[00:00] <creaphot> join #pidgin
[00:01] <candive> Hi all, what did that donkeys behind bill gates do now? I must have Internet Explorer to get to my hotmail.
[00:02] <HighHo> candive: works ok for me
[00:03] <Schuenemann> candive, one more reason to leave hotmail
[00:03] <pulaski> To rephrase, does anyone know the path to the standard location of the ALSA include directory?
[00:03] <candive> I get a message that I must update IE Firefox or MAC
[00:04] <candive> I will have to set it up with a windows pc and forward to my Gmail account I will be setting up today
[00:04] <HighHo> candive: i can only confirm it works with firefox 3 and konqueror built from the kde 4 svn
[00:05] <candive> I am using Konqueror???
[00:05] <candive> Will try again
[00:06] <candive> I can get to my mailbox now but cannot open mail in inbox
[00:08] <HighHo> candive:  just double checked and is working for me, as mentioned however im using kde4 svn, it might be an issue with older versions if your using a diffrent version.
[00:08] <sjdurfey> im trying to use the 8.04 LiveCD, but it gets to the login screen and enters an infinite loop and i cannot log in to use it. ive downloaded the iso two seperate times, and neither have worked, can anyone help?
[00:10] <candive> I never had a problem until today. no new progs or updates?
[00:11] <HighHo> candive: have you tryed clearing the cache, cookies etc?
[00:12] <candive> Not yet, how is that done in Kubuntu? please
[00:13] <candive> HighHo, Not yet, how is that done in Kubuntu? please
[00:13] <sjdurfey> clearing out the cache and what not in Firefox?
[00:15] <HighHo> candive: Top menu - Settings > Confingure Konqueror > Cache tab
[00:16] <feistel> hi
[00:16] <feistel> where is located the local xorg.conf file?
[00:16] <feistel> not the global (/etc/X11/)
[00:18] <EagleScreen> i didn't know thare is local xorg.conf file
[00:18] <candive> HighHo, still stopped by Microsoft. where can I send a screenshot for you to see
[00:19] <EagleScreen> if you use konversatio you can right-click over the user and select send file
[00:21] <candive> HighHo, can I send you a screen shot?
[00:24] <feistel> hi
[00:24] <feistel> where is located the local xorg.conf file?
[00:25] <phiberoptik> Bonsoir tous le monde
[00:25] <feistel> the user specific xorg.conf file
[00:25] <Gibus_> in /etc/X11
[00:25] <phiberoptik> il est dans /etc/X11
[00:25] <Gibus_> hi phiberoptik
[00:25] <feistel> mmm
[00:26] <feistel> but is not xorg.conf <-- the global file
[00:26] <feistel> I need found the local (user) xorg.conf
[00:26] <candive> ok thank you, I will troubleshoot my kubuntu.
[00:26] <creaphot> feistel: is it possible at all to have per-user X settings?
[00:26] <candive> chow
[00:26] <feistel> creaphot, yes
[00:26] <feistel> in my box
[00:27] <feistel> kdm use 1 xorg.conf and the user another
[00:27] <feistel> and I have a standard kubuntu installation
[00:27] <phiberoptik> je sais est ce qu'il existe un xconf.config pour un user
[00:27] <creaphot> feistel: hmm i see
[00:27] <sjdurfey> im trying to use the 8.04 LiveCD, but it gets to the login screen and enters an infinite loop and i cannot log in to use it. ive downloaded the iso two seperate times, and neither have worked, can anyone help?
[00:29] <phiberoptik> test
[00:30] <BluesKaj> !fr | phiberoptik
[00:31] <phiberoptik> merci ubottu
[00:31] <phiberoptik> desolé
[00:44] <Red_Wraith> Hello all
[00:44] <NickPresta> hey, Red_Wraith
[00:45] <Red_Wraith> Quiet today, eh?
[00:47] <NickPresta> a little. it is canada day + tuesday
[00:54] <creaphot> feistel: i checked a bit cause i was thinking about this some time before. i'm pretty sure that there isn't a local xorg.conf, but you can change per user settings in kcontrol, which stores them somewhere in ~/.kde. So kdm has one reslolution because of xorg, and the user gets another because of what you put in kcontrol
[00:55] <creaphot> or maybe there is some magic tricks with ~/.xinitrc
[01:01] <neospd> Ауб есть кто.
[01:01] <neospd> ау
[01:01] <neospd> народ
[01:02] <pierre-luc> what is the command to update all packages available
[01:02] <Gibus_> sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:02] <Gibus_> after having sudo apt-get update to get a fresh list of packages
[01:02] <neospd> please help me install Ati HD2600
[01:03] <pierre-luc> thx Gibus_
[01:03] <NickPresta> !ru | neospd
[01:03] <neospd> Thanks
[01:15] <neospd> please tell me russian channel ubuntu
[01:16] <neospd> please tell me russian channel ubuntu
[01:16] <mitsarionas> #ubuntu-ru
[01:16] <neospd> Thanks
[01:16] <RurouniJones> Is anyone else having issues with cryptsetup password not being accepted on bootup with the .24-19 kernel?
[01:16] <mitsarionas> np
[01:21] <Schuenemann> can anyone recommend me a svn client?
[01:24] <RurouniJones> kdesvn
[01:24] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: bittorrentgui.
[01:25] <Schuenemann> bit torrent?
[01:27] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, isn't that for p2p?
[01:28] <RurouniJones> yers
[01:28] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Distributed filesharing, and I have no idea why I associated that with svn.
[01:28] <RurouniJones> kdesvn is the standard KDE SVN client...hence the name
[01:28] <jhutchins> Why would you need anything but the svn client?
[01:28] <jhutchins> svn up - who needs a gui to type two words?
[01:29] <Schuenemann> RurouniJones, installing
[01:29] <Pigeon`> When i click the bouton "Desktop Access" in my taskbar and exemple i had firefox open, and then i open a folder on my desktop, why is firefox poping back up and after my folder? its annoying
[01:29] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, to navigate the directories faster, maybe. Console is boring and error-prone
[01:30] <jhutchins> console is powerful and fast.
[01:30] <jhutchins> And seriously, how many errors can you make in two words that short?
[01:31] <Schuenemann> Pigeon`, because if you're working and "minimize" everything to click an icon on desktop, you'd like to have the windows you were working back, wouldn't you?
[01:31] <jhutchins> I admit, I use gui filemangers, yes, browsing with a gui would be convenient.  I thought most installations included a web interface though.  CVS almost always doesn.
[01:31] <Pigeon`> no Schuenemann, I REALLY don't :P
[01:31] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, Convenient was the word I wanted to say
[01:31] <Pigeon`> Can i change that?
[01:31] <Schuenemann> Pigeon`, yes, let me see...
[01:32] <Pigeon`> cool thx
[01:32] <_dennister> hey channel...as previously thought, I need some samba help quickly
[01:33] <Schuenemann> Pigeon`, open file ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[01:33] <helpy> my kubuntu won't allow me to get in. when i put my password it restarts server x and gets back to login screen
[01:33] <helpy> any idea ?
[01:33] <_dennister> samba is set up properly on server, but need to connect from xp home laptop, and while the laptop is seeing "workgroup", it's not seeing any of the servers in that workgroup
[01:33] <Schuenemann> Pigeon`, add ShowDesktopIsMinimizeAll=true to Windows
[01:33] <Pigeon`> thx Schuenemann
[01:34] <_dennister> laptop can't even successfully "search" for any servers
[01:34] <_dennister> could anyone pls help me with this laptop so my son can take server, laptop, etc. out of here? he has to leave soon
[01:34] <Pigeon`> well still don't work :/
[01:36] <Pigeon`> do i have to reboot Schuenemann ?
[01:36] <helpy> my kubuntu won't allow me to get in. when i put my password it restarts server x and gets back to login screen
[01:36] <helpy> any idea ?
[01:36] <Schuenemann> Pigeon`, restart X I think
[01:37] <Pigeon`> ctrl alt backspace?
[01:37] <Schuenemann> yes
[01:37] <Pigeon`> ok brb
[01:37] <helpy> Schuenemann you have any idea, my kubuntu won't allow me to login
[01:37] <helpy> it would restart x and take me back to login screen
[01:37] <helpy> ?
[01:38] <Schuenemann> graphics configuration, maybe?
[01:38] <helpy> no i can see screen fine
[01:38] <helpy> but it won't log me in
[01:38] <helpy> it just stays on login window
[01:38] <tekstacy> how do I run ktorrent (or other kde) programs on a remote machine I have ssh access to? I get an error message about the display..
[01:39] <sub[t]rnl> helpy➜ anything in your ~.kde/Autostart/ directory?
[01:39] <Pigeon`> Schuenemann = the best!!! =D
[01:39] <helpy> i am in windows now sub[t]rnl
[01:39] <helpy> and i have installed kubuntu with wubi
[01:39] <helpy> how do i check ?
[01:40] <sub[t]rnl> umn. not sure never used wubi.
[01:40] <helpy> :s
[01:41] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[01:41] <hydrogen> for some reason my cpu is not scaling like it should
[01:42] <hydrogen> it's stuck at the minimum speed
[01:42] <sub[t]rnl> helpy➜ if your seeing kdm you should be ok, probably some kde setting conflicting. try mv ~/.kde{,.bak} then login
[01:44] <helpy> i should write it in command line mode ?
[01:44] <sub[t]rnl> first check the ~/.kde/Autostart/ directory, as that would be the first suspect.  if nothing is in there, then yes, from a cli rename ~/.kde
[01:45] <helpy> how do i check it in windows ?
[01:45] <sub[t]rnl> heh
[01:45] <sub[t]rnl> why does that question confuse me so.. :(
[01:45] <helpy> heh
[01:46] <sub[t]rnl> not quite sure what you have setup.  your running a vm or something?
[01:46] <helpy> so ideally ~/.kde/autostart/ should be empty ?
[01:46] <helpy> i have windows and installed kubuntu in it through wubi
[01:47] <sub[t]rnl> not ideally, but if there is something in there i would remove it to see if its causing the hiccup
[01:47] <helpy> ok
[01:47] <sub[t]rnl> might want to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any complaints as well
[01:48] <Pigeon`> how can i make konqueror my "official" folder browser
[01:48] <helpy> ok let me reboot and report back
[01:48] <helpy> uninstall dolphin Pigeon`
[01:48] <helpy> cya
[01:48] <Pigeon`> ok
[01:49] <Pigeon`> nothing more? lol
[01:49] <Jucato> !d3lphin | Pigeon`
[01:49] <Jucato> hm.
[01:49] <Jucato> !dolphin
[01:49] <Pigeon`> thx
[01:50] <RoughriderUT> Anyone familiar with getting sound to work on a macbook?
[01:51] <hydrogen> !kernel
[01:54] <tuxwulf> What happened to proper language support in 8.04 ....? i.e. KDE 4 ...?
[01:56] <Pigeon`> Can Konqueror files browser can be as a "list" and not icons
[01:56] <mitsarionas> tekstacy: solved that ssh question yet?
[01:56] <tuxwulf> Pigeon`: view - view mode
[01:57] <Pigeon`> will it be like "by defaults"
[01:57] <tuxwulf> Pigeon`: you can save that layout/setup too: settings - save view profile
[01:58] <Pigeon`> thx
[01:58] <tuxwulf> Pigeon`: In there also defaults can be set... (but it does nto always retain its settigns, I have found...)
[01:58] <tuxwulf> yw
[01:59] <Pigeon`> wow you are a genius =D
[01:59] <_dennister> can someone please help me with accessing samba servers from xp home laptop? getting howehere in the winblows channel
[01:59] <tuxwulf> Pigeon`:  Nope! I ran into the same questions 6 months ago and asked here, too!
[01:59] <Pigeon`> lol
[02:00] <Pigeon`> i was in the configure thing i never found it...
[02:00] <tuxwulf> Pigeon`: ....I know!
[02:01] <sub[t]rnl> settings -> configure konqueror -> file association -> inode -> directory -> embedding -> in the prefrence order move whatever view you want to the top.
[02:01] <sub[t]rnl> that way it will stay when you open new tabs, et cetra
[02:01] <Pigeon`> oh
[02:01] <tuxwulf> there we go...!
[02:01] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, kind of a chore..
[02:02] <intelikey> any possability i might be able to get ping to work for normal users ?   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d5927777a
[02:03] <tuxwulf> Hey , cooool!
[02:03] <tuxwulf> sub[t]rnl: Thanks...!
[02:03] <sub[t]rnl> np bro
[02:04] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ yeah make ping not open network connections so the powers that be consider it safe enough for normal users
[02:04] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[02:05] <intelikey> like what socket is it trying to open
[02:05] <intelikey> or is it trying to creat a socket ?
[02:05] <sub[t]rnl> not sure on the mechanics
[02:06] <intelikey> the powers that be    hehhe   that's me.
[02:06] <sub[t]rnl> just that it can open a network connection, so it can send and receive you know
[02:06] <intelikey> yeah  but links does that too so does bx   and they work
[02:07] <intelikey> it's more than just opening a connection.   even wget does that.
[02:07] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[02:07] <sub[t]rnl> still you won't see links and bx suid
[02:07] <intelikey> you wont see anything on this box  suid   ;/
[02:07] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[02:08] <sub[t]rnl> then ping won't work. :P
[02:08] <intelikey> any possability i might be able to get ping to work for normal users ?   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d5927777a
[02:08] <intelikey> thus the paste  ^
[02:08] <intelikey> but just bevause it can't be done, doesn't mormally stop me.
[02:09] <sub[t]rnl> i know
[02:09] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[02:09] <sub[t]rnl> if you figure that one out tell me.
[02:09] <sub[t]rnl> just u+s it man, no one is going to hax your ping
[02:10] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[02:12] <intelikey> "mitsarionas: #kubuntu (Remote closed the connection)
 "just u+s it"   ???      whole system is nosuid
[02:14] <mitsarionas> ?
[02:14] <intelikey> mitsarionas copy error.  disreguard.
[02:15] <mitsarionas> ok :)
[02:15] <intelikey> text scrolled just at the wrong time.
[02:15] <mitsarionas> hehe :)
[02:16] <tekstacy> How do I run ktorrent on a machine I have ssh'ed into without getting a display error?
[02:16] <tekstacy> I just need to start it on the machine, I don't need to "see" it
[02:16] <mitsarionas> export DISPLAY:0.0
[02:16] <mitsarionas> then run it
[02:17] <intelikey> use a non-gui torrent ?
[02:17] <mitsarionas> or that :)
[02:17] <tekstacy> It's already set up, I just forgot to restart it before I left....
[02:18] <Hawkeye-X> hello
[02:18] <intelikey> Hawkeye-X
[02:18] <Hawkeye-X> so has anyone tried installing vista on top of kubuntu?
[02:18] <Hawkeye-X> because my copy of vista won't install.
[02:18] <Hawkeye-X> Hmm
[02:18] <mitsarionas> sorry, that was export DISPLAY=:0.0
[02:18] <tekstacy> how do I do that?
[02:19] <Hawkeye-X> and I allocated 100G to Vista
[02:19] <Hawkeye-X> any clues?
[02:19] <mitsarionas> just log in with ssh, type that, and then run ktorrent
[02:19]  * intelikey allocated a small space in the garbage bin to vesta
[02:19] <tekstacy> Hawkeye, I have a copy of Vista running now with VirtualBox
[02:19] <Hawkeye-X> intelikey: then how am I supposed to play Diablo III when it comes out?
[02:20] <mitsarionas> or in one line: DISPLAY=:0.0 ktorrent
[02:20] <mr---t-> vista doesn't play well with linux
[02:20] <Hawkeye-X> tekstacy: how? I didn't get mine to install
[02:20] <tekstacy> :)
[02:20] <Hawkeye-X> kept barfing something about needing modules
[02:20] <tekstacy> How are you trying to do it? As a dual-boot, or a virtual machine?
[02:21] <Hawkeye-X> tek: what's the best way to go? I love Linux, but only want to use Vista for the games
[02:21] <RurouniJones> Dual boot
[02:21] <Hawkeye-X> I'm open to doing either.
[02:21] <tekstacy> BTW: Vista blows and your life will probably be happier if you forget the endeauvor
[02:21] <dorkface> HI all.  When I press the volume keys on my laptop, kmix wants to increase and decrease the volume by increments of 10%.  However, I would like to shrink those increments to 5% or 1%.  Anybody know how to do this, or might be able to lead me in the right direction?
[02:21] <RurouniJones> or hope wine supports D3
[02:21] <helpy> sub[t]rnl didnt work
[02:22] <Hawkeye-X> tek: Been there, done that, GTTS....
[02:22] <tekstacy> mitsarionas, thk!
[02:22] <helpy> it said  b43/ucode5.fw firmware missing
[02:22] <Hawkeye-X> but there are some things that I need from Vista.
[02:22] <RurouniJones> You can't play games inside a virtual machine
[02:22] <Schuenemann> like viruses?
[02:22] <RurouniJones> None of them do DirectX translation to the underlying video card
[02:22] <mitsarionas> you're wellcome :) you might want to try x111vnc too (i've been using that along with ssh)
[02:23] <helpy> huh?
[02:23] <Hawkeye-X> RurouniJones: I have partition set aside for Vista, but it won't install because something about the right system volume information
[02:23] <mr---t-> It's easier to install Kubuntu after the vista instal kubuntu can deal with vista better than vista can deal with kubuntu
[02:24] <Schuenemann> Hawkeye-X, for games you could try cedega
[02:24] <RurouniJones> Hawkeye-X: Did you format the partition?
[02:24] <mr---t-> vista is seeing the kubuntu partition as an error ,thanx m$
[02:25] <Hawkeye-X> RurouniJones: gparter was supposed to have done that
[02:25] <RurouniJones> Install Vista first then linux
[02:25] <helpy> i am using kubuntu with vista
[02:25] <helpy> and it sux
[02:25] <RurouniJones> I always install Windows first then linux....much less hassle
[02:25] <helpy> anything goes wrong with windows you lose linux too
[02:25] <mr---t-> ^^
[02:25] <RurouniJones> don't have to f*ck about restoring boot partitions for starters
[02:25] <diegol> hi
[02:25] <Hawkeye-X> RurouniJones: Bah. I'd rather buy a 2nd hard drive to keep it seperate.
[02:25] <helpy> i can't get into kubuntu at this time. it won't log me in. it just restarts x
[02:26] <Hawkeye-X> I don't need that much, right?
[02:26] <RurouniJones> still need to install windows first
[02:26] <arrrghhh> ok so i've tried a livecd, flash drive version of kubuntu ubuntu and nothing boots it.
[02:26] <RurouniJones> or piss about with boot parttions
[02:26] <arrrghhh> it just dies and kicks me to the initframs prompt
[02:26] <Hawkeye-X> hmm
[02:26] <tekstacy> unless you need any of that aacs crap, xp is better then vista for dual booting (or anything)
[02:26] <Schuenemann> Hawkeye-X, the problem is that that junk will overwrite the mbr
[02:27] <Hawkeye-X> well, sooner or later, DIII will port themselves in Linux
[02:27] <diegol> who can help me with a problem when a try compiling ?
[02:27] <Hawkeye-X> or wine still works
[02:27] <Schuenemann> I wouldn't count on that
[02:27] <Schuenemann> cedega is better than wine for games
[02:27] <Hawkeye-X> tekstacy: I'd love to dual boot w/ XP
[02:27] <Hawkeye-X> cedega?
[02:27] <Hawkeye-X> lemme see it
[02:27] <mr---t-> I do
[02:27] <RurouniJones> diegol: Before anything else. Did you apt-get install build-essential
[02:28]  * RurouniJones spits on cedega's grave
[02:28] <diegol> hold on a sec
[02:28] <RurouniJones> transgaming.com
[02:28] <Schuenemann> cedega is over?
[02:28] <tekstacy> low battery, bye all...
[02:28] <RurouniJones> No, just ishful thinking on m part
[02:29] <Hawkeye-X> bah. cedega is commercial - have to *BUY* it?
[02:29] <RurouniJones> They took the wine sourceode before it went GPL with a promise to merge back their changes to improve everything
[02:29] <RurouniJones> Guess what? they lied.
[02:29] <mitsarionas> hahaha
[02:30] <candive> Hi all, has anyone had trouble checking hotmail with konqueror.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24377/
[02:30] <Hawkeye-X> so they went commerical? That's fucking stupid.
[02:30] <mitsarionas> i wonder how much they're making
[02:30] <Schuenemann> Hawkeye-X, well, you already *BOUGHT* diablo
[02:30] <intelikey> candive yes i have.
[02:30] <Hawkeye-X> Schuenemann: about 7 years ago when it was hawt
[02:30] <mr---t-> Hawkeye-X:  kubuntu can read windows files but win can't read kubuntu thats why you have to put on vista first for a dual boot
[02:30] <intelikey> candive so i haven't checked it in 3 years now.
[02:31] <Schuenemann> Hawkeye-X, well, it will serve for other games you might play, I dunno
[02:31] <intelikey> mr---t- ?
[02:31] <Hawkeye-X> mr---t-: well, I'll surivive
[02:31] <candive> intelikley, I was going to ask if you solved it
[02:31] <intelikey> candive nope.
[02:31] <Schuenemann> mr---t-, actually, you have to do that because windows will erase the mbr
[02:31] <Hawkeye-X> Schuenemann: still have the CDs for it heh.
[02:32] <candive> gmail?
[02:32] <Schuenemann> Hawkeye-X, you have icewind dale?
[02:32] <mr---t-> that too
[02:32] <Hawkeye-X> Schuenemann: nope, never played that.
[02:32] <jimmy51_home> i'm downloading a DVD iso via torrent and transmission.  when i start the transfer and walk away for a few hours, it's always closed when i get back and i have to restart it.  it is downloading quite a bit each time, but ends up closing.  is this typical?
[02:33] <intelikey> !gmail | candive
[02:33] <intelikey> !bot ???
[02:33] <mitsarionas> lol
[02:33] <intelikey> ah bot is lagging..
[02:33] <RurouniJones> jimmy51_home: No, could be your ISP messing around with it. You are in America after all
[02:33] <jimmy51_home> geez.  stupid ISP's.  would that cause transmission to close though?
[02:33]  * Hawkeye-X has no problems downloading via torrents
[02:33] <Hawkeye-X> jimmy51: cable or DSL?
[02:33] <intelikey> candive i think kmail will work basicly the same as evo with gmail
[02:34] <candive> intelikey, thanks
[02:34] <jimmy51_home> i could see throttling after a while, but for transmission to close is weird
[02:34] <jimmy51_home> DSL
[02:34] <Hawkeye-X> jimmy51: What ISP?
[02:34] <RurouniJones> Could just be an old fashoined bug somehwere
[02:34] <jimmy51_home> SBC, AT&T, SBCYAHOO, whatever they're called these days
[02:34] <mitsarionas> you mean that the application quits?
[02:34] <mitsarionas> :S
[02:34] <jimmy51_home> yeah, i come back and it's not running
[02:34] <RoughriderUT> Anyone familiar with how to get sound to work on a Macbook
[02:34] <RurouniJones> !es
[02:34] <Hawkeye-X> AT&T are useless for torrents since they're pretty much blocking everything.
[02:34] <Schuenemann> Hawkeye-X, internet service provider
[02:35] <jimmy51_home> it's always been decent, speedwise
[02:35]  * Hawkeye-X is an ISP reseller.
[02:35] <jimmy51_home> especially for what i pay.  if they start blocking or otherwise messing with it, i'll switch
[02:35] <intelikey> resellers get in the way...
[02:36] <Schuenemann> Hawkeye-X, heh... thought you asked what was an ISP? :p
[02:36] <neospd> и?
[02:36] <Hawkeye-X> intelikey: well, we stumbled into a new cashcow business model
[02:36] <candive> chow
[02:36] <jimmy51_home> neospd | hsilgne
[02:37] <Hawkeye-X> I'd tell, but basically it's how we work. :D
[02:37] <Schuenemann> !ru | neospd
[02:37] <jimmy51_home> does it involve finding someone's unsecured wireless, joining it with a bridge, and selling access?
[02:37] <Hawkeye-X> jimmy5: what state do you live in?
[02:37] <jimmy51_home> eternal bliss
[02:38] <Hawkeye-X> jimmy51: nope, what we do is legit.
[02:38] <Hawkeye-X> !de | Hawkeye-X
[02:39] <intelikey> ubottu botspanke
[02:41] <jimmy51_home> the robot pm'd you?  that's odd
[02:41] <intelikey> jimmy51_home not if you pipe it to yourself
[02:42] <intelikey>  !something | yourself
[02:42] <jimmy51_home> oh, cool
[02:42] <jimmy51_home> !torrent | jimmy51_home
[02:43] <Schuenemann> does anybody use kdesvn? how do I copy the project files to my local harddisk?
[02:43] <jimmy51_home> ya know, i was expecting it, but it still felt like i was sent to the principle's office
[02:43] <intelikey> root root root
[02:43] <_dennister> could someone pls help me get an xp home laptop to access my working samba shares on this kubuntu samba serer?
[02:43] <intelikey> jimmy  lol
[02:44] <_dennister> getting absolutely noo help in windows channel
[02:44] <jon__> hello all
[02:44] <dev_> hi
[02:44] <jon__> glad to finally see you
[02:44] <sub[t]rnl> _dennister➜ can you ping the server from the laptop?
[02:44] <jimmy51_home> allrighty, 1.1 GB left.  hopefully it stays running and downloading until it's done.  time to finish pulling weeds and water the tomaten
[02:45] <_dennister> sub[t]rnl: yes, and can access largely-unconfigured server's apache from laptop, too
[02:45] <jon__> go for it jimmy
[02:45] <intelikey> _dennister hmm odd.   ##windows is an unofficial channel,  they usually help ya in there.
[02:45] <_dennister> that's the channel i was in, but got no help
[02:45] <dev_> i just use kubuntu
[02:46] <jon__> i just use ubuntu
[02:46] <intelikey> _dennister yeah, i'm just commenting that it's odd that they wouldn't help.
[02:46] <jon__> i like gnome
[02:46] <_dennister> in #samba someone started to help, but then was called away on concall
[02:46] <dev_> i what to know....application use like ubuntu?
[02:46]  * intelikey doesn't do windows.
[02:46] <sub[t]rnl> _dennister➜ open windows explorer, go to Tools -> Map Network Drive.  Assign it a letter and enter the server's ip/sharefolder
[02:47] <_dennister> ok, well perhaps i'll try again...i got interupted earlier with irc client timing out...
[02:47] <jon__> kubuntu is kde
[02:47] <sub[t]rnl> assuming your /etc/samba/smb.conf is setup properly, all will be good
[02:47] <jon__> ubuntu is gnome
[02:47] <intelikey> dev_ you
[02:47] <RurouniJones> Schuenemann: google for an SVN quickstart guide. You want checkout or export
[02:47] <intelikey> dev_ you'll have to be more specific
[02:47] <_dennister> sub[t]rnl: i did try that, but it can't access the server...tried with the ip address, netbios name, ...
[02:48] <Schuenemann> RurouniJones, but not the command line. If I wanted command line, I wouldn't be using kdesvn
[02:48] <RurouniJones> ...kdesvn has a checkout and export button.
[02:48] <dev_> thanks
[02:49] <intelikey> dev_ like this.     "nautilus is to gnome, what ___ is to kde"     answer konqueror
[02:49] <sub[t]rnl> _dennister➜ then your server's samba configuration is stopping it.
[02:49] <dev_> who use ubuntu for eeepc?
[02:51] <intelikey> !eeepc | dev_ there's a link that might help
[02:51] <_dennister> sub[t]rnl: but it's not stopping the w2k laptop
[02:51] <sub[t]rnl> _dennister➜ ew, umn.  check the first laptops firewall? or maybe the servers /etc/hosts.allow and hosts.deny
[02:53] <ozone> I'm having a wireless connection issue, would anyone like to help me?
[02:53] <_dennister> xphome laptop's firewall is off...doublechecked that and triple-checked it...hold on a sec while i turn the w2k laptop on
[02:53] <RurouniJones> !justask | ozone
[02:54] <RurouniJones> !dpkg | diegol
[02:54] <RurouniJones> !fixdpkg | diegol
[02:54] <dev_> i just installed it can't shutdown light
[02:54] <RurouniJones> hmmm....what is the command
[02:54] <RurouniJones> !ubottu
[02:54] <intelikey> what language in "LA" ?   zh ?
[02:54] <Red_Wraith> Hello all.
[02:55] <ozone> Sorry, I have an inspiron E1405 laptop, with a 3945ABG wireless card.  I can easily connect to my neighbors unencrypted network, but when I try to connect to my own network which is under a WEP key, KNetworkManager fails at 28%.
[02:55] <intelikey> !wep
[02:55] <intelikey> !wpa
[02:55] <diegol> thank you very much!
[02:55] <tuxwulf> ozone > Try another WEP setting
[02:55] <ozone> I should switch over to WPA some day...
[02:56] <tuxwulf> ozone > There are WEP ascii keys and 40 bit and whats the other one keys. If you do not get past this you get stuck at 28%
[02:57] <sub[t]rnl> i keep switching over to WEP :/
[02:57] <ozone> tuxwulf, what do you mean by "and whats the other one keys"?
[02:57] <sub[t]rnl> of course its using airomon and aircrack and it's not my AP, but still.
[02:57] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl why ?
[02:57] <tuxwulf> ozone > knetworkmanager prompts you to enter the WEP key, right? just above that you can choose which sort of WEP key you want it to be.
[02:58] <ozone> yes, a typical setup would use an open key correct?
[02:58] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ hehe
[02:58] <tuxwulf> ozone > There are three kind of keys and I forget the third kind of key
[02:58] <tuxwulf> ozone > WEP is notoriously insecure, but the open system key is considered ... eh... 'best'
[02:58] <sub[t]rnl> how many ivs does it take to get to the center of a WEP'sy pop?
[02:59] <sub[t]rnl> 1..2..hax
[02:59] <_dennister> well, that's just great :( the w2k laptop is giving me the blue screen of death instead of booting up...long message about bios & acpi
[03:01] <_dennister> ok, booting up ok now
[03:01] <intelikey> isn't there a rom flash for dvd burners to "liberate them?
[03:02] <RurouniJones> Some
[03:02] <tuxwulf> intelikey: from what?
[03:03] <sub[t]rnl> firmware
[03:03] <tuxwulf> ozone > How're you doing with that?
[03:03] <intelikey> tuxwulf from "DRM" of course.
[03:03] <mr---t-> dictatators
[03:03] <tuxwulf> intelikey: a moment...
[03:03] <RurouniJones> congratulations, that is hte most nemublous use of 'DRM'I hve heard yet
[03:03] <intelikey> the evil "digital restrictions management"
[03:03] <RurouniJones> nebulous even
[03:03] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[03:04] <RurouniJones> You talking about Region restrictions?
[03:04] <sub[t]rnl> i've flashed a router, never heard of a cdrom though
[03:04] <intelikey> dvd
[03:05] <RurouniJones> You cna flash DVD drives so that they are region 0 instead of one of the restricted regions
[03:05] <RurouniJones> of course some DVDs detect region 0 and refuse to play. They use RCE (Region Coding Enhanced) if I remember correctly
[03:06] <sub[t]rnl> guess some might allow raw access
[03:06] <sub[t]rnl> like to get past DVD regional protection stuff?
[03:06] <RurouniJones> yer.
[03:06] <tuxwulf> inteli > I got a weblink somewhere with firmwares...
[03:06] <tuxwulf> intelikey: But ... you may have to flash them using Windows...
[03:07] <sub[t]rnl> RurouniJones➜ right on
[03:07] <intelikey> i'm googling but google hates me.
[03:07] <BluesKaj> RurouniJones, install libdvdcss2 and kubuntu-restricted extras , but make sure yoiu have the medibuntu source repos in your sources.list
[03:07] <RurouniJones> BluesKaj: I am not doing anything
[03:07] <RurouniJones> someone else was asking about it
[03:07] <intelikey> BluesKaj tiz me.
[03:08] <intelikey> BluesKaj i'm looking for info that might make a drive "raw" accessable
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: you're not going gui-friendly on us, are you?
[03:08] <tuxwulf> inteli > But you also need to flash the firmware, that's correct. Or after 5 changes it locks to a region
[03:08] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido no   what gave you that inclination ?
[03:09] <BluesKaj> ok , my apologies
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> the other day there was a kde question, i thought, and now the dvd playback (which doesn't necessarily imply gui, i know)
[03:09] <tuxwulf> intelikey: > forum.rpc1.org    they do nto have every model DVD player's firmware  but quite a lot.
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> but you're not, which has restored my faith in humanity :)
[03:10] <intelikey> tuxwulf thank you.
[03:10] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[03:10] <tuxwulf> intelikey: good luck
[03:10] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido  :))))
[03:10] <intelikey> i have that  and making ping work without suid   to play with.
[03:11]  * intelikey considers removing the frits chip from the main board as well.
[03:12]  * mr---t- tinks then it would be on the fritz
[03:16] <tuxwulf> What's a fritz chip?
[03:16] <tuxwulf> New kind of condiment?
[03:17] <albuntu> lol
[03:17] <intelikey> tuxwulf hehhe
[03:17] <intelikey> !drm
[03:17] <intelikey> figures
[03:21] <intelikey> my LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P is on that site   this should be easy.     "or break the thing outright..."
[03:23] <intelikey> there are two,  oh no i hate choices,,,  err no i don't.  i hate not being given a choice!   so i'm good. ;/
[03:23] <tuxwulf> intelikey: Sometimes they also have the original RPC 2 firmware, which can only restore factory firmware... So only if it is RPC 1 firmware can it help you
[03:28] <happy_face> hello?
[03:29] <tuxwulf> happy_face: yes?
[03:32] <tuxwulf> Now I still do not know what a fritz chip is....
[03:32] <ikon> where do i put root priv boot scripts at?
[03:33] <ikon> rc/local?
[03:33] <sub[t]rnl> ikon➜ /etc/init.d/
[03:33] <Drk_Guy> lol
[03:33] <Drk_Guy> KDE4b2 is way cool, and stable
[03:34] <ikon> werd, thx
[03:35] <sub[t]rnl> 	sudo update-rc.d scriptname defaults	 to create the proper symlinks to run it at boot.
[03:36] <Drk_Guy> →↓←
[03:46] <Agent_bob> i just found a bug in mc
[03:46] <Agent_bob> or in something.
[03:47] <Agent_bob> i tried to copy a file to C:\*.*   and insted it put it in the pwd with a prefix on the name.
[03:47] <Agent_bob> is repetable
[03:49] <Drk_Guy> MC?
[03:49] <Agent_bob> no not MC   mc
[03:49] <Pigeon`> how can i make pidgin-libnotify work?<
[03:49] <Agent_bob> !info mc
[03:52] <Drk_Guy> lol
[03:53] <Agent_bob> something strike you funny ?
[03:56]  * BluesKaj wanders back from fireworks watch
[03:59] <Agent_bob> festive pirotechnecs ?
[04:01] <hydrogen> for some reason, even though scaling_max_speed=2000000, I can't get above 1000000
[04:01] <hydrogen> even if I set the govenor to userspace and manually echo 2000000 to scaling_set_speed
[04:02] <Agent_bob> trying to copy files to dir C:\*.* in mc produces files in the pwd with "C:*." prepended to the names    i would call that a bug,  would anyone else call it a bug <poll?>
[04:04] <sub[t]rnl> +1 bug
[04:04] <BluesKaj> yeah Agent_bob , Canada Day celebrations (141st Birthday)
[04:04] <realname-> what is command for disabling taskbar notification?i'm setting up autostart thing
[04:04] <Agent_bob> hmmm i now have a dir named ? according to ls  but rm \?  yelds a file not found error.  ;/
[04:05] <Agent_bob> ah i see what it is.    rm: cannot remove `\n': Is a directory
[04:05] <Agent_bob> wonder why ls shows it as "?"
[04:07] <Agent_bob> ls -l >>> "drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Jul 1 21:58 ?"   odd huh
[04:09] <Agent_bob> realname- i can't answer you as you wish.  but you can right click the systray and temporarly  remove it   ?
[04:12] <eric__> hello
[04:12] <eddieftw> hi eric__
[04:12] <eric__> never used irc before, but could I maybe ask a question or two?
[04:12] <Agent_bob> !ask
[04:13] <eric__> k thanks, like I said, never used irc before.  sorry if that was boneheaded
[04:13] <eddieftw> lol, everyone does it
[04:14] <Agent_bob> things that only happen one time never make an infonode in the channel bot   ;/
[04:15] <eric__> I am in Thailand, where there is no local repo.  The best for me is in Singapore.  But even then, I get really inconsistant download speeds, and timeouts allllll the time.  How do I change the timeout time for adept, so that I get a fast update/download?
[04:15] <Agent_bob> i wonder how many things ls will only show as  "?"  ???  there is \n  \t  ?  and what else ? \r maybe???
[04:15] <Agent_bob> eric__ try the au mirror
[04:16] <eric__> I will, but I really think it has to do with international bandwidth being throttled, so it wont matter.  Has been the same with all distros, and all web browsing, downloading etc.
[04:17] <eric__> if I could just change the timeout on adept, it would be the best solution IMO
[04:17] <Agent_bob> eric__ yeah if that's the case, nothing we can do about it
[04:17] <Agent_bob> eric__ let me look into the timeout question and get back to you.
[04:17] <BluesKaj> eric__, maybe apt would be better
[04:18] <Agent_bob> still times out tho
[04:18] <eric__> thanks bob.  blues - its the same in apt, synaptic, and yum.  Not an adept issue.
[04:18] <Agent_bob> ah wait. eric__ with apt you can use the -d switch and an until loop   that should solve it.
[04:18] <eric__> ?
[04:19] <Agent_bob> example.     until apt-get install -d packagename ;do sleep 10 ;done
[04:19] <eric__> oohh.  Awesome.
[04:19] <eric__> I will try that
[04:20] <eric__> i have a fresh install, so what about apt-get dist-upgrade -d do sleep 10; done  ?
[04:20] <Agent_bob> could script that easily.     echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\nuntil apt-get install -d "$@" ;do sleep 10 ;done ' > scriptname.sh ;chmod 755 scriptname.sh
[04:21] <eric__> how would you edit that to just update all updatable packages?
[04:21] <Agent_bob> eric__ yes. you can even do the upgrade with the -d    be advised that after the loop finishes you still need to apply the packages to the system   i.e. without the -d
[04:22] <Agent_bob> eric__ let me pastebin it for you.   give me a sec.
[04:22]  * BluesKaj begins to nod off....night all
[04:22] <eric__> so after the upgrade i would ctrl-c, and upgrade without the -d?
[04:24] <Agent_bob> eric__   use this.   just call it something that you can remember like "apt-get.sh" for instance.   and use it like you would apt-get          apt-get.sh install bash     or   apt-get.sh dist-upgrade       and so forth.
[04:24] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d59791101
[04:25] <Pigeon`> i want to put the files in a folder in order by type not by alphabetical (with konqueror)
[04:25] <Agent_bob> Pigeon` view sort type
[04:25] <eric__> Agent_bob, thanks so much.  That was so quick.
[04:26] <Pigeon`> maybe just me but i don't find it... lol
[04:26] <Agent_bob> eric__ welcome
[04:26] <Agent_bob> Pigeon` kde3 or kde4 ?
[04:26] <Pigeon`> hardy heron kubuntu..
[04:27] <Agent_bob> and you haven't installed kde4 on it?   correct ?
[04:27] <Pigeon`> don't think so
[04:27] <Pigeon`> i just installed kubuntu
[04:28] <Agent_bob> give me a sec.   starting a gui now.
[04:28] <Pigeon`> oh ok
[04:29] <Agent_bob> Pigeon` it's in kde3.5.2 at least     konq menu    view > sort > by type
[04:29] <Pigeon`> yeah i don't have a sort in view, oh well
[04:30] <Agent_bob> open a konsole   and type in     kwin --version
[04:30] <Pigeon`> Qt: 3.3.8b  KDE: 3.5.9  KWin: 3.0
[04:30] <Agent_bob> err umm   kwin4 --version   too
[04:31] <Pigeon`> The program 'kwin4' is currently not installed.
[04:31] <Agent_bob> ok.    i'm at a loss then.
[04:31] <Agent_bob> sorry i couldn't help you there
[04:31] <Pigeon`> well its fine :) thx
[04:31] <samuel> HI!!!!
[04:31] <Agent_bob> say sam
[04:32] <Agent_bob> Pigeon` what about kcontrol   looked in there ?
[04:32] <samuel> who is usuario?
[04:32] <samuel> Hi usuario
[04:32] <samuel> yo tambien hablo español de donde sos?
[04:33] <Agent_bob> !es
[04:33] <Agent_bob> !pt
[04:33] <samuel> ohhhh.... :(
[04:33] <Agent_bob> !en
[04:33] <samuel> OK
[04:34] <Agent_bob> guess that's what happens when an english man makes a distro           english man ?     south africa ???
[04:37] <Agent_bob> why is it i can't remember ubuntu's benifactor ?
[04:38] <eric__> Agent_bob: just checking back in to let you that your script works fine.  Exactly what I needed.  If I ever (God forbid:)) change distros, will this work on rpm based stuff too?
[04:39] <Agent_bob> eric__ no. and yes.  it will work but will have to be modified.  i.e.  apt-get to urpmi and not sure about the switchs there.   been too long and i forgot.
[04:40] <Agent_bob> eric__ it should work on any debian based distro though.
[04:40] <eric__> oh, yeah. duh.  I was thinking of like PCLOS, that uses apt also.  But of course, would have to switch apt for yum or whatever
[04:40] <eric__> oh well, no need anyway.  Thanks again, and God bless
[04:40] <Agent_bob> right     welcome.    Shalom Aleichem
[04:43] <Agent_bob> if i had a partition i would install mdk10 again just to refresh my memory on rpm/urpmi  ...
[04:45] <tuxwulf> OKay kubuntu guys this irrtates the P*SS out of me!!: "You are about to send the following files form your computer to the internet. Do you really want to continue?"... !! Just DO it already!
[04:45] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf heh. sounds like a kde/konqueror thang :)
[04:46] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf is there no "do not ask in the feuture" check box ?
[04:47] <tuxwulf> Agent_bob: Not that I saw.... Oh man oh man do I hate those idiot-questions...
[04:48] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf heh not idiot,  newB question.
[04:49] <Agent_bob> they are there for the intended autiance.  the fresh windows convert.     do try to remember that that's who "human beings" are.
[04:49] <Agent_bob> and ubuntu is "linux for 'human beings'"
[04:50] <Agent_bob> the rest of us are either penguins geeks or h4X0rz
[04:51] <dthacker> or trolls
[04:51] <Agent_bob> there is the occasional troll yes.
[04:51] <rhys> so.... why is kopete always on top?
[04:52] <Agent_bob> rhys  setup that way ?
[04:52] <rhys> right. and I can't find the option to turn it off
[04:52] <Agent_bob> rhys  the button in the upper left corner of it's window.     special window settings
[04:53] <Agent_bob> same place you set it to be always full screen and such.
[04:53] <rhys> Agent_bob: actually... no, its not. If you mean its marked as always on top via the window manager, no.
[04:53] <rhys> this is a setting within kopete
[04:54] <Agent_bob> rhys umm they changed it.
[04:55] <rhys> they changed...what?
[04:55] <tuxwulf> Agent_bob: Pardon my outburst... But I always strive to click LESS, not MORE...
[04:55] <Agent_bob> kopete
[04:56] <rhys> so...do you know how to turn off always on top?
[04:56] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf either that's a good play on the two apps "less" and "more"   or you totally lost me.
[04:56] <tuxwulf> Agent_bob: And all these confirmations, for fools or newbes, just slow down and hold up production. I wish there was just ONE button that I could switch all those unecessary confirmations OFF forever.
[04:56] <Agent_bob> oh that'
[04:57] <psilocyde> i'm having problems with 3d graphics on my toshiba satellite a105-s4004. it uses the intel GMA  950 onboard chip. Opengl apps are all glitchy and and and eventualy crash.
[04:57] <tuxwulf> Agent_bob: I have been called 'elitist'. Well, linux is ALSO about freedom, if I understood correctly. Well then, I have the freedom to be an 'elitist'.
[04:57] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf hmm that's a thought.    maybe mention it to a kde devel   caugh*jucato*caugh
[04:57] <rhys> tuxwulf: use arch. use slackware. then call yourself an elitist
[04:58] <Agent_bob> rhys use debian or gentoo and everyone else will
[04:58] <tuxwulf> Those confirmations is why I so grossly dislike Windows... can never just move any amount of data without a billion or so confirmations, "Do you really want to delete...?"...
[04:58] <rhys> heh. use gentoo and we will call you stupid
[04:58] <tuxwulf> rhys: *I* do not call myself an elitist, but people have called me that.
[04:59] <rhys> oh. I do. and I'm about 3 minutes from nuking kubuntu and going back to arch
[04:59] <Agent_bob> rhys sudo apt-get install gentoo      then you can use it too  :)
[04:59] <rhys> i can't turn off "always on top" in kopete... no wonder i hate guis
[05:00] <Agent_bob> rhys but no i don't know where the setting for that went   sorry
[05:00] <tuxwulf> ... well now, why can't *I* have the best of both? Kubuntu WITHOUT those unnecessary questions...
[05:00] <psilocyde> am i asking my question wrong?
[05:00] <rhys> tux. arch. build it yourself.
[05:00] <rhys> :)
[05:00] <tuxwulf> .. yeah ... right... seems to be the only way...
[05:00] <rhys> exactly. all OS's suck. the ones you build suck a little less
[05:00] <rhys> you will still hate it
[05:00] <Agent_bob> psilocyde prolly not.
[05:01] <Agent_bob> !ati
[05:01] <rhys> but a be able to live with it
[05:01] <Agent_bob> psilocyde i don't know about i950  they aren't mentioned here much.
[05:02] <psilocyde> seems to be a fairl common video chip in laptops
[05:02] <Agent_bob> rhys i say the same thing in these word "default is only the starting point on the long road to right (or tolerable in some cases)"
[05:03] <rhys> l1fe1$futur3
[05:03] <rhys> aw bloody fucking hell
[05:03] <tuxwulf> One of the reasons I started with kubuntu was because of language support... \
[05:03] <psilocyde> i have had problems from the start with the wrong display resolution
[05:03] <Agent_bob> psilocyde my tosheba is all ati and don't ask my openion on ati atm.
[05:03] <tuxwulf> Which now in 8.04 also has disappeared... so yes, it seems the right time to look for something more useful
[05:03] <rhys> wellp. off i go to change like 5 passwords
[05:03] <psilocyde> i see
[05:04] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf what language ?
[05:04] <psilocyde> im about to chuck ubuntu for another distro if i cant get this resolved soon
[05:05] <tuxwulf> Kubuntu just WORKS eh ... not with all those confirmations it sure doesn't...
[05:05] <tuxwulf> Agent > I need east Asian languages. Used to be in regional settings, gone now.
[05:05] <psilocyde> ive had tones of problems ever since breezy
[05:05] <tmbg_> psilocyde, another distro probably isn't going to help, honestly
[05:05] <tuxwulf> ... Had too much coffee I guess. Sorry guys.
[05:05] <tmbg_> but have at it
[05:06] <psilocyde> why do you say that tmbg?
[05:06] <Agent_bob> dthacker like that ^   ?
[05:07] <dthacker> hehe
[05:07] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:07] <tmbg_> because it's an old integrated mobile graphics chip. it's not likely to be supported well in X
[05:07] <Agent_bob> at least we can vent in here and not be banned for three years like i was in #ubuntu
[05:07] <tmbg_> not really ubuntu's fault.
[05:08] <psilocyde> well it worked in past ubuntu versions
[05:08] <tmbg_> submit a bug, or run those.
[05:08] <Agent_bob> psilocyde check your xorg.conf   and compair to older versions      if you can
[05:09] <psilocyde> thanks bob
[05:09] <tmbg_> and while you're at it, include your xorg.conf in your bug report
[05:09] <psilocyde> ill do that
[05:09] <tmbg_> awesome
[05:10] <Agent_bob> psilocyde it also should be possable to use an oldef version of xorg if that alone fixes your problem
[05:10] <Agent_bob> !worksforme
[05:10] <Agent_bob> ^ "The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability." ^
[05:11] <psilocyde> ya i get it
[05:12] <mr---t-> psilocyde maybe look here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/204762
[05:13] <Agent_bob> Fix committed ?    does that mean there is already a patch ?
[05:14] <mr---t-> theres a patch in the post^
[05:14] <tuxwulf> Yeah I feel vented.
[05:14] <tuxwulf> Thanks.
[05:14] <Agent_bob> btw,  intel gma 950 is not "old"
[05:14] <Agent_bob> my riva128 is old   but  gma950 is not old
[05:15] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf :)
[05:15] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf :)
[05:17] <Agent_bob> oh my     agenciachoele: #kubuntu (K-lined
[05:18] <tmbg_> meh, it's old.
[05:18] <tmbg_> older than geforce 8800 is old. :P
[05:19] <Agent_bob> i didn't say geforce 8*** was old either ;/
[05:20] <ghotiboy1> does the synaptic "Force version" generally work?
[05:20] <Agent_bob> yeah
[05:20] <Agent_bob> ghotiboy1 why are you needing/wanting to use that ?
[05:20] <ghotiboy1> good...i upgraded mythfrontend and that was not such a great idea since i didn't upgrade the backend
[05:21] <ghotiboy1> and don't want to
[05:21] <Agent_bob> oh   yeah.
[05:21] <Agent_bob> enough said.
[05:29] <Agent_bob> if linux had know what he was about to start, he would have deleted his first code rather than posting it on the web
[05:29] <Agent_bob> linus
[05:29] <Agent_bob> type.
[05:29] <Agent_bob> typo
[05:29] <Agent_bob> typo
[05:30] <Agent_bob> typography mismatch.
[05:31] <Agent_bob> !enter | Agent_bob
[05:31] <Agent_bob> !ot | Agent_bob
[05:31] <Agent_bob> |botabuse | Agent_bob
[05:37] <vicki> aroo
[05:38] <psilocyde> how do i apply this -->  https://edge.launchpad.net/~timg-tpi/+archive
[05:38] <ghotiboy1> ok, so apparently i can't install the old version of mythtv...where could i find the packages?  sorry about the newb question...
[05:39] <ghotiboy1> using hardy
[05:39] <ghotiboy1> want mythtv .20
[05:45] <Agent_bob> !packages
[05:45] <Agent_bob> see the link       ^
[05:46] <eric__> Agent_bob, is there a way to update with delta packages?
[05:46] <eric__> :)
[05:48] <ghotiboy1> so, Agent_bob...if I can't find mythtv .20 at that link, am i screwed?
[05:49] <ghotiboy1> or can i use a gutsy package?
[05:50] <Agent_bob> ghotiboy1 you can try a gutsy package     worst case senario you end up having to purge mythtv and clean installing it from standard repos.
[05:50] <ghotiboy1> ok
[05:50] <Agent_bob> eric__ delta pcakages ?
[05:51] <ghotiboy1> easy way to add gutsy repos to hardy without screwage?
[05:51] <Agent_bob> no.
[05:51] <eric__> no dice?  you know, like updates that only include the changes in the existing package, not the whole thing
[05:51] <Agent_bob> easy way is grab the gutsy package from the site and   dpkg -i it.
[05:52] <Agent_bob> eric__ oh,  not that i know of,  but i'm  not an expert there.
[05:52] <Hawkeye-X> meh.
[05:52] <ghotiboy1> Agent_bob...thanks...
[05:52] <Agent_bob> http://packages.ubuntu.com ghotiboy1  has several releases
[05:53] <Agent_bob> welcome
[05:53] <eric__> no biggie.  used to help back when I used Fedora
[05:54] <Agent_bob> eric__ you could ask in #ubuntu seeing that packages are common to all *ubuntu releases
[05:54] <eduardo> helo
[05:55] <Agent_bob> eduardo
[05:55] <eric__> yeah.  thanks Agent_bob.  The script works, I'm just not patient enough, even with that :).
[05:56] <Agent_bob> eric__ heh. yeah    i'm on dialup so to update i start the process and go to bed.
[05:56] <Agent_bob> and three days later i'm all up to date    :)))
[05:58] <Agent_bob> eric__ if you have the resorces, you might want to consider building a local mirror for your neigbours.   just a thought, seeing the need for one there.
[05:59] <Agent_bob> perhaps consulting with a local "edu"
[06:00] <Agent_bob> some schools keep local mirrors for their students
[06:00] <Agent_bob> that is both for and by in some cases
[06:00] <_dennister> ok, back again, still trying to get the xphome laptop onto the samba server's network...and getting extremely frustrated to boot
[06:01] <eric__> All I need is an extra box and a good connection, right? Agent_bob
[06:01] <Agent_bob> zifome ?     oh X P home   lol
[06:01] <eric__> small town, so the schools wouldn't do jack
[06:01] <Agent_bob> eric__ that's about it.
[06:01] <eric__> no universities nearby
[06:01] <eric__> hmmmmmmm.
[06:02] <eric__> I actually like that idea
[06:02] <reese> i'm using kde4 and kdesu or kdesudo commands result in "command not found"
[06:03] <reese> ideas?
[06:03] <Agent_bob> reese open a konsole and put in:  kdes<tab_key>
[06:03] <Agent_bob> see what tab completion comes up with
[06:04] <reese> kdesktop, kdesu kdesud kdesudo, etc
[06:05] <Agent_bob> reese ok   then in that konsole, enter the command you were trying to run.   i.e. something like: kdesu konqueror
[06:05] <reese> it recognizes kdesu and kdesudo because it will popup with a window to enter a password
[06:06] <reese> after the password is entered, another popup says "command not found!" and in the terminal it says "sudo: konqueror: command not found"
[06:06] <Agent_bob> reese the "command not found" is what i'm looking for.   show me the error message that the konsole has
[06:07] <reese> sudo: konqueror: command not found
[06:07] <Agent_bob> sudo ?    you didn't type "sudo konqueror" did you ?
[06:07] <Agent_bob> don't do that.
[06:07] <reese> it was kdesu
[06:07] <Agent_bob> ok
[06:08] <reese> when i do it with kdesudo, there is no feedback in the konsole
[06:08] <reese> but still the popup error
[06:08] <Agent_bob> ok do this in that konsole;  kdesu set | grep PATH
[06:09] <reese> same command not found error
[06:09] <Agent_bob> reese ok.  hmmm   sudo echo boo
[06:09] <reese> boo
[06:09] <Agent_bob> does it say "boo" back at you or not ?
[06:10] <Agent_bob> ok.
[06:10] <Agent_bob> sudo kdesu /usr/bin/konsole
[06:11] <reese> No protocol specified /kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0
[06:11] <eric__> Agent_bob a quick check (my old friend google coupled with new friend irc) yields the "debdelta" package.  Might speed things up a bit for you too?
[06:11] <Agent_bob> reese ok that's normal.
[06:11] <Agent_bob> eric__ indeed.
[06:12] <Agent_bob> reese now try without the preceeding sudo
[06:12] <reese> oops, that was when i was still in 'sudo su'
[06:12] <reese> when i did it from my account it opened a new root terminal
[06:12] <Agent_bob> reese ok.  and without the sudo ?
[06:12] <reese> no
[06:13] <reese> sudo kdesu /usr/bin/konsole
[06:13] <Agent_bob> yes now without the sudo
[06:13] <reese> same
[06:14] <Agent_bob> same as in opens a root konsole ?
[06:14] <reese> yes
[06:14] <Agent_bob> ok.
[06:14] <Agent_bob> so   kdesu/kdesudo is somehow breaking root's PATH variable.
[06:15] <reese> possibly
[06:15] <Agent_bob> reese i'm not sure why tho.    ask in #kubuntu-kde4   and see if it's a known issue
[06:15] <Agent_bob> !kde4
[06:15] <reese> how do i change channels?
[06:16] <Agent_bob> /join #new-chan
[06:16] <reese> ok, i'll try that
[06:18] <Agent_bob> reese you can also test adding a root path to /etc/profile   and see if that fixes it.    sudo nano /etc/profile      add this line without the single quotes '[ 0 = $UID ] && PATH="/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin"
[06:19] <Agent_bob> '
[06:19] <reese> it already has those paths
[06:19] <Agent_bob> but for whom
[06:19] <reese> me and root
[06:19] <Agent_bob> ok.
[06:21] <reese> i found a launchpad bug report for it, but it seems unresolved
[06:21] <Agent_bob> could check root's home runtime files too.   they sometimes set them up with special tweeks
[06:21] <reese> which are those?
[06:22] <Agent_bob> reese  /root/.bash_bashrc  and /root/.profile
[06:22] <Agent_bob> assuming /root/  which is default.
[06:22] <Agent_bob> you'll have to sudo nano them
[06:22] <reese> so just scan through and look for something relevant?
[06:22] <Agent_bob> PATH settings yes
[06:23] <Agent_bob> could just   sudo grep -HiRe PATH /root
[06:23] <Agent_bob> see what it digs up
[06:23] <reese> there is no mention of path
[06:24] <Agent_bob> ok.
[06:24] <Agent_bob> was really just looking for a glitch like an accidental    PATH=''    or something.
[06:25] <Agent_bob> so whats the url for that bug report ?
[06:26] <tom_> hi
[06:27] <reese> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo-kde4/+bug/191264
[06:27] <tom_> i have a pppoe connection, will it automatically reconnect if it disconnects?
[06:27] <tom_> what can i do about it if not?
[06:28] <Agent_bob> reese ah ha.  path /usr/lib/kde4/bin     at it to your /etc/profile and test
[06:28] <reese> how do you add it again?
[06:29] <Agent_bob> reese you can also test adding a root path to /etc/profile   and see if that fixes it.    sudo nano /etc/profile      add this line without the single quotes '[ 0 = $UID ] && PATH="/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/lib/kde4/bin"'
[06:30] <Agent_bob> i would just add the usr/lib/kde4/bin to both paths
[06:31] <realname-> how can i put shortcut of my konqueror profile on the desktop?
[06:31] <reese> do i have to restart anything?
[06:31] <Agent_bob> reese just logout
[06:31] <Agent_bob> and back in
[06:31] <Agent_bob> realname- drag-n-drop ?
[06:32] <realname-> how is that/
[06:32] <Agent_bob> tom_ sorry not ignoring you.  just don't know.
[06:32] <arrrghhh> so on my friend's desktop i've tried to install ubuntu/kubuntu with wubi, livecd, and i have a flash drive that boots kubuntu and they all get stuck at the same place and eventually kick out to a initframs prompt.  it just stops accessing whatever drive it was booting from and dies...
[06:32] <tom_> i remember i once edited a .conf file...
[06:32] <tom_> i just don't seem to find it now
[06:32] <arrrghhh> i don't get why the flash drive wouldn't boot.... maybe i should try knoppix?  i don't know.
[06:32] <Agent_bob> realname- from the kmenu ?
[06:33] <Agent_bob> arrrghhh um bios setting ?
[06:33] <realname-> i mean ive created a profile in konqueror and customized it..so everytime if i wanna be there i had to fire up konqueror>setting>load view profile>myprofile.
[06:33] <realname-> i wanna put myprofile on desktop as shortcut
[06:34] <arrrghhh> Agent_bob, what kind of bios setting?  it always makes it to the boot menu, and the kubuntu loading bar comes up but it loads maybe 15% of the bar and just dies.
[06:34] <Agent_bob> realname- does it not show in konq progiles in the kmenu ?
[06:34] <realname-> nope..
[06:34] <realname-> konq profiles?
[06:34] <Agent_bob> arrrghhh oh  not bios then.
[06:34] <realname-> let me check
[06:34] <tmbg_> arrrghhh, try the memory or media tests?
[06:34] <arrrghhh> the bar bounces back and forth for a while, then starts loading and just stops.
[06:35] <arrrghhh> tmbg_, both are fine.  and i've used 5 different discs, and the flash drive.  all of which work perfect on my laptop
[06:35] <arrrghhh> i've only tried ubuntu or kubuntu tho, and i was hoping wubi or at least the livecd would work so i could show it to him
[06:35] <tmbg_> try the text mode and see if you get a more descriptive error
[06:36] <Agent_bob> if the live CD wont work, there is probably some unsupported hardware there.   or at least hardware that will require special attention
[06:36] <arrrghhh> tmbg_, the alternate cd?  i'm just worried about borking his system completely.  his windows install is so screwed up but full of all his stuff and games etc...
[06:36] <sigma_12> what is the phpmyadmin substitute for postgresql?
[06:37] <arrrghhh> i wonder if it's something on the mobo cuz it's an nvidia video card... i dunno about the hardware much, it's an hp desktop
[06:37] <tmbg_> there should be a text mode on the standard disc. maybe you don't make it far enough to choose that though
[06:37] <tom_> Agent_bob: nano /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider  and make sure "persist" is uncommented (or add it if it's not there)
[06:37] <Agent_bob> arrrghhh make backups first.    there is no substitute for backups
[06:37]  * tom_ off to work
[06:38] <tmbg_> I just installed w/ an nvidia card, was no big deal.
[06:38] <arrrghhh> Agent_bob, yea, no body takes backups.  i tell him to, and he has no idea what he needs backed up.
[06:38] <reese> is the red text just to me?
[06:38] <arrrghhh> reese, yes
[06:38] <reese> how do you do it?
[06:39] <arrrghhh> when your name is used
[06:39] <Agent_bob> reese probably your irc client keying on your name.
[06:39] <arrrghhh> just type part of someones names and tab thru them like in the terminal
[06:40] <Agent_bob> !tab
[06:40] <reese> Agent_bob: now instead of "command not found" it has "no protocol specified \ kdesu cannot connect to X server :0"
[06:40] <Agent_bob> !cli
[06:40] <reese> like that?
[06:40] <arrrghhh> so is there some way i can figure out what it's dying on with the flash drive boot ?  i don't want to burn an alternate cd...
[06:40] <Agent_bob> reese you are in a root konsole ?
[06:41] <reese> Agent_bob: yes, ok, retried it, same error as before
[06:41] <Agent_bob> ok.   give me a sec
[06:42] <word> what is xine-lib called in kubuntu?
[06:42] <sigma_12> word: for playing divx etc?
[06:43] <word> sigma_12: :-/ i'm trying to upgrade to 1.1.12 because it fixes an issue where an audio doesn't play in a .mkv file with ogg vorbis audio...and i'm trying to figure out what package i need to replace :-/
[06:43] <n3kl> Can someone please tell me why wpa_supplicant will connect to the proper network, but will not fork dhclient?
[06:44] <Agent_bob> reese   ummm /etc/login.defs:ENV_PATH     and /etc/environment:PATH    are the only other things that i can think of to try.
[06:44] <Agent_bob> reese you can    sudo nano  reese   ummm /etc/login.defs:ENV_PATH     and
[06:44] <reese> so add the same command to those files?
[06:44] <Agent_bob> crap
[06:45] <sigma_12> word: open up adept and search for xine
[06:45] <Agent_bob> you can     sudo nano /etc/environment ;sudo nano /etc/login.defs      and set them.
[06:45] <Agent_bob> sorry for the bad paste there   ^
[06:46] <word> sigma_12: and..? there's a bunch of libxine1-*insert app here* but there doesn't seem to be a specific package that is xine-lib...
[06:47] <Agent_bob> reese edit them   and find the var.  ENV_PATH in /etc/login.defs   and add  :/usr/lib/kde4/bin   to the end of it.   and in the environment file   add the same to the   PATH  var
[06:47] <sigma_12> hmmm is there not one just called libxine1?
[06:48] <Agent_bob>  /etc/login.defs  ENV_PATH    'and'    /etc/environment  PATH
[06:48] <reese> in the login defs, add it do the 'env_supath' line or 'env_path'?
[06:48] <Agent_bob> !find libxine1
[06:48] <Agent_bob> reese both
[06:49] <Agent_bob> reese youre looking for a cure.   try them all keep what works.   adding path should not hurt
[06:49] <Agent_bob> sigma_12 see the bot   ^
[06:50] <reese> k. do you want to know the results when i log back in?
[06:50] <Agent_bob> reese if it fixes it  :)
[06:50] <Agent_bob> if not i'll hide.
[06:50] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:50] <reese> lol, k
[06:51] <purpleposeidon> darn, intelikey isn't on. :/
[06:51] <Agent_bob> reese just don't forget the colen between paths
[06:51] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon what can i do you for ?
[06:51] <purpleposeidon> No idea.
[06:52] <purpleposeidon> I'm on a live CD, the IDE controllers are dying. I think.
[06:52] <purpleposeidon> At least, I *think* it's the motherboard's fault.
[06:52] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon oh that.   yeah and you wanted to throw rocks at intelikey ?
[06:52] <purpleposeidon> Agent_bob: Well, I was talking to him earlier.
[06:53]  * Agent_bob takes the opertunity to observe human behaviour.
[06:53] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon and ?
[06:53] <purpleposeidon> And, well, I want to know if I'm right. :P
[06:53] <purpleposeidon> And I'd like to know if there's a way to fix it besides replacing the motherboard.
[06:54] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon so it's not a public stoning or anything then...
[06:54] <Agent_bob> <<< intelikey
[06:54] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:54] <purpleposeidon> Agent_bob: You kid! XD
[06:54] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon no.
[06:54] <purpleposeidon> Ah yes, I recognize you by the fact that you seem to be logged in as root and you are too lame to read BitchX.doc. :P
[06:55] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon and if the ide bus is making a new bus stop  then a mobo replacement is the only fix short of replacing on bord componants.
[06:55] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon yeah that's me.
[06:55] <purpleposeidon> Yeah. I don't really want to solder... :P
[06:55] <Agent_bob> agreed.
[06:55] <purpleposeidon> Right, so hopefully a replacement for this old motherboard should be cheap. What command should I use to figure out what kind of mobo it is?
[06:55] <Agent_bob> specially with only a minimal chance of actually fising it.
[06:56] <purpleposeidon> Agent_bob: And I have a VERY AMUSING log file for you to look at ;)
[06:56] <Agent_bob> fising ?
[06:56] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon ok.   let me see if reese is fised or not
[06:56]  * Agent_bob now spells fix with an s.
[06:57] <reese> no fix, but i have a more different question, unrelated
[06:57] <Agent_bob> reese shoot
[06:57] <Agent_bob> as to the bug.  i'm out of wild cards.
[06:57] <reese> i have a script that i want to run which requires root permissions for one of the commands, but i want to execute it as a normal user
[06:58] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon you going to pastebin the log ?
[06:58] <n3kl> It seems that there is a bug with wpa an the atheros wireless drivers.
[06:58] <reese> how would i do that?
[06:58] <Agent_bob> reese you can use sudo within the script
[06:58] <reese> but when i do, it makes me enter the password in the konsole
[06:59] <Agent_bob> reese you are not asking me how to make the script suid are you ?   cause that's a bad idea.     you can edit the sudoers file to allow nopasswd on that one command
[06:59] <Uplink> any cd burner for kubuntu?
[06:59] <purpleposeidon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24403/
[06:59] <Agent_bob> Uplink k3b
[06:59] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon looking
[06:59] <reese> i'll try that
[06:59] <purpleposeidon> Unfortunatly, I couldn't get to dmesg, but I was able to get to syslog...
[07:00] <Uplink> Agent_bob, is k3b installed on kubuntu by default?
[07:00] <purpleposeidon> Agent_bob: It's mostly for your amusement. :P
[07:00] <reese> i don't know how though
[07:01] <Agent_bob> reese note that if you hose the sudoers file you will have to use special means to access it to fix it.   so get a root shell to work on it from and don't close it until you are sure it works correctly.
[07:01] <purpleposeidon> reese: that goes for editing group files too. :P
[07:02] <Agent_bob> reese the how is simple.     ALL  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:command exactly as it is in the script
[07:02] <Agent_bob> reese   that line   adjusted accordingly to your script will do it.   then you can  have the script sudo the command without asking for permission.
[07:03] <reese> the command in the sudoers file, is it including the arguments?
[07:04] <Agent_bob> if your script needs to call   "sudo mount /dev/blah /boo"   you setup sudoers with   " ALL  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:mount /dev/blah /boo "
[07:04] <purpleposeidon> Agent_bob: Do you not think the fact that it ends with a trail of 0's amusing?
[07:04] <Agent_bob> that's    ctrl+at
[07:05] <reese> and what is the bad idea you were talking about, and why is it bad
[07:05] <Agent_bob> purpleposeidon if the disks are good in other boxen  pull them off that mobo before you kill them.
[07:06] <purpleposeidon> Agent_bob: Sounds good.
[07:07] <Agent_bob> reese if you messup the sudoers  you can do one of two things.    give the world root access to your box   or  lock your self out of your own box   the later is far less of a problem than the first,    if the second happens we have master keys.. :)  if the first happens  how will you know until it's too late ?     there are ways to test though.
[07:08] <Agent_bob> reese but what i was saying is a bad idea, is making suid scripts.    scripts that any user runs and it does things as root...  that's not a good way to go imo.
[07:09] <Agent_bob> the properly setup sudoers is the way to go.
[07:09] <reese> for the command i am entering in that file, is it supposed to have the arguments, and variables?
[07:09] <Agent_bob> yes
[07:09] <Agent_bob> unless you want people to be able to use the command anyway they want.
[07:09] <reese> then what?
[07:10] <Agent_bob> then ?   then they may own your box.
[07:10] <reese> well, what would you do in that case, i mean?
[07:11] <Agent_bob> setup sudoers as per my example.   i don't normally advise things i would not do
[07:11] <reese> k
[07:11] <Agent_bob> out of curiosity what command are you working with ?
[07:12] <Agent_bob> the sudo command in the script i mean ?
[07:12] <reese> kill -9
[07:12] <Agent_bob> k
[07:12] <reese> jk
[07:12] <Agent_bob> well kill is ok   if you set the args correctly   but you don't want people to be able to    sudo kill -9 -1
[07:13] <Agent_bob> notice wildcards are acceptable in sudoers too.
[07:14]  * Agent_bob waits for reese to reboot from testing kill -9 -1 as root...
[07:14] <Agent_bob> :)
[07:15] <Agent_bob> some things you just have to learn the hard way, dog gone it.
[07:15] <reese> isn't 1 init?
[07:15] <Agent_bob> not 1   -1
[07:15] <Agent_bob> you can't kill init
[07:15] <Agent_bob> and yes 1 is init
[07:16] <Agent_bob> you can kill -1   and it translates to all that can be killed by that user.   i.e. everything that will die for root
[07:17] <Agent_bob> leaves init and the kernel threads   nothing more.
[07:17] <Agent_bob> of course init then spawns getty for a login prompt    but heh it's console time :)))
[07:18] <Agent_bob> or should i say   "welcome to my world"
[07:18] <reese> and how do you make a file executable with chmod?
[07:18] <Agent_bob> that script ?
[07:18] <reese> what do all the numbers mean?
[07:18] <reese> yeah
[07:19] <Agent_bob> first make root own it.   chown root:root script.name
[07:19] <dwidmann> reese: man chmod should be able to best answer that question.
[07:19] <Agent_bob> then change the perms.    chmod 755 script.name
[07:19] <Agent_bob> then move it to some place like /usr/local/bin   so everyone can use it.
[07:20] <Agent_bob> sudo mv script.name /usr/local/bin
[07:22] <Agent_bob> now the numbers are octal translation of the three bit binary codes for each perm.    111 = 7    the ones are each of   rwx   so 7 is   rwx   5 is  r-x   and 5 is  r-x   the three sets of perms apply to   owner (now root)   group   and  other   or world as some say.
[07:23] <Agent_bob> thus  755 will make permission of  rwxr-xr-x
[07:24] <Agent_bob> the next digit in that octal is for sticky guid and suid   normally you don't mess with them.  so basicly  0755
[07:25] <reese> sticky guid and suid?
[07:26] <Agent_bob> yeah well, i reversed ordered those. sorry.   suid sgid sticky    1755   will render rwxr-xr-t
[07:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> help
[07:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> i just got back i had to reinstall windows and then reinstall ubuntu
[07:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> anyway i know the thing can be done as someone else had helped me the first time around
[07:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> i am on a very very very old version of kubuntu that hs no repositories
[07:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i need to open this file with a lot of ## and eras4e everythign and paste something new
[07:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> in order for me to have access to the new packages
[07:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> to load kde and xfce
[07:27] <dwidmann> That sounds lame .... repositories are quite possibly ubuntu's greatest strength
[07:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i don-t know how to do that
[07:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> i am on 5.10 ubuntu
[07:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> breezy i think it-s called or whatever
[07:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i need to upgrade all that
[07:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i remember i had to go to something called gedit or something like that
[07:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> and then he pasted a line htat i had to paste in the file and save
[07:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> and then i was able to get xubuntu and kubuntu
[07:28] <dwidmann> One sec, I'll copy+ paste you a usable /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:30] <dwidmann> CostaRicanQuaker: replace your /etc/apt/sources.list with this: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3105ef44 -- then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:30] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker edit /etc/apt/sources.list
 intelikey: seems like substitute "old-releases.ubuntu.com" for "archive.ubuntu.com"
[07:30] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker    ^
[07:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[07:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> dwidmann
[07:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> where do i paste that_
 you see lines like   deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main universe multiverse restricted
 deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main universe multiverse restricted
[07:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> when you say replace you mean i have to
[07:32] <Agent_bob> blank the file and put that line.  that's what you did yestergo
[07:32] <dwidmann> CostaRicanQuaker: yeah, just use that file your /etc/apt/source.list file and you should be good to go
[07:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> where is that thing.../etc/apt/source.list
[07:32] <dwidmann> **sources
[07:33] <Agent_bob> dwidmann  you see the line he needs   ^   right.
[07:33] <liamadmin> hello
[07:33] <dwidmann> CostaRicanQuaker: /etc/apt/sources.list is a file ... open it with a text editor of your choice .... probably kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list or gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:33] <Agent_bob> liamadmin
[07:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i open it from here_
[07:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> ?
[07:34] <dwidmann> CostaRicanQuaker: hit alt+f2
[07:34] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker yes.    /exec gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:35] <dwidmann> or ... that works too
[07:35] <dwidmann> maybe
[07:35] <Agent_bob> it does.
[07:35] <Agent_bob> he did it yestergo
[07:35] <dwidmann> might need the full path on the gksu to make it work
[07:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> it says the application wants to store a pssword btu there-s no default keyring
[07:36] <Agent_bob> ok and ?
[07:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> it said wrong password
[07:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> wth
[07:36] <liamadmin> hey not sure if this is right room but here goes ....installed kde desktop on ubuntu,,,and the Krfb desktop sharing application keep crahing when i Logg off ...Any one else have this problem ....or Know anything about it ...Thanks
[07:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok i opened terminal
[07:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> sebastian@sebastian:~$ /exec gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> bash: /exec: No such file or directory
[07:37] <dwidmann> CostaRicanQuaker: take off the exec thing if you're going to use it in a terminal
[07:37] <Agent_bob> correct.  you don't use /exec except in the irc client
[07:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean i typed it in the terminal
[07:38] <Agent_bob> you don't use /exec except in the irc client
[07:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i type the same minus exec_
[07:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> ?
[07:38] <dwidmann> sure
[07:39] <Agent_bob> /exec tells the irc client that what follows is not just text but to use a shell and execute it.
[07:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> sebastian@sebastian:~$ /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[07:39] <dwidmann> gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:39] <jussi01> CostaRicanQuaker: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:39] <jussi01> dwidmann: kubuntu remember...
[07:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok great, so now i just deleted all those lines
[07:40] <Agent_bob> jussi01 glad you could join us..    oh and he has breezy "ubuntu" not "kubuntu"
[07:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> and paste this http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3105ef44
[07:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> right?
[07:40] <dwidmann> CostaRicanQuaker: `then paste in the thing from the link above
[07:40] <dwidmann> right
 deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main universe multiverse restricted
[07:41] <Agent_bob> from yestergo when it worked.  ^
[07:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> um
[07:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> its not letting me erase for some reaso
[07:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> weird
[07:41] <jussi01> Agent_bob: huh? someone is running brezzy ubuntu and asking for help in #kubuntu o.O
[07:41] <Agent_bob> i pulled that streight out of the log of CostaRicanQuaker and intelikey yestergo
[07:42] <Agent_bob> jussi01 yes CostaRicanQuaker is.    it worked the last time he tried it :)))
[07:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> Agent_bob
[07:42] <dwidmann> jussio1: doesn't that make you feel loved? people come here instead :)
[07:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> why is it not letting me erase the stuff?
[07:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[07:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> no offense
[07:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> but the lads at ubuntu
[07:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> are a buncha pricks
[07:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> sometimes
[07:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> erm...i mean, i tried erasing those lines but they won-t get erased for some reason
[07:43] <Agent_bob> jussi01 he came in here because no one in #ubuntu would help him with it.  the channel was guiet so intelikey helped him.    but he has "reloaded" sense then.
[07:43] <Agent_bob> !enter | CostaRicanQuaker
[07:44] <jussi01> CostaRicanQuaker: Please, no matter what happened in #ubuntu, do not use that kind of languge
[07:44] <Agent_bob> ummm nano may require you to "backspace" through them.
[07:44] <RoughriderUT> Is anybody familiar with macbook sound issues?
[07:44] <Agent_bob> what language ?
[07:44]  * Agent_bob missed something.
[07:45] <Agent_bob> RoughriderUT not i
[07:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> &me finished backspacing
[07:45] <jussi01> CostaRicanQuaker: nano isnt like a gui editor, use arrow keys and go to each line, press ctrl+k
[07:45] <jussi01> oh :)
[07:46] <jussi01> RoughriderUT: why dont you say your problem and we can try help?
[07:46]  * CostaRicanQuaker pastes
[07:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> hmmm how do i save this?
[07:46] <Agent_bob> ^x
[07:46] <Agent_bob> ctrl+X
[07:47] <Agent_bob> it will as do you want to save
[07:47] <Agent_bob> y
[07:47]  * dwidmann would participate, but he's a vim person
[07:47] <jussi01> just press enter when it asks the file name
[07:47] <Jucato> :q! dwidmann
[07:47] <Agent_bob> :wq!
[07:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> it says filename to write sources list
[07:47] <dwidmann> ZZ
[07:47] <Agent_bob> but who is counting
[07:47] <Jucato> (no, I don't want to save :P)
[07:47] <jussi01> CostaRicanQuaker: enter!
[07:48] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: press Enter
[07:48] <Agent_bob> Jucato !
[07:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> back to the command
[07:48] <Jucato> Agent_bob!
[07:48] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker sudo apt-get update
[07:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> now how do i get the newpackages?
[07:49] <Agent_bob> Jucato does this look familear ?
[07:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> sebastian@sebastian:~$ sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> Password:
[07:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> sebastian@sebastian:~$ sudo apt-get update
[07:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> E: Type '1.' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:49] <dwidmann> CostaRicanQuaker: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:49] <Agent_bob> you have no # in front of it.
[07:49] <Agent_bob> dwidmann he's not ready.
[07:50] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: indeed .. but where di that #1 come from ...
[07:50] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker edit it again and put the # in front of the first line.
[07:50] <Agent_bob> it's the identifier   #  /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:50] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: did he somehow copy+paste the line numbers with?
[07:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[07:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> bummer
[07:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i do it otherwise?
[07:51] <Agent_bob> probably.   used your pastebin rather than my line in here.
[07:51] <Agent_bob> @ dwidmann
[07:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> so what do i paste instead?
[07:51] <Agent_bob> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main universe multiverse restricted
[07:51] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: probably .. I figure an upgrade to dapper would probably be the way to go anyway wouldn't it, and from there an upgrade straight to hardy?
[07:52] <dwidmann> Agent_bob: unless such an old release is ... desirable ...
[07:52] <Agent_bob> dwidmann yeah.   but.  i'm going off of what he did last time.  he wanted xubuntu-desktop first thing.   and then do what ever from within it... so i told him how.
[07:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> Agent bob i can-t find breezy main universe multiverse restricted
[07:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> which line?
[07:53] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker that can be the "only" line in that file.     don't make it harder than it it.
[07:53] <Agent_bob> is
[07:53] <dwidmann> CostaRicanQuaker: Agent_bob wants you to wipe the file clean again, and paste his line there, so you can install xubuntu first before upgrading
[07:54] <dwidmann> as per your original plan?
[07:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main universe multiverse restricted ?
[07:54] <Agent_bob> yes
[07:54] <Agent_bob> unless you want to upgrade first.
[07:55] <Agent_bob> then add xubuntu     "not what you specified last time"
[07:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[07:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> nack to the command
[07:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> back*
[07:55] <Agent_bob> ok    sudo apt-get update
[07:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> is this going to upgrade to the latest ubuntu?
[07:56] <Agent_bob> no.
[07:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i do that though?
[07:56] <Agent_bob> it's going to make packages avalable
[07:56] <Agent_bob> yes
[07:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> how?
[07:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> it-s already done
[07:56] <Agent_bob> you want to add xubuntu or upgrade ?
[07:56] <Agent_bob> make up my mind
[07:56] <dwidmann> CostaRicanQuaker: to get to the latest, you'll first have to upgrade to dapper, then to hardy, with reboots inbetween each.
[07:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> upgrade to the latest add kubuntu and xubuntu
[07:57] <Agent_bob> ok.   edit the file again.
[07:57] <Agent_bob> clear it.
[07:57]  * dwidmann attempts to apply mascara to Agent_bob's mind
[07:57] <Agent_bob> put these three lines in it.
[07:57] <Agent_bob> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main universe multiverse restricted
[07:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> sebastian@sebastian:~$ /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[07:58] <Agent_bob> use the uparrow to the command that worked...
[07:58] <Agent_bob> about three up
[07:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[07:58] <Agent_bob> clear it.
[07:58] <Agent_bob> put these three lines in it.
[07:58] <Agent_bob> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main universe multiverse restricted
[07:58] <Agent_bob> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main universe multiverse restricted
[07:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> clear it all over again? leave it blank?
[07:59] <Agent_bob> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main universe multiverse restricted
[07:59] <Agent_bob> clear it all and put those   &
[07:59] <Agent_bob> ^
[08:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> ctrl+x?
[08:00] <Agent_bob> does it have three lines now?
[08:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[08:00] <Agent_bob> do they start with "deb"
[08:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[08:00] <Agent_bob> k
[08:00] <Agent_bob> yes save and exit it.
[08:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do i do now?
[08:01] <Agent_bob> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:01] <Agent_bob> and tell us when it errors out.    best i remember that's often the case with a breezy to dapper up.
[08:02] <Agent_bob> but we'll fix it.
[08:02] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker is it updateing ?
[08:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes i just entered y i want to continue
[08:04] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker when it finishes.    use the shift+page up to scan for errors.   if you see any try to get the first one, top of the list.    if you don't see any errors ....  umm you are special.
[08:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> shift page up? liek the one you use to scroll through webpages page up?
[08:05] <Agent_bob> it works in the terminal
[08:05]  * CostaRicanQuaker is special alright
[08:05]  * CostaRicanQuaker feels retarded
[08:05]  * Agent_bob road the short bus too
[08:08] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker by the way.   meet intelikey  ;/
[08:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> meet intelikey?
[08:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> are you intelikey?
[08:09] <Agent_bob> i'm Agent_bob when i'm not intelikey when i'm not _2
[08:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> if so i must say you-ve been the nicest person along with distrojockey i've met on here
[08:09] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: don't worry. you're not going crazy. he is
[08:09] <Agent_bob> kinda depends on where i'm irc'ing from.
[08:10] <Agent_bob> err meant that about which nick i use   not about whether i'm nice or not...
[08:10] <Agent_bob> ;/
[08:10] <Agent_bob> o.O
[08:11] <cadoo> does anybody know how to convert from avi to ogg
[08:11] <Agent_bob> may apply to both though.
[08:11] <jussi01> Jucato: he isnt going crazy - he has been that way for a long time
[08:11] <Agent_bob> jussi01 :)
[08:11] <Agent_bob> who me ?
[08:11] <Agent_bob> :)))
[08:11] <Jucato> Agent_bob: no. not you
[08:11] <Jucato> intelikey
[08:11] <Agent_bob> oh
[08:11] <Agent_bob> wait.
[08:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> moi?
[08:12] <Agent_bob> now howto avi to ogg
[08:13] <Agent_bob> jussi01 have any answer for cadoo ?
[08:13] <Agent_bob> or Jucato ?
[08:13] <jussi01> avidemux
[08:14] <Agent_bob> it does ogg ?
[08:14] <jussi01> I think so...
[08:14] <jussi01> I would expect so
[08:14] <Agent_bob> cool didn't know that
[08:14] <Kamajii__> hi
[08:15] <Agent_bob> Kamajii__
[08:15] <Kamajii__> Agent_bob:
[08:15]  * Agent_bob is still having trouble with the mascara
[08:17] <Kamajii__> what about Kopete-ICQ and the new ICQ protocol versions?
[08:17] <Kamajii__> -s
[08:19] <Kamajii__> --> "ICQ server thinks the client is too old"
[08:19] <Agent_bob> my iq doesn't contain icq
[08:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> Agent_bob for how long have you been using thebuntu?
[08:20] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker sense it hatched almost.   second release
[08:20] <Agent_bob> why ?
[08:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> just furious
[08:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> curious*
[08:21] <Agent_bob> that's a mad inquisition is it not
[08:21] <Agent_bob> lol
[08:23] <Agent_bob> anyway.  i have seen two releases of ubuntu  the second hoary hedghog  and the forth  dapper drake  the one you are upgrading to as we speek,
[08:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> and why have you chosen kubuntu over the others?
[08:25] <Agent_bob> dialup
[08:25] <Agent_bob> it's a simple fact.  i'm cheep. and it's free
[08:25] <Agent_bob> shipit that is
[08:25] <Agent_bob> !shipit
[08:26]  * jussi01 pokes Agent_bob (!ot)
[08:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> i know
[08:26] <Agent_bob> or are you asking about desktop environments ?
[08:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> thats how i got the ubuntu i installed
[08:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> and the kubuntu i couldnt install
[08:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean between ubuntu kubuntu xubuntu gobuntu edubuntu medibuntu
[08:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> why katie
[08:28] <Agent_bob> to be honest i don't really have one. i have all three installed.    k/x/ubuntu   but i piddle here because quite frankly #ubuntu is too noisy and #xubuntu is too quiet
[08:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> YES!
[08:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> exactly
[08:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> yesterday i was so overwhelmed about the whole deal
[08:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> the amount of errored CDs that i couldnt install
[08:28] <Agent_bob> and the nicest people are in #kubuntu
[08:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> and then having to reinstall windows
[08:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> and today i just felt like
[08:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> might as well have the three of them
[08:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> learn them all
[08:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i agree with you too, despite my short experience
[08:30] <Agent_bob> my old daddy used to tell me,  "hang around nice people, some of it might rub off; and lord knows you need it."
[08:30] <Kamajii__> what's current stable? gutsy? dapper?
[08:30] <Agent_bob> hardy
[08:31] <Agent_bob> !release
[08:31] <Kamajii__> Agent_bob: thanks
[08:31] <Agent_bob> Kamajii__ dapper is still supported  (LTS)  as well
[08:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> dapper
[08:31] <Agent_bob> !lts
[08:31] <Kamajii__> and, aheem.... how to upgrade from gutsy to hardy?
[08:32] <Agent_bob> !upgrade
[08:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> what does dapper mean
[08:32] <ol_dude67> your out dated
[08:32] <Agent_bob> "pretty" i think
[08:32] <Agent_bob> ol_dude67 ?
[08:32] <ol_dude67> he said what does dapper mean...
[08:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> i know what a heron is and what a badger is
[08:33] <Agent_bob> ah a pun    i see
[08:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> but english ain-t my first language
[08:33] <brent> why cant i log into my amsn account?
[08:33] <ol_dude67> sorry
[08:33] <ol_dude67> my bad
[08:34] <brent> what is the name of the amsn server?
[08:34] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker dapper is the adjative describing the "drake"  either a male duck or a dragon depending on what part of the world you are in.
[08:34] <Agent_bob> !amsn
[08:34] <Agent_bob> oh.
[08:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> dapper...hmm
[08:34]  * CostaRicanQuaker goes to dictionary.com
[08:35] <Agent_bob> brent is there one  ?
[08:35] <ol_dude67> dapper is old, there are several ahead of you to update too..
[08:35] <brent> do u no sum1 hu does?
[08:35] <Agent_bob> ol_dude67 he knows
[08:36] <Agent_bob> brent i know that's hard to read,   r u 1337 nuf ?
[08:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> .	neat; trim; smart: He looked very dapper in his new suit.
[08:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> 2.	lively and brisk: to walk with a dapper step.
[08:36] <brent> what do you mean  Agent_bob?
[08:36] <Agent_bob> brent nothing.   sorry.
[08:36]  * CostaRicanQuaker waves at flaccid
[08:36] <flaccid> howdy
[08:37] <Agent_bob> is there an amsn server in the repos ?
[08:37] <Agent_bob> !find amsn
[08:37] <Agent_bob> doesn't look like it.
[08:38] <brent> i was on the amsn server yesterday but i cant remember what it was called
[08:38] <Agent_bob> oh.  you aren't talking about a package.  sorry my bad.
[08:39] <Agent_bob> brent msn.com ?
[08:39] <brent> that might be it but im sure it was on konversation
[08:41] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker how far along is it ?
[08:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> get 737
[08:43] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker i may have to bail out on you.   it's kinda cutting into my sleep time.
[08:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> where are you located Agent_bob
[08:43]  * CostaRicanQuaker waves at DistroJockey
[08:43] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker i'm up stairs right now.  but i'm about to go down stairs.
[08:44]  * DistroJockey waves to CostaRicanQuaker 
[08:44] <Agent_bob> and i don't play the asl game.
[08:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> asl?
[08:44] <brent> hey i fixed my amsn account
[08:44] <Agent_bob> glad you don't know it.
[08:44] <brent> i forgot i had changed my password
[08:44] <brent> lol
[08:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> what is it?
[08:44] <Agent_bob> brent cool
[08:44] <brent> anyone need help with amsn?
[08:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> tis 1 44 here in costa rica
[08:45] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker it's what people on yahoo say to each other all day.    asl?   asl?   asl?     their shorthand for "age sex and location"
[08:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> oh
[08:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> well i was asking for the ske of knowing what time it is where youre at
[08:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> that sounds stalkerish
[08:46] <Agent_bob> ;/
[08:46] <Agent_bob> < nick isn't a joke.
[08:48] <brent> hey im bored
[08:48] <brent> ......
[08:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> Agent_bob you're a homeland security undercover agent keeping an eye on these specific linux distros to detect possible hacker attacks?
[08:48] <Agent_bob> not exactly.
[08:48] <Agent_bob> if that's what you want to think  of me.  i'm good with that.
[08:49] <Agent_bob> actually i couldn't catch a "good" hacker.   that's someone elses job though.
[08:50] <Agent_bob> i just gather infor mation and do guard duty mostly
[08:50] <Kamajii__> Agent_bob: you're working for the German government, right?
[08:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> i couldn't work for a government
[08:50] <Kamajii__> helping them to develop their RFS
[08:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm an anarchist
[08:51] <Agent_bob> Kamajii__ depends,  do i need to be ?
[08:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> i think you're just teasying at this point Agent_bob
[08:51] <Kamajii__> Agent_bob: dunno, the German gov is also working on a trojan to observe their citicens
[08:51] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker anarchy breeds slaveory though
[08:51] <Kamajii__> "remote forensic software" they call it, GOVWARE so to speak
[08:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> no it doesn't if you have laws it doesn't
[08:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> anarchydoesnt mean lawlessness it means thelackof government in terms of rulers, hierarchical authority
[08:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> military, etc
[08:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> only in a society where oppression is protected can anarchy create slavery
[08:53] <Agent_bob> Kamajii__ i used to be bothered by "big brother" type things.   now it's more like a game to me.   and it doesn't matter to me who whtches me,  if i'm not doing anything wrong it's a moot point.
[08:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> for example the current ecnomic...
[08:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> that depends on how you define wrong
[08:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> if public property is public and therefore requires clarity  then confidentiality
[08:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> is unallowable
[08:54] <Agent_bob> you dont find anarchy and laws in the same bed togather though CostaRicanQuaker
[08:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> but violating individual privacy seems
[08:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> wrong to me
[08:54] <Agent_bob> what is privacy ?
[08:55] <Agent_bob> i can't see what close you are wareing !   but i can see what you type.
[08:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> what happens inside the lines of private property
[08:55]  * Agent_bob wonders what country still lets it's citicens own property...
[08:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> a violation of privacy is an unauthorized access into personal individual information
[08:56] <Agent_bob> fail to pay the taxes and see who's it is...
[08:56] <Kamajii__> mm, by the way, did you know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqEIp2YmtE (no ad)
[08:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> that-s true though
[08:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> i am against rent taxation
[08:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> taxes in general
[08:56] <Agent_bob> me too
[08:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> the reason why i like the whole ubuntu idea
[08:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> is because it seems quite harmonius
[08:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> with anarchy
[08:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> it recquires community and individual responsability
[08:57] <Agent_bob> not to me it doesn't.    there are those that will gladly inforce the rules/laws that govern ubuntu/linux and these irc channels.
[08:57] <Agent_bob> !ot
[08:58] <Agent_bob> it's mostly perspective, CostaRicanQuaker ;/
[08:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> law enforcing is not government or oppression it-s a community agreement to defend what will never lead to people harming each other
[08:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> i like the idea of squatters though
[09:00] <Agent_bob> progress report CostaRicanQuaker ?
[09:01] <Agent_bob> CostaRicanQuaker ?
[09:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> 1023
[09:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> dapper main ttf arab eyes
[09:02] <Agent_bob>   rex lex ?    lex rex ?
[09:02] <Agent_bob> ok well if it errors someone else will have to pick you up.   i'm out.
[09:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> thanks for oyur help bob
[09:03] <Agent_bob> i'll leave you with two usefull commands that may help if it errors.   1. "sudo dpkg --configure -a "   2. "sudo apt-get install -f "
[09:03] <Agent_bob> welcome.
[09:04] <Agent_bob> shalom !
[09:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> peace
[09:09] <Kamajii__> would you recommend KDE4 to me?
[09:17] <shampoonator> hi, when will the "new" pidign be available? :)
[09:26] <andybleaden> morning all..was having a wonderful time ripping bbc radio streams that were realplayer streams but now they have a beta iplayer which uses flash...could I still use mplayer to rip these streams?
[09:29] <andybleaden> Anyone used the new BBC Iplayer beta ?
[09:30]  * CostaRicanQuaker shakes ectasic at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki
[09:36] <antar> hi
[09:36] <antar> кто знает русский.
[09:37] <antar> ???
[09:37] <Jucato> !ru
[09:37] <antar> ага
[09:38] <antar> спасибо)
[09:48] <snypermann> I am a noob here. can I type my questions here?
[09:50] <Schorfi> yes, please
[09:52] <snypermann> can I modify kubuntu or anything else that it can only connect to an other PC just for remote desktop
[09:52] <snypermann> I have a thinclient and it would be grate if it is fast and just can connect to an other PC
[10:10] <mosud> hi people
[10:10] <mosud> my miro is not playing video on hardy
[10:11] <mosud> can anybody help?
[10:12] <psilocyde> im getting errors adept updater refuses to finish updating, it stoped at 20% on sun java. it "froze" and had to kill it. now i get an error when trying to run it
[10:13] <psilocyde> locked file or something
[10:13] <psilocyde> how do i fix it?
[10:16] <DistroJockey> psilocyde, anything helpful in   man adept   ?
[10:17] <psilocyde> no man entry for adept
[10:18] <DistroJockey> psilocyde, that's what I got :(
[10:18] <DistroJockey> psilocyde, and that's the right command right?
[10:18] <psilocyde> ya
[10:18] <Jucato> !adeptfix | psilocyde
[10:19] <psilocyde> will do
[10:19] <psilocyde> ooooh oooooh ohhh, its doing something!!!!
[10:20] <psilocyde> ok whats this mean? "Processing triggers for libc6 ...ldconfig deferred processing now taking place"
[10:20] <Jucato> psilocyde: it will probably try to ask you about the Sun Java license. when it does, press Tab to select the OK button then Enter or Space to select it
[10:20] <Jucato> just "I'm working" messages :)
[10:21] <psilocyde> oh ok
[10:23] <psilocyde> when should i start to worry, how long should the deferred process take place?
[10:23] <psilocyde> lol
[10:30] <psilocyde> ok still stuck in deferred process   ----------->   http://paste.ubuntu.com/24422/
[10:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> Jucato
[10:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> it seems to be done now
[10:31] <Jucato> psilocyde: did you press Ctrl+C? or did it just go back to your prompt by itself?
[10:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> how did i look for errors again?
[10:32] <psilocyde> oh wait, right
[10:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> and do i go till i find an error or the first error in the whole uprade?
[10:32] <psilocyde> lemme see
[10:33] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: oh sorry, what were you trying to do? intelikey's not here :/
[10:33] <psilocyde> Jucato i dont think i did ctrl c
[10:33] <Jucato> psilocyde: then it's done! :P
[10:33] <psilocyde> ill have a looky loo
[10:33] <Jucato> psilocyde: could you try "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[10:34] <psilocyde> as in, i should do "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[10:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> Jucato i was upgrading from ubuntu breezy to dapper to then upgrade all the way to...hardy? is that the name of the last lts one? anyway, he said that when it was done the terminal that is, i should look for the first error and consider myself special if i didn-t get any
[10:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i do this and what does "first error" mean, the first written since the upgrade or the first i can find
[10:36] <Jucato> psilocyde: yep. just to make sure that packages that you were trying to upgrade are really upgraded
[10:37] <psilocyde> thanks, done and done
[10:37] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: the first error that you see *if* there's an error...
[10:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i lookk for it?
[10:37] <psilocyde> i think it worked, going to try the graphical
[10:41] <apachelogger> ahoy
[10:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> Jucato?
[10:41] <apachelogger> anyone with Hardy (but without the KDE 4 ppa around)?
[10:41] <Jucato> CostaRicanQuaker: sorry no idea. I think intelikey meant that take note of the error if you encounter one. not to go looking for errors
[10:41] <Jucato> but I'm not really sure since I wasn't following what he was telling you
[10:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[10:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> so to install xubuntu it was
[10:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?
[10:44] <DistroJockey> apachelogger, I have a Ubuntu install with kubuntu-desktop installed if that helps
[10:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> DISTROJOCKEY!
[10:44] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, aye, that's correct :)
[10:44] <apachelogger> DistroJockey: doesn't matter as long as you don't have the ppa activated ;-)
[10:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok great, so i don-t have to worry about anything else onthe dapper
[10:45] <apachelogger> DistroJockey: please run `apt-cache rdepends libkonq5-templates` and paste the output
[10:45] <DistroJockey> apachelogger, don't even know what ppa is :(
[10:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> should i upgrade to the latest (hardy?) before xubuntu?
[10:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'll do kubuntu first
[10:45] <apachelogger> DistroJockey: it's better that way, really :)
[10:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> !wine
[10:46] <DistroJockey> apachelogger,  apt-cache rdepends libkonq5-templates      libkonq5-templates      Reverse Depends:  libkonq5
[10:46] <apachelogger> DistroJockey: thank you
[10:46] <DistroJockey> apachelogger, no problem, you're welcome
[10:46] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I would
[10:46] <Kamajii> hi again
[10:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> you would what? i.m installing kubuntu
[10:47] <Kamajii> why does an upgrade from gutsy to hardy need about 1,3GB more disk space?
[10:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> then i hope to install xubuntu
[10:47] <lumm> hi just realized the kubuntu splash screen sometimes freezes.. if i wanna type in my crypt passswords..
[10:47] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, actually I would just install Kubuntu 8.04
[10:48] <Jucato> Kamajii: 1.3GB more than what?
[10:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> then id be interested in this wine thing and mounting the windows partition to have access from either side of the fence
[10:48] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, why not just install Xubuntu 8.04 ?
[10:48] <Kamajii> Jucato: the core-updater just says it needs at least 1,3GB of disk space
[10:48] <Jucato> DistroJockey: because he already has one working *buntu installed and none of his burned CD's work
[10:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey i-m getting kubuntu
[10:48] <Jucato> Kamajii: for the downloaded packages
[10:49] <DistroJockey> Jucato, ahh, yes, fair enough
[10:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> will that kubuntu be the 8.04 version?
[10:49] <Kamajii> Jucato: but this is temporary used disk space, isn't it?
[10:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> or will i have to upgrade once it's completed
[10:49] <ct529> flaccid: hi there! yes, the new packages fixed the problem.
[10:49] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, should be
[10:49] <Jucato> Kamajii: of course it will have to download the updates before it can update them
[10:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> anyway i can check when it's done?
[10:49] <Jucato> Kamajii: you can delete them afterwards
[10:50] <Kamajii> Jucato: ok... btw, can I give it another path than "/" to cache these packages?
[10:50] <Jucato> I don't think so. it will download them to /var/cache/apt/archive/ afaik
[10:50] <Kamajii> that would make it a lot easier
[10:50] <Kamajii> hm
[10:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey do youhave windows as well?
[10:51] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, yeah, not used it at home for ages though. But I do IT support for a very Windows orientate University
[10:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> i am interested in wine
[10:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> i have windows xp professional at the otehr end
[10:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> and that.s the last ever windows i want to pay for
[10:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i'd like to be able to run programs from both sides
[10:53] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I've run a couple of things with wine, it works pretty well when it works
[10:55] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, here is the place to go to check app compatibility:  http://appdb.winehq.org/
[10:57] <flaccid> ct529, coolio
[11:03] <Kamajii> fucking xserver packages
[11:03] <flaccid> !language | Kamajii
[11:04] <Kamajii> I'm sorry...but these packages do suck
[11:04] <Kamajii> everytime I do an update they're installed again (video-intel, via, ...)
[11:05] <flaccid> ah well
[11:05] <flaccid> thats probably for a reason
[11:05] <Kamajii> I can't figure out that reason..
[11:05] <Kamajii> I've got NVidia, the video-nv driver works fine, so why does it always select all the other drivers again?
[11:06] <flaccid> dependencies
[11:07] <pascalFR_> est ce que qqun connais un log de blog ou on peut mettre facilement des attachements audio qu'on puisse lire avec un ti bout de flash
[11:07] <pascalFR_> oops sorry
[11:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey a lot of gaming links in that link you gave me....wine is not an emulator?
[11:09] <flaccid> thats what WINE stands for
[11:12] <waylandbill> I have a wireless connection that is being handled by the network manager. I wanted to give the connection a pre-up command to configure the iptables
[11:12] <waylandbill> where would I configure this as the wlan0 doesn't have a /etc/network/interfaces entry?
[11:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> how can i check the channel logs?
[11:16] <flaccid> waylandbill, you need to add it to /etc/network/interfaces
[11:18] <flaccid> waylandbill, simple pre-up command in /etc/network/interfaces under the relevant iface
[11:18] <Riddell> hardy.1 CD testers needed!
[11:18] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, correct WINE stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator :)
[11:19] <waylandbill> flaccid: interface doesn't exist since networkmanager is handling the connection. should I manually connect so it is and can I use a WPA connection manually?
[11:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> flaccid how do i get a log from the channel?
[11:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> !log
[11:19] <flaccid> waylandbill, correct. you need to configure the whole interface in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:19] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, games are the only thing I would use wine for as there are programs in Linux to do everything else
[11:20] <flaccid> i wouldn't say everything :)
[11:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i open and run a program that-s on windows in the ntsf partition from kubuntu
[11:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> with wine?
[11:20] <waylandbill> flaccid: okay. will do.
[11:21] <DistroJockey> Riddell, willing and able :)
[11:21] <flaccid> waylandbill, there is wpa page on the wiki for manual config of it in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:21] <waylandbill> flaccid: I was on my way there already. Thanks. :)
[11:21] <flaccid> np
[11:22] <testuser> @Distrojockey how robust is WINE now? Could it handle FlightSim X, for example?
[11:22] <flaccid> if its in /etc/network/interfaces file then knetworkmanager won't manage it and vice versa
[11:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> i met riddell in england two years ago
[11:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> 3 actually
[11:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> hes also a quaker
[11:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> thats how i found out about kubuntu in the first place
[11:23] <DistroJockey> testuser, no idea sorry. May want to check http://appdb.winehq.org/
[11:23] <flaccid> !enter | CostaRicanQuaker
[11:24] <DistroJockey> testuser_, it's at 1.1.0 after 15 years of being below 1 so they think it's good :)
[11:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i open and run a program that-s on windows in the ntsf partition from kubuntu?
[11:24] <testuser_> DistroJockey: Thanks, I'll check
[11:24] <DistroJockey> testuser_, no problem
[11:25] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, nope
[11:25] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, yep
[11:25] <DistroJockey> lol
[11:25] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, depends on program and compatability etc.
[11:25]  * DistroJockey knows very little about wine
[11:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> hmm has microsoft sued whoever made wine already?
[11:33] <drknow> hiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[11:36] <peterbecker> does anyone know a workaround for the issue that printing some landscape PDFs gives you a truncated portrait oriented print?
[11:36] <peterbecker> since HH even the workaround of printing with Acrobat Reader doesn't work anymore :(
[11:37] <peterbecker> see e.g https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/47649 (there are more related bugs)
[11:37] <peterbecker> yes that one
[11:37] <peterbecker> it's old and it is worse in HH than ever
[11:37] <peterbecker> it used to work from Acrobat Reader in older versions, but it doesn't anymore
[11:38] <peterbecker> judging from the list of hits for "pdf landscape" I suspect it is not really a KDE issue either, there are similar bugs reported against gnome apps
[11:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey what is better ubuntu or mepis?
[11:42] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, heh, not really the best channel to ask in for an unbiased answer ;)
[11:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> have you tried mepis?
[11:43] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, not lately
[11:44] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, the buntu's are my preferred OS
[11:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> i need to be able todefend ubuntu with a rotund argument
[11:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> when i explain my girl why it-s better
[11:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> especially than madriva
[11:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> whichthis guy wanted to help her install
[11:45] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, check the number of people in the ubuntu IRC channel compared with any other :)
[11:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok warren woodford worked for the us military branchesof gov
[11:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> and we're both pacifist
[11:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> so that settles that
[11:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> intelikey was right though, kubuntu is nicer even if it doesnt have as much people as ubuntu
[11:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[11:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey kubuntu has been installed
[11:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> now what? sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?
[11:50] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, what did you install kubuntu onto of again?
[11:50] <DistroJockey> onto = on top of
[11:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> ubuntu
[11:51] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, or was it a clean install of kubuntu>
[11:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> no from ubuntu...which i had just upgraded from breezy to dapper
[11:52] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, well, a reboot might be wise initially to make sure it all works. Then do the install
[11:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok don't go please i'll brb
[11:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey
[11:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> i rebooted
[11:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> the weird thing is
[11:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> the first booting screen was kubuntu's also the one i had to type my password on and loading
[11:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> but then it turned into ubuntu again
[11:58] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, yep, that's normal
[11:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> with a bunch of kde apps
[11:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i switch to kubuntu?
[11:59] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, well, the kubuntu boot and login is normal
[11:59] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, at the login screen, change the Session
[11:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> log out and login?
[11:59] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, log out, change Session and login in, yep
[12:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> back
[12:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> much better for some reason it also feels as though it runs faster
[12:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> would you say kubuntu runs faster than ubuntu? is that possible?
[12:02] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, cool :)
[12:03]  * CostaRicanQuaker goes to konsole
[12:03] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, from what I saw of a very minimal memory test I did today, KDE uses a few MB less RAM than Gnome. But KDE didn't have compiz running
[12:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey, now i type sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?
[12:03] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, yep
[12:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> compiz?
[12:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> !compiz
[12:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> what is compiz?
[12:05] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, fancy openGL 3D effects
[12:05] <voice> I downloaded the DVD version for Kubuntu with the KDE 3 interface. It seems to be stuck on 94% (it hasn't moved for about 8 hours now). Is this normal / what should i do?
[12:06] <DistroJockey> voice, does it say what it's doing at 94% ?
[12:06] <voice> Configuring Hardware
[12:06] <voice> its a fairly old laptop
[12:07] <DistroJockey> voice, that can take a while, but not 8 hrs I would think
[12:07] <voice> ok
[12:07] <voice> what should i do?
[12:07] <DistroJockey> voice, do you have fast cheap internet?
[12:08] <voice> yes
[12:08] <DistroJockey> voice, I'd go for an Alternate CD
[12:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey have you tried http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobuntu ?
[12:09] <voice> thanks, but they don't seem to have those listed on the kubuntu website http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php#latest
[12:09] <DistroJockey> voice, DVD just has more packages on it that will get outdated any way. Better to get the CD an install from repo's
[12:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> that's the emptiest buntu channel i've been to thus far
[12:10] <voice> thanks very much DistroJockey
[12:10] <DistroJockey> voice, you could try  cdimages.ubuntu.com
[12:10] <voice> thank you again :)
[12:11] <DistroJockey> voice, you're welcome :)
[12:11] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I did try a Go at some point
[12:11] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, focus on web apps mostly right?
[12:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> I dont know that's why I'm asking
[12:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> do you think it will grow tobe as big as kubuntu DsitroJockey?
[12:13] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, not to sure, I'd just be googling to find out :)
[12:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> from what I'm reading what I like is that it aims to be completely free and completely open source
[12:14] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, depends if you can rely on the network or not I guess
[12:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> do their challenge will be to grow and have a community that provides support and completely nonproprietor programs?
[12:17] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, ahh, yes, I see what they are about now. It will mainly be used by developers. End users want all the non-proprietary stuff usually
[12:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> wait
[12:18] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, currently atleast
[12:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> isn't that a contradiction? as in understand end user means
[12:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> desktop GUI windowsswitchers, everyday homer simpson user
[12:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> and developper is the opposite
[12:18] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, "If you are looking to build a free software distribution based off of Ubuntu, or you wish to use an operating system that only provides you with truly free software and content, you should consider trying Gobuntu."
[12:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> what is your stance on the matter?
[12:19] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, note the word "build"
[12:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do you look for in a *buntu?
[12:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> well that means that it's only in its very first first first stages
[12:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> but one it's past that
[12:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> how would you measure it against the rest? what would you look for in a buntu?
[12:20] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, well, I use restricted formats, so I need that. Gobuntu won't give me that
[12:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> what for?
[12:21] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, mp3, flash etc.
[12:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> explain
[12:21] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, they be restricted, Gobuntu won't touch them
[12:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> hmmm how is mp3 restricted?
[12:23] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, hmm, good question :)
[12:24] <annma> anyone would have kapptemplate-kde4 from 4.1 beta2 by any chance please?
[12:24] <flaccid> licensing
[12:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> but i can create an mp3
[12:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> and it can becopylefted
[12:24] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, try a google on: ubuntu mp3  :)
[12:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok xubuntu has been set up
[12:25] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, 1st 2 links should cover it
[12:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey what do you think? sudo apt-get install gobuntu?
[12:26] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I doubt that exists or would work if it did
[12:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> hmm
[12:26] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, "If you are looking to build a free software distribution based off of Ubuntu, or you wish to use an operating system that only provides you with truly free software and content, you should consider trying Gobuntu."
[12:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> build
[12:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[12:26] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, as I said, it's mainly for building upon
[12:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'll wait a couple years then
[12:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> exctly 12
[12:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> aha!
[12:28] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, if you installed it, I'm sure you would turn it into something like ubuntu
[12:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey, how do i get codecs to play mp3s? or do i jsut assume they come with the releases of ubuntu and kubuntu and xubuntu i have?
[12:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do you mean?
[12:29] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I usually just try and play one and it askes if I want to install the needed codecs
[12:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[12:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i mount my ntsf prtition
[12:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> to have access to it from here
[12:30] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, if you installed Gobuntu, you would probably end up installing most of what is in Ubuntu but not in Gobuntu (is what I mean)
[12:30] <annma> flaccid: you don't j=have kapptemplate from beta2 by any chance?
[12:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey. sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras _
[12:31] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I usually  sudo mkdir /mnt/sdxx && sudo mount /dev/sdxx /mnt/sdxx
[12:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i copy and paste that into the terminal?
[12:32] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, replacing xx with that right thing ofcourse
[12:32] <Drk_Guy> DistroJockey: Make sure mnt doesn't get very populated, mnt things on tmp instead
[12:32] <DistroJockey> Drk_Guy, ohh, why's that?
[12:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> distrojockey you mean for the partition?
[12:32] <flaccid> annma, negative
[12:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok, so what would the right stuff be here?
[12:33] <Drk_Guy> DistroJockey: I think krnl reads that dir sometimes
[12:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i know the name of the partition>? dev1 etc?
[12:33] <Drk_Guy> *think*
[12:33] <Drk_Guy> CostaRicanQuaker: sudo fdisk -l
[12:33] <annma> thanks flaccid
[12:33] <DistroJockey> Drk_Guy, I guess that leads to a slowdown if it does
[12:33] <annma> flaccid: where can I see the content of the beta 2 packages?
[12:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i copy that into  the termninal ?
[12:34] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, the mount thing you can, aslong as you replace the xx with the right thing
[12:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> and the last command
[12:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> what's that for? knowing what the right thing is?
[12:35] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, sudo mkdir /mnt/sdxx && sudo mount /dev/sdxx /mnt/sdxx  =  make a dir and then if successful mount the device to that dir
[12:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> but how do i find out wht the xxx should be?
[12:36] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, as Drk_Guy said, use  sudo fdisk -l
[12:36] <flaccid> annma, no idea. not the person to ask
[12:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i can paste that line directly into the terminal?
[12:37] <annma> nobody never answers me here flaccid
[12:37] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, yep
[12:37] <flaccid> annma, ah well thats life!
[12:37] <annma> I'd like to know where to talk about bugs and check them
[12:37] <annma> flaccid: nope, that's not
[12:37] <annma> it's easy with other distros
[12:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> what was the past...
[12:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> !pastebin
[12:38] <DistroJockey> !launchpad maybe? | annma
[12:38] <DistroJockey> :(
[12:38] <DistroJockey> !launchpad | annma
[12:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24448/ what now?
[12:38] <annma> DistroJockey: I am not a KUbuntu user, I am a KDE devel trying to figure out if a bug is KUbuntu's
[12:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey
[12:39] <DistroJockey> annma, fair enough. I don't use Kubuntu either :)
[12:39] <annma> lol
[12:39] <annma> OK
[12:40] <DistroJockey> annma, I installed it to help if I could :)
[12:40] <annma> with no support channel I'll never install it
[12:41] <annma> I guess I'll say to users to report bugs to launchpad
[12:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24448/   what now?
[12:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do i substitute with what?
[12:43] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1 && sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[12:43]  * CostaRicanQuaker copies and pastes
[12:43] <DistroJockey> :)
[12:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> um
[12:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> nothing hppened
[12:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> it didnt ask me for a password
[12:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> and nothign happened
[12:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> it just got the prompt out again
[12:44] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker,  good :)
[12:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> is that whats suposed to happen?
[12:44] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, do a:  ls /mnt/hda1
[12:45] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, keep it on one line please.
[12:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> sebastian@sebastian:~$ ls /mnt/hda1
[12:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> ls: /mnt/hda1: Permission denied
[12:45] <Drk_Guy> anma, it is on launchpad, so packages.ubuntu.com won't help, still, i would recommend....
[12:45] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I guess you will need to sudo that then
[12:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> how?
[12:46] <Drk_Guy> anma, there is an apt-cache command that shows that for installed pckgs, but don't remember it exactly
[12:46] <Drk_Guy> anma, sorry
[12:46] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, there is probably a better way to mount NTFS but I've not bothered looking it up
[12:46] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, sudo ls /mnt/hda1
[12:47] <spyman> Bom dia
[12:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24450/
[12:48] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, looks good
[12:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> so it/s mounted?
[12:49] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, yep
[12:49] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, until you reboot atleast
[12:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> now how do i get the codecs for mp3s and such? sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[12:49] <flaccid> !mp3 | CostaRicanQuaker
[12:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok how do i check which kubuntu and which ubuntu i'm on currently?
[12:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> to know which of those i ahve to use
[12:51] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, lsb_release -a
[12:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> dapper
[12:52] <DistroJockey> flaccid, ooo, Description:	Ubuntu 8.04.1 (didn't know I was at .1 already) :)
[12:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i upgrade from dapper onto thelaterst?
[12:53] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, in theory yes, i've done it. but we do not support it officially.
[12:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> what does that mean in commoners english?
[12:53] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, its probably too hard for you.
[12:54] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, not advised :)
[12:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> can you help me dot that?
[12:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> i want to upgrade to the latest
[12:54] <flaccid> i want world peace!
[12:54] <Pici> flaccid: ?? Dapper to Hardy is definity supported.
[12:54] <jussi01> Does anyone know how to show week numbers (1-52) on the calendar in kontact?
[12:54] <flaccid> Pici, where does it say that?
[12:55] <flaccid> factoids and other pages have said otherwise iirc
[12:55] <jussi01> flaccid: lts -> lts is supported
[12:55] <Pici> One moment, let me find the url.
[12:55] <Pici> flaccid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[12:55] <flaccid> i've read one official thing that said otherwise. finding might be another story
[12:55] <Pici> CostaRicanQuaker: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#Upgrade%20from%206.06%20LTS%20to%208.04%20LTS
[12:55] <DistroJockey> I always read that you need to pass through the versions in between
[12:56] <flaccid> jussi01, doesn't have much to do with lts
[12:56] <Pici> flaccid: Actually it does.
[12:56]  * jussi01 hugs Pici
[12:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> # Make sure the "dapper-updates" software channel is enabled.
[12:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> how?
[12:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> Pici, my terminal is open
[12:57] <flaccid> i used to help users with dapper upgrades until i ran into this piece of info, wherever it is
[12:57] <Pici> jussi01: Is there an easy way to do that on Kubuntu? I'm not familiar with adept.
[12:57] <bazhang> flaccid, which one
[12:58] <flaccid> hmm that link is community documentation
[12:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> i will brb, don't leave please pici
[12:58] <jussi01> Pici: yep, adept - adept menu -> manage rpositories
[12:59] <Pici> I'm actually running to get food.... so... someone help him ;)
[12:59] <flaccid> well the factiod and the wiki have both been changed. i stand corrected, yet dislike the change in policy if there ever was one.
[13:00] <bazhang> flaccid, which one
[13:00] <EagleScreen> want to upgrade from dapper to hardy?
[13:00] <jussi01> flaccid: its always been policy to have upgrades lts -> lts
[13:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> Pici, what do i do then?
[13:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> may have the link again
[13:02] <EagleScreen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#Upgrade%20from%206.06%20LTS%20to%208.04%20LTS
[13:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i go where first? terminal or do i look for some program in particular?
[13:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> DistroJockey>
[13:03] <flaccid> one of the upgrade factoids it was not sure which one
[13:03] <EagleScreen> CostaRicanQuaker have you dapper-updates enabled?
[13:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i check that?
[13:04] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, I'd follow that link EagleScreen gave
[13:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> let me open the terminal
[13:04] <flaccid> and kubuntu 8.04 is not lts
[13:04] <EagleScreen> CostaRicanQuaker Open terminal, and turn root in it typing "sudo su" and entering your password
[13:05] <bazhang> EagleScreen, best not to tell CostaRicanQuaker to use root
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[13:05] <metallion> hi
[13:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> um
[13:05] <EagleScreen> yes, root for doing one thing
[13:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> i already did...what happens
[13:05] <bazhang> EagleScreen, sudo not sudo su
[13:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> root@sebastian:/home/sebastian#
[13:05] <jussi01> EagleScreen: Please dont recomend sudo su
[13:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> that/s what showed up
[13:05] <EagleScreen> now type the following command, one momment
[13:06] <bazhang> CostaRicanQuaker, exit that
[13:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> is there a consensus that i should exit?
[13:06] <jussi01> EagleScreen: sudo preferably and if you must have a root terminal use sudo -i
[13:06] <DistroJockey> yep
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> CostaRicanQuaker: just sudo all the commands you want power for
[13:06] <bazhang> CostaRicanQuaker, yes
[13:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok let me close terminal and reopen
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> yo yo DistroJockey
[13:07]  * CostaRicanQuaker opens konsole again
[13:07] <DistroJockey> heyya ActionParsnip :)
[13:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> so the proper way for me to do this without "root" or whatever is
[13:07] <EagleScreen> echo 'deb http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse' >/etc/apt/sources.list
[13:07] <bazhang> is with sudo
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> CostaRicanQuaker: put sudo infront of the command yuo want power for, you will be asked for password to authosire
[13:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> that willbe sudo deb http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse' >/etc/apt/sources.list ?
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> CostaRicanQuaker: and kdesudo for gui apps like kate
[13:08] <untiled> hi, i have a problem, i want to install qtruby so i've dowloaded its sources from internet but when i try to install it by ./configure it exit whit this error: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables, can anyone help me?
[13:08] <EagleScreen> not
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> untiled: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[13:09] <EagleScreen> CostaRicanQuaker do what I say
[13:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> ActionParsnip, that for me to copy and paste?
[13:09] <EagleScreen> sudo su
[13:09] <EagleScreen> echo 'deb http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse' >/etc/apt/sources.list
[13:09] <jussi01> EagleScreen: please tell him to use sudo
[13:09] <EagleScreen> exit
[13:09] <bazhang> EagleScreen, no.
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> CostaRicanQuaker: it wasnt aimed at you or id put your name at the start, read the line
[13:09] <DistroJockey> CostaRicanQuaker, sudo echo 'deb http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse' >/etc/apt/sources.list
[13:09] <jussi01> EagleScreen: DO NOT recomend sudo su please
[13:10]  * CostaRicanQuaker feels like a little kid in the middle of a parent fight
[13:10]  * DistroJockey chuckles
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> sudo su is asking for grief
[13:10] <untiled> ActionParsnip: it ask to me cd, i have to delete if from sources.list and retry?
[13:10] <EagleScreen> CostaRicanQuaker wait, do not run it
[13:11] <EagleScreen> it was worong
[13:11] <EagleScreen> wrong
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> untiled: ok, run synaptic and remove the CD from your repository sources
[13:11] <EagleScreen> it is: echo 'deb http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse' >>/etc/apt/sources.list  (double >>)
[13:12] <untiled> ActionParsnip: and after it will be dowloaded, right?
[13:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok so i go to terminal type in sudo /etc/apt/sources.list check that it has that link in the file?
[13:12] <EagleScreen> negative CostaRicanQuaker
[13:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok, terminal is open
[13:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> with the prompt
[13:13] <EagleScreen> you can do "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> untiled: indeed
[13:13] <EagleScreen> text editor will be opened
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> EagleScreen: not sudo
[13:13] <jussi01> EagleScreen: gksu
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> EagleScreen: and not gedit
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> EagleScreen: unless you really want gnome libs as well as kde libs
[13:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24457/
[13:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> there EagleScreen
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> EagleScreen: gksu kdesu are used to run gui apps like gedit with admin priveledges
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> untiled: if you run kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:14] <EagleScreen> CostaRicanQuaker you laready have dapper-updates
[13:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> untiled: you should see a line reading "deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Re......@
[13:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> i want to get hardy
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> or similar
[13:15] <untiled> yes, i've done and i've write # before the cd line
[13:15] <EagleScreen> ok clise thta file
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> untiled: if you put a # at the start to comment it out, save and exit
[13:15] <EagleScreen> *close that file
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> untiled: then sudo apt-get update
[13:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok EagleScreen
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> untiled: then it wiill ignore the cd forever more (until you uncomment the line)
[13:16] <EagleScreen> then sudo apt-get update
[13:16] <Dragnslcr> CostaRicanQuaker- might be easier to do a clean install. Upgrading from dapper to edgy to feisty to gutsy to hardy will be a long process
[13:16] <Pici> Dragnslcr: Theres no need to do that....
[13:16] <untiled> ActionParsnip: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?    but there aren't process using it
[13:16] <EagleScreen> i think it is possible upgrade directly from dapper to hardy because there are LTS
[13:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> Dragnslcr, i-m up to it
[13:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> thats what i was reading
[13:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> what eaglescreen just said
[13:17] <Pici> EagleScreen: It is.
[13:17] <Dragnslcr> Pici- last I heard, skipping versions didn't always work too well
[13:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> so how do i do it?
[13:17] <Dragnslcr> EagleScreen- Kubuntu 8.04 isn't LTS
[13:17] <EagleScreen> yes, i know
[13:18] <DistroJockey> I definitely prefer a clean install rather than an upgrade. And on that not, I'm out
[13:18] <EagleScreen> CostaRicanQuaker run "sudo aptitude update"
[13:18] <Pici> Dragnslcr: It doesnt. But LTS releases are designed to upgrade between each other.  Kubuntu 8.04 isnt an LTS, but Ubuntu 8.04 is.  And they share many/most of the same packages.
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> untiled: if you have adept / synaptic open. close it
[13:18] <DistroJockey> note^ :)
[13:18] <DistroJockey> good luck, later
[13:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Pici: why is it like that?
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Pici: considering they are so massivbely similar
[13:19] <Dragnslcr> You can try going directly from dapper, but I'd have an 8.04 CD handy
[13:19] <Pici> ActionParsnip: Partially Canonicals decision to not support KDE4 because it was too bleeding edge.
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> Pici: what about kde3?
[13:19] <untiled> ActionParsnip: they are just close; i'm running a konsole (in which i'm tring to pu apt-get update), kopete and amarok. Stop. it's a little strange
[13:20] <Dragnslcr> Kubuntu 8.04 isn't LTS because KDE4 isn't ready for general use yet, and the KDE developers won't be supporting KDE3 for the 3 years that Kubuntu would need
[13:20] <Pici> ActionParsnip: I'm not a KDE developer or even a KDE user, I cannot go over the exact points of it not being an LTS release.
[13:20] <EagleScreen> CostaRicanQuaker what are you doing?
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> Pici: ok, well your explanations was sufficient :D cheers
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> !fixapt
[13:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> look at you argue
[13:21] <jussi01> !aptfix
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> cheers jussi
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> untiled: ^
[13:22] <Pici> CostaRicanQuaker: Run this:  sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[13:22] <untiled> ActionParsnip: ok, thank you, it is istalling essential
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> untiled: cool
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> haha then next Ubuntu release is Intrepid Ibex
[13:25] <untiled> umh..but wich is the last ubuntu? gubsty or hardy?
[13:26] <Pici> untiled: Hardy
[13:26] <EagleScreen> hardy
[13:26] <Pici> Ibex is not to be released until October.
[13:27] <untiled> lol, so i have to upgrade it ^^ if i put sudo apt-get dist-upgrade i'll have hardy?
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> untiled: hardy
[13:27] <EagleScreen> untiled apt-get dist-upgrade do not usually works well in Ubuntu
[13:27] <flaccid> if you change your sources yes
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> untiled: run sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:28] <untiled> ActionParsnip: if i change current source.list with the hardy one and i put update and then upgrade it will work?
[13:29] <EagleScreen> untiled from dapper to hardy??
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> untiled: if its one release name up from what you have then yes
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> untiled: otherwise no
[13:29] <flaccid> it can be any release up
[13:30] <flaccid> or down
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> thought it was release by release
[13:30] <untiled> ActionParsnip: i am on gubsty
[13:30] <flaccid> untiled, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes#From%207.10%20or%206.06%20LTS%20to%208.04%20LTS
[13:31] <EagleScreen> untiled to upgrade from gutsy to hardy do not do apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:31] <flaccid> yes dist-upgrade!
[13:31] <EagleScreen> dist-upgrade is for Debian, Ubuntu has its own upgrade method
[13:32] <flaccid> dist-upgrade will do the kernel and the userland just like debian
[13:32] <flaccid> EagleScreen, which method you talking about?
[13:32] <antar> плиз дайте русский канал
[13:32] <EagleScreen> untiled visit www.kubuntu.org and see how to upgrade from kubuntu gutsy to hardy
[13:32] <flaccid> !ru | antar
[13:33] <antar> пасиба
[13:33] <untiled> EagleScreen: ok i'm going
[13:42] <untiled> i'm tring (again) to install qtruby, i put ./configure and it start but when it check for X it escape with this error: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!   what it mesn?
[13:54] <sylarx> witam
[13:57] <s-casabrasil> a
[14:23] <csousa> hi, is possible to have root password (for sudo) but still have root login disabled (in su) ?
[14:29] <Kamajii> hi again... update to hardy completed.
[14:29] <lanoxxth> whats a good software to burn cd/dvd's
[14:29] <lanoxxth> ?
[14:29] <lumm> k3b
[14:30] <lanoxxth> ah thanks, i had that in mind, but couldn remember the name :)
[14:30] <lanoxxth> one more: i somehow disabled mediamanager? how can i reactivate it?
[14:31] <lanoxxth> when i go to systemmenu->storage media i get the message: "The KDE mediamanager is not running."
[14:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i set my hotmail-s emails to get to my kmail?
[14:32] <Kamajii> is there a preferred way to upgrade from KDE3 to KDE4 on hardy?
[14:35] <da1l6> Kamajii, KDE 4.0.5 packages are in the hardy backports, KDE 4.1 Beta2 packages are in a PPA http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.1beta2.php
[14:36] <Kamajii> or do I have to select all the kde4 packages manually?
[14:36] <da1l6> the meta package kubuntu-kde4-desktop should do the trick
[14:54] <sacarde> hi\
[14:54] <sacarde>  have a problem with kubuntu-ppc 8.10 alpha
[14:55] <sacarde> I download iso install
[14:55] <Pici> sacarde: Please join #ubuntu+1 then, #kubuntu only handles current versions, not the alphas
[14:55] <sacarde> ok
[14:55] <sacarde> thanks
[14:59] <LinuxWorld> is there a textbrowser, a lynx clone out there, specifically for linux?
[15:00] <Pici> LinuxWorld: lynx is for linux...
[15:00] <Pici> LinuxWorld: But theres also,links, links2, w3m
[15:00] <LinuxWorld> ah..ok i see...
[15:01] <LinuxWorld> i guess is the most mature of all?
[15:01] <LinuxWorld> i man lynx
[15:01] <LinuxWorld> i mean lynx
[15:03] <aljoscha> hoi
[15:04] <Dr_willis> I tend to use 'links -g 'at times
[15:04] <Dr_willis> or was it links2 -g... i forget. :)
[15:05] <LinuxWorld> its in the pools?
[15:05] <LinuxWorld> let me check
[15:06] <Dr_willis> !find links2
[15:06] <Dr_willis> !find lynx
[15:07] <LinuxWorld> got it
[15:12] <Nutubuntu> What can I do about a program that constantly goes zombie - other than not use it?
[15:12] <Dr_willis> what program is this Nutubuntu ?
[15:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> does gnu use the linux kernel?
[15:13] <Nutubuntu> Some browser called Firefox ... :/
[15:15] <Dr_willis> CostaRicanQuaker,  the 'gnu' home page mentions they are working on their own kernel. but i forget what it was even called. (hurd?)
[15:16] <Dr_willis> Most all Linux Distros use    a great many of the GNU tools. :)
[15:16] <Nutubuntu> I've found Firefox to be unstable, at best, under I believe four releases of Ubuntu/Kubuntu on two different boxes since about version 1.7 of Ff. I've r/o hardware and extensions and corrupt Ff profile ... what's left?
[15:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i cant say that ive had any issues with firefox in ages...
[15:17] <Kamajii> hi again... -_-
[15:17] <Kamajii> how to upgrade from KDE3 to KDE4 ?
[15:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> have you tried gnu dr willis?
[15:18] <Dr_willis> CostaRicanQuaker,  technically 'gnu' isent quite an OS..  its a work in progress. From what i recall from gnu.org
[15:18] <Dr_willis> I would say to go gnu.org and read up on it
[15:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> so it-s just a bunch of tools?
[15:19] <Dr_willis> I would say to go gnu.org and read up on it
[15:19] <Dr_willis> For the most part.. yes.
[15:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> is fluxbuntu very different from the rest of the buntus or is it just my perception?
[15:24] <Dr_willis> It should be  Ubuntu - gnome + fluxbox
[15:24] <Dr_willis> the various *buntus are the same foundation.
[15:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i can also install it like xubuntu?
[15:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> Dr_willis, have you tried fluxbuntu?
[15:25] <Dr_willis> if the fluxbuntu guys got the repos set up right you proberly can
[15:25] <Dr_willis> I tried it .. and dident find much point in it.
[15:25] <Dr_willis> If i want fluxbox.. i will install fluxbox
[15:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> was it faster than xubuntu?
[15:26] <Algyz> Hi, how to use administrator mode in kde4 system settings?
[15:27] <Dr_willis> CostaRicanQuaker,  xubuntu uses the full xfce desktop. fluxbuntu - i think just uses fluxbox. Not sure what file manager it even used. I doubt if speed will be noticeablly different on any mondern machine
[15:27] <Dr_willis> I am currently using 'jwm' and the 'rox' desktop/file manager.
[15:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:57] <tzd> how often does kernel update please?
[15:57] <duccio> Hi all..i'm an informatic engineer and i want help open source? what can i do?
[15:58] <Algyz> everything ;)
[15:59] <BluesKaj> duccio, what help do you need for open source ?
[16:00] <duccio> :) i think i can write code, or resolve bugs
[16:00] <DrSilent> a good start would be to look at sourceforge
[16:00] <DrSilent> plenty of open source projects there
[16:01] <duccio> ok...and what to help ubuntu / kubuntu development?
[16:05] <duccio> where is the starting point?
[16:08] <LinuxWorld> 10 PRINT "Hello World"
[16:08] <LinuxWorld> 20 GOTO 10
[16:08] <LinuxWorld> 30 END
[16:08] <LinuxWorld> RUN
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> i also can write code
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> :-D
[16:09] <voice> infinite loop much?
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> haha, this was my first program ever--
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> on the C64
[16:09] <voice> kwl
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> if i remember it well....
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> :-D
[16:09] <voice> :D
[16:14] <tzd> hmm how do i change list of options that appear when i click the middle mouse button please? I've changed it in the past but now i can't find where i do it anymore :/
[16:14] <ubuntu> Bonjour
[16:14] <Algyz> !fr | ubuntu
[16:27] <Red_Wraith> Hello, everyone.
[16:27] <lucypher> Hi
[16:32] <lucypher> I'm actually thinking to "migrate" from Ubuntu to Kubuntu, the only thing that is blocking me is Adept
[16:32] <artur_> hello folks. That little battery showing the percentage of the battery, that use to be near the clock, is not there, i think that it wasn't initialized, what command should i use to init this?
[16:32] <jussi01> lucypher: you can run synaptic no probs on kubuntu
[16:32] <Red_Wraith> lucypher, you can install kde over ubuntu, and then you still have Synaptic.
[16:33] <jussi01> or just install synaptic...
[16:33] <lucypher> I find Adept really unusable and ugly (personal opinion) is there a valid alternative?
[16:33] <lucypher> ok
[16:33] <mitsarionas> artur_: i think it's guidance-power-manager
[16:33] <Red_Wraith> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9369 you can use this to install
[16:34] <lucypher> Can I change the update manager too?
[16:34] <Red_Wraith> ^ @ lucypher
[16:34] <artur_> mitsarionas: you were right! Thnx very much!
[16:34] <Red_Wraith> You still have your old programs, so you can just run it.
[16:34] <mitsarionas> no problem :)
[16:34] <Red_Wraith> ^ @ lucypher
[16:36] <Red_Wraith> The old one, I mean, lucypher. Though I personally like the kubuntu auto updater better.
[16:37] <sigma_12> what about packagekit for kde?
[16:37] <Red_Wraith> Anyway, you'll still be able to run a GNOME session at worst, lucypher, it's in the login menu. So no problem!
[16:38] <sigma_12> they should just replace adept with it
[16:38] <Red_Wraith> sigma_12: I never tried it. Does it come installed or should I get the package?
[16:38] <lucypher> sigma_12 : is there a packagekit for kde (qt)?
[16:39] <sigma_12> its still experimental.
[16:40] <sigma_12> yeah there is but its not in the ubuntu repos. the gnome version is in the repos
[16:41] <Red_Wraith> Ah well, if it's experimental I don't want it. I've had package managers that were STABLE seriously damage my system. Luckily I caught it before it deleted X and repair work was minimal.
[16:42] <Red_Wraith> Thank god the letter x is near the end of the alphabet, rather than the beginning...
[16:42] <sigma_12> just use apt-get. yeah its terminal but gets the job done by far the best way
[16:42] <coreymon77> adept mucks up to much
[16:42] <coreymon77> doing apt-get through terminal has the least chance of crashing
[16:43] <coreymon77> and it is adept crashing mid system upgrade that always sends my computer crazy
[16:44] <sigma_12> inventing adept was like re-inventing the wheel
[16:49] <Coggz> hi, I can't mount any removeable devices for some reason... I get this message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24499/
[16:51] <Coggz> anyhelp?
[16:52] <phoenixz> Is there a way I can configure beagle and updatedb to NOT start doing their updates simultaneously at 10 in the morning when I start my computer?? for the last 20 minutes, my laptop has had a load of 20... cant do a thing here..
[17:00] <utente> fgyfctt
[17:00] <utente> fgg+
[17:00] <utente> ghjj
[17:00] <Red_Wraith> Hello.
[17:00] <utente> salan
[17:03] <Coggz> I can't mount any removeable devices for some reason... I get this message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24499/
[17:16] <slimjimflim> anyone know where the kernel source directory is?
[17:18] <Red_Wraith> Do you mean where the compiled kernel is, or where the source code for the kernel is?
[17:19] <RurouniJones> and website spider programs on Kubuntu?
[17:34] <briggzer> hello everyone, any ideas on installing audio drivers for Reltek AC97 onboard sound. Hardy 8.04 64bit? i thought it was already installed but no sound??
[17:35] <Red_Wraith> Sound drivers are a bit faulty on 8.04. Try searching the ubuntu forums
[17:35] <Red_Wraith> !ubuntu-forums
[17:36] <Red_Wraith> http://ubuntuforums.org/ so much for fancy AI.
[17:37] <Red_Wraith> !ubuntu forums
[17:37] <briggzer> thanks. i've been looking online through google all morning then i remembered about irc, now forums.. duh.
[17:37] <Red_Wraith> !ubuntuforums
[17:37] <Red_Wraith> There we go.
[17:37] <Red_Wraith> Yeah, anyway, there
[17:37] <Red_Wraith> 's a lot of discussion on soundcards there.
[17:38] <briggzer> what about installing thunderbird?
[17:39] <briggzer> i downloaded it.. now I haven't used any linux for well, five years now... but I forgot how to install.
[17:39] <Jucato> briggzer: open up Add/Remove Programs, search for Thunderbird, select, and install
[17:39] <briggzer> i didn't see it there.
[17:39] <Red_Wraith> Try Synaptic.
[17:39] <Red_Wraith> Also, did you activate the restricted repositories?
[17:39] <Jucato> or Adept Manager. or the command line. whatever you do, you don't need to 1) download from their website or 2) compile :)
[17:39] <Jucato> Red_Wraith: they would be enabled by default
[17:40] <briggzer> Jucato, that's right. see. I forgot how everything works.. i did download already, I was just looking to get installed.
[17:40] <briggzer> thanksx.
[17:40] <Red_Wraith> Right, I meant enable "universe".
[17:41] <Xlexic> Does anyone know when KDE5 will release for Kubuntu?
[17:41] <Xlexic> And how much it will cost?
[17:42] <Xlexic> (I mean in memory and MB requirements, not $ of course)
[17:42] <mkargar> hello:how to use debian testing package(for install latest package) in kubuntu?
[17:42] <coreymon77> kde5?!
[17:43] <coreymon77> 4's not even completely stable yet
[17:43] <wad> Hi, guys. Yesterday I watched a co-worker (who is on Vista) do an ALT-TAB. The OS brought up a bunch of windows, tipped at an angle in 3d, and let him page through them until he found the app he was looking for. It was very cool, and looked very useful. When I do ALT-TAB all I get is a list of icons with textual descriptions. Is there any hope of an improved interface sometime soon?
[17:43] <Xlexic> Anyone here from Shiraz?
[17:44] <coreymon77> thats called vista's cheap ripoff of mac os' expose function
[17:44] <Xlexic> coreymon77: No. Windows Vista is less proprietary than Mac.
[17:44] <wad> coreymon77, Okay, sure. Micro$oft always steals good ideas. My point is that I was wanting that function on my beloved Kubuntu. :)
[17:45] <Xlexic> wad: It's just really pathetic how you use a $ sign in your name. And by the way, I'm pretty sure you can enable it using Compiz-Config-Settings manager and use Super+Tab
[17:45] <Jucato> wad:  only if you use Compiz or KDE 4's effects
[17:46] <wad> Ah, okay, cool. Thanks, guys!
[17:46] <Xlexic> Np. Windows still owns.
[17:46] <Jucato> hm..
[17:46] <coreymon77> wad: you realize that what you saw vista do was pretty much just eye candy, the function is the same
[17:46] <wad> Xlexic: You object to my $pelling of Micro$oft with a dollar sign? Ooooh, I'm sooo soooory....
[17:46] <wad> coreymon77, no, the function is not the same.
[17:47] <wad> coreymon77, what I saw showed the actual window contents. What I see requires a mapping of the icon to what I remember of the window contents.
[17:47] <Xlexic> Xlexic: Yeah, that | through it normally refers to money, hence it shows the lack of your primary education
[17:47] <coreymon77> wad: i know what you mean, ive seen it, its a mix of alt+tab and mac os' expose
[17:47] <Jucato> coreymon77: different effect
[17:48] <buntfalke> hi
[17:48]  * Xlexic has Microsoft's latest fire extinguisher just in case of a flame war.
[17:48] <coreymon77> Jucato: it is eyecandy for the most part though
[17:48] <coreymon77> not that i have anything against eye candy
[17:48] <Xlexic> Mac OS Expose is a rip off of compiz.
[17:48] <Jucato> still different. and let them decide what they want
[17:48] <Jucato> Xlexic: Expose came first
[17:48] <buntfalke> how can i restore the home folder of my main-user like it looked right after installation?
[17:48]  * Red_Wraith gets popcorn and gets ready to watch the show.
[17:48] <wad> I guess I'm in the habit of spelling Micro$oft like this to expose my opinion that the company is all about making money, regardless of negative impact to the industry.
[17:48] <coreymon77> Xlexic: hes telling the truth
[17:49] <Jucato> so let's stop talking about which OS ripped which. this is #kubuntu not #discuss-this-or-that-OS
[17:49] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: what does it look like now?
[17:49] <coreymon77> but, who doesnt rip stuff off from other people
[17:49] <buntfalke> Red_Wraith: who cares.
[17:49] <coreymon77> everyone rips off everyone else
[17:49] <wad> Every GUI is a rip off of Xerox PARC. :)
[17:49] <buntfalke> Red_Wraith: different. crap inside. still operational though, of course.
[17:49] <Jucato> buntfalke: you ask a question, someone asks for a clarification, andyou answer "who cares"?
[17:49] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: I don't know how to help you if I don't have enough info. What did it look like, and what does it look like now?
[17:50] <wad> Actually, when there are standards of functionality that work, everyone benefits. Especially when it has to do with usability.
[17:50] <coreymon77> wad: check compiz, maybe it can do it, otherwise, look around
[17:50] <wad> What if the car manufacturers had patented their UI, and didn't let anyone else do things the same way?
[17:50] <buntfalke> Uh, it's like this: I made a backup of another system, installed kubuntu, copied that backed up data into that home folder, and now i want to delete it again, and restore the .bashrc and what so ever else to the state it looks like just after installation
[17:51] <buntfalke> so.
[17:51] <buntfalke> i suppose i delete all the folder contents.
[17:51] <buntfalke> and then what does the installer do besides the bare creation of that user?
[17:51] <wad> One car would have a steering wheel on the right side, with knobs for acceleration, and a lever for a brake. Another would have to do something different, and have a central driver seat, with buttons for brakes, and a knob for the gas. Others would have bicycle pedals for the gas, and the steering wheel on the ceiling... you see my point?
[17:51] <buntfalke> would a simple deluser && adduser do the trick?
[17:52] <Jucato> wad: enough, ok?
[17:52] <buntfalke> (I still dont know why you needed to know what's in there?)
[17:52] <wad> My point being that "rip offs" regarding UI are beneficial.
[17:52] <wad> Okay, I'll go away.
[17:52] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: yes, a new user has a clean home folder.
[17:52] <Jucato> wad: enable desktop effects, ask in #compiz-fusion for that effect
[17:52] <buntfalke> Red_Wraith: thanks. so the installer does no more than "adduser" as well?
[17:52] <wad> Jucato: Thanks.
[17:53] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: I didn't need to know what's in there, but I needed to know exactly what your problem was. I though it could be a problem with the icon, for example.
[17:53] <buntfalke> nono
[17:54] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: Right, I get it now, I was just clarifying.
[17:54] <buntfalke> Hm. Next question would be, if i delete the entire home/user folder, and as user is my "main" user, i will get into trouble doing that deluser adduser thing
[17:54] <buntfalke> i mean...i need to log in after all
[17:54] <buntfalke> hm
[17:54] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: are you in gnome or kde?
[17:54] <buntfalke> uh - terminal if needed :-)
[17:54] <buntfalke> i dont mind
[17:55] <buntfalke> kde, since i am in #kubuntu
[17:55] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: Right, it's just not all people here are, surprisingly.
[17:55] <buntfalke> i could give root a login shell, log in as root, deluser, rm -rf the home/user folder, adduser, and relogin, and set nologin shell for root again
[17:56] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: Anyway, go to System Settings>user management.
[17:56] <buntfalke> oh. never heard of that.
[17:56] <Red_Wraith> And that'll make life much easier for you.
[17:56] <buntfalke> but wont that run into trouble, when i delete the home dir it is belonging to?
[17:56] <buntfalke> hmm
[17:56] <Red_Wraith> First make the new user, and then log in as him, and then delete the old one.
[17:57] <buntfalke> well. i want to recreate the _same_ user
[17:57] <buntfalke> oh. wait. i need another user anyway, and even if not, it would still be esentially the same problem
[17:57] <buntfalke> s/problem/method/
[17:57] <buntfalke> good idea
[17:57] <Red_Wraith> There is no difference between users in linux. As long as you don't have any data you want in the old account, there's no trouble.
[17:58] <buntfalke> well, except for the name, hm? ;-)
[17:58] <Red_Wraith> If there is data, move it to the new user, and then delete everything else in the old one's directory.
[17:58] <buntfalke> i want to keep that name.
[17:58] <buntfalke> anyway, i get the idea of using this gui thingy...let's see if it works cleanly.
[17:59] <Red_Wraith> If you really want to, you can make a new user, delete the old one, and then make another new one with the old name.
[17:59] <buntfalke> yes, that's what i am going to do
[17:59] <Red_Wraith> Okay, good luck. I hope I was of help.
[17:59] <buntfalke> as for root rights, the password of the root user is simply set to the same as the this "main" user, right? so i wont trash my root login by deleting that?
[17:59]  * buntfalke doesnt like this whole sudo and nologin for root anyway
[18:00] <buntfalke> although...might be good for novices so they dont forget to logout after su and dont trash the system every 5 minutes :-D
[18:00] <Red_Wraith> right, since in linux there is no user who is Root/Administrator. You just type the root password.
[18:01] <Red_Wraith> Also, it prevents viruses: nothing can do anything to the system without the password.
[18:01] <Red_Wraith> And the password times out, so there is basically no window of opportunity for a program to do damage.
[18:03] <Red_Wraith> This is because UNIX was built for mainframes with many terminals, and the creators didn't want the crash of a single terminal to mess up the whole system, so system files and personal data are unrelated. That is different from DOS in which the modification of system files by user-end programs is routine, since it was designed for easy to use personal computers.
[18:03] <Red_Wraith> Sorry for the rant.
[18:08] <Coggz> any one who can help
[18:08] <coreymon77> depends on what the problem is
[18:10] <coreymon77> Coggz: tell us what your problem is and we will see if we can help
[18:10] <Coggz> ok, to do with hal i think. various usb removable drives error when i try to mount
[18:10] <Coggz> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
[18:10] <Coggz> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[18:10] <Coggz> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[18:10] <Coggz> dmesg | tail or so
[18:10] <Coggz> like so...
[18:11] <Red_Wraith> Coggz, did you try typing dmesg | tail into console?
[18:12] <Coggz> yes
[18:12] <Red_Wraith> What did you get?
[18:12] <wad> How do I tell what version of kubuntu I'm running?
[18:13] <Jucato> wad: "lsb_release -a"
[18:13]  * wad tries
[18:13] <wad> thanks!
[18:13] <Coggz> ok...
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] 2001888 512-byte hardware sectors (1025 MB)
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000]  sdb: sdb1
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.316000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.316000] sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
[18:14] <coreymon77> !pastebin | Coggz
[18:14] <Coggz> no one else in channel, so if you dont mind, no pastebin
[18:14] <Jucato> we do mind
[18:15] <Coggz> i have been tring to fix for 4 hours,
[18:15] <Coggz> i have work to do...
[18:15] <SidStudios> Anyone know where I can get Ubuntu Goatse Gibbon?
[18:15] <Red_Wraith> Coggz, are you running KDE?
[18:15] <Coggz> i will next time
[18:15] <buntfalke> Red_Wraith: "[19:00] <Red_Wraith> right, since in linux there is no user who is Root/Administrator. You just type the root password." wrong
[18:15] <Coggz> yes
[18:15] <jaakkome> who's the no one else who's not here
[18:15] <SidStudios> I need it because Hairy Hardon won't install my Wireless drivers
[18:16] <coreymon77> SidStudios: and what drivers are those?
[18:16] <buntfalke> Red_Wraith: traditionally you have a dedicated "root" user! just ubuntu doesnt have that. and i kinda gives me the creeps. just as this gui for user administratoin. i do that in the terminal now. there it works as i want it to at least :-)
[18:16] <SidStudios> coreymon77: BCM4311 (Broadcom
[18:16] <Coggz> why do you say goatse?
[18:16] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: to elaborate : go into console and type sudo, and when you give the root password, you can run the program as root.
[18:16] <Coggz> anyways, any one able to decipher/fix my probleM?
[18:16] <coreymon77> SidStudios: and youre telling me that the bcn43xx stuff wont work?
[18:17] <buntfalke> what kind of confused me was, that sudo doesnt want to know the root pwd - it wants to know the pwd of the current user
[18:17] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: Well, did your new user work?
[18:17] <buntfalke> how wierd is that...
[18:17] <SidStudios> coreymon77: Yes, Gutsy had an inbuilt utility inside the restricted drivers manager. This is on my laptop next to me
[18:17] <buntfalke> well - the new user works - but deleting hte old one using gui doesnt.
[18:17] <SidStudios> I'm on Fedora on this one
[18:18] <buntfalke> which doesnt raise my trust in gui administration tools. just as this network manager which just didnt want to create the freaky default route until i rebooted the whole system which reminded my of windows :-)
[18:18] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: you need to click the administrator mode to delete users in the gui.
[18:18] <buntfalke> of course.
[18:18] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: yet another security measure.
[18:18] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: Did you click it before you tried deleting?
[18:18] <buntfalke> then it asks me the question wether i wanna delete the home folder and the group as well, i agree, and nothing happens :-)
[18:19] <buntfalke> sure i did.
[18:19] <buntfalke> red frame around it all
[18:19] <buntfalke> well...terminal will do. i dont care.
[18:19] <Coggz> OK, I cant be bothered anymore, i will just reinstall and start again
[18:19] <Red_Wraith> Hmm... Hang on. I'll try it... Have a useless user anyway.
[18:19] <Red_Wraith> dunno, worked for me.
[18:19] <buntfalke> naa, i go back there now, fix that crap, and be done with this notebook from now on. i wont ever see this box again anyway.
[18:19] <buntfalke> well. didnt for me.
[18:20] <buntfalke> just deleted the data, but not the user.
[18:20] <davide> quit
[18:20] <Red_Wraith> You might have accidentally unchecked the second box.
[18:20] <Red_Wraith> Oh well, the command line works, right?
[18:20] <Red_Wraith> So no problem.
[18:21] <Coggz> can someone please help...
[18:21] <Red_Wraith> Coggz, if you're running kde, the windows partition can be mounted in a different way.
[18:23] <Coggz> i dont think you understand, i cant mount any usb device... only as root. It sticks up that message then does nil all
[18:23] <Red_Wraith> Oh...Sorry, I thought you had a different problem. Well, yours is a bit cryptic, so I'm afraid I probably can't help. Sorry.
[18:23] <Coggz> do you understand the problem?
[18:24] <Coggz> oh
[18:25] <Coggz> ok, what are you like with apt problems
[18:26] <coreymon77> !ask | Coggz
[18:26] <Red_Wraith> Hey, does anyone know where KDE's system:/media is located in the main filesystem?
[18:26] <Coggz> ok, tzdata wont configure and has stopped apt from working
[18:27] <Coggz> yes, /media/
[18:27] <Red_Wraith> No, it isn't. That's what confuses me.
[18:27] <coreymon77> any error message coggz?
[18:27] <Coggz> yes, 1 mo
[18:28] <Coggz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24520/
[18:29] <coreymon77> ouch
[18:29] <Coggz> ya
[18:29] <coreymon77> sorry, i have no clue
[18:29] <Coggz> i cant install anything
[18:29] <coreymon77> thats beyond my knowledge
[18:30] <Coggz> kk
[18:32] <Red_Wraith> Coggz, did you try the ubuntu forums?
[18:32] <Red_Wraith> !ubuntuforums
[18:32] <LordTaeleon> heyo
[18:32] <LordTaeleon> anyone home?
[18:32] <Red_Wraith> Yeah.
[18:32] <LordTaeleon> :D
[18:33] <LordTaeleon> I've just loaded kubuntu on my laptop and I'm trying to figure out how to get the beast online
[18:33] <LordTaeleon> I've just go no idea how it works :P
[18:33] <LordTaeleon> I'm a n00b XD
[18:33] <Red_Wraith> So uh, anyone know where Kubuntu's system:/media is on the root filesystem?
[18:33] <Red_Wraith> LordTaeleon: What exactly is the problem?
[18:35] <Coggz> !util-linux
[18:36] <LordTaeleon> Anyone around for Networking support?
[18:36] <Red_Wraith> LordTaeleon: What exactly is the problem?
[18:37] <LordTaeleon> here or PM?
[18:37] <Red_Wraith> Anywhere you like.
[18:38] <LordTaeleon> kk
[18:38] <LordTaeleon> quite simply
[18:38] <LordTaeleon> I don't know what I'm doing
[18:38] <Red_Wraith> Alright. Now, did you try running a browser?
[18:38] <LordTaeleon> ok.... I'm not bad lol
[18:40] <Red_Wraith> LordTaeleon: Try running a browser, your connection may have been setup automatically.
[18:40] <LordTaeleon> lol
[18:40] <LordTaeleon> it didn't
[18:40] <LordTaeleon> What I'm trying to figure out is how to manually set up the connection
[18:40] <Red_Wraith> Okay. That's settled. Now, go to System>Administration>Networking.
[18:42] <LordTaeleon> mmm - I would have expected to automatically pick up that its plugged into the router :S
[18:42] <LordTaeleon> but nothing is there at all
[18:51] <helpy> can i use xfce with ubuntu ?
[18:51] <helpy> gnome and kde both are tooo heavy
[18:51] <helpy> i want it to be lightening faast
[18:51] <dwidmann> helpy: feel free
[18:51] <dwidmann> helpy: also try fluxbox :)
[18:51] <helpy> i hate kde's slow stuff
[18:51] <helpy> you use fluxbox ?
[18:52] <jussi01> !xubuntu
[18:52] <helpy> i know about xubuntu
[18:52] <jussi01> !fluxbuntu
[18:52] <jussi01> :)
[18:52] <helpy> hehe thanks
[18:52] <helpy> my kubuntu has done me bad.
[18:52] <jaakkome> Amarok (xine engine) doesn't work with alsa anymore. ("xine was unable to initialise any audio drivers"). What's up with that?
[18:52] <helpy> i installed it three times in 48 hours and updated
[18:52] <helpy> jaakkome try vlc
[18:52] <helpy> forget amarok :)
[18:52] <Coggz> can you help me fix a problem with mounting usb devices. None will mount unless im root. How can i fix this?
[18:53] <Coggz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24499/
[18:53] <dwidmann> jaakkome: try closing amarok, deleting your ~/.xine folder, and restarting amarok
[18:54] <dwidmann> helpy: I would say I use fluxbox on occasion
[18:54] <helpy> what do you use mainly ?
[18:54] <helpy> gnome or kde ?
[18:54] <dwidmann> kde :)
[18:54] <jaakkome> dwidmann: didn't seem to work
[18:54] <helpy> i hear kde4 is future and it gives me goose bumps
[18:55] <dwidmann> it is the future, but it looks like it's hitting every pothole on its long road to becoming ... but that's okay ... so long as it gets there eventually
[18:56] <dwidmann> jaakkome: one sec while I dig up the bug on it ...
[18:56] <dwidmann>  bug 68187
[18:58] <jaakkome> dwidmann: that doesn't seem to be it. I can use OSS on Amarok and the xine player thing doesn't work with alsa either.
[19:02] <dwidmann> jaakkome: that bug seems to be a recurring one with possibly multiple causes. I thas been open/confirmed for two whole years now
[19:02] <dwidmann> well, I lied
[19:02] <dwidmann> not two whole years ... but working on it
[19:04] <desmond> hey
[19:04] <desmond> im not new to linux but its my first time on kubuntu
[19:04] <desmond> any programs or codes to run to make it better?
[19:05] <tcpsyn> Is the PPA repo hosed at the moment?
[19:05] <desmond> ppa?
[19:05] <coreymon77> desmond: run better? could you be any more descriptive?
[19:05] <desmond> to run to make it better
[19:05] <desmond> e.g. like get firefox or epiphany over konq
[19:06] <desmond> or get vlc media player
[19:06] <tcpsyn> desmond, yeah, http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[19:06] <coreymon77> erm
[19:06] <desmond> oh i know that one
[19:06] <coreymon77> hardy wasnt released with kde standard
[19:06] <desmond> i know
[19:06] <coreymon77> i mean
[19:06] <coreymon77> kde4
[19:06] <coreymon77> typo
[19:06] <desmond> i tried the kde4 only install
[19:06] <desmond> but it didnt work
[19:07] <coreymon77> desmond: im taking it you dont know what apt is correct?
[19:07] <desmond> no i do
[19:07] <desmond> i know how to get the stuff
[19:07] <desmond> im just wondering if theres anything i should do or missed
[19:07] <coreymon77> so, install firefox, and vlc
[19:07] <coreymon77> using apt
[19:07] <desmond> i did
[19:07] <coreymon77> simple
[19:08] <desmond> those were examples
[19:08] <desmond> cause you didnt understand what i was saying
[19:10] <apachelogger> hm
[19:10] <coreymon77> so, what are you saying
[19:10] <apachelogger> desmond: I take it you think firefox is better than konqueror
[19:10] <desmond> no
[19:10] <apachelogger> and vlc better than $xinebackend
[19:10] <desmond> i think epiphany is better
[19:10] <apachelogger> well
[19:10] <apachelogger> my point is
[19:10] <apachelogger> that is YOUR opinion
[19:10] <desmond> well let me rephrase
[19:10] <apachelogger> I could tell you install lynx, it makes browsing way faster
[19:10] <desmond> what are YOUR opinions
[19:11] <apachelogger> which would be a very valid suggestion
[19:11] <desmond> epiphany is the fastest ive seen
[19:11] <desmond> lynx you say?
[19:11] <desmond> ima going to see
[19:11] <apachelogger> desmond: epiphany, as in the current version is _as_ fast _as_ firefox
[19:11] <apachelogger> it's using the very same rendering engine
[19:12] <desmond> but it seems less bloated]
[19:13] <coreymon77> so, what is it that you are looking for desmond?
[19:13] <desmond> idk
[19:14] <phiberoptik> salon kubuntu français svp??
[19:14] <coreymon77> !fr | phiberoptik
[19:14] <phiberoptik> merci
[19:14] <katka> je tu nekdo z ceské republiky
[19:15] <katka> CZE
[19:15] <coreymon77> !cz | katka
[19:15] <desmond> oh come on
[19:15] <apachelogger> hm
[19:15] <desmond> i was about to get that
[19:15] <apachelogger> #kubuntu - gateway to the languages :D
[19:15] <coreymon77> :)
[19:16] <desmond> hey
[19:16] <desmond> how do i change stuff in the kde menu
[19:17] <desmond> nvm got it
[19:27] <andriijas> does kopete work with kubuntu and kde4?
[19:37] <ScorpKing> hi guys. is there a way to use a html page as the background in kde3?
[19:37] <dwidmann> andriijas: last i checked, yes
[19:38] <mot> kde4-config
[19:38] <mot> is supposedly in kde4libs-dev
[19:38] <mot> i don't see it.
[19:38] <ScorpKing> hiya dwidmann :)
[19:38] <shane__> hey is kde4 more stable yet
[19:39] <dwidmann> How's it going ScorpKing?
[19:39] <dwidmann> shane__: it's working on it, kde 4.1 beta 2 has made nice progress.
[19:39] <dwidmann> shane__: and 4.1 should be released in about 3-4 weeks
[19:40] <shane__> another 3-4
[19:41] <shane__> k ill wait a month and then put it in
[19:41] <neospd> Who can help me to install Ati HD 2400
[19:42] <neospd> please write me to private
[19:42] <neospd> Who can help me to install Ati HD 2400
[19:43] <coreymon77> umm, install a hard drive?
[19:43] <coreymon77> just stick the thing in the computer
[19:43] <coreymon77> and format it
[19:43] <coreymon77> oh wait
[19:43] <coreymon77> thats a vid card
[19:43] <coreymon77> whoops
[19:43] <coreymon77> hehe
[19:43] <dwidmann> I wonder if
[19:43] <dwidmann> !ati
[19:43] <dwidmann> would be useful
[19:45] <neospd> i read many manuals, try it, not good results
[19:45] <neospd> (sorry for my bad english)
[19:46] <neospd> i need help
[19:46] <neospd> in ubuntu all works very good, but no good working OpenGL programs - Image Blinking
[19:47] <neospd> help
[19:50] <neospd> Please enybody help me! Big trouble with Ati HD2400 ! In ubuntu all works very good, but no good working OpenGL programs - Image Blinking
[19:51] <neospd> Please enybody help me! Big trouble with Ati HD2400 ! In ubuntu all works very good, but no good working OpenGL programs - Image Blinking
[19:53] <neospd> Please enybody help me! Big trouble with Ati HD2400 ! In ubuntu all works very good, but no good working OpenGL programs - Image Blinking
[19:54] <mot> what's the latest version of kde in the 8.04 repos?
[19:54] <neospd> yes
[19:54] <imboscat> Blender expert needed , when i use blender 2.46 i can't use button N to set transition effect...
[19:55] <neospd> blinking Blender, Wine, Cedega
[19:55] <neospd> but all visual Gnome Extra effects is working
[19:56] <dwidmann> neospd: maybe something along the lines of sync to vblank would help if such a thing is available and presently turned off
[19:56] <neospd> screen resolution OK, ver. Ati card - True
[19:57] <neospd> what i must to do
[19:57] <neospd> screen very hard blinking
[19:58] <neospd> how I can remove blinking?
[19:59] <neospd> Please enybody help me! Big trouble with Ati HD2400 ! In ubuntu all works very good, but no good working OpenGL programs - Image Blinking
[19:59] <LordTaeleon2> THANKS RED_WRAITH!!
[19:59] <LordTaeleon2> Anyone else around for an evil networking issue?
[19:59] <Red_Wraith> Bye.
[20:00] <Red_Wraith> Try #ubuntu also.
[20:00] <Coggz> hi all
[20:01] <dwidmann> !repeat | neospd
[20:01] <LordTaeleon2> anyone available for an evil networking issue?
[20:01] <dwidmann> LordTaeleon2: what sort of evil networking issue?
[20:03] <cap|com> is someone here using a "Acer Travelmate 6592G" notebook with kubuntu? are there some known problems concerning hardware/bios/etc?
[20:04] <psycose> is it possible to get a deb package for gcc-4.3 in hardy ? thanks
[20:05] <Coggz> ok, i have a problem with mounting usb removable drives... http://paste.ubuntu.com/24499/ is the error message i get when i try to mount. This applies to many devices, not just one stick. Anyone got any ideas??
[20:07] <ijacek> !cz
[20:08] <tkostov> Hi all! I`ve installed kubuntu but decided to put the ppa repo for kde 4.1 so I`ve puted it into sources.list and apt-get update && upgrade but i`ve recived the following error
[20:08] <francarlos> alguem do brasil pode me dar uma ajuda?
[20:08] <ubunturos> !br
[20:08] <tkostov> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4%3a4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa8_i386.deb (--unpack):
[20:08] <neospd> how i can disable full screen redirect?
[20:08] <tkostov> so i don`t know how to fix and contue upgrading
[20:09] <tkostov> the last time - for 5 ot 6 days i found something in google but now i can`t
[20:09] <tkostov> any ideas
[20:10] <Coggz> ok, i have a problem with mounting usb removable drives... http://paste.ubuntu.com/24499/ is the error message i get when i try to mount. This applies to many devices, not just one stick. Anyone got any ideas??
[20:17] <dwidmann> Which package would /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname be setup by?
[20:20] <afakan> selam
[20:21] <afakan> wine konusunda yardımcı olabilecek war mı?
[20:21] <afakan> hi how is install wine emulator?
[20:22] <emilsedgh> afakan: go to menu->System ->Adept Manager
[20:22] <emilsedgh> afakan: and search for wine
[20:22] <emilsedgh> and right click on it
[20:22] <emilsedgh> and press install
[20:22] <emilsedgh> !tr | afakan
[20:22] <RiCi12> or
[20:22] <rockprincess> hi guys! i have a HUGE problem, since I ran the apt updates today, my xserver has restarted AUTOMATICALLY (without me doing anything) three times now.....out of the blue....any ideas?
[20:22] <RiCi12> sudo apt-get install wine
[20:23] <afakan> what name is ubuntu turkish room name?
[20:23] <Schorfi> #ubuntu-tr
[20:24] <afakan> ......
[20:25] <afakan> ...
[20:25] <sourcemaker> does kubuntu use an open source cms to provide all the information on there homepage?
[20:26] <jussi01> sourcemaker: ask ryanakca
[20:26] <sourcemaker> ryanakca: does kubuntu use an open source cms to provide all the information on there homepage?
[20:37] <rockprincess> hi guys! i have a HUGE problem, since I ran the apt updates today, my xserver has restarted AUTOMATICALLY (without me doing anything) three times now.....out of the blue....any ideas?
[20:37] <WaY> hello
[20:37] <WaY> does anybody knows how to fit the transition to libplasma2 when installing a new widget?
[20:37] <WaY> all widgets depends on libplasma1
[20:37] <asraniel_> hi there. is there a way to delete the stored passwords for a certain wireless network from network manager?
[20:40] <Nece228> i tweaked my kubuntu and now it uses 90 mb of ram :]
[20:41] <Nece228> now kde 3.5 uses less memory than xubuntu
[20:42] <dwidmann> Nece228: so what all did you change?
[20:43] <Nece228> turned off some daemons
[20:43] <tdn> I want to run a script each time a USB storage device is inserted. Can you help me on how to approach this?
[20:43] <dwidmann> I think I'm sitting at 680MiB
[20:45] <asraniel_> anybody knows where knetworkmanager stores it's config files?
[20:46] <rockprincess> asraniel_: probably .kde/apps/share/config ?!
[20:47] <asraniel_> rockprincess: jeah just found it, thank you!
[20:47] <rockprincess> asraniel_: was it in there?
[20:48] <asraniel_> rockprincess: nearly
[20:49] <asraniel_> rockprincess: but i just saw that kwallet actualy stores the info i need, the network passwords
[20:49] <rockprincess> asraniel_: true, havent thought about it
[20:49] <asraniel_> rockprincess: and that kwallet has an interface to delete modify all stored passwords!
[20:49] <rockprincess> yeah
[20:52] <Nece228> if u wanna check ur ram usage a good tool is conky, sudo apt-get install conky
[21:00] <s-casabrasil> join #debian-br
[21:03] <briggzer> has anyone else had trouble with snd and  nVidia High Definition Audio MCP51 ??  I tried ubuntu forum to no avail, I've been looking in forums and researching all day, still haven't found any fixes... any ideas?
[21:07] <liam> Hi all
[21:09] <dwidmann> briggzer: I'd start here: nvidia hda mcp51
[21:09] <dwidmann> crud, wrong copy+paste
[21:09] <dwidmann> http://www.google.com/search?q=nvidia%20hda%20mcp51&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[21:09] <dwidmann> there we go
[21:12] <_dennister> how do i enable the libapache2-mod-auth-mysql module? sudo a2enmod ???
[21:15] <_dennister> i've tried almost everything i can think of, and while docs tell u how to enable mod_ssl, it doesn't tell me how to enable the libapache2-mnod...
[21:22] <TCA> hi..
[21:22] <pim> What does this mean: cp: omitting directory `/home/pim/Gedownload/Kalmah - For The Revolution/' ?
[21:27] <ryanakca> sourcemaker: yes, we use Drupal
[21:28] <sourcemaker> ryanakca: thanks
[21:28] <sourcemaker> ryanakca: is drupal better than ezpublish? any experience?
[21:31] <mitsarionas> hi
[21:33] <mitsarionas> does anyone have a problem with (gtk apps i think) checkboxes?
[21:34] <mitsarionas> like in firefox, when i tick a checkbox it becomes highlighted but the tick inside doesn't show :(
[21:35] <tom__> i have a problem with the radio buttons
[21:35] <tom__> if they're focused, they disappear completely
[21:35] <__kamz> i have a similar problem with the checkboxes - can't seem to fix them using the system settings
[21:36]  * tom__ is heading for bed
[21:36] <tom__> it took me 5 bloody (realy bloody) hours to set up vmware server
[21:37] <mitsarionas> :(
[21:37] <mitsarionas> i think it only happens when using qtcurve
[21:39] <__kamz> yeah i noticed that too - but with other styles things look REALLY weird, so i left it as it was
[21:41] <Nece228> i used qtcurve an had no problems
[21:41] <mitsarionas> do you use gtk apps?
[21:41] <Nece228> yeah
[21:41] <[Relic]> Just made a new install on a new HD, is there a way to copy *ALL* information from the old HD to the new HD instead of having to reinstall everything?
[21:41] <LiNuxBaBe> i'm running kubuntu 8.04,, installed ndiswrapper,, but if I try to connect with wifi-radar he won't get an ip-adress.. Dmesg output says ndiswrapper:: key 1 not set
[21:42] <mitsarionas> :S
[21:43] <Nece228> but when i installed my first gtk app i had polyester style
[21:44] <mitsarionas> polyester doesn't seem to have any problems...though i dig qtcurve more...
[21:44] <mitsarionas> have you changed any options in qtcurve?
[21:45] <dennis_p> i can move windows from one desktop to one of the other 4.
[21:45] <__kamz> no, all qtcurve options are default
[21:45] <__kamz> you're right though, seems to work okay with polyester
[21:45] <dennis_p> anyone know if i can drag a window from one display to another?
[21:46] <mitsarionas> :S anyway..gotta go...
[21:46] <mitsarionas> cya
[21:46] <Nece228> bye
[21:46] <__kamz> cheers
[21:46] <Nece228> i like polyester style
[21:46] <alexei_> Hi, I am new to kubuntu. How do I install lyx-1.5.5 from hardy-backports?
[21:47] <Nece228> its clean and beatiful in same moment, and i like button animations of polyester :]
[21:47] <__kamz> its alright, but i'm kind of attached to qt after all this time
[21:50] <Nece228> i still see problems watching youtube in konqueror or opera or any other qt based web browser
[21:50] <Nece228> in firefox everythinks fine
[21:50] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: common problem...
[21:51] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: 32bit? or 64?
[21:51] <Nece228> 32 bit
[21:52] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: try this: download the tarball from adobe (http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz) and extract it. but ignore the instructions. i will tell you what to do...
[21:52] <tom__> what can i use to view .wmv files?
[21:52] <Odd-rationale> tom__: kaffeine
[21:52] <whileimhere> hi. Is there any real difference between synaptic and Adept Updater? What if I have started with one and switch to the other?
[21:52] <Odd-rationale> tom__: but first install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:53] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: i think i tried this type
[21:53] <Odd-rationale> whileimhere: no, they are both frontends to apt
[21:53] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: have you extracted it already?
[21:53] <whileimhere> ahh okay
[21:53] <whileimhere> Thanks!
[21:53] <Nece228> yeah
[21:53] <tom__> thanks
[21:53] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: yes
[21:54] <whileimhere> Is Super Karamba worth using as a panel alternative?
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> Nece228:  ok. now create a folder ~/.netscape/plugins
[21:54] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: i tried this type
[21:54] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: but it didnt help
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: ok. didn't work?
[21:54] <blistov_> arg. i have a bcm4310, using the b43-fwcutter.  It WAS working, until I reinstalled it, and now i get a bunch of errors during modprobe, with regards to wl: unknown symbol bcm_x.x.x
[21:54] <blistov_> any ideas?
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: what dod you do after that?
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> did
[21:55] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: well, when i had installed from that, youtube worked, but when i restarted computer it dont worked again
[21:56] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: hmm. did you put the libflashplayer.so in the ~/.netscape/plugins folder?
[21:57] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: yeah, i did everythink good
[21:57] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: you still there?
[21:57] <tom__> Odd-rationale:  worked just fine ... it seems firefox has a few problems with opening files
[21:57] <Odd-rationale> ok
[21:57] <tom__> thanks again
[21:57] <Odd-rationale> tom__: np
[21:58] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: as i sayd after your instructions everythink worked fine, until i restarted computer
[21:58] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: then went to konqueror --> settings --> configure konqueror --> plugins and made sure that $HOME/.netscape/plugins was on the top of the list. and then scanned for new plugins?
[21:58] <Odd-rationale> did you do that?
[21:59] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: yes, i did that correctly
[21:59] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: hmm. did you go to the plugins tab and make sure that it shows that it detected the plugin?
[22:00] <Nece228> yes it detected
[22:00] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: hmm. dunno. that *should* work...
[22:00] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: sayd that there is netscape plugin or somethink
[22:04] <blistov_> anyone?
[22:04] <blistov_> wl bcm43xx driver not working.
[22:04] <blistov_> after reinstalling.
[22:04] <blistov_> unknown sybols for all sorts of stuff.
[22:05] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: are you using bcm43xx or b43 ?
[22:05] <dwidmann> "[16:54] <blistov_> arg. i have a bcm4310, using the b43-fwcutter.  It WAS working, until I reinstalled it, and now i get a bunch of errors during modprobe, with regards to wl: unknown symbol bcm_x.x.x" if it's not broken ... don't fix/reinstall it?
[22:08] <Freddy2> hi
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> !hi | Freddy2
[22:09] <Freddy2> anyone not being able to make a multiple file selection (non contigous) in konqueror @ kde 3.5.9? (hardy)
[22:09] <Freddy2> is there any way to fix this?
[22:09] <Freddy2> thx
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> Freddy2: use ctrl
[22:10] <Freddy2> i mean, having problems when using ctrl xD
[22:10] <basy> hi, which ICQ client can send and recive files ? on kubuntu KDE 3.5.9.. ?
[22:10] <Odd-rationale> basy: kopete ?
[22:10] <Odd-rationale> Freddy2: why? what happens?
[22:11] <blistov_> dwidmann_laptop: thats not really an answer at all.
[22:11] <Freddy2> if you make a multiple selection with shift then you can unselect with ctrl, but from scratch if you try to make a multiple selection with ctrl it simply selects the second file, and unselects the first one
[22:11] <blistov_> thats just being a dick, and there's nothing constructive about that.
[22:11] <basy> Odd-rationale: i can't send file with kopete, only kopete on KDE 4.... can send files :(
[22:12] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: are you using bcm43xx or b43 ?
[22:12] <blistov_> either or.
[22:12] <basy> Odd-rationale: and licq can't connect :(
[22:12] <blistov_> doesn't matter.
[22:12] <Odd-rationale> Freddy2: hmm. it shouldn't be that way. idk...
[22:12] <Freddy2> sure
[22:12] <blistov_> Odd-rationale:  both seem to give me the same error
[22:13] <Odd-rationale> basy: dunno then... kde4.1 will be out soon...
[22:13] <Freddy2> i can try to disable compiz.. it may be the problem, but..
[22:14] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: you can try deleting the files in /lib/firmware. and cutting the drivers again....
[22:14] <sinan> hi
[22:14] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: then unload and try reloading the module.
[22:14] <sinan> I need a good image viewer for my kubuntu
[22:14] <blistov_> Did that.
[22:15] <sinan> any suggestions?
[22:15] <blistov_> Odd-rationale:  Also reinstalled the kernel modules
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> sinan: gqenview
[22:15] <Freddy2> gwenview
[22:15] <sinan> Odd-rationale: I didn't like gwenview
[22:15] <Freddy2> you can try digikam
[22:16] <blistov_> Odd-rationale: what is the driver supposed to be called?  The kernel comes with a bcm43xx.ko as well, and I do not see a new one, after installing bcm43xx-fwcutter
[22:16] <Odd-rationale> Freddy2: thanks for correction...
[22:16] <sinan> Freddy2: Ok I will try
[22:16] <sinan> Freddy2: I need a basic image viewer like Gnome has
[22:16] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: also be aware tha you can only have one of the bcm34xx, b43, or b43-legacy loaded at a time
[22:16] <Freddy2> simple viewer? kuickshow, or kview
[22:17] <sinan> Freddy2: Ok
[22:17] <sinan> Freddy2: Kview, sounds good ^^
[22:17] <EagleScreen> hello people, i have a camera that uses USB Mass storage, for copy photos to computer, it works in Ubuntu and als in Debian+KDE, but not in Kubuntu
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: b43-fwcutter is the newest. bcm43xx is being depreciated...
[22:17] <edju> What's the kde equivalent of gnome's "System → Administration → Device Manager"?
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> edju: kmenu --> system --> kcontrol
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> ?
[22:19] <EagleScreen> in Ubuntu anjd debian, dmesg attach a disk dev as sdd1 to the camera, in Kubuntu dmesg does not it
[22:24] <blistov_> Odd-rationale: I completely removed bcm43xx-fwcutter and b43-fwcutter, as well as the respective firmware, then reinstalled b43-fwcutter, and cut the firmware. the b43.ko was created, but when i modprobe it, no device appears.
[22:24] <blistov_> Any ideas?
[22:26] <alexei_> hi
[22:26] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: did you remove all the other modules? bcm43xx and b43-legacy?
[22:26] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: you are checking with iwconfig? correct?
[22:26] <blistov_> yes.
[22:26] <blistov_> and yes
[22:27] <Freddy2> there are other 2 "yes" remaining XD
[22:27] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: then try removing the b43 module (sudo modprobe -r b43) and loading the b43-legacy module
[22:27] <dennis_p> sinan: only gwenview has proper fullscreen simple picture display without stupid borders.
[22:27] <blistov_> Odd-rationale: stil no dice.
[22:27] <blistov_> neither driver registers with any hardware.
[22:28] <blistov_> Its a broadcom bcm4310
[22:28] <blistov_> WAS working.
[22:28] <blistov_> And I'm still getting the unknown symbols for wl:
[22:29] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: then you might have to try using the bcm43xx-fwcutter. you wont have to uninstall b43 or remove the files in /lib/firmware. just make sure you don't have both modules loaded and it should be fine...
[22:30] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: also, be aware that b43-fwcutter and bcm43xx-fwcutter have different wl_apsta.o files that they cut...
[22:31] <blistov_> Odd-rationale: when I install the bcm43-fwcutter, it does not create a ko
[22:32] <Odd-rationale> here is the file i use for my BCM4306: http://xeve.de/down/wl_apsta.o
[22:32] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: you mean when you cut the firmware it doesn't create the file?
[22:32] <blistov_> It doesn't create a bcm43xx.ko
[22:32] <blistov_> there is one that ships with the 2.6.24-19-generic kernel.
[22:33] <blistov_> the bcm43xx-fwcutter simply cuts the firmware.
[22:33] <blistov_> modprobeing the driver ... does nothing.  a strace shows that its not even probing for hardware.
[22:34] <blistov_> Odd-rationale: i'm starting to suspect my wireless card is being retarded.
[22:35] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: could be... is it built in? usb? or pcmia?
[22:35] <blistov_> usb, internal.
[22:35] <blistov_> brand new laptop.
[22:35] <blistov_> worked until this morning
[22:35] <Odd-rationale> brand new? cool! what laptop did you get?
[22:36] <blistov_> New HP pavilion dv2500.  turion 64 x2 tl-62 2.1GHz, 4GB ram at 1666, 1666 fsb, 320GB 7200RPM
[22:37] <blistov_> I think the dv2500 line is the only laptop worth buying right now.
[22:37] <blistov_> Only $900
[22:37] <blistov_> CAD
[22:37] <blistov_> only qualm i have is with the broadcom wireless.
[22:38] <DarkriftX> yuck
[22:38] <DarkriftX> 34xx?
[22:38] <Odd-rationale> 43xx
[22:38] <DarkriftX> er,m, yeah
[22:38] <blistov_> Yea, makes me angry
[22:38] <DarkriftX> fingers moving too fast
[22:38] <DarkriftX> thts what i have
[22:39] <blistov_> I don't want to use ndis, cause I need promisuous mode.
[22:39] <blistov_> and ndis doesn't recover well from s3 states
[22:39] <hyper_ch> hiho, I just tried compiz on kde 3.5.x on hardy.... works so far except, that I can't move applications to "different" desktops
[22:39] <Odd-rationale> my broadcom works just fine...
[22:41] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: pretty slick looking laptop though. I want to get a new one. Pretty sick of this old 600 Mhz lappy...
[22:41] <blistov_> haha.
[22:41] <blistov_> I just built myself a new gaming rig as well, but realised i have much more important things to be doing than gaming.
[22:41] <blistov_> :(
[22:41] <blistov_> So i'm selling the new rig, and switching back to a lappy.
[22:42] <blistov_> fucking 10GHz, 4GB@2000MHz, 2.9TB raid10
[22:42] <blistov_> :)
[22:42] <blistov_> biiiig case.
[22:42] <Odd-rationale> i used to have a toshiba tecra m4 tablet pc... with 2 gb of ram... but the motherboard broke... so i'm stuck with what i got...
[22:43] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: turn it into a sever :)
[22:43] <Odd-rationale> server
[22:43] <blistov_> I already have lots of servers.
[22:43] <blistov_> Real servers. :)
[22:43] <Odd-rationale> oh. ok...
[22:44] <blistov_> The desktop is single user fast, but nothing for multiuser.
[22:44] <blistov_> Bus is too narrow on pc's.
[22:44] <blistov_> arg.
[22:44] <blistov_> ok, so the wl starts, but gets a whole string now, of unknown symbols.
[22:45] <Bastu> Hey! When i recently started my computer my HDD configuration was totally screwed up... all my harddrives had new names and that *** up my fstab, what gives? Can i specify my hdd names anyway? I had just added a new harddrive to the fstab but not much else had been done to the system
[22:45] <blueray> hey guys
[22:45] <blueray> is netfilter the ip list firewall for kubuntu?
[22:47] <rbrunhuber> I have a oddness I cannot surf but chatting over kopete works fine. I use hardy and connect to unsecured wlan via knetworkmanager.
[22:47] <Nece228> ive installed kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:47] <Nece228> and java works only in firefox
[22:47] <Nece228> what i need to do that itll work on konqueror?
[22:48] <rbrunhuber> name resolution works find because i can ping most pages via hostname
[22:49] <blistov_> arg, this is making me insane.
[22:49] <blistov_> neither the bcm43xx or b43 will work.
[22:50] <blistov_> i'm wondering if they don't work with an updated version of wireless tools or the2.6.24-19 kernel.
[22:51] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: in Settings --> configure konqueror --> java, try enabling the use kio checkbox. then restart konq. But even then, it doesn't work 100%. so... use firefox... :)
[22:51] <blueray> is netfilter the ip list firewall for kubuntu?
[22:52] <ImperialJester> Odd-ratinale beat me to it...
[22:52] <afakan> selam
[22:52] <Odd-rationale> ImperialJester: :P
[22:53] <afakan> how is setup wine?
[22:53] <afakan> pls help me
[22:53] <afakan> i see in the folder more files
[22:53] <ImperialJester> How to set up wine?
[22:53] <Odd-rationale> !wine
[22:53] <afakan> yep
[22:53] <Odd-rationale> see also #wine
[22:53] <afakan> ow ow ow ty
[22:53] <shadshodao> hi aLL
[22:53] <afakan> ubottu:)
[22:54] <Odd-rationale> !thanks | afakan
[22:55] <blistov_> http://pastebin.com/m44c08bcd
[22:55] <blistov_> thats my dmesg output when the b43 driver tries to load
[22:55] <blistov_> or rather, ieee80211
[22:55] <Colonel_Panic> hey everyvody
[22:55] <Colonel_Panic> I'm having some trouble with Firefox
[22:56] <ImperialJester> What's the problem?
[22:56] <Colonel_Panic> Youtube videos and other Flash content won't play all the way through
[22:56] <Colonel_Panic> it starts, gets a few seconds in then stops
[22:56] <ImperialJester> Connection...?
[22:56] <Odd-rationale> Colonel_Panic: maybe it is you internet connection...
[22:57] <ImperialJester> Is it just laggy, or has it been like this for the last 30 years?
[22:57] <Colonel_Panic> it looks like it's still streaming the information, but the Flash content doesn't continue playing
[22:57] <Colonel_Panic> no, it isn't my Internet connection
[22:57] <Odd-rationale> ImperialJester: great mind think alike, eh?
[22:57] <Colonel_Panic> this just started after I did the most recent Adept updates
[22:58] <ImperialJester> yeah.
[22:58] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: i actually need a path where is java installed
[22:58] <ImperialJester> hrm...
[22:59] <Colonel_Panic> guess maybe I'll try rebooting?
[22:59] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: try "which java"
[22:59] <Odd-rationale> in terminal
[22:59] <Colonel_Panic> the same thing happened before when I upgraded to Firefox 3
[22:59] <ImperialJester> Can someone please tell me how to get my nick a different color?
[23:00] <alexei_> hello, what is the status/policy with hardy-backports? I want to pull newer lyx-1.5.5 from there, but aptitude wants toupgrade QT as well. I fear dll-hell...
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> Colonel_Panic: that is done in you irc client....
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> your
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> whoops
[23:00] <Colonel_Panic> what?
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> ImperialJester: i mean...
[23:00] <ImperialJester> okay.
[23:00] <Colonel_Panic> yeah change it in your settings
[23:00] <ImperialJester> Thanks.
[23:00] <Colonel_Panic> anybody haver any other ideas?
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: wassup?
[23:01] <Colonel_Panic> Youtube videos and other Flash content won't play all the way through
[23:01] <Colonel_Panic> it starts, gets a few seconds in then stops
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: what broswer and what architecture?
[23:01] <Colonel_Panic> it looks like it's still streaming the information, but the Flash content never resumes playing
[23:02] <Colonel_Panic> Firefox 2.0.0.14
[23:02] <tabe3> hello
[23:02] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: thanks mate, now its working
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: what architecture?
[23:02] <Colonel_Panic> I'm running an Intel CoreDuo Extreme
[23:03] <tabe3> my kubuntu installation freezes at 91% in vbox. i have tried vmware along with redownloading from 3 diff mirrors
[23:03] <Colonel_Panic> ASUS mobo
[23:03] <Colonel_Panic> 2GB RAM
[23:03] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: np
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: is it 64bit
[23:03] <Colonel_Panic> yes
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: and are you running 64bit linux
[23:03] <Colonel_Panic> yes
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: grab nspluginwrapper
[23:03] <Colonel_Panic> Kubuntu Hardy
[23:04] <Colonel_Panic> sudo apt-get install?
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: indeed
[23:04] <ImperialJester> yes
[23:05] <Colonel_Panic> E: Couldn't find package nspluginwrapper
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924
[23:05] <Odd-rationale> ugh. i'm getting bad lag... :(
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: thats what i used
[23:05] <ImperialJester> isn't it nds?
[23:05] <ImperialJester> ndspluginwrapper
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: basically you'll install firefox32 and flash
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=649216
[23:08] <tabe3> its stuck again at 91%
[23:09] <ImperialJester> Woo, I got it.
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> ImperialJester: all good?
[23:09] <ImperialJester> All good.
[23:09] <ImperialJester> Nuu, it's still not the right color.
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> ImperialJester: sweet dude
[23:10] <ImperialJester> Got it?
[23:10] <ImperialJester> Yeah.
[23:11] <ImperialJester> I'm trying to remember this one linux OS...
[23:11] <tabe3> anybody? why does installation of hardy freezes at 91% in virtual box and vmware 6.5
[23:11] <ImperialJester> It's one you pay for
[23:11] <ImperialJester> How many times have you tried it?
[23:11] <tabe3> lindows
[23:11] <ImperialJester> No...
[23:12] <tabe3> 4 th time now
[23:12] <ImperialJester> Hrm. That happened to me before, but on the 3rd time, it worked.
[23:12] <tabe3> i am using alternate install 386
[23:12] <tabe3> my comp is q6600 , 2gb, vista 32 bit host os
[23:13] <tabe3> i have tried with VT enabled/disabled both
[23:13] <ImperialJester> I can't give you a decent answer, but I'm sure someone can. I'll keep looking.
[23:13] <tabe3> imperial
[23:13] <tabe3> what worked vbox or vmware
[23:13] <Arianna> with a system that has windows installed on it, the dos command to format the disk is fdisk - what is the equivalent for a system that has kubuntu installed on it?
[23:14] <tabe3> fdisk is to partition
[23:14] <tabe3> format is for formating
[23:14] <tabe3> commandline.org has list of shell commands
[23:14] <afakan> how is setup wine?
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> linux format == mke2fs
[23:14] <afakan> turkish language?
[23:14] <engineer> !tk
[23:14] <engineer> !tu
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> !wine | afakan
[23:15] <afakan> who is say me wine setup with turkish language?
[23:16] <ImperialJester> okay, so to set up a permanent nick, I just type the command in here, right?
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> !register | ImperialJester
[23:17] <afakan> me?
[23:17] <ImperialJester> !register | ImperialJester
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> afakan: follow the guide above that i sent you
[23:19] <afakan> i am registered now how is enter my nick password?
[23:20] <afakan> i dont use wine:(
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> afakan: entering your pass is detailed in the link
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> does anyone have a koolu system?
[23:28] <afakan> what is turkish ubuntu room name?
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> afakan: id bring up the room list
[23:29] <afakan> how is?
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> afakan: what irc client do you use?
[23:31] <Walzmyn> camorama says it cannot find my camera on /dev/video0 - but skype is working just fine with the camera - how do i get camorama to play nice?
[23:31] <afakan> kubuntu
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: what device does camorama use?
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> afakan: no, thats you operating system, what do you use to chat on irc?
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> afakan: konversation? xchat? pidgin?
[23:32] <Walzmyn> apparently it wants /dev/video0 but all it does it give me a warning box that says it cannot find the camera and then closes, ActionParsnip
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: so both use /dev/video0
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: im not asking what your cam is mapped to. im asking what config both apps use
[23:34] <Walzmyn> ActionParsnip, that's actualy part of my question, I cannot find the config for camorama
[23:34] <afakan> konversation
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: im not familiar with either app
[23:34] <afakan> kubuntu-konversation
[23:35] <Walzmyn> ActionParsnip, me neither, really, installed both yesterday
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> afakan: better, ok if you look at the top where it says Server. room  list is there
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/dlls
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/documentation
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/fonts
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/include
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/libs
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/loader
[23:35] <Walzmyn> afakan don't spam the channel like that
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/programs
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/server
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: if camorama expects /dev/cam0 for example, you can create a symlink
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/tools
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/aclocal.m4
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/ANNOUNCE
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/AUTHORS
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/ChangeLog
[23:36] <Walzmyn> What is he doing?
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> afakan: dont flood dude
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/configure
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/configure.ac
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: i have no idea at all
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/COPYING.LIB
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/LICENSE
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/LICENSE.OLD
[23:36] <Walzmyn> i don't think he does either
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/Make.rules.in
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/Makefile.in
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/README
[23:37] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/VERSION
[23:37] <afakan> list is where?
[23:37] <afakan> sudo apt-get install wine
[23:37] <afakan> i am write but
[23:37] <afakan> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:37] <afakan> i dont install wine
[23:37] <afakan> i must find ubuntu turkish chat room:(
[23:37] <Walzmyn> !turkish | afakan
[23:37] <afakan> ty ubottu
[23:38]  * Walzmyn grins
[23:39] <nicolasvenegas> hola a tod@s
[23:39] <nicolasvenegas> peimera vez
[23:39] <nicolasvenegas> por aca
[23:39] <nicolasvenegas> algun chileno
[23:40] <Walzmyn> !sp | nicolasvenegas__
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> !es
[23:41] <Walzmyn> yeah, yeah, i realised that as soon as i did it
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[23:41]  * ActionParsnip takes a cookie
[23:41] <engineer> sp?
[23:41] <engineer> as in spain
[23:42] <engineer> i think he was from chile
[23:42] <Walzmyn> well, i'm typing wiht a 6th month old in my lap
[23:42] <engineer> nice
[23:42] <engineer> he should feel your heat
[23:42] <engineer> and sleep more confortable
[23:42] <compilerwriter> Anybody here bought a Dell with Kubuntu preloaded on it?
[23:43]  * Walzmyn bought a real computer: thinkpad
[23:43] <dunas> Ok, I just plugged in a Plantronics headset, stereo and microphone, to the digital jacks on the back of my computer. While the headset works perfectly for audio, the microphone doesn't appear to be detected by Kubuntu. Is there some way to fix that?
[23:44] <Walzmyn> dunas, is the mic not ditected or is the mic muted?
[23:44] <Walzmyn> dunas, i know it gets muted alot to prevent feedback when you boot up
[23:44] <dunas> Walzmyn: I just plugged it in, I haven't rebooted since, but when playing Team Fortress 2 the microphone didn't respond to Mic Testing.
[23:45] <Walzmyn> dunas, have you used another mic with the computer?
[23:45] <dunas> Walzmyn: No, never.
[23:45] <Walzmyn> dunas, check kmix and make sure it's not muted there.
[23:46] <Walzmyn> dunas, they do that so folks don't fire the computer the first time and get serious feedback
[23:47] <dunas> Walzmyn: Aha.
[23:48] <blistov_> Aw fuck.
[23:48] <dunas> Walzmyn: Thanks
[23:48] <blistov_> bcm43xx relies on softmac, which ubuntu has officiall depricated.
[23:48] <blistov_> wtf.
[23:48] <blistov_> that means everyone with a bcm43xx usb card, is fucked.
[23:51] <NickPresta> !ohmy | blistov_
[23:52] <Walzmyn> dunas, did that fix it?
[23:55] <dunas> Walzmyn: I think so, logging into TF2 to make sure.
[23:56] <derdui> Hi, dieas anybody know howto convert hexcodes in normal text?
[23:57] <KRF> derdui, start python
[23:57] <KRF> type: print 0xFF
[23:58] <derdui> ok, so i type in python my hexcode, and type print to convert KRF ?
[23:59] <KRF> derdui, heh. no. first start python, then type: "print 0xFF"
[23:59] <KRF> thats all