| gnomefreak | there is something really messed up everything is crashing when i open them | 00:02 |
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| * gnomefreak gonna reinstall in a bit and see if new intrepid has this issue | 00:03 | |
| [reed] | asac / fta: ping | 04:10 |
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| === BobChao_ is now known as BobChao | ||
| asac | [reed]: ? | 08:29 |
| [reed] | asac: mozilla bug 442788 | 08:29 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 442788 in Weave "WeaveCrypto doesn't work under Linux" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=442788 | 08:30 |
| asac | [reed]: err, why do so many bugs exist for the same issue | 08:32 |
| [reed] | same issue? | 08:33 |
| asac | i commented on another bug yesterday | 08:33 |
| [reed] | oh, that bug got duped | 08:33 |
| asac | [reed]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=442257#c22 | 08:34 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 442257 in Weave "Weave 1.32: WeaveCrypto doesn't work under Linux" [Major,Resolved: fixed] | 08:34 |
| asac | read the next comment too | 08:34 |
| [reed] | asac: so, what's the problem? | 08:42 |
| [reed] | ah | 08:44 |
| asac | bug 244439 | 08:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 244439 in nss "missing symlinks break binary compatibility with native upstream components" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/244439 | 08:56 |
| asac | argh. that bug is completely bogus | 09:12 |
| * asac lunch | 12:50 | |
| fta2 | asac, did you use mozclient to fetch nspr/nss lately ? | 13:01 |
| fta2 | apparently not | 13:04 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | he did just say hes gone away :) | 13:05 |
| asac | fta2: huh? | 13:42 |
| asac | fta2: hmm ... no i think i downloaded tarball from ftp | 13:42 |
| asac | (as it was release) | 13:42 |
| fta2 | yep, i guessed from your changelog | 13:42 |
| asac | fta2: let me know when you have a fix so i can up' it | 13:42 |
| asac | (i assume its broken :)) | 13:43 |
| fta2 | a fix for what ? | 13:43 |
| asac | fta2: oh. hmm thought you asked because you saw a bug | 13:43 |
| fta2 | no, i was just curious if you tested my new MOZCLIENT_DYNTAG feature | 13:44 |
| fta2 | in fact, i thought that we wanted to follow the tags from upstream, instead of taking each release of nss/nspr | 13:45 |
| asac | fta2: yeah. you are right. i think the release is the one used upstream right? | 13:47 |
| asac | my fault was to not use mozclient here I admit | 13:47 |
| asac | Kamping_Kaiser: what do you think of icecat? | 13:50 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | asac, GNU icecat? i've never used it. i have had lots of requests for it in gNewSense though | 13:52 |
| asac | Kamping_Kaiser: apparently they managed to move their features to an extension | 13:52 |
| asac | Kamping_Kaiser: e.g. they have firefox + privacy features | 13:52 |
| asac | not yet sure what this means ;) | 13:53 |
| asac | but i think the idea is to package that extension and install it by default | 13:53 |
| asac | either on top of iceweasel or the rebranded firefox | 13:54 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | asac, guess it means those changes will be able to move to mozilla users easier (well, i hope it does) | 13:54 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | asac, in theory could u-mozdev scripts be used to make icecat? (by changing branding/svn repo target etc etc) | 13:54 |
| asac | Kamping_Kaiser: well. there are multiple options | 13:55 |
| asac | 1. package the extension separately and use mozilla-devscripts to produce an icecat-base branding | 13:55 |
| asac | package | 13:55 |
| asac | s/branding/branded/ | 13:56 |
| asac | Kamping_Kaiser: in anycase. what we have to solve imo is that we now have 4 brandings :( | 13:56 |
| asac | firefox, iceweasel, icecat, <whatever you use> | 13:56 |
| asac | Kamping_Kaiser: what branding will you use? | 13:57 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | burningdog (2 for FF2, 3 for FF3) | 13:57 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | yes, its a kind of interesting name :p | 13:58 |
| asac | Kamping_Kaiser: why do you need a new name? | 13:58 |
| asac | :) | 13:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | asac, for FF? | 13:58 |
| asac | no ... why not use one of the other options ;) | 13:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | asac, because when we did gNS 1.1 there was only one other option - firefox. (debian iceweasel/gnu iceweasel had just started). | 13:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | we want to minimise the amount of packages we create from scratch (eg, a gnu icecat) to minimise our delta from ubuntu. quite simply, because more delta means more work for the 1.5-2.~ developers | 14:00 |
| asac | true | 14:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | which is why i'm /really/ interested in what the devscripts can do, becaues it helps us generate a "new browser" much easier then manually replacing files and seding stuff around | 14:01 |
| asac | Kamping_Kaiser: true too. | 14:01 |
| * Kamping_Kaiser has a break from transcribing to watch the irc scroll past | 14:31 | |
| asac | Kamping_Kaiser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24207/ | 14:41 |
| asac | wanna finish it ;) | 14:41 |
| asac | ? | 14:41 |
| asac | the idea is that all the right pkg files get created during clean :) | 14:42 |
| asac | for whatever brading guessable from changelog source package | 14:42 |
| asac | so the procedure would just be "replace orig + new changelog entry" | 14:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | still reading through sorry, i'm a bit slow tonight | 14:44 |
| asac | sure | 14:44 |
| fta2 | asac, ouch | 14:46 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | if i understand corretly, your moving all the files to a generic temp name in the debian/ dir, then making all (relevent?) references to firefox turn into something parsed out of the changelog | 14:46 |
| fta2 | asac, which branch did you use for that ? the locales part tells me it's not .head | 14:47 |
| asac | fta2: he? | 14:47 |
| asac | .head | 14:47 |
| fta2 | # currently not autoparsed from changelog, because we need to fail if | 14:48 |
| fta2 | # maintainer didn't adjust those before release. we can change that once ffox | 14:48 |
| fta2 | i changed that a few days ago | 14:48 |
| fta2 | hm | 14:48 |
| asac | ok probably not up-to-date | 14:48 |
| fta2 | not pushed ? or not pulled ? | 14:48 |
| asac | fta2: not pulled | 14:48 |
| asac | the above diff is a prototype i hacked in a few seconds to show Kamping_Kaiser how we could do it | 14:49 |
| asac | :) | 14:49 |
| fta2 | do we really want that ? | 14:49 |
| asac | fta2: in some way yes. | 14:50 |
| asac | fta2: we want to supporte derivatives as much as possible | 14:50 |
| fta2 | asac, look at my last commit, your patch overlaps my changes | 14:50 |
| asac | fta2: yes i saw that | 14:51 |
| asac | my change is just a prototype. i will not land it on .head | 14:51 |
| fta2 | i've already dropped most of the references to firefox(-3.0) | 14:51 |
| Sergeant_Pony | anyone having a problem with ff3 freezing after watching a video? | 14:51 |
| asac | fta2: sure. | 14:53 |
| asac | Sergeant_Pony: nope | 14:53 |
| asac | Sergeant_Pony: maybe libflashsupport installed? | 14:53 |
| asac | (or not ;)) | 14:54 |
| asac | Kamping_Kaiser: would you be willing to finish that approach? :) | 14:54 |
| asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24210/ | 14:54 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | asac, i'd be willing to try, i just cant commit any time for the next few days. :/ | 14:55 |
| * Kamping_Kaiser points to his book of excuses. | 14:57 | |
| Kamping_Kaiser | asac, is that patch against the -devscripts? | 14:58 |
| asac | Kamping_Kaiser: no its about the firefox branch | 14:59 |
| asac | so you dont need to touch the packaging anymore | 14:59 |
| asac | e.g. just produce a special tarball (using -devscripts) and flip changelog :) | 15:00 |
| asac | thats the idea ;) | 15:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i like the idea ;) hopefully theres still something i can hack on next weekend. *is still studying atm* | 15:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | asac, thanks for your work (and the offer of playing too) - i'm crashing out. | 15:03 |
| asac | fta2: if you have other ideas let me know | 15:07 |
| asac | fta2: we could also do branches, which we merge on every update | 15:08 |
| asac | e.g. burningdog-3.0 branch based on firefox-3.0 branch | 15:08 |
| asac | but i think that causes more maintenance issues in the long run | 15:08 |
| fta2 | i'm more about just a feature to specify a foreign branding/name, instead of listing each derivative | 15:12 |
| asac | fta2: specify? how? | 15:15 |
| fta2 | i need to think about this | 15:16 |
| asac | if it requires to patch rules, we can also ship the common brandings on our own imo. | 15:16 |
| asac | fta2: in any case we need all packaging files to be templates i guess | 15:17 |
| fta2 | i guess so too | 15:24 |
| Sergeant_Pony | asac, no libflashsupport according to package manager it's not installed | 15:44 |
| Sergeant_Pony | is it needed? | 15:46 |
| fta2 | i'm not coming back, my box at home is probably dead :( | 15:51 |
| fta2 | too hot ? | 15:52 |
| fta2 | eheh | 16:02 |
| Volans | fta2: you have some double-personality issues.... ;) | 16:04 |
| Volans | you talk with yourself :) | 16:05 |
| Volans | and speak about you in third person ... | 16:05 |
| fta2 | lol | 16:08 |
| fta2 | last summer, my pc crashed every day | 16:09 |
| Volans | where is your oc? | 16:09 |
| Volans | pc | 16:09 |
| fta2 | at home, in my office | 16:09 |
| fta2 | exposed S-W | 16:10 |
| Volans | shutdown due to hight temperature? | 16:10 |
| fta2 | but i know my CPU fan is not reliable | 16:10 |
| fta2 | sometimes, the fan stops, the cpu overheats and the motherboard shuts everything down | 16:12 |
| Volans | I know, I have an old desktop with dapper that made the same sometimes... but I power on it only few times a month | 16:13 |
| asac | fta2: get a better fan | 16:23 |
| fta2 | it's probably the motherboard | 16:25 |
| Sergeant_Pony | is libflashsupport needed for ff3 under ubuntu 8.04? | 16:38 |
| asac | Sergeant_Pony: not really | 16:43 |
| asac | Sergeant_Pony: flash is broken as it neither supports pulseaudio also plugin nor sound server directly | 16:43 |
| asac | thats why you cant play two streams at the same time in flash 9 | 16:44 |
| asac | get flash 10 + install the pulseaudio plugin for alsa | 16:44 |
| asac | should work | 16:44 |
| asac | libflashsupport would fix the two streams issue, but will constantly crash your firefox | 16:44 |
| * asac => sports bbl | 16:54 | |
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| Sergeant_Pony | ok... sounds good to me. I'll try flash 10 and pulse plugin | 18:06 |
| newz2000 | hi asac - last week I reported a problem with firefox using tons of ram. I installed a debugging package to hopefully help if it happened again. It is happening now - ff uses about 1.5G of RAM. | 18:12 |
| Volans | 1.5 GB ??? | 18:15 |
| newz2000 | it's up to 1.7G now | 18:15 |
| Volans | I have read this only a couple of days ago: http://dotnetperls.com/Content/Browser-Memory.aspx | 18:16 |
| newz2000 | oh yeah, I saw that too | 18:16 |
| Volans | also if the test is on Windows | 18:16 |
| newz2000 | (I think I know the article you mention, I can't see it now because my browser is thrashing) | 18:16 |
| Volans | asac tell he go away about 1 hour ago... I don't know when i come back | 18:17 |
| Volans | newz2000: how much ram do you have in the pc? | 18:17 |
| newz2000 | 3G | 18:17 |
| Volans | in a short you have to kill firefox I think... | 18:17 |
| newz2000 | interestingly, I did do that. Then I restarted it and it happens again. | 18:18 |
| newz2000 | Sometimes this happens. If I restart it a few times it will finally work right. | 18:18 |
| Volans | sure to have killed all his istances' | 18:18 |
| Volans | ? | 18:18 |
| newz2000 | yeah, because my mem usage dropped | 18:18 |
| Volans | maybe check with a: ps fax | grep fire | 18:18 |
| newz2000 | I don't know how to use a debugger, but supposedly I have the debugging version of firefox installed | 18:19 |
| Volans | what kind of debugger? gdb? | 18:19 |
| newz2000 | yeah | 18:19 |
| newz2000 | know any way to find out what's happening? | 18:19 |
| Volans | you have to start from console firefox with gdb | 18:19 |
| newz2000 | oh, you can't just hook into a running process then. :-/ | 18:20 |
| newz2000 | wow, 2.1G of RAM used by firefox. That's impressive. | 18:20 |
| Volans | I don't think so, let me check | 18:21 |
| newz2000 | oh, he told me last week I guess | 18:23 |
| newz2000 | he said, "gdb -pPID /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/firefox" | 18:23 |
| newz2000 | hmm. That seems to have put me at some gdb command prompt | 18:24 |
| Volans | i have found: gdb firefox 1234 | 18:25 |
| Volans | where 1234 is the PID | 18:25 |
| newz2000 | what do you do when you get to the gdb prompt? | 18:27 |
| Volans | (or use ddd that have a GUI, but with 2 GB of RAM occupied by a single process starting another gui can be a not good idea) | 18:30 |
| newz2000 | I've got plenty of ram free I think | 18:31 |
| Volans | which you use for seeing the RAM occupied by firefox? | 18:32 |
| newz2000 | htop or top | 18:32 |
| Volans | newz2000: try thisone: ps -eo %mem,rss,%cpu,cmd | grep fire | 18:41 |
| newz2000 | 73.6 2289240 63.6 /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/firefox | 18:41 |
| newz2000 | not sure what that means | 18:41 |
| Volans | the firs column is the %of mempory used, the 2nd is the kyloBytes of unswapped ram, the process use | 18:41 |
| Volans | the 3rd is the % of cpu used | 18:42 |
| Volans | 2.1 GB... no dubt! | 18:42 |
| newz2000 | I'm going to get some lunch, maybe asac will be back later | 18:45 |
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| asac | back | 19:40 |
| asac | newz2000: ? | 19:40 |
| newz2000 | hey asac | 19:40 |
| newz2000 | asac: are you interested in debugging my firefox? | 19:40 |
| newz2000 | it's using 2.2G of RAM at the moment | 19:40 |
| asac | newz2000: if its memory consumption then no :) | 19:40 |
| asac | newz2000: its not really easy to debug. one way would be to use valgrind | 19:41 |
| asac | newz2000: but most likely its an extension | 19:41 |
| asac | newz2000: how long does it take till it reaches that much ram? | 19:41 |
| newz2000 | It runs at 100% cpu (both cores) for a while, 5 - 30m if I let it and quickly gets to the 1.2G mark, then graudally up to where it is now. | 19:42 |
| newz2000 | Nomrally I kill it long before this point though. | 19:42 |
| asac | newz2000: ok, so you can reproduce quite quickly? | 19:42 |
| newz2000 | no, it doesn't happen commonly, but when it does it happens a couple times in a row | 19:43 |
| newz2000 | so I kill ff and my mem usage drops from 2.5G to 383M used. :-) | 19:47 |
| newz2000 | asac: is there a way to disable one extension at a time to diagnose the problem? (from outside firefox, since it takes several min before its usable) | 19:49 |
| asac | newz2000: hmm | 19:49 |
| asac | newz2000: you can add NS1:userDisabled="true" in the extensions.rdf file in your profile | 19:51 |
| asac | for the extension you want to diable | 19:51 |
| asac | disable | 19:51 |
| asac | but you have to stop ffox before doing that | 19:51 |
| asac | so doesnt really help you i guess | 19:51 |
| newz2000 | no, that's fine. Just what I need | 19:51 |
| newz2000 | it's so odd. If I kill firefox then the problem doesn't happen the next time around. | 19:54 |
| asac | heisenbug ;) | 19:55 |
| newz2000 | I think it may be GTDInbox causing the problem | 20:19 |
| asac | newz2000: whats that? | 20:22 |
| newz2000 | a plugin to help you use gmail as your todo list. | 20:22 |
| newz2000 | and organize lots of email | 20:22 |
| newz2000 | it worked great with ff2 but since ff3 its been struggling and I recently reenabled it. | 20:23 |
| newz2000 | with it off, ff3 uses 229M of RAM | 20:23 |
| asac | interesting ;) | 20:23 |
| asac | newz2000: keep using it to be sure ;) | 20:23 |
| newz2000 | the GTD stands for "Getting things done" and I can't get anything done when ff3 is locked up half the time. :-) | 20:24 |
| asac | Bug 237594 | 22:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 237594 in firefox-3.0 "Javadoc's frame unreadable " [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/237594 | 22:17 |
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