[03:11]  * shazb0t shrugs
[03:17] <shazb0t> hello all
[06:33] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <PseudoBob> Hey, anyone in here actually alive?
[08:45] <slytherin> PseudoBob: state you question
[08:46] <PseudoBob> Alrighty then.  I was finally able to get javac working and now have a .class file sitting in my home user directory.  The problem is, when I use java helloworld, it returns all sorts of errors.
[08:47] <persia> PseudoBob: The errors are likely to help you understand the issue with the class file.  That said, you likely want ##java for java help; this channel is more about packaging Java applications for Ubuntu.
[08:48] <slytherin> PseudoBob: Short answer. Your home directory is not in class path, so you need to do 'java -cp . helloworld'. Long answer: ##java
[08:48] <PseudoBob> Hm, it says I can't join that channel.
[08:49] <persia> PseudoBob: You probably have to talk to nickserv and identify
[08:49] <slytherin> PseudoBob: Your nick need to be registered, if it is not already
[08:49] <PseudoBob> How does one do that?
[08:50] <PseudoBob> I'm new here, if you somehow couldn't tell...
[08:51] <slytherin> PseudoBob: type this message - /msg nickserv help register
[08:52] <PseudoBob> Alright, thank you very much.
[08:52] <PseudoBob> Have a nice life.
[08:52] <persia> PseudoBob: Good luck with your program
[15:11] <persia> robilad: The week for the meeting is underway.  Have you selected a date?
[15:12] <robilad> it seems that we don't have a date with no overlap
[15:16] <persia> No, Just have to pick the best one.  Did you ever get feedback from anyone other than dholbach, slytherin and I?
[15:16] <robilad> from marek slama, too
[15:17] <persia> If you can get yourself, slytherin, and mslama at the meeting, that's likely good.  dholbach's interest is likely mostly about team-building and I'm scattered enough that I'm used to reading logs.
[15:18] <robilad> ok
[15:19] <robilad> so it looks like wed 4:00 pm utc is the easiest choice
[15:19] <robilad> from looking at http://www.doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=fy7xd7hgrd59y7p5
[15:19] <dholbach> which wed? tomorrow?
[15:19] <robilad> yes
[15:19] <dholbach> do we have doko?
[15:19] <robilad> not yet - doko?
[15:19] <dholbach> we should have had some small time in advance to announce it publicly
[15:20] <robilad> ok, then thu ?
[15:20] <persia> dholbach: Do you think it's worth delaying another week?  I think two weeks is too much, but one could work.
[15:20] <robilad> 3-4 pm should work, too.
[15:20] <dholbach> Thursday would be fine too
[15:21] <dholbach> robilad: do you have any agenda items you'd like to discuss?
[15:21] <robilad> sure
[15:21] <dholbach> can you add them to the JavaTeam/Meetings page?
[15:22] <dholbach> looking at the fridge calendar: thursday looks better
[15:22] <doko> do we have a meeting?
[15:23] <dholbach> we're planning to kick off the ubuntu java team and discuss it with interested parties
[15:23] <persia> doko: We'll start having meetings.  Thursday is the first.
[15:24] <dholbach> robilad: once we have a rough agenda, I can mail the ubuntu-news-team, ubuntu-devel and do a blog post - I guess that should be a good start
[15:24] <doko> UTC?
[15:24] <dholbach> yep
[15:25] <dholbach> doko: would 16:00 UTC Thursday work for you?
[15:25] <doko> until September sure
[15:26] <dholbach> oh, that'd be just for this thursday, then see how we do
[15:26] <robilad> yep
[15:26] <dholbach> I'd reckon that having an IRC presence in here (for those that are interested) and meetings every 2 weeks or some such would be good enough
[15:27]  * robilad invites dholbach, persia, doko, slytherin, man-di etc. to add items to the agenda on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting
[15:27] <dholbach> robilad: let me know once you've added a few agenda items - the same goes for everybody else in here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting
[15:27] <dholbach> hehe
[15:27] <dholbach> then I can send out an announce
[15:27] <robilad> first ;)
[15:28] <dholbach> the agenda looks very good
[15:28]  * dholbach updates robilad: will there be other Sun folks who'll join in?/
[15:28] <dholbach> oops
[15:28]  * dholbach updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Header
[15:29] <robilad> marek
[15:29] <robilad> marek slama, he was at uds in praha
[15:29] <dholbach> right
[15:30] <robilad> he's a netbeans guy
[15:30] <dholbach> I remember him :)
[15:31] <dholbach> doko: anything to add to the agenda?
[15:32] <doko> dholbach: no
[15:32] <dholbach> alright
[15:32] <dholbach> I'll send out the announce then
[15:32] <dholbach> no mailing list yet, right?
[15:32] <slytherin> dholbach: I have one thing to add.
[15:32] <dholbach> slytherin: alright
[15:35] <slytherin> dholbach: Done. Please see if last item is fit for the meeting.
[15:36] <dholbach> slytherin: looks good
[15:36] <dholbach> will send out the announce in a sec
[15:36] <slytherin> I got to go. See you guys (and gals if any) tomorrow.
[15:37] <robilad> dholbach: where is the announce sent out to?
[15:37]  * robilad needs a to susbcribe a few more lists ;)
[15:37] <dholbach> robilad: ubuntu-devel@ and ubuntu-news-team@ (so they fix the fridge calendar)
[15:38] <robilad> ok, thanks
[15:39] <dholbach> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-July/025692.html
[15:39] <dholbach> will blog about it too
[15:40] <persia> Is this really the first meeting?  I thought there were a couple in Dapper and Edgy.
[15:40] <dholbach> does somebody have a java logo somewhere I can use in the post?
[15:41] <persia> Erm.  Is Duke available for arbitrary badging?
[15:41] <robilad> https://duke.dev.java.net/
[15:41] <robilad> duke's under BSD
[15:42] <robilad> so go wild
[15:42] <robilad> a duke with a ubuntu ring hula-hooping ;)
[15:42] <robilad> for example ;)
[15:43] <dholbach> ok... if there are any gimp specialists, feel free to send me such a pic :-)
[15:43] <dholbach> http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=125 is the best I can do with the gimp :-)))
[15:43] <robilad> heh
[15:44] <persia> dholbach: Just grab your favorite duke pose then.
[15:53] <dholbach> check out http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=132 and let me know if it's OK or I should fix something
[15:53] <dholbach> persia, doko, robilad: ^
[15:53] <persia> Heh.  Good duke choice
[15:54] <robilad> thanks, dholbach, looks great!
[15:54] <dholbach> gracias
[15:54] <dholbach> let's hope we get lots of interested folks and more hands on deck
[15:55] <dholbach> can we please update  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Lists/ReferencePackages#Java  ?
[15:55] <dholbach> I'm sure we have some packages that are good already and could serve as reference
[15:55] <dholbach> doko: do you know any good java packages that are easily understandable we could add there?
[15:56] <persia> Part of the issue there is that most of the interesting applications are large and unique, and lots of the rest are libraries.  There aren't a lot of basic apps in the repos yet.
[15:56] <dholbach> we should really have an "easy app" and "easy module" one
[15:56] <persia> Hopefully OpenJDK in main lets the right flags be set that this is no longer true for intrepid.
[15:57] <doko> dholbach: hmm, it shouldn't be too simple ...
[15:57] <dholbach> doko: just something for orientation
[16:00] <dholbach> robilad, doko: any package at all you'd recommend?
[16:03] <robilad> off the top of my head, I think man-di had a few examples for new packagers in debian a while ago, I hope those apply for new ubuntu packagers, too
[16:03] <robilad> man-di: do you remember the list you gave me? i think commons-cli was on it?
[16:05] <persia> Packaging for Debian and Ubuntu ought be nigh identical: main differences are icedtea/openJDK related.
[16:27] <man-di> robilad: I dont remember about that but commons-cli is packaged since a long time
[16:27] <man-di> we had some trouble with it when we updated it from 1.0 to 1.1
[16:28] <robilad> man-di: any packages you'd have in mind as 'beginner-friendly' resources for learning about doing it right?
[16:29] <man-di> robilad: asm3 perhaps
[16:30] <man-di> we have so much cludge in the packages, nothing is really beginner-friendly
[16:31] <man-di> and most beginners just miss the basic knowledge about stuff that make our packaging easier, debhelper, cdbs
[18:47] <chandru_in> hi, can I join the meeting on Thursday without adding my name to the list as I do not have any specific agenda for myself?
[18:51] <chandru_in> anyone here?
[19:22] <robilad> chandru_in: sure
[19:22] <robilad> it's an open IRC channel
[19:23] <chandru_in> thanks for the clarification robilad
[19:23] <chandru_in> I hope Java gains strength on top of Ubuntu
[19:23]  * robilad too
[19:24] <chandru_in> Anyway was waiting only for the clarification.  Hope to see you guys on Thursday.  Bye.  :)