/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/01/#ubuntu+1.txt

baileyweiler	hey all, has anyone tried to install the nvidia drivers from the nvidia site and gotten a message that a Xen Kernel is installed?	00:33
RAOF	Yup. Anyone who's tried to install the drivers from nvidia.com has seen that message :)	00:33
baileyweiler	hahaha, awesome	00:34
baileyweiler	nice to know Nvidia loves us	00:34
RAOF	There's a patch on ubuntuforums, in the Intrepid section.	00:35
baileyweiler	dandy, thanks	00:36
=== DanaG1 is now known as DanaG
DanaG	argh, ralink rt2500 doesn't work.	01:08
bazhang	DanaG, is this an external pcmcia card	01:09
DanaG	Yeah.	01:11
DanaG	Cardbus, rather. (I'm kind of ***-retentive on that (and yes, the asterisks are me hitting ''))	01:12
DanaG	Also, the LEDs act a bit oddly.	01:13
DanaG	The "power" LED blinks on activity.... and the "activity" LED.... does nothing.	01:14
bazhang	while the company ralink is nice as far as OSS goes, their cards are just not that good in my experience.	01:14
DanaG	Yeah, and the antenna is rather suck-tacular.	01:25
bazhang	took me two weeks straight of sleepless work to get it going on Suse 10 (back in the day)	01:26
DanaG	I wonder if even Broadcom works any better.	01:29
bazhang	much.	01:30
RAOF	Can you get cardbus intel cards? 'Cause they Just Work.	01:30
DanaG	I think you can, actually.	01:31
DanaG	One interesting thing I wish somebody still sold:	01:31
DanaG	oh heck, I might be better off ndiswrapping the card.	01:31
DanaG	warning, pdf: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.minipci.biz%2Fvytek_ps_cardbus_Instructions_07-04.pdf&ei=-XppSIH4MJKOsAPLvJGnDQ&usg=AFQjCNGQwTHy0nN4SOdNgJaehxWmi8b-Bw&sig2=OilrS649eGi1jo3vahtVdQ	01:32
DanaG	argh, damn googlified links!	01:32
DanaG	http://www.minipci.biz/vytek_ps_cardbus_Instructions_07-04.pdf	01:32
DanaG	Hmm, for ndiswrapping (yes, using it as a verb)... are 98/Me, 2k, or XP drivers better to use?	01:36
* RAOF shrugs.		01:38
DanaG	Oh heck, it doesn't even work with ndiswrapper.	01:59
bazhang	iirc the 98 worked the best.	02:04
bazhang	for relative values of best :)	02:04
ASULutzy	Wow, I'm very impressed with Intrepid, even though it's alpha 1	02:14
ASULutzy	My wireless works out of the box (although the light still has the "off" color, should I report this?)	02:14
bazhang	report all :)	02:15
ASULutzy	bazhang: To be fair, I haven't restarted yet, I should try that before I can be 100% sure the light is staying orange and not turning blue ;)	02:16
bazhang	:)	02:16
DanaG	Odd: my onboard audio device goes silent when the volume hits 50% or lower.	02:24
derekS	how is the best way to determine a crash? my intrepid system has been crashing, i think i narrowed it down based on what i am doing (narrowed down to network) but i want to be sure, any suggestions?	02:26
DanaG	What behavior are you getting?	02:29
derekS	DanaG: kernel crash. everything freezes, cant even ssh in	02:29
derekS	i have tried all the sysrq stuff, doesn't work	02:30
ASULutzy	Is there anyway to load up Intrepid's theme in hardy? I like it a lot	02:30
derekS	ASULutzy: which is the new theme? mine looks like the old?	02:32
DanaG	Hmm, does caps lock start blinking? If so, that's a kernel panic.	02:32
ASULutzy	The dark theme?	02:32
DanaG	One thing that helps: switch to a console so you'll be able to actually read the panic message.	02:32
derekS	DanaG: i don't believe so	02:33
derekS	but i can't get to a console	02:33
derekS	everything is locked up	02:33
derekS	ASULutzy: them name	02:33
derekS	?	02:33
ASULutzy	Hmmm, how do I mount a samba drive? Apparently smbmount doesn't exist anymore?	02:33
ASULutzy	derekS: The theme doesn't have a name, it's just listed as "custom", it looks very similar to Hardy's theme except it's dark	02:34
derekS	ASULutzy: oh, i gotta check it out, i think i customized mine a while ago, so i have the old stuff	02:35
DanaG	What I mean is, got there _before_ the lockup.	02:35
ASULutzy	derekS: A while ago? I thought alpha one just came out like, this week?	02:35
ASULutzy	derekS: You must have installed Intrepid realllllll early ;)	02:36
derekS	ASULutzy: i did	02:36
derekS	day 1	02:36
derekS	i have a stable and an ubuntu+1 machine	02:36
ASULutzy	So how do I mount a samba share? smbmount doesn't work?	02:36
derekS	but its updated frequently...	02:36
DanaG	I upgraded to it when I saw that it had a newer PulseAudio version.	02:36
derekS	ASULutzy: i don't use samba	02:36
derekS	DanaG: so any suggestions?	02:37
ASULutzy	derekS: Yea, I just got rid of OpenSuse 11 to play with Intrepid... Intrepid has about as much polish lol	02:37
ASULutzy	Oh, I need to install smbfs to get smbmount, duh	02:37
jbroome	:)	02:41
ASULutzy	I hope they stick with the dark Gnome theme, it's really clean looking, and easy on the eyes	02:42
ASULutzy	With a darker wallpaper this would look very slick	02:42
DanaG	My current theme: http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png	02:43
ASULutzy	Stuck with Hardy's wallpaper though... I guess art isn't a high priority for alpha1	02:43
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ASULutzy	I'll take a screen shot of how it looks now and drop it there, one sec	02:44
ASULutzy	http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_1.png	02:44
ASULutzy	http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_1.1214876665.png	02:44
bazhang	DanaG, nice :)	02:44
DanaG	I like that gtk engine.	02:45
DanaG	Fedora uses the same engine, but their gtkrc isn't as nice.	02:45
=== hydrogen_ is now known as Hydrogen
G_009	selecting pulseaudio outputs sound thru pcsp	03:34
hyperair	sudo rmmod snd_pcsp	03:34
hyperair	and blacklist it	03:35
ASULutzy	Why doesn't ssh work in Intrepid?	04:30
=== DanaG1 is now known as DanaG
ASULutzy	Could someone please help? I'm completely unable to connect to my ssh server running hardy (I'm using Intrepid) I've copied over my key from the hardy install, and the configuration files are the same, but Intrepid refuses to connect. My desktop verifies that I have connected in /var/log/auth.log but I never get a $USER@host:-$ prompt on the client side...	04:38
ASULutzy	This seems to be like a pretty big bug?	04:38
ASULutzy	Restarting the client and booting into Hardy and everything is fine	04:38
ASULutzy	This is weird, I can connect to my ssh server (it's running Hardy) while I'm running hardy with no problems, in Intrepid, I've copied over ~/.ssh/identity from the Hardy install as well as made sure the config files (/etc/ssh/ssh_config) are the same in Hardy and Intrepid, but I'm able to connect in Hardy, and not in Intrepid. if I try ssh 192.168.0.102 in Intrepid it just hangs and I never get a $USER@host:-$ prompt, but checking /va	04:46
RAOF	ETOOLONG	04:46
Hydrogen	thats what she said	04:50
ASULutzy	Nice	04:50
ASULutzy	I've added some output to a pastebin, if anyone wants to take a look at that	04:50
ASULutzy	This is weird, I can connect to my ssh server (it's running Hardy) while I'm running hardy with no problems, in Intrepid, I've copied over ~/.ssh/identity from the Hardy install as well as made sure the config files (/etc/ssh/ssh_config) are the same in Hardy and Intrepid, but I'm able to connect in Hardy, and not in Intrepid. if I try ssh 192.168.0.102 in Intrepid it just hangs and I never get a $USER@host:-$ prompt, but checki	04:50
RAOF	ASULutzy: That text remains too long for IRC.	04:51
Hydrogen	no, you just remain absolutely useless	04:51
Hydrogen	oh	04:51
Hydrogen	I see	04:51
Hydrogen	yes	04:51
Hydrogen	EUSEMORENEWLINES	04:51
RAOF	ASULutzy: And to address your actual comment - this text is entered via ssh from an Intrepid box to a Hardy box.	04:52
ASULutzy	http://paste.ubuntu.com/24127/ <it's b0rked. please help. works in hardy. dont work in intrepid. same key copied from hardy to intrepid, kthx	04:52
ASULutzy	RAOF: heh, well, I've copied over ~/.ssh/identity from the hardy boot to the intrepid boot, and the config files are exactly the same. It works in Hardy, doesn't work in Intrepid.	04:53
ASULutzy	RAOF: I can md5sum them to prove it? :P	04:53
RAOF	Hm. That looks pretty working.	04:53
ASULutzy	RAOF: exactly	04:53
RAOF	At least; it's not failing pubkey auth.	04:53
ASULutzy	RAOF: And the server says it's successfully connected me (in /var/log/auth.log) the only problem is the terminal just sits there	04:54
ASULutzy	RAOF: I never get a prompt that says $USER@desktop:-$	04:54
RAOF	Yeah. It might be worth trying a different terminal emulator?	04:54
ASULutzy	RAOF: Which are you feeling lucky with?	04:55
RAOF	xterm has a certain retro charm.	04:55
RAOF	There's always an actual terminal option, too.	04:56
ASULutzy	RAOF: I'll try both. xterm has (at a glance) the exact same output but still no ryan@desktop:-$	04:56
ASULutzy	I'll try tty1	04:56
ASULutzy	looks the same... the worst part is I can't ctrl+c to stop it or anything	04:57
ASULutzy	I'm totally clueless right now....	04:58
RAOF	Yeah.	04:58
ASULutzy	All the outputs say I've connected successfully	04:58
ASULutzy	on both sides	04:58
ASULutzy	netstat -t agrees	04:58
RAOF	I seem to recall this happening before, but I can't remember how it resolved.	04:58
ASULutzy	lol, netstat -t shows that I have 3 estanlished ssh connections with the desktop, but I can't actually send stuff in any of them...	04:59
ASULutzy	I'll read over ssh_config, although the md5sum of the one in the hardy install and the intrepid install are the same... So not sure how much that'll help	04:59
ASULutzy	eb59056334fffc55e9f308f0e2315c38 /etc/ssh/ssh_config	05:01
ASULutzy	eb59056334fffc55e9f308f0e2315c38 /media/hardy/etc/ssh/ssh_config	05:01
ASULutzy	I call shenanigans.	05:01
DanaG	Hmm, could your login shell itself be screwed up?	05:11
DanaG	Try logging in with whatever it is that lets you not run your profile, and such.	05:11
DanaG	I don't remember the option, unfortunately.	05:11
ethana2	oh hey, I believe I heard that intrepid may ship with a theme from the dark family	05:14
ethana2	If this is so, I applaud the rest of you joining us and look forward to ubuntu looking, you know, /different/	05:15
ethana2	don't let the critics get you down, rock on, all that--- and goodnight, it's about my bedtime	05:15
ethana2	(still waiting for my new ubuntu dell to arrive...)	05:15
RAdams	I just installed the .26 kernel from packages.ubuntu.com (running hardy otherwise), and my sound is messed up: all staticky and what have you. running a latitude d800/pulse	05:16
RAdams	any recommendations for troubleshooting? it doesn't seem like it would be a permissions or file access issue; the sound works, it's just so "staticky" that it's barely intelligible. Should I update pulse to the current intrepid build, or is that asking for more trouble? I really only want the .26 kernel; I don't want to fully update to the intrepid alpha right now.	05:20
Hobbsee	RAdams: oh yeah, that's a known problem	05:21
Hobbsee	wgrant: do you still have instructions on how to fix that?	05:21
RAdams	oh... any fix for it? falling back to alsa, or something else?	05:21
Hobbsee	it appears lost in my history	05:22
Hobbsee	it's using the pcspkr instead of the actual decent sound.	05:22
RAdams	oh	05:22
RAdams	that makes sense	05:22
RAdams	why it sounds like crap	05:22
RAdams	i'll keep googling	05:22
RAdams	Hobbsee: is this it? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616845	05:25
RAdams	but these seem to be fixes for those running alsa -- I'm using pulse	05:26
Hobbsee	RAdams: the way i fixed it was a heck of a lot easier	05:26
RAdams	:(	05:26
RAdams	I'll keep looking...	05:26
RAdams	"One possibility is add following options in your /etc/modprobe.conf. options snd-intel-hda index=0 model=3stack"	05:28
RAdams	does that look familiar, Hobbsee?	05:28
Hobbsee	no	05:29
* Hobbsee looks up the log dates		05:29
RAdams	Q_Q	05:29
RAdams	Hobbsee: are you using alsa or pulse?	05:30
Hobbsee	26th of june. #ubuntu-devel	05:30
Hobbsee	!logs	05:30
Hobbsee	pulse	05:30
RAdams	!logs	05:30
Hobbsee	humm	05:31
RAdams	i'll hit the logs site	05:31
RAdams	26 june... ok	05:31
Hobbsee	RAdams: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/26/%23ubuntu-devel.html	05:32
DanaG	I'm lucky: my pc speaker doesn't function once snd-hda-intel loads.	05:32
Hobbsee	RAdams: search for hobbsee there, and keep reading down.	05:32
Hobbsee	from 5.11 is the important part.	05:32
RAdams	Hobbsee: I did it. It sounds much better now, but still staticky	05:36
RAdams	should i restart?	05:36
RAdams	DanaG: when I was googling, I actually saw that listed as a bug in a few bug trackers. haha	05:37
Hobbsee	you can try.	05:37
RAdams	brb	05:37
DanaG	And when in Windows, my pc speaker has only two volume settings: off, and way too loud.	05:37
DanaG	(or rather, not painfully, but merely very irritatingly, loud)	05:38
RAdams	Hobbsee: yeah, still getting staticky sound. How can I check to make sure it's not using pcspkr?	05:42
RAOF	Oh, I probably didn't notice this because I pipe everything off to an external server!	05:42
RAOF	That's why.	05:42
Hobbsee	RAOF: modprobe -r it?	05:43
Hobbsee	it's called something else now, though	05:43
RAOF	Hobbsee: No, I pull up the pulseaudio volume control quite often, because I generally pipe music to a separate box.	05:43
RAOF	And the setting's persistant, so something probably hit pcspk once, I moved it from there, and forgot about it.	05:44
RAdams	how do i check if it's using pcspk?	05:44
Hobbsee	sorry, that was to RAdams	05:44
RAdams	oh	05:44
RAOF	I'd install the padevchooser package, which will pull in the pulseaudio volume control, with which you can send streams to whatever device you choose.	05:45
RAdams	raof: i installed it an am running it, but I don't see where I select what sound device it should play on	05:47
RAOF	You right-click on a playback stream (such as Banshee, or rhythmbox, or whatever), and it brings up the device the stream is playing on.	05:48
RAOF	Alternatively, go to the Output Devices page, right click on something that isn't pcspk, and set as defalut.	05:49
RAdams	oh! it's working	05:51
* RAdams tinkers more		05:51
* RAdams slaps his 82891DB-ICH4 around a bit with a large trout		05:52
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Ziroday	Does alpha 1 not like virtualbox?	06:25
Hobbsee	probably not	06:25
Ziroday	would it like vmware better?	06:25
Hobbsee	i doubt it	06:31
Hobbsee	try real HW?	06:31
Hobbsee	actually, it should like it a bit - a lot of the testing was done that way	06:31
Ziroday	alrighty	06:32
RAOF	Wow, that's new. A spam with a link in it saying "report this spam".	06:53
hyperair	where did you get that from?	06:54
RAOF	I don't know. It's gone already.	06:54
hyperair	lol	06:55
hyperair	did you report it spam? =p	06:55
RAOF	:P	06:55
hyperair	don't tell me you really did O_O	06:56
RAOF	No, of course not.	06:56
RAOF	But it's an as-yet unfamiliar way of getting people to root their boxes.	06:56
hyperair	root their boxes? what dyou mean	06:57
RAOF	Download and run a trojan.	06:57
hyperair	swt	06:57
=== The-Compiler is now known as fuchsfuchsfuchs
Bodsda	Hi, is the 2.6.24-16-generic kernel used in Intrepid Alpha 1 the same as the one in Hardy?	12:08
Bodsda	hey bazhang	12:08
Bodsda	ok, is pulseaudio likely to be in Intrepid?	12:12
Bodsda	if so will it be configured correctly this time?	12:13
Bodsda	anyone in here alive and got info on Intrepid??	12:19
Bodsda	test	12:22
Pici	failed	12:22
Bodsda	damn	12:22
Pici	What kind of info are you looking for?	12:22
Bodsda	hey Pici, do you happen to know -- is the 2.6.24-16-generic kernel used in Intrepid Alpha 1 the same as the one in Hardy?	12:22
Pici	Bodsda: I dont know, but the launchpad page for the package should tell you	12:23
Bodsda	Pici, it appears OOTB wifi support (at least for my device) has been removed	12:23
Pici	Bodsda: I remember someone saying something about l-r-m not being available, but I might be mistaken about that.	12:24
Bodsda	il check LP cheers, also Pici, is pulseaudio likely to be in intrepid?	12:24
Bodsda	l-r-m?	12:24
Pici	linux-restricted-modules	12:24
Bodsda	ah, that could be my problem	12:25
Bodsda	could i download the deb on my hardy then trnasfer to my intrepid, build and it work?	12:25
* Pici shrugs		12:27
Bodsda	sounds like fun, cheers Pici	12:28
bazhang	Bodsda, what chipset	12:29
Bodsda	rt73	12:29
bazhang	ouch	12:29
Bodsda	yeah huh	12:30
bazhang	I had a rt61	12:30
Bodsda	its buggy on Hardy and i thought maybe intrpeid fixed it, guess not (or not yet)	12:30
Bodsda	bazhang, wow, thats going back a bit	12:30
bazhang	Bodsda, it caused me no end of grief	12:31
Bodsda	bazhang, well this one works out of the box, but buggy, i filed an LP bug but no reply in over a month, no joy on UF or #ubuntu im totally stumped by it, and so's everyone i talk to about it	12:32
bazhang	they are a nice company (ralink) for OSS, but the cards could be better Bodsda	12:33
Bodsda	me = teenager; which inturn = unemployed; which in-turn = skint	12:33
bazhang	I hear that Bodsda :)	12:34
Bodsda	I'd love to walk my ass down to pcworld (after checking the ubuntu supported wifi devices) and go il have that one! but i can only do that with a 'oh damn, old bill RUN!!!'	12:35
bazhang	hehe	12:35
Bodsda	bazhang, anyidea what the latest available kernel is?	12:38
bazhang	Bodsda, not sure; will check though	12:39
Bodsda	bazhang, cheers! (check how?)	12:39
bazhang	2.6.26 Bodsda	12:40
bazhang	http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=intrepid+ibex+kernel+version&btnG=Google+Search	12:41
Bodsda	-1* ?	12:41
Hobbsee	-2	12:41
Hobbsee	iirc	12:41
Bodsda	2.6.26-12?	12:41
Bodsda	or	12:41
Bodsda	2.6.26-2	12:41
Pici	!info linux intrepid	12:41
ubottu	linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.26.2.2 (intrepid), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB	12:41
Bodsda	.2.2	12:42
Bodsda	cheers Pici Hobbsee bazhang and the bot	12:42
Bodsda	hhmm -- http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ only has 2.6.25	12:44
JGJones	Greetings	13:11
hyperair	greetings	13:11
JGJones	Is anyone running Ibex in VMware?	13:11
JGJones	And if so, what do you do to make it work? No success here (freeze up after login)	13:11
hyperair	not here	13:12
hyperair	it's installed but not running on my machine because they've conveniently broken nvidia	13:13
hyperair	so i either use the crappy nv driver and go compizless or stare at a black screen with a blinking cursor	13:13
hyperair	how very annoying	13:13
JGJones	well it's alpha after all. Anyhow I'm looking for vmware installations not "on machine" installations :)	13:15
hyperair	why vmware and not virtualbox?	13:16
JGJones	Good question. VMware does networking etc better as well as I can actually have a working USB within virtual machines.	13:17
hyperair	um virtualbox's gone a long way	13:17
hyperair	i'd say vmware and virtualbox are on par in terms of networking	13:17
hyperair	and usb	13:17
hyperair	now at least	13:17
JGJones	VirtualBox - I just can't get USB to work despite all the guides I've followed. And I can't get bridged network to work on vbox either.	13:18
hyperair	ah	13:19
hyperair	oh well	13:19
hyperair	virtualbox's always given me better support than vmware	13:20
JGJones	however I should point out that after I changed to vmware (it's also a company-bought product anyway) I stupidly found out that I shouldn't be getting bridged network on a wireless card so that bit is my fault not vbox.	13:20
JGJones	it's not supported.	13:20
hyperair	eh?	13:20
hyperair	actually... bridged network on a wireless card is possible	13:20
hyperair	i've done it before	13:20
hyperair	it's just a lil weird	13:20
hyperair	you just gotta whack out networkmanager and gang so they don't interfere	13:20
JGJones	It's possible...but not supported and I'll rather take the easy way out instead of hacking around :)	13:21
hyperair	heh	13:22
hyperair	the easy way _is_ hacking around ;)	13:22
JGJones	hmm...anyhow I do plan to switch to KVM sometime though.	13:23
hyperair	eh?!	13:23
hyperair	well	13:23
hyperair	to put it bluntly, you're not going to be able to get bridged nteworking and stuff working on kvm if you can't even handle virtualbox	13:23
hyperair	last i heard, kvm's using qemu or something of that sort	13:24
hyperair	some sort of modified qemu	13:24
hyperair	and so is virtualbox, but virtualbox has a gui, and kvm doesn't	13:24
hyperair	also virtualbox has all the features which is all the rage in kvm,	13:25
hyperair	including the whole cpu extensions thing	13:25
JGJones	I have nothing against vbox :) the killer thing for me is USB which I haven't gotten to work and I haven't got the time to fix it when vmware does it just fine.	13:26
JGJones	and the KVM is for me to learn and play.	13:26
hyperair	ah	13:27
hyperair	well.	13:27
hyperair	didn't you follow the guides closely?	13:27
JGJones	Very closely. I'm not sure why it does not work for me and I don't really have the time. If it was my own project I would look into it more closely.	13:28
JGJones	(the USB is for Windows XP virtual btw)	13:28
hyperair	yeah it works for me	13:33
hyperair	=\	13:33
hyperair	one line in the fstab	13:33
hyperair	restart	13:33
hyperair	and that's it	13:33
molgrum	hi i need help with installing nvidia drivers on 8.10	13:34
hyperair	none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1001,devmode=664	13:34
hyperair	8.10 has no nvidia drivers!	13:34
hyperair	that's right! they left it out!	13:34
hyperair	>=(	13:34
molgrum	darnit :(	13:34
hyperair	T_T	13:34
hyperair	yes	13:34
hyperair	cry with me	13:34
hyperair	fellow nvidia user	13:34
molgrum	:~~~~~~(	13:34
hyperair	oh fsck. this channel is logged isn't it	13:34
hyperair	lol	13:35
ASULutzy	Got a really weird ssh problem in Intrepid, can be found here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845825 I filed a bug report, but I want to be sure it's not just stupidity on my part	13:36
molgrum	so there is no way to install nvidia drivers on 8.10 atm?	13:36
tomd123	so 8.10 alpha 1 is pretty stable for me, only thing that broke was the sound when i logged in :)	13:36
molgrum	this 60Hz is killing my eyes	13:36
tomd123	molgrum: you have a crt?	13:37
molgrum	yeah	13:37
ASULutzy	sound was a bit messed up for me, but I fixed it, and open ssh seems borkin. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845825 problem here	13:37
molgrum	it can handle 1280x1024@85Hz	13:37
tomd123	molgrum: oh, 60hz on lcd is stan :)	13:37
JGJones	hyperair - I did that for vbox and still no joy. Anyway another reason for KVM - I have a server with no GUI. Can vbox work in commandline only?	13:37
molgrum	but now without nvidia drivers it's 800x600@60Hz	13:38
tomd123	molgrum: ouch	13:38
hyperair	JGJones: yes.	13:38
hyperair	molgrum: are you saying you actually got nvidia drivers running?	13:38
tomd123	yeah, i heard nvidia drivers didn't work, sad	13:38
hyperair	or is that vesa	13:38
hyperair	like.. rescue mode and stuff	13:38
molgrum	hyperair: it's vesa now	13:38
hyperair	yeah	13:38
hyperair	ah	13:38
molgrum	since 8.10 doesn't have any nvidia drivers	13:38
hyperair	you can always use nv	13:39
hyperair	it's for nvidia	13:39
hyperair	supports high res and high refresh rates	13:39
hyperair	but!	13:39
molgrum	does it work for 8800gts?	13:39
hyperair	no compiz for you	13:39
hyperair	um i'm not sure about that card	13:39
molgrum	i don't care about compiz :)	13:39
hyperair	it's worth a try	13:39
molgrum	alright, how do i get those drivers?	13:40
tomd123	i hate compiz on by default, it wastes so much processor	13:40
hyperair	nv is installed by default	13:42
molgrum	hmm	13:42
molgrum	audacious crashes on startup now :(	13:42
hyperair	lol	13:42
hyperair	that's alpha software for yo	13:43
hyperair	u	13:43
molgrum	at least amarok works	13:44
molgrum	hyperair: so i just change the "Driver nvidia" to "Driver nv"?	13:45
ASULutzy	ssh problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845825 any ideas?	13:46
molgrum	gonna try this now	13:47
tomd123	so I have an ipod nano (3rd gen) and when I restart my laptop with it plugged in, it doesn't get past the vendor logo (vaio), do you think it's a bug?	13:49
greenpen	Anyone else getting this error when mounting a windows share "DBus error, Mountpoint Already registered". Trying to work out if its a bug or my Samba settings.	13:50
tomd123	or could it be finding an boot record on the ipod since it's usb and my laptop is usb enabled, and it's trying to boot to the apple firmware?!?!	13:50
molgrum	alright nice	13:51
molgrum	except for a black flicker occuring sometimes when it's just set a new resolution	13:52
ASULutzy	greenpen: I've neen able to mount a drive with smbmount	13:52
ASULutzy	been*	13:52
greenpen	Asulutzy: Thanks, not tried doing it via the console, will try it.	13:53
ASULutzy	greenpen: Yep, I used sudo smbmount //192.168.0.102/theshare /media/share -o username=$USER	13:55
ASULutzy	greenpen: and it worked	13:55
hyperair	i don't think you need smbmount	13:56
hyperair	unless you're not in the fuse group	13:56
hyperair	i mean	13:56
hyperair	sudo	13:56
ASULutzy	Solve my ssh problem, get a cookie: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=846096	13:59
hyperair	do cookies come through paypal?	14:00
molgrum	lol, my pc speaker is beeping when X starts	14:00
hyperair	ASULutzy: is your /dev/pts mounted?	14:01
ASULutzy	hmm	14:04
hyperair	mount \| grep devpts	14:04
ASULutzy	devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)	14:05
hyperair	oookaay	14:06
hyperair	then it's not a devpts problem after all	14:06
hyperair	so weird	14:06
hyperair	wait a sec. why does your devpts have such a long line of mount arguments	14:06
hyperair	try unmounting devpts	14:07
hyperair	sudo umount /dev/pts	14:07
hyperair	and remounting it with "sudo mount none /dev/pts -t devpts"	14:07
hyperair	sorry	14:07
hyperair	sudo mount -t devpts -o rw none /dev/pts	14:07
ASULutzy	k will try that now	14:07
ASULutzy	ryan@ubuntu:~$ sudo umount /dev/pts	14:08
ASULutzy	[sudo] password for ryan:	14:08
ASULutzy	umount: /dev/pts: device is busy.	14:08
ASULutzy	(In some cases useful info about processes that use	14:08
ASULutzy	the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))	14:08
hyperair	meh	14:08
hyperair	lsof /dev/pts	14:09
hyperair	um	14:09
hyperair	nevermind	14:09
hyperair	looks like you cant umount it easily	14:09
hyperair	what's with gid=5 anyway	14:09
ASULutzy	;)	14:09
hyperair	dyou have any entry regarding /dev/pts in your /etc/fstab?	14:09
ASULutzy	ryan@ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/fstab	14:10
ASULutzy	# /etc/fstab: static file system information.	14:10
ASULutzy	#	14:10
ASULutzy	# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>	14:10
ASULutzy	proc /proc proc defaults 0 0	14:10
ASULutzy	# /dev/sda7	14:10
ASULutzy	UUID=0b48aa2c-6209-49d8-8ca8-fa8a05c558cf / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1	14:10
ASULutzy	# /dev/sda6	14:10
ASULutzy	UUID=9e8cb33b-fa34-429a-a6d7-38fa5ace081f none swap sw 0 0	14:10
ASULutzy	/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0	14:10
hyperair	that's all?	14:11
hyperair	oh well	14:11
hyperair	i have no idea then	14:11
hyperair	what's group id 5?	14:11
ASULutzy	How would I check?	14:11
hyperair	nevermind	14:11
hyperair	it's "tty" i think	14:11
hyperair	are you in group tty?	14:11
hyperair	groups \| grep tty	14:12
ASULutzy	ryan@ubuntu:~$ groups	14:12
ASULutzy	ryan adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin admin	14:12
ASULutzy	nope	14:12
hyperair	well it's definitely a problem with your devpts	14:14
hyperair	i don't know how you got it messed up like that	14:14
ASULutzy	hmmm ok, I'll update the thread accordingly, any intuition on how to fix it?	14:14
hyperair	it's because of gid=5,mode=620	14:14
ASULutzy	This is a fresh alpha 1 install	14:14
hyperair	fresh you say?	14:14
hyperair	um	14:15
ASULutzy	All I did was install it, and that's it	14:15
hyperair	hmm	14:15
hyperair	when and where does devpts get mounted anyway	14:15
hyperair	gimme some time to search up stuff	14:15
hyperair	update the bug report accordingly	14:15
hyperair	just show your devpts mount line	14:15
ASULutzy	Will do	14:15
hyperair	someone with authority will come along and help you out i think	14:15
hyperair	ASULutzy: try putting this line in your /etc/fstab and see if a reboot helps	14:17
hyperair	none /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0	14:18
ASULutzy	Ok, rebooting now?	14:18
ASULutzy	Hmmm, didn't work	14:23
ASULutzy	ryan@ubuntu:~$ mount \| grep pts	14:24
ASULutzy	devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)	14:24
ASULutzy	ryan@ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/fstab	14:24
ASULutzy	# /etc/fstab: static file system information.	14:24
ASULutzy	#	14:24
ASULutzy	# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>	14:24
ASULutzy	proc /proc proc defaults 0 0	14:24
ASULutzy	# /dev/sda7	14:24
ASULutzy	UUID=0b48aa2c-6209-49d8-8ca8-fa8a05c558cf / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1	14:24
ASULutzy	# /dev/sda6	14:24
ASULutzy	UUID=9e8cb33b-fa34-429a-a6d7-38fa5ace081f none swap sw 0 0	14:24
Pici	...	14:24
ASULutzy	/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0	14:24
ASULutzy	none /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0	14:24
Hobbsee	!paste	14:25
Pici	ASULutzy: Please use a pastebin	14:25
ubottu	pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)	14:25
ASULutzy	Yea my bad, I join #ubuntu+1 and I throw all the rules out the window ;)	14:25
ASULutzy	Anyway, was in reference to this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5297734	14:26
ASULutzy	ssh seems broken for me, know idea why	14:26
jonpackard	Hi. Anybody here running Intrepid in a Virtualbox VM?	15:09
jonpackard	I'm wondering if anybody has figured out how to get the virtualbox guest kernel modules working. I haven't had any luck and couldn't find anything about it.	15:10
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molgrum	in "software sources", the checkbox for important security updates doesn't display if it's checked or not	15:20
MaximLevitsky	Will kde3 be aviable in interpid?	15:30
MaximLevitsky	I see that 'kate' has only kde4 version	15:30
hyperair	i don't think so	15:31
hyperair	a lot of stuff got the -kde4 suffix removed	15:31
MaximLevitsky	I am fine with that, but what about kde3 applications	15:32
JGJones	jonpackard - I'm having no luck running Intrepid in VMware myself - you have the same in VirtualBox?	15:32
MaximLevitsky	I need kscope, but it is kde3 only	15:32
MaximLevitsky	ans this needs kate3	15:32
MaximLevitsky	I am not aware of any gtk cscope frontends	15:33
MaximLevitsky	I would be glad to use any	15:33
jonpackard	JGJones - Are you getting kernel panics right after the grub messages?	15:47
pheeror	JGJones: can you be more specific please?	15:48
pheeror	what errors do you get?	15:48
JGJones	Sure...	15:48
JGJones	Install just fine.	15:48
JGJones	recovery mode just fine.	15:48
JGJones	It's the login - enter username and password - press enter.	15:48
JGJones	I'm then facing a nice brown blank screen.	15:48
JGJones	and nothing	15:48
pheeror	so no kernel panic?	15:49
JGJones	Have tried to drop it to command (Ctrl-alt-F1 (using spacebar) etc but nothing	15:49
JGJones	not even ctrl-alt-backspace works.	15:49
JGJones	CPU etc drops to 0% on it.	15:49
JGJones	I can't say if it's a kernel panic if I just get a blank brown screen after login, but since it respond to nothing else...	15:51
pheeror	hm i asked because i'm getting a boot time kernel panic	15:51
hyperair	you can't exactly see the keyboard leds blinking either since it's in a vm	15:52
JGJones	Indeed - I'm downloading virtualbox 1.62 atm and will try with that	15:52
EagleScreen	will kubuntu 8.10 use compiz effects, i have seen the utiluty for enable it installed on Intrepid Alpha 1, i think it should be replaced by native KDE4 desktop effects	15:52
DanaG	hyperair: you could try giving the VM a USB keyboard.	15:52
JGJones	pheeror - I don't get that - it install successfully in VMware. If I drop to recovery mode, I can then start up HAL, DBus, network manager etc and do an apt-get update etc	15:54
hyperair	i don't have a usb keyboard	15:54
ASULutzy	Just going to drop this off here in case anyone else wants to look, weird ssh problem in Intrepid: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=846096	15:54
hyperair	ASULutzy: try adding yourself to the tty group	15:55
ASULutzy	Ok, thanks hyperair, I'm at work right now, maybe at lunch I can sneak a reboot in (I use Hardy at work... Don't really feel 100% safe using Intrepid yet ;))	15:56
hyperair	um don't	15:56
hyperair	intrepid's unstable as hell	15:56
Hobbsee	...and you expected what?	15:57
hyperair	lol	15:57
ASULutzy	hyperair: Right I know, I have it on its own partition, it's not messing around with my Hardy install :)	15:57
hyperair	i'm lucky i have my archlinux root here, or i'd just go compizless until they get nvidia fixed	15:57
hyperair	T_T	15:57
DanaG	Oh yeah...	15:58
DanaG	you can emulate a serial port in the VM.	15:58
DanaG	And then you can get a console on it.	15:59
DanaG	I don't remember how to do that, though.	15:59
DanaG	But essentially, you'd be using a serial console on the virtual machine, from the host.	15:59
hyperair	interesting	15:59
hyperair	well it depends on which vm you're using	15:59
hyperair	not that i know how with any of them	15:59
hyperair	i think qemu has an option somewhere	15:59
JGJones	VMware - attach serial port to 3 options - phyiscal port, to a file or to a named pipe	16:01
JGJones	virtualbox - dunno...it's installing :)	16:01
hyperair	named pipe?	16:01
jonpackard	Pheeror - I'm using virtualbox and I get frequent kernel panics immediately after grub.. I reboot once or twice and it boots fine	16:01
hyperair	in virtualbox you can create a host pipe	16:02
hyperair	i think named pipe means you provide the path	16:03
hyperair	then it creates a pipe similra to mkfifo	16:03
hyperair	but how dyou communicate with a pipe anyway	16:03
bazhang	cat /etc/apt/sources.list \| pastebinit	16:04
pheeror	the problem i've got is ~"attempt to acces beyond the device" and consequently the init can't be found - it don't suspect filesystem or hardware failure because it runs fine with .24 and i had done fsck -f .I have it installed natively nativel on thinkad t40 btw	16:04
hyperair	well it obviously isn't a one way pipe	16:05
hyperair	it's a rw pipe	16:05
hyperair	if you're to get a shell i mean	16:05
bazhang	rw pipe? how does one do that	16:06
JGJones	hyperair...I've not idea how to connect to a pipe either	16:06
hyperair	meh	16:06
hyperair	no idea	16:06
hyperair	you could just try to cat it i guess	16:06
hyperair	then you get a one way pipe	16:06
JGJones	anyway virtualbox is installed and ready, so gonna install intrepid onto that now.	16:07
hyperair	good luck	16:08
hyperair	i don't even have the iso	16:08
bazhang	http://bashcurescancer.com/man/cmd/mkfifo	16:09
jonpackard	JGJones - if you figure out how to get the guest utilities working (mouse and video integration), please let me know.. I'm searching all over for it but haven't found jack =)	16:09
JGJones	OK, however I wouldn't expect it to work perfectly on Intrepid - it is in alpha after all.	16:09
hyperair	doesn't just running their installer work?	16:10
jonpackard	the pre-compiled sources aren't available in the repo yet and the install script from Virtualbox fails with compile errors	16:12
jonpackard	thanks very much JGJ =)	16:12
hyperair	oh lol	16:13
hyperair	kernel errors eh	16:13
hyperair	wait a sec	16:13
hyperair	do you have the kernel headers installed?	16:13
jonpackard	yep.. installed build-essential, kernel headers and even kernel source just for good measure =)	16:14
jonpackard	let me grab that error...	16:14
hyperair	pastebinit	16:14
jonpackard	here's the kernel panic I get frequently at boot w/ virtualbox...	16:20
jonpackard	1.120031 Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt	16:20
jonpackard	luckily it only happens 2/3 boots and it happens very fast :D	16:20
molgrum	how do i find out what software sources i have checked, textbased? since the GUI is buggy i can't see if i checked security updates or not	16:25
pheeror	/etc/apt or just run aptitude update and check the output	16:26
molgrum	thanks man :)	16:28
pheeror	d'rien mon amie	16:31
mvo_	molgrum: hm, the gui is buggy in what way? is there a bugnumber about this? or do you use powerpc :) ?	16:36
jonpackard	hyperair - here's the error installing guest tools in intrepid: http://pastebin.com/f61d446a5	16:37
molgrum	mvo_: hehe no idea, the bug for me is that i can't see if the "security updates" checkbox is checked, it's _always_ blank	16:37
mvo_	molgrum: hm, not good. this is hardy or intrepid? what architecture?	16:37
molgrum	8.10	16:38
molgrum	i just updated from hardy	16:38
molgrum	amd64	16:38
mvo_	molgrum: thanks!	16:38
molgrum	np :)	16:38
molgrum	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/244093 same checkbox problem :P	16:40
ubottu	Launchpad bug 244093 in software-properties "Checking intrepid-security adds source to Third-Party Software" [Undecided,Confirmed]	16:40
JGJones	well I guess it's a bug with vmware - it's loaded successfully in virtualbox	16:49
hyperair	ha	16:50
hyperair	virtualbox > vmware	16:50
hyperair	=D	16:50
JGJones	aye - although virtualbox could do with a better way of accessing ISO files - I don't need to register them all :)	16:51
JGJones	anyway onto trying vbox's addons.	16:52
hyperair	lol yes i agree	16:52
JGJones	and first time look at the...err...dark theme....	16:52
hyperair	lol	16:52
hyperair	i've seen a screenshot of it	16:52
hyperair	they should pick a glossier dark theme if they really MUST have a dark theme	16:53
hyperair	something so bland	16:53
hyperair	[ugh	16:53
JGJones	I really don't like coffee...and this is too much like coffee	16:53
hyperair	i like coffee	16:54
hyperair	but i hate the theme	16:54
hyperair	leave coffee out of this!	16:54
pheeror	the theme is just extraordinary	16:54
hyperair	extraordinarily bad	16:54
Pici	I like chocolate.	16:54
ethana2	chocolate is amazing!	16:54
ethana2	ohhhh, this is about the dark themes	16:55
ethana2	I use a dark theme	16:55
hyperair	so do i	16:55
ethana2	it's amazing too, but web pages are poorly coded	16:55
hyperair	but it looks infinitely better than that	16:55
pheeror	i like how the orange and green looks on the grey background	16:55
ethana2	well of course it would	16:55
pheeror	hyperair: do you have a link (to a screenshot at least) ?	16:55
JGJones	I'm not a fan of dark themes myself even though I tend to use a black wallpaper :)	16:55
ethana2	Mine is just glossy with colors swapped out-- it's all black, dark gredy, and deep blue	16:56
ethana2	heh, I don't use a wallpaper, I just have it blank-- nautilus turned off and everything	16:56
ethana2	sometimes I use screensavers	16:56
JGJones	jonpackard - just ran the VBoxLinuxAdditions.run - and it now state Successfully installed the vbox guest additions.	16:56
JGJones	just need to reboot...	16:56
ethana2	but then I have problems with them and the xscreensaver folks act like I'm doing something unnatural with their code	16:56
hyperair	pheeror: lost it	16:57
pheeror	what about the default fedora theme?	16:57
pheeror	anybody like(s?) it here?	16:57
ethana2	nodoka? nice but white based	16:58
hyperair	never seen it	16:58
ethana2	I must have my darkness	16:58
ethana2	at least I think that's the one we're talking about	16:58
JGJones	jonpackard - looking at your pastebin, look like you're using vbox 1.5.6 - I'm using the latest - 1.6.2	16:58
JGJones	um...avoid installing 1.6.2 vbox additions then...	17:00
molgrum	when is nvidia drivers due for intrepid?	17:00
hyperair	i have no idea	17:00
hyperair	but i can't use intrepid until then	17:00
hyperair	T_T	17:00
molgrum	i think they are already in, but marked as unstable	17:01
molgrum	http://packages.ubuntu.com/sv/intrepid/nvidia-glx-new	17:01
DanaG	Here's my theme:	17:02
DanaG	http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png	17:02
DanaG	hyperair: there's a thread on the forums about how to use nvidia.	17:03
DanaG	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=833633&page=3	17:03
hyperair	link please? =D	17:03
* DanaG hopes that was just a timing issue on that reply. =þ		17:04
hyperair	DanaG: um nice artifacts	17:05
hyperair	in the screenshot i mean	17:05
* hyperair hates his latency		17:05
hyperair	i need 96.43.05	17:05
DanaG	Aah.	17:05
DanaG	Dang.	17:06
DanaG	Those artifacts are gnome-screenshot, by the way.	17:06
DanaG	I mean, the screenshot thingy makes the artifacts.	17:06
DanaG	I love having fish in the sky... it's amusing.	17:06
DanaG	That theme is a nice non-glossy.	17:07
ethana2	I filed an enhancement on gnome, about desktop backgrounds	17:08
DanaG	Oh yeah, I wish it'd support argb.	17:08
ethana2	saying you should be able to select videos, screensavers, mirror(via cheese), and stuff	17:08
DanaG	For things like transparent png images.	17:08
ethana2	they said I was looking for KDE	17:08
hyperair	how nice	17:08
ethana2	ooh, DanaG: yes. very yes.	17:08
ethana2	b/w .svg's with my own background color? oh yeah	17:08
DanaG	ARGB support also isn't frivolous.	17:08
ethana2	frivolous?	17:09
DanaG	It'd let you make the desktop window semitransparent, so other things can show through from underneath.	17:09
DanaG	I'm thinking they might be calling videos "frivolous"	17:09
ethana2	..like your background color	17:09
ethana2	so Vista will have it while we don't...	17:09
ethana2	because it's over the top..	17:09
ethana2	They'll come around once everyone gets used to the feature	17:09
DanaG	I like videos as wallpaper when in Vista..... it's just a bummer that WMV (as most I find are) is cpu-rapeagey.	17:10
ethana2	you know we can do better than that	17:10
lamalex	videos as wall paper?	17:10
ethana2	lamalex: yes of course	17:10
lamalex	that sounds distracting as hell	17:10
ethana2	I even took a lot driving through canada	17:10
DanaG	Not always.	17:10
DanaG	Look a dream.wincustomize.com	17:10
ethana2	so that when they finally do it, I'm ready with my own	17:10
DanaG	There are some really good ones.	17:10
ethana2	and they're nice, peaceful things	17:10
ethana2	I got a lot of water stuff, grass blowing in the wind	17:11
lamalex	interesting	17:11
ethana2	so I've spent like a half hour of my life in anticipation of this feature	17:11
lamalex	actually that's pretty cool	17:11
DanaG	ARGB desktop background support would fix multiple things with just a single changeset.	17:11
ethana2	and the first DE that gives it to me gets another user/bug finder/evangelist	17:11
DanaG	Different wallpapers per workspace (set 100% transparent in Gnome, and use Compiz).	17:12
lamalex	My first thought was like skate videos as my desktop	17:12
ethana2	lamalex: no, that's a bit spax	17:12
ethana2	spaz** of course, you /could/...	17:12
ethana2	distros should ship a few good ones	17:12
DanaG	Desktop with a "window" to inside the cube -- just use transparent png.	17:12
DanaG	Desktop with a video: fine, set 100% transparent, and use xwinwrap to background the video.	17:13
ethana2	DanaG: what I was thinking was masking .svgs	17:13
ethana2	more elegant than that-- like there's always an awesome background	17:13
DanaG	And it can't be all that hard to implement argb support, can it?	17:13
ethana2	but the wrong color	17:13
ethana2	so if they were all just b/w with alpha, I could set my own color nice and simple	17:13
lamalex	is different wall paper per desktop planned? It was always my understanding that that was harder than it sounded and meant rethinking workspaces in GNOME	17:14
DanaG	ARGB support would fix THAT too, though only under compiz.	17:14
lamalex	which isn't a bad thing, it just sounded like no one in GNOME wanted to do it	17:15
hyperair	lamalex: i thought the wallpaper plugin in compiz fusion could do that	17:15
DanaG	You could just set the Gnome wallpaper to 100% transparent, and delegate the real wallpaper to something else.	17:15
lamalex	real wall paper?	17:15
lamalex	que?	17:15
DanaG	Like the Wallpaper plugin in compiz-fusion.	17:16
DanaG	As it is right now, you can't use that plugin with Nautilus.	17:16
DanaG	Nautilus gives you no way to say "don't draw the wallpaper!"	17:16
hyperair	oh	17:16
DanaG	So... Nautilus just draws its own, and completely blocks the other one.	17:16
pheeror	like there weren't waaaaaaay bigger problems	17:16
lamalex	ahh, I dont use compiz	17:16
pheeror	drag and drop and text copying (!!!) among others	17:16
DanaG	I wish I knew gtk2 coding... then I could add the argb support myself!	17:17
lamalex	time to learn :)	17:17
ethana2	DanaG: that's why I turn nautilus off	17:17
ethana2	completely	17:17
pheeror	you select text, close application and then can push the spirit out of your mouse's middle button but it just won't paste	17:17
ethana2	if I want to see my /home, I'll open it from Places	17:17
pheeror	but fuck it,let's implement wmv backgrounds ....	17:17
hyperair	why wmv?	17:18
hyperair	why not avi or some other more common format?	17:18
DanaG	I don't ask for that... I ask for ARGB support.	17:18
lamalex	wmv? or something free	17:18
DanaG	Then have something else draw stuff.	17:18
pheeror	maybe .... i wasn't serious? ;-)	17:18
lamalex	ha oh	17:18
hyperair	swt	17:19
DanaG	swt?	17:19
DanaG	java?	17:19
pheeror	and that drag'n'drop thingie, you select an object and then can't change a workspace with keyboards shorcut - also a cool feature	17:19
JGJones	hyperair - seem virtualbox now suffer from same issue I get in vmware - login to a lovely blank brown screen and no further.	17:19
hyperair	lol	17:20
hyperair	how nice	17:20
ethana2	if background videos come to file type support, we should stick to theora/dirac	17:20
hyperair	i heard from someone that there's a probability of 2/3 of it not managing to log in	17:20
hyperair	=p	17:20
hyperair	the other 1/3 of the time it'll log in	17:20
* DanaG hollers: I WANT ARGB!		17:20
JGJones	yup although this happened after I had installed the virtualbox additions (I've got that same kernal panic error too on top)	17:21
hyperair	DanaG: wrong place to holler	17:21
ethana2	we so need a solid bounty system	17:22
DanaG	Then I could use this svg image and have the transparent areas be truly transparent!	17:22
DanaG	(warning: big cpu-rapeagey svg) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=color-grey-translucent.svg	17:22
jonpackard	thanks for the info JGJ.. I'll try it with a different version of virtualbox and see what happens.. maybe I can help figure out the bug you're getting =)	17:22
JGJones	oh well gotta love snapshots...back to normal, minus the virtualbox guest additions - jonpackard - first time I installed it, I was getting grey blocks everywhere and ended up on a grey screen, dropping into recovery fixed it...nothing is replicated though so YMMV	17:23
jonpackard	heh much love for snapshots in virtualbox here too.. seems much better implemented than snapshots in vmware.. last time I used it anyways =)	17:24
DanaG	Here's something annoying:	17:25
DanaG	Try making a snapshot on a host volume that's short on space.	17:25
DanaG	... It'll fail (out of space).	17:25
DanaG	Now try to delete the snapshot......	17:25
DanaG	It'll fail (out of space).	17:25
DanaG	It takes MORE disk space to delete a snapshot.	17:25
DanaG	s/more //	17:25
jonpackard	hmmm.. that is annoying.. time for a bigger /home partition =)	17:26
hyperair	my home partition is 160GB and i'm running out of space T_T	17:26
ethana2	Once I dd my entire DVD collection on my 120GB HDD	17:27
ethana2	I may be running out of space too ;)	17:27
jonpackard	yikes.. i get by with a 120GB HD.. 30GB windoze (I occasionally play NWN2 and my wife plays Sims 2), 10GB root and roughly 80GB home	17:27
ethana2	hopefully after that I can move to 32 GB	17:28
lamalex	I really wish the sims worked in wine	17:28
ethana2	you know, when SSD throughput gets high enough	17:28
DanaG	Heh: http://picpaste.com/got_symlinks.jpg	17:28
DanaG	I had a recursive symlink on an ext3 volume, and used it with ext2fsd under Windows.	17:28
DanaG	I tried moving stuff from one volume to another, and it said I needed something like 1.2 terabytes more space.	17:29
DanaG	(note: the source drive is a "250" gig drive.	17:29
JGJones	jonpackard - vmware snapshot manager is excellent...better than virtualbox in terms of visualling* your snapshots (*err...not sure of the right spelling)	17:29
ethana2	I remember spacemonger-- do we have an equivalent yet that doesn't suck?	17:29
hyperair	DanaG: wtf huge svg T_T	17:30
jonpackard	hmm maybe i was not using the beefed up version of vmware.. i remember only being able to make a single snapshot for each VM	17:31
DanaG	ethana2: filelight -- but it doesn't do sparse files correctly, if I remember correctly.	17:31
JGJones	jonpackard - am using 30 days evaluation vmware workstation 6	17:31
DanaG	VMWare interface is a bit too bulky for my liking.	17:32
pheeror	for testing iso images nothing can't beat qemu -cdrom foo.iso	17:32
hyperair	you mean everything beats it	17:32
pheeror	fuck you	17:33
pheeror	when it comes to ui	17:33
ethana2	!ohmy	17:33
ubottu	Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.	17:33
DanaG	http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=230849	17:33
ubottu	Debian bug 230849 in filelight "filelight confused by sparse-files and links" [Normal,Open]	17:33
JGJones	DanaG - agreed - virtualbox is better there...there are pro and cons for both but they both are very good nonetheless...at least for ipex - virtualbox beats vmware in that it does work :)	17:33
hyperair	lol	17:33
jonpackard	ahh.. i always used vmware server.. 30-day trial wasn't appealing =)	17:35
hyperair	what?	17:36
hyperair	what 30 day trial	17:36
JGJones	hyperair - go to vmware and get a evaluation key - allow you to use VMware for 30 dyas.	17:37
h3sp4wn_	Has anyone played with the 3d acceleration in trunk vbox or vmware beta	17:37
hyperair	meh	17:37
hyperair	virtualbox has no key! hah	17:37
JGJones	hyperair - only if for personal use for the version with USB - as I use it commerically, I still have to pay for it either way.	17:38
hyperair	lol	17:38
hyperair	ouch?	17:38
JGJones	no. the company pays not me :)	17:39
hyperair	ouch for the company then	17:39
h3sp4wn_	Sun will probably free it all in time	17:40
JGJones	well they've just paid for MS licences for MS Office 2007 - so it was an ideal time to ask them to cough up for a licence - a tiny drop compared with that.	17:41
JGJones	h3sp4wn_ i hope so	17:42
hyperair	when will flash get freed	17:43
hyperair	it's so annoying... 100% cpu when viewing flash sites	17:43
hyperair	meh	17:43
JGJones	when gnash get better.	17:43
hyperair	or swfdec	17:43
hyperair	they're both alternatives for flash aren't they	17:44
JGJones	100% CPU? it's more annoying that it can be GPU accelrated but only if Compiz is disabled....	17:44
JGJones	yeah that too.	17:44
jonpackard	im frustrated with flash sites causing firefox to crash.. hulu.com seems to crash as soon as the page starts to load on occasion.. pandora can be problematic too =(	17:44
hyperair	gpu accelerated?	17:44
hyperair	it can?	17:44
hyperair	i never got it to work	17:44
JGJones	It can	17:44
JGJones	but only if compiz is disabled	17:44
hyperair	blargh	17:44
hyperair	why?	17:44
JGJones	it won't accelerate under compiz.	17:44
hyperair	i thought gl programs work with compiz enabled?	17:45
JGJones	can't remember...I think it was explained on the flash dev blog	17:45
hyperair	meh	17:45
JGJones	http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/05/flash_uses_the_gpu.html	17:47
JGJones	Compiz and GPU-accelerated Flash on Linux do not mix. The Flash Player still works if you have Compiz as your window manager; you just won't be able to make use of GPU-accelerated features. This is a shame since Compiz is coming with the basic installation of various Linux distributions. Unfortunately, things get unstable when trying to do GPU acceleration in SWFs running under Compiz.	17:47
hyperair	meh	17:47
hyperair	it's unstable enough	17:47
hyperair	even without!	17:48
JGJones	there ya go...they can't make an unstable flash stable err...less unstable...under compiz	17:48
hyperair	...	17:49
hyperair	make up your mind dammit	17:49
jonpackard	JGJones - Im using Ubuntu 8.04 and the version of virtualbox-ose in the repo is 1.5.6 - which distro are you running the newer virtualbox in?	17:53
JGJones	jonpackard - I'm on Hardy and running virtualbox 1.6.2 with USB support (not the OSE version) which you get directly from virtualbox.org	17:55
hyperair	jonpackard: just go to sun's website and go download the deb	17:55
jonpackard	cool thanks.. I'll give that a try!	17:55
jonpackard	guest additions installed in Intrepid guest (virtualbox) -- rebooting now.. wish me luck! =)	18:22
h3sp4wn_	JGJones: They freed what they could of openoffice but if there is any licensing stuff it will take a while (java is just about freed now)	18:26
jonpackard	it worked! I have Intrepid installed in virtualbox with full mouse/video integration.. no problems so far =D	18:26
h3sp4wn_	I have it on an exposed server but doesn't really matter	18:28
lufis	I know this is probably a stupid question, but: has anyone else had trouble installing the alpha, particularly with the setup and install packages portion, and are there any solutions?	18:30
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JGJones	jonpackard - no issues whatsoever?	18:43
JGJones	(I still get that kernal panic you mentioned though although not 2/3 of the times)	18:43
jonpackard	JGJones - I had no problems after installing guest additions. I restored my snapshot from yesterday with updates but no extra packages.. updated and installing guest additions again	18:50
jonpackard	well.. I still get the kernel panics.. but that's a minor concern at this point =)	18:51
JGJones	jonpackard - guess I'll try it again	18:54
jonpackard	sweet.. i think i just got your bug JGJone =D	19:01
jonpackard	i've got a flashing black and gray screen and saw moving blocks during boot	19:01
jonpackard	it seems to be part of an update since yesterday	19:02
jonpackard	I'm going to restore to yesterday's updates and try again	19:03
G_009	selecting pulseaudio sends sound to pcsp workaround rmmod snd_pcsp as ROOT$ and add /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist snd_pcsp: success	19:46
G_009	insert dvd. error: could not read from resource	19:51
G_009	totem	19:52
G_009	also present on hardy. exact same behaviour. and this is fresh install	19:53
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unohu	Hi...the nvidia kernel module is not included in restricted-modules....is it moved to some other package or will be included later? ...sorry if its the wrong place to ask .... thanks	20:06
joaopinto	I have read on the ML that it would be provided on another package, but that is still being worked	20:16
jonpackard	im running dist-upgrade and after Setting up scrollkeeper (0.3.14-16ubuntu1) ... it is Rebuilding the database. This may take some time... it wasn't kidding! =/	20:28
jonpackard	JGJones - I ran dist-upgrade AFTER I installed virtualbox guest additions and it didn't give me the graphics glitch this time. I have a fully updated system with guest adds =)	20:32
JGJones	jonpackard - that's what I did - apt-get update'n'dist-upgrade and then installed guest additions...sigh...	20:33
JGJones	alpha and all that...	20:33
jonpackard	i wonder why it installing it before those updates worked better than installing it after.. alphas sure are fun =)	20:50
jonpackard	would you like the list of packages that I did not update until after installing guest additions?	20:51
jonpackard	I'll BBL.. here's the list if you need it =) http://pastebin.com/f4d079bcb	20:52
G_009	FF: import bookmark from .json file. restart FF session. previously restored bookmarks not present.	21:10
ASULutzy	Dumb question maybe, but is there anyway to load the nice dark theme from Intrepid into my hardy install?	21:25
user__	hello - is the isolinux program packaged for hardy (I'd like to work with the intrepid iso)? if i search on packages.ubuntu.com i cannot find anything	21:32
h3sp4wn_	user__: why wouldn't it be ?	22:19
user__	where could i find the script which creates the intrepid live cd?	22:27
h3sp4wn_	Not sure if I remember correctly but I think that part is not open	22:28
user__	h3sp4wn_: i used "Search the contents of packages" with the string "isolinux" and nothing came up	22:28
h3sp4wn_	!info isolinux	22:28
ubottu	Package isolinux does not exist in intrepid	22:28
h3sp4wn_	!info syslinux	22:28
ubottu	syslinux (source: syslinux): Bootloader for Linux/i386 using MS-DOS floppies. In component main, is optional. Version 2:3.63+dfsg-2ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 395 kB, installed size 860 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 lpia)	22:28
user__	h3sp4wn_: when i didnt know yet that i would need the syslinux package, package search on ubuntu.com was not giving me any answer. thats why i asked	22:29
user__	h3sp4wn_: "that part is not open"?	22:30
h3sp4wn_	Its fine its part of syslinux now though	22:30
h3sp4wn_	user__: Canocial won't let you have it	22:31
h3sp4wn_	I think its called suiz or something like that	22:31
user__	ok, thanks	22:31
h3sp4wn_	(I might be totally wrong on that though)	22:31
user__	so package.ub.org does not list everything	22:31
h3sp4wn_	user__: You are probably better off looking at live-package	22:31
h3sp4wn_	!info live-package	22:32
ubottu	Package live-package does not exist in intrepid	22:32
h3sp4wn_	I wonder what that was renamed	22:32
user__	h3sp4wn_: sorry, so package.ubunto.org does not list/index all packages for anon viewers?	22:33
h3sp4wn_	user__: I have no idea I don't use it	22:33
user__	h3sp4wn_: ok, thanks very much	22:34
h3sp4wn_	user__: dfsbuild perhaps that incorporates the stuff from live-package (or maybe its only in debian)	22:34
h3sp4wn_	!info live-helper	22:35
ubottu	live-helper (source: live-helper): Debian Live build scripts. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0~a47-1 (intrepid), package size 1838 kB, installed size 5456 kB	22:35
h3sp4wn_	user__: No live-helper is the one you want its really easy to use and alot less hassle than messing around with isolinux and rebuilding the cd (I have done both)	22:36
user__	nice: !info live-magic	22:48
user__	!info live-magic	22:48
ubottu	live-magic (source: live-magic): Debian Live helper programs (gui frontend). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1 (intrepid), package size 147 kB, installed size 544 kB	22:48
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user__	h3sp4wn_: live-helper really got me rolling, thanks	23:12
* assasukasse is away: Screenshot of Elive: http://elivecd.org/Main/Screenshots		23:32

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