[00:03] <jarnos> TheSheep: End Process in System monitor did the job. Normally I can unmount the device without that.
[01:25] <Zeeded> Anyone here have experience with Dual-Screen on Xubuntu?
[01:49] <adude> can i use compiz with xubuntu?
[01:50] <Zeeded_> no clue
[01:52] <adude> does anyone have a clue?
[01:56] <TheSheep> !compiz
[01:56] <ubott2> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[02:03] <evil_tech> i have no window manager1
[02:04] <evil_tech> i installed ubuntu server and then added the xubuntu-desktop.
[02:04] <evil_tech> i get a normal xubuntu login screen then the heron wallpaper and a terminal but no window manager
[02:06] <evil_tech> apparently no one is in here
[02:06] <evil_tech> :(
[03:04] <owen1> how to enable beep sound in xfce4-terminal?
[03:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok, how do i install xubuntu on the alternate cd?
[03:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> i don't know any commands
[03:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i need a tutorial of some kind
[03:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> i need to resize my partitions
[03:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i dont' know if i should just format C with the partitioner
[03:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> start windows with the boot up disk
[03:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> or just stick in the xubuntu alternate cd and re-do the partitions
[03:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> which seem messed up
[03:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> help
[03:54] <tfnsn> i am downloading
[03:54] <tfnsn> now xubuntu via wubib
[03:54] <tfnsn> wha is the main differences of xubuntu?
[03:54] <tfnsn> what do i pay attention?
[04:04] <tale_of_tales> it doesnt have gui network browser by default
[04:08] <tfnsn> that mens
[04:08] <tfnsn> means
[04:08] <tfnsn> ?
[04:08] <tfnsn> firefox or other
[04:08] <tfnsn> or fileviewer
[04:09] <tale_of_tales> for network shares
[04:09] <tfnsn> can i install dolphin
[04:09] <tfnsn> or something like that
[04:09] <tfnsn> for network browsing
[04:09] <tfnsn> or samba
[04:09] <tfnsn> ?
[04:10] <tfnsn> samba works on it ?
[04:36] <genelyk> why if installed xubuntu in spanish ,  the about xubuntu , it's in english??
[05:51] <maloy> hello?
[05:51] <maloy> anybody home?
[08:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> help, someone just helped me install xubuntu after installing an old version of ubuntu, 5.10 to be specific, i am already on xubuntu and it's the first time i'm on it
[08:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've a few questions, first is
[08:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i move the bar whre the windows accumulate to the bottom of the screen
[08:05] <zoredache_> if your right click on the area you can choose move
[08:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> i tried that
[08:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> nothing shows up when i right click on the upper task bar
[08:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> i canmove the panel from the bototm
[08:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> but i can't seem to move the taskbar down
[08:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[08:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> i was able to move the taskbar down
[08:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> however the panel's now in the way
[08:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> what is the name of the shell emulator
[08:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> and how do i get rid of the gnome
[08:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm looking at this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[08:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> but i don't know where i should type that in
[08:28] <Nicekiwi9> hiya =D
[08:29] <Nicekiwi9> how do i setup system proxy setting on Xubuntu 8.04?
[08:30] <Nicekiwi9> and how do i browse a home network?
[08:52] <TheSheep> Nicekiwi9: you set an environment variable
[08:52] <TheSheep> Nicekiwi9: thre is no gui
[08:53] <Nicekiwi9> how do i do that?
[08:53] <TheSheep> Nicekiwi9: what do you mean by "browse home network"?
[08:53] <Nicekiwi9> well how do i broswe a network?
[08:53] <Nicekiwi9> there is a fileserver on my home network, howdo i gain access ot it?
[08:54] <TheSheep> Nicekiwi9: what protocol does it use?
[08:54] <Nicekiwi9> http
[08:54] <Nicekiwi9> or well... im not sure what u mean
[08:54] <TheSheep> if it's http, then just use firefox
[08:54] <Nicekiwi9> its a linux server.. i assume its using samba
[08:54] <TheSheep> !smb
[08:55] <TheSheep> !fusesmb
[08:55] <TheSheep> :/
[08:55] <Nicekiwi9> yes samba is installed....
[08:55] <TheSheep> Nicekiwi9: you can use smbclient from the command line, or mount it using fusesmb, there should be howtos on the forum
[08:56] <Nicekiwi9> so theres no gui for browsing the network?
[08:56] <TheSheep> no, by default there is no gui for browsing Microsoft Windows network
[08:56] <TheSheep> there is in Ubuntu
[08:57] <Nicekiwi9> its not a MS network....
[08:57] <TheSheep> it is
[08:57] <Nicekiwi9> how so? :S
[08:57] <TheSheep> to set proxy, you can use the command: export http_proxy = http://exmaple.com:port
[08:58] <TheSheep> or you can put it in /etc/environ to have it always like that
[08:59] <Nicekiwi9> what do i do to the enviroment file?
[08:59] <Nicekiwi9> just add this? export http_proxy = http://exmaple.com:port
[09:00] <Nicekiwi9> with the appropriote IP
[09:00] <TheSheep> without the export
[09:00] <TheSheep> case is important
[09:01] <Nicekiwi9> howdo i open it with root clearance?
[09:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i put a shortcut on the desktop?
[09:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm having trouble finding the number symbol
[09:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> and the at sign
[09:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> they don't even show in character map
[09:20] <Spaceghost> hi
[09:24] <Nicekiwi9> ?
[09:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i make a shortcut or add a folder to the desktop
[09:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> and how do i type the at sign and the number sign
[09:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> i can't even find them in the character map
[09:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> zoredache
[09:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> can you help me?
[09:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey: can you help me?
[09:45] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, installed, but not tried it yet :)
[09:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> well here's the deal, i can't type the at sign or the number sign or the tilde sign and i can't find them in the caharcter map
[09:46] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, was to create location on desktop right?
[09:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> that too
[09:47] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, ohh, and shift+7 etc. doesn't exist or work?
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> shift + 7 =/
[09:47] <DistroJockey> @ = shift+2 for me
[09:48] <DistroJockey> # = shift+3
[09:48] <DistroJockey> ~ = shift+`
[09:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> nope
[09:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> is there a way to change my keyboard
[09:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> i think i isnstalled it to spanish
[09:49] <DistroJockey> yeah, not exactly sure how though
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> how about to create a folder on my desktop?
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> that is actuallyon my esktop i mean i already created a folder but it doesn't show on my desktop
[09:50] <DistroJockey> I'll switch to Xfce and take a look. Not tried it yet
[09:50] <DistroJockey> brb
[09:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> dorry about that
[09:54] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, well, first, I can change language at the login screen by changing the Options
[09:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> the language is english
[09:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> but the installation keyboard default
[09:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> was spain's
[09:56] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I just created a created a Launcher on my desktop to go to my  /home/distro/Downloads folder
[09:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> how did oyu do that?
[09:57] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, right-clicked desktop and chose  Create Launcher  , called it Downloads  and entered  thunar /home/distro/Downloads   as the command
[09:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> i can't see the create launcher option
[09:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> you're also on xfce?
[09:59] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, right-click on your background wallpaper ?
[10:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[10:00] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, aye, I just installed xubuntu-desktop and logged into Xfce for the first time
[10:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> are you scottish?
[10:00] <DistroJockey> nope :)
[10:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> irish?
[10:00] <DistroJockey> nope :)
[10:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> cant see the option...where should it be
[10:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> the launcher
[10:01] <DistroJockey> maybe some ancestry but no, I'm Australian :)
[10:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> cool
[10:01] <DistroJockey> when I right click, it is the very top menu entry
[10:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> mine says run program
[10:02] <DistroJockey> well, that's not the default as far as I can see
[10:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> underneath it says file manager
[10:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> how come yours is different if we're on the same distro?
[10:04] <DistroJockey> I get:  Create Launcher... / Create URL Link... / Create Folder... / Create from Template  and  Desktop Settings...
[10:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i do that again? like do i have to go to the terminal?
[10:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> nd type something
[10:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> or
[10:04] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, can you post a pick of where you are right clicking?
[10:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> run program?
[10:04] <DistroJockey> pic^
[10:05] <DistroJockey> no, just right-click on your desktop wallpaper
[10:05] <DistroJockey> or desktop rather
[10:05] <DistroJockey> somewhere blank that has no icons or windows covering it
[10:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> and how do i get a pic
[10:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> and post it?
[10:06] <DistroJockey> no idea sorry, heh
[10:06] <DistroJockey> Print Scrn works in Gnome but not in Xfce it seems
[10:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey: what do you usually use?
[10:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> kde or gnome?
[10:09] <DistroJockey> gnome
[10:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> why do you use gnome over kde'
[10:10] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, cleaner, simpler (not that I need it simple) and kde 4 sux so far
[10:11] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, kde 3.5.9 is good and very configurable but, can be overkill
[10:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> what's wrong with kde 4?
[10:11] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, it ain't ready by a long way
[10:13] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, and if you are looking for something lite gnome is a better option IMHO
[10:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> would you use kde in a 2000 laptop?
[10:13] <DistroJockey> see above :)
[10:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> so thats a no
[10:14] <DistroJockey> xfce looks pretty good, but I am not used to it, only been using it for 10 mins :)
[10:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok so here's hte deal
[10:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> wheni go to file manager
[10:14] <DistroJockey> It will run, but probably slowly
[10:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> and click on desktop
[10:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> there's a fodler my stuff
[10:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> but how come there's not an icon for it
[10:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> on the desktop
[10:15] <DistroJockey> when I said right-click desktop I don't mean in a file manager
[10:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> i know, but the launcher option doesn't show up...like let me list what shows up when i right click on the desktop wallpaper
[10:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> run program, terminal, file manager
[10:16] <DistroJockey> hmm
[10:17] <DistroJockey> I just went into Thunar and made a new Folder in /home/distro/Desktop and that shows on the desktop fine
[10:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> can you help me get rid of xfce
[10:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> and install kde instead?
[10:20] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, the only thing I can suggest is to go into  Applications - Settings - Settings Manager and then go to Desktop and change the Behaviour
[10:21] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, sure, you can type in a terminal:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop   (for KDE)  or   ubuntu-desktop   (for Gnome)
[10:23] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I had a standard Ubuntu (Gnome) install and did a  sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop   and here I am (after a logout and a change of Session :) )
[10:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> there installing kubuntu
[10:23] <DistroJockey> :)
[10:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> now i need your help
[10:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> to get rid of xubuntu
[10:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> and
[10:23] <DistroJockey> may need to ask question about that in #kubuntu ;)
[10:24] <DistroJockey> why remove it?
[10:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> because i'm not going to use
[10:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> it
[10:24] <lesshaste> I seem to have lost of all sound.. I don't get any errors just no sound
[10:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> the only reaosn why i was going to use it was because my girlfriends laptop
[10:24] <lesshaste> is there a main system volume setting I can check?.
[10:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> i was going to put xfce on hers as it's from around 2000 and i didnt wnat it to run too slow
[10:24] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, removing may break things, not sure though
[10:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> but its currently on xp so its better than current anyway
[10:25] <DistroJockey> lesshaste, maybe in a terminal:  alsamixer
[10:25] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, if it's running XP, Ubuntu or Kubuntu will be fine
[10:26] <lesshaste> DistroJockey, I can't see anything wrong there
[10:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> well i hear that, if it's an old laptop apparently xp is not good for it
[10:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> and she's already had trouble with it
[10:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> so might as well
[10:26] <DistroJockey> lesshaste, any  mm  's in the appropriate channels?
[10:27] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, KDE is closer to Windows in initial config, but Gnome is simpler and IMHO better
[10:27] <gynterk> hmm
[10:28] <microwaver> Hello, i'm having trouble using different sections. I've installed a Ubuntu, but on top of that I've installed the xubuntu-desktop environment. But when I want to use the xcfe sessions or xscript sessions I just get a plain black with an x as a cursos, nothing is happening,
[10:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey: someone just linked me to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[10:29] <DistroJockey> microwaver, I just installed  xubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu install and it works fine so far
[10:30] <microwaver> DistroJockey, i've been using it the whole week (works better than the gnome looking at performance) and now it just doesn't work anymore.
[10:30] <lesshaste> DistroJockey, what is mm?
[10:30] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, that doesn't suit you if you started with Xubuntu
[10:30] <DistroJockey> lesshaste, muted
[10:30] <microwaver> DistroJockey, i've been rm'ing the .cache/sessions/ items, probably that caused the problems.
[10:30] <lesshaste> DistroJockey, not that i can see...
[10:30] <lesshaste> I am going to try something drastic
[10:30] <lesshaste> rebooting into windows :)
[10:31] <DistroJockey> lesshaste, Nooooo! ;) ok, if you must ;)
[10:31] <DistroJockey> microwaver, not familiar with that location and it's affects sorry
[10:32] <microwaver> any other reasons why my xubuntu environment won't be working,
[10:32] <DistroJockey> microwaver, been using Xfce for 20 mins and most of that time has been here in Xchat :)
[10:32] <microwaver> DistroJockey, ok then
[10:34] <DistroJockey> microwaver, ~/.cache/sessions  seems to be only for Thunar for me so far
[10:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey: i just asked how to get rid of xubuntu and all its packages, i will do that as soon as kubuntu's downloaded
[10:35] <microwaver> DistroJockey, there were 4 sessions in it. Thunar, 2 xcfe sessions and another thingy
[10:35] <microwaver> DistroJockey, I deleted them all :P
[10:35] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, k, good luck
[10:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> however
[10:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> i still need to make a partition
[10:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> to free up some space
[10:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> to reinstall windows
[10:36] <DistroJockey> microwaver, has to be a wider issue
[10:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> xp
[10:36] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, yeah, that partedmagic cd should do the job
[10:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> now to burn it
[10:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> what program do i use
[10:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> since you're also on xfce
[10:38] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, or if you can afford to lose Xubuntu, do a clean install of XP to the drive using only the space you need and install Kubuntu/Ubuntu to the remaining free/unpartitioned space
[10:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> no way
[10:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> i had to install ubuntu from an old old old cd
[10:38] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, in Applications - Multimedia  I have Brasero
[10:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> then withsomeone elsee's help
[10:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> i have graveman
[10:39] <DistroJockey> that should do the job
[10:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> but i don't see how to burn an image with it
[10:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i think the partitioner should be an image right
[10:39] <DistroJockey> yep, need to burn iso's as an image
[10:40] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker,  sudo apt-get install brasero
[10:40] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, should work fine
[10:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> it's still installing kubuntu though
[10:41] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, unless it askes you to get heaps of Gnome stuff
[10:41] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, you should get K3B with Kubuntu, if you don't, install it
[10:42] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, sudo apt-get install k3b     when kubuntu-desktop is done
[10:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> hmm
[10:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> i got a dos like screen
[10:42] <DistroJockey> any errors?
[10:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24173/
[10:44] <DistroJockey> pick either Xfce or KDE as the default I guess
[10:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24174/
[10:45] <DistroJockey> kdm = KDE  gdm = Gnome
[10:45] <DistroJockey> go kdm
[10:45] <DistroJockey> not sure why gdm is listed if you started with xubuntu though
[10:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> kdm
[10:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> well the reason's this
[10:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> i couldn't install xubuntu nor kubuntu
[10:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> both from the live and alternate cds
[10:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> that i had burned
[10:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> because htey were giving me errors
[10:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i tried an oldold ubuntu cd
[10:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> and from there upgraded
[10:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> and then got xubuntu
[10:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> and got rid of gnome
[10:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> which was still the login screen
[10:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> i did this with someone's help
[10:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> intelikey on one of these chatrooms
[10:47] <DistroJockey> I very much dislike upgrades
[10:47] <DistroJockey> things often break
[10:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> welli had no other option
[10:48] <DistroJockey> aye
[10:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> all of my cdrs weren't working
[10:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> even the one i got from a torrent
[10:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> which is suposed to be safe from corruption
[10:48] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, burn them at the slowest speed possible after checking the md5sum of the iso
[10:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> well i'm not doing this anymore
[10:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm just going to keep kde
[10:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> and hopefully burn an image formy girl's laptop
[10:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> otherwise
[10:49] <DistroJockey> for future reference :)
[10:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> just do the same
[10:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok what was the command to get k3b again?
[10:50] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, if you can wait 4 weeks, request a CD from  shipit.ubuntu.com
[10:50] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, sudo apt-get install k3b
[10:51] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, btw: 8.04.1 will be released in 2/3 days
[10:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> it says it was already installed (ist aht good or bad?)
[10:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> and what was the command to get rid of xubuntu?
[10:51] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, that be good
[10:52] <DistroJockey> not sure on that one, but you could take a look at the following in a terminal:   sudo tasksel
[10:52] <DistroJockey> and use the spacebar to un * xubuntu desktop
[10:53] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I'd burn your CD first though
[10:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> oh that's right
[10:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> oh wait
[10:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> i already deleted the xubuntu
[10:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> now what do id o?
[10:54] <DistroJockey> run k3b I guess
[10:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> oh wit
[10:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> i gotta log out
[10:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> and log back in right?
[10:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> brb
[10:55] <DistroJockey> may not need to, and might be better if you don't
[10:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> let me see
[10:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[10:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> opened k3b
[10:56] <DistroJockey> it's a nice program
[10:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[10:56] <DistroJockey> don't have it atm, so don't ask me how to use it ;P
[10:57] <DistroJockey> I guess I'll install kubuntu-desktop while I'm at it :)
[10:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[10:58] <DistroJockey> only 205MB to download :)
[10:59] <DistroJockey> I'll be done in 20 mins :)
[11:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey: do you know how to use partition magic?
[11:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> i basically need to use some of the space thats' free on the desk
[11:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> disk
[11:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> to use it for the ntsf windows partition
[11:07] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, nope, but I know how to use gparted
[11:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> link me to gparted for an iso file
[11:08] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, you want to try and install Windows in unpartitioned space that is not at the start of the disk?
[11:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> well thats' the thing
[11:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> it doesn't have that option
[11:08] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I did earlier was called pertedmagic
[11:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> it shows only the nig partition and it says
[11:09] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, no, it's not possible
[11:09] <DistroJockey> partedmagic^
[11:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> well
[11:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> it says
[11:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> pmagic
[11:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> maybe you're right
[11:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> maybe i'm confusing it
[11:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> i jsut burned the iso for it
[11:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> now i need to create some free space
[11:10] <DistroJockey> partition magic is a non free software
[11:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> you were theone who linked me to parted magic right?
[11:10] <DistroJockey> Windows will want the free space to be at the start of the disk
[11:10] <DistroJockey> yep
[11:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> well the thing is it only shows two partitions when i boot up with windows xp cd
[11:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> one is
[11:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> the huge partition
[11:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> in which kubuntu is now
[11:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> and has the option of using that wholething
[11:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> and otherwise the swap
[11:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> so you tell me
[11:12] <DistroJockey> yeah, it won't be easy and may not even be possible
[11:12] <DistroJockey> It is usually better to install Windows first and then a buntu
[11:13] <DistroJockey> maybe google for:  how to install windows after installing ubuntu
[11:14] <DistroJockey> or do it the other way round
[11:15] <DistroJockey> here's the first link (maybe it can be of some help):  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=384355
[11:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> install windows, format partition then run gparted or partedmagic and make free space for ubuntu to reinstall it to upgrade to kubuntu again?
[11:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:18] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, no, when installing Windows, leave some unpartitioned space for buntu and it's swap
[11:19] <DistroJockey> then you won't need partedmagic
[11:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok so let me see if i get it correctly
[11:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> i go and install windows
[11:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> on the big partition
[11:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> formatting everything
[11:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> then i installubuntu again
[11:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> and you promise you will help me
[11:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> upgrade to kubuntu again
[11:20] <microwaver> aren't you supposed to find a xcfe section on the usr ?
[11:20] <DistroJockey> well, not quite. When installing Windows, tell it to delete all partitions and then tell it to create a space for itself that is smaller than the drive's size
[11:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> oh like 60 gb ntsf only?
[11:21] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, yeah
[11:21] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, then you should have unpartitioned space that buntu can use happily
[11:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok wait for me here man i'll brb
[11:23] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I have a beer left, I'll be here :)
[11:30] <microwaver> Hello aren't you supposed to find the different gui packs on the usr map?  like /usr/share/gnome can't seem to find the xcfe one
[11:32] <DistroJockey> microwaver, how about  /usr/share/xfce4
[11:34] <microwaver> DistroJockey, yup is there. thanks. strange thing is, WHY WON'T IT FRIGGIN LOAD :p
[11:34] <DistroJockey> microwaver, what are you trying to do?
[11:34] <microwaver> trying to load xubuntu :)
[11:34] <DistroJockey> microwaver, ohh, right
[11:35] <microwaver> how do I remove gnome completeley :p
[11:35] <DistroJockey> microwaver, there is also  /usr/share/xfwm4
[11:36] <DistroJockey> microwaver, not sure, never done it. But I do like the tasksel tool:  sudo tasksel
[11:36] <microwaver> DistroJockey, does it deinstall as well?
[11:36] <microwaver> (handy thing)
[11:36] <DistroJockey> microwaver, I guess you hit space to un * ubuntu desktop
[11:36] <DistroJockey> microwaver, should
[11:37] <microwaver> DistroJockey, none of the ubuntu things are checked ?
[11:37] <DistroJockey> microwaver, it may not do a complete removal though
[11:37] <microwaver> DistroJockey, only xubuntu is checked, tho I'm using gnome atm
[11:38] <DistroJockey> microwaver, then I guess tasksel is not all knowing
[11:39] <DistroJockey> microwaver, do you get a terminal if you do a  Alt
[11:39] <DistroJockey> sec
[11:39] <DistroJockey> Alt+F2 and type gnome-terminal
[11:39] <microwaver> yes
[11:39] <DistroJockey> sorry, I hit enter instead of shift :)
[11:39] <DistroJockey> well, that sure does sound like gnome :)
[11:40] <microwaver> what's the command to open the xcfe terminal
[11:40] <microwaver> xcfe-terminal?
[11:40] <DistroJockey> not sure how to get rid of it though sorry, never wanted/needed to
[11:41] <DistroJockey> nah, that does'nt even work in Xfce :)
[11:41] <microwaver> hrmz
[11:42] <microwaver> xfce4-terminal
[11:42] <microwaver> that does the job , and works as well..
[11:42] <DistroJockey> aye :)
[11:43] <microwaver> but why won't xcfe as a session wont load :p
[11:43] <microwaver> not really in the mood for completely reinstalling kubuntu
[11:43] <microwaver> xubuntu*
[11:44] <DistroJockey> not too sure, I was on a clean Ubuntu install. I installed xubuntu-desktop, logged out and selected an Xfce session
[11:44] <DistroJockey> all fine
[11:44] <DistroJockey> maybe a: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[11:44] <DistroJockey> ?
[11:48] <microwaver> i'm relogging
[11:48] <microwaver> :p brbr
[11:48] <microwaver> reboot ftw
[11:48] <DistroJockey> :)
[11:52] <microwaver> voila, that seems better.
[11:52] <microwaver> are you experiencing slow scrolling in firefox3
[11:53] <DistroJockey> microwaver, cool
[11:53] <DistroJockey> microwaver, nope
[11:53] <microwaver> so it works totally smooth?
[11:54] <DistroJockey> yeah, with an ati card and xorg drivers
[11:54] <microwaver> well, you're having a similar config to me
[11:54] <microwaver> so you're not using the restricted ones?
[11:55] <DistroJockey> microwaver, nope
[11:55] <microwaver> EXPLAIN ME HOW :p
[11:55] <microwaver> what ati card do you have?
[11:56] <DistroJockey> get 2800 FPS in glxgears on a 9600 pro
[11:56] <microwaver> that seems to be a heavy card
[11:57] <microwaver> don't really know what ati card is in this vostro 1000
[11:57] <DistroJockey> ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600]
[11:57] <DistroJockey> it's ancien
[11:57] <DistroJockey> ancient^
[11:57] <microwaver> hmmm
[11:57] <microwaver> lshw is the command to go right?
[11:58] <DistroJockey> sudo lspci -v
[11:58] <DistroJockey> or just  lspci
[11:58] <microwaver>  ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[11:59] <microwaver> don't really think that's better, or is it?
[11:59] <DistroJockey> microwaver, what age to you put it at roughly?
[12:00] <microwaver> the laptop isn't a half year old :P
[12:00] <microwaver> :p
[12:00] <DistroJockey> microwaver, then it should be way better
[12:00] <microwaver> but this laptop (company's) is a super duper low budget one
[12:01] <microwaver> so tell me, did you follow a guide or something to use what driver
[12:01] <DistroJockey> http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonxpress200Intel/specs.html
[12:01] <DistroJockey> look about right? ^
[12:01] <microwaver> don't have an intel chipset, it's AMD Mobile Sempron
[12:02] <DistroJockey> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_14603_14616,00.html
[12:02] <microwaver> that's the card yeah, but that's not the xorg driver :p
[12:03] <DistroJockey> microwaver, may be too new for a decent xorg driver
[12:03] <DistroJockey> go with the amd/ati provided one if you need and can
[12:03] <microwaver> so the restricted one
[12:04] <DistroJockey> yeah
[12:04] <DistroJockey> make a backup of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf  first
[12:07] <microwaver> done.
[12:07] <microwaver> now just enable the restricted driver?
[12:07] <microwaver> brb reboot,
[12:08] <DistroJockey> yeah, a ctrl+alt+backspace  may work, but reboot will for sure
[12:08] <DistroJockey> snap
[12:26] <DistroJockey> microwaver, any luck?
[12:27] <microwaver> DistroJockey, after disabling the restricted driver and restarting, hideaus
[12:27] <microwaver> hideous
[12:27] <microwaver> saw 4 mouse pointers and all
[12:28] <DistroJockey> microwaver, yuck, no wonder I stick with xorg drivers :)
[12:29] <microwaver> erh
[12:29] <microwaver> that was when NOT using restricted driver
[12:29] <DistroJockey> hmm
[12:30] <DistroJockey> microwaver, may I see a pastebin of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf please?
[12:32] <microwaver> DistroJockey, of course
[12:32] <microwaver> !pastebin
[12:33] <DistroJockey> you can:  sudo apt-get install pastebinit && cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit
[12:33] <microwaver> In terminal?
[12:34] <DistroJockey> yep
[12:36] <DistroJockey> microwaver, mine is at:  http://pastebin.com/f3585e0a7
[12:36] <microwaver> http://pastebin.com/f267394f8
[12:37] <DistroJockey> microwaver, Gusty?
[12:37] <DistroJockey> 7.10^
[12:38] <microwaver> no.
[12:38] <microwaver> 8.04. why you ask?
[12:38] <RainCT> Hi
[12:39] <RainCT> is gnome-panel installed by default on Xubuntu?
[12:39] <DistroJockey> microwaver, xorg.conf looks too busy
[12:39] <DistroJockey> RainCT, doubt it
[12:39] <microwaver> define too busy
[12:39] <microwaver> :p
[12:39] <DistroJockey> microwaver, compare with the one I pasted of my current
[12:40] <DistroJockey> http://pastebin.com/f3585e0a7
[12:40] <microwaver> DistroJockey, you're right, but eh. lot's of doubles in it you mean?
[12:40] <DistroJockey> microwaver, you upgraded didn't you?
[12:42] <microwaver> DistroJockey, Yes i did. not a clean ubuntu 8.04 install, but a 7.10 . Then upgrade than xub
[12:43] <DistroJockey> microwaver, you could try changing  fglrx  to radeon  and possibly get rid of the last 2 sections (Module and Extensions)  Make a backup if you havn't
[12:43] <RainCT> DistroJockey: thx
[12:44] <DistroJockey> RainCT, no problem. Any particular reason you ask?
[12:44] <microwaver> DistroJockey, got a backup ;)
[12:44] <DistroJockey> microwaver, :)
[12:46] <RainCT> DistroJockey: yes, there's an app (AWN) that crashes if you don't have gnome-panel installed when you try to add a customized launcher to it, and I want to know if this is likely to be a problem for Xubuntu users
[12:46] <DistroJockey> RainCT, ahh
[12:47] <DistroJockey> RainCT, well, I had a base clean install of Ubuntu that I added xubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop to tonight to help some people
[12:48] <DistroJockey> RainCT, so I have gnome-panel by default
[12:50] <DistroJockey> RainCT, and no, I'm not going to remove it ;)
[12:50] <RainCT> DistroJockey: hahah. don't worry :)
[12:51] <microwaver> DistroJockey, adjust xorg.conf and then disbale the restricted driver
[12:51] <DistroJockey> microwaver, you could just try the fglrx to radeon change first, then if that is no good get rid of those last 2 sections
[12:53] <DistroJockey> microwaver, btw: for some reason my FPS in now averaging 5700
[12:53] <DistroJockey> is now^
[12:54] <microwaver> DistroJockey, what's the command to check that again?
[12:54] <DistroJockey> microwaver, in a terminal:  glxgears
[12:54] <DistroJockey> microwaver, don't resize the window
[12:55] <DistroJockey> microwaver, and as they say "glxgears is not a benchmarking utility" :)
[12:55] <DistroJockey> microwaver, but it is handy :)
[12:55] <microwaver> lol
[12:55] <microwaver> 712 frames in 5.0 seconds = 142.228 FPS
[12:55] <microwaver> 660 frames in 5.1 seconds = 129.534 FPS
[12:55] <microwaver> 556 frames in 5.2 seconds = 105.989 FPS
[12:56] <DistroJockey> microwaver, let it sit for a bit with no activity, but it's not looking good
[13:02] <ClawEEE> hello guys
[13:03] <DistroJockey> hi ClawEEE
[13:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> hey
[13:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i do to get the repos for ubuntu
[13:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> if i-m on 5.10
[13:06] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, you could try a:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> i gotta run i will talkt o you later bye thanks for your help
[13:07] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, but as they said in #kubuntu you can't go straight from 5.10 to 8.04
[13:07] <DistroJockey> snap
[13:13] <microwaver> DistroJockey, it doesn't work at all on the xorg.conf
[13:13] <DistroJockey> microwaver, any better?
[13:13] <DistroJockey> :(
[13:14] <DistroJockey> microwaver, tried the following yet?:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[13:15] <microwaver> DistroJockey, the slwo fps could also be due to the fact that I'm using compiz(-fusion)
[13:15] <microwaver> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[13:15] <microwaver>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080701141527
[13:15] <microwaver>  few that's normal
[13:15] <DistroJockey> microwaver, nah, it's a misconfiguration. I run compiz fine
[13:16] <DistroJockey> microwaver, not in Xfce though :)
[13:17] <DistroJockey> microwaver, get 2800 FPS average in Xfce. Probably similar in Gnome with cube and the rest
[13:20] <DistroJockey> microwaver, btw: the reason my FPS went to 5700 was due to the fact that I covered or closed the gears window :)
[13:22] <microwaver> aha :p
[13:22] <microwaver> DistroJockey, misconfiguration
[13:24] <DistroJockey> microwaver, something wrong with your xorg.conf somewhere I'm thinking
[13:25] <microwaver> I did the command you told me teo completely reconfigure it. going to disable the hardware driver
[13:25] <DistroJockey> microwaver, ahh, k
[13:26] <DistroJockey> microwaver, have seen many people that have upgraded have issues like this. And sound issues.
[13:26] <microwaver> sound doesn't seem to be a problem
[13:27] <DistroJockey> microwaver, good :)
[13:29] <DistroJockey> microwaver, I'm sorry I can't help further. I've never actually had any of the issues you are having, but many have (I just can't think anymore, need sleep)
[13:30] <DistroJockey> microwaver, good luck
[13:30]  * DistroJockey waves
[13:33] <homebrewcider> hey there, just need a bit of help getting mt FAt32 windows/linux common drive writeable, it's mounted at /media/FAT32, I can read it, but it's the fstab I need help with
[14:10] <homebrewcider> hey there, can anybody help me with my fstab please? i have a fat32 partition on sda6, I have mounted at /media/FAT32, I need to get it writeable please, can someone help me please
[14:34] <kwhk> hello
[14:37] <kwhk> i'm running xubuntu 7.10 on my thinkpad 600e, PII 300 MHz, with 228.8M Ram.  i'm wondering whether i should upgrade to 8.04.  can any one give some advice?
[14:39] <kwhk> will that slow down my machine materially?
[16:30] <EverettGMartin> wow we got more people in this room today
[16:36] <EverettGMartin> ok so can someone answer my question, everything that cant be found in gui on xubuntu can be accessed by terminal right?
[16:41] <th0r> nope...not everything
[16:49] <EverettGMartin> ah well i couldnt access the audio tuner so i remember going to terminal and typing alsamixer
[16:50] <th0r> you can do that, but not EVERYTHING is available. I hav elooked high and low, never did find the ultimate answer
[16:50] <EverettGMartin> yea
[16:51] <EverettGMartin> well, i wish more people were on the xubuntu channel, compared to the ubuntu channel 2000 people n stuff
[17:04] <th0r> yeah, but you can get answers here...and don't have to listening to all the whining
[17:05] <migm> but whhhhhyyy
[17:10] <skinnymg1> hello
[17:11] <skinnymg1> need a suggestion for an app to read samba files
[17:11] <zoredache> skinnymg1: fusesmb
[17:11] <skinnymg1> thnx
[17:11] <th0r> unless, of course, it is the samba config files you need to read.
[17:12] <migm> in which case, use your eyes
[17:12] <th0r> or swat
[17:12] <migm> seriously
[17:12] <migm> just use your eyes
[17:12] <migm> they're not that hard
[18:16] <MOUNIR> hey, it is possible to run xubuntu from ram? (boot from usb key)
[18:17] <th0r> if you can get the computer to boot from the usb it should be possible.
[18:17] <MOUNIR> how much ram I need?
[18:18] <evil_tech> ping
[18:18] <th0r> the blurbs say 64MB to install xfce, but I would expect to need at least 192 to run as you are suggesting
[18:19] <MOUNIR> thanks
[18:23] <Valsum> I'd use alternate instead of live cd for it to be faster ;)
[18:40] <evil_tech> i have no window manager or panel! help
[18:54] <evil_tech> anyone here
[18:54] <evil_tech> well now i got a panel but no window manager...hmmm
[19:18] <skinnymg1> does anyone know why after an update emerald would quit working
[19:21] <evil_tech> what is the command to manually start the window manager
[19:22] <evil_tech> ?
[19:22] <TheSheep> xfwm4
[19:23] <evil_tech> ah
[19:27] <evil_tech> so what do i need to fix so i dont have to manually start xfce4-panel and xfwm4 everytime i reboot?
[19:48] <th0r> evil_tech, do you get a display manager screen when you start up...a login screen?
[19:51] <evil_tech> th0r: i get the normal xubuntu login then after i log in the heron ubuntu wallpaper shows up along with a terminal window but no windows manager or panel
[19:52] <th0r> evil_tech, on the login screen, do you have the option to change the default window manager? It is usually called 'Sessions' in gdm
[19:53] <th0r> evil_tech, it sounds like you might be defaulting to twm, if you choose to login in to xfce from the Sessions menu it should prompt if you want that to be your default for future logins
[19:55] <evil_tech> ok i am going to log out and see
[19:58] <evil_tech> th0r: that was it
[19:58] <th0r> evil_tech, I have my moments
[20:03] <skinnymg1> i fixed the emerald problem just reinstalled it and its fine now
[22:05] <yesitisjustme> s it possible for a internet provider to block like other computers on your house like a laptop and only allow desktop to connect to internet?
[22:09] <Genelyk> mmm
[22:11] <proprietarysucks> having a bit of trouble with connecting remote desktop in xfce
[22:11] <proprietarysucks> 'remote desktop viewer', this is for connecting to rdp right?
[22:13] <yesitisjustme> does the modem have to be cycled when changing computer?
[22:14] <proprietarysucks> also I'm experiencing a disturbing problem with my xubuntu machine
[22:14] <proprietarysucks> if I plug my tilt into it, I lose internet connectivity
[22:16] <gaurdro> yesitisjustme, could you explain further?
[22:16] <TheSheep> yesitisjustme: yes, he can detect the hardware address of your network card (MAC). you can however configure your home computer to relay the network connection to other computers, or temporarily fake the hardware address
[22:16] <TheSheep> yesitisjustme: but it's pretty advanced
[22:17] <gaurdro> proprietarysucks,  what port does your tilt plug into?  i'm not sure what a tilt is.
[22:18] <proprietarysucks> http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?device=AT%26T+Tilt(TM)&q_sku=sku1060009
[22:18] <proprietarysucks> usb
[22:19] <proprietarysucks> if you are an expert I can elaborate the effects further
[22:20] <gaurdro> I'm wondering if it's not picking up your phone as a modem.  and more information is always a good thing when troubleshooting
[22:20] <proprietarysucks> alright you asked for it
[22:21] <proprietarysucks> 1. in windows vista, when you plug this in, it comes up as a block device
[22:21] <proprietarysucks> 2. if you go into the phone and start the connection sharing, then vista suddenly sees a network device
[22:22] <proprietarysucks> in fedora, when I plug it in, neither is seen apparently
[22:22] <proprietarysucks> but I leave it plugged in just to charge it
[22:22] <proprietarysucks> however in xubuntu, the second i plug it in my connectivity is lost
[22:23] <proprietarysucks> it shows up as eth1 and has an ip address
[22:23] <proprietarysucks> and interestingly, this is what I've discovered
[22:23] <gaurdro> xubuntu is seeing the phone as  a modem.
[22:23] <gaurdro> do you normally connect via wireless?
[22:23] <proprietarysucks> with it plugged in, when I ping my gateway, ping shows the 'from' ip address as mine. however when I ping my dns server it shows the from address as the tilt's ip address (!) even when I ping -I eth0
[22:24] <proprietarysucks> no I normally use wired eth0 with static
[22:24] <gaurdro> do you have the network manager added to the panel.  I don't remember if it defaults on or not.
[22:24] <yesitisjustme> i thought to cycle a modem you just had to turn it off for a while and the back on
[22:25] <proprietarysucks> gaurdro: it does and I do
[22:25] <gaurdro> does it give more than one option for connection with the phone plugged in?
[22:26] <proprietarysucks> does it give more than one option for connection
[22:26] <proprietarysucks> let me think about that
[22:26] <yesitisjustme> ya i has a connector for phone line and a bigger connector for ethernet build in the laptop
[22:27] <proprietarysucks> when I click on manual configuration it shows eth0 and eth1 when it's plugged in, along with a point to point
[22:27] <proprietarysucks> normally, as in now, it shows eth0 and point to point only
[22:27] <yesitisjustme> plus i even tried a pcmcia card wich makes a nosie when it gets detected on boot and dongle cable lights up
[22:27] <proprietarysucks> but as far as the little text box which comes up and has a dot in wired network, no it stays with only wired network
[22:27] <yesitisjustme> but when try to browse it wont
[22:28] <yesitisjustme> and there is like activity in the modem the lights
[22:29] <gaurdro> proprietarysucks, try  running   'ifconfig eth1 down'
[22:30] <proprietarysucks> I tried doing that and it said no configuration for eth1
[22:30] <proprietarysucks> ifdown eth1 actually
[22:32] <gaurdro> you might have to do it as root.
[22:37] <proprietarysucks> i just say sudo before everything
[22:37] <proprietarysucks> since ubuntu is rediculous about that ;-p
[22:37] <proprietarysucks> sudo ls ; sudo seq 1 10 ; sudo ls -al
[22:38] <proprietarysucks> anyone know how to connect to remote desktop with xfce ?
[23:11] <jvin248> I happened to be working on this a couple of days ago (8.04 client machine, 7.10 server)... For remote desktop you'll need to install on the server 'vino' and run 'vino-preferences' (or add to menu) and have launched '/usr/lib/vino/vino-server' (or add into autolaunch menu).  Client you should just need the Remote Desktop menu item (installed in 8.04 default I think).  It seems to work across the LAN, though I want to get it working across WAN next.
[23:21] <zoredache> it isn't a really good idea to use VNC over the internet...
[23:22] <zoredache> it would be better to build an SSH tunnel (try gstm) and then connect via the tunnel
[23:27] <jvin248> thanks for the tip on gstm... Quick look it seems good.  I'll have to do some experimenting.
[23:35] <psyke83> hi, quick question - does Xubuntu 8.04 come installed with PulseAudio?