls -ld ~; ls -ld ~/Desktop
[09:38] <eiliii_> ls - ld ~/sebastian/Desktop as well
[09:38] <eiliii_> !pastbin
[09:39] <ActionParsni1> !paste
[09:39] <eiliii_> !past
[09:39] <eiliii_> +e
[09:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i open pastebin?
[09:39]  * ActionParsni1 thinks ubottu should read some shistory books
[09:39] <eiliii_> !paste
[09:40] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker: ^^
[09:40] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: go to the link, paste yor stuff, hit paste, copy the address in the address bar
[09:40] <ActionParsni1> !pastebinit
[09:40] <flaccid> pastebinit is a cli binary that needs to be installed, kind of makes things more complicated for novices :p
[09:40] <eiliii_> how to confuse a bot
[09:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> did it work?
[09:41] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: you need to give us the link
[09:41] <ActionParsni1> flaccid: its sweet though :(
[09:41] <eiliii_> no CostaRicanQuaker you have to past the url here so we can see it
[09:41] <flaccid> ActionParsni1, kind of
[09:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24163/ ?
[09:41] <eiliii_> ahhh
[09:41] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: thats it
[09:41] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: use it lots for large texts
[09:42] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, thats not the commands we pasted. you put a space in.
[09:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> where did i put the space?
[09:42] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, ls -ld ~/Desktop
[09:42] <flaccid> between - and ld
[09:43] <ActionParsni1> ls - ld ~/sebastian should be ls -ld ~/Desktop
[09:43] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: you cant just throw spaces into commands it wont work dude :)
[09:44] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker: use the <tab> to complete the path that way you will know if you do it right
[09:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24164/
[09:44] <eiliii_> ~/De+<tab> will complete the path
[09:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> thats' what that commadn did
[09:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> so what do i do now?
[09:46] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, hmm what does file ~/Desktop say ?
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> if i type it into the konsole?
[09:47] <flaccid> yes
[09:47] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: the command is: file ~/Desktop
[09:47] <flaccid> i gtg run. catchyas
[09:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> /home/sebastian/Desktop: directory
[09:48] <eiliii_> drwxr-xr-x  3 sebastian sebastian well its a directory ActionParsni1
[09:49] <eiliii_> that belonges to sebastian ... so he should be able to create new files ...
[09:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i type drwxr-xr-x into the thing?
[09:49] <pookey> Hi all - what's the correct current method to get 'wobbily windows' etc under ubuntu ?  the Xgl guide  on the community wiki says not to fololw it... and I'm not relaly sue Xgl is the technology I should be looking at either. Someone suggested compiz - I've enabled the desktop effcts in (KDE4's) settings, but they aren't working (they don't apper broken, they just aren't doing anything)
[09:50] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker: cd Desktop; mkdir test does that create a folder called test?
[09:50] <ActionParsni1> pookey: have you installed your graphics driver?
[09:50] <pookey> ActionParsni1: I'm using nvidia drives with twinview
[09:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> apparently not
[09:51] <eiliii_> what is the error
[09:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> sebastian@sebastian:~$ cd Desktop;mkdir test
[09:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> sebastian@sebastian:~/Desktop$
[09:51] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker:
[09:51] <eiliii_> ls
[09:51] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker:
[09:52] <ActionParsni1> pookey: have you installed compiz-fusion?
[09:52] <ActionParsni1> pookey: then run compiz --replace
[09:52] <pookey> ActionParsni1: ok, got it - thanks
[09:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> sorry about that
[09:52] <ActionParsni1> pookey: if you lose windows decorators you need a line in your xorg.conf
[09:52] <eiliii_> ls
[09:52] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker:
[09:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> eiliii: yes
[09:53] <Spaceghost> hi
[09:53] <ActionParsni1> pookey: it gets old really fast man. Its fairly worthless but for people who like a slow prety gui its bliss
[09:53] <Spaceghost> what version you recomended that me download?
[09:53] <Spaceghost> # Download Kubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron)
[09:53] <Spaceghost>  or # Download Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE 4 Remix).
[09:53] <Spaceghost> ?
[09:53] <pookey> ActionParsni1: oh, it does slow down the gui a lot?   I just like expose style window switching
[09:53] <eiliii_> so now try the gui way ... right click on your desktop and create a new folder ... that should work as well
[09:53] <Spaceghost> kde 4 is the final version? or a beta?
[09:53] <eiliii_> so now try the gui way ... right click on your desktop and create a new folder ... that should work as well CostaRicanQuaker
[09:53] <Spaceghost> have bugs?
[09:53] <pookey> ActionParsni1: I had a powerbook, I got so used to it :)
[09:54] <Algyz> Spaceghost:  better download ubuntu and install kubuntu-desktop
[09:54] <Spaceghost> why?
[09:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> eiliii: how? i don't see an option
[09:54] <ActionParsni1> pookey: like minimise effects etc, why care, I just want the thing out of my sight
[09:54] <Spaceghost> I prefer download the less mb that i can
[09:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> oh wait
[09:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> you're right
[09:54] <Spaceghost> because my internet have a limit of trafic
[09:54] <Spaceghost> :S
[09:54] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker: oh you are not using kde ...
[09:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> eilii it created a new folder
[09:54] <pookey> ActionParsni1: yeah, I'm not so bothered about  that - just improved window switching , and task bar previews are pretty useful too IMO
[09:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> but i had to go into desktop manager
[09:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> and there it is
[09:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> but it's not on the actual desktop
[09:55] <Algyz> Spaceghost:  then you'll get support for 36 mnth instead of 18 for kubuntu
[09:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> no i'm on xfce
[09:55] <eiliii_> sorry can't help then CostaRicanQuaker sorry use if i use gui kde ... nothing else ...
[09:55] <ActionParsni1> pookey: previews are cool, you can switch windows with alt-tab
[09:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> so the basic different here is that yours is kde and mine is xfce?
[09:56] <pookey> ActionParsni1: expose does improve the UI IMO though, if it adds a lot of slowdown to my desktop though I'm not interested
[09:57] <ActionParsni1> run it for a few days, see how you like it
[09:57] <nitin> how can i get bitmap font for linux
[09:57] <ActionParsni1> give it a chance, compiz seems to pull users to ubuntu
[09:57] <eiliii_> you might so start reading about the cli to learn some basics ... you can get around nowerdays but i find it usefull to at least know some common cli commands ... once you learned them you end up using them more than the gui CostaRicanQuaker
[09:57] <ActionParsni1> pookey: then they realise its actually quite usable
[09:59] <pookey> ActionParsni1: thanks for your time :)
[09:59] <ActionParsni1> pookey: np bro
[09:59] <ActionParsni1> pookey: help where you can
[09:59] <eiliii_> yes CostaRicanQuaker i have no idea about the xfce desktop ... how it works ... i had a look at fluxbox and some other ... i know fluxbox uses the right click to open the menu ... and afaik xfce is the same ... CostaRicanQuaker
[10:00] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: with linux you can run any desktop you like, enlightenment is anoth good example
[10:01] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: its that customisable, in windows you get pretty much what you are given
[10:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> great
[10:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> from what i remember kubuntu was simpler or kde was
[10:02] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: fluxbox is very lightweight, you can run it ontop of kde stuff so you get a light gui with the cool apps
[10:02] <eiliii_> i personlay like kde because it's logic, looks good and runs on my mid tech box fine ...
[10:02] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: if you are comfortable with kde, use it
[10:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> but the thing is
[10:02] <ActionParsni1> i like fluxbox due to lightness
[10:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> i want my girlfriend
[10:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> to get xubuntu
[10:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> because she has an old computer a laptop
[10:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> from around 2000
[10:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> so my concern is that she can get it so i can help her
[10:03] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: what spec?
[10:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> no clue just yet
[10:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> haven't seen her since yesterday
[10:03] <ActionParsni1> doesnt matter how old it is, you want chip type, speed and ram amount
[10:04] <eiliii_> computer specs CostaRicanQuaker not your girlfriends :)
[10:04] <pookey> if it's less then 400mhz, I'd suggest something other then KDE
[10:04] <ActionParsni1> stick fluxbuntu on it and yu got a sweet rig, takes a bit of getting used to due to the kde stuff not being there
[10:05] <ActionParsni1> but it'll chat and web like the best of em
[10:05]  * pookey loves his KDE for a reaon he cant' explain
[10:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> i dont knoww her laptops specs eiliii
[10:05]  * ActionParsni1 likes kde due to experience and fluxbox for lightness
[10:05] <eiliii_> well xfce is also not so difficult to learn ... just sit down and play with it CostaRicanQuaker
[10:06] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: if you play with xfce, you might prefer it to kde
[10:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> well on the otehr room the xubuntu room
[10:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> i got a person helping me
[10:06]  * eiliii_ likes kde or init 3
[10:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> telling me it's just a matter of right clicking and selecting create launcher an option that doesn't show up when i right cliock on my desktop
[10:07] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: dont bother, use cli
[10:07] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: what app you wanting to run?
[10:07] <ActionParsni1> via desktop shortcut
[10:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> the only reason why i preffered xfce was because of my gf's computer being oldie and the thought tht it woudl be faster than kde
[10:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> i want to have my "My stuff" folder on the desktop
[10:07] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: ok and what is that in the file system?
[10:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> now if i click on file manager and go to desktop and open it, there it is a folder named my stuff which i created
[10:08] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: ~/My stuff?
[10:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> ~/Desktop/My Stuff
[10:09] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: yes thats the link, but where does it point to?
[10:09] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: or have you made a folder on the desktop?
[10:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> that was my intent but instead i went to file manager opened desktop and created folder and that's the only way i can get to that folder, i'd rather hve it be an icon on the desktop
[10:10] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker: ls -s /path/to/my/stuff/ ~/Desktop will get you a shortcut on the desktop
[10:10] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: im trying to get that for you
[10:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok le me paste that into terminal
[10:10] <eiliii_> nooooooooooo
[10:10] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: it wont work
[10:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> oh ok
[10:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> then what do i do
[10:10] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: he was wanting you to use some fuzzy logic
[10:10] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: dude
[10:11] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: you want a mystuff link on your desktop
[10:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[10:11] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: imagine in windows, you copy the folder and then right click desktop and click paste shortcut
[10:11] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: yes?
[10:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[10:12] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: ok, where is the folder you WOULD copy if you were in windows?
[10:12] <ActionParsni1> where is the thing to make the shortcut to
[10:12]  * ActionParsni1 plays a drumroll
[10:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> C://Home/desktop/My Stuff ?
[10:13] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: so its already on your desktop/
[10:13] <alexei> flaccid: your hint was useful, setting "UsePAM" to "no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config seems to solve the problem with SSHD not accepting NIS passwords.
[10:13] <ActionParsni1> alexei: hes not here
[10:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> well yes ActionParsnil i guess technically speaking but i dont' see the icon
[10:13] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: i see
[10:14]  * CostaRicanQuaker feels dumb
[10:14] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: btw its just ~/Desktop/My Studd
[10:14] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: theres no drive letters in Linux
[10:14] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: ok now we have some info
[10:15] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker: i realy sugest you read some books about linux ... like the ubuntu bible or what ever ...
[10:15] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: if you right click on the desktop can you click lnk to location
[10:16] <eiliii_> ActionParsni1: he uses xfce
[10:16] <ActionParsni1> eiliii_: ok, gimme a sec
[10:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> i actually prefer kubuntu to this....thing
[10:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> the only reason why i got it was because i thought it woudl bebetter for isabel
[10:16] <eiliii_> give him one day of intensive reading ActionParsni1
[10:17] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: i didnt know you sed xfce, i assumed kde with this being a kde room
[10:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> well, nobody talks at the xubuntu room
[10:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> i think the person helping me
[10:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> was in this room
[10:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> and downloaded xfce jsut to help me
[10:18] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: if you right click desktop do you get "create launcher"
[10:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> nope
[10:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> the person on the xubuntu room does
[10:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> i don't
[10:19] <eiliii_> like i said read some books abbout linux that will make things more easy for you and us ... end of story CostaRicanQuaker (at least for me) :)
[10:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok here's what i'll do
[10:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm going to get rid of xfce
[10:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> it's too complicated
[10:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> and annoying
[10:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'll install kubuntu instead
[10:21] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker: you can have 10 desktop installed in linux all you have to do on login ... choose which you want to use
[10:21] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: you can get all you need via the rightclick menu
[10:21] <eiliii_> just apt-get install kde-desktop ...
[10:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> and let my girlfriend's computer work on kde
[10:22] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: or assign a sortcut key...even faster :)
[10:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> she's on windows xp anywy and i always has viruses so yeah
[10:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> better than windows in the end
[10:23] <ActionParsni1> if its a low end lappy you dont want xp on it
[10:23] <eiliii_> xp is only good for games anyway
[10:24] <eiliii_> that's the only thing that is not jet running in virtualBox :(
[10:24] <ActionParsni1> eiliii_: wine / cedega / crossover-office
[10:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok i've a question
[10:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> kubuntu is installing
[10:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i get rid of xubuntu?
[10:26] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: check in your package manager for xfce-desktop
[10:26] <eiliii_> ActionParsni1: it's a lot of configuration for games like lord of the rings and in the end it doesn't work so ... dual boot xp end of story ...
[10:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> ActionParsnil: cant i do it from the konsole?
[10:27] <ActionParsni1> eiliii_: just sack off gaming. easier
[10:28] <Jucato> ActionParsni1: probably "xubuntu-desktop"
[10:28] <Jucato> !purekde | CostaRicanQuaker
[10:28] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: sudo apt-get --purge remove xfce (press tab to autocomplete)
[10:28] <Jucato> (has instructions for removing Xubuntu as well
[10:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i get rid of the packages from xubuntu as well?
[10:29] <eiliii_> i still don't get it why remove now in a hurry ... it's not that big ... and you might like it later once you learned the basic in kde
[10:29] <ActionParsni1> sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[10:29] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: read the link the bot gave you
[10:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok ok
[10:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i imagine that for this case it would be sudo aptitude remove xubuntu-desktop
[10:30] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: makes sense
[10:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> however i don't know the names of the packages in it
[10:30] <Jucato> (except that I don't personally trust either apt or aptitude's "smart" removing...)
[10:31]  * Jucato sighs
[10:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean it lists the instructions to remove packages from old gnome versions
[10:31] <eiliii_> thats why you do an autoremove after
[10:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> buti don't know which to type
[10:31]  * eiliii_ holds his breath
[10:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> like sudo apt-get xubuntu purge autoremove ?
[10:31] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[10:32] <eiliii_> *sigh*
[10:32]  * Jucato didn't realize that the link has changed
[10:32] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: its in the link
[10:32] <ActionParsni1> CostaRicanQuaker: its a howto
[10:32] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: use the 2nd one I gave. it has instructions for Xubuntu
[10:32] <Jucato> er.. for removing Xubuntu
[10:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> oh cool
[10:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> thank you Jucato
[10:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> that's really helpful
[10:33] <Jucato> eiliii_: let him if he wants to. he might want to keep things neat. in any case, as long as he doesn't wipe out his apt archives, he doesn't need to download them again next time he wants to install
[10:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> this won't remove any files iv'e sved though right? i just downloaded this partitioner in order to reinstall windows xp
[10:34] <eiliii_> you are right ... i like my system neat as well, i just see so many things that can go wrong in this special case Jucato
[10:35] <Jucato> eiliii_: the guide I linked to is more or less trustworthy. he's been maintaining that guide for quite some time now
[10:35] <Jucato> it makes sure that only those that need to be removed are removed
[10:35] <eiliii_> no it will only remove xfce stuff CostaRicanQuaker
[10:35] <Jucato> (in fact, I trust it more than autoremove...)
[10:36] <eiliii_> well if there is a problem we will problably the first to know :)
[10:40]  * eiliii_ drops a needle
[10:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> kubuntu takes quite a while to load
[10:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> hmmm eillii
[10:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> i got a DOS like screen on the shell/konsole thingy
[10:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24173/
[10:43] <eiliii_> also here <TAB> for completion CostaRicanQuaker
[10:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24174/
[10:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do i choose?
[10:45] <eiliii_> i see only the option <OK> CostaRicanQuaker
[10:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24174/
[10:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> it asks me to chose
[10:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> between gdm
[10:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> and kdm
[10:45] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: depends. what do you want to use for your login screen? gdm (gnome's) or kdm (kde's)
[10:46] <eiliii_> choose kdm CostaRicanQuaker
[10:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> kdm
[10:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[10:46] <Jucato> then choose kdm :)
[10:47] <eiliii_> this should be only a one time setup routine or Jucato
[10:48] <kblin> hi folks
[10:49] <kblin> seems like yesterday's update to my trusty 7.04 install broke the nvidia driver. is that a known issue?
[10:49] <diman> hi everyone
[10:51] <eiliii_> did you install a new kernel kblin
[10:52] <eiliii_> kblin: and with update you mean upgrade or dist-upgrade
[10:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24179/
[10:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> ^even then get rid of the packages?
[10:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> with the other link? i meanit says it got rid of the packages
[10:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm gonna log out and log abck in to start on kubuntu
[10:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> brb
[10:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i burn an image iso file
[10:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> with k3b?
[10:57] <eiliii_> click on the image CostaRicanQuaker
[10:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> on the icon for the file or an option forimage?
[10:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> i don't see one on k3b
[10:59] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: 2 ways. you see in the main window something like "Further Actions". click on it
[10:59] <kblin> eiliii_: I ran the adept updater. if that installed a new kernel, I guess I did. I didn't dist-upgrade, as 7.04 is the last version I seem to be able to reliably run vmware on
[10:59] <Jucato> then choose Burn CD Image. or go to the Tools menu directly
[11:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok i went to k3b
[11:01] <eiliii_> vmware + fucked up nvdia kblin ???
[11:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> and edit boot images
[11:01] <eiliii_> *nvidia*
[11:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> and then picked the one i was going to burn
[11:01] <Jucato> eiliii_: language please
[11:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> it says emulation type and it has listed floppy disk
[11:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> should i leave tht checked or harddisk?
[11:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> it's for partition magic
[11:02] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: huh?
[11:03] <kblin> eiliii_: the joys of having to run Wine tests on real hardware as well as windows boxes in a VM
[11:03] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: what exactly are you doing?
[11:03] <kblin> get me decent free software alternatives for this stuff and I'll gladly run it
[11:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> i went to k3b clicked on this button that said edit the boot images fo this project to mke it bootable, under data disk(i saw no image or iso option on default) then i went and selected the image i want to burn which is partition magic from a box
[11:04] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker: there are like always more than one way how to burn an iso ... navigate to it via your file browser and click on it or open k3b and choose burn iso and than browse to it ..
[11:04] <kblin> but virtualbox network handling is fiddly and virt-manager sucks even more, especially on a single-processor box
[11:04] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: didn't you see what I typed? and if it's a CD installer you shouldn't make it bootable
[11:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> its an iso
[11:05] <Jucato> just go to Tools -> Burn CD Image (or DVD)
[11:05] <Jucato> an ISO of what?
[11:05] <eiliii_> kblin: i didn't even know that nvidia runs in vmware so i am not the right person to talk to ... sorry can't help
[11:05] <kblin> eiliii_: no, not nvidia inside of vmware
[11:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[11:05] <ioan> just go to Toold and select burn cd/dvd iso image
[11:05] <ioan> Tools
[11:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> just did so
[11:05] <kblin> look, let's ignore vmware for now
[11:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> burning
[11:06] <eiliii_> Jucato: i understand that he is trying to burn an .iso ...
[11:06] <kblin> I updated, and now X is busted. So I'm trying to fix that
[11:06]  * eiliii_ is also very hot at the moment :)
[11:06] <Jucato> eiliii_: yeah.. and if it's an installer cd, it shouldn't be made bootable. something he said earlier sort of tells me he tried to
[11:06] <geega> i want to install gnome.. i don;t like kde.. now i am using kubuntu
[11:06] <geega> how to go back to gnome
[11:07] <Jucato> geega: install the package "ubuntu-desktop"
[11:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> it's 4 am here
[11:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> and k3b made the most hideous trumpet noise
[11:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i turn that off for future instances?
[11:07] <Jucato> Settings -> Configure Notifications
[11:08] <eiliii_> option ... mybe
[11:08] <geega> if i change the desktop.. will it screwed up something :(
[11:08] <eiliii_> *maybe*
[11:08] <Jucato> geega: it *shouldn't*
[11:09] <geega> ok thank jucato. i am started downloading now :))
[11:09] <geega> let see
[11:09] <eiliii_> geega: you "should" be able to install and use multiple desktops ...
[11:10] <geega> ok
[11:11] <eiliii_> CostaRicanQuaker: are you trying to install xp after you installed linux ...
[11:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes...i share this computer with my mom
[11:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> she only uses windows
[11:12] <kblin> hm, nm, no time to play with this right now
[11:13] <eiliii_> xp install will destroy grub ... so you will not be able to boot into linux anymore ... let me find the link how to fix that
[11:13] <ioan> you should install windows first
[11:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> but hte problem is when i tried to boot up with windows xp install cd it showed two partiitions one was the swap and the other the one where kubuntu is on now and it only gave the option of writing it on top of either and i thought that might erase kubuntu altogether so ijust burned an iso of parted magic to liberate some space from the partition where kubuntu is
[11:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> but...
[11:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> you know what ihad to go through?
[11:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> i had burned an iso of xubuntu
[11:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> and iso of xubuntu alternate
[11:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> and iso of kubuntu alternate
[11:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> none of them worked
[11:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> wouldn't install
[11:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> had to look for an old ubuntu 5.10 cd
[11:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> someone in the chatrooms helped me upgrady
[11:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> upgrade*
[11:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> then get xubuntu
[11:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> and get rid of gnome
[11:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> and know i just got rid of xubuntu and got kubuntu
[11:15] <eiliii_> well use gparted or whatever partitions program to make on xp partition ...
[11:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=384355
[11:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> ?
[11:16] <ioan> but xp will erase the grub boot manager -
[11:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok so what do i do? let windows erase....no way
[11:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> install windows, format partition then run gparted or partedmagic and make free space for ubuntu to reinstall it to upgrade to kubuntu again?
[11:17] <Jucato> !grub
[11:17] <Jucato> Do that when that happens ^^^^
[11:18] <eiliii_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351&highlight=live+cd+grub CostaRicanQuaker
[11:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:27] <ioan> the easiest way to install windows amd linux is by installing windows first
[11:29] <eiliii_> ioan: yes but running grub to recover grub is a 2min task
[11:29] <suwarno> hello
[11:29] <suwarno> alll
[11:30] <suwarno> how to install driver modem lenovo N100 using ubuntu 8.04 ?
[11:30] <ioan> right eiliii_
[11:31] <eiliii_> lenovo N100 driver ??? suwarno
[11:31] <eiliii_> afaik that's a notebook or?
[11:31] <ioan> suwarno do you have the driver?
[11:33] <eiliii_> lag or slow typing :)
[11:34] <eiliii_>  17:34:14 up 2 days, 44 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.86, 2.21, 1.96
[11:34] <eiliii_> ups sorry
[11:34] <milco> hello to everyone
[11:34] <ioan> if you have the driver for your modem type make ,make clean and make install-i did so when i had a modem connection
[11:35] <suwarno> eiliee..: i have not driver
[11:35] <suwarno> i want the modem go up
[11:36] <eiliii_> what is your language suwarno
[11:36] <suwarno> using ubuntu 8.04
[11:37] <suwarno> i am from indonesiaaaaaaaaaa
[11:37] <suwarno> where are u from eiliee..
[11:37] <suwarno> hmmm
[11:38] <eiliii_> suwarno: thailand
[11:39] <eiliii_> there should be a kubutu-indonesia
[11:39] <Jucato> !id
[11:39] <eiliii_> thanks Jucato
[11:40] <suwarno> eilie: i dont know...coz i am newby...
[11:40] <suwarno> heheh
[11:42] <eiliii_> np suwarno more easy for you to ask in bahsa indonesia :)
[11:42] <_dennister> g' morning channel...1st question: what could cause a mobo bios to not remember certain settings? specifically, this one usually detects the 2nd, slave optical drive (set to auto) when I manually enter 'auto, enter, esc' but after I save these settings and exit the bios...it still doesn't detect it along with the other drives........please note this is not always the case, just most of the time, and I've already flashed the bios to try
[11:42] <_dennister> and resolve this problem, to no effect
[11:45] <_dennister> perhaps i should add that this problem persists once k/ubuntu is loaded (drive isn't detected), but other times loading the OS causes the drive to be detected and working fine
[11:47] <DistroJockey> _dennister, flat CMOS battery?
[11:47] <_dennister> by flat u mean shaped like a quarter? if so, yes
[11:47] <DistroJockey> _dennister, hehe, nope, dead as in no power
[11:48] <_dennister> hmmm...keeps other settings though, like date (but not always correct time)
[11:48] <DistroJockey> _dennister, does sound like it's dying
[11:49] <DistroJockey> _dennister, how old is it?
[11:49] <ioan> bye everybody
[11:49] <_dennister> oh, wonderful...i don't know actually...i just swapped this asus a7v mobo in...was gifted to me
[11:51] <_dennister> old mobo was definitely dying as I was trying to rebuild this thing...except for the drive & bios issues, everything else is working beautifully...even got my sata controller working
[11:51] <DistroJockey> _dennister, It's around 8 years old
[11:51] <DistroJockey> _dennister, http://www.dansdata.com/a7v.htm
[11:52] <_dennister> sounds about right...even uses sdram, unlike other boards of this era that I'm used to working with
[11:53] <DistroJockey> _dennister, try a newer battery, if that fails get a newer board are my suggestions :)
[11:55] <_dennister> aren't the cmos batteries specific to the board though? have to be specifically designed for the board and obtained from asus?
[11:56] <flaccid> thats pretty loco
[11:57] <_dennister> loco?
[11:57] <ct529> hi everybody
[11:57] <flaccid> yeah loco = crazy
[11:57] <ct529> I would like to see the changelog of a package before upgrading it. Is that possible? I have tried both adept and apt-get with several options, but I have not been able to do it.
[11:58] <_dennister> i rebuild a lot of older systems actually, to give away to others, trying to keep as much of this stuff out of the landfills as possible
[11:58] <flaccid> im not sure there is a changelog per pkg
[11:58] <FoxIII> ct529: You can use the get-selections option of dpkg before and after install which will show you which packages are installed.
[11:58] <flaccid> _dennister, yeah i do too. my best server is made off the streets. i totall support us hardware savers!
[11:58] <ct529> flaccid: hi there .... you know the bug when running openoffice? I solved it by removing the package openoffice-kde ....
[11:58] <ct529> FoxIII: no,
[11:59] <ct529> FoxIII: I need to see the changelog before installing the package not after :)
[11:59] <flaccid> ct529, did you file a bug report or comment an existing one to help them fix it?
[11:59] <_dennister> flaccid: i know what loco means, in a general sense :-) to what are u referring to? the idea of getting a new battery specifically designed for this board from asus?
[11:59] <ct529> flaccid: not nyet, discovered it only yesterday!
[11:59] <FoxIII> ah, I'm with you. Not sure on that then. Unless you use the ubuntu package site.
[11:59] <_dennister> or am i wrong and can i use any battery?
[11:59] <flaccid> _dennister, i've never heard of batteries with chips in them
[12:00] <flaccid> ct529, the community would love it if you could help in that way :)
[12:00] <flaccid> _dennister, i've used any battery in the past, first i've heard of this but then again its not like you need to replace cmos batteries much, but it hasn't been a problem for me in the past (at least 10times)
[12:00] <ct529> flaccid: yes i will. I have just seen that some openofice packages have been published, I do not know if they also solve the problem. Tha was the reason for my question.
[12:01] <flaccid> ct529, hmmm maybe you can try the new package out and see if it works and if it doesn't then i guess follow up the bug
[12:01] <_dennister> flaccid: well that's great to know, thanks! I was under the impression cmos is specific to board because of the last time I tried flashing bios and wrecked the mobo :)
[12:02] <flaccid> ya coolio
[12:03] <_dennister> goodness knows I have 1 lovely mobo here from 2004 that's toast because my son spilled champagne in it...there went the mobo, cpu, and high end graphics card
[12:04] <_dennister> how he did this when the cpu box was tucked away under a desk i don't know
[12:05] <ct529> flaccid: I cannot find the bug anymore on launchpad, because I do not have it anymore .... :) .... do you remember it by any chance?
[12:06] <flaccid> ct529, hmmm sorry i can't. submit a new one and then if you cannot match up the duplicate then someone will do that eventually for you..
[12:06] <_dennister> I learn so much in here from guys like flaccid :-)
[12:07] <_dennister> bbs...going out for a cancer stick
[12:07] <flaccid> tell the ops that :p
[12:08] <ct529> flaccid: found and yest it was apparently solved by the new packages, it is in the bug report .... I will try the new packages and then confirm (or not)
[12:08] <flaccid> nice job ct529 !
[12:09] <ct529> flaccid: thanks to you for your help!
[12:09] <ct529> see you later!
[12:09] <flaccid> cya!
[12:09] <dan__> hey.. I suck.. I can't figure out how to format my main drive.. anyone wanna help me? :)
[12:10] <flaccid> !format | dan__
[12:10] <flaccid> dan__, qtparted will do fine
[12:11] <dan__> thanks guys.. but isn't there a comman I can do from the terminal?... like "format c:"? :P
[12:11] <flaccid> dan__, yes, depends on what filesystem you need to format
[12:12] <dan__> flaccid: um.. says "ext3"
[12:12] <flaccid> dan__, so you want to format this existing linux partition with the ext3 filesystem?
[12:13] <Ange|us> sudo mkfs.ext /dev/partition
[12:13] <Ange|us> sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/partition *
[12:13] <Ange|us> ;p
[12:13] <DistroJockey> dan__, see: man mkfs
[12:14] <flaccid> myself i would do sudo mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/partition
[12:14] <dan__> flaccid: no.. when I checked the drive it said "Filesystem: ext3".. I just wanna delete everything. :P
[12:14] <flaccid> dan__, so your question is to delete a partition?
[12:15] <_dennister> DistroJockey: thanks to you, too, for diagnosing the problem
[12:15] <dan__> flaccid: no. heh. I sending it to be repaired so I wanna delete everything :P
[12:15] <DistroJockey> _dennister, you're welcome
[12:15] <flaccid> dan__, as in the whole disk?
[12:15] <dan__> flaccid: yep
[12:15] <dan__> flaccid: i need to reinstall anyway
[12:15] <eiliii> cd /media/to/delete rm -rf *
[12:16] <flaccid> dan__, it needs to be done from a livecd or something ie. the disk cannot be mounted
[12:16] <DistroJockey> _dennister, sorry I didn't say much further, was in another channel :)
[12:16] <flaccid> let me just look up the right way to zap
[12:16] <dan__> flaccid: oh. thanks. :)
[12:17] <mmo|> Does anyone know if there is (or will be) a solution for images looking ugly when zooming in firefox 3?
[12:17] <flaccid> dan__, you don't want it recoverable right?
[12:17] <_dennister> DistroJockey: u told me what i needed to know (what the problem was), and flaccid took it from there, providing the fix
[12:17] <ActionParsni1> lo all
[12:17] <DistroJockey> _dennister, cool :)
[12:18] <_dennister> I'll rescue the battery from the msi board, plop it into this one, and see what happens
[12:18] <lemon13gc> ξερετε πως ωγαίνουν οι servers k ta channels?
[12:18] <lemon13gc> vgainoun
[12:18] <eiliii> !ru
[12:18] <flaccid> !find wipe
[12:18] <dan__> flaccid: yea..
[12:19] <Pici> !gr | lemon13gc
[12:19] <flaccid> !info wipe
[12:19] <flaccid> dan__, use wipe as above
[12:19] <flaccid> !find zap
[12:19] <dan__> flaccid: right, thanks
[12:19] <DistroJockey> _dennister, should do the job :)
[12:19] <ActionParsni1> flaccid: nice one with !find
[12:19] <flaccid> dan__, man page or google will help with the command params, its pretty basic
[12:20] <_dennister> i just have to wait until this gparted operation is finished...another half hour or so
[12:20] <flaccid> yeah these old ibm programs are cool and save you do an echo to the /dev/dev
[12:20] <dan__> flaccid: heh... yea. for you guys. ;P thanks
[12:20] <flaccid> np have fujn
[12:20] <flaccid> -j
[12:21] <flaccid> just an fyi, wipe and zap are on windows as well and probably other systems too
[12:21] <_dennister> next question: anyone know of a good link to get xp home edition computers working via samba with this soon-to-be-installed 8.04 server?
[12:21] <lemon13gc> mirc gia linux mint yparxei?
[12:22] <DistroJockey> flaccid, I would have gone for a sudo fdisk /dev/sdxx  and then delete the partitions myself
[12:22] <eiliii> lemon13gc: english please
[12:22] <_dennister> all the links i've seen so far use xp pro, which is better and I'm more experienced with getting to work with samba
[12:22] <flaccid> _dennister, the samba guides are fine on the wiki
[12:22] <flaccid> DistroJockey, thats still easily recoverable
[12:22] <lemon13gc> do you know where can i find mirc for linux mint
[12:22] <flaccid> _dennister, shouldn't matter
[12:23] <DistroJockey> flaccid, not sure they wanted total destruction
[12:23] <flaccid> lemon13gc, not here. try google or something.
[12:23] <flaccid> DistroJockey, it sounded like the user did. it was going in for repair
[12:23] <flaccid> ie. prevent the repairer getting personal information via recovery etc.
[12:23] <_dennister> I'm afraid i've never yet been able to get an xp home computer working with a ubuntu samba server, although I must admit I haven't tried often......i hate xp home
[12:23] <eiliii> is there a mirc for linux ??? and why would you like to use mirc in the first place
[12:23] <DistroJockey> flaccid, ahh, fair enough. I stand corrected.
[12:24] <flaccid> _dennister, don't worry im a samba expert. i've had all windows versions running fine in a mixed unix environment
[12:24] <flaccid> i stand flaccid!
[12:24] <DistroJockey> lol
[12:24] <Ange|us> flaccid: then teach me how to make my mother's winxp computer mount a share from my linux computer
[12:26] <flaccid> Ange|us, whats the problem?
[12:26] <_dennister> flaccid: that's great to know...now just to catch you when I have at least one of the xp home computers in front of me...my son is coming with his laptop tonight...for a tutoring session and to pick up this server
[12:26] <flaccid> coolio. yeah samba is not a simple beast it gets a bit crazy but yeah
[12:27] <_dennister> user security level i assume?
[12:27] <flaccid> in essence, you never change any config of the smb server on the windows machines? why? there is no config lol
[12:27] <flaccid> security = user always as share mode is near impossible to not have issues with
[12:28] <_dennister> i know i use security = share here, because I'm the only person here
[12:29] <flaccid> thats most likely the issue to begin with. security = share is not what it appears to be...
[12:30] <flaccid> i gtg pickup my g/f, bb in about 1 hour or less
[12:30] <_dennister> but my son was, until about 8 months ago, very anti-linux/pro winblows, and he now has a new roomate who's probably never seen a linux machine in his life
[12:30] <_dennister> flaccid: later then :)
[12:31] <flaccid> ok i got out of getting her heh. so im staying
[12:32] <flaccid> but will have to go at some point to spend time with her. so if people have samba issues now is a good time to discuss if possible
[12:32] <_dennister> and the channel thanks you, her, and anyone else who helped you get out of it, lol
[12:33] <flaccid> her mum lol
[12:34] <_dennister> well, I don't think i should start the server apps just yet...once this gparted op is done, I halt, take care of the battery and bios/dvd drive, I should do the version upgrade to 8.04...then take care of the server apps
[12:34] <flaccid> anyway. there is jack all you can do on the win boxes for troubleshooting when trying to connect win->unix. so it comes down to the samba logs on the *nix server in question and using smbclient on a local *nix box or the localhost
[12:35] <_dennister> so use the *nix box as a wins server, or as a wins client to the laptops?
[12:35] <flaccid> so after having a valid config in user mode which has map to guest = bad user then if you have problems troubleshoot with smbclient and check logs and go from there (after doing smbpasswd per user)
[12:35] <flaccid> _dennister, no wins required.
[12:36]  * flaccid throws wins in the bins
[12:36] <rysiek> compilerwriter: yellow
[12:36]  * ActionParsni1 offers socks
[12:37] <Lupus> How can I get Amarok to convert my OGGs to MP3 for transfer to my media device?
[12:37] <rysiek> jussi01,  compilerwriter: are you there, guys? got the korganizer problem sorted-out
[12:37] <jussi01> great!
[12:37] <jussi01> what was wrong?
[12:37] <rysiek> jussi01: it was just dumb, actually
[12:37] <ActionParsni1> Lupus: i wouldnt convert a lossy formet to another lossy format, it will sound horrendous
[12:37]  * jussi01 giggles
[12:38] <ActionParsni1> Lupus: id rerip the cd with mp3
[12:38] <rysiek> jussi01: you see, the "whole day" display and the "by-the-hour" display are on a split-iew
[12:38] <_dennister> oh, ok...i certainly like how hardy makes samba easier...but my clean install on anotehr machine did a really bad thing with getitng the dvd drive and cd drive mixed up...can't use either one, really, for commericial disks
[12:38] <Lupus> ActionParsni1: Not necesarilly... it's just 1 transfer
[12:38] <rysiek> jussi01: so one can adjust the sizes of each - and possibly hide one if not needed
[12:38] <rysiek> jussi01: guess what.
[12:38] <Dr_willis> _dennister,  mixed up how? normally they are links from /dev/dvd to /dev/whatevertheactualdeviceis
[12:39] <flaccid> _dennister, not sure what you mean there but sounds fixable
[12:39] <rysiek> jussi01: yup. the "by-the-hour" part was simply hidden. I just noticed it today
[12:39] <_dennister> a recent and previous gutsy--->hardy dist-upgrade did everything beautifully
[12:39] <ActionParsni1> Lupus: the ogg has already degraded the quality, and mp3 will strip more quality. i'll find how to do it and id love you to compare
[12:39] <Dr_willis> there are ogg2mp3 scripts out.. basicially you do  ogg to wav, then wav to mp3
[12:40] <rysiek> jussi01: there even was the slider visible (as usually in a Qt app)...
[12:40] <Lupus> ActionParsni1: I don't doubt that it does... I doubt it'll be a difference enough for me to notice considering it'll playing from my media device
[12:40] <ActionParsni1> Lupus: grab ogg2mp3
[12:40] <_dennister> Dr_willis: what happened is that the cd drive shows up in devices as the dvd drive, and vice versa...i have all the required codecs, but no matter what i try, I'm told i need the same codecs I already have installed
[12:40] <_dennister> it's a recognized bug
[12:40] <Dr_willis> _dennister,  codecs dont have much to do with that at all.
[12:41] <flaccid> yeah thats a bug, nothing to do with samba :o
[12:41] <Dr_willis> Just mount the things manually perhaps?
[12:41] <ActionParsni1> Lupus: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/convert-ogg-to-mp3-306172/
[12:41] <ActionParsni1> Lupus: try it man
[12:41] <rysiek> Lupus: you can use K3B to convert it, GUI style
[12:41] <flaccid> i had that bug too
[12:41] <flaccid> there is also soundkonverter
[12:41] <rysiek> Lupus: just create a new audio-cd project, add all the oggs you want and hit 'convert' instead of 'burn'
[12:42] <rysiek> Lupus: and, as  flaccid notes, there is soundKonverter app in the repo
[12:42] <_dennister> Dr_willis: i know, but because the devices are mixed up in /dev, I'm always getting the messages that I need codecs installed...but I have those same codecs that the messages are referring to already installed
[12:42] <flaccid> and rysiek's k3b is probably easier heh
[12:42] <Dr_willis> _dennister,  the devices as in /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd? you could figure out which one is the correct one and tell the programs to use /dev/sdc0 or whatever the actaual device name is.
[12:43] <flaccid> _dennister, yeah there are bugs for that behaviour for sure
[12:43] <Lupus> rysiek: The device isn't exactly famed for it's quality, it's good enough to listen to but it doesn't win awards...
[12:43] <ActionParsni1> Lupus: is it an ipod :D
[12:43]  * ActionParsni1 laughs
[12:43] <Lupus> Christ no.
[12:43] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i dont even thinki have any machines with cd only drives any more. :) gave away the last one last week.
[12:43] <Lupus> rysiek: I'm looking for the ease of just putting the files I listen to directly to my device from Amarok
[12:43] <ActionParsni1> Lupus: good man
[12:44] <_dennister> Dr_willis: yes, precisely...i can temporarily change how the devices are identified, but then a reboot changes it back to the problematic config
[12:44] <Lupus> ActionParsni1: It's my phone... which I'd LIKE to play ogg but since I got it for free I won't argue.
[12:44] <flaccid> Lupus, the dudes in #amarok might be able to help a bit more as well
[12:44] <rysiek> Lupus: yeah, try #amarok, there might be some amarok script for that
[12:44] <rysiek> actually, there *should* be one
[12:45] <_dennister> that's why i'm doing this an installation with gutsy, getting the multimedia workiing properly, then doing the version upgrade...this seems to prevent the above bug
[12:46] <_dennister> hah! gparted op almost done :)
[12:47] <_dennister> epimeth: hi there...did you get the minimal cd from the link i memo'ed u with?
[12:47] <flaccid> yeah that stuff was dominant in gutsy then fixed in hardy mostly iirc
[12:48] <epimeth> _dennister: nope... no memos for me :-(
[12:49] <_dennister> I'm looking forward to getting my son's pc out of here so I can go back to my other systems...been given tons of P3's recently, and I love P3's
[12:49] <_dennister> epimeth: it was on Thursday...you asked me to memo u with it, showed me how to memo u, and i did
[12:49] <flaccid> non celeron p3 = stable
[12:50] <epimeth> _dennister: while that may be true, I have no memos....
[12:51] <_dennister> when i'm working on p4's and k7 systems, the case fan and power supply requirements are what holds me back a lot of times...p3's can be extremely fast, quieter, and less demanding
[12:51] <flaccid> its partially like that at least
[12:51] <epimeth> _dennister: you aren't registered... you might not be able to send memos
[12:52] <_dennister> epimeth: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[12:52] <_dennister> epimeth: actually, i was using my registered nic (on a different machine) when i memo'ed u
[12:53] <_dennister> but never mind...i love minimal install cd's...not so many updates after install is done
[12:54] <epimeth> seriously... I'm totally bookmarking it.  cheers!
[12:54] <Fyl0n> I've downed 8.10 Kubuntu and the memtest86+ does not work correctly!
[12:54] <Fyl0n> just to let you guys know :)
[12:54] <flaccid> !bugs | Fyl0n
[12:55] <_dennister> np...i get so much help on this channel it's good to know I can return the favour sometimes, at least
[12:55] <flaccid> minimal is only good for servers/non guis but yeah
[12:55] <flaccid> it rox for servers. even though i wouldn't use ubuntu as a server myself
[12:56] <epimeth> flaccid: actually, I wouldn't mind.  it takes a bit longer to secure than debian but the packages are much more user friendly
[12:56] <_dennister> flaccid: no? what would u use?
[12:56] <Fyl0n> bugs.launchpad is down
[12:56] <epimeth> flaccid: but on the other hand, when you get a server running on debian you get a good feeling :-)
[12:57] <flaccid> epimeth, yeah debian is what i use for linux server, no reason for ubuntu..
[12:57] <flaccid> _dennister, i use bsd systems like freebsd when i do server
[12:58] <_dennister> not that I intend to switch this server...my son's still too much of a reluctant linux newb to give him something else now that he's finally warming up to linux
[12:58] <epimeth> flaccid: lets just say that I set up my dhcp and dns servers in ubuntu much quicker than I did in debian... I did it in debian first so I had the experience, but in ubuntu the default files have a lot more documentation
[12:58] <flaccid> yeah well samba is going to be pretty much the same on any unix
[12:58] <epimeth> lol... useless without rtfming :-)
[12:59] <epimeth> at least if you want anything more than just a file share
[12:59] <flaccid> epimeth, ah i guess i see your point. i kind of archive my configs for those services so it doesn't matter which OS. but i can see your point
[12:59] <epimeth> yea well I messed up and didn't save them :-/
[12:59] <flaccid> hehe
[12:59] <flaccid> i gtg have dinner bbl
[12:59] <epimeth> adios
[12:59] <flaccid> cia0
[13:00] <_dennister> but i got given a lovely dual-p3 server board 2 days ago, so I'll be building more of a true server in one of my many beautiful server towers here
[13:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> &j #xubuntu
[13:00] <_dennister> flaccid: later
[13:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> help
[13:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> i am on ubuntu 5.10 i think its name is breezy or something like that
[13:00] <epimeth> flaccid: I tried freebsd once... I could not figure out how to do *anything*... but then again it was my second nix experience after Mandrake so in retrospect I think I aimed a bit too high
[13:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> i need you to help me change the repositories to new ones
[13:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> i know i have to go to this gedit type file where i have to erase everything
[13:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> and paste something new
[13:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> i did it a couple of hours before with someonne elses help but i dont know how to do it on my own
[13:01] <flaccid> epimeth, the freebsd handbook is all you need. cia0 for now
[13:01] <flaccid> !enter | CostaRicanQuaker
[13:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> i need this to be able to upgrade to kubuntu
[13:01] <epimeth> CostaRicanQuaker: you have to upgrade in stages... you can't upgrade straight from 5.10 to 8.10
[13:01] <_dennister> k, gotta reboot and fiddle with hardware a bit...now that the gparted op is finally done...later folks
[13:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> i iknow i know but i did it before
[13:02] <Dr_willis> I belive one can upgrade from one LTS to another.. but  ive never tried that.
[13:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> somehow this guy helped me do it, there was this gedit type file with lots of # init and i had to erase them and paste something new some new repos or something and then i did somehting like sudo apt get install kubuntu desktop
[13:03] <epimeth> CostaRicanQuaker: it might be faster to just reinstall... but if you want to upgrade anyway, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes#From%205.10%20to%206.06%20LTS
[13:03] <Dr_willis> CostaRicanQuaker,  its 'kubuntu-desktop' :)
[13:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> and it went well btui had to reinstall windows and since grub was killed then i had to reinstallubuntu but i relly wnt kubuntu long story since last inght the alternate and live cds wouldnt work etc
[13:04] <Dr_willis> You can repair grub without reinstalling.  Grub is one of those tools thats worth reading up on and learning the details of.
[13:04] <epimeth> CostaRicanQuaker: you should probably download the newest CD, too :-)
[13:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> no
[13:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> i already diod this
[13:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> it was nice and easy with
[13:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> this guy who helped me on here, so all i need is some sort of code i have to paste into where all the ## lines were and then sudo apt get install something like that
[13:05] <epimeth> Dr_willis: speaking of which... why doesn't at least the alternate CD offer that?  I should mention that in the brainfarm or whatever canonical called it....
[13:05] <epimeth> CostaRicanQuaker: the link I sent you has all that info
[13:06] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  ive think ive seen it mentioned on brainstorm, and yes. i think there should be a 'repair the boot loader' option on the live cd as well
[13:06] <Dr_willis> and perhaps some other fix-common-problem tools as well. :)
[13:06] <kurumin> tem aqui alguem q fale portugues
[13:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok then i-ll bookmark it and check it out laer i gotta go have breakfast with my girlfriend
[13:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> cheerio
[13:07] <kurumin> se tem por fvr responde tou um pouco perdido
[13:08] <epimeth> Dr_willis: how about a "read my mind and do whatever I want you to" option?
[13:08] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  'sudo apt-get install esp' :)
[13:09] <epimeth> kurumin: hablas espanol o portugues?
[13:10] <DistroJockey> epimeth, #ubuntu-es
[13:11] <epimeth> Dr_willis: thats like xkcd's real programmers joke...
[13:11] <epimeth> DistroJockey: I wa asking kurumin if he was speaking spanish or portugues, so I can tell him which channel to go to... but thanks :-)
[13:11] <DistroJockey> epimeth, ohh, so sorry
[13:14] <epimeth> Dr_willis: http://xkcd.com/378/
[13:16] <epimeth> DistroJockey: itsok
[13:19] <leaf__> Hey, baby!!
[13:23] <clusby> Anyone know if there are any digikam 0.1 packages around?
[13:39] <TheFuzzball> does anyone know how to stop SVN from pausing while checking out KDE?
[13:40] <TheFuzzball> It pauses and I have to kill svn which means I have to cleanup and then when I run svn up I have to delete a big load of what I just downloaded because it is complaining that the file is already there, and then when I finally get it updating it just pauses again 5 minutes later.
[13:40] <TheFuzzball> does anyone know a way around this?
[13:43] <rysiek> TheFuzzball: try #svn or #kde
[13:44] <rysiek> TheFuzzball: it should be more within the topic there, and more people should be able to help
[13:44] <TheFuzzball> ok, thanks :)
[13:45] <TheKiNG> I need assistance.
[13:45] <TheKiNG> If I try to install Kubuntu via the boot menu, it stops at Loading local scripts
[13:46] <TheKiNG> Sometimes it will go directly to the terminal without me telling it to.
[13:46] <TheKiNG> Now I'm trying to use Wubi
[13:47] <TheKiNG> And no matter what, the program says the drive is in use by another program
[13:47] <TheKiNG> Even when it isnt.
[13:47] <nitish> anyone there
[13:48] <nitish> I have a problem in my Kubuntu System
[13:48] <nitish> Sometimes it connects to the net and sometimes it doesn't
[13:48] <nitish> I have tried n still not found the cause of this problem
[13:49] <Noroi> hello
[13:50] <Noroi> anyone around?
[14:06] <EightiesK> !virtualbox
[14:42] <amen> hai
[14:48] <nullkuhl> guys, i am trying to install hardy heron now, when i read the preparing disk space part, i choose manual, but it keeps sacnning disks for ever and i think the process freezes, can any one help plz ?
[14:50] <nullkuhl> guys, i am trying to install hardy heron now, when i read the preparing disk space part, i choose manual, but it keeps sacnning disks for ever and i think the process freezes, can any one help plz ?
[15:17]  * eduardopl is away: Gone away for now.
[15:22] <NoRoI> hello
[15:23] <NoRoI> Anyone around here in IRC?
[15:23] <trappist> not me
[15:23] <trappist> irc is for losers
[15:23] <NoRoI> i dunno about that...
[15:23] <jussi01> NoRoI: can we help you?
[15:24] <NoRoI> yeah i need help
[15:24] <NoRoI> In Ubuntu
[15:24]  * jussi01 slaps trappist's hand, naughty!
[15:24] <NoRoI> 8.04
[15:24] <trappist> jussi01: you're right :/
[15:24] <NoRoI> I cannot run video files
[15:24] <jussi01> NoRoI: ubuntu or kubunut
[15:24] <NoRoI> kubuntu sorry
[15:24] <jussi01> NoRoI: let me guess wmv files?
[15:25] <NoRoI> all type of video format files
[15:25] <jussi01> NoRoI: you know how to install things?
[15:25] <NoRoI> hmm yeah
[15:25] <jussi01> NoRoI: install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[15:25] <NoRoI> I had installed the win32 codecs also
[15:25] <NoRoI> hmm
[15:26] <NoRoI> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:26] <NoRoI> that's it right
[15:26] <jussi01> correct, although I prefer aptitude
[15:26] <NoRoI> hmm
[15:26] <jussi01> just change apt-get and aptitude
[15:26] <NoRoI> aptitude instead of apt-get
[15:26] <jussi01> :)
[15:26] <NoRoI> hmm
[15:27] <NoRoI> then anymore settings needed
[15:27] <NoRoI> I am a newbie to linux so asking...
[15:27] <NoRoI> Sorry if i am a bother
[15:27] <jussi01> shouldnt be
[15:27] <NoRoI> ok
[15:28] <jussi01> NoRoI: that package also gives you flash and mp3 etc
[15:28] <NoRoI> oh
[15:29] <NoRoI> cool
[15:29] <NoRoI> about the internet configs
[15:29] <trappist> ya know, I hope all these openoffice updates are more important than they look.  downloading 100+MB of updates every coupla days is getting obnoxious.
[15:29] <NoRoI> Sometimes it connects and sometimes it doesn't
[15:30] <NoRoI> even the pon dsl-provider command doesn't work
[15:32] <jussi01> NoRoI: Im sorry, I dont have an answer to that problem. hopefully someone else can help.
[15:32] <NoRoI> ok
[15:32] <jussi01> NoRoI: remember everyone here is a volunteer
[15:32] <NoRoI> Thanks man for the video files problem
[15:32] <NoRoI> volunteer for??/
[15:33] <jussi01> NoRoI: Helping people with their problems
[15:33] <NoRoI> yeah i will try my best to contribute too
[15:34] <Dr_willis> i wonder if im the only one that often removes openoffice..  since i rarely use it and i dont want to have the huge updates.
[15:38] <jagggy> hey, where does kde save his menu's ? (the start menu is the one i'm looking for)
[15:38] <nitin> Dr_willis: in openoffice is there something like alt+ (say 0197) and it displays certain character like winword?
[15:39] <Dr_willis> nitin,  no idea. Only thing i ever use openoffice is the spread sheet. and i rarely use that.
[15:39] <NoRoI> Is it required to install opengl drivers for 3D desktop effects?
[15:39] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. someone wish to check http://www.700wlw.com/main.html and see if the 'listen live' link works for them under linux?  They suggest using the mozilla-mplayer plugin (which i have installed) but its not working for me.
[15:40] <NoRoI> because i am not able to activate the desktop effects
[15:40] <Dr_willis> NoRoI,  OpenGl drivers? Hmm.. i dont recall ever installing such a thing.
[15:40] <Dr_willis> I do install the 3d drivers for my Video card. if thats what you mean.
[15:40] <NoRoI> yeah more or less that's what i mean
[15:41] <NoRoI> But the main point is my desktop effects ain't getting activated
[15:42] <Dr_willis> You need the actual 3d drivers for your video card , then  you can try 'compiz --replace' in a terminal and look for error messages
[15:42] <NoRoI> well its inbuilt
[15:43] <NoRoI> N the cd setup won't work in kubuntu
[15:43] <EagleScreen> ple a channel to talk about Intrepid features?
[15:43] <NoRoI> So i dunno what to do @ Willis
[15:43] <Dr_willis> whats 'inbuilt' ?
[15:43] <Jucato> EagleScreen: #ubuntu+1
[15:43] <EagleScreen> thanks
[15:43] <Jucato> Dr_willis: builtin
[15:43] <Jucato> or built-in
[15:44] <NoRoI> built in
[15:44] <Dr_willis> NoRoI,  that dosent mean you dont have to install drivers for it...
[15:44] <EagleScreen> there isnt #kununtu+1 ?
[15:44] <NoRoI> yeah
[15:44] <NoRoI> But
[15:44] <Dr_willis> I have onboard nvidia, and onboard intel, and onboard ati... and so on..
[15:44] <jagggy> anyone?
[15:44] <NoRoI> I don't know where to get the drivers from?
[15:44] <Dr_willis> NoRoI,  #1  - determine what chipset the card is..
[15:44] <NoRoI> hmm i am a newbie
[15:45] <NoRoI> nvidia nforce
[15:45] <Dr_willis> most all the 3d drivers are installable with the hardware-driver tool.
[15:45] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[15:45] <NoRoI> ok
[15:45] <jagggy> where does kde save his menu's ? (the start menu is the one i'm looking for)
[15:45] <Dr_willis> kde generates the menu from the various .desktop files
[15:45] <Jucato> jagggy: there is no single place ala Windows, if that's what you're looking for
[15:46] <Dr_willis> user changes to the menus are saved in the users .kde dir I belive.. or somewhere in their home.
[15:46] <jagggy> Dr_willis and what about the menu that pops up when you click the K in the left down corner?
[15:46] <Jucato> it's a combination of .desktop files per item (as Dr_willis mentioned) and XML files that determine the general structure/category
[15:46] <Dr_willis> jagggy,  what other menu are you talking about?  thats the only one i know of. :)  and thats the one i was talking about
[15:46] <Jucato> it (basically, or tries to) follows FreeDesktop.org standards
[15:47] <jagggy> ok :p
[15:47] <Dr_willis> Yea. Freedesktop.org is doing some good work in this area.
[15:47] <Dr_willis> and other areas.
[15:47] <Jucato> jagggy: it's a bit more complicated if you come from Windows, but it's more flexible and powerful in the long run (and works across desktops)
[15:47] <NoRoI> so what do i do for the 3D drivers?
[15:48] <jagggy> Jucato i don't come from windows, i come from fluxbox xD
[15:48] <Jucato> ah well, I heard fluxbox didn't comply :P
[15:48] <Jucato> (j/k... I heard nothing)
[15:50] <NoRoI> anymore IRC channels??
[15:50] <Jucato> (patience would help :)
[15:51] <NoRoI> i am just asking
[15:51] <NoRoI> This is my first time here also :D
[15:52] <Dr_willis> Memo to self.. rember plug in laptop when using it at home.. :)
[15:54] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I learned that too while deeply engaged in a game :)
[15:54] <Jucato> NoRoI: what video card? Have you checked K Menu -> Settings (or is it System?) -> Restricted Drivers (or something...)?
[15:55] <NoRoI> well
[15:55] <NoRoI> was installing that
[15:55] <NoRoI> Now i will check it
[15:57] <NoRoI> hey
[15:57] <NoRoI> What is the command for uninstalling an application??
[15:58] <Jucato> sudo apt-get remove <package_name>
[16:00] <NoRoI> i did the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:00] <Jucato> NoRoI: um.. that's not for drivers....
[16:00] <NoRoI> but i don seem to find the restricted extras in system
[16:00] <Jucato> that's for codecs and plugins.. nothing to do with hardware
[16:01] <hyakuhei> Hi all, I currently have a LUKS/LVM ubuntu install. Is there a way to make the installer see this properly so I can format/install kubuntu into the current lvm '/' root without clobbering all of my other files ?
[16:01] <butchoy> how can I add another panel?...
[16:02] <NoRoI> what's for the drivers then?
[16:03] <Jucato> NoRoI: K Menu -> System -> Restricted Drivers (or something like that)
[16:03] <Jucato> it's already installed by default
[16:03] <NoRoI> nope not there
[16:03] <NoRoI> Well
[16:03] <Jucato> K Menu -> Settings?
[16:03] <Jucato> what version of Kubuntu?
[16:04] <NoRoI> hmm
[16:04] <NoRoI> i had Ubuntu 8.04
[16:04] <Jucato> hm..
[16:04] <Jucato> do you have a K Menu -> Settings menu?
[16:07] <NoRoI> Had
[16:07] <NoRoI> yeah i have
[16:07] <butchoy_> how can I add a new pane?...
[16:07] <butchoy_> sorry if my question is repeated..
[16:07] <NoRoI> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras lol din for codecs either
[16:07] <NoRoI> Still video files do run
[16:08] <butchoy_> so i need to be a sudoer?...
[16:08] <jon__> hi i am on kubuntu hardy heron aand i have an audio problem
[16:08] <jon__> i cannot record sounds on my mic input
[16:08] <Jucato> NoRoI: sorry.. K Menu -> System -> Hardware Drivers Manager
[16:08] <jon__> it sounds on the speakers but does not record in apps like krecord
[16:08] <NoRoI> nothing is there in that
[16:08] <NoRoI> @jucato
[16:09] <Jucato> NoRoI: I said "Restricted Drivers" earlier. wrong name
[16:10] <NoRoI> yeah
[16:10] <NoRoI> well i don have anything in the hardware Drivers manager either
[16:11] <Jucato> it was supposed to be Hardware Drivers Manager.. if it's not there, can you please check if jockey-kde is installed
[16:11] <alfred> hallo
[16:12] <NoRoI> its there
[16:12] <NoRoI> But within that nothings present
[16:12] <Jucato> ah
[16:12] <alfred> hello i am a german boy
[16:12] <Jucato> NoRoI: btw, you haven't answered what video card you have
[16:12] <NoRoI> video card
[16:13] <Jucato> NoRoI: what video card? what brand/model?
[16:13] <NoRoI> its builtin
[16:13] <Jucato> Intel?
[16:13] <NoRoI> Asus
[16:13] <Jucato> oh...
[16:13] <Jucato> hm.. I don't think there's a driver with 3d acceleration for that...
[16:14] <NoRoI> hmmmmm
[16:14] <Jucato> what is the output of "glxinfo | grep render"?
[16:14] <Jucato> (run that in Konsole)
[16:15] <NoRoI> direct rendering: Yes
[16:15] <NoRoI> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI UniChrome 20060710 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0000:   f0000001  00000300  f0000006  00000001
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0010:   f000000b  00000000  f000000c  00180200
[16:15] <Jucato> ah, it's using software rendering
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0020:   f000000d  00180200  f000000e  80200020
[16:15] <Jucato> um...
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0030:   f0000002  00000000  f0000003  00000000
[16:15] <Jucato> you don't have to paste everything!
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0040:   f0000004  00000000  f0000000  f0002001
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0050:   f000000b  00000000  f210f110  00010000
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0060:   cccccccc  cccccccc  cccccccc  cccccccc
[16:15] <NoRoI> 0070:   cccccccc  cccccccc  cccccccc  cccccccc
[16:15] <NoRoI> ******************************************
[16:15] <NoRoI> fire_buffer: DRM_VIA_PCICMD returned -22
[16:15] <NoRoI> this is the output
[16:16] <NoRoI> sorry for that
[16:16] <Jucato> next time, don't paste *everything* in here :/
[16:16] <Pici> use a !pastebin next time
[16:16] <NoRoI> So temme the solution ???
[16:16] <jon__> anyone can help i cannot record mic in
[16:16] <Jucato> NoRoI: it's using software rendering, except that.. it's a unichrome... I don't think desktop effects wil work with that...
[16:17] <NoRoI> hmmm
[16:17]  * Jucato is not sure about the video card...
[16:17] <NoRoI> how do it to work with the hardware?
[16:18] <Jucato> well, you just have basic funtionality.. no fancy effects as far as I know
[16:24] <NoRoI> jucato
[16:30] <llutz> Moin
[16:31] <jon__>  hi all!, i cannot record my mic input using any software runnig hardy kubuntu i have tried jack but no avail. the mic input sound can be heard on the speaker, also audacity doesnt even detect the mic, inbuilt soundcard
[16:32] <Dr_willis> !mic
[16:32] <Dr_willis> :(
[16:32] <jon__> Dr_willis mic as in microphone
[16:32] <jon__> ubottu mic as in microphone
[16:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[16:32] <Dr_willis> !microphone
[16:33] <Dr_willis> !record
[16:33] <Dr_willis> Sorry  - i cant even find a factoid on it.
[16:33] <TheKiNG> Is anybody there?
[16:33] <Dr_willis> TheKiNG,  Lots of us
[16:33] <TheKiNG> lol.
[16:33] <TheKiNG> can you help me?
[16:34] <Jucato> !anybody
[16:34] <TheKiNG> lol.
[16:34] <TheKiNG> k.
[16:34] <TheKiNG> well...i tried to install kubuntu
[16:34] <TheKiNG> and... it never shows up
[16:34] <ernesto> hey..
[16:34] <TheKiNG> KDE never shows up at all
[16:34] <TheKiNG> most of the time the loader stops at Loading local scripts
[16:35] <TheKiNG> right now, its just a black screen
[16:35] <Dr_willis> loading local scripts is the last thing the init system does.. X should of started befor that.
[16:35] <Dr_willis>  do you see a LOGIN: prompt?
[16:36] <TheKiNG> nope.
[16:36] <TheKiNG> it stops right there.
[16:36] <Dr_willis> thats weird. What version of Kubuntu was this? hardy/8.4 ?
[16:36] <TheKiNG> yup.
[16:37] <ernesto> -new icq version? pidgin does not work... ... somehow
[16:37] <Dr_willis> laptop/desktop? what video card?
[16:37] <TheKiNG> desktop
[16:37] <TheKiNG> S3 Video card.
[16:37] <Dr_willis> s3? ICK ICK ICK>>>>> :)
[16:37] <crator>       can anyone tell me how to reset my audio system in kubuntu?
[16:37] <TheKiNG> but the point is is that my other kubuntu versions work
[16:38] <Dr_willis> I see quite a few people with S3's and problems in here eveyr week..  not sure of the proper way to fix them either.
[16:38] <TheKiNG> ...........................
[16:38] <Dr_willis> the older kubuntu works eh? now thats interesting.
[16:38] <TheKiNG> yeah
[16:38] <TheKiNG> 7.04 worked fantastic.
[16:38] <Dr_willis> You may want to try disabling the framebuffer  console from the boot menu, and  use 'nosplash' so you can see any error messages.
[16:39] <TheKiNG> k.
[16:39] <Dr_willis> at least that way you can hopefully get to the console, and see a login, and any error messages.
[16:40] <Dr_willis> You could try alt-ctrl-f1 now - and see if its a black screenbecause its on tty7 and showing a dead X :)
[16:40] <ernesto> anybody out there knowing something about the icq problem ?
[16:40] <TheKiNG> k.
[16:43] <TheKiNG> Dr_willis: its in the terminal
[16:43] <TheKiNG> it wont start X
[16:43] <Dr_willis> ernesto,  you might want to check the forum.
[16:43] <Dr_willis> TheKiNG,  At least you can begin troubleshooting now.
[16:43] <TheKiNG> i dont know how to disable framebuffer.
[16:44] <Dr_willis> TheKiNG,  I edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst to make the 'nofb' option the default
[16:44] <TheKiNG> k
[16:44] <ernesto> ... i will thx
[16:44] <ernesto> but which forum :P ?
[16:45] <Dr_willis> # defoptions=quiet splash --> becomes    # defoptions= nosplash nofb
[16:45] <Dr_willis> for most of my needs. :)
[16:45] <TheKiNG> k.
[16:46] <Dr_willis> then rerun 'sudo update-grub' after changing the file. that way nosplash/nofb is the default for all kernels. :) just in case..
[16:46] <Dr_willis> You can reneable it later.
[16:46] <Dr_willis> so if you got a login: then you can login, and try 'startx' to see what sort of error messages you may get
[16:46] <TheKiNG> i got nothing
[16:47] <Dr_willis> No messages/information at all? startx does what ? just returns?
[16:47] <TheKiNG> yeah
[16:47] <TheKiNG> hold on
[16:48] <TheKiNG> screens found but none has a usable config
[16:48] <Dr_willis> sounds like the x config is confused. Been seeing that a lot under the latest release. :(
[16:49] <Dr_willis> You could try -> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[16:49] <Dr_willis>   
[16:49] <Dr_willis> it might make a better config for you
[16:49] <TheKiNG> k
[16:50] <Dr_willis> I often cheat and have my old X configs archived. :) on a few box's ive taken the older ubuntu x configs and copied them to hardy.
[16:50] <TheKiNG> nice
[16:50] <Dr_willis> The newer X stuff tries to do a 'keep xorg.conf minimal, and auto configure as needed' mentality.. and it has issues at times
[16:51] <TheKiNG> no
[16:51] <TheKiNG> pe
[16:51] <TheKiNG> *nope
[16:51] <TheKiNG> still the same errors.
[16:52] <Dr_willis> You may want to check the forums for any other s3 users and what they may of done.
[16:52] <TheKiNG> k
[16:52] <Dr_willis> I got mad at one problem box..and deleted (renamed) my xorg.conf so i dident even have one.. then just tried 'startx' and it worked.. :)
[16:53] <Dr_willis> x totally auto-configed that time.
[16:53] <Dr_willis> totally suprised me.
[16:55] <TheKiNG> well..there is a fix
[16:55] <TheKiNG> but... i cant get it
[16:56] <TheKiNG> because it wont work
[16:56] <TheKiNG> (on the CD)
[16:56] <Dr_willis> You may want to try installing with the alternative cd. if you cant get the live cd working.
[16:56] <Coggz> hi all, i have a major problem with tzdata package...
[16:58] <Dr_willis> well good luck. Bed time for me
[16:59] <sigma_12> whats so good with ext4 compared to ext3?
[16:59] <muesli> higher number
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[16:59] <sigma_12> gee i would think so
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> real quick question
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> Ive paired my phone with bluetooth
[17:00] <muesli> sigma_12: http://www.linuxinsight.com/first_benchmarks_of_the_ext4_file_system.html
[17:00] <muesli> http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> if i change its mode from connectable to discoverable will it still comuniocate with my phone but block all other connections??
[17:01] <Coggz> tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[17:01] <Coggz> what do i do
[17:05]  * eduardopl is away: Gone away for now.
[17:05]  * eduardopl is back.
[17:05] <jussi01> !away > eduardopl
[17:05] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ are you installing with apt?
[17:06] <Coggz> yes
[17:07] <Coggz> tried apt-get, aptitude and synaptic
[17:08] <sub[t]rnl> have you tried to --reinstall with apt?
[17:08] <Coggz> yes
[17:08] <Coggz> all make that error
[17:08] <Coggz> tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[17:10] <sub[t]rnl> does the shell script send the error when you try to remove the package?
[17:11] <timri> I want to file a bug, so I type "bug" in the searchbox on Ubuntu.com, but I am redirected to the "Employment" page, with a list of available jobs. So now I want to file two bugs. Question: where?
[17:12] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[17:12] <Coggz> yep
[17:12] <sub[t]rnl> !bug
[17:12] <timri> sub[t]rnl: Thx
[17:13] <NoRoI> anyone here tell me how to solve video problem inkubuntu
[17:13] <NoRoI> I cannot view video files...
[17:13] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ show me 	cat /var/lib/dpkg/info tzdata.postinst |head -n 1
[17:14] <NoRoI> ne1
[17:15] <timri> "Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible."... must be my lucky day :)
[17:18] <boggystudios> After installing the nvidia drivers and turning off my computer for the night I wake up and the screen resolution is set to 640x480, any ideas why?  It was working fine to begin with.
[17:19] <timri> boggystudios: Had the same pb here (geforce 6150 + old IBM G41 monitor), needed to edit xorg.conf manually
[17:19] <NoRoI> I have a problem viewing video files
[17:19] <NoRoI> any solution to it????
[17:20] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl:
[17:20] <Coggz> cat: /var/lib/dpkg/info: Is a directory
[17:20] <Coggz> cat: tzdata.postinst: No such file or directory
[17:20] <timri> NoRol: Could you be more specific
[17:20] <NoRoI> i did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:20] <NoRoI> But no use
[17:20] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ sorry, cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst |head -n 1
[17:20] <boggystudios> NoRol: I will try that.
[17:20] <NoRoI> I cannot view any .avi or .wmv or .mpg
[17:20] <timri> NoRoI: What player are you using?
[17:21] <jussi01> !pm > NoRoI
[17:21] <NoRoI> tried it on all available players
[17:21] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl: #! /bin/sh
[17:21] <jussi01> NoRoI: what is the error message?
[17:21] <NoRoI> oh sorry ubottu
[17:21] <NoRoI> Its my first time here so din't know the rules
[17:21] <jussi01> ubottu is a bot
[17:21] <NoRoI> I will keep that in mind
[17:22] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ odd, try removing the tzdata files in that directory then removing the package then.
[17:22] <NoRoI> hmm
[17:22] <NoRoI> If its a .mpg file
[17:22] <NoRoI> Then it says no proper codec or something like that
[17:22] <NoRoI> N if its .avi,.wmv
[17:23] <jussi01> NoRoI: and you are sure the kubuntu restricted extras package installed correctly?
[17:23] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata* && sudo apt-get --purge remove tzdata
[17:23] <NoRoI> then the video is run with a tria type colouring and the mouse moves in frames
[17:23] <NoRoI> I did what u told
[17:24] <NoRoI> N it did install with sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:25] <maltedik> may i be the only one whos icq-protocol in kopete went down (7.10)?
[17:25] <NoRoI> !pm
[17:25] <NoRoI> oh
[17:26] <NoRoI> any solutions @ jussi
[17:27] <jussi01> NoRoI: please just try this command again  sudo aptitude install kubuntu-resticted-extras      - to make sure everything went right. if it is already installed it will say no packages to install (or something similar)
[17:28] <NoRoI> helllo
[17:28] <jussi01> NoRoI: patience!
[17:28] <jussi01> !tab | NoRoI
[17:29] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl:
[17:29] <Coggz> You are about to do something potentially harmful
[17:29] <Coggz> To continue type in the phrase ‘Yes, do as I say!’
[17:29] <NoRoI> it says 0 packages installed
[17:30] <NoRoI> means all packages were properly installed
[17:30] <Coggz> The following packages will be REMOVED
[17:30] <Coggz>   language-pack-en* language-pack-en-base* language-pack-kde-en*
[17:30] <Coggz>   language-pack-kde-en-base* locales* sun-java6-bin* sun-java6-jre*
[17:30] <Coggz>   sun-java6-plugin* tzdata* ubuntu-minimal* util-linux* util-linux-locales*
[17:31] <Coggz> any idea???
[17:31] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, don't do that
[17:32] <Coggz> seriously not cool, i presume
[17:32] <sub[t]rnl> try reinstalling the tzdata package now that you've remove the problem scripts from /var/lib/dpkg/info
[17:32] <Coggz> ok, ill try
[17:33] <jussi01> NoRoI: hrm, which graphics card do you have and which driver are you using?
[17:33] <NoRoI> well my graphic support is builtin
[17:34] <NoRoI> I am using an Asus BOard
[17:34] <jussi01> NoRoI: please go to terminal and type lspci
[17:34] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl:  unfortunately, my pc is running as the same speed as a snail on weed, so it is taking ages to do anything
[17:34] <jussi01> then look for the graphics card and tell me what it is :)
[17:34] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ hehe, not a problem
[17:37] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl: it is for me, i typed in the reinstall command, and nil
[17:37] <sub[t]rnl> still giving error status 10?
[17:38] <NoRoI> Via technologies
[17:38] <lakis1982> hi .. i have installed java on my kubuntu but when i open firefox and i go into a site with java applet it shows me a message saying missing plugins required .... why ???
[17:39] <lakis1982> with konqueror sites with java applets open with no problem
[17:39] <jussi01> NoRoI: please give me the whole line (just 1 line)
[17:39] <NoRoI> there are so many lines
[17:40] <NoRoI> VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video
[17:40] <jussi01> NoRoI: I mean the one pertaining to your gfx card
[17:40] <jussi01> NoRoI: ahhh
[17:41] <NoRoI> what do i do?
[17:41] <jussi01> NoRoI: have you installed the restricted driver?
[17:41] <jussi01> !ati | NoRoI
[17:41] <jussi01> NoRoI: there is a how to there
[17:41] <alexei> Hi, all! What is wrong with QT font handling here: http://imagebin.org/21832. How do I fix it? KDE fonts are displayed all right. I inhereted home directory with rc-files from SuSE.
[17:42] <Coggz> yes, exactly the same as before sub[t]rnl
[17:43] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ ugh, not sure.  is dpkg complaining about dependencies?
[17:44] <Coggz> Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:44] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ try using -f with apt-get to install/remove the package..  gotta run for a bit
[17:45] <Coggz> thanks for teh help
[17:45] <sub[t]rnl> Coggz➜ found something on launchpad, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/151449
[17:45] <sub[t]rnl> think theres a solution at the bottom
[17:46] <sub[t]rnl> try installing util-linux (if it isn't) and have a look at the link
[17:48] <NoRoI> should i use ati or nvidia?@jussi
[17:48] <jussi01> NoRoI: neither - see the via drivers section
[17:48] <Coggz> sub[t]rnl: what would happen if i did remove all those programs that are dependant on tzdata, then reinstalled them?
[17:50] <NoRoI> its for openchrome
[17:50] <NoRoI> Mine is Unichrome i think
[17:50] <nuccio> ciao
[17:51] <Haza1> Afternoon folks. can someone tell how to fix a problem i have with loading the adept program
[17:51] <Haza1> I get the message that another program is being run and i have to close it first
[17:51] <Coggz> do you have synaptic open?
[17:51] <Coggz> or any other package program?
[17:51] <Haza1> Although ive restarted my desktop and this application (that i cannot see) is still running as far as adept is concerned
[17:51] <hannibal> moin leute
[17:51] <Haza1> Coggz: Not that i know of mate
[17:52] <Coggz> there is a lockfile somewhere... i cant remember where, but i think you must delete it then it will work
[17:52] <Haza1> Coggz: So this may be a bug?
[17:52] <NoRoI> hello
[17:52] <jussi01> !aptfix
[17:52] <NoRoI> @jussi
[17:52] <Coggz> or, look in proccess manager and kill apt(synaptic etc..)
[17:53] <jussi01> NoRoI: patience!!
[17:53] <Coggz> thanx jussi01
[17:53] <Haza1> jussio1: That sounds like a complex command. can i ask what it does? :)
[17:53] <Letauro> hi everybody.... I'm from buenos aires.....
[17:53] <timri> alexei: Do you have enableXft=true and useXft=true in your qtrc ?
[17:53] <jussi01> Haza1: removes the lock file then fixes dpkg
[17:54] <Haza1> jussio1: I will take your word for it and give it a shot! :)
[17:54] <Haza1> And that is two seperate sudo commands above right?
[17:54] <jussi01> Haza1: its from the bot so therefore sanctioned by the ops :)
[17:54] <jussi01> no
[17:54] <Coggz> yep,
[17:54] <Haza1> jussio1: Just one long command?
[17:55] <Haza1> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a    <--
[17:55] <Coggz> yes
[17:55] <jussi01> Haza1: you can run it all at once, th ; seperates them
[17:55] <NoRoI> glxinfo | grep render gives Mesa DRI UniChrome 20060710 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 @ jussi
[17:55] <jussi01> makes things a little easier
[17:55] <Haza1> jussio1: Coggz. Cheers guys. I will give it a shot :)
[17:55] <NoRoI> So openchrome won't work
[17:55] <pc_> l
[17:56] <jussi01> NoRoI: read: http://wiki.openchrome.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Different+Unichrome+family+display+drivers
[17:56] <pc_> l
[17:56] <Haza1> jussio1: Coggz. Heheh, looks like adept may have crashed when i was *trying* to instal PostgreSQL
[17:57] <Coggz> aha...
[17:57] <pc_> .
[17:57] <Coggz> always a simple explanation... Haza1
[17:57] <Haza1> jussio1: Coggz: Thats fixed it guys. Thanks a bunch! :)
[17:57] <pc_> .
[17:58] <alexei> timri: yes and yes. I empirically fixed that. My $HOME contained ~/.fonts.conf with ?agressive? AA-settings. I renamed it. No idea why KDE did not respect the same QT settings ...
[17:58] <Coggz> im having 'fun' with apt/dpkg
[17:59] <Haza1> One more question. Any good recommendations for desktop capturing software for Kubuntu? Something lightweight and easy to use?
[18:00] <Coggz> Haza1: i have had lots of probs with desktop capturing...
[18:00] <Haza1> Coggz: Really? :(
[18:01] <Coggz> Haza1: if you find anything please pass it to my email
[18:01] <Haza1> No problems Coggz!
[18:02] <lakis1982> my java in firefox does not start after installing java
[18:02] <lakis1982> but java in konqueror does start normally
[18:03] <Coggz> bye dudes :]
[18:06] <alexei> now fo general education of a former suse user: what is the closes equivalent of "rpm -qf /some/random/file" which tells the package name?
[18:06] <alexei> *for
[18:06] <jussi01> lakis1982: tried installing the kubuntu-restricted-extras package?
[18:06] <llutz> alexei: dpkg -S file
[18:06] <timri> lakis1982: For firefox you also have to install the plugin
[18:07] <lakis1982> i installed kubuntu restricted but it didnt work either\
[18:07] <alexei> llutz: not bad! I thought I will have to live without it! Thanks.
[18:07] <lakis1982> the firefox plugin is installed but it doesnt appear it the plugin list when i write about:plugins in firefox
[18:08] <lakis1982> i have also restarted pc
[18:09] <llutz> alexei: it's a nice life without rpm :)
[18:10] <Hawkeye-X> Greetings
[18:11] <Hawkeye-X> does anyone know how to partition a HD? I want to make room (about 50G's) for Vista for games.
[18:12] <jajbinks> Hawkeye-X the easiest way is to use a software like partition editor or gparted or qtpartede
[18:13] <jajbinks> Hawkeye-X assuming your primary os is linux
[18:13] <Hawkeye-X> ok. partition editor wouldn't let me resize the current size of linux
[18:13] <Hawkeye-X> and qtpartede doesn't work on Kubuntu for some reason, and I can't find gparted
[18:13] <jajbinks> Hawkeye-X if you do it with partitoion editor
[18:13] <Hawkeye-X> on my menu
[18:14] <jajbinks> Hawkeye-X you cannopt resize it because it will erase the disc
[18:14] <timri> alexei: By the way dpkg -S only works for installed files that are in packages (not for stuff created by the postinstall scripts etc.). Also it (obviously) knows nothing about not-installed packages. Use packages.ubuntu.com for those.
[18:15] <Hawkeye-X> ok
[18:15] <Hawkeye-X> so what's my next option?
[18:15] <Sylphid|work> how can i control OSS mixing in KDE?
[18:15] <Hawkeye-X> I mean, if I could find a virtual PC that runs on linux
[18:15] <joe__> hi
[18:15] <Hawkeye-X> I'd run Vista over Linux
[18:15] <joe__> !restricted
[18:15] <timri> Hawkeye-X: http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[18:15] <jajbinks> Hawkeye-X if im not wrong vista has an inbuilt partition editor that resizes without loosing data
[18:16] <Hawkeye-X> k, binks
[18:16] <Hawkeye-X> if it doesn't work I'll kill you :P
[18:16] <Hawkeye-X> brb
[18:18] <Ballena> .
[18:19] <joe__> how do you install firefox?
[18:19] <alexei> Hawkeye-X: I doubt jajbinks meant Vista can resize _linux_ partitions as well... BTW when I was installing Kubuntu the installer offered me to resize and preserve SuSE the partirion!
[18:20] <joe__> !firefox
[18:20] <jajbinks> alexei you are right forgot win cannot recognise ext3 :(
[18:20] <lakis1982> ln: creating symbolic link `./libjavaplugin_oji.so': Permission denied
[18:21] <NoRoI2> jussi
[18:21] <lakis1982> why does it says permission denied
[18:21] <lakis1982> what should i do ?
[18:21] <timri> lakis1982: http://xkcd.com/149/
[18:22] <alexei> jajbinks: he will find that out, the hard way... :-)
[18:22] <NoRoI2> i cannot find drivers for VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video @ jussi
[18:22] <jajbinks> alexei hehe
[18:22] <Sylphid|work> lakis1982, use sudo
[18:23] <lakis1982> should i add sudo in front of the command?
[18:23] <Sylphid|work> yup
[18:24] <rockprincess> lakis1982: having a firefox issue?
[18:24] <NoRoI2> jussi u there
[18:24] <lakis1982> yes
[18:24] <lakis1982> cant start java with firefox
[18:24] <rockprincess> lakis1982: hold on, i'll give you THE perfect link....let me dig it out ;)
[18:24] <lakis1982> ok ythanks
[18:25] <Hawkeye-X> ok
[18:25] <Hawkeye-X> just checked Vista install. no sign of any partition resizer
[18:25] <rockprincess> lakis1982: this will fix your problem ;) http://ubuntusite.com/how-to-make-java-plugin-work-in-firefox-kubuntu-hardy-hero/
[18:25] <Hawkeye-X> All I need to is resize my Linux partition to make space for Vista
[18:25] <alexei> lakis1982: do you see java plugin listed in "about:plugins" ?
[18:26] <lakis1982> no
[18:26] <lakis1982> i cant see it in the list
[18:26] <joe__> how do you change the screen resolution?
[18:26] <Hawkeye-X> All I need to is resize my Linux partition to make space for Vista - can anyone help? even a virtual PC that will load Windows will help
[18:27] <rockprincess> joe__: go into kde > system settings > monitor/screen
[18:27] <timri> Hawkeye-X: I already pointed you at http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[18:28] <timri> NoRoI: OpenChrome9 on linux is pretty much a disaster at the moment. If you are brave, try: http://linux.via.com.tw/support/downloadFiles.action
[18:28] <lakis1982> rockprincess
[18:28] <lakis1982> id did this to create symlink but it does not work
[18:28] <timri> NoRoI: I wont help you with it thoug ;) ....
[18:28] <NoRoI> hmm
[18:28] <alexei> lakis1982:  then trace "libjavaplugin_oji.so", firefox must be able to find it. I dont know more, new in Ubuntu.
[18:28] <rockprincess> lakis1982: what does it say? do you get an error message?
[18:29] <NoRoI> i am looking for VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video @ jussi
[18:29] <lakis1982> no it saYS FILE EXISTS
[18:29] <NoRoI> N i cannot find it
[18:29] <Hawkeye-X> timri: ok will give it a shot
[18:29] <Hawkeye-X> I just had to find a blank DVD, lol
[18:29] <NoRoI> @ timri
[18:29] <rockprincess> lakis1982: i guess you already restarted firefox?
[18:29] <NoRoI> Cannot find it on Via Arena
[18:29] <lakis1982> yes
[18:29] <rockprincess> lakis1982: which version of java did you install?
[18:29] <lakis1982> 6
[18:29] <lakis1982> exactly th same that the site says
[18:29] <joe__> how do we install firefox?
[18:30]  * Hawkeye-X mutters 'damn slow downloads' 
[18:30] <rockprincess> lakis1982: what does "java -version" say? without the "
[18:31] <alexei> lakis1982:  you cannot overwrite existing links! Look where the link is pointing by "ls -l linkname". If it is pointing nowhere "rm" it and recreate.
[18:31] <NoRoI> hello
[18:31] <rockprincess> joe__: sudo apt-get install firefox3 or you go into kde > system > adept and install it fromt there
[18:31] <NoRoI> anyone here who can help me?
[18:31] <lakis1982> java version "1.6.0_06"
[18:31] <lakis1982> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_06-b02)
[18:31] <lakis1982> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 10.0-b22, mixed mode, sharing)
[18:31] <jhutchins_wk> Hawkeye-X: One of the exercises of this channel is to avoid using foul language, even by implication or substitution.
[18:31] <NoRoI> i cannot find drivers for VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video
[18:31] <NoRoI> My built in graphic card is unichrome
[18:32] <minhaaj> somebody told me to back up home var and etc to back up
[18:32] <minhaaj> and i am screwed now
[18:32] <minhaaj> i can't get my programs t work
[18:32] <minhaaj> :s
[18:32] <timri> NoRoI: http://linux.via.com.tw/support/beginDownload.action?eleid=2&fid=157
[18:32] <Hawkeye-X> when is "damn" considered foul?
[18:32] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: Um, you can't get programs to work because you did a backup?
[18:32] <minhaaj> yep
[18:33] <minhaaj> i have all the programs in my home directory
[18:33] <minhaaj> but they won't work
[18:33] <jhutchins_wk> Hawkeye-X: Yeah, primary, derived from "taking the lord's name in vain".
[18:33] <keith_> Hawkeye-X what are you downloading
[18:33] <joe__> how do we install firefox??
[18:33] <minhaaj> they have shortcuts on desktop but no programs
[18:33] <minhaaj> joe__:  got apt-get and type firefox
[18:33] <Hawkeye-X> keith_: gparted live tux
[18:33] <minhaaj> and instal it
[18:33] <Hawkeye-X> i just remembered that I had a torrent running
[18:33] <jhutchins_wk> joe__: aptitude install firefox
[18:33] <Hawkeye-X> I stopped it, speed went up
[18:33] <Hawkeye-X> 237k
[18:33] <Hawkeye-X> Earlier I was getting 97
[18:34] <minhaaj> any idea i could get my programs to work ?
[18:34] <lakis1982> i made it
[18:34] <lakis1982> thanks a lot
[18:34] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: Did you reinstall then restore from backup?  Or did you do a backup that removed what you backed up?
[18:34] <Hawkeye-X> !firefox
[18:34] <dfaure> Xrealvnc segfaults in kubuntu gutsy :((  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc/+bug/155672
[18:34] <minhaaj> i tar.gzed the home var and etc directories
[18:34] <minhaaj> and simply pasted the contents in relevant directories in new installation
[18:34] <minhaaj> and it won't work
[18:34] <minhaaj> when i overwrite etc my kubuntu simply crashes
[18:35] <minhaaj> when i paste var it crashes
[18:35] <jhutchins_wk> Yep.
[18:35] <minhaaj> when i rewrite home it would give me my configurations and desktop and programs back
[18:35] <minhaaj> but it won't work
[18:35] <minhaaj> i mean most of them won't work
[18:35] <minhaaj> only kopete, and konversation works
[18:35] <jhutchins_wk> Blanket pasting /etc and /var is pretty much guaranteed to mess up the system.
[18:36] <minhaaj> so how do you do it ?
[18:36] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: The only safe thing to restore is /home.
[18:36] <minhaaj> i tried sudo
[18:36] <minhaaj> yea but even that doesnt run my program
[18:36] <jhutchins_wk> I think you're about ready for another reinstall then.
[18:36] <minhaaj> programs
[18:36] <minhaaj> i have reinstalled.
[18:36] <minhaaj> and i am updating
[18:36] <minhaaj> i was just wondering if there is a way to get these programs running ?
[18:37] <minhaaj> i have all my settings already in home with all my data saved
[18:37] <minhaaj> can synaptic help in fixing the brokenpackaes ?
[18:37] <jhutchins_wk> Your desktop icons should still point to the right programs.  I would get back to a clean /var and /etc, restore /home, then work with us on specific programs until we locate the general problem.
[18:37] <minhaaj> i do have clean var and etc
[18:38] <alexei> minhaaj: dont ever overwrite /etc! Your files from old home you can always unpack into subdirectory of you new home and pick whatever you need.
[18:38] <minhaaj> i have restored home only
[18:38] <minhaaj> alexei:  huh ?
[18:38] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: No, you've overwritten the config files with older versions, and /var contains important libraries.  You can't just paste the old ones over it.
[18:38] <minhaaj> i didnt touch var and etc
[18:38] <minhaaj> i just restored home
[18:39] <minhaaj> its working fine. only problem is it won't load some programs
[18:39] <minhaaj> programs are in home with all profiles and settings saved
[18:39] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: If you do an upgrade, as opposed to a clean install, you will preserve what needs to be saved in /etc and /var, but at this point you have no way to get back to a clean pre-upgrade system.
[18:39] <minhaaj> it just won't run
[18:39] <timri> minhaaj: Run them from a Konsole to find out why.
[18:39] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: Give us a specific example of something that fails.
[18:40] <minhaaj> mozilla thunderbird, firefox, googleearth
[18:40] <minhaaj> they just have links on desktop, but they wont work
[18:40] <minhaaj> but they have folders .firefox in home
[18:40] <minhaaj> with all profiles and settings saved
[18:40] <timri> minhaaj: just reinstall them
[18:40] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: Bingo.  You changed versions, that software installs in version-specific directories, so your paths are wrong.  Delete your shortcuts and create new ones.
[18:41] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: Alt-F2 mozilla-firefox should work.
[18:41] <minhaaj> how do i create new short cuts ? i cant find executable files in .firefox
[18:41] <minhaaj> jhutchins let me try what is the alt+f2 command for firefox ?
[18:41] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: at a console type "which mozilla-firefox"
[18:42] <minhaaj> nothing!
[18:42] <alexei> minhaaj: those icons are just pointers, right-click->properties->edit the commad as you like. So that when you click on Googleearth, firefox pops up, why not?
[18:42] <timri> minhaaj: they are not yet installed, you can do that now (synaptic)
[18:42] <minhaaj> they ARE installed timri
[18:42] <minhaaj> i have their folders in HOME
[18:43] <timri> minhaaj: and those contain your settings, not the programs themselves (normally)
[18:43] <minhaaj> so if i install the program, my settings would be updated in programs ?
[18:44] <minhaaj> i am annoyed by the fact that you cant back up in linux
[18:44] <minhaaj> :s
[18:44] <timri> minhaaj: The newly installed versions would use those settings, yes
[18:44] <minhaaj> timri you sure ?
[18:44] <timri> minhaaj: Learn how to use aptitude-create-state-bundle  :)
[18:44] <minhaaj> what is that timri ?
[18:45] <timri> minhaaj: It creates a snapshot of the installed programs...
[18:45] <minhaaj> so ?
[18:45] <minhaaj> how does that help back up ?
[18:45] <timri> minhaaj: ... that you can restore with aptitude-run-state-bundle
[18:45] <alexei> minhaaj: your old settings are in $HOME/.firefox the new firefox itself is somewhere in /usr/
[18:46] <keith> why would my usual nick still be in use after several minutes of being disconnected from the server?
[18:46] <minhaaj> ahh since i have new /usr/ in clean installation i need to do firefox again and during the process firefox would automatically detect a folder already in home and it would use these settings by default ?
[18:46] <timri> minhaaj: A propos backing-up: I use rdiff-backup for that
[18:46] <timri> minhaaj: correct
[18:46] <neilson> ?
[18:46] <minhaaj> i have read documentation on rdiff-back up
[18:46] <minhaaj> i just can't make out
[18:47] <timri> minhaaj: rdiffbackup /home /mythumbnaildrivemount/home
[18:47] <minhaaj> what do you EXACTLY need to back up ONLY your settings, configurations, applications and kubuntu related configs
[18:47] <minhaaj> i dont care about my data its already backed up
[18:47] <minhaaj> mythubmnaildrivemount ?
[18:47] <timri> minhaaj: Yeah, or /media/disk or whatever it's called ;)
[18:47] <minhaaj> oh so you mean backing up on usb ?
[18:48] <timri> minhaaj: Yeah I backup to an external drive (amongst other things)
[18:48] <minhaaj> thats what i'd do
[18:48] <minhaaj> so you run this command in konsole ?
[18:48] <timri> minhaaj: yep
[18:48] <minhaaj> dont you have to install rdiff first ?
[18:48] <minhaaj> or its kubuntu built in utility ?
[18:49] <timri> minhaaj: Kubuntu has the "Keep" program (it uses rdiff-backup)
[18:49] <timri> minhaaj: However, shouldnt you be busy installing firefox, thunderbird and google earth? ;)
[18:49] <minhaaj> i am updating packages
[18:49] <minhaaj> adept-updater
[18:49] <minhaaj> its taking time.
[18:50] <minhaaj> took me  2 hours to get that friggin back up to run :s
[18:50] <minhaaj> wish linux had something like norton ghost
[18:50] <minhaaj> i have used keep it doesnt work
[18:50] <minhaaj> for me atleast
[18:51] <Sylphid|work> minhaaj, http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page
[18:53] <minhaaj> thats pretty techie Sylphid|work
[18:53] <minhaaj> there should have been easy way to back up linux
[18:53] <drif> minhaaj: more easier thaan SystemRescueCd which boots?
[18:53] <drif> -a
[18:53] <minhaaj> where does adept-updater download updates by the way ? nobody would like to update kubuntu each time you install it
[18:54] <minhaaj> how does that work systemrescue cd
[18:54] <drif> minhaaj: read the page
[18:54] <timri> minhaaj: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[18:54] <minhaaj> one thing that i didnt tell you is that i am using kubuntu with wubi
[18:54] <keith> Is there an op here who could kick compilerwriter (me) off so that I am not here persistently with two nicks?
[18:54] <minhaaj> but you said never blanket over write etc and var
[18:54]  * timri knows nothing about wubi
[18:55] <minhaaj> how do you back up and restore var and etc if we are not supposed to paste it over clean var and etc install ?
[18:55] <Githzerai> minhaaj: Have u tried Clonezilla ?
[18:55] <minhaaj> nope whats that ?
[18:56] <Githzerai> minhaaj: Distro for cloning partitions, akka Ghost
[18:56] <minhaaj> distro ?
[18:56] <Githzerai> minhaaj: http://www.clonezilla.org/
[18:57] <minhaaj> yep reading.
[18:57] <Githzerai> minhaaj: Simple live CD based on Debian. It cn be very usefull
[18:57] <minhaaj> thats the problem i dont USE cd based install
[18:57] <minhaaj> i use wubi
[18:58] <minhaaj> for some weird reason my kubuntu cd won't install
[18:58] <minhaaj> plus i need windows for office
[18:58] <minhaaj> i mean MS office
[18:59] <Githzerai> minhaaj: It can clone even ntfs partitions ;)
[18:59] <Jahromeo> hi im looking to take a screenie of my cube rotated in kubuntu - print screen is not bringing up the snapshot capturer while screen is rotated - so if i print screen what editor can i paste in to
[19:00] <Githzerai> Jahromeo: Set time delay in Ksnapshot ;)
[19:00] <Jahromeo> is there nothing else to do?
[19:00] <Jahromeo> ubuntu is just print screen and paste
[19:00] <minhaaj> i have ntfs partitions
[19:00] <minhaaj> since i use wubi with windows
[19:00] <Jahromeo> is there no editor i can open and paste gith
[19:01] <Jahromeo> like a default program like mspaint
[19:01] <andriijas> how do i install firefox 3.0 final in hardy?
[19:02] <Sylphid|work> Jahromeo, install gimp or krita
[19:02] <Githzerai> andriijas: Use hardy-backports repo
[19:02] <NoRoI> its already installed in Hardy
[19:02] <checkob> hi, is there any workaround for the pidgin icq bug?
[19:02] <Jahromeo> thanks
[19:04] <Jahromeo> windows deselect when mouse moves off them - how do i fix that
[19:05] <andriijas> Githzerai: can only find beta5
[19:06] <Pici> andriijas: FF3 final is in the updates repository.
[19:06] <rockprincess> checkob: better ask the pidgin guys, the icq issue is less than 3 hours old! kopete guys are struggling as well
[19:07] <andriijas> Pici: i have the updates repo, still it says deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/ubuntu hardy main
[19:07] <andriijas> ops
[19:07] <andriijas> it says b5 in apt-cache show firefox
[19:08] <maltedik> for all icq-kopete-sufferers: theres a workaround on http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165502
[19:12] <kcir> hello
[19:13] <Pici> andriijas: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[19:13] <timri> Jahromeo: Both Krita and the Gimp are fairly "heavy" apps. For simple stuff, I prefer kolourpaint
[19:14] <Jahromeo> thanks timri
[19:17] <timri> Jahromeo: Re: your "windows deselect" problem: Start SystemSettings go to "Window behavior" then set the focus policy to "Click to focus"
[19:18] <Jahromeo> thanks timri
[19:18] <Jahromeo> the guys in compiz got me sorted
[19:31] <andriijas> Pici: http://pastebin.com/d13b3496f
[19:31] <artur_> What are the system requeriments for the Kubuntu 7.10 ?  How much of Mhz? RAM? GB? and so on
[19:31] <joseph> !chess
[19:32]  * joseph snickers
[19:34] <ubuntu_> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[19:34] <Sylphid|work> artur_, Desktop install requires at least 256MB of RAM and 3GB of available hard drive space.
[19:35] <NickPresta> artur_, you could probably get away with a ~700Mhz processor and 256MB of RAM. However, optimal would probably be 1.2Ghz, 512MB of RAM.
[19:37] <shadowhywind> hi, does anyone know of a way to copy a existing ubuntu installation to an external bootable hdd?
[19:37] <artur_> NickPresta: the same could be said for 8.04, or not?
[19:38] <NickPresta> artur_, yep
[19:39] <artur_> NickPresta, thank's!  indeed i'll try to use this in a 750 Mhz with 256MB
[19:40] <andriijas> how do i reset my taskbar to its original settings?
[19:40] <NickPresta> artur_, I would say that you'll be fine. You can always turn off the extra eye candy in KDE if you notice any slowdowns
[19:41] <NickPresta> shadowhywind, there are many backup options here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
[19:42] <shadowhywind> NickPresta: thanks
[19:42] <neotonic> Hi
[19:42] <artur_> NickPresta, sorry, but what you mean with 'extra eye candy' ?  i'm sorry
[19:42] <NickPresta> !hi | neotonic
[19:43] <neotonic> I need some help...i am buntuused to U
[19:43] <neotonic> how i am used to ubuntu
[19:43] <neotonic> ...
[19:43] <NickPresta> you use ubuntu?
[19:43] <neotonic> yes and Kubuntu now
[19:43] <NickPresta> okay
[19:43] <NickPresta> whats the problem?
[19:43] <candive> ubotto, hi
[19:44] <neotonic> where is tyhe Snyoptics package manager in Kubuntu?
[19:44] <rabin> neotonic: It's better to apt-get remove synaptic.
[19:44] <neotonic> ?
[19:44] <NickPresta> neotonic, in Kubuntu, there is Adept (similar in nature). However, you can use Synaptic if you really want (you can still install it)
[19:44] <rabin> neotonic:  it's a bullshit software use kpackage
[19:44] <neotonic> ok
[19:45] <neotonic> i just needed to know the name of the package manager lol
[19:45] <NickPresta> Adept, by default
[19:45] <rabin> neotonic: use Kpackage
[19:45] <neotonic> ok
[19:46] <neotonic> i cant find it...
[19:47] <artur_> artur_: my grub Menu was duplicated, i saw the /boot/grub/menu.lst  and there i could see the menu wrote more the once. To solve this should i just comment the lines that i want exclude from the menu?
[19:47] <neotonic> I only found Adept Manager
[19:48] <NickPresta> artur_, yeah. But when the update script is run again (if you're editing something inside the 'automagic' area) the lines will be put back. If you're outside that 'automagic' area, you're fine
[19:48] <NickPresta> neotonic, you can use that
[19:48] <neotonic> ok
[19:49] <neotonic> I am tripple booting my laptop
[19:49] <neotonic> lol
[19:49] <rabin> neotonic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE
[19:50] <neotonic> Ubuntu, Kubntu and Windows Vista
[19:50] <artur_> NickPresta:  thnx!!
[19:53] <Dr-Pepsi> Why isnt my Compiz working? I installed the settings manager, and checked the setings i wanted
[19:53] <NickPresta> !doesntwork
[19:53] <rabin> Dr-Pepsi: can you please inform us about the graphics card
[19:53] <rabin> ?
[19:54] <Dr-Pepsi> it works on Ubuntu, nVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS 1GB
[19:54] <Dr-Pepsi> 512mb detiucated
[19:55] <Dr-Pepsi> !compiz
[19:56] <rabin> use compiz-fusion
[19:56] <rabin> update package Xorg
[19:56] <MattMunich> hi @ll
[19:56] <NickPresta> hi, MattMunich
[19:56] <Dr-Pepsi> MattMunich:  Hi
[19:57] <MattMunich> I have a problem with working with kde4.1 applications in German; eg Kontact seems to be partly in English and partly in German. Is that true? or have i missed something?
[19:57] <MattMunich> my distributuion is kubuntu 8.04, my kde is 4.1
[19:58] <Shirakawasuna> you mean the beta?  Perhaps you should ask in #kde
[19:58] <Shirakawasuna> since it's beta :D
[19:59] <MattMunich> i was referred to this channel from #kde
[20:00] <_dennister> g'evening channel...any other samba experts online here, seeing as how flaccid isn't?
[20:01] <_dennister> online that is :)
[20:01] <NickPresta> you should ask in #kubuntu-kde4 if it is a KDE4 problem with Kubuntu
[20:01] <NickPresta> which you did :)
[20:03] <_dennister> i've edited my smb.conf for a simple samba configuration (security=share), and my shares are visible via a w2k laptop, but that's it...haven't added samba users, edited fstab, or anything else yet
[20:04] <tom_> hi, i'm kinda new to linux and kubuntu...
[20:04] <_dennister> question: is it necessary to edit the fstab file for my samba shares so they'll mount at boottime?
[20:05] <Dr-Pepsi> !compiz
[20:05] <tom_> i've just received a free kubuntu 8.04 cd and installed it. after installation, i went through apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and now kubuntu won't start in normal mode
[20:05] <tom_> i have to go through recovery mode and then choose proceed normal boot
[20:05] <tom_> the problem is, i get a kernel panic, something like it couldn't mount unknown disk (0,0)
[20:06] <tom_> any ideas what could be causing it and how it can be fixed?
[20:08] <_dennister> tom_: what kind of drive is it? and are you in livecd mode, or in the installation?
[20:08] <tom_> _dennister: i'm in the installation. if i choose recovery mode in grub and when i get the recovery menu (normal, xfix, console) i choose normal boot, it starts normally...
[20:09] <tom_> hdd is sata, i'm not sure what brand it is, should i check?
[20:09] <_dennister> tom_: and "xfix" is?
[20:09] <_dennister> no, don't worry about the brand
[20:10] <tom_> it says that xfix would fix the X Windows system....
[20:10] <_dennister> ok...i'm used to other methods of fixing xorg...xfix seems to be working for you
[20:11] <tom_> what do you mean?
[20:11] <tom_> that is one of the options in the recovery menu
[20:12] <tom_> i was just describing them, to make clear the steps i take to be able to boot normally.   in grub i choose recovery mode, in recovery menu i choose continue boot - works.    in grub ichoose the default ubuntu - kernel panic.
[20:12] <_dennister> xfix must be new to hardy...and i've never seen a "recovery menu", just recovery mode, which is a console method...no menus...I'd better not try to help you, but let some of the more experienced hardy helpers assist
[20:13] <tom_> this is a nice clean menu ;)
[20:13] <tom_> it took me a day to fix X from the console last time i've tried kubuntu
[20:14] <_dennister> tom_: sorry...let's see, if ur new to kubuntu and this channel...there are lots of very good tech support people in here usually
[20:14] <_dennister> are you used to other linux distros?
[20:14] <tom_> no
[20:15] <tom_> i've tried pclinuxos and hated it and i've tried previous versions of ubuntu and kubuntu and i always had some problems with the drivers, either audio or video
[20:15] <tom_> now it seems there's a problem with the hdd :P
[20:15] <minhaaj> yea thats what i thought
[20:15] <_dennister> ok, good then...but it's too bad ur having trouble...it's usually one of the easiest distros...i'm building one here for a reluctant linux user
[20:15] <minhaaj> because kubuntu is good with hardware detection
[20:16] <minhaaj> ubunti IS the best distro
[20:16] <_dennister> yes, very...it detected my sata controller when the bios didn't :-)
[20:16] <minhaaj> i was able to my bluetooth in it which i couldnt use in windows
[20:16] <minhaaj> ubuntu is a miracle
[20:17] <minhaaj> so is linux. and credit goes everyone
[20:17] <minhaaj> me and you
[20:17] <minhaaj> :)
[20:17] <_dennister> minhaaj: could you help tom_ with his hdd then? he's using hardy, and i'm not that good with hardy yet
[20:17] <minhaaj> whats the problem tom ?
[20:17] <tom_> i installed kubuntu 8.04 from a cd i got in the mail, everything worked fine
[20:18] <Dr-Pepsi> !compiz
[20:18] <tom_> i configured the internet connection, rebooted to make sure everything was fine
[20:18] <tom_> ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and rebooted once more
[20:18] <tom_> now if i choose the default option in grub, i get a kernel panic
[20:19] <minhaaj> tell me the exact error tom
[20:19] <minhaaj> did you google it ?
[20:19] <tom_>  something like it couldn't mount unknown disk (0,0)
[20:19] <tom_> ummm doh, no
[20:19] <tom_> brb, rebooting to check the exact message :)
[20:19] <minhaaj> heh ok
[20:19] <Dr-Pepsi> I got Compiz Working
[20:20] <_dennister> Dr-Pepsi: congrats...with hardy?
[20:21] <_dennister> ok...back to my samba configuration...
[20:23] <visik7> hi guys,
[20:23] <visik7> will kubuntu 8.10 have kde4.x by default ?
[20:23] <minhaaj> i hoep so
[20:23] <minhaaj> although kde4 sux
[20:24] <visik7> no it doesn't
[20:24] <visik7> kde4 is here to rules the world :)
[20:24] <visik7> 4.0 sux but 4.0 is old
[20:24] <minhaaj> kde4 is here to mess up ubuntu
[20:24] <anabelle> My PC doesn't keep XORG settings after reboot!!!!
[20:24] <anabelle> :'(
[20:25] <NickPresta> 4.0 is a beta release with many things 'incomplete', but as 4.1 Beta 2 is a beta and still has some things incomplete
[20:25] <anabelle> what can it be?
[20:25] <tom_> ok, now i got a whole different message with a stack trace
[20:25] <minhaaj> anabella did you try saving session ?
[20:26] <minhaaj> tom google it
[20:26] <tom_> i've got ubuntu 8.04 kernel 2.6.24-16 and it froze saying "kernel panic - not syncing - attempted to kill init!"
[20:26] <minhaaj> seems like you are having a conflict
[20:26] <Lord_Drestor> Hi men, I have a problem with lyric and amarok, is something with ruby 1.8, but i don't know how to solve it and see the lyrics again
[20:26] <terettes15> hi!! i need help installing the new firefox 3.0 on my kubuntu linux computer
[20:26] <visik7> tom_: after what ?
[20:26] <_CrashMaster_> terettes15: What kind of problem are you encountering?
[20:26] <tom_> visik7: i get that when i boot normally
[20:27] <NickPresta> Lord_Drestor, what seems to be the problem?
[20:27] <minhaaj> tom http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/explained-kernel-panic-not-syncing-attempted-to-kill-init-353920/
[20:27] <Lord_Drestor> i am going to paste it
[20:27] <Lord_Drestor> here
[20:27] <terettes15> i dont know how to install the new firefox, when i dl it it only comes up has a file
[20:27] <terettes15> and not a .deb
[20:28] <minhaaj> terettes15:  go to apt-get
[20:28] <_CrashMaster_> terettes15: Open a terminal. Type "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[20:28] <minhaaj> or sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:28] <minhaaj> !pastebin
[20:28] <minhaaj> Lord_Drestor:  paste in pastebin
[20:29] <_dennister> ok, quickie question: can i change how updatedb is done by simply moving slocate script from cron.daily to cron.hourly?
[20:30] <minhaaj> no idea
[20:30] <terettes15> i think it worked
[20:30] <minhaaj> _dennister:  did you try man updatedb ?
[20:30] <_CrashMaster_> of course it worked. It always works. :P
[20:30] <minhaaj> great terettes15
[20:31] <minhaaj> :)
[20:31] <terettes15> thank you
[20:31] <minhaaj> linux DOES work.
[20:31] <_CrashMaster_> If you speak the special Linux language, anyway :)
[20:31] <minhaaj> it just doesnt make you dumb and pre configure things for you like windows
[20:32] <terettes15> nevermind
[20:32] <_dennister> minhaaj: i've read it many times before, but all the advice i've ever read goes into so much depth about how to ...my son is coming in an hour and I just don't have the time
[20:33] <Lord_Drestor> this is the problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/24301/
[20:33] <terettes15> all it did was reinstall firefox 2.0, not firefox 3.0
[20:33] <_dennister> minhaaj: i know linux works :-) been using it for 2 years on many, many systems, even had a working gentoo system, a mythtv box...
[20:33] <minhaaj> ahh
[20:34] <minhaaj> wow nice
[20:34] <NickPresta> Lord_Drestor, it just appears that the Lyrc site is down (http://lyrc.com.ar). I would wait a bit and see if the site comes back up
[20:34] <minhaaj> terettes15:  go to apt-get
[20:34] <minhaaj> there you can get firefox 3
[20:34] <minhaaj> its listed under internet
[20:34] <minhaaj> simply uncheck firefox2 and get firefox 3
[20:34] <_dennister> so ppl: can I quickly change how often updatedb gets done by simply moving the script from cron.daily to cron.hourly?
[20:36] <Lord_Drestor> NickPresta, ok thank you if it doesn't change i will be back here LOL
[20:38] <NickPresta> Lord_Drestor, okay, but there really isn't anything we can do about it :) You could try GoogLyrics http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/GoogLyrics?content=73850
[20:40] <arogarth> hello @all
[20:40] <terettes15> now its saying firefox is malformatted
[20:40] <arogarth> i have a question
[20:40] <Lord_Drestor> ok thanks bye
[20:40] <arogarth> i will compile kmediafactory 0.5.2.4
[20:41] <arogarth> at the end of configure it shows me configure: error:
[20:41] <tobor> hi all, I am using Firefox 1.5, ( on LTS 6.06) and I am thinking about upgrading so that I can and some extensions. does anyone know if the current repositories for LTS 6.06 include a later version of Firefox?
[20:41] <tobor> s/and/add/
[20:41] <arogarth> on depends ImageMagick => 6.0
[20:41] <arogarth> how can i fix it
[20:41] <arogarth> ??
[20:41] <NickPresta> arogarth, sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[20:42] <arogarth> i have installed it
[20:42] <_dennister> ok, more important question regarding samba: to mount samba shares at boottime i have to edit fstab, right? and make a smbpasswd file it can access?
[20:42] <NickPresta> arogarth, try: libmagick++9-dev
[20:43] <_dennister> <--------needs flaccid for a simple samba config
[20:43] <NickPresta> _dennister, you want to mount a cifs share at boot time?
[20:44] <_dennister> NickPresta: sorta...i just prefer to use smbfs cause cifs sucks
[20:45] <andriijas> how do i make firefox look prettier in kubuntu?
[20:45] <NickPresta> _dennister, as far as I know, smbfs has not had development in the last couple years and CIFS is now what you should be using.
[20:46] <tobor> NickPresta: Samba and CIFS are the same project, CIFS was Microsoft's new name foe that functionality
[20:46] <_dennister> and yes, smbfs is being deprecated...but i struggled with it for some time a few weeks ago, and it never worked for me...even with the help of people like genii...smbfs still works
[20:46] <arogarth> thx, it works
[20:46] <_dennister> NickPresta: sorry ^^
[20:46] <arogarth> i have had installed libmagick++10-dev
[20:46] <arogarth> but this dowsnt work
[20:46] <NickPresta> tobor, okay. I'm just going with what is said here: http://samba.org/samba/smbfs/
[20:46] <arogarth> thx a lot
[20:47] <NickPresta> _dennister, sorry. I use CIFS to mount my windows shares. I haven't used smbfs in a very long time
[20:47] <_dennister> NickPresta: but perhaps we should try to mount a share it temporarily from terminal before we make it permanent in fstab
[20:48] <NickPresta> _dennister, yeah, for sure
[20:48] <tobor> NickPresta: oh, well they certainly know more about what's going on Van ideal! :-)
[20:48] <_dennister> NickPresta: if we can make cifs work today, i'll be forever in ur debt
[20:48] <tobor> s/Van ideal/Than I do/
[20:48] <NickPresta> :)
[20:48] <tobor> speech recognition software :-(
[20:50] <NickPresta> _dennister, try something like this: mount -t cifs -o ip=LOCAL.IP -o OPTIONS //SHARENAME/path/ /local/path
[20:50] <_dennister> NickPresta: here's the point where I'm at: edited smb.conf, added smbpasswd for my user, made directories/mountpoints in /media/sambashare for those shares
[20:52] <NickPresta> _dennister, have you seen http://www.swerdna.net.au/linhowtosambacifs.html ? It explains what you want to accomplish (I think)
[20:53] <_dennister> NickPresta: no i haven't seen that one before...just tons of others like it...am trying now to follow ur earlier direction with terminal command
[20:54] <NickPresta> _dennister, mount also accepts 'username' and 'password' options: mount -t cifs -o ip=LOCALIP,username=USERNAME,password=PASSWORD //SHARENAME/path/ /local/path
[20:55] <_dennister> NickPresta: ok, got an error 22 = Invalid argument after I entered: sudo mount -t cifs -o ip=192.168.2.100 -o username=scott //storage /media/sambashare/storage
[20:56] <_dennister> probably cause i had 2 "-o" right?
[20:56] <_dennister> no wait...cause there were spaces between options
[20:56] <NickPresta> _dennister, yeah. just a comma - no spaces
[20:58] <_dennister> starting to remember now...mount command is very similar to fstab line
[20:58] <_dennister> i think i did it...now to test
[20:59] <mbox> hi
[20:59] <mbox> i cant connect to icq ... server says kopete version is too old... any advice?
[21:00] <timri> mbox: workaround: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165502
[21:00] <aeight> > #kopete ;)
[21:01] <tom_> hi again
[21:01] <tom_> minhaaj: problem solved
[21:01] <_dennister> NickPresta: yes!!! it mounted and i can now browse it from the w2k laptop
[21:01] <NickPresta> :)
[21:02] <timri> _dennister: If you use a password, better move it to a separate credentials file.
[21:02] <tom_> all of a sudden adept thought of notifying me about other updates which apt-get has missed. it updated my kernel to 2.6.24-19 (from 2.6.24-16) and now it works fine
[21:02] <minhaaj> great tom_
[21:02] <minhaaj> see you are smart
[21:02] <tom_> so i guess the lesson here (at least for me) is to stop using apt-get if you have adept
[21:02] <NickPresta> _dennister, the fstab line looks like this: //SHARE/path/ /path/path/ cifs rw,user,uid=YOURUSERNAME,gid=YOURGROUP,umask=0222,nls=utf8,ip=192.168.2.100,username=USERNAME,password=PASSWORD 0 0
[21:03] <minhaaj> heh
[21:03] <minhaaj> didnt apt-get update work for you ?
[21:03] <NickPresta> timri, _dennister ah yes. the credentials option and file. That makes more sense :)
[21:03] <maltedik> tom_, maybe you didnt use "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:03] <tom_> minhaaj: that's what messed it up in the first place
[21:03] <_dennister> NickPresta: yes, i'm used to doing that...the main thing is that I can now browse the server share and play the music on it through the w2k laptop...thx...will edit fstab now, then create the smbcredentials file, then mount it all to test
[21:03] <tom_> true, maltedik
[21:03] <tom_> i forgot about that one
[21:04] <maltedik> always add the "dist-"
[21:04] <minhaaj> great. but apt get works fne for me
[21:04] <timri> _dennister: Just a question: why do you want to mount it at _boot_ time, why not at login?
[21:04] <maltedik> its the "dist-" what makes apt-get so special! ;)
[21:05] <_dennister> timri: good question; i hadn't thought of that...all the howtos i've tried to follow in the past said to do it at bootime
[21:05] <tom_> i see
[21:05] <_dennister> <---------follows direction :-)
[21:06] <minhaaj> maltedik:  apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[21:06] <timri> _dennister: You dont even need root permissions with something like fusesmb
[21:07] <_dennister> perhaps that is at the heart of my past troubles? particularly with cifs...wonderful...never heard of fusesmb b4
[21:07] <maltedik> minhaaj: yeah. the upgrade without the dist doesnt include kernels
[21:07] <minhaaj> ahh ok
[21:07] <minhaaj> i never did that. guess i should try it
[21:07] <minhaaj> its stable ?
[21:07] <_dennister> NickPresta: is timri correct, and automating something at login is better than at boot?
[21:08] <maltedik> i always use it
[21:08] <tom_> one more thing, i have an ati radeon x800 gto, do you think it would be wise to install proprietary drivers?
[21:08] <minhaaj> hmm great.
[21:08] <minhaaj> yep tom_
[21:08] <minhaaj> try fglrx
[21:08] <tom_> currently kubuntu sees it as "ATI Radeon"
[21:08] <maltedik> minhaaj: but you have to reboot to use the new kernel...
[21:08] <minhaaj> ahh ok
[21:08] <timri> _dennister: ? Did I say "better" ?
[21:08] <minhaaj> because i have seen people whine about kernel upgrade
[21:08] <minhaaj> so i guess it screws some people up
[21:08] <minhaaj> btw maltedik you did me earlier today. told me to back up home etc and var
[21:09] <minhaaj> i did so, i was only able to restore home
[21:09] <minhaaj> etc and var restoring would crash kubuntu
[21:09] <minhaaj> took me 3 hours to get things reinstalled
[21:09] <minhaaj> thanks buddy
[21:09] <minhaaj> :s
[21:10] <_dennister> timri: no, u didn't, but ur solution sounds more logical than doing it at boot...one of the troubles i was having with cifs before is a bit complicated to explain, but there seemed to be a conflict between root, mounting certain drives through fstab, and the smbuser
[21:11] <maltedik> minhaaj: i didnt _told_ you anything
[21:11] <minhaaj> you did :)
[21:11] <minhaaj> anyways thats how we all learn
[21:11] <timri> _dennister: I too was hit by the transition to cifs (ah, "general error 11" how I miss you)
[21:12] <tom_> wtf.. cat steps on ash tray, bed is full of cigarrette ashes, i slap the cat, the cat starts purring
[21:12] <_dennister> timri: and since NickPresta seems to be taking a break (or helping someone else) i'd appreciate your opinion, as u seem to know what ur talking about :) better to mount all samba shares at boot, or login?
[21:12] <minhaaj> tom_: try #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:12] <tom_> thanks
[21:12] <_dennister> yes, i got all sorts of errors...even genii tried to help me, and he really knows what he's doing with linux...i met him personally
[21:13] <kakoonia> Hey.. from some reason the keyboard layout switching shortcut goes only one way.. someone knows how to fix this?
[21:13] <timri> _dennister: If it's system wide I mount at boot (e.g. I use a share to backup to, that's mounted at boot), the rest gets mounted for each user at login (with smb4k mainly - although that's not as stable as I would like)
[21:14] <timri> _dennister: A genii -- the smell of coffee fills the room :)
[21:14] <_dennister> timri: can u wait 5-10 minutes and then hold my hand a bit while I try this? I gotta run to go pee and have a cig...i'm so excited :)...........ok,k i elect to do it at boot then, because it needs to be system wide.........back in 5-10 minutes
[21:14] <timri> _dennister: heh, sure
[21:15] <kakoonia> someone can help me out with this wierd problem?
[21:15] <sourcemaker> is it possible to log all the access.log from apache to mysql?
[21:16] <Sylphid|work> !ask > kakoonia
[21:16] <minhaaj> ok my back attempt has done me bad
[21:16] <minhaaj> any idea how i can install the missing files in etc and var ?
[21:17] <sub[t]rnl> sourcemaker➜ mysql has a load function to read regular files
[21:17] <sourcemaker> sub[t]rnl: ok... thanks
[21:17] <sub[t]rnl> LOAD DATA infile /path/to/access.log INTO TABLE newtablename (field1, field2, field3,)
[21:18] <sub[t]rnl> something like that
[21:21] <_dennister> timri: ur not genii are u? logging in from your vacation spot?
[21:21] <timri> _dennister: Nope
[21:22] <dwidmann_> Okay, so I'm a bit out of touch with my inner bash. Can someone refresh my memory on how to play with the range thing, ie: something like "touch [1-4]blah" would make 1blah, 2blah ....  .......
[21:22] <timri> _dennister: By the way, the center of France is a terrible vacation spot
[21:22] <_dennister> ok...it was the coffee line...u obviously are familiar with him...lol
[21:23] <sub[t]rnl> dwidmann_➜ touch {1..4}blah
[21:23] <dwidmann_> thanks sub[t]rnl
[21:24] <_dennister> timri: ok, let's get the fstab line working, k?
[21:24] <timri> _dennister: go ahead
[21:25] <minhaaj> timri dude that home restore has done me
[21:25] <minhaaj> every program i open, an error pops up
[21:25] <timri> minhaaj: In a good way?
[21:25] <minhaaj> in worst way
[21:25] <timri> ;)
[21:25] <minhaaj> how do i add additional files for etc and var ?
[21:26] <minhaaj> how can i fix broken packages ?
[21:26] <mbox> timri: thank you!
[21:26] <_dennister> ok, i've got the share unmounted again...will create the smbcredentials file...just the user and the password, right? and then i need to change the perms so it's not readable except by root
[21:26] <enterusername> hi
[21:26] <enterusername> how do i enable automounting again where the screen pops up when i put a new cd
[21:26] <enterusername> or an ipod?
[21:26] <testi> amarok isn't playing m4a files for some reason. How can I ensure, that m4a is supported by amarok?
[21:26] <enterusername> I think i byaccidently disabled the pop up screen
[21:27] <timri> _dennister: yep. Tip: open konqueror here: man:/mount.cifs
[21:27] <timri> mbox: You're welcome
[21:28] <enterusername> anyhone?
[21:29] <sub[t]rnl> enterusername➜ are you talking about the hal layer? or just getting icons on the desktop?
[21:29] <enterusername> well i think its a mixture of hal with kde?
[21:29] <_dennister> timri: goot tip, i had the contents of smbcredentials slightly incorrect already
[21:29] <enterusername> when ever i put a disk or ipod in i would get a pop up window
[21:29] <_dennister> *good
[21:30] <timri> _dennister: heh. By the way you can use the # sign as a shortcut for man:/ (no space)
[21:30] <sub[t]rnl> enterusername➜ right click desktop, configure desktop, behavior, and check to see if your device icons are enabled
[21:30] <_dennister> ok, how to make smbcredentials read-only, except by root?
[21:30] <timri> enterusername: also start Systemsettings -> notifications -> storage media
[21:32] <timri> _dennister: chmod 0500 smbcredentials
[21:32] <_dennister> timri: was that meant for me?^^ my son has arrived now, and i need to quickly get this finished
[21:32] <_dennister> ty
[21:32] <sub[t]rnl> _dennister➜ probably don't want that to be read only.. you'll want to hide that from everyone
[21:32] <flags8192> Скажите пожалуйста, как в кубунту slonax запустить
[21:32] <_dennister> yes, ur right
[21:32] <yesitisjustme> my laptop has build in thing to connect ethernet cable and i  also have a pcmcia card it gets detectedn and dongle cable lights up but yet won't connect with either build in or the card yet it always connects fine to desktop is there something i am missing?
[21:33] <_dennister> timri: and now the fstab line...
[21:34] <joebob777as7> I want to set up remote printing? is there an easy way to do that without setting up a vpn? if not is there an easy way to set up a vpn?
[21:34] <timri> _dennister: just take your mount command leave out the -o, put the options in the correct spot
[21:35] <joebob777as7> I mean for internet printing btw
[21:36] <yesitisjustme> is it possible for a internet provider to block like other computers on your house like a laptop and only allow desktop to connect to internet?
[21:36] <sub[t]rnl> yesitisjustme➜ negative
[21:36] <_dennister> timri: sorry, now that i have fstab open in terminal i can't see what my mount command was
[21:37] <timri> _dennister: use konsole instead of a terminal :) (Alt+F2 konsole enter)
[21:37] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ ssh tunneling would be a better choice
[21:38] <_dennister> too late now...so far i've got: //netbiosname/sharename mountpoint cifs ... now i need the options
[21:38] <yesitisjustme> well it detects the card ok i don't what else to try also the building ehternet port also couldn't browse
[21:38] <sub[t]rnl> though you can vpn vial a ssh tunnel, but that would be an extra layer taking up resources
[21:39] <timri> _dennister: you had the options 15 mins ago
[21:39]  * timri scrolls back
[21:40] <joebob777as7> sub[t]rnl. I know but my mom doesn't know what to do and she's on a windows box...
[21:40] <timri> _dennister: " <NickPresta> _dennister, the fstab line looks like this: //SHARE/path/ /path/path/ cifs rw,user,uid=YOURUSERNAME,gid=YOURGROUP,umask=0222,nls=utf8,ip=192.168.2.100,username=USERNAME,password=PASSWORD 0 0"
[21:41] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ what exactly is she trying to do? print to a remote server from her windows box?
[21:41] <timri> _dennister: Of course, you omit the username and password and add credentials=/path/to/smbcredentials
[21:42] <joebob777as7> sub[t]rnl, is there a way to ssh tunnel and set up the printer on my ubuntu server here?
[21:42] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ you bet.
[21:42] <joebob777as7> sub[t]rnl, would that just be a local 631 tunnel?
[21:43] <_dennister> options so far are: credentials=/etc/smbcredentials,rw,user,umask=0222,nls=utf8 0 0
[21:43] <_dennister> timri: sound right?
[21:43] <sub[t]rnl> port can be arbitrary, then ssh will port forward
[21:43] <timri> _dennister: looks about ok (0 0 is not technically part of the options of course)
[21:44] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ have a look at this http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5462
[21:44] <_dennister> yes, of course...what does 0222 mean in terms of umask?
[21:44] <joebob777as7> sub[t]rnl, i've used gstm before but what's the ssh command for that?
[21:45] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ not sure, would have to look it up.
[21:45] <_dennister> ready to test
[21:45] <timri> _dennister: But the point is: you have mounted it manually already, you should use the same options in fstab
[21:45] <timri> _dennister: sudo mount -a
[21:45] <_CrashMaster_> sub[t]rnl: What key combo are you using to get that nifty arrow character?
[21:46] <sub[t]rnl> _CrashMaster_➜ tab
[21:46] <_CrashMaster_> Oh, that's your default autocomplete character?
[21:46] <sub[t]rnl> si
[21:46] <joebob777as7> sub[t]rnl ssh myhomeuser@myhomenetwork.net -L 1234:myprintserver.net:631?
[21:46] <_dennister> timri: yes, i used the mount -a...it works! now to get my son to try it from his laptop
[21:47] <timri> _dennister: Erm.. didnt he have a w2k laptop?
[21:49] <sub[t]rnl> joebob777as7➜ yeah, that would forward 1234 to myprintserver.net 631 port
[21:50] <_dennister> timri: it was my w2k laptop, and it was able to access the server's newly mounted fstab shares...my son who's arrived has a fairly new xp home laptop
[21:51] <_dennister> this samba server i've been building for him goes home with him tonight
[21:51] <timri> _dennister: Ah ok, for a moment I was afraid you thought you needed to mount in Linux to make a share available in Microsoft Windows :)
[21:52] <timri> _dennister: perhaps a good idea to install openssh-server on it so you can remotely administer it
[21:53] <timri> _dennister: but that's for another day
[21:53] <sub[t]rnl> dern..
[21:53] <_dennister> no, no./..he's testing now with his laptop...way ahead of u there...openssh-server was configured, and tested as workiing properly b4 i cam online for samba help
[21:53] <sub[t]rnl> what is the default umask in kubuntu anyway.. mines 077 but i'm not sure if thats default
[21:54] <sub[t]rnl> think i've changed it over the years
[21:54] <timri> sub[t]rnl: No idea. tt doesnt matter a lot with samba if you use the attributes to store Windows specific stuff in
[21:55] <sub[t]rnl> yeah was talking linux side
[21:55] <sub[t]rnl> whats in your /etc/profile timri
[21:55] <sub[t]rnl> cat /etc/profile |tail -n 1
[21:56] <timri> sub[t]rnl: 022
[21:56] <sub[t]rnl> ah ha
[21:56] <timri> sub[t]rnl: i.e. no execute
[21:56] <timri> sub[t]rnl: But we were talking about samba and I use "map hidden" etc.
[21:57] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, righto
[21:57] <sub[t]rnl> just had a brain fart and couldn't recall what stock umask was in kubuntu.
[21:57] <_dennister> ppl, let me introduce you to my son, scott
[21:57] <sub[t]rnl> hey there scott.
[21:57] <timri> hi
[22:00] <timri> ok, I'am off to bed bye everyone
[22:04] <vipex> Can i get IDLE (Python GUI) to kubuntu?
[22:05] <vipex> Can i get to kubuntu this IDLE (Python GUI)
[22:07] <sub[t]rnl> !info idle
[22:08] <korry> I upgraded my notebook to 8.04 recently and now my fan runs constantly and the system feels very hot... any ideas? I *think* that the problem goes away if I don't run KDE4
[22:08] <sub[t]rnl> korry➜ run top or htop to see if there are any run away processes
[22:08] <korry> sub[t]rnl: I've done that (many times)... top doesn't show anything suspicious
[22:12] <sub[t]rnl> korry➜ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/cpuwhatever/temperature
[22:12] <sub[t]rnl> if its supported
[22:13] <korry> sub[t]rnl: I'll try that as soon as I boot...  what would that tell me?
[22:13] <sub[t]rnl> how hot said cpu is running
[22:14] <_dennister> ok, scoot's gonna do my dishes b4 dinner while i work on his laptop :-) cya's later
[22:14] <sub[t]rnl> think it relies on lm-sensors, and not sure if that comes default, but it's worth a look
[22:14] <_dennister> timri: ty so much for everything :-)
[22:18] <joe__> when I change my ip to static it just doesnt connect to my router anymore... why?
[22:27] <NiKeCRu666> hello!
[22:28] <NiKeCRu666> i have no sound after hibernate my lapyop :( please help :(
[22:29] <rohan> does kubuntu use pulseaudio by default?
[22:29] <NiKeCRu666> pulseaudio?
[22:29] <rohan> anyone having a (near-)fresh kubuntu install please give me the output of "apt-cache policy pulseaudio"
[22:29] <NiKeCRu666> uhmn i dont know =(
[22:30] <rohan> NiKeCRu666: ok, can you please just show me what output you get
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666> ok
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666> on pastebin of ubuntu?
[22:30] <rohan> anywhere is fine
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666> ok here it is
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666> $ apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666> pulseaudio:
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666>   Instalados: (ninguno)
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666>   Candidato: 0.9.10-1ubuntu1
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666>   Tabla de versión:
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666>      0.9.10-1ubuntu1 0
[22:30] <NiKeCRu666>         500 http://pe.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[22:31] <NiKeCRu666> sorry is in spanish, i can translate it if you dont understand
[22:31] <rohan> NiKeCRu666: ok, no problem. that's on a default stock install of kubuntu 8.04 right?
[22:31] <NiKeCRu666> yup
[22:32] <NiKeCRu666> rohan, yes
[22:33] <NiKeCRu666> my laptop is an acer aspire 4720z
[22:33] <rohan> NiKeCRu666: thanks
[22:34] <NiKeCRu666> no no,thank you for helping me
[22:34] <rohan> hehe, how did i help you? :o
[22:35] <NiKeCRu666> at least you are trying to xD
[22:38] <HighHo> NiKeCRu666: change your mirror or wait, seems like the file is just unavailable at the moment, maybe due to syncing
[22:39] <NiKeCRu666> to change mi mirror?
[22:39] <NiKeCRu666> my mirror?
[22:43] <sgallinger> does kubuntu support fglrx ?
[22:53] <kemal> hi, i will update hardy to kde 4, is it stable? ist here anoyne who experienced ?  thx
[22:54] <ImLiz> hi everyone, I have an issue with kopete, when I change my display pic others can see it but I'm stuck with the old one, is that fixable???
[22:55] <kemal> kopete but which version?
[22:55] <Dragnslcr> ImLiz- you might try asking #kopete
[22:55] <ImLiz> version 0.12.2
[22:55] <kemal> what is channel's name of kde4 for hardy?
[22:56] <Dragnslcr> #kubuntu-kde4
[22:56] <compilerwriter2> How in blazes does one get compilerwriter one offline so that I don't have to masquerade as myself
[22:56] <ImLiz> thanx dragnslcr
[22:56] <kemal> you can update it
[22:56] <kemal> i have 0.12.7
[22:57] <kemal> using kde 3.5.9
[22:57] <ImLiz> oh mine uses 3.5.2 :-/
[22:58] <kemal> you can use adapt manager for update it
[22:58] <kemal> run  :     kdesu adept_manager
[22:59] <ImLiz> then what?
[22:59] <kemal> you can see upgradeable packages on there
[23:00] <kemal> just push fetch updates button
[23:03] <ImLiz> I don't see any new versions listed
[23:05] <kemal> then you must edit your software sources
[23:07] <kemal> quit from adapt manager and run  kdesu adept_installer
[23:08] <kemal> clcik on the software sources
[23:09] <tom_> how do i set a pppoe connection to auto-reconnect on disconnection? or is it like that by default?
[23:10] <kemal> then, go updates tab and  click on the box called unsupported updates, "you have own risk", it may be not stable because of unsupported"
[23:10] <shoklowitz> Hi, I'm getting a black screen after a few minutes of idle.I tried setting the screensaver off by editing kdesktoprc > [screensaver] enabled=false, which didn't work. I also tried editing xorg.conf and adding the lines suggested here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=401104, but that only bricks kdm for some reason and I have to go into recovery mode to restore xorg.conf.
[23:10] <shoklowitz> Any ideas?
[23:11] <kemal> down to konsole from kdesktop during kde running?
[23:12] <shoklowitz> I edited kdesktoprc manually, if that's what you mean
[23:12] <kemal> shoklowitz: ?
[23:13] <shoklowitz> I don't think it's a screensaver issue, I think it's just some sort of idle setting built into kde. There's a thread on it here, which deals with exactly what I'm having a problem with : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=401104
[23:14] <shoklowitz> But for some reason, when I append those lines to the end of xorg.conf and restart X, it won't start kdm/kde
[23:14] <shoklowitz> It says: kdm is not the default....
[23:14] <shoklowitz> and then proceeds to not start kdm,kde/X
[23:14] <kemal> kdm is kde configure module
[23:14] <shoklowitz> Yep.
[23:14] <kemal> run kdm and reconfigure it
[23:15] <kemal> maybe there is a problem in your settings
[23:16] <shoklowitz> Well, it seems to work for other people. It took care of their idle blank screen problem, could you have a look at the code for me?
[23:16] <kemal> of course
[23:17] <kemal> where is it's location
[23:17] <shoklowitz> It's here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2462529&postcount=9
[23:18]  * tom_ posts his question again (sorry for d/c):
[23:18] <tom_> does a pppoe connection reconnect automatically if it disconnects?
[23:18] <kemal> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[23:18] <kemal> # again, run the following command:
[23:18] <kemal> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[23:19] <shoklowitz> Won't that remove any changes that I made to it?
[23:20] <kemal> these letters are in xorg.conf file
[23:20] <shoklowitz> I saw that before, but won't that erase what I just inserted into the file?
[23:20] <kemal> i have no any lines which you wrote on your link
[23:21] <kemal> no Section "ServerFlags" in my xorg.conf
[23:21] <shoklowitz> I know, these lines are to prevent the screen from going blank when the computer is idle
[23:22] <kemal> dont use blank screen for screensaver?
[23:24] <shoklowitz> I'm not using a blank screen. My screen saver is turned off :\
[23:25] <kemal> how did you set it off?
[23:25] <kemal> i cannot see any option for this
[23:26] <kemal> moreover, screensaver is useful for your screen
[23:26] <shoklowitz> You can edit your kdesktoprc file and change [screensaver] enabled=false to turn off your screensaver
[23:26] <Schuenemann> how do I search for a file? I always forget
[23:27] <kemal> Schuenemann: strigi
[23:27] <shoklowitz> I need to disable the screensaver because I have a transparent screen lock, so that the screen can be locked but activity on the monitor can be seen. This useful since co-workers need to be able to see information as it shows up on my screen.
[23:28] <Schuenemann> kemal, I was looking for the command find something
[23:28] <shoklowitz> However when the screen blanks out every few minutes, it's a problem.
[23:28] <kemal> ok Schuenemann sorry
[23:28] <shoklowitz> Schuenemann: http://www.perpetualpc.net/srtd_commands_rev.html
[23:28] <shoklowitz> Hope that helps
[23:29] <tyfon> hmm.. for console its setterm -blank 0 to disable the blanking of screen.. but im not sure if that is what blanks X screens too :p
[23:29] <kemal> shoklowitz:
[23:29] <kemal> i can do that you said with "science" screensaver
[23:30] <kemal> in screensaver settings
[23:30] <shoklowitz> science, is it part of the default screensaver package, or is it something else?
[23:30] <shoklowitz> Lemme look at it
[23:30] <kemal> default
[23:31] <Schuenemann> shoklowitz, how about recursively
[23:31] <kemal> if you cannot solve a problem, you can wlak aorund it ;)
[23:31] <kemal> walk around
[23:31] <kemal> hope that helps
[23:32] <shoklowitz> Scheunemann: explain
[23:32] <Schuenemann> shoklowitz, find in subdirectories
[23:33] <shoklowitz> You need the command to scan subdirectories as well?
[23:34] <shoklowitz> kemal: the science screensaver blurs the background.
[23:34] <Schuenemann> shoklowitz, yes...
[23:34] <shoklowitz> also, I don't think it displays any changes happening on the desktop
[23:34] <shoklowitz> Let me look that up for you Schuenemann
[23:34] <psyke83> hi, I'm maintaining a guide on the forums and I need to verify - does Kubuntu 8.04 come installed with PulseAudio?
[23:35] <kemal> shoklowitz: click on the setup for science screensaver and decrease minimum for "motion"
[23:36] <BluesKaj> shoklowitz, try unchecking the "start automatically" box in System Settings/Desktop/ Screensaver
[23:36] <kemal> your co-workers can see your desktop but anyone cannot be change anything if you set a password for SS to stop it
[23:37] <shoklowitz> BluesKaj: It's already unchecked.
[23:37] <kemal> because of kscreensaver package installed
[23:37] <kemal> remove it
[23:37] <BluesKaj> aha
[23:38] <kemal> is it correct? i am not sure :)
[23:38] <shoklowitz> I have a utility for that kemal, it's called xtrlock. I had already changed the motion settings, the background is obscured in color as part of the screensaver. Moreover, this is not a screensaver problem.
[23:39] <joe__> when I change my ip to static it just doesnt connect to my router anymore... why?
[23:39] <shoklowitz> Maybe you're using a dynamic service?
[23:40] <kemal> shoklowitz: it may be a reason: your video card driver
[23:40] <shoklowitz> Oh wait, you're router.
[23:40] <joe__> it was possible in windows
[23:40] <joe__> I had the same problem in ubuntu too
[23:41] <shoklowitz> My bad, you should be able to set your IP to whatever you want, as long as your router gets to handle your identity dynamically
[23:41] <kemal> shoklowitz: displayconfig-gtk
[23:41] <kemal> try it maybe helps
[23:42] <kemal> Screens and Graphics
[23:42] <kemal> Rank:
[23:42] <kemal> Package: displayconfig-gtkSimple tool to change xserver settings
[23:42] <kemal> Simple gtk tool to change xserver settings like graphics card driver or monitor.
[23:42] <kemal> It uses the guidance backend to manipulate the xorg.conf.
[23:42] <kemal> rank: four stars from users
[23:43] <kemal> bye for now
[23:44] <joe__> i has problemz
[23:45] <BluesKaj> what's with is this "my bad" BS , please speak English ,not ghettoese
[23:45] <joe__> dude
[23:46] <joe__> I change my ip to static instead dhcp, and it doesnt give me any ip at all
[23:59] <pulaski> Hi I run hardy 8.04. I'm trying to install a third party beta driver for my Sound Blaster X-Fi card. I've read that on 2.6 kernels the ALSA source include directory is "parsed automatically from the running kernel" if is is in the standart place.  I need to confirm that the path to the ALSA source include directory is in the standard location.  Does anyone know the absolute path to the ALSA source inlude direcoctory?