[00:00] we should have the self-extracting inside the cd, and the non-selfextracting in ubuntu.com [00:00] we should have the self-extracting inside the cd, and the non-selfextracting in ubuntu.com [02:09] as per my earlier question: i'm trying to build a hardy alternate installer cd with cdimage. germinate isn't finding some dependencies of the xubuntu-desktop package. I think it is because the packages it requires are in universe, but the germinate command cdimage is using only looks at main. [02:10] i just want to make sure the solution gets in the logs [02:10] cjwatson advised me to make sure CDIMAGE_UNSUPPORTED was getting set. [02:12] he also advised me to workaround the strange cdimage mirror location (ftp-universe instead of just ftp). The key here is not to do anything dumb in your workaround, which is what i did. :) [02:13] my final solution was to change the ftp-uinverse link in run-germinate to be plain old ftp. [02:13] that's all really. === philwyett_ is now known as philwyett [16:34] xivulon: afternoon (well almost eveing) [16:40] Just doing the wubi install tests pronto [16:41] I want to create a bootable iso [16:41] xivulon: Wubi is still not functioning from cd-rw but is from dvd-rw [16:42] I have copied/modified files from a cd and what to create a new bootable iso [16:43] I know about genisoimage, but I don't know about how to make a cd bootable [16:46] I will try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization?action=show&redirect=InstallCDCustomizationHowTo [16:50] davmor2: we had to back out the change that fixed bug 207137 [16:50] It wont make it for 8.04.1 [16:51] evand: No worries I clocked it after :) [16:51] Thought I'd test it anyway as I had reported the original bug :) [16:52] evand: xivulon: Vista's self extractor seems to be working okay so far from umenu I'll keep you informed :) [16:58] fantastic [17:00] evand: xivulon: Works nicely cd ejected bar completes and the system is currently installing Ubuntu after reboot :) [17:03] hooray [17:05] evand: Yeap [17:06] evand: xivulon: Migration-Assistant still isn't working with wubi though [17:08] evand: is m-a working with vista yet do you know? [17:12] hi davmor2, all good? [17:12] negative, that will take some time that I don't have at the moment. Hopefully I'll find a free weekend for it as it's not too much work (the registry format is largely unchanged). [17:14] m-a as a whole needs updating though. Firefox 3 doesn't seem to want to migrate old preferences over, so it looks like I'll have to rework that code with sqlite. [17:14] err bookmarks [17:14] evand see #release for non-selfextracting wubi.exe stand-alone [17:27] xivulon: indeed [17:30] Yay success on Vista :) full installed :) [17:43] xivulon: quick query why does grub stall for 8 seconds when the norm is 3? [18:08] davmor2 check what is the timeout in c:\ubuntu\disks\boot\grub\menu.lst [18:09] I do not recall preseeding the timeout, would have thought that it would default to the standard case [18:09] evand any clue?^ [18:09] xivulon: I'll check it out another time? In a qa meeting and am now testing m-a [18:09] np [18:10] I would expect it to be 10 though from what you say [18:25] evand: m-a is working on xp :) [18:25] in i386 anyway [18:29] hooray [18:37] I thought I understood how the installer worked, but now I'm not so sure. I'm going to put some of my assumptions here and I would be obliged if somebody could point out the parts I am missing or don't understand.... Thanks in advance! [18:37] After the installer has booted itself it uses debootstrap to setup the target system. [18:39] ok. maybe i don't understand at all how the thing works. [18:39] :( [18:39] i've got a ISO with a pool on it and an installer. How does it know what to install? [18:40] Does it use the "Tasks"? If so where do you specify what tasks to add? [18:40] http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/talks/debconf6/paper/ might be a helpful thing to read [18:40] assuming you've already gone through the installation guide [18:41] ok. i'll start there. [18:41] to set up the target system, it uses debootstrap followed by tasksel and a few additional tweaks [18:41] debootstrap installs Priority: required and important, while tasksel uses the Task fields [18:42] the default set of tasks to install is preseeded (/preseed/ in the ISO image) [18:42] and the preseed file to use is passed as file= on the kernel command line [18:43] so in the preseed file... when you preseed xubuntu-desktop to tasksel it is the task... not the metapackage of the same name. [18:43] right. [18:43] that would explain. [18:44] it kinda feels like xubuntu-desktop metapackage and xubuntu-desktop task are redundant. [18:45] i'm missing something subtle here. why use the tasks at all, why not just install the xubuntu-desktop metapackage straightaway? [18:46] or if we have to use tasks why not just have the xubuntu-desktop task just install xubuntu-desktop metapackage? [18:47] it's the task, yes [18:47] there are some subtle differences [18:47] the metapackage is useful for convenient installation [18:48] but telling apt to install the task in the installer means that each component of the task can be separately recorded as explicitly installed, rather than automatically installed [18:48] both are useful [18:51] hmm. interesting. I guess i didn't know there was a difference between a package that was automatically vs. explicitly installed. [18:51] apt-get autoremove [18:52] also apt-mark [18:53] ok. clearly i have some reading to do. :) [18:55] evand: including the FF book marks from IE favourites [18:56] curious. [18:57] cjwatson: I just noticed that d-i asks about using ntp if you don't setup a network connection [18:57] cjwatson: Is that worth reporting? [19:01] evand: I got mail imap for google, bliss backdrop (making me puke) and FF bookmarks too [19:01] heh, great [19:06] evand: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/FFbm.png [19:41] I am creating a custom Ubuntu CD [19:41] I can get it to boot, but it says it is not an ubuntu cd [20:37] I get an "Unknown suite Hardy" error using dfsbuild [20:38] everywhere where there is a suite or dlrepos there is a "hardy" [21:05] cjwatson: Do you know of a way to shoehorn cdebconf onto the live cd environment? [21:38] just install the package of that name? should be coinstallable [21:39] opapo: that usually means you left out the (hidden) .disk directory on the CD, specifically .disk/info [21:40] bdmurray: mm, yes, probably - file it on clock-setup please [21:40] that's what I figured, but it complains about being unable to initialize the database once I try to write to it. [21:40] you probably have to set one up by hand with its debconf-loadtemplate implementation [21:41] see Debian bug 451130 [21:41] ah, I was actually just looking at that a moment ago. [21:41] thanks! [22:05] cjwatson: I did not have .disk included [22:07] that did not work [22:26] evand: what are the cdebconf-specific things you ran across in localechooser? [22:26] oh, column alignment? [22:49] evand: I think we should probably add the directive and column alignment stuff to debconf ... [23:06] that bit me at first, but I was referring to Choices-en.UTF-8 [23:18] that should be supported in debconf, I thought [23:21] I thought so, but it appears to report back nothing. There definitely seems to be some disparity between localechooser in d-i and on the live cd as in the latter you don't end up with the correct default selections for the country questions. [23:22] whereas it works just fine in d-i and the previous version works fine on the live cd. I appear to have everything it needs in the PATH, and I don't see anything else I might've set up wrong. [23:22] happy to have a look tomorrow if you can throw me over a WIP patch [23:23] surely, will do [23:23] and thanks