=== mthaddon changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Launchpad is going down from 00:00 UTC until 02:00 UTC for a code update | intrepid alpha-1 released, archive open | frozen: Ubuntu 8.04.1 | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/feisty/gutsy/hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu- === gaurdro is now known as themuffinman === themuffinman is now known as gaurdro === mthaddon changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: intrepid alpha-1 released, archive open | frozen: Ubuntu 8.04.1 | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/feisty/gutsy/hardy, #ubuntu+1 for intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs === stdin_ is now known as stdin [03:09] so... if I have a random laptop with network-mangler installed, and I want to tell it to STFU and let me manually configure both the wireless interface and the wired interface is that trivial without killing various applets and daemons and such? [03:09] lamont: Yes. [03:09] how? [03:10] lamont: Unless it's changed in Intrepid, any configuration of an interface will make NM ignore it. [03:10] For example: left-click on NM's applet. Hit "Manual configuration". :) [03:11] kewl [03:11] and afk while it's still light-ish outside [03:49] RAOF: telling NM 'Manual config' not so much love. editing /etc/network/interfaces? love === lamont` is now known as lamont [03:56] lamont: NM->Manual config should be brining up something that edits /etc/network/interfaces. It didn't? [03:56] it did [03:57] It just didn't work? [03:57] and I left it there and used my other tool for editing interfaces... [03:57] since the gui is extremely cumbersome, and vi is love [03:57] and then it decided that just because I said manual config, didn't mean that I wanted manual config, and started doing it's thing. [03:57] so I finshed the vi session, and there was love [03:58] after all, my question was "how do I make it STFU", not "how do I edit the config in a nice pretty gui" [03:58] :-) [03:58] Right. [04:01] morning [04:02] RAOF: and definitely a more elegant hammer than the random kill commands I was using the last time when it pissed me off [04:22] In case a ubuntu developer want to take a look at it, bug 189814 contains very detailed informations about a bug which seems to be clearly well identified. [04:22] Launchpad bug 189814 in linux "[hardy]computer and touchpad is buggy with BIOS password set" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189814 [04:23] Hrm when attempting to install into a kvm image from an iso, the alternate CD, it always seems to freeze at the stage where its instaling the bootloader. This is hardy alternate. [04:57] power! [04:57] electricity! [04:58] education! [04:59] it's very boring without power :( [05:00] Hobbsee: You just need larger solar arrays ... [05:01] persia: i wish. [05:01] We had a several hour power outage a few months ago and it was kind of fun continually telling our 5 year old that no she couldn't X because there was no power. [05:01] So I think she would agree. [05:01] haha [05:02] I lived in a house for a while with a bank of "Navy Batteries" that didn't have the "No power" issue. Unfortunately, it did have the "not enough amperage" issue on a regular basis. [05:04] * ScottK cheers the new firewall script running without locking me out of the box. [05:05] THat be a winner. [05:06] BoFH excuse #612: the new firewall script locked everyone out of the box. [05:07] I lost power Friday night [05:07] was out for 17 hours [05:07] Ouch. [05:07] yeah [05:07] really nasty storm [05:07] That’s #329. [05:07] And ouch, too. :-) [05:08] 90mph (144km/h) winds, 120,000 lost power, 2 people died [05:08] Really ouch. [05:08] Eeep. [05:08] Amaranth: Where are you? [05:08] omaha nebraska [05:09] wasn't even a tornado, just wind, rain, and hail [05:09] That is nasty. [05:10] worst hit part of town is less than a mile from here, we got it pretty bad [05:11] * Amaranth 1-ups Hobbsee [05:11] * Amaranth goes to read xkcd [05:15] ouchy [05:19] !!! [05:20] Evolution seems to have gone on a no-holds-barred spam hunting expedition. [05:20] And, in the process, marked almost _everything_ as spam. [05:21] hehe [05:22] So if, say, you've responded to a bug I'm subscribed to and are a little bit surprised I haven't done anything about it... [05:23] We should poke you mercilessly and update the bug hourly? [05:25] Well, until evolution stops classifying all mail as spam, I'll remain blissfully ignorant of your bug updates! [05:27] * RAOF wonders where "Sonopia" is, and why he should join someone there. [05:33] persia: do you think you'd be able to write a howto for the sound cards, and getting decent sound on intrepid? [05:33] forums people are advocating all sorts of crack [05:34] or i could be not lazy, adn do it myself, i guess. [05:35] Hobbsee: Are you referring to the pc speaker thingy, or what? I haven't noticed sound problems? [05:35] “forums people are advocating all sorts of crack” – business as usual. :-) [05:35] Hobbsee: I'll write the MOTU Meeting minutes for you, if you'll write the HOWTO for sound card selection. [05:35] Heh, yes [05:36] RAOF: yes [05:36] persia: deal. [05:36] persia: i knew i had something outstanding. [05:36] ion_: it's only safe to say that when you're in a room not full of forums people :P [05:36] ion_: i tested this out in sevilla. [05:37] * persia appoints Hobbsee high-user-educator-for-all-things-alsa [05:38] hobbsee: :-) [05:40] ion_: iirc, it was the planet editorial spec, and they were talking about what to do if information gets published on the forums where it shouldn't. I suggested that there was often a lot of incorrect information on there anyway that it was unlikely that the correct rumours would blend in rather well with it - or something similar to that. [05:40] perhaps that wasn't such a good idea :P [05:41] Hehe [05:49] it scares me that the intrepid forum is the 346th they've made === asac_ is now known as asac [06:33] good morning [06:43] hey dholbach [06:49] hi Hobbsee [06:51] kirkland: then if you are so unhappy about pam_mount, why not report the bugs? [06:53] Hi Hobbsee, dholbach [06:54] hiya geser [06:54] hey geser! === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === greeneggsnospam is now known as jsgotangco [07:58] mvo: do you happen to know some details about libcap vs. libcap2? (zsh b-d on libcap2-dev nowadays, but that's in universe) [08:25] sistpoty|work: I'm somewhat disconnected from it (hasn't seen changes in a long time) but my understanding is that libcap2 used to be a cvs snapshot and provides essentially the same functionality [08:25] mvo: ah, k.. thanks... then I'll try to rebuild zsh with libcap1 instead :) [08:26] ok, good luck [08:39] morning guys [08:39] hey fabbione! [08:39] ogra: you around? [08:39] hi siretart [08:40] how are you? I haven't seen you for quite some time! [08:40] i am doing fine, you? [08:40] yeah i don't spend a lot of time on IRC anymore [08:42] ah, right. I'm doing fine as well, now working at the university, and probably doing some research that will involve work in ubuntu/debian, we'll see ;) [09:14] ogra_cmpc: ever opened a bug for the nss issue? === philsf_ is now known as philsf [09:35] Good morning. [09:39] ogra: ping ;) === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [09:54] soren: there? [09:54] asac: Oui. [09:55] soren: about NM-Xvpn :) [09:55] soren: i have updated 0.7 packages in ~network-manager ppa and want to update the vpn plugins [09:57] Ng: you want to test NM 0.7 on hardy? :) [09:57] asac: I do! [09:57] Ng: the ~network-manager PPA has hardy packages [09:57] they should be fine [09:58] https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive [09:58] oh, sorry, not hardy [09:58] tjaalton: intrepid? [09:58] asac: yeah, dist-upgraded yesterday :) [09:58] takes a few more days as it doesnt compile due to gcc pickiness [09:58] ah, ok [09:58] asac: yeah :) thanks [09:58] tjaalton: lucky you. i am still waiting for 8.04.1 before upgrading :/ [09:59] asac: well I need to test the new x stuff as promised ;) [10:00] Ng: only thing to remember is that you might need to sudo killall wpa_supplicant after resume [10:00] otherwise it works great here [10:00] asac: ok. I'll chuck it on at lunchtime and file some bugs ;) [10:00] asac: Oh, I see. Erm... [10:00] Ng: hehe. yeah [10:00] asac: I really don't have the time to work on them right now, I'm afraid. [10:00] soren: sure. i can take them over i guess [10:01] That would be lovely! [10:01] soren: did you always rip them out of the NM svn? [10:01] soren: or did they just recently move to a subdirectory of the svn tree? [10:01] asac: Yep. I don't think there was ever a proper release of any of them. [10:02] Oh, no, they've been right there all the time. [10:03] soren: do you maintain them in debian too? [10:03] asac: In theory, yes. [10:03] soren: now mbiebl took over? [10:04] asac: Well, they're in the pkg-utopia thing. [10:04] asac: ..so I guess they're meant to be a bit of a group effort anyway. [10:04] soren: how did they end up there? [10:04] mbiebl was my sponsor from the beginning, and he suggested we put them there. [10:05] In retrospect, I wish we hadn't, though. The main thing that has kept me away from working on it is that svn-buildpackage kept getting in my way. :/ [10:05] soren: ok, but you are Maintainer: ? [10:06] soren: if so, we can move them to the ~network-manager team in launchpad ;) [10:06] Ah, yes. [10:06] soren: if you still need a sponsor i can do it too [10:07] asac: I'll be sure to keep that in mind. [10:09] soren: hmm. so move the branch or not move? [10:10] soren: i need to know what and how to do ;) [10:11] Well, we can put the ubuntu packages there, no problem. [10:11] I'd need to talk to mbiebl about the Debian packages. [10:12] soren: Are there any plans to look at the issues with n-m reporting connected status too early? [10:13] broonie: bug number? [10:13] Don't know off-hand, let's see if I can find any in lp.... [10:14] 152794 looks like one of them. [10:14] soren: I'd like to not duplicate work on those packages [10:15] soren: i am still trying to convince mbieble to join efforts, but he appears to be not really interested [10:15] (the bit where it gets a connected status reported but no IP configuration yet - only seems to happen for some cards/systems) [10:18] bug 152794 [10:18] Launchpad bug 152794 in nis "nis daemon fails to attach to domain the first time it is run in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152794 [10:20] asac, I just tested it here on my laptop, works nice, but a reboot is required, otherwise it gets pretty unhappy [10:20] asac: I totally understand. My other main problem was that I was really more interested in getting stuff into Ubuntu, so the process was: a) Get it into Ubuntu, b) rework package to get it into Debian, c) do useless merge. [10:25] mvo_: how? [10:25] (unhappy) [10:26] soren: right. I'd suggest -> we maintain the packages in bzr and inject to debian [10:26] then sync them down to ubuntu :) [10:27] i think NM 0.7 is or is about to be in debian experimental. so we could upload there. [10:28] asac, the icon was displayed but showed that no network was attached and the terminal printed something about a dbus method that could not be resolved [10:28] asac: That sounds great. [10:28] asac, sorry, I haven't investigated further [10:29] the test machine was crashing then (unreleated most likely) and I had to reboot [11:12] soren: so how to proceed? i suggested to mbiebl that we rebase the branches on top of the "official" gnome bzr mirror: http://bzr-mirror.gnome.org/ [11:12] soren: now the vpn plugins are somewhat not available as a top-level project. [11:12] does this mean we cant do it? [11:14] maybe we should just build them in the network-manager source package ;) [11:17] asac: Well, IIRC the vpn plugins aren't in the network-manager release tarballs? [11:17] asac: They're only there now because the package is based on an svn snapshot. [11:18] lool: why is sdk-default-icons a native package? also why the generic name? [11:21] Riddell: Debian renamed it to something more specific; I used the usptream name as used at maemo.org [11:21] asac: But apart from that, it makes perfect sense to build them out of the n-m source package. [11:21] Riddell: and also the name we were using in gutsy [11:22] lool: why don't we sync it from debian? [11:22] Riddell: It's not in Debian yet [11:22] lool: well if debian renamed it, we should too [11:22] Riddell: I worked on it for Ubuntu and when we discussed it in the Debian chan there was interest for it; I didn't expect to push it to Debian when I started work on it [11:22] Riddell: Indeed; so please kick it out [11:23] Riddell: We'll use whatever name Debian accepts [11:23] And concerning the native package, it looks like I misnamed my orig tarball [11:23] I had to repack upstream's to drop debian/ IIRC [11:31] Riddell: could you please remove the source package named 'ffmpeg' from intrepid? It has been superseeded by 'ffmpeg-free' [11:31] you can file bugs for removals, and we're not especially far behind on our bug queue ... [11:32] asac, hmm, i was sure i had ... [11:32] fabbione, pong (sorry, slept in, i had a long night) [11:32] siretart: yeah, bug please, I'll get to it in a bit [11:32] ah, okay, will do [11:33] ogra: at least you didnt give me the bug id ;) [11:33] * asac searching [11:34] its weird, i could swear i did but cant find it myself [11:34] ogra: did you search for all bugs by "reporter ogra"? [11:35] no, i searched my evo bug folder where usually all lp mail lands [11:35] (and which is ten times faqster than LP :) ) [11:36] soren: the svn tags (and bzr branches) contain vpn-daemon for 0.6 [11:36] soren: guess that means we can just use NM. now we need to convince debian :( [11:36] Can I bug an archive admin to look at bug 236979 ? [11:36] Launchpad bug 236979 in opal "[intrepid] Please sync opal 2.2.11~dfsg1-4 from Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236979 [11:38] StevenK: doing [11:38] cjwatson: Thank you :-) [11:40] StevenK: so the Ubuntu patch just isn't needed any more for some unspecified reason? [11:40] asac, wow, i used tracker for the first time ever :) [11:40] * ogra hands asac Bug 242379 [11:40] Launchpad bug 242379 in nss "constantly shows popups with certification errors on some pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242379 [11:40] cjwatson: Well, it was a fix an FTBFS in Hardy, it doesn't fail to build. I can track it down explicity if you wish. [11:41] I tracked it down previously, and will comment in the bug to indicate as much. [11:41] StevenK: how about this, you get to reinstate it if it fails to build on the buildds ;-) [11:42] cjwatson: Happy to fix it if it breaks :-) [11:48] ogra: ehhe no worries.... [11:48] ogra: do you still have that dvb-t card around you mentioned a while ago? [11:49] ogra: triaged ;) [11:52] fabbione, yes, want me to test anything ? [11:53] ogra: yes if you can.. i am having problems with my dvb-t card on intrepid kernels and with updated drivers from dvb-t tree. [11:53] (i might need to rebild the kernel for that, the dvb-usb fix i need is only in intrepid afaik) [11:54] I am trying to nail down if the problem is my specific driver [11:54] or the general dvb subsystem [11:54] i can't even scan for channels basically [11:54] did it work in hardy ? [11:54] yeps [11:54] but as i said, i am trying to nail the problem within the subsystem [11:54] or the driver [11:54] testing another driver is not an option as i only have one card [11:55] hmm, i know pitti did a lot of work on the tools there are packages in his ppa [11:55] so if you could fire up intrepid kernel and tell me if you can scan for channles that would be awesome [11:55] ok? [11:55] so it might be userland that needs smashing? [11:56] there was a thread on one of the fedora mailing lists that the userland interface was broken by mistake but it was also fixed again before rc8 AFAIK [11:56] not sure, pitti ? [11:56] maybe the change is not in ubuntu yet... that is entirely possible [11:56] i know there was a fix in dvb-usb [11:57] without that my card oopsed [11:57] ok.. [11:57] well anyway if you have time to give it a shot that would be great.. otherwise no worries [11:57] i will just wait the next kernel [11:57] gimme some time, i have no intrepid install here, need to upgrade one machine first [11:58] * ogra is stuck with hardy for subnotebook work :( [11:59] please don't kill your machine for me :) [11:59] it's really not important [12:03] well, i'll test it anyway, will just take some time... stay around and i'll ping you if i know more [12:03] ok cool thanks [12:04] * ogra still didnt find the time to install his dvb-s card :( its lying on the shelf since nearly a year [12:04] ) [12:04] bah [12:04] you're too lazy. [12:04] haha [12:15] StevenK: if liferea just builds with xulrunner-1.9-dev we need to check if the startscript is ok. otherwise sync and provide the debian -dev package name [12:18] StevenK: hmm. we still have the ubuntu feeds. nevermind [12:24] when would pitti be online? any idea? [12:25] wasn't he on earlier, or am i imagining things? [12:25] i see him online.. [12:26] bliZZardz: Hes been idle for 4 days, his away message says "holidays, back next Wednesday" [12:26] Pici : thanks... :) [12:27] i can ask the Q here at the expense of it being OT. If someone can shed somelight , then it would be great [12:27] it's generally better to Just Ask [12:27] was wondering how DBus is being used in GNOME? when callbacks are already present as part of the GTK. How is Dbus implemented? Sockets? [12:28] GTK callbacks implement in-process communication, not inter-process communication [12:28] ok.makes sense - corollary to that Q : do callbacks leverage multi-core? [12:29] cjwatson: Note the lack of opal build failures. :-) [12:29] cjwatson: Now to teach me a lesson, sparc, powerpc and ia64 will fail. :-P [12:29] cjwatson : and hints on other Qs? [12:29] StevenK: heh, cool [12:30] bliZZardz: glib callbacks are single-thread as they guarantee execution before the callback emitting function returns [12:31] Company, and DBus uses IPC - is this using sockets? [12:31] bliZZardz: I don't know all the answers. As an example, processes that require administrative privileges mostly now call out to PolicyKit over D-BUS to gain authorisation. [12:31] bliZZardz: yes [12:31] bliZZardz: it might be worth reading the D-BUS documentation [12:32] bliZZardz: dbus is IPC using unix sockets [12:32] http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus [12:32] cjwatson : i even looked at teh source - it is a little confusing, would be better if i get some guide who can show me the door [12:32] start with the documentation, not the osurce [12:32] source [12:34] cjwatson : so where is it being used in GTK? i couldnt find the reference of Dbus in GNOME - though am finding some references the other wat [12:34] *s/wat/way/ === ara is now known as ara_lunch [12:35] bliZZardz: it's not used in GTK itself [12:36] bliZZardz: a variety of GNOME applications use it [12:36] cjwatson : can you name a few? [12:36] bliZZardz: grep your Packages.gz [12:37] 'apt-cache rdepends libdbus-1-3' [12:37] you can then use 'apt-get source' to get source for individual packages there [12:37] cjwatson : ah...good one. missed it completely :) [12:43] I'm merging a package which introduces init scripts. I switched the dh_installinit command to not install symlinks for runleves 1 and 6, however, I left the priority for runlevel 1 the same. [12:44] Do the build daemons now autoinstall recommends by default as well? [12:45] I see that there is a bug that means that really this should be set to (100-priority). I can easily do this, as the package has not hit the archive so there is no transition to worry about. However, is there a danger that acting unilaterally would break something else? (i.e. stopping earlier than dependent services) [12:45] apt does .... the buildds use apt ... [12:45] * ogra would expect so [12:45] I don't think there are any dependent services in this case, so I believe it should be safe, but can it be assumed to be so in every case? [12:46] ogra: They might be passing funny switches. I'm not sure how it works when you have pbuilder using satisfy-build-depends = gdebi, for instance... [12:49] james_w: it's 0 and 6 that we normally disable, not 1 and 6 [12:50] cjwatson: yes, sorry, 0 and 6 [12:50] james_w: I don't think we can always assume it to be safe, which is one reason we haven't really worried much about changing all those to date :-) [12:52] cjwatson: thanks. === emgent_ is now known as emgent [13:00] ok, my laptop is definitely doing odd suspend/resume things [13:00] it appears to suspend as normal [13:00] but when I press the power button to resume it, it just boots [13:01] Keybuk, try blacklisting the button module [13:01] (and usplash still prevents the X server from starting) [13:01] i had similar probs on the classmate [13:02] ogra: I tried that, it just stopped the power button doing anything [13:02] SUSPEND_MODULES="button" in /etc/pm/config.d/default [13:02] hmm [13:10] asac: So, we do need to merge liferea? Should I drop the patches aside the Ubuntu RSS feeds list, and see if the dratted thing builds? [13:25] morning [13:26] No, it isn't. [13:27] evening soren! [13:28] No, it isn't evening either. :/ [13:28] it's Mailman Day *and* Abel & Cole Day ... double celebration! === ara_lunch is now known as ara [13:34] Keybuk: i hope you're advocating listadmin as much as possible today, then. [13:34] Keybuk: oh, and reping! [13:35] reping? [13:35] re-ping, as you didn't answer the first one. [13:35] is there any chance you can set an address for ubuntu-core-dev on launchpad please? [13:36] it would save us all getting spammed every time someone decided that it'd be a good idea to assign a bug to them. [13:36] ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com is probably a good one. [13:38] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-devel-discuss [13:38] lol [13:39] Keybuk: merge the accounts? [13:39] its all calcs fault ! [13:39] Hobbsee: the merge mail probably hit the mailing list [13:39] or maybe the moderation queue [13:39] who has mod access to u-d-d ? [13:40] cjwatson: may well? [13:40] i don't, i've only got it to u-d [13:40] StevenK: yes, keep that + the other patch introduced by fta [13:41] Hobbsee: I don't think I do [13:41] listadmin says evand [13:41] StevenK: fix_systray_behavior [13:42] * Keybuk tries to find a duckie who isn't at the QBR festival of love [13:42] QBR festival of love? [13:44] hi [13:45] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-devel [13:45] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-devel-discuss [13:45] make those go away please ;) [14:03] Hobbsee: the answer would appear to be No. [14:03] I cannot change the contact address [14:03] \o/ LP [14:04] Keybuk: why? [14:05] because LP has automatically created accounts for those addresses [14:05] repeatedly it strikes me that LP's auto account creation is more trouble than its worth [14:07] Keybuk: you can't merge them? [14:07] nope [14:08] or force a rubber ducky to merge them? [14:08] but why? [14:08] seems that LP decided they're teams, so they can't be merged [14:08] teams can still be merged with other teams, surely? [14:09] Hobbsee: At ducky request. [14:10] Keybuk: so requests from ducks fail, i presume? [14:10] It was deemed a restricted enough use-case that it wasn't to be exposed in the UI. [14:10] !!! [14:11] ducks just get OOPS [14:11] ah [14:12] So you need a superduck. [14:12] Can't a duck unassign the email address, at least? [14:13] * Hobbsee finds it odd that such a decision was made, when autocreating accounts of teams or people, yet deciding that merging a team to be a corner case. Because in almost all cases of teams created, they will want to be merged with a real team at some point - whether it exists now or later. [14:13] more OOPS [14:13] yay, launchpad. [14:14] Keybuk: okay, i'll attempt to poke. i'm really not liking the fact that people can spam 50 or so people with a click of a button. [14:15] I guess this is the same reason that MOTU Media maintains every package in universe. [14:15] Er, all modified packages. [14:16] probably [14:16] oh, wait. they attempted to get that one merged, and i don't remember the problem being an oops. [14:16] but i don't remember what it was... [14:16] It wasn't supported at the time. [14:18] Argh. Are the Perl Artistic license and 4 clause BSD (with the advertising clause) compatible? I think so, but am looking for second opinions. [14:21] mvo_, pitti: bug 241431 SRU for feisty looks ok to accept, should I? [14:21] Launchpad bug 241431 in update-manager "edgy to feisty upgrades fail due to use of old-releases" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/241431 [14:22] Riddell: I proposed it so I should probably not be the one who has the final say. it would be nice [14:23] Riddell: pitti is on leave today [14:26] guys, how can i revert the last ubuntu update, i mean i need to return the state before the last update(remove the last update) [14:26] tests/com.netsplit.Nih.Test_impl.h:31: warning: array ‘my_interfaces’ assumed to have one element [14:26] gnargh [14:26] I hate C sometimes [14:27] * Keybuk tries to remember how to declare in the header that there's an array of pointers in the C file [14:28] thekorn: is there a bigger problem with the HTML connector right now? :) [14:28] Keybuk: s.th. like "extern (int*)[20];" iirc... not to sure if I got the braces right though [14:29] it's the [20] bit I don't want to do [14:29] since the struct is just declared *foo[] = { ... } [14:29] dholbach, oh, dont know, let me check [14:31] ScottK: I would expect so, might depend on the exact form of mixing [14:31] mnabil: support in #ubuntu [14:31] good morning! [14:32] thekorn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24205 :-/ [14:32] (that's with pylpbugs/main [14:32] ) [14:33] Laney, hey [14:34] ogra: Hi [14:34] Keybuk: int (*foo)[] ? [14:34] Laney, did you check debian for the xaos update ? can we just sync it ? [14:35] ogra: It's been orphaned, there is no update [14:35] erm... my foo is the name of the variable not of the type though [14:35] ogra: I do plan on working with whoever to get my new version in Debian though [14:35] Laney, well, i was pondering to take it over in debian, since it falls into the edubuntu package list i maintain anyway [14:36] but i'm extremely busy atm so it might still take a week before i can look into that [14:36] Laney, are you upstream ? [14:36] ogra: Oh, well I'm almost ready to upload my new version to LP. Perhaps you could use that when you get time [14:36] ogra: No, just looked through the list on ubuntuwire and picked that out [14:37] can you ping upstream to take your fixes ? [14:37] Shall do [14:37] dholbach, ok thanks, this is fixed in my intrepid.merge branch, [14:37] Keybuk: that works only as argument of a function of course... you can't declare a variable like that (since no storage size) [14:37] * dholbach hugs thekorn [14:37] awesome [14:37] Laney, thanks a lot :) [14:37] * ogra hugs Laney [14:37] sistpoty|work: sure you can, storage size is inferred from the initialisation ;) [14:37] * Laney hugs ogra [14:37] ogra: Are you a DD? [14:37] Keybuk: oh, you want to initialize it in the header? [14:37] nope, only UD ... [14:38] Bah, OK [14:38] no, initialise in the C, but make it extern [14:38] Was hoping you would be able to sponsor it ;) [14:38] But no matter [14:38]