[03:04] <saivann> asac : can I do something to help bug 230209 getting fixed?
[03:05] <saivann> asac : Also when you will have time for it, I would need some guidance concerning the standalone glue (bug 232402)
[06:46] <xipietotec> hey, any idea why the ppa doesn't have firefox loaded in it?
[07:46] <asac> hi
[07:46] <asac> xipietotec: which ppa are you talking about?
[07:47] <xipietotec> the hardy ppa for mozillateam
[09:28] <gnomefreak> has a new kernel been uploaded to intrepid in last 24-48 hours?
[09:39] <asac> xipietotec: why would hardy need a ffox in PPA? its in the main archive ;)
[09:40] <gnomefreak> -updates
[09:40] <gnomefreak> isnt it
[09:42] <gnomefreak>  kernel in intrepid?
[09:42] <gnomefreak> wtf :(
[09:42] <gnomefreak> asac: have you heard of an issue with nvidia cards and the 2.6.26 kernel
[10:30] <gnomefreak> asac: what do you think about adding spamassassin to deps for tbird since it is default junk catcher and it isnt installed until you install it
[10:31] <asac> gnomefreak: it doesnt really work nicely together with tbird, does it?
[10:31] <asac> does it work at all?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> asac: i always assumed i had it until today :(
[10:31] <gnomefreak> asac: what is a better app to use?
[10:31] <asac> gnomefreak: well. spamassasin is only useful if you run your own incoming mailserver
[10:32] <asac> gnomefreak: evolution uses it in a special way, but tbird doesnt know nything about spamassassin afaik
[10:32] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[10:33] <gnomefreak> i thought it did because under junk settings it wants to use spamassassin
[10:35] <gnomefreak> although tbired handles spam fairly well i just wish it would look at a few different things before deciding if its spam or not
[10:37] <gnomefreak> nss 3.12 is released
[10:37] <armin76> asac: bumb 2.0.0.15!
[10:37] <armin76> gnomefreak: old news
[10:37] <armin76> i told asac that 7 days ago :P
[10:37] <gnomefreak> well i figured that :(
[10:37] <asac> armin76: -proposed is frozen
[10:37] <asac> will enter today
[10:38] <asac> ffox security was released early in the middle of the night
[10:38] <armin76> asac: bumb 1.1.10!
[10:38] <asac> they said: 2nd July
[10:38] <gnomefreak> that message was from june 18 why am i just getting it on the 30th
[10:38] <asac> but then pushed it on 1st Jul
[10:38] <asac> (late pacific time)
[10:39] <gnomefreak> people are still using trying to cross compile firefox 1.5
[10:39] <asac> armin76: i dont feel responsible for seamonkey alone
[10:39] <asac> gnomefreak: why?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> let me read it :)
[10:39] <asac> gnomefreak: if there is anyone doing serious 1.5 work he should come in here pronto :)
[10:40] <gnomefreak> I  have cross compiled firefox-1.5.0.3 for MIPS. But when i run sample
[10:40] <gnomefreak> browser application named TestGtkEmbed i got only initial browser window
[10:40] <gnomefreak> nothing else.
[10:40] <gnomefreak> asac: its from one of mozillas mailing lists
[10:40] <gnomefreak> dev-apps-firefox mailing list
[10:41] <asac> ah ok
[10:42] <asac> gnomefreak: have a link?
[10:42] <gnomefreak> yeah let me look
[10:43] <gnomefreak> asac: can you please see what this guy really wants on bug 174208
[10:44] <gnomefreak> asac: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/browse_thread/thread/63be612c7d2000ce#
[10:44] <gnomefreak> thats the link for that topic
[10:44] <asac> saivann: ping me when back
[10:44] <asac> i am here now ;)
[10:57] <asac> gnomefreak: triaged
[10:57] <asac> (calendar bug)
[10:58] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[11:05] <gnomefreak> asac: how the hell did you find that upstream bug so fast? you knew about this wishlist bug?
[11:13] <asac> gnomefreak: no. i know that its a commmon wish ;)
[11:13] <asac> gnomefreak: i search upstream the "Calendar" component
[11:13] <asac> for Evolution
[11:13] <asac> or Gnome
[11:13] <asac> cant remember ;)
[11:13] <asac> there are just a few hits
[11:14] <asac> so important is to refine your search by specifying a good component on the advanced search page
[11:15] <asac> gnomefreak: can you please connect sunbird LP project to the lightning-sunbird package?
[11:15] <asac> and setup the proper bugtracker?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> is it possible to subcribe to upstrea mozilla bugs?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> asac: it is isnt it?
[11:15] <asac> or give ownership to mozillateam :)
[11:15] <asac> gnomefreak: no i dont think so
[11:16] <asac> if i connect lightning-sunbird bug with upstream it suggests "Thunderbird" project
[11:16] <asac> and if i select sunbird explicitly it states (Unreviewed)
[11:16] <asac> so there is something wrong for sure ;)
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ok ill look at it and you want everyting to be under lightning-sunbird right?
[11:18] <asac> oh $DEITY
[11:18] <asac> this guy really has shaking windows ;)
[11:18] <asac> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToT_JjrwlZ0
[11:18] <asac> Bug 233824
[11:21] <gnomefreak> asac: driver == mozillateam but i have to figure out who andrew mcmillian is
[11:21] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/rscds
[11:22] <asac> gnomefreak: he? you can also change registrant to mt
[11:22] <gnomefreak> you would think
[11:22] <asac> driver doesnt change a think
[11:22] <asac> gnomefreak: you just need to register package for the trunk series
[11:23] <asac> i think
[11:23] <asac> pleaes try ;)
[11:23] <gnomefreak> im working on it
[11:23] <gnomefreak> can you find me upstream bug tracker link for sunbird
[11:24] <gnomefreak> im not getting anything for lighting-sunbird only sunbird project
[11:24] <asac> gnomefreak: sunbird is ok
[11:24] <gnomefreak> k
[11:24] <asac> associate that with lightning-sunbird package
[11:25] <gnomefreak> just need a bug tracker than. not sure how to do that (associate with lightning-*
[11:25] <gnomefreak> wtf
[11:25] <asac> gnomefreak: should be easy
[11:25] <asac> :)
[11:25] <gnomefreak> asac: https://edge.launchpad.net/mozilla
[11:26] <gnomefreak> why is he maintainer
[11:26] <asac> gnomefreak: mpt?
[11:26] <asac> he is launchpad dev
[11:26] <Volans> asac gnomefreak... news on the questions I have posed for the meetings schedule?
[11:27] <asac> and i guess he created mozilla as mozilla is a use-case of a complex multi-project project ;)
[11:27] <asac> which launchpad devs like to use to explain things :-D
[11:27] <gnomefreak> Volans: i didnt get that memo what day/time were you looking at?
[11:29] <gnomefreak> asac: is this something we change or just leave it? im thinking this is differrnt from our project for mozilla
[11:30] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont think we need to change that for now
[11:31] <gnomefreak> asac: do you happen to have our page on the mozilla project
[11:31] <Volans> gnomefreak: not sure to have understand your question... I mean the 2 question I have posed here to you and asac in order to decide the day ok week and time of the meetings and if start the planning now or at the next meeting
[11:32] <gnomefreak> Volans: please refresh my memory
[11:32] <Volans> ok
[11:33] <Volans> we have to do the meetings schedule for the next 6 months, I have tell you that I have prepared a date list, but you tell me that will be better to start after the next meeting because it will be a "where we are" meeting (iirc)
[11:34] <Volans> then first of all decide if we have to start now or not with the meetings schedule
[11:34] <gnomefreak> asac: is this what you wanted? I still need upstream bug tracker link but look in bottom right and you will see lightning and lightning-sunbird
[11:35] <gnomefreak> asac: i guess you want to use https://bugzilla.mozilla.org for bug tracker
[11:36] <gnomefreak> oh yeah i left off saying that asac had said "something in july or june if we are good" i dont remember the first part of that convo but its on the minutes wiki for our meetings
[11:36] <gnomefreak> i had been sidetracked when i said i was getting it more apps were crashing
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: wtf is Infodomestic Spatial Objects, Ubuntu,
[11:37] <Volans> gnomefreak: you refer to this minute? "Target initial m-e-d report for end of July (or if we are good June)"
[11:37] <gnomefreak> Volans: ah that would be it
[11:38] <Volans> As I have understand this will not be a meeting but a report...
[11:38] <asac> fta: isnt beta bandaid patch dropped in intrepid?
[11:38] <Volans> (if I have understand correctly)
[11:38] <gnomefreak> ok i was thinking it said something else. ok lets make first meeting ~ end of july early august.
[11:38] <asac> gnomefreak: lightning isnt a sunbird package
[11:38] <asac> its unrelated
[11:38] <asac> remove it please
[11:38] <asac> just lightning-sunbird
[11:38] <gnomefreak> Volans: you are right i was mixing 2 things together
[11:39] <Volans> np :)
[11:39] <asac> gnomefreak: yu can change bug tracker in "Change details"
[11:39] <gnomefreak> i cant remove it samnit
[11:40] <gnomefreak> asac: i know but i needed to know if you wanted to use the mozilla.org bugzilla in general like firefox thunderbird
[11:40] <gnomefreak> Volans: can you set it up and email it to eitehr mailing list or my email address
[11:40] <asac> gnomefreak: yes thats right
[11:40] <asac> gnomefreak: please try to get lightning package out of the connected packages list ;)
[11:41] <Volans> gnomefreak: ok. asac: you said that you prefer a fixed date for meeting (saturday or sunday iirc)
[11:41] <gnomefreak> asac: working on it
[11:41] <asac> not really high prio as it shouldnt hurt except for the unpopular lightning package
[11:41] <asac> (whatever that is)
[11:41] <asac> Volans: yes, i think a fix day sounds reasonable
[11:41] <asac> better to remember
[11:41] <gnomefreak> lightning is packaged from lightning-sunbird so you can see how i figured its same source package
[11:41]  * gnomefreak cant promise weekends
[11:41] <Volans> ok, and for the time of the day, something about 18 UTC?
[11:42] <gnomefreak> thats 2pm EST
[11:42] <gnomefreak> i think
[11:42] <Volans> you know where are located the M-T and M-E-T members?
[11:42] <gnomefreak> yes it is that is fine (i woulkd guess) i do yard work on weekends so i cant really promise i can make  it on weekends
[11:43] <gnomefreak> met?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> you mean med
[11:43] <Volans> mozilla extension
[11:43] <gnomefreak> mozilla extension devs
[11:43] <Volans> yep, sorry
[11:43] <gnomefreak> yes the LP page. go to your LP page and under teams they are there
[11:44]  * Volans go to make a little stat on that
[11:44] <gnomefreak> Volans: thanks
[11:50] <gnomefreak> asac: https://edge.launchpad.net/sunbird
[11:50] <Volans> RESULTS :EU CET (UTC+1): 6 | US EST (UTC-5): 5 | EU UTC : 2 | US CST (UTC-6): 1
[11:50] <Volans> so basically 8 people in europe and 6 in US, central or eastern time
[11:51] <gnomefreak> Volans: est is -0400
[11:51] <gnomefreak> until oct./nov/
[11:51] <gnomefreak> than we are -0500
[11:51] <Volans> gnomefreak: all timezones observe daylight saving time/summer time
[11:52] <Volans> this are the winter times, that are "fixed"
[11:52] <Volans> now all are shifted of 1 hour
[11:52] <gnomefreak> Volans: yes and no but either way EST is either -0500 in oct-nov. and -0400 in aprilish
[11:52] <gnomefreak> US EST (UTC-5): 5 should be -4 at this time
[11:52] <Volans> also europe is +2 at this time
[11:53] <gnomefreak> but i have noticed that most things on here is wrong half the year during -0400
[11:53] <Volans> and the 2 people at UTC now are on BST that is UTC+1
[11:54] <gnomefreak> asac: are you ablet o locate our mozilla project in LP? I thought it was mozilla but that isnt it as you saw before
[11:54] <Volans> then in practice we need a time that will be not too late for europeans and not too early for US peolples
[11:55] <gnomefreak> Volans: 18 UTC is fine im just telling you there may be a lot of time i wont beablet o make it but i wont know until a week or a dday before
[11:56] <asac> gnomefreak: dont know what you mean
[11:56] <asac> what mozilla project?
[11:56] <Volans> on both saturday and sunday? or you have a day that is better
[11:57] <gnomefreak> as`ill look for it. asac figure out how to change the bug superviser and such on https://edge.launchpad.net/sunbird please i cant find it anywhere
[11:58]  * asac looking
[11:58] <asac> Volans: gnomefreak: why not the same day/time like last meeting
[11:58] <asac> we havent received any complain at least ;)
[11:59] <gnomefreak> asac: it doesnt matter. im just telling you some weekends are going to be a meeting without me but ill have to read it a day or 2 later
[11:59] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont think we need a bug supervisor
[11:59] <gnomefreak> what is wrong with say this time on the weekend?
[11:59] <asac> my guess is that you can only set that if that project uses launchpad as bugtracker
[11:59] <gnomefreak> asac: fine its done than
[12:00] <asac> thx
[12:01] <Volans> in conclusion: all meetings on sunday at 18 UTC for summer time and 19 UTC for winter time. You agree?
[12:02] <asac> for me its fine
[12:04] <gnomefreak> you know what send it to mailing lists witha  few times days and see what everyone else says
[12:04] <gnomefreak> or ill set up a poll on LP for it
[12:04] <gnomefreak> let me find out how far in advance we can book -meeting(s)
[12:05] <gnomefreak> waiting for reply atm
[12:06] <Volans> ok
[12:06] <Volans> gnomefreak: we have an automatic system for early alert on ML?
[12:06] <gnomefreak> Volans: what do you mean?
[12:07] <Volans> in order to send automatic alert to ML prior of the meetings
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Volans: no
[12:07] <Volans> ok
[12:07] <gnomefreak> has to be sent by hand that isnt an issue i can do that a day or 2 before the meeting
[12:07] <gnomefreak> it will be posted in /topic anyway
[12:08] <Volans> asac in the meeting suggested an early advice 2 weeks in advace only on ML, one 1 week before to ML + all members and last reminder the day before...
[12:09] <Volans> I have finished now the date plannig for all those alerts :)
[12:10] <asac> Volans: cool
[12:10] <asac> Volans: how do we want to maintain the schedule?
[12:10] <asac> is there a thing like a shared google calendar maybe?
[12:11] <Volans> shared google calendar can be fine... LP doesn't have nothing similar?
[12:11] <Volans> or there is a geek system... a txt file in the mozilla-team code section :)
[12:11] <Volans> I think google calendar can send reminder automatically
[12:12] <Volans> I will investigate it after launch
[12:12] <Volans> we have also to decide the text message to send for the 3 different alerts
[12:13]  * Volans away for launch, come back in 45 minutes
[12:18] <gnomefreak> asac: i will have them on fridge like always
[12:19] <gnomefreak> launching lunch?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> hint subscribe to fridge.ubuntu.com ical or rss and you will see when meetings are
[12:20] <gnomefreak> the way google and firefox work together really isnt good so google calendar isnt best option (thats why fridge.com is there
[12:20] <gnomefreak> i can send them by hand if you dont want to plus ubuntu planet blogs and the /topic of channel
[12:21] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[12:22] <asac> never used the fridge ;)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> use sunbird and it can alert you when meeting is (you set time)
[12:36] <gnomefreak> asac: looks like seb is having issues with xulrunner :)
[12:46] <gnomefreak> asac: let me know when you have a spare 5 minutes (maybe in an hour or later as i would like to get stuff done before pitching this idea nad starting it
[12:57]  * Volans back
[12:58] <Volans> so gnomefreak you have decided to not use google calendar?
[13:01] <gnomefreak> Volans: right we have alot of other ways to track them including ubuntu.fridge.com the topic of this channel ubuntu planet since i do that most of time anyway plus sunbird/evo/lightning icals rss feeds and so on
[13:02] <gnomefreak> i got intouch with one of my contacts at ubuntu-news since it took over for #fridge and he said there isnt a set advanced meetings rule so i can have all 6 or so added when we decide on time and day date
[13:03] <Volans> good1
[13:03] <Volans> !
[13:03] <gnomefreak> i would suggest sending me the file/write up or mailing it to mailing list to let memebers decide best time and day date for them
[13:03] <gnomefreak> IIRC we only had 4 people at our last meeting on a sunday
[13:04] <Volans> I was thinking google calendar only for internal maintenanace, I mean set it with the date and (if possile) set it to send the automatic alerts to ML, just it, not to share it with members
[13:04] <gnomefreak> it would be nice to have reed and others there as well
[13:04] <Volans> if you prefer we can set a poll for the day of the week?
[13:04] <gnomefreak> Volans: you can do that. I thought you meant people getting a google calendar for themselves
[13:05] <Volans> I see a problem with work days... if we make it at 18 UTC is after work in europe, but working time in US...
[13:05] <gnomefreak> Volans: well that is what email was for, i would rather not set up a poll in LP (i can do fairly easy) but it has issues last i remember
[13:06] <gnomefreak> Volans: yeah i know since we are around the world its gonna be hard for everyone to be there but the more we have there the better. Once we have dates/times or what not from most people i will blog about each meeting to get people to come so we can get input from around ubuntu community
[13:07] <gnomefreak> fta: did you find a bug on LP about grep -i
[13:09] <fta2> no, i filled one
[13:10] <gnomefreak> fta2: can i get bug number i have people asking about it sinc ethey are seeing it
[13:12] <fta2> bug 243717
[13:12] <fta2> for me, it is severe
[13:12] <gnomefreak> fta2: thanks
[13:12] <gnomefreak> others are saying same thing but so far no ubuntu scripts/packages have seen issues that im aware of
[13:13] <gnomefreak> so sever/critical isnt really a grgeat setting until its know to be a show stopper (and they released a1 with this issue
[13:15] <fta2> at least, it should move to confirmed
[13:17] <gnomefreak> fta2: i added to confirmed addded my comment from weekend and marked as high
[13:18] <gnomefreak> took me a bit since i was relaying the bug number to #ubuntu+1 where it is being talked about
[13:39] <gnomefreak> i really hate getting new cells
[13:50] <asac> Volans: almost back ;)
[13:51] <Volans> ok
[13:51] <Volans> sorry for the long query :)
[14:11] <gnomefreak> im gone for a little while
[14:12] <Volans> asac: perhaps have you see the service I have linked you? gnomefreak proposed to make a sort of poll in ML asking for best day/time for meeting
[14:12] <gnomefreak> just list some times days dates and ask people what ones work best for them as we always do
[14:13]  * gnomefreak still not here
[14:43] <asac> jcastro: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/145-NetworkManager-0.7-is-back-New-PPA.html
[14:43] <asac> jcastro: wanna spread the word? (only hardy packages are available atm)
[14:46] <asac> Volans: yes i saw it
[14:47] <asac> Volans: i can also schedule the email with "at" on my local system
[14:47] <asac> just thought that whatever calendaring tool we are using should be able to do the same
[14:48] <Volans> yes of course, the only difference is that that one is server based (i.e. do not need you pc is on) but if you have a server it's the same
[14:48] <asac> Volans: my gateway is always on ... which is where this irssi client runs on
[14:49] <asac> and my mail goes through it too
[14:49] <Volans> google calendar can work for members alerts only if you subscribe ALL the members AND they reply confirming, I think is not the best.. a CC or BCC list of members of MT and MED will be better
[14:49] <asac> thing is that i am not sure if my mail will get higher spam ranking when using that service as it doesnt go through my authenticated provider
[14:50] <Volans> maybe doing a test on one ML hosted by the same server of that of MT
[14:51] <Volans> about the gnomefreak's proposal to "poll" the ML with some dates?
[14:52] <asac> Volans: i am testing that site now
[14:52] <asac> lets see if the mail arrives in 10 minutes ;)
[14:52] <Volans> ok
[15:02] <asac> Volans: ok that worked
[15:02] <Volans> good :) but if you prefer to cron-it on you machine is the same...
[15:30] <Volans> asac: works!
[15:35] <asac> Volans: good. will you draft the announcements? i can give you the account data if you want to schedule them ;)
[15:36] <Volans> I can send you the drafts and the schedule or set it for you directly in the site, as you want
[15:45] <asac> Volans: please set it directly :)
[15:45] <asac> Volans: what email do you prefer?
[15:45] <Volans> for send me access?
[15:46] <Volans> that on LP is fine or volans AT ubuntu that is an alias for that
[15:46] <asac> Volans: done
[15:46] <Volans> received
[15:47] <asac> Volans: my email == ubuntu email that is ;)
[15:47] <Volans> yeah is clear! trying access
[15:48] <Volans> works!
[15:48] <Volans> ok, when finished to set all I will advice you
[16:41] <Volans> asac: as I can't use a parametrized date I have to create one "template" per mail per meeting, so before doing the copies please take a look there where I have created the 3 reminders for the next meeting.
[16:41] <Volans> feel free to modify the subject and the text and tell me when done ;)
[16:43] <Volans> (I have used Saša's last meeting announcement mail with minor changes)
[16:44] <asac> Volans: why do we need parameters? cant we use the same text for all three?
[16:44] <Volans> I have used different subjects.... hoping this can help to focus on the right reminder ;)
[16:45] <Volans> but we can also use one template per meeting and send it 3 times
[16:45] <Volans> mmmh sorry I see now
[16:45] <Volans> that I have used the incorrect date for the meeting... ops
[16:46] <Volans> (I have place the first reminder date instead)
[16:46] <Volans> I will fix it afte
[16:49] <asac> good
[16:50] <asac> looks good so far
[16:50] <asac> Volans: maybe the last reminder should read "in 24h" instead of tomorrow
[16:50] <asac> and send at 1800 UTC ;)
[16:50] <Volans> ok
[16:51] <Volans> ok!
[16:51] <Volans> then I leave the 3 different subjects and texts?
[16:52] <asac> Volans: why not ... you already created them ;)
[16:52] <Volans> ok :)
[16:52] <asac> we can review that procedure for next meeting imo
[16:52] <Volans> the system can send you an alert 3 days before each email is sended... I set it on?
[16:54] <asac> Volans: yes. good idea
[17:01] <Volans> asac: last thing... you said to send the last 2 reminders also to all members of MT and MED... I will add it to the "automatic system"? CC o BCC ?
[17:08] <asac> Volans: Bcc I think.
[17:08] <asac> otoh, if we want to follow up CC is beter
[17:09] <Volans> follow up?
[17:13] <Volans> you mean for the replies?
[17:15] <Volans> sorry only a my brain core dump... restarted :)
[17:16] <Volans> yes for follow ups is better CC hoping that nobody disagree
[17:18] <asac> Volans: yeah, lets use CC. noone complained on jazzvas announce
[17:18] <xionox> hi
[17:18] <Volans> ok! as best practice says... I have another LAST question... with this schedule we have a meeting on 26 october that is a Daylight saving time change date AND 3 days before the final release of Inprepid... maybe you will want to change this date...
[17:28] <asac> Volans: ok i think we should push it back a week ;)
[17:28] <asac> but the meeting after that can still be at the same date
[17:29] <asac> e.g. 5 weeks after that
[17:29] <Volans> 5? you mean 7
[17:30] <asac> Volans: the one after the one that gets pushed back
[17:30] <asac> so its 12 weeks after the next week again
[17:31] <asac> e.g. meeting 1 on date X ... meeting 2 on date X + 7 weeks (pushed back a week due to release); meeting 3 on date X + 12 weeks
[17:31] <asac> (so back on schedule)
[17:31] <Volans> maybe I have misunderstood your back... back in the past (10 october) or in the future (2 november)?
[17:31] <asac> but i dont mind ;)
[17:31] <asac> push back always means push further away :)
[17:32] <asac> if i push back work it doesnt mean it gets done earlier, right ;)?
[17:32] <Volans> right! my fault, it's clear
[17:33] <asac> hehe
[17:36] <Volans> I have only 4 members (1 of MED and 3 of MT) without any public email on LP or Wiki, I have to try to contact them?
[17:36] <Volans> /I have only/I have found/
[17:43] <asac> Volans: who in MT doesnt have an email?
[17:44] <Volans> reed, hjmf and crimsun (using irc nicks)
[17:45] <Volans> asac, max 3 recipients per email... I discover it after having created the 2 group of members... DAMNIT!
[17:45] <Volans> we can't use launchpad team notification for the alert to all members? perhaps using an alias...
[17:46] <asac> [reed]: can you make your email in launchpad public?
[17:47] <Volans> in MED there are 2, jetsaredim and rzr
[17:47] <asac> rzr: ^^
[17:48] <asac> Volans: not sure. i think hjmf is hjmf@ubuntu.com
[17:48] <asac> Volans: but he is subscribed to mailing list iirc
[17:49] <Volans> his LP nick is hmontoliu
[17:49] <Volans> @ubuntu.com email are always LP nick@ right?
[17:49] <asac> Volans: good point
[17:49] <asac> err. not sure ;)
[17:49] <asac> but i think so
[17:50] <asac> Volans: crimsun is @ubuntu.com too
[17:50] <Volans> but the whole thing is useless if we don't have an alias for MT and one for MED due to the 3 recipients per mail
[17:51] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[17:51] <asac> can you figure out if we can mail _all_ team members without having their emails?
[17:51] <Volans> I'm looking at:   No contact address (Launchpad notifications are sent to all team members)... we can use this in some way?
[17:51] <asac> maybe ask in #launchpad
[17:52] <asac> no idea :/
[17:52] <asac> you can ask on #launchpad. they should know
[17:53] <Volans> ok I will ask, I'm searching on LP (I'm admin of a team) but finding nothing... only apply for a ML
[17:55] <asac> Volans: yeah. we could use mailing list if all members get subscribed by default
[17:55] <asac> but i doubt thats how it works
[17:58] <Volans> every member can choose to add him automatically or not to the ML of a team he join and for the team he is added by others
[18:03]  * Volans waiting for reply in #launchpad atm
[18:10] <Volans> asac: found a solution... on this service 3 recipients but can be increased upon request... can I made the request for you? there is a contact form
[18:14] <asac> Volans: as long as it doesnt involve costs or some obligations, feel free
[18:15] <asac> Volans: otherwise tell me where, so i have to carry the risk on my own :)
[18:15] <Volans> it seems not, see here: http://www.lettermelater.com/forum.php?id=72
[18:16] <Volans> and here: http://www.lettermelater.com/forum.php?id=71
[18:16] <asac> Volans: ok. i think we dont need to CC them explicitly
[18:16] <asac> if they are not subscribed to ML, so be it
[18:17] <asac> we can send a separate mail reminding everyone that subscribing to that low-traffic mailing list is highly recommended
[18:17] <Volans> a one time email?
[18:18] <Volans> I think that suggest also to subscribe to modification on this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings can be useful
[18:19]  * RzR back in da place
[18:30] <asac> k ... have to pack things and travel cities
[18:30] <asac> will be back in 2 - 2.5h
[18:30] <asac> cu later
[18:30] <Volans> bye :)
[19:04] <Volans> I have to go.. come back later bye
[19:24] <arlan> All, I'm a new Ubuntu user, with limited experience and time, but I'd like to help out.  What's the best way to get started???
[19:58] <saivann> asac : ping
[20:00] <saivann> arlan : You can do a lot of things, depending on what you want to do to help the ubuntu community. But first of all, did you have a special interest for mozilla? (we're in mozilla channel)
[20:01] <asac> arlan: ^^
[20:01] <asac> saivann: i am on train ;)
[20:02] <asac> 3G card, yay!
[20:02] <saivann> asac : Oh, does that mean that it's not the appropriate moment to speak ?
[20:02] <saivann> asac : Yeah, mobile networks.. so great :)
[20:03] <asac> saivann: not sure ;)
[20:03] <asac> i am in a shitty train without any kind of amplifier
[20:03] <asac> so connection has high latency and already dropped once
[20:03] <saivann> asac : Oh.. I get it
[20:04] <saivann> asac : I'll ping another day then ;)
[20:04] <asac> saivann: but besides from that its a great time ;)
[20:04] <saivann> I'll ping you*
[20:04] <asac> saivann: no ... go ahead ;)
[20:04] <asac> just dont beconfused if i dont reply instantly
[20:04] <asac> ;)
[20:05] <saivann> asac : Oh okay! Well I just wanted to ask you some help about bug 232402 and the standalone glue, which I can't get to work
[20:05] <saivann> asac : Of course :)
[20:05] <saivann> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chmsee/+bug/232402
[20:05] <asac> saivann: how far do you tget?
[20:05] <asac> arlan: there are several things you can do
[20:06] <asac> arlan: one thing is bug triage
[20:06] <asac> thats a task where you can contribute as little as you want
[20:06] <asac> while still doing an important contribution
[20:06] <saivann> asac : I don't understand your question
[20:06] <asac> saivann: whats your problem with standalone glue :)
[20:06] <asac> how can i help you?
[20:07]  * asac reading bug
[20:07] <asac> arlan: another task that requires a bit more time (but not much) is helping in organizing the extension packaging effort
[20:07] <saivann> asac : I tried to apply the standalone glue as described in the wiki pages that you gave to me but whatever I try finally ends with configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[20:07] <saivann> See `config.log' for more details.
[20:08] <saivann> asac : Is there a existing package that could be a good example for me. I'm pretty sure that I do something wrong
[20:08] <asac> saivann: CFLAGS=pkg-config is wrong
[20:08] <asac> saivann: it has to be CFLAGS=`pkg-config ...`
[20:08] <asac> e.g. note the '`'
[20:08] <saivann> asac : Ah..
[20:08] <saivann> asac : ^^
[20:08] <asac> otherwise the CFLAGS are illegal and the compiler fails on the most basic tasks
[20:08] <saivann> asac : I try it right now
[20:09] <asac> so you get "cannot create executable" :)
[20:09] <asac> (sorry for giving background)
[20:09] <asac> arlan: still there?
[20:09] <saivann> asac : In your opinion, should I remove completely "DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV += LDFLAGS=" -Wl,--as-needed,-rpath,/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9"" ?
[20:10] <asac> saivann: yes, rpath has to go
[20:10] <asac> saivann: i am not sure how that variable is used
[20:10] <asac> maybe you want to add CFLAGS="..." there... but not sure
[20:10] <saivann> asac : -Wl and --as-needed are not necessary?
[20:11] <asac> saivann: no ... those are not needed ... but shouldnt hurt to keep
[20:11] <asac> so just drop ,-rpath ...
[20:11] <saivann> asac : Ok, trying..
[20:16] <saivann> asac : With CFLAGS=`pkg-config ...` , build ends with a lot of /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9/lib/libxul.so: undefined reference to `JS_CallFunction'
[20:16] <saivann> asac : I will try with CFLAGS="pkg-config ..."
[20:18] <asac> saivann: does chmsee use javascript directly?
[20:18] <asac> saivann: e.g. is JS_CallFunction used?
[20:18] <asac> saivann: oh. thats during linking
[20:19] <asac> saivann: you need pkg-config --libs libxul-embedding-unstable as LDFLAGS i guess
[20:19] <saivann> asac : Yes, I get a lot of this, like if xulrunner was not found
[20:19] <armin76> wtf happened so firefox 2.0.0.16 is going to be out on 15th july?
[20:19] <saivann> asac : Ok I try it
[20:19] <asac> armin76: annonucement?
[20:19] <asac> url?
[20:20] <armin76> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_2.0.0.16
[20:20] <saivann> asac : Is that correct?  :  DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV += LDFLAGS=" -Wl,--as-needed,--libs libxul-embedding-unstable"
[20:20] <asac> saivann: nope
[20:20] <asac> saivann: search the source
[20:20] <asac> the Makefiles
[20:21] <asac> there must be some linker tweaking already
[20:21] <saivann> asac : You mean that we should patch the sources!
[20:21] <asac> saivann: cant tell without looking as i dont know how chmsee buildsystem works
[20:21] <asac> saivann: does it use automake?
[20:21] <saivann> asac : Mmmh..
[20:21] <asac> e.g. are there Makefile.am?
[20:22] <saivann> asac : Yes, and configure
[20:24] <saivann> asac : There's not LDFLAGS in makefile.am yet
[20:24] <saivann> Makefile.am
[20:25] <saivann> asac : It uses debhelper
[20:26] <asac> saivann: search for LIBADD
[20:26] <asac> in Makefile.am
[20:26] <saivann> asac : Does not exist either
[20:27] <saivann> asac : Makefile.am is pretty short! Only 50 lines
[20:27] <asac> saivann: ok in src/Makefile.am
[20:27] <asac> there is LDADD
[20:27] <saivann> asac : However, Makefile.in exists
[20:27] <asac> that references GECKO_LIBS
[20:27] <asac> which is certainly defined in configure.in/ac
[20:28] <asac> saivann: ok look for the gecko checks in there
[20:28] <asac> (configure.ac)
[20:29] <asac> you need to add your own there or modify an existing one to use libxul-embedding
[20:29] <asac> instead of XXX-gtkmozembed
[20:29] <saivann> in configure.ac, I only have this which contains GECKO :    AC_SUBST(GECKO_LIBS)
[20:29] <asac> saivann: try to read that file a bit
[20:29] <asac> PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GECKO, ...)
[20:29] <asac> defines GECKO_LIBS
[20:30] <asac> youll figure ;)
[20:30] <saivann> Ha!!
[20:30] <saivann>    PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GECKO, $gecko_provider-gtkmozembed, enbale_gecko=yes, enbale_gecko=no)
[20:30] <asac> saivann: right
[20:30] <asac> thats wrong for us
[20:31] <asac> i think the best is to add a new target (e.g. like mozilla) for xul1.9 on top that uses libxul-embedding-unstable
[20:31] <asac> and then use --with-gecko=xul1.9 in debian/rules
[20:32] <saivann> asac : Oh I must admit that you lost me about adding a new target, am-I able to take this job in your opinion?
[20:32] <asac> saivann: not sure. if you want to learn new things (like how configure works)
[20:32] <asac> this is a great task
[20:32] <asac> if not, push it away
[20:32] <asac> oh ... train arrives ;)
[20:32] <saivann> asac : I like to learn it, but I want to avoid lost work
[20:32] <asac> cu in 15 minutes or so
[20:32] <saivann> asac : I right
[20:33] <asac> have to walk and cant type then ;)
[20:33] <saivann> asac : Ok, @++ :)
[20:33] <asac> hehe
[20:33]  * asac moves
[20:33] <saivann> ^^
[20:38] <arlan> asac: Thanks for the information...sorry for the delay...currently at work and was called away.  Thanks for the information!  Will start triage asap and go from there...
[20:43] <saivann> arlan : Don't hesitate to speak in #ubuntu-bugs, that's the main place to work on bugs
[20:44] <arlan> good to know!
[20:44] <saivann> arlan : Bug triaging is a very interesting task that is easy to learn, and if you like it and learn a lot of things about bug triaging, you might become a member of the bug control team and assign priorities
[20:45] <saivann> arlan : :)
[20:45] <saivann> arlan : Another good trick is to read the ubuntu wikis (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/) which are generally full of informations about this, and never hesitate to ask questions in ubuntu channels
[20:56] <asac> arlan: I'd suggest that you concentrate on Incomplete bugs
[20:56] <asac> for now
[20:57] <asac> and bring them into Confirmed state
[20:57] <asac> (or invalid)
[20:58] <asac> arlan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook
[20:58] <asac> thats the most compressed form we currently have
[20:58] <asac> look at it, then go through a bunch of Incomplete bugs against firefox-3.0
[20:58] <asac> and see if there is missing something in the handbook
[20:58] <asac> or if you can deal with them
[20:59] <asac> saivann: arlan: ubuntu-bugs has no real clue yet on mozilla bugs
[20:59] <asac> so better start here ;)
[21:00] <asac> arlan: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_
[21:00] <asac> those are the incomplete bugs
[21:00] <saivann> asac : Wow, you've been fast
[21:01] <saivann> asac : I just found that chmsee 1.0.1 is now in intrepid and according to chmsee website, 1.0.1 was a release to fix compatibility with xulrunner 1.9, so I believe that this is already fixed in intrepid
[21:02] <saivann> asac : I wonder if 1.0.1 could be copied to hardy-proposed, because actual chmsee does not start at all in hardy.
[21:06] <saivann> asac : Yes, 1.0.1-1ubuntu1 in intrepid is already fixed, uploaded 2 days ago
[21:11] <arlan> asac: saivann:  thanks much for the assitance!
[21:18] <asac> saivann: have you tried to build it in hardy?
[21:18] <asac> saivann: try to upload it a PPA
[21:18] <asac> if that works we send it to -backports
[21:18] <asac> and start SRU for hardy-proposed
[21:18] <saivann> asac : That works, I just tested
[21:19] <asac> (or at the same time)
[21:19] <saivann> asac : Is it possible to ask for a SRU even if it's a new upstream release?
[21:19] <saivann> asac : diffstat seems to show that there has been more than just minor modifications in the code between 1.0.0 and 1.0.1
[21:19] <asac> saivann: yes. try to do a diff -ur of the orig.tar.gz
[21:19] <asac> if its comprehensible its ok
[21:20] <asac> otherwise we can rip the important bits out and add it as a patch
[21:20] <asac> saivann: paste diffstat please
[21:21] <saivann> asac : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24543/
[21:23] <saivann> asac : I built it in hardy using pbuilder (configured with hardy rep)
[21:23] <saivann> asac : What would be the correct version for a SRU (for my PPA upload)
[21:25] <asac> saivann: just diff the configure.ac and src/Makefile.am
[21:25] <asac> and paste that please
[21:25] <saivann> asac : Ok
[21:25] <asac> saivann: and gecko-utils
[21:26] <asac> .cpp/.h
[21:29] <saivann> asac : http://upload.leservicetechnique.com/diff.tar.gz
[21:31] <asac> saivann: thats not a diff ;)
[21:31] <asac> that tarball contains the actual files
[21:32] <asac> saivann: oh. i see
[21:32] <asac> i ment one diff in a paste for all ;)
[21:33] <saivann> asac : Oh, sorry, are the files that I provided sufficient?
[21:33] <asac> saivann: a bit cumbersome ... but its ok :)
[21:33] <saivann> ^^ ok
[21:34]  * saivann translating cumbersome
[21:35] <asac> saivann: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24549/
[21:35] <asac> thats how i expected it ;)
[21:35] <asac> saivann: ok, can you read diffs?
[21:35] <saivann> asac : In you opinion, what's the better alternative. Patches only for xulrunner compatibility or SRU for 1.0.1
[21:35] <saivann> asac : Yes
[21:36] <asac> ok
[21:36] <asac> saivann: not sure yet.
[21:36] <asac> saivann: whats the diff of the other .c and .h files?
[21:37] <asac> saivann: if you look at the diff i pasted, then you can remove the first two hunks from configure
[21:37] <asac> and the GLADE rename part
[21:37] <saivann> it starts at line 39
[21:38] <saivann> asac : Are you asking for the "complete" diff between 1.0.0 and 1.0.1 ?
[21:38] <asac> gecko utuils is ok ... thats the static glue code
[21:38] <asac> standalone
[21:38] <asac> i mean
[21:39] <asac> saivann: try to use filterdiff ... filter out all the Makefile.in configure and intl-* changes
[21:39] <asac> that should make the diff comprehensible
[21:40] <asac> e.g. cat fulldiff.txt  | filterdiff -x*/configure -x*/Makefile.in -x*/intl-* -x*/aclocal.m4
[21:40] <asac> filterdiff is in patchutils package
[21:40] <saivann> asac : Yes I have it, I was reading the manpages
[21:41] <asac> so basically every file that has ridiculous changes in diffstat is subject for removal
[21:42] <saivann> asac : This is brilliant, I note filterdiff to the useful packaging tools :)
[21:42] <saivann> asac : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24551/
[21:43] <asac> great that you like filterdiff ;)
[21:43] <asac> ok Changelog is probab ly filterable too ;)
[21:43] <saivann> asac : I love what you learn to me when I try to work on a challenge like this one
[21:43] <asac> hehe
[21:44] <saivann> asac : You're right
[21:44] <asac> saivann: you need to remove more ... it is */intl* and ChangeLog and */*.m4 that i dont care about at least
[21:45] <asac> anyway i think i can deal with it as it is
[21:45] <asac> so its basically just copyright and glue code
[21:45] <asac> plus rename of CHME_ to GLADE_
[21:46] <saivann> asac : In case you want a proper one : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24553/
[21:46] <asac> ok so what you want are the files i mentioned (minus the CHME_ GLADE_ rename)
[21:46] <asac> PLUS
[21:46] <asac> chmsee-1.0.1/src/chmsee.c
[21:47] <saivann> asac : Ok
[21:47] <asac> i think thats a good start
[21:48] <asac> you can use filterdiff -i*/gecko_utils.* and so on to get the initial bits you want
[21:48] <asac> so configurea.ac + Makefile.am + gecko_utils.* + chmsee.c
[21:48] <saivann> So should I create a patch which will be based on 1.0.1 version of gecko_utils.*, chmsee.c, configure.ac and MakeFile.am?
[21:49] <saivann> And propose it for SRU
[21:49] <asac> saivann: start with the complete diff ... extract a smaller patch with just the changes i mentioned
[21:49] <asac> by using filterdiff ... and then the editor ;)
[21:50] <saivann> asac : Yes... that makes sense
[21:50] <asac> if you have that patch we should test it and then submit as SRU backport ;)
[21:50] <saivann> asac : I do it right now
[21:50] <asac> but lets first get this patch and go on from there
[21:50] <asac> as the packaging side needs a few more tricks i have to tell you ;)
[21:51] <asac> maybe we miss a hunk here, but you can probably redo the procedure after adding the missing part ;)
[21:51] <saivann> asac : Yes of course, we're working in the good direction
[21:51] <asac> and while you are at it look at the gecko_utils.cpp chnges to understand the code requirements of the standalone glue
[21:52] <asac> (and try to understand how configure.ac was patched to support libxul-embedding)
[21:52] <saivann> asac : I must admit that even if I know the purpose of the standalone glue, I still don't understand how it works, but I'm always looking at the code.
[21:53] <asac> saivann: the how can be arbitrarily complex
[21:53] <asac> saivann: i can tell you more about this later ;)
[21:53] <asac> (give a shallow view)
[21:54] <asac> in the end the standalone glue is a ugly hack to reduce system dependencies of standalone binaries that want to use xulrunner ;)
[21:55] <saivann> asac : I tend to believe you :) And it's even harder to understand it for me because I'm not talking in my native language here
[21:55] <saivann> asac : I do understand that part of the puzzle ;)
[21:55] <asac> hehe ... not mine either ;)
[21:55] <saivann> asac : Really?!
[21:55] <asac> german
[21:55] <saivann> asac : Wow :) That's cool, english is a good compatible-language
[21:56] <asac> well. quite related, right
[21:57] <asac> saivann: anyway, since i am not a native speaker it might happen that i really talk incomprehensible things ... so ask  ;)
[21:57] <saivann> asac : Of course, I would say the same about me ;)
[21:58] <asac> let me know when you have our " minimal patch" ;)
[21:58] <[reed]> asac: ok
[21:58] <saivann> asac : you told me that -	@CHMSEE_LIBS@ \
[21:58] <saivann> +	@GLADE_LIBS@ \ can be removed from the patch?
[21:59] <[reed]> asac: do you know if an emergency update is being pushed for Pidgin?
[21:59] <saivann> asac : Ok, that should not be too long
[22:00] <asac> [reed]: whats up with pdigin?
[22:00] <asac> (sorry, i might be a bit uninformed)
[22:00] <fta> FIREFOX_2_0_0_16_RELEASE
[22:00] <[reed]> bug 244591
[22:00] <asac> saivann: do you know how to edit patches?
[22:00] <fta> FIREFOX_3_0_1_RELEASE
[22:00] <[reed]> I just found the bug
[22:00] <[reed]> reading now :)
[22:00] <asac> saivann: e.g. how to adapt the hunk header if you remove lines
[22:01]  * asac reads bug
[22:02] <asac> [reed]: from the comments i think its properly dealt with already
[22:02] <saivann> asac : I only know how to remove complete hunks without causing problem to the patch, but if you want to teach me (and have the time for it), I would be glad to be your student
[22:02] <asac> pitti and seb128 are on it so should go out quick
[22:03] <asac> saivann: use emacs ;)
[22:03] <saivann> asac : As simple as that :)
[22:04] <asac> saivann: anyway ... if you remove a normal line, substract one from both length fields
[22:04] <saivann> asac : Before all, should I remove  -	@CHMSEE_CFLAGS@ \ +	@GLADE_CFLAGS@ \
[22:04] <asac> saivann: if you remove a + line, substract one from the right side length
[22:04] <asac> for - the left side length
[22:04] <saivann> asac : Ok, logicall
[22:04] <asac> saivann: yes the GLADE rename has to go from Makefile patch too
[22:05] <asac> saivann: at best keep backups of the original small patch
[22:05] <asac> in case your edits break the patch ;)
[22:05] <asac> [reed]: 3.0.1 when?
[22:06] <[reed]> builds starting today, I think?
[22:06] <saivann> asac : "GLADE rename has to go from Makefile patch too" does that mean that I should remove or keep these lines in the patch?
[22:06] <[reed]> week or two?
[22:07] <asac> [reed]: this non-sync release approach will definitly cause a mess advisory wise :)
[22:08] <armin76> asac: 15 july says the wiki page
[22:08] <armin76> same as 2.0.0.16
[22:08] <[reed]> maybe they are going out the same day
[22:08] <[reed]> I've been too busy lately
[22:08] <[reed]> :(
[22:09] <asac> ok, so hopefully 2.0.0.16 is not an emergency release, but a get-back-in-sync push
[22:09] <armin76> asac: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_3.0.1 http://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_2.0.0.16
[22:11] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/rss/rss-mozilla-tags.rss
[22:11] <saivann> asac : So far, here's the patch : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24554/
[22:12] <asac> hmm ... so far no bug queries linked from 3.0.01 release page
[22:13] <asac> fta: i would take the tags a source for starting to produce origs from. they move tags in the past :(
[22:13] <asac> saivann: yeah. configure.ac has still GLADE rename at top, but i guess you know
[22:14] <fta> asac, yep, that's FIREFOX_3_0_1_BUILD1 in fact
[22:14] <asac> fta: no ;) ... what i mean is that they used cvs admin to move tags in the past :)
[22:14] <fta> my rss feed shows 'new' or 'updated'
[22:15] <saivann> asac : Ok, removing..
[22:15] <fta> so i know when they move tags
[22:15] <saivann> Oh, I'll be away for the next 30-40 minutes
[22:15] <asac> fta: if they use that procedure
[22:15] <asac> lets hope they do
[22:15] <asac> but i wouldnt be too shocked if someone forgets about it ;)
[22:17] <asac> ok ... i am afk for 30 minutes i guess
[22:18] <saivann> asac : Before I go, I think that we should also update default-prefs-xulrunner.js (which is empty in 1.0.0 and not in 1.0.1)
[22:18] <asac> saivann: most likely yes
[22:19] <saivann> asac : Ok, I will add this to the patch when I'll be back
[22:19] <saivann> asac : Thanks for your support
[22:19]  * saivann is away
[22:34] <asac> fta: when do we want to put 3.1 in universe?
[22:35] <fta> by itself, it's already usable, but without addons.
[22:36] <fta> could be now, or when we have a ppa with addons bumped to 3.1
[22:37] <asac> yeah. i think there wont be real refactoring and breakage as 3.1 is supposed to be a mini cycle
[22:43] <Volans> back
[22:53] <fta> http://dilbert.com/animation/comic/2008-07-01/
[23:36] <saivann> asac : I'm back and working on the patch..
[23:37] <asac> saivann: rock!
[23:37] <saivann> asac : Do you know how to adjust the head of a hunk? Ex. @@ -24,64 +23,41 @@
[23:38] <saivann> asac : Because I need to remove ~20 lines at the beginning of the patch
[23:38] <asac> saivann: follow the rules i outlined above
[23:38] <asac> remove a normal line ... substract one from both
[23:39] <asac> e.g. ,63 ,40
[23:39] <asac> remove a minus line will remove just from left
[23:39] <asac> e.g. ,63
[23:39] <asac> removing a + line needs adjustment onright side only
[23:39] <asac> e.g. ,40
[23:40] <saivann> asac : Ok! I get it..
[23:40] <saivann> asac : and the number before the virgule? 24,64 becomes 24,63, but what 24 represent in this?
[23:40] <asac> ,64 is the length of the hunk with all the - lines
[23:40] <asac> ,41 the length with all the + lines :)
[23:41] <asac> i think the - and plus in front just indicate that its the source and the target
[23:41] <asac> -24, means line 24 in the source
[23:41] <asac> you usually dont need to adapt that
[23:42] <saivann> asac : Ok.. Ok!
[23:43]  * saivann continue is works
[23:43]  * saivann continues *his* works
[23:46] <saivann> asac : Well if my understanding is good, I will have to change 24 too because I will remove the first 20 lines of the patch
[23:46] <asac> saivann: patch might be smart enought to detect the offset
[23:46] <asac> if so you can update the lines by just diffing the results again ;)
[23:47] <saivann> asac : Yeah... sounds easier
[23:47] <asac> saivann: the diff mode of emacs is quite powerful and allows you do to a bunch of things. consider to look at it at some point (not now ;))
[23:48] <asac> there probably exists something similar for vim
[23:48] <asac> not sure about other editors ;)
[23:49] <asac> for instsance in emacs you can split hunks
[23:49] <asac> so you could split this one and remove the first out of the split :)
[23:52] <saivann> asac : I installed emacs and tryed it but I did not understand how to work with patches during the ~2 minutes I tried it
[23:52] <asac> hehe
[23:52] <asac> yeah
[23:52] <asac> look when you have more time
[23:52] <asac> not everything at one
[23:52] <asac> oce
[23:52] <asac> once
[23:55] <fta> woo, big!  Get:56 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe openarena-data 0.7.7-1 [280MB]
[23:55] <asac> yeah