=== krag is now known as shazb0t [03:11] * shazb0t shrugs [03:17] hello all [06:33] good morning [08:43] Hey, anyone in here actually alive? [08:45] PseudoBob: state you question [08:46] Alrighty then. I was finally able to get javac working and now have a .class file sitting in my home user directory. The problem is, when I use java helloworld, it returns all sorts of errors. [08:47] PseudoBob: The errors are likely to help you understand the issue with the class file. That said, you likely want ##java for java help; this channel is more about packaging Java applications for Ubuntu. [08:48] PseudoBob: Short answer. Your home directory is not in class path, so you need to do 'java -cp . helloworld'. Long answer: ##java [08:48] Hm, it says I can't join that channel. [08:49] PseudoBob: You probably have to talk to nickserv and identify [08:49] PseudoBob: Your nick need to be registered, if it is not already [08:49] How does one do that? [08:50] I'm new here, if you somehow couldn't tell... [08:51] PseudoBob: type this message - /msg nickserv help register [08:52] Alright, thank you very much. [08:52] Have a nice life. [08:52] PseudoBob: Good luck with your program === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === larsh|away is now known as larsh [15:11] robilad: The week for the meeting is underway. Have you selected a date? [15:12] it seems that we don't have a date with no overlap [15:16] No, Just have to pick the best one. Did you ever get feedback from anyone other than dholbach, slytherin and I? [15:16] from marek slama, too [15:17] If you can get yourself, slytherin, and mslama at the meeting, that's likely good. dholbach's interest is likely mostly about team-building and I'm scattered enough that I'm used to reading logs. [15:18] ok [15:19] so it looks like wed 4:00 pm utc is the easiest choice [15:19] from looking at http://www.doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=fy7xd7hgrd59y7p5 [15:19] which wed? tomorrow? [15:19] yes [15:19] do we have doko? [15:19] not yet - doko? [15:19] we should have had some small time in advance to announce it publicly [15:20] ok, then thu ? [15:20] dholbach: Do you think it's worth delaying another week? I think two weeks is too much, but one could work. [15:20] 3-4 pm should work, too. [15:20] Thursday would be fine too [15:21] robilad: do you have any agenda items you'd like to discuss? [15:21] sure [15:21] can you add them to the JavaTeam/Meetings page? [15:22] looking at the fridge calendar: thursday looks better [15:22] do we have a meeting? [15:23] we're planning to kick off the ubuntu java team and discuss it with interested parties [15:23] doko: We'll start having meetings. Thursday is the first. [15:24] robilad: once we have a rough agenda, I can mail the ubuntu-news-team, ubuntu-devel and do a blog post - I guess that should be a good start [15:24] UTC? [15:24] yep [15:25] doko: would 16:00 UTC Thursday work for you? [15:25] until September sure [15:26] oh, that'd be just for this thursday, then see how we do [15:26] yep [15:26] I'd reckon that having an IRC presence in here (for those that are interested) and meetings every 2 weeks or some such would be good enough [15:27] * robilad invites dholbach, persia, doko, slytherin, man-di etc. to add items to the agenda on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting [15:27] robilad: let me know once you've added a few agenda items - the same goes for everybody else in here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting [15:27] hehe [15:27] then I can send out an announce [15:27] first ;) [15:28] the agenda looks very good [15:28] * dholbach updates robilad: will there be other Sun folks who'll join in?/ [15:28] oops [15:28] * dholbach updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Header [15:29] marek [15:29] marek slama, he was at uds in praha [15:29] right [15:30] he's a netbeans guy [15:30] I remember him :) [15:31] doko: anything to add to the agenda? [15:32] dholbach: no [15:32] alright [15:32] I'll send out the announce then [15:32] no mailing list yet, right? [15:32] dholbach: I have one thing to add. [15:32] slytherin: alright [15:35] dholbach: Done. Please see if last item is fit for the meeting. [15:36] slytherin: looks good [15:36] will send out the announce in a sec [15:36] I got to go. See you guys (and gals if any) tomorrow. [15:37] dholbach: where is the announce sent out to? [15:37] * robilad needs a to susbcribe a few more lists ;) [15:37] robilad: ubuntu-devel@ and ubuntu-news-team@ (so they fix the fridge calendar) [15:38] ok, thanks [15:39] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-July/025692.html [15:39] will blog about it too [15:40] Is this really the first meeting? I thought there were a couple in Dapper and Edgy. [15:40] does somebody have a java logo somewhere I can use in the post? [15:41] Erm. Is Duke available for arbitrary badging? [15:41] https://duke.dev.java.net/ [15:41] duke's under BSD [15:42] so go wild [15:42] a duke with a ubuntu ring hula-hooping ;) [15:42] for example ;) [15:43] ok... if there are any gimp specialists, feel free to send me such a pic :-) [15:43] http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=125 is the best I can do with the gimp :-))) [15:43] heh [15:44] dholbach: Just grab your favorite duke pose then. [15:53] check out http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=132 and let me know if it's OK or I should fix something [15:53] persia, doko, robilad: ^ [15:53] Heh. Good duke choice [15:54] thanks, dholbach, looks great! [15:54] gracias [15:54] let's hope we get lots of interested folks and more hands on deck [15:55] can we please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Lists/ReferencePackages#Java ? [15:55] I'm sure we have some packages that are good already and could serve as reference [15:55] doko: do you know any good java packages that are easily understandable we could add there? [15:56] Part of the issue there is that most of the interesting applications are large and unique, and lots of the rest are libraries. There aren't a lot of basic apps in the repos yet. [15:56] we should really have an "easy app" and "easy module" one [15:56] Hopefully OpenJDK in main lets the right flags be set that this is no longer true for intrepid. [15:57] dholbach: hmm, it shouldn't be too simple ... [15:57] doko: just something for orientation [16:00] robilad, doko: any package at all you'd recommend? [16:03] off the top of my head, I think man-di had a few examples for new packagers in debian a while ago, I hope those apply for new ubuntu packagers, too [16:03] man-di: do you remember the list you gave me? i think commons-cli was on it? [16:05] Packaging for Debian and Ubuntu ought be nigh identical: main differences are icedtea/openJDK related. [16:27] robilad: I dont remember about that but commons-cli is packaged since a long time [16:27] we had some trouble with it when we updated it from 1.0 to 1.1 [16:28] man-di: any packages you'd have in mind as 'beginner-friendly' resources for learning about doing it right? [16:29] robilad: asm3 perhaps [16:30] we have so much cludge in the packages, nothing is really beginner-friendly [16:31] and most beginners just miss the basic knowledge about stuff that make our packaging easier, debhelper, cdbs [18:47] hi, can I join the meeting on Thursday without adding my name to the list as I do not have any specific agenda for myself? [18:51] anyone here? [19:22] chandru_in: sure [19:22] it's an open IRC channel [19:23] thanks for the clarification robilad [19:23] I hope Java gains strength on top of Ubuntu [19:23] * robilad too [19:24] Anyway was waiting only for the clarification. Hope to see you guys on Thursday. Bye. :)