[00:00] <xivulon> we should have the self-extracting inside the cd, and the non-selfextracting in ubuntu.com
[00:00] <xivulon> we should have the self-extracting inside the cd, and the non-selfextracting in ubuntu.com
[02:09] <giosue_c> as per my earlier question:  i'm trying to build a hardy alternate installer cd with cdimage.  germinate isn't finding some dependencies of the xubuntu-desktop package.  I think it is because the packages it requires are in universe, but the germinate command cdimage is using only looks at main.
[02:10] <giosue_c> i just want to make sure the solution gets in the logs
[02:10] <giosue_c> cjwatson advised me to make sure CDIMAGE_UNSUPPORTED was getting set.
[02:12] <giosue_c> he also advised me to workaround the strange cdimage mirror location (ftp-universe instead of just ftp).  The key here is not to do anything dumb in your workaround, which is what i did. :)
[02:13] <giosue_c> my final solution was to change the ftp-uinverse link in run-germinate to be plain old ftp.
[02:13] <giosue_c> that's all really.
[16:34] <davmor2> xivulon: afternoon (well almost eveing)
[16:40] <davmor2> Just doing the wubi install tests pronto
[16:41] <opapo> I want to create a bootable iso
[16:41] <davmor2> xivulon: Wubi is still not functioning from cd-rw but is from dvd-rw
[16:42] <opapo> I have copied/modified files from a cd and what to create a new bootable iso
[16:43] <opapo> I know about genisoimage, but I don't know about how to make a cd bootable
[16:46] <opapo> I will try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization?action=show&redirect=InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[16:50] <evand> davmor2: we had to back out the change that fixed bug 207137
[16:50] <evand> It wont make it for 8.04.1
[16:51] <davmor2> evand: No worries I clocked it after :)
[16:51] <davmor2> Thought I'd test it anyway as I had reported the original bug :)
[16:52] <davmor2> evand: xivulon: Vista's self extractor seems to be working okay so far from umenu I'll keep you informed :)
[16:58] <evand> fantastic
[17:00] <davmor2> evand: xivulon: Works nicely cd ejected bar completes and the system is currently installing Ubuntu after reboot :)
[17:03] <evand> hooray
[17:05] <davmor2> evand: Yeap
[17:06] <davmor2> evand: xivulon:  Migration-Assistant still isn't working with wubi though
[17:08] <davmor2> evand: is m-a working with vista yet do you know?
[17:12] <xivulon> hi davmor2, all good?
[17:12] <evand> negative, that will take some time that I don't have at the moment.  Hopefully I'll find a free weekend for it as it's not too much work (the registry format is largely unchanged).
[17:14] <evand> m-a as a whole needs updating though.  Firefox 3 doesn't seem to want to migrate old preferences over, so it looks like I'll have to rework that code with sqlite.
[17:14] <evand> err bookmarks
[17:14] <xivulon> evand see #release for non-selfextracting wubi.exe stand-alone
[17:27] <evand> xivulon: indeed
[17:30] <davmor2> Yay success on Vista :) full installed :)
[17:43] <davmor2> xivulon: quick query why does grub stall for 8 seconds when the norm is 3?
[18:08] <xivulon> davmor2 check what is the timeout in c:\ubuntu\disks\boot\grub\menu.lst
[18:09] <xivulon> I do not recall preseeding the timeout, would have thought that it would default to the standard case
[18:09] <xivulon> evand any clue?^
[18:09] <davmor2> xivulon: I'll check it out another time?  In a qa meeting and am now testing m-a
[18:09] <xivulon> np
[18:10] <xivulon> I would expect it to be 10 though from what you say
[18:25] <davmor2> evand: m-a is working on xp :)
[18:25] <davmor2> in i386 anyway
[18:29] <evand> hooray
[18:37] <giosue_c> I thought I understood how the installer worked, but now I'm not so sure.  I'm going to put some of my assumptions here and I would be obliged if somebody could point out the parts I am missing or don't understand....  Thanks in advance!
[18:37] <giosue_c> After the installer has booted itself it uses debootstrap to setup the target system.
[18:39] <giosue_c> ok.  maybe i don't understand at all how the thing works.
[18:39] <giosue_c> :(
[18:39] <giosue_c> i've got a ISO with a pool on it and an installer.  How does it know what to install?
[18:40] <giosue_c> Does it use the "Tasks"?  If so where do you specify what tasks to add?
[18:40] <cjwatson> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/talks/debconf6/paper/ might be a helpful thing to read
[18:40] <cjwatson> assuming you've already gone through the installation guide
[18:41] <giosue_c> ok.  i'll start there.
[18:41] <cjwatson> to set up the target system, it uses debootstrap followed by tasksel and a few additional tweaks
[18:41] <cjwatson> debootstrap installs Priority: required and important, while tasksel uses the Task fields
[18:42] <cjwatson> the default set of tasks to install is preseeded (/preseed/ in the ISO image)
[18:42] <cjwatson> and the preseed file to use is passed as file= on the kernel command line
[18:43] <giosue_c> so in the preseed file... when you preseed xubuntu-desktop to tasksel it is the task... not the metapackage of the same name.
[18:43] <giosue_c> right.
[18:43] <giosue_c> that would explain.
[18:44] <giosue_c> it kinda feels like xubuntu-desktop metapackage and xubuntu-desktop task are redundant.
[18:45] <giosue_c> i'm missing something subtle here.  why use the tasks at all, why not just install the xubuntu-desktop metapackage straightaway?
[18:46] <giosue_c> or if we have to use tasks why not just have the xubuntu-desktop task just install xubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[18:47] <cjwatson> it's the task, yes
[18:47] <cjwatson> there are some subtle differences
[18:47] <cjwatson> the metapackage is useful for convenient installation
[18:48] <cjwatson> but telling apt to install the task in the installer means that each component of the task can be separately recorded as explicitly installed, rather than automatically installed
[18:48] <cjwatson> both are useful
[18:51] <giosue_c> hmm.  interesting.  I guess i didn't know there was a difference between a package that was automatically vs. explicitly installed.
[18:51] <cjwatson> apt-get autoremove
[18:52] <cjwatson> also apt-mark
[18:53] <giosue_c> ok.  clearly i have some reading to do. :)
[18:55] <davmor2> evand: including the FF book marks from IE favourites
[18:56] <evand> curious.
[18:57] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I just noticed that d-i asks about using ntp if you don't setup a network connection
[18:57] <bdmurray> cjwatson: Is that worth reporting?
[19:01] <davmor2> evand: I got mail imap for google, bliss backdrop (making me puke) and FF bookmarks too
[19:01] <evand> heh, great
[19:06] <davmor2> evand: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/FFbm.png
[19:41] <opapo> I am creating a custom Ubuntu CD
[19:41] <opapo> I can get it to boot, but it says it is not an ubuntu cd
[20:37] <opapo> I get an "Unknown suite Hardy" error using dfsbuild
[20:38] <opapo> everywhere where there is a suite or dlrepos there is a "hardy"
[21:05] <evand> cjwatson: Do you know of a way to shoehorn cdebconf onto the live cd environment?
[21:38] <cjwatson> just install the package of that name? should be coinstallable
[21:39] <cjwatson> opapo: that usually means you left out the (hidden) .disk directory on the CD, specifically .disk/info
[21:40] <cjwatson> bdmurray: mm, yes, probably - file it on clock-setup please
[21:40] <evand> that's what I figured, but it complains about being unable to initialize the database once I try to write to it.
[21:40] <cjwatson> you probably have to set one up by hand with its debconf-loadtemplate implementation
[21:41] <cjwatson> see Debian bug 451130
[21:41] <evand> ah, I was actually just looking at that a moment ago.
[21:41] <evand> thanks!
[22:05] <opapo> cjwatson: I did not have .disk included
[22:07] <opapo> that did not work
[22:26] <cjwatson> evand: what are the cdebconf-specific things you ran across in localechooser?
[22:26] <cjwatson> oh, column alignment?
[22:49] <cjwatson> evand: I think we should probably add the directive and column alignment stuff to debconf ...
[23:06] <evand> that bit me at first, but I was referring to Choices-en.UTF-8
[23:18] <cjwatson> that should be supported in debconf, I thought
[23:21] <evand> I thought so, but it appears to report back nothing.  There definitely seems to be some disparity between localechooser in d-i and on the live cd as in the latter you don't end up with the correct default selections for the country questions.
[23:22] <evand> whereas it works just fine in d-i and the previous version works fine on the live cd.  I appear to have everything it needs in the PATH, and I don't see anything else I might've set up wrong.
[23:22] <cjwatson> happy to have a look tomorrow if you can throw me over a WIP patch
[23:23] <evand> surely, will do
[23:23] <evand> and thanks