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| === mthaddon changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: intrepid alpha-1 released, archive open | frozen: Ubuntu 8.04.1 | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/feisty/gutsy/hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | ||
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| lamont | so... if I have a random laptop with network-mangler installed, and I want to tell it to STFU and let me manually configure both the wireless interface and the wired interface is that trivial without killing various applets and daemons and such? | 03:09 |
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| RAOF | lamont: Yes. | 03:09 |
| lamont | how? | 03:09 |
| RAOF | lamont: Unless it's changed in Intrepid, any configuration of an interface will make NM ignore it. | 03:10 |
| RAOF | For example: left-click on NM's applet. Hit "Manual configuration". :) | 03:10 |
| lamont | kewl | 03:11 |
| lamont | and afk while it's still light-ish outside | 03:11 |
| lamont` | RAOF: telling NM 'Manual config' not so much love. editing /etc/network/interfaces? love | 03:49 |
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| RAOF | lamont: NM->Manual config should be brining up something that edits /etc/network/interfaces. It didn't? | 03:56 |
| lamont | it did | 03:56 |
| RAOF | It just didn't work? | 03:57 |
| lamont | and I left it there and used my other tool for editing interfaces... | 03:57 |
| lamont | since the gui is extremely cumbersome, and vi is love | 03:57 |
| lamont | and then it decided that just because I said manual config, didn't mean that I wanted manual config, and started doing it's thing. | 03:57 |
| lamont | so I finshed the vi session, and there was love | 03:57 |
| lamont | after all, my question was "how do I make it STFU", not "how do I edit the config in a nice pretty gui" | 03:58 |
| lamont | :-) | 03:58 |
| RAOF | Right. | 03:58 |
| emgent | morning | 04:01 |
| lamont | RAOF: and definitely a more elegant hammer than the random kill commands I was using the last time when it pissed me off | 04:02 |
| saivann | In case a ubuntu developer want to take a look at it, bug 189814 contains very detailed informations about a bug which seems to be clearly well identified. | 04:22 |
| ubott2 | Launchpad bug 189814 in linux "[hardy]computer and touchpad is buggy with BIOS password set" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189814 | 04:22 |
| TheMuso | Hrm when attempting to install into a kvm image from an iso, the alternate CD, it always seems to freeze at the stage where its instaling the bootloader. This is hardy alternate. | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | power! | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | electricity! | 04:57 |
| lifeless | education! | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | it's very boring without power :( | 04:59 |
| persia | Hobbsee: You just need larger solar arrays ... | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | persia: i wish. | 05:01 |
| ScottK | We had a several hour power outage a few months ago and it was kind of fun continually telling our 5 year old that no she couldn't X because there was no power. | 05:01 |
| ScottK | So I think she would agree. | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 05:01 |
| persia | I lived in a house for a while with a bank of "Navy Batteries" that didn't have the "No power" issue. Unfortunately, it did have the "not enough amperage" issue on a regular basis. | 05:02 |
| * ScottK cheers the new firewall script running without locking me out of the box. | 05:04 | |
| RAOF | THat be a winner. | 05:05 |
| ion_ | BoFH excuse #612: the new firewall script locked everyone out of the box. | 05:06 |
| Amaranth | I lost power Friday night | 05:07 |
| Amaranth | was out for 17 hours | 05:07 |
| TheMuso | Ouch. | 05:07 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 05:07 |
| Amaranth | really nasty storm | 05:07 |
| ion_ | That’s #329. | 05:07 |
| ion_ | And ouch, too. :-) | 05:07 |
| Amaranth | 90mph (144km/h) winds, 120,000 lost power, 2 people died | 05:08 |
| TheMuso | Really ouch. | 05:08 |
| RAOF | Eeep. | 05:08 |
| TheMuso | Amaranth: Where are you? | 05:08 |
| Amaranth | omaha nebraska | 05:08 |
| Amaranth | wasn't even a tornado, just wind, rain, and hail | 05:09 |
| TheMuso | That is nasty. | 05:09 |
| Amaranth | worst hit part of town is less than a mile from here, we got it pretty bad | 05:10 |
| * Amaranth 1-ups Hobbsee | 05:11 | |
| * Amaranth goes to read xkcd | 05:11 | |
| Hobbsee | ouchy | 05:15 |
| RAOF | !!! | 05:19 |
| RAOF | Evolution seems to have gone on a no-holds-barred spam hunting expedition. | 05:20 |
| RAOF | And, in the process, marked almost _everything_ as spam. | 05:20 |
| TheMuso | hehe | 05:21 |
| RAOF | So if, say, you've responded to a bug I'm subscribed to and are a little bit surprised I haven't done anything about it... | 05:22 |
| persia | We should poke you mercilessly and update the bug hourly? | 05:23 |
| RAOF | Well, until evolution stops classifying all mail as spam, I'll remain blissfully ignorant of your bug updates! | 05:25 |
| * RAOF wonders where "Sonopia" is, and why he should join someone there. | 05:27 | |
| Hobbsee | persia: do you think you'd be able to write a howto for the sound cards, and getting decent sound on intrepid? | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | forums people are advocating all sorts of crack | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | or i could be not lazy, adn do it myself, i guess. | 05:34 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: Are you referring to the pc speaker thingy, or what? I haven't noticed sound problems? | 05:35 |
| ion_ | “forums people are advocating all sorts of crack” – business as usual. :-) | 05:35 |
| persia | Hobbsee: I'll write the MOTU Meeting minutes for you, if you'll write the HOWTO for sound card selection. | 05:35 |
| StevenK | Heh, yes | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: yes | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | persia: deal. | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | persia: i knew i had something outstanding. | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | ion_: it's only safe to say that when you're in a room not full of forums people :P | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | ion_: i tested this out in sevilla. | 05:36 |
| * persia appoints Hobbsee high-user-educator-for-all-things-alsa | 05:37 | |
| ion_ | hobbsee: :-) | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | ion_: iirc, it was the planet editorial spec, and they were talking about what to do if information gets published on the forums where it shouldn't. I suggested that there was often a lot of incorrect information on there anyway that it was unlikely that the correct rumours would blend in rather well with it - or something similar to that. | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | perhaps that wasn't such a good idea :P | 05:40 |
| ion_ | Hehe | 05:41 |
| Amaranth | it scares me that the intrepid forum is the 346th they've made | 05:49 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | hey dholbach | 06:43 |
| dholbach | hi Hobbsee | 06:49 |
| jengelh | kirkland: then if you are so unhappy about pam_mount, why not report the bugs? | 06:51 |
| geser | Hi Hobbsee, dholbach | 06:53 |
| dholbach | hiya geser | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | hey geser! | 06:54 |
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| sistpoty|work | mvo: do you happen to know some details about libcap vs. libcap2? (zsh b-d on libcap2-dev nowadays, but that's in universe) | 07:58 |
| mvo | sistpoty|work: I'm somewhat disconnected from it (hasn't seen changes in a long time) but my understanding is that libcap2 used to be a cvs snapshot and provides essentially the same functionality | 08:25 |
| sistpoty|work | mvo: ah, k.. thanks... then I'll try to rebuild zsh with libcap1 instead :) | 08:25 |
| mvo | ok, good luck | 08:26 |
| fabbione | morning guys | 08:39 |
| siretart | hey fabbione! | 08:39 |
| fabbione | ogra: you around? | 08:39 |
| fabbione | hi siretart | 08:39 |
| siretart | how are you? I haven't seen you for quite some time! | 08:40 |
| fabbione | i am doing fine, you? | 08:40 |
| fabbione | yeah i don't spend a lot of time on IRC anymore | 08:40 |
| siretart | ah, right. I'm doing fine as well, now working at the university, and probably doing some research that will involve work in ubuntu/debian, we'll see ;) | 08:42 |
| asac | ogra_cmpc: ever opened a bug for the nss issue? | 09:14 |
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| Iulian | Good morning. | 09:35 |
| asac | ogra: ping ;) | 09:39 |
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| asac | soren: there? | 09:54 |
| soren | asac: Oui. | 09:54 |
| asac | soren: about NM-Xvpn :) | 09:55 |
| asac | soren: i have updated 0.7 packages in ~network-manager ppa and want to update the vpn plugins | 09:55 |
| asac | Ng: you want to test NM 0.7 on hardy? :) | 09:57 |
| tjaalton | asac: I do! | 09:57 |
| asac | Ng: the ~network-manager PPA has hardy packages | 09:57 |
| asac | they should be fine | 09:57 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive | 09:58 |
| tjaalton | oh, sorry, not hardy | 09:58 |
| asac | tjaalton: intrepid? | 09:58 |
| tjaalton | asac: yeah, dist-upgraded yesterday :) | 09:58 |
| asac | takes a few more days as it doesnt compile due to gcc pickiness | 09:58 |
| tjaalton | ah, ok | 09:58 |
| Ng | asac: yeah :) thanks | 09:58 |
| asac | tjaalton: lucky you. i am still waiting for 8.04.1 before upgrading :/ | 09:58 |
| tjaalton | asac: well I need to test the new x stuff as promised ;) | 09:59 |
| asac | Ng: only thing to remember is that you might need to sudo killall wpa_supplicant after resume | 10:00 |
| asac | otherwise it works great here | 10:00 |
| Ng | asac: ok. I'll chuck it on at lunchtime and file some bugs ;) | 10:00 |
| soren | asac: Oh, I see. Erm... | 10:00 |
| asac | Ng: hehe. yeah | 10:00 |
| soren | asac: I really don't have the time to work on them right now, I'm afraid. | 10:00 |
| asac | soren: sure. i can take them over i guess | 10:00 |
| soren | That would be lovely! | 10:01 |
| asac | soren: did you always rip them out of the NM svn? | 10:01 |
| asac | soren: or did they just recently move to a subdirectory of the svn tree? | 10:01 |
| soren | asac: Yep. I don't think there was ever a proper release of any of them. | 10:01 |
| soren | Oh, no, they've been right there all the time. | 10:02 |
| asac | soren: do you maintain them in debian too? | 10:03 |
| soren | asac: In theory, yes. | 10:03 |
| asac | soren: now mbiebl took over? | 10:03 |
| soren | asac: Well, they're in the pkg-utopia thing. | 10:04 |
| soren | asac: ..so I guess they're meant to be a bit of a group effort anyway. | 10:04 |
| asac | soren: how did they end up there? | 10:04 |
| soren | mbiebl was my sponsor from the beginning, and he suggested we put them there. | 10:04 |
| soren | In retrospect, I wish we hadn't, though. The main thing that has kept me away from working on it is that svn-buildpackage kept getting in my way. :/ | 10:05 |
| asac | soren: ok, but you are Maintainer: ? | 10:05 |
| asac | soren: if so, we can move them to the ~network-manager team in launchpad ;) | 10:06 |
| soren | Ah, yes. | 10:06 |
| asac | soren: if you still need a sponsor i can do it too | 10:06 |
| soren | asac: I'll be sure to keep that in mind. | 10:07 |
| asac | soren: hmm. so move the branch or not move? | 10:09 |
| asac | soren: i need to know what and how to do ;) | 10:10 |
| soren | Well, we can put the ubuntu packages there, no problem. | 10:11 |
| soren | I'd need to talk to mbiebl about the Debian packages. | 10:11 |
| broonie | soren: Are there any plans to look at the issues with n-m reporting connected status too early? | 10:12 |
| soren | broonie: bug number? | 10:13 |
| broonie | Don't know off-hand, let's see if I can find any in lp.... | 10:13 |
| broonie | 152794 looks like one of them. | 10:14 |
| asac | soren: I'd like to not duplicate work on those packages | 10:14 |
| asac | soren: i am still trying to convince mbieble to join efforts, but he appears to be not really interested | 10:15 |
| broonie | (the bit where it gets a connected status reported but no IP configuration yet - only seems to happen for some cards/systems) | 10:15 |
| soren | bug 152794 | 10:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 152794 in nis "nis daemon fails to attach to domain the first time it is run in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152794 | 10:18 |
| mvo_ | asac, I just tested it here on my laptop, works nice, but a reboot is required, otherwise it gets pretty unhappy | 10:20 |
| soren | asac: I totally understand. My other main problem was that I was really more interested in getting stuff into Ubuntu, so the process was: a) Get it into Ubuntu, b) rework package to get it into Debian, c) do useless merge. | 10:20 |
| asac | mvo_: how? | 10:25 |
| asac | (unhappy) | 10:25 |
| asac | soren: right. I'd suggest -> we maintain the packages in bzr and inject to debian | 10:26 |
| asac | then sync them down to ubuntu :) | 10:26 |
| asac | i think NM 0.7 is or is about to be in debian experimental. so we could upload there. | 10:27 |
| mvo_ | asac, the icon was displayed but showed that no network was attached and the terminal printed something about a dbus method that could not be resolved | 10:28 |
| soren | asac: That sounds great. | 10:28 |
| mvo_ | asac, sorry, I haven't investigated further | 10:28 |
| mvo_ | the test machine was crashing then (unreleated most likely) and I had to reboot | 10:29 |
| asac | soren: so how to proceed? i suggested to mbiebl that we rebase the branches on top of the "official" gnome bzr mirror: http://bzr-mirror.gnome.org/ | 11:12 |
| asac | soren: now the vpn plugins are somewhat not available as a top-level project. | 11:12 |
| asac | does this mean we cant do it? | 11:12 |
| asac | maybe we should just build them in the network-manager source package ;) | 11:14 |
| soren | asac: Well, IIRC the vpn plugins aren't in the network-manager release tarballs? | 11:17 |
| soren | asac: They're only there now because the package is based on an svn snapshot. | 11:17 |
| Riddell | lool: why is sdk-default-icons a native package? also why the generic name? | 11:18 |
| lool | Riddell: Debian renamed it to something more specific; I used the usptream name as used at maemo.org | 11:21 |
| soren | asac: But apart from that, it makes perfect sense to build them out of the n-m source package. | 11:21 |
| lool | Riddell: and also the name we were using in gutsy | 11:21 |
| Riddell | lool: why don't we sync it from debian? | 11:22 |
| lool | Riddell: It's not in Debian yet | 11:22 |
| Riddell | lool: well if debian renamed it, we should too | 11:22 |
| lool | Riddell: I worked on it for Ubuntu and when we discussed it in the Debian chan there was interest for it; I didn't expect to push it to Debian when I started work on it | 11:22 |
| lool | Riddell: Indeed; so please kick it out | 11:22 |
| lool | Riddell: We'll use whatever name Debian accepts | 11:23 |
| lool | And concerning the native package, it looks like I misnamed my orig tarball | 11:23 |
| lool | I had to repack upstream's to drop debian/ IIRC | 11:23 |
| siretart | Riddell: could you please remove the source package named 'ffmpeg' from intrepid? It has been superseeded by 'ffmpeg-free' | 11:31 |
| cjwatson | you can file bugs for removals, and we're not especially far behind on our bug queue ... | 11:31 |
| ogra | asac, hmm, i was sure i had ... | 11:32 |
| ogra | fabbione, pong (sorry, slept in, i had a long night) | 11:32 |
| Riddell | siretart: yeah, bug please, I'll get to it in a bit | 11:32 |
| siretart | ah, okay, will do | 11:32 |
| asac | ogra: at least you didnt give me the bug id ;) | 11:33 |
| * asac searching | 11:33 | |
| ogra | its weird, i could swear i did but cant find it myself | 11:34 |
| asac | ogra: did you search for all bugs by "reporter ogra"? | 11:34 |
| ogra | no, i searched my evo bug folder where usually all lp mail lands | 11:35 |
| ogra | (and which is ten times faqster than LP :) ) | 11:35 |
| asac | soren: the svn tags (and bzr branches) contain vpn-daemon for 0.6 | 11:36 |
| asac | soren: guess that means we can just use NM. now we need to convince debian :( | 11:36 |
| StevenK | Can I bug an archive admin to look at bug 236979 ? | 11:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 236979 in opal "[intrepid] Please sync opal 2.2.11~dfsg1-4 from Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236979 | 11:36 |
| cjwatson | StevenK: doing | 11:38 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: Thank you :-) | 11:38 |
| cjwatson | StevenK: so the Ubuntu patch just isn't needed any more for some unspecified reason? | 11:40 |
| ogra | asac, wow, i used tracker for the first time ever :) | 11:40 |
| * ogra hands asac Bug 242379 | 11:40 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 242379 in nss "constantly shows popups with certification errors on some pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242379 | 11:40 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: Well, it was a fix an FTBFS in Hardy, it doesn't fail to build. I can track it down explicity if you wish. | 11:40 |
| persia | I tracked it down previously, and will comment in the bug to indicate as much. | 11:41 |
| cjwatson | StevenK: how about this, you get to reinstate it if it fails to build on the buildds ;-) | 11:41 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: Happy to fix it if it breaks :-) | 11:42 |
| fabbione | ogra: ehhe no worries.... | 11:48 |
| fabbione | ogra: do you still have that dvb-t card around you mentioned a while ago? | 11:48 |
| asac | ogra: triaged ;) | 11:49 |
| ogra | fabbione, yes, want me to test anything ? | 11:52 |
| fabbione | ogra: yes if you can.. i am having problems with my dvb-t card on intrepid kernels and with updated drivers from dvb-t tree. | 11:53 |
| ogra | (i might need to rebild the kernel for that, the dvb-usb fix i need is only in intrepid afaik) | 11:53 |
| fabbione | I am trying to nail down if the problem is my specific driver | 11:54 |
| fabbione | or the general dvb subsystem | 11:54 |
| fabbione | i can't even scan for channels basically | 11:54 |
| ogra | did it work in hardy ? | 11:54 |
| fabbione | yeps | 11:54 |
| fabbione | but as i said, i am trying to nail the problem within the subsystem | 11:54 |
| fabbione | or the driver | 11:54 |
| fabbione | testing another driver is not an option as i only have one card | 11:54 |
| ogra | hmm, i know pitti did a lot of work on the tools there are packages in his ppa | 11:55 |
| fabbione | so if you could fire up intrepid kernel and tell me if you can scan for channles that would be awesome | 11:55 |
| fabbione | ok? | 11:55 |
| fabbione | so it might be userland that needs smashing? | 11:55 |
| fabbione | there was a thread on one of the fedora mailing lists that the userland interface was broken by mistake but it was also fixed again before rc8 AFAIK | 11:56 |
| ogra | not sure, pitti ? | 11:56 |
| fabbione | maybe the change is not in ubuntu yet... that is entirely possible | 11:56 |
| ogra | i know there was a fix in dvb-usb | 11:56 |
| ogra | without that my card oopsed | 11:57 |
| fabbione | ok.. | 11:57 |
| fabbione | well anyway if you have time to give it a shot that would be great.. otherwise no worries | 11:57 |
| fabbione | i will just wait the next kernel | 11:57 |
| ogra | gimme some time, i have no intrepid install here, need to upgrade one machine first | 11:57 |
| * ogra is stuck with hardy for subnotebook work :( | 11:58 | |
| fabbione | please don't kill your machine for me :) | 11:59 |
| fabbione | it's really not important | 11:59 |
| ogra | well, i'll test it anyway, will just take some time... stay around and i'll ping you if i know more | 12:03 |
| fabbione | ok cool thanks | 12:03 |
| * ogra still didnt find the time to install his dvb-s card :( its lying on the shelf since nearly a year | 12:04 | |
| ogra | ) | 12:04 |
| laga | bah | 12:04 |
| laga | you're too lazy. | 12:04 |
| ogra | haha | 12:04 |
| asac | StevenK: if liferea just builds with xulrunner-1.9-dev we need to check if the startscript is ok. otherwise sync and provide the debian -dev package name | 12:15 |
| asac | StevenK: hmm. we still have the ubuntu feeds. nevermind | 12:18 |
| bliZZardz | when would pitti be online? any idea? | 12:24 |
| halex | wasn't he on earlier, or am i imagining things? | 12:25 |
| bliZZardz | i see him online.. | 12:25 |
| Pici | bliZZardz: Hes been idle for 4 days, his away message says "holidays, back next Wednesday" | 12:26 |
| bliZZardz | Pici : thanks... :) | 12:26 |
| bliZZardz | i can ask the Q here at the expense of it being OT. If someone can shed somelight , then it would be great | 12:27 |
| cjwatson | it's generally better to Just Ask | 12:27 |
| bliZZardz | was wondering how DBus is being used in GNOME? when callbacks are already present as part of the GTK. How is Dbus implemented? Sockets? | 12:27 |
| cjwatson | GTK callbacks implement in-process communication, not inter-process communication | 12:28 |
| bliZZardz | ok.makes sense - corollary to that Q : do callbacks leverage multi-core? | 12:28 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: Note the lack of opal build failures. :-) | 12:29 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: Now to teach me a lesson, sparc, powerpc and ia64 will fail. :-P | 12:29 |
| bliZZardz | cjwatson : and hints on other Qs? | 12:29 |
| cjwatson | StevenK: heh, cool | 12:29 |
| Company | bliZZardz: glib callbacks are single-thread as they guarantee execution before the callback emitting function returns | 12:30 |
| bliZZardz | Company, and DBus uses IPC - is this using sockets? | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | bliZZardz: I don't know all the answers. As an example, processes that require administrative privileges mostly now call out to PolicyKit over D-BUS to gain authorisation. | 12:31 |
| Company | bliZZardz: yes | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | bliZZardz: it might be worth reading the D-BUS documentation | 12:31 |
| Company | bliZZardz: dbus is IPC using unix sockets | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus | 12:32 |
| bliZZardz | cjwatson : i even looked at teh source - it is a little confusing, would be better if i get some guide who can show me the door | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | start with the documentation, not the osurce | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | source | 12:32 |
| bliZZardz | cjwatson : so where is it being used in GTK? i couldnt find the reference of Dbus in GNOME - though am finding some references the other wat | 12:34 |
| bliZZardz | *s/wat/way/ | 12:34 |
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| cjwatson | bliZZardz: it's not used in GTK itself | 12:35 |
| cjwatson | bliZZardz: a variety of GNOME applications use it | 12:36 |
| bliZZardz | cjwatson : can you name a few? | 12:36 |
| azeem | bliZZardz: grep your Packages.gz | 12:36 |
| cjwatson | 'apt-cache rdepends libdbus-1-3' | 12:37 |
| cjwatson | you can then use 'apt-get source' to get source for individual packages there | 12:37 |
| bliZZardz | cjwatson : ah...good one. missed it completely :) | 12:37 |
| james_w | I'm merging a package which introduces init scripts. I switched the dh_installinit command to not install symlinks for runleves 1 and 6, however, I left the priority for runlevel 1 the same. | 12:43 |
| YokoZar | Do the build daemons now autoinstall recommends by default as well? | 12:44 |
| james_w | I see that there is a bug that means that really this should be set to (100-priority). I can easily do this, as the package has not hit the archive so there is no transition to worry about. However, is there a danger that acting unilaterally would break something else? (i.e. stopping earlier than dependent services) | 12:45 |
| ogra | apt does .... the buildds use apt ... | 12:45 |
| * ogra would expect so | 12:45 | |
| james_w | I don't think there are any dependent services in this case, so I believe it should be safe, but can it be assumed to be so in every case? | 12:45 |
| YokoZar | ogra: They might be passing funny switches. I'm not sure how it works when you have pbuilder using satisfy-build-depends = gdebi, for instance... | 12:46 |
| cjwatson | james_w: it's 0 and 6 that we normally disable, not 1 and 6 | 12:49 |
| james_w | cjwatson: yes, sorry, 0 and 6 | 12:50 |
| cjwatson | james_w: I don't think we can always assume it to be safe, which is one reason we haven't really worried much about changing all those to date :-) | 12:50 |
| james_w | cjwatson: thanks. | 12:52 |
| === emgent_ is now known as emgent | ||
| Keybuk | ok, my laptop is definitely doing odd suspend/resume things | 13:00 |
| Keybuk | it appears to suspend as normal | 13:00 |
| Keybuk | but when I press the power button to resume it, it just boots | 13:00 |
| ogra | Keybuk, try blacklisting the button module | 13:01 |
| Keybuk | (and usplash still prevents the X server from starting) | 13:01 |
| ogra | i had similar probs on the classmate | 13:01 |
| Keybuk | ogra: I tried that, it just stopped the power button doing anything | 13:02 |
| ogra | SUSPEND_MODULES="button" in /etc/pm/config.d/default | 13:02 |
| ogra | hmm | 13:02 |
| StevenK | asac: So, we do need to merge liferea? Should I drop the patches aside the Ubuntu RSS feeds list, and see if the dratted thing builds? | 13:10 |
| emgent | morning | 13:25 |
| soren | No, it isn't. | 13:26 |
| Hobbsee | evening soren! | 13:27 |
| soren | No, it isn't evening either. :/ | 13:28 |
| Keybuk | it's Mailman Day *and* Abel & Cole Day ... double celebration! | 13:28 |
| === ara_lunch is now known as ara | ||
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: i hope you're advocating listadmin as much as possible today, then. | 13:34 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: oh, and reping! | 13:34 |
| Keybuk | reping? | 13:35 |
| Hobbsee | re-ping, as you didn't answer the first one. | 13:35 |
| Hobbsee | is there any chance you can set an address for ubuntu-core-dev on launchpad please? | 13:35 |
| Hobbsee | it would save us all getting spammed every time someone decided that it'd be a good idea to assign a bug to them. | 13:36 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com is probably a good one. | 13:36 |
| Keybuk | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-devel-discuss | 13:38 |
| Keybuk | lol | 13:38 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: merge the accounts? | 13:39 |
| ogra | its all calcs fault ! | 13:39 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: the merge mail probably hit the mailing list | 13:39 |
| Keybuk | or maybe the moderation queue | 13:39 |
| Keybuk | who has mod access to u-d-d ? | 13:39 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: may well? | 13:40 |
| Hobbsee | i don't, i've only got it to u-d | 13:40 |
| asac | StevenK: yes, keep that + the other patch introduced by fta | 13:40 |
| cjwatson | Hobbsee: I don't think I do | 13:41 |
| Keybuk | listadmin says evand | 13:41 |
| asac | StevenK: fix_systray_behavior | 13:41 |
| * Keybuk tries to find a duckie who isn't at the QBR festival of love | 13:42 | |
| StevenK | QBR festival of love? | 13:42 |
| lifeless | hi | 13:44 |
| Keybuk | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-devel | 13:45 |
| Keybuk | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-devel-discuss | 13:45 |
| Keybuk | make those go away please ;) | 13:45 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: the answer would appear to be No. | 14:03 |
| Keybuk | I cannot change the contact address | 14:03 |
| Keybuk | \o/ LP | 14:03 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: why? | 14:04 |
| Keybuk | because LP has automatically created accounts for those addresses | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | repeatedly it strikes me that LP's auto account creation is more trouble than its worth | 14:05 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: you can't merge them? | 14:07 |
| Keybuk | nope | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | or force a rubber ducky to merge them? | 14:08 |
| Hobbsee | but why? | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | seems that LP decided they're teams, so they can't be merged | 14:08 |
| Hobbsee | teams can still be merged with other teams, surely? | 14:08 |
| wgrant | Hobbsee: At ducky request. | 14:09 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: so requests from ducks fail, i presume? | 14:10 |
| wgrant | It was deemed a restricted enough use-case that it wasn't to be exposed in the UI. | 14:10 |
| Hobbsee | !!! | 14:10 |
| Keybuk | ducks just get OOPS | 14:11 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 14:11 |
| wgrant | So you need a superduck. | 14:12 |
| wgrant | Can't a duck unassign the email address, at least? | 14:12 |
| * Hobbsee finds it odd that such a decision was made, when autocreating accounts of teams or people, yet deciding that merging a team to be a corner case. Because in almost all cases of teams created, they will want to be merged with a real team at some point - whether it exists now or later. | 14:13 | |
| Keybuk | more OOPS | 14:13 |
| Hobbsee | yay, launchpad. | 14:13 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: okay, i'll attempt to poke. i'm really not liking the fact that people can spam 50 or so people with a click of a button. | 14:14 |
| wgrant | I guess this is the same reason that MOTU Media maintains every package in universe. | 14:15 |
| wgrant | Er, all modified packages. | 14:15 |
| Hobbsee | probably | 14:16 |
| Hobbsee | oh, wait. they attempted to get that one merged, and i don't remember the problem being an oops. | 14:16 |
| Hobbsee | but i don't remember what it was... | 14:16 |
| wgrant | It wasn't supported at the time. | 14:16 |
| ScottK | Argh. Are the Perl Artistic license and 4 clause BSD (with the advertising clause) compatible? I think so, but am looking for second opinions. | 14:18 |
| Riddell | mvo_, pitti: bug 241431 SRU for feisty looks ok to accept, should I? | 14:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 241431 in update-manager "edgy to feisty upgrades fail due to use of old-releases" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/241431 | 14:21 |
| mvo_ | Riddell: I proposed it so I should probably not be the one who has the final say. it would be nice | 14:22 |
| mvo_ | Riddell: pitti is on leave today | 14:23 |
| mnabil | guys, how can i revert the last ubuntu update, i mean i need to return the state before the last update(remove the last update) | 14:26 |
| Keybuk | tests/com.netsplit.Nih.Test_impl.h:31: warning: array ‘my_interfaces’ assumed to have one element | 14:26 |
| Keybuk | gnargh | 14:26 |
| Keybuk | I hate C sometimes | 14:26 |
| * Keybuk tries to remember how to declare in the header that there's an array of pointers in the C file | 14:27 | |
| dholbach | thekorn: is there a bigger problem with the HTML connector right now? :) | 14:28 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: s.th. like "extern (int*)[20];" iirc... not to sure if I got the braces right though | 14:28 |
| Keybuk | it's the [20] bit I don't want to do | 14:29 |
| Keybuk | since the struct is just declared *foo[] = { ... } | 14:29 |
| thekorn | dholbach, oh, dont know, let me check | 14:29 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I would expect so, might depend on the exact form of mixing | 14:31 |
| Riddell | mnabil: support in #ubuntu | 14:31 |
| nxvl | good morning! | 14:31 |
| dholbach | thekorn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24205 :-/ | 14:32 |
| dholbach | (that's with pylpbugs/main | 14:32 |
| dholbach | ) | 14:32 |
| ogra | Laney, hey | 14:33 |
| Laney | ogra: Hi | 14:34 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: int (*foo)[] ? | 14:34 |
| ogra | Laney, did you check debian for the xaos update ? can we just sync it ? | 14:34 |
| Laney | ogra: It's been orphaned, there is no update | 14:35 |
| sistpoty|work | erm... my foo is the name of the variable not of the type though | 14:35 |
| Laney | ogra: I do plan on working with whoever to get my new version in Debian though | 14:35 |
| ogra | Laney, well, i was pondering to take it over in debian, since it falls into the edubuntu package list i maintain anyway | 14:35 |
| ogra | but i'm extremely busy atm so it might still take a week before i can look into that | 14:36 |
| ogra | Laney, are you upstream ? | 14:36 |
| Laney | ogra: Oh, well I'm almost ready to upload my new version to LP. Perhaps you could use that when you get time | 14:36 |
| Laney | ogra: No, just looked through the list on ubuntuwire and picked that out | 14:36 |
| ogra | can you ping upstream to take your fixes ? | 14:37 |
| Laney | Shall do | 14:37 |
| thekorn | dholbach, ok thanks, this is fixed in my intrepid.merge branch, | 14:37 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: that works only as argument of a function of course... you can't declare a variable like that (since no storage size) | 14:37 |
| * dholbach hugs thekorn | 14:37 | |
| dholbach | awesome | 14:37 |
| ogra | Laney, thanks a lot :) | 14:37 |
| * ogra hugs Laney | 14:37 | |
| Keybuk | sistpoty|work: sure you can, storage size is inferred from the initialisation ;) | 14:37 |
| * Laney hugs ogra | 14:37 | |
| Laney | ogra: Are you a DD? | 14:37 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: oh, you want to initialize it in the header? | 14:37 |
| ogra | nope, only UD ... | 14:37 |
| Laney | Bah, OK | 14:38 |
| Keybuk | no, initialise in the C, but make it extern | 14:38 |
| Laney | Was hoping you would be able to sponsor it ;) | 14:38 |
| Laney | But no matter | 14:38 |
| thekorn | dholbach, I hope to merge this two branches soon | 14:38 |
| ogra | but xaos woul be a good opportunity to go for DD :) | 14:38 |
| * thekorn hugs dholbach | 14:38 | |
| ogra | Laney, i can find someone | 14:38 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: I'm not too sure that's possible... from what should any other compilation unit know the storage size then? | 14:38 |
| Laney | mmk | 14:38 |
| dholbach | thekorn: it'd be nice to get at least into the PPA too | 14:39 |
| Laney | Just porting the patches to quilt, then will put the diff up | 14:39 |
| Keybuk | /usr/bin/ld: Warning: size of symbol `my_interfaces' changed from 8 in test_com_netsplit_Nih_Test_object-test_com.netsplit.Nih.Test_object.o to 24 in test_com_netsplit_Nih_Test_object-com.netsplit.Nih.Test_impl.o | 14:39 |
| Keybuk | oops | 14:39 |
| Keybuk | :p | 14:39 |
| thekorn | dholbach, https://edge.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/+archive has all these changes (~ppa4 or something) | 14:40 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 14:40 |
| Keybuk | sistpoty|work: trouble is I can't find any way to make it visible at al | 14:40 |
| nxvl | dholbach: would you please do one more build for me? | 14:41 |
| Keybuk | only way so far | 14:41 |
| Keybuk | is in the .h declare it as a ** | 14:41 |
| Keybuk | in the .c declare static as a *[] and then a second extern as ** taking its address | 14:42 |
| dholbach | nxvl: can you ask somebody else? I'm quite busy right now - I can do it later | 14:42 |
| nxvl | dholbach: ok, thanks anyway :D | 14:42 |
| nxvl | did someone has an amd64 machine and want to build a package and run lintian for me? | 14:42 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: you mean s.th. like that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24209/ | 14:50 |
| nxvl | sistpoty|work: i think i have it | 14:50 |
| sistpoty|work | nxvl: excellent! | 14:50 |
| nxvl | sistpoty|work: and raphink says he has test it | 14:51 |
| Keybuk | sistpoty|work: except I don't want the [2] in the header | 14:51 |
| nxvl | sistpoty|work: and now it works | 14:51 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: you can't do that. otherwise gcc cannot determine the storage size of instance_of_foo (and e.g. the sizeof would fail) | 14:52 |
| Keybuk | sistpoty|work: so how do I use that array outside of that C file? :) | 14:52 |
| Keybuk | even declaring it static foo **instance_of_foo = { | 14:52 |
| Keybuk | doesn't work | 14:52 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: oh, I forgot to declare the type foo in the header | 14:55 |
| sistpoty|work | (instead of in the c file) | 14:55 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: then you can simply use s.th. like "instance_of_foo[1]->x" | 14:56 |
| Keybuk | ? | 14:56 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24213/ | 14:57 |
| sistpoty|work | meh... pastebin doesn't like me | 14:57 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24214/ | 14:58 |
| Keybuk | sistpoty|work: you still have [2] in the header | 14:58 |
| Keybuk | which is the bit I don't want :p | 14:58 |
| sistpoty|work | that's where it gets tricky *g* | 15:01 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: I'm not entirely sure, but imo "extern struct foo **instance_of_foo;" should be the right thing | 15:02 |
| Laney | ogra: New .diff.gz uploaded if you're interested :D | 15:05 |
| ogra | i'll take a look if i find time | 15:06 |
| * ogra is swamped with building some custom images | 15:07 | |
| Laney | Well I've subscribed the sponsors queue anyway, so no need for you to specifically review it | 15:07 |
| Laney | Just though you might like to know | 15:07 |
| * Laney is out for a bit, bye all | 15:07 | |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: hah: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24220/ | 15:09 |
| sistpoty|work | (I was not aware c allows such wonky things in the first place) | 15:09 |
| cjwatson | sistpoty|work: C allows a significant amount of wonk, as long as it fits neatly into machine implementations ;-) | 15:22 |
| sistpoty|work | heh | 15:22 |
| geser | has someone an idea why the build of libgnupg-interface-perl fails? (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15667866/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.libgnupg-interface-perl_0.36-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz) | 15:29 |
| geser | I don't have an idea why it can't find gpg which is installed | 15:30 |
| Hobbsee | geser: no build-dep on gnupg? | 15:30 |
| Hobbsee | oh, hm. | 15:30 |
| * Hobbsee wonders if the gpg is actually in the chroot itself, or only gets used before the unpacking, and the unpacked bits get fed to sbuild. | 15:31 | |
| Keybuk | sistpoty|work: that doesn't work | 15:32 |
| geser | Hobbsee: dpkg-source is run inside the chroot, right? | 15:33 |
| persia | Hobbsee: In the repo sbuild, it unpacks in the chroot, without a secondary chroot. | 15:33 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 15:34 |
| Hobbsee | geser: i don't know the internals of sbuild :) | 15:34 |
| geser | I wander also about the "sh: gcc: not found" message (but I guess it's unrelated) | 15:34 |
| geser | s/wander/wonder/ | 15:34 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: hm? works in the test case... are you using -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE? (I could assume that would implicitely add a sizeof then, and hence would bail out) | 15:35 |
| Keybuk | I am | 15:35 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: hm... then I can only think of a little trick to still make it work... give me a sec | 15:36 |
| Keybuk | the only way I could come up with was declaring it static in the .c | 15:36 |
| Keybuk | declaring a ** that took the address of it | 15:36 |
| Keybuk | then making that extern | 15:36 |
| Keybuk | oh, great | 15:38 |
| Keybuk | the laptop suspended mid-update | 15:38 |
| === cr3_ is now known as cr3 | ||
| persia | On the list of things that should block suspend: add "high CPU or IO load", which often means one went for a beverage whilst waiting. | 15:39 |
| Keybuk | that's not the problem | 15:40 |
| Keybuk | the problem is that the laptop currently doesn't want to resume from suspend | 15:40 |
| ogra | i think g-p-m has a gconf key for that | 15:40 |
| ogra | to check for CPU usage before suspending | 15:40 |
| ogra | /apps/gnome-power-manager/general/check_type_cpu | 15:41 |
| ogra | silly name | 15:42 |
| Ng | what if you have a stupid screensaver going? it'll never suspend | 15:42 |
| Ng | shouldn't the update thing be emitting the suspend inhibiting signal? | 15:42 |
| ogra | thats why its disabled by default i guess :) | 15:42 |
| persia | ogra: Right. It's just whether we turn them on. If we didn't suspend for all the possible reasons, we'd not often suspend. | 15:42 |
| persia | Ng: On the device I suspend most often, I have the screensaver configured to only load on mains power. If I'm on battery, I'd rather suspend than do a screen-saver cycle (mind you, it takes ~1 sec to wake up, which helps). | 15:43 |
| ogra | persia, i dont maintain g-p-m anymore so i rarely look at it nowadays :) but that key was never enabled ... | 15:43 |
| * ogra finds the network_sleep key and wonders why we still use pm-utils scripts to shut down NM on suspend | 15:44 | |
| Ng | ogra: could be because we remove network modules too | 15:45 |
| ogra | well, then we can leave the list of modules in SUSPEND_MODULES and not maintain the extra scripts | 15:47 |
| ogra | pm-utils and g-p-m have proper functions for that, no need to duplicate them | 15:47 |
| sistpoty|work | Keybuk: yes, your solution seems the best one imho | 15:48 |
| geser | Hobbsee: please give-back pbuilder. Thanks. | 15:58 |
| Hobbsee | geser: given back | 15:58 |
| MacSlow | how can I best inject a freshly built goffice (from my PPA) in my intrepid-pbuilder environemnt? | 15:59 |
| MacSlow | can I just extend my /etc/apt/sources.list under the pbuilder-intrepid environment with my PPA? | 15:59 |
| geser | add your PPA to your pbuilder | 16:00 |
| MacSlow | geser, ah ok | 16:00 |
| sistpoty|work | cya | 16:13 |
| MacSlow | hm... the build did not automatically pick up the goffcie 0.6.3 from my PPA while trying to build gnumeric 1.8.3 | 16:15 |
| MacSlow | but I guess I found the reason | 16:15 |
| seb128 | build-depends not strict enough? | 16:16 |
| ogra | PPAs are not signed .... | 16:16 |
| ogra | you will likely run into probs with any autobuilder (i.e. pbuilder) wih that | 16:17 |
| Hobbsee | MacSlow: did you, by any chance, edit your /e/a/sources.list when logged into pbuilder, then quit that, then run pbuilder build foo.dsc? | 16:17 |
| MacSlow | Hobbsee, I know that his kill all my changes to it... as it recreates the environment from scratch each time | 16:18 |
| MacSlow | Hobbsee, but right now I'm staying logged in and do all the changes in one session | 16:19 |
| Hobbsee | MacSlow: that's correct, but i don't think that answered my question? | 16:19 |
| Hobbsee | ah right. | 16:19 |
| Hobbsee | MacSlow: i presume you ran an apt-get update after editing the sources list, inside? | 16:19 |
| MacSlow | Hobbsee, edited sources.list -> apt-get update -> apt-get install ... | 16:19 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: it'll whine, sure, but i didn't think it was a terminal error? | 16:20 |
| MacSlow | and now I've my goffice 0.6.3 from my ppa installed | 16:20 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, for me it stops then ... | 16:20 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: oh. | 16:20 |
| MacSlow | ogra I just got a warning and said "Yes" to continue with the installation | 16:20 |
| ogra | oyu have to set the pbuilder apt opts to allow unauthenticated | 16:20 |
| ogra | oh, right, if yu do that nteractive :) | 16:21 |
| Hobbsee | MacSlow: for one thing, you dont' want to install anything extra, before you run the build. | 16:21 |
| * ogra has scripts that run various pbuilder thingies ... these will hang forever | 16:21 | |
| MacSlow | Hobbsee, but apart from what I do now I don't see how I could test building my merged gnumeric | 16:22 |
| * Hobbsee is also confused at the order you've done things. | 16:22 | |
| MacSlow | it needs goffice 0.6.3 | 16:22 |
| Hobbsee | MacSlow: to build? | 16:22 |
| jengelh | kirkland: | 16:22 |
| MacSlow | goffice 0.6.3 is not yet publicly available | 16:22 |
| Hobbsee | oh, that's right, you have to do fun stuff with that. | 16:22 |
| * Hobbsee hasn't had the fun of building an unreleased kde for a while. | 16:23 | |
| * MacSlow has a different idea of fun | 16:24 | |
| MacSlow | :) | 16:24 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, you should try a mobile build :) they come from ports, -updates, -proposed and PPA to build whole systems | 16:24 |
| ogra | now thats the real fun | 16:24 |
| MacSlow | building Xorg if far more satisfying | 16:24 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: i'd probably just change the sources list, use --save-after-login, and then use the standard pbuilder build foo.dsc, at that point. | 16:25 |
| Hobbsee | for bonus points, by creating a mobile pbuilder, with the repositories set up | 16:26 |
| ogra | heh | 16:26 |
| Hobbsee | which is far simpler, in the long run, then fudging around inside pbuilder. | 16:26 |
| tedg | I haven't tried, but does a PPA include itself in the build environment? | 16:27 |
| Hobbsee | tedg: yes | 16:27 |
| tedg | Hmm, that means one should be careful when moving packages from a PPA to a distributed repository. | 16:28 |
| Hobbsee | correct. | 16:28 |
| MacSlow | I still get "dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2" | 16:32 |
| Hobbsee | MacSlow: that's akin to saying "something died here." | 16:33 |
| MacSlow | from trying to "dpkg-buildpackage -j4 -rfakeroot" gnumeric | 16:33 |
| Hobbsee | MacSlow: -v | 16:33 |
| Hobbsee | (as in, look higher0 | 16:33 |
| MacSlow | xgettext: error while opening "./POTFILES.in.temp" for reading: No such file or directory | 16:33 |
| MacSlow | ERROR: xgettext failed to generate PO template file. Please consult | 16:33 |
| MacSlow | error message above if there is any. | 16:33 |
| MacSlow | make: *** [configure-stamp-gtk] Error 1 | 16:33 |
| MacSlow | make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... | 16:33 |
| MacSlow | hm... | 16:33 |
| MacSlow | still missing something from my pbuilder-environemnt? | 16:34 |
| seb128 | MacSlow: the build likely doesn't like the -j option | 16:34 |
| seb128 | would be an upstream bug and not the first one to have the issue | 16:34 |
| seb128 | try not using -j and see how it builds | 16:34 |
| MacSlow | seb128, so gnumeric doesn't like parallel compilation? | 16:35 |
| MacSlow | just started it without -j | 16:35 |
| seb128 | that would be my bet, but just guessing I didn't look at the issue | 16:35 |
| MacSlow | compiling now | 16:35 |
| MacSlow | phew | 16:35 |
| MacSlow | /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/libgoffice-0.6.a(goffice.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC | 16:40 |
| MacSlow | /usr/lib/libgoffice-0.6.a: could not read symbols: Bad value | 16:40 |
| MacSlow | not good | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | oww, localedef is hideously complicated inside | 17:05 |
| cjwatson | I think I might be close to doing something about its memory use though | 17:05 |
| ion_ | Nice | 17:08 |
| cjwatson | it turns out that what it's doing is keeping a big table in memory of the byte representations of all the possible characters in the current character set | 17:10 |
| cjwatson | which, unfortunately, due to the locale definition file format, it pretty much has to do (well, it might be able to use an mmapped temporary file I suppose) | 17:11 |
| cjwatson | but it could represent contiguous ranges of characters with "contiguous" byte representations much more efficiently than it currently does, I think, at the cost of somewhat more painful code | 17:11 |
| bmhm | Hello. Please set Bug 244591 to urgent/critical. It makes Pidgin useless and may make People go away from ubuntu. | 17:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 244591 in pidgin "Cannot connect to ICQ ("The client version you are using is too old.")" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/244591 | 17:44 |
| bmhm | Hello, some dev around? | 17:47 |
| cjwatson | bmhm: IRC is an asynchronous medium; please be patient. (I've set the importance to Critical, but don't get overly fixated on importance please.) | 17:52 |
| bmhm | cjwatson: I know IRC, I am sorry for my inpatience. I just didn't want my message to get "lost" | 17:53 |
| * ogra sighs | 17:54 | |
| ogra | why is the whole of X depending on cpp | 17:54 |
| darkfile | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/244591 | 17:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 244591 in pidgin "Cannot connect to ICQ ("The client version you are using is too old.")" [Critical,Confirmed] | 17:56 |
| cjwatson | darkfile: scroll up | 17:56 |
| cjwatson | darkfile: oh, it was just before you arrived - anyway, bmhm already mentioned that | 17:56 |
| darkfile | cjwatson, im not in here long enough :) | 17:56 |
| darkfile | do you know if this will be fixed for 7.10, too? | 17:57 |
| darkfile | or will i have to upgrade to 8.04? | 17:57 |
| cjwatson | for a start, I'm not a Pidgin developer, but, on the face of it, a reasonable fix for this kind of thing would be eligible for updates to all stable releases | 17:57 |
| cjwatson | obviously it needs somebody to do the work first, though | 17:58 |
| darkfile | ok thanks for the info | 17:58 |
| === mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-lunch | ||
| alex-weej | can i get any ubuntu package from bzr? | 18:13 |
| Laney | cjwatson: I'll have a go at the SRU once a fix is out if that's OK? | 18:14 |
| cjwatson | sure | 18:14 |
| cjwatson | alex-weej: not yet, though we're working on that | 18:14 |
| alex-weej | cjwatson: that would be absolutely rock | 18:15 |
| alex-weej | i really wish i could do all my development in Ubuntu rather than having to build everything an the kitchen sink in JHbuild then port changes to Ubuntu packages | 18:15 |
| cjwatson | alex-weej: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/distributed-development-importer | 18:16 |
| cjwatson | we'll be doing it in stages, so it won't be fully joined up at first | 18:16 |
| alex-weej | that's cool. only concern is that, in some cases, even the development packages we have are way behind upstream | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | right, we'll get further along eventually; baby steps :-) | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | ultimately we want to be able to update to new upstreams by 'bzr merge' or similar | 18:17 |
| ogra | alex-weej, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NoMoreSourcePackages | 18:18 |
| cjwatson | the spec ogra quotes is an older version of a similar idea | 18:18 |
| ogra | outdaed but essentially still the target | 18:18 |
| alex-weej | right. awesome. really glad people are working on it | 18:18 |
| * ogra updates his links | 18:18 | |
| cjwatson | actually that's sort of a middle phase rather than the target | 18:18 |
| cjwatson | it's a possible benefit we might be able to pick up along the way | 18:19 |
| slangasek | cody-somerville: hi, why have you milestoned bug #220899? this seems like something that should be reasonable to fix in an update after the point release, no? | 18:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 220899 in xubuntu-default-settings "[Hardy] Wrong default image browser" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220899 | 18:41 |
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| Keybuk | that's weird | 19:18 |
| Keybuk | second time the computer has hung/crashed since the hardy kernel update | 19:18 |
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| lool | cjwatson: Hey, mobile-meta made it to the archive and I proceeded according to plan; http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-mobile.txt seems to be empty, could you tell me where I can find what generates it to check whether it's still working? | 20:32 |
| ogra | lool, it has the generation date at the top usually the script is called anastacia (at least is once was, not sure if LP has taken over that part as well since i last looked) i'm not sure where its stored though | 20:43 |
| ikonia | gents has anyone got a solid understanding of how gnome/hal deals with automounting file systems | 20:57 |
| ikonia | I'm trying to troubleshoot an issue for an ubuntu-user in #ubuntu, and the feedback / information he's giving me suggests that gnome/hal now mounts the disks in userspace, I'm struggling to find informtion on this so if anyone has first hand knowledge on this it would be appriciated | 20:58 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger2 | Will there be an SRU for the pidgin/icq issues? | 21:31 |
| Laney | Kopfgeldjaeger2: Yes! | 21:35 |
| laga | what about kopete? ;) | 21:36 |
| laga | ooh, there is a workaround for kopete | 21:36 |
| slangasek | cody-somerville: bug #228784 also awaits SRU verification for 8.04.1 | 22:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 228784 in xfce4-session "xfce4-session-logout : buttons not localized except "Restart" and "Cancel"" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/228784 | 22:01 |
| apachelogger | laga: shouldn't be necessary | 22:01 |
| slangasek | cody-somerville: actually, I meant bug #232364; so both of them do, really :) | 22:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 232364 in xfce4-utils "dbus-launch hangs at session start waiting on socket output in libxcb" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232364 | 22:01 |
| apachelogger | laga: kopete has an auto-update feature kicking in once the connecation failed | 22:02 |
| apachelogger | considering it works properly ;-) | 22:02 |
| slangasek | blah, an auto-update feature that hasn't been disabled in the packaging? | 22:02 |
| laga | apachelogger: yeah, i saw that. | 22:02 |
| laga | apachelogger: after i asked i here :) | 22:03 |
| slangasek | so anyone who uses kopete on Ubuntu systems is subject to updates that haven't been QAed through Ubuntu? | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | slangasek: yes | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | though | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | this update feature only effects icq | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | and actually only it's desktop file, defining the version stuff | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | slangasek: and I can say KDE also has pretty good QA ;-) | 22:04 |
| slangasek | yes, the point is that it's not been QAed in situ | 22:04 |
| slangasek | there's no guarantee that the builds have been tested to work with Kubuntu itself, as opposed to KDE generally | 22:04 |
| apachelogger | sladen: there is no build | 22:04 |
| apachelogger | slangasek: ^ | 22:05 |
| apachelogger | sladen: sorry | 22:05 |
| apachelogger | slangasek: http://kopete.kde.org/oscarversions.xml | 22:05 |
| slangasek | ah | 22:05 |
| apachelogger | once the login failed it downloads that file and if necessary adapts the versions in the desktop files | 22:06 |
| asac | tjaalton: do all common intel chipsets get EXA by default? | 22:42 |
| asac | bryce: ^^ | 22:42 |
| asac | (in hardy) | 22:42 |
| bryce | asac, correct | 22:43 |
| asac | bryce: how sure? | 22:44 |
| asac | (percentage) :) | 22:44 |
| bryce | 85% | 22:44 |
| asac | not much ;) | 22:44 |
| asac | not enough ... hmm | 22:44 |
| bryce | there may be some internal logic to fall back to XAA for some chips, I don't remember | 22:45 |
| asac | jcastro: what graphics chipset do you have? | 22:45 |
| ogra | (==) intel(0): Using EXA for acceleration | 22:45 |
| bryce | asac, what prompts the question exactly? | 22:45 |
| asac | jcastro: i remember that you saw the ffox rendering bug until you flipped to EXA on your intel | 22:45 |
| jcastro | I have an i965 | 22:45 |
| ogra | ogra@osiris:~/Devel/liveusb-creator$ lspci|grep -i vga | 22:45 |
| ogra | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) | 22:45 |
| asac | jcastro: so for you EXA was not enabled by default back in london? | 22:46 |
| jcastro | I don't remember | 22:46 |
| asac | jcastro: are you still on hardy? | 22:46 |
| jcastro | I think it was, because looking at my xorg.conf right now shows I enabled it and added that greedy thing to it | 22:47 |
| jcastro | nope, intrepid | 22:47 |
| asac | jcastro: ok. i guess that means that not all intel chips use(d) EXA :) | 22:47 |
| asac | bryce: SRU verification talk raised this question | 22:47 |
| jcastro | asac: you can of course do what you want to it during the next sprint. | 22:48 |
| jcastro | not that that helps you right this instant | 22:48 |
| asac | jcastro: no. that would be too late ;) ... can you restart X with the EXA line removed and see if you still use EXA? | 22:49 |
| jcastro | sure. | 22:49 |
| asac | (in Xorg.0.log) | 22:49 |
| bryce | you shouldn't need the greedy line either | 22:49 |
| asac | what is greedy? | 22:49 |
| bryce | if you had that in there it makes me think you'd configured those back before we switched to EXA by default | 22:49 |
| asac | bryce: when was that? | 22:49 |
| jcastro | bryce: I think so as well | 22:50 |
| bryce | it's a memory migration heuristic, that is a workaround to a bug that was preventing us from switching to EXA by default | 22:50 |
| jcastro | Option "ExaNoComposite" "true" | 22:50 |
| jcastro | do I need that? | 22:50 |
| asac | bryce: ok. so when did you flip the switch? | 22:50 |
| asac | jcastro: i guess the idea is that you shouldnt need any option ;) | 22:51 |
| jcastro | heh | 22:51 |
| bryce | jcastro, that's for preventing compiz from going, and I would imagine you'd only need that if you had a severe problem with compiz for some reason | 22:51 |
| bryce | jcastro: so in theory you shouldn't need that, unless your HW has some weird bug | 22:52 |
| asac | heh | 22:52 |
| ogra | jcastro, the idea is that you shouldnt need an xorg.conf ... | 22:52 |
| ogra | especially as US american with the right default keymapping | 22:53 |
| bryce | asac the switch was made around the end of march | 22:55 |
| jcastro | asac: ok, it's all using EXA according to the log | 22:56 |
| jcastro | ogra: I thought we weren't quite there yet for going xorg.conf-less | 22:56 |
| jcastro | though I can try that next if you guys want | 22:56 |
| asac | jcastro: ok thanks | 22:56 |
| ogra | we need it for keymap and mouse settings | 22:56 |
| jcastro | does it default to US or something? | 22:56 |
| ogra | but with en_US you shuldnt need the keymap part and with a default laptop touchpad the mouse settings shouldnt be needed either | 22:57 |
| jcastro | actually, I won't try it, I'm in mid-move and this is my only working PC at the moment | 22:57 |
| ogra | just move it to xorg.conf.bak and try ;) | 22:57 |
| ogra | ah, indeed | 22:57 |
| ogra | well, it works since gutsy | 22:58 |
| jcastro | find another victim, I'm actually on vacation and need to finish packing. :D | 22:58 |
| bryce | jcastro, it will default to US | 22:58 |
| slangasek | Ubuntu 8.10 will ship with a GPS dongle to auto-detect your keyboard preference based on latitude and longitude | 23:06 |
| ScottK | But only if you're outside where the sattelites can see you. | 23:06 |
| LaserJock | slangasek: but what if I'm an American in Europe and want the US keyboard? :-) | 23:07 |
| LaserJock | me wonders what keyboard would be set in Antarctica | 23:07 |
| ogra | slangasek, can we get these dongles as totrrents please to not make the shipment costs explode ? | 23:07 |
| slangasek | LaserJock: when in Rome, swear at your keyboard like the Romans | 23:07 |
| LaserJock | slangasek: lol | 23:08 |
| slangasek | ogra: | 23:08 |
| slangasek | ogra: I'll see what I can do | 23:08 |
| ogra | \o/ | 23:08 |
| Chipzz | slangasek: wrt Kopete QA... I have had the same reservations about firefox | 23:12 |
| slangasek | Chipzz: is firefox auto-updating itself in Ubuntu...? | 23:13 |
| Chipzz | slangasek: shouldn't ubuntu patch firefox to not have the auto-update feature at all? | 23:13 |
| slangasek | haven't we? | 23:13 |
| Chipzz | slangasek: it isn't, but there's an option for it which can be turned on | 23:13 |
| Chipzz | hrrrm I though it wasn't... maybe need to check | 23:13 |
| slangasek | oh; well, if users want to shoot themselves in the foot like that, I don't see the problem | 23:14 |
| slangasek | removing the feature entirely is just more likely to cause unnecessary friction with upstream | 23:14 |
| Chipzz | fucking up the packaging system is not something we should allow IMHO | 23:14 |
| Chipzz | heh | 23:14 |
| Chipzz | mozilla needs to get their heads unstuck from their asses | 23:15 |
| slangasek | it doesn't touch the system binaries | 23:15 |
| slangasek | unless you run it as root :) | 23:15 |
| LaserJock | well, I happen to like having Firefox updates for most things | 23:15 |
| LaserJock | but I understand the thought behind turning the auto-update off | 23:16 |
| Chipzz | slangasek: if it only works as root, there's no point in having it anyway | 23:16 |
| LaserJock | I'm more concerned with all the extentions | 23:16 |
| slangasek | Chipzz: I didn't say it only works as root, I said it will only update over the *system* binaries as root | 23:16 |
| slangasek | if you run it as a user, I expect it does something horrible like downloading and installing all of firefox into your .mozilla directory ;) | 23:16 |
| Chipzz | either way you get a broken system | 23:17 |
| Chipzz | LaserJock: yeah, but exactly how many extensions does ubuntu package? | 23:17 |
| slangasek | maybe, but users have to opt in to that brokenness | 23:17 |
| LaserJock | Chipzz: 10+ I think | 23:17 |
| Chipzz | LaserJock: out of... ? several hundreds? | 23:17 |
| ogra | Chipzz, do i hear you volunteering ? | 23:18 |
| LaserJock | umm yeah, that's the problem | 23:18 |
| ScottK | The one package I maintain in Debian/Ubuntu that ships from upstream with auto update capability is missing it entirely in Debian/Ubuntu. I think it's generally a bad idea for distros. | 23:18 |
| LaserJock | if some of your extensions come from Ubuntu but others through the "normal" means it confusing | 23:19 |
| Chipzz | ogra: I'm merely pointing out that while updating extensions via our packaging system would be ideal, it's not feasible in practice | 23:19 |
| LaserJock | I just use Firefox's method, I don't trust our extensions really | 23:19 |
| ScottK | Of course the fact that it uses checkinstall to generate it's updated packages might have influenced my thinking. | 23:19 |
| ScottK | (my package, not FF). | 23:19 |
| Chipzz | also, won't installing an extension via the packaging system install it for all users? | 23:19 |
| LaserJock | presumably | 23:20 |
| ogra | likely | 23:20 |
| Chipzz | which is not something you want anyway | 23:20 |
| Chipzz | more mozilla suckage | 23:20 |
| LaserJock | right | 23:20 |
| * Chipzz repeats above statement about mozilla, heads, and asses :P | 23:20 | |
| LaserJock | so I'd rather let Firefox handle it | 23:20 |
| Chipzz | problem is | 23:21 |
| Chipzz | in a lot of ways firefox is mainly a windows app | 23:21 |
| Chipzz | windows lacks proper package management | 23:21 |
| Chipzz | mozilla devs work around that by features such as auto-update | 23:21 |
| Chipzz | with no regard for linux | 23:21 |
| LaserJock | well, I doubt they'd do it much differently if it was more linux-centric | 23:22 |
| Chipzz | macosx has the same problem | 23:24 |
| slangasek | kees: where does atlas's debian/rules weigh in, at 1145 lines? | 23:24 |
| asac | Chipzz: whats you issue here? | 23:24 |
| Chipzz | asac: mozilla wanting to be something that's already provided by proper linux distro's (ie: proper package management) | 23:25 |
| Chipzz | and the possible havoc ensuing from users updating firefox through it | 23:26 |
| asac | Chipzz: we dont allow that | 23:26 |
| asac | only extensions are auto updated | 23:26 |
| Chipzz | asac: that's actually patched out? | 23:26 |
| asac | (if installed in profile) | 23:26 |
| asac | Chipzz: 1st. its disabled by upstream if you dont run as root (e.g. if not having write permissions) | 23:27 |
| asac | 2nd. its patched out by us (explicit upstream request) to prevent root from auto updating app | 23:27 |
| Chipzz | ah k | 23:27 |
| Chipzz | how long has that been patched out? | 23:27 |
| Chipzz | I seem to recall seeing that checkbox, but that may have been in an old version | 23:27 |
| asac | Chipzz: it was there in b5 (if you start ffox as root) | 23:28 |
| Chipzz | my laptop is still at feisty I think, so would have been ff2 | 23:28 |
| asac | Chipzz: in ff2 it was always disabled | 23:29 |
| asac | unless you flipped it on by editing system config filed in editor | 23:29 |
| Chipzz | hrrrm | 23:29 |
| Chipzz | didn't do that | 23:30 |
| Chipzz | where did I get that idea then? | 23:30 |
| asac | Chipzz: most likely you confused the app-auto-update feature with the extension-auto-update thing | 23:30 |
| * Chipzz boots laptop | 23:31 | |
| asac | Chipzz: but to be fair, i cannot speak for the initial edgy release. just since feisty. | 23:31 |
| Chipzz | asac: just checked | 23:33 |
| norsetto | asac: 0.6.3 will be out today, where should I upload the gnome-mplayer/gecko-mediaplayer packages which I would like you to review for debian? | 23:33 |
| Chipzz | asac: the checkbox exists but is grayed out | 23:33 |
| Chipzz | version 2.0.0.10+2binonly-0ubuntu1.7.10.1 | 23:34 |
| asac | Chipzz: yeah | 23:34 |
| asac | its deactivated | 23:34 |
| Chipzz | asac: with you as packager ;) | 23:34 |
| Chipzz | shouldn't we just not show that checkbox at all instead of greying it out? | 23:35 |
| asac | Chipzz: i dont know ;). i doubt that it creates lots of confusion for the normal user ;) | 23:37 |
| Chipzz | asac: btw, what's your opinion on packaging extensions? | 23:38 |
| asac | Chipzz: i addressed that quite extensively in the beginning of the last FF extension packaging session i gave during openweek | 23:40 |
| asac | Chipzz: the logs are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekhardy/ExtensionsPackaging | 23:40 |
| kees | slangasek: hehe, I'm not sure. I suppose I could generate some kind of stat. :) | 23:43 |
| Chipzz | asac: reading that page... but won't installing extensions as packages enable them for all users? | 23:44 |
| asac | Chipzz: thats one deficiency, yes. | 23:46 |
| asac | at some point we should do something about that | 23:46 |
| ogra | depends on the extension ... | 23:46 |
| ogra | parental control is surely something that makes sense to have installed systmwide | 23:46 |
| Chipzz | asac: hence why I asked about your opinion on packaging extensions ;) | 23:47 |
| Chipzz | ogra: but for example flash-blocker isn't | 23:47 |
| ogra | and i bet there are others where its sane to have them not per users | 23:47 |
| ogra | right | 23:47 |
| Chipzz | especially on large sites | 23:47 |
| asac | Chipzz: my opinion should be clear from the logs ;) | 23:47 |
| ogra | is likely only a minority | 23:47 |
| slangasek | Daviey, superm1: images aren't finalized just yet, but I wanted to check with you guys whether you'll have some spare cycles for testing 8.04.1 alternate ISOs for mythbuntu | 23:47 |
| asac | Chipzz: i wont teach people how to package if I'd think its a bad idea ;) | 23:47 |
| Chipzz | asac: I'm not saying it's a bad idea :) | 23:48 |
| asac | Chipzz: so you dont ask about opinion, but vision? | 23:48 |
| Chipzz | but like you said, having them enabled for all users is a deficiency | 23:48 |
| asac | Chipzz: yes, its a lack of flexibility | 23:49 |
| Chipzz | what I was most curious about was your opinion on the enabling-for-all issue | 23:49 |
| asac | Chipzz: its not really a blocker. users usually can disable their extensions | 23:51 |
| asac | even if installed globally | 23:51 |
| Chipzz | asac: maybe the extensions should be disabled by default then? | 23:51 |
| asac | Chipzz: why? | 23:52 |
| Chipzz | asac: prevent unwanted side-effects on large sites? | 23:52 |
| Chipzz | asac: consider the case of a university using ubuntu, with the flash-blocker extension packaged | 23:52 |
| asac | Chipzz: as i said above. the only deficiency i see for the enable-ing-for-all approach is a lack of flexibility | 23:52 |
| Chipzz | I'm pretty sure that would cause a whole lot of confusion for a whole lot of users | 23:53 |
| Chipzz | "Why doesn't flash work?" | 23:53 |
| asac | Chipzz: yeah. if the admin thinks its a good idea to install flash blocker for all, its his decision | 23:53 |
| Chipzz | asac: my pov is the "making available" pov :) | 23:53 |
| asac | Chipzz: thats not the current use-case covered | 23:54 |
| Chipzz | admin installs a huge load of extensions using the packaging system, all disabled by default | 23:54 |
| Chipzz | user wants to use an extension, just clicks on enable | 23:54 |
| asac | Chipzz: yes, that might be a valid use-case, but still a corner case | 23:55 |
| Chipzz | asac: well what it boils down to I think is there are 2 use-cases | 23:55 |
| asac | most users want to install the extension and use it | 23:55 |
| Chipzz | 1) single user install | 23:55 |
| Chipzz | 2) large site deployment | 23:55 |
| asac | 1a) home install (a few family users) | 23:55 |
| ogra | 1.5) LTSP server :) | 23:55 |
| asac | for 1* its ok | 23:55 |
| asac | for 2 it could be better, but that is something the admin has to take care of | 23:55 |
| asac | for now | 23:55 |
| Chipzz | ogra: LTSP is exactly what I had in mind with 2) | 23:56 |
| Chipzz | ;) | 23:56 |
| ogra | well, thats rarely large as in enterprise :) | 23:56 |
| * cody-somerville notes that whoever highlighted him earlier today needs to do so again: freenode netsplits pushed it out of buffer | 23:56 | |
| asac | Chipzz: what you want is an integrated installer | 23:56 |
| asac | Chipzz: the right way is to make the globally available extensions accessible for users in the firefox addons "install extension" tab | 23:57 |
| Chipzz | ogra, what are your thoughts on this? :) | 23:57 |
| asac | Chipzz: there is no real point of discussing this ;) | 23:57 |
| Chipzz | asac: what will that do? copy the extenion to ~/.mozilla ? | 23:57 |
| asac | disabling extensions you installed by default will not happen | 23:57 |
| asac | better integration of extension install wizard: yes, but needs cycles | 23:58 |
| asac | Chipzz: that is undecided and needs to be specified in a specification unless someone just does it | 23:58 |
| ogra | Chipzz, as i said before i see it valid to have extensions systemwide on a pre extension base, for some it makes sense for some it doesnt | 23:58 |
| ogra | *per | 23:58 |
| emgent | night. | 23:59 |
| ogra | things like adblock or any parental control extensions surely make sense in that context | 23:59 |
| Chipzz | that's what I was thinking | 23:59 |
| Chipzz | but take flash-block as an example | 23:59 |
| ogra | or even flashblock since the user is always able to installflash in ~ | 23:59 |
| Chipzz | how would you handle that on an LTSP install? | 23:59 |
| ogra | heh | 23:59 |
| asac | Chipzz: for now we need to fix the addons dialog to support multiple search/install methods. | 23:59 |
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