[00:51]  * phunyguy is away: at the sto'
[02:19] <NuSkooler> Q: I currently have a Ubuntu with Mythbuntu installed "over the top" - I'd like to go to 8.04 "clean", but would like to use my _existing_ LVM configuration -- is this possible using the LiveCD?
[02:19] <rhpot1991> NuSkooler: just don't format your LVM and remount it yourself after the install
[02:19] <rhpot1991> its also worth noting that LVM isn't really needed anymore with storage groups
[02:20] <rhpot1991> you can gain all the features without the headaches of actually having a LVM
[02:22] <NuSkooler> Hrm, the data I have on the LMV could be moved off temporarily if storage groups would do the trick
[02:23] <NuSkooler> Happen to have a link I could read a bit more about them?
[02:23] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Storage_Groups
[02:24] <rhpot1991> basically you can add new drives as new storage groups, as you would extend your LVM in the past
[02:24] <rhpot1991> unless you are getting something else out the the LVM its prob not worth keeping around
[02:24] <NuSkooler> Not really, that's about all I get out of it :D
[02:24] <NuSkooler> If storage groups give me something I can continue to throw HDD's at, sounds beauty
[02:28] <NuSkooler> wow, so I can technically have groups made up of various file systems as well?
[02:29] <rhpot1991> ya all it cares about is that its mountable
[02:29] <rhpot1991> though I recommend a journaling file system still
[02:29] <rhpot1991> for speed purposes
[02:29] <NuSkooler> Sweet, I think I'm already sold
[02:30] <NuSkooler> Thank you :)
[02:30] <rhpot1991> no problem
[02:32] <hads> NuSkooler: Another insteresting thing is that you can move recordings around in storage groups and myth will still find them.
[02:33] <NuSkooler> very nice
[02:33] <hads> And have a special group for live tv, I have a small live tv group so there's more space for recordings. Live TV just expires quickly.
[02:38] <NuSkooler> Being able to send the load of for e.g. live tv to a specific device is going to be slick
[02:42] <phunyguy> hello
[02:47] <rhpot1991> hads: why not just let live tv sit with the rest, it already expires quickly compared to recordings?
[02:50] <hads> rhpot1991: It's a good way to use up a 40GB partition that's not doing anything else too :)
[02:51] <rhpot1991> I never really worry about live tv, then again I don't use it so thats why
[02:52] <hads> I don't much either but my wife still likes to occasionally.
[02:52]  * tgm4883_laptop had to enable the live tv timeout because people can't remember to exit out of live tv when they are done
[02:53] <rhpot1991> heh
[02:56] <phunyguy> ahem...
[02:56] <phunyguy> HELLO.
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> !ask
[02:57] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> !ask | phunyguy
[02:57] <Zinn> phunyguy: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[02:57] <phunyguy> lol?
[02:58] <phunyguy> i was just saying hello and nobody responded
[02:58] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[02:58] <tgm4883_laptop> we usually dont
[02:58] <tgm4883_laptop> mostly because we check back while doing other things
[02:58] <tgm4883_laptop> to answer questions, not usually to just chat
[02:58] <phunyguy> meh, no big deal, its just everyone always has strange rules
[02:59] <phunyguy> i had questions yesterday but i got it resolved myself
[02:59] <phunyguy> no thanks to the folks at the #mythtv channel
[03:00] <phunyguy> err
[03:00] <phunyguy> #mythtv-users
[03:00] <phunyguy> heh!
[03:05] <rhpot1991> phunyguy: most of normally assume hello is just someone asking to ask a question and tend to ignore it if we are busy
[03:05] <phunyguy> dont you guys just "chat" here ever?
[03:06] <phunyguy> or is this strictly support?
[03:06] <rhpot1991> it happens, depends
[03:06] <phunyguy> k...
[03:06] <rhpot1991> just gotta watch you aren't spamming the room while someone is getting help
[03:07] <phunyguy> oh, yeah, agreed.
[03:07] <phunyguy> at least you guys try to help.
[03:07] <phunyguy> which is what its all about!
[03:07] <phunyguy> like I was saying, I asked for help on the mythtv-users channel and got 300 documents thrown at me, none of them containing what the solution actually was.
[03:08] <phunyguy> also called an idiot
[03:08] <phunyguy> and a noob.
[03:08] <phunyguy> I love the open source community... :-/
[03:09] <rhpot1991> it happens
[03:09] <phunyguy> is this a good forum for making suggestions to the staff for features?
[03:09] <rhpot1991> phunyguy: could do it on the forums or in launchpad
[03:09] <rhpot1991> !forum
[03:09] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu forum is located at: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301
[03:09] <phunyguy> thanks
[03:09] <rhpot1991> depending on what the suggestion is
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> phunyguy, it should be done on launchpad
[03:10] <phunyguy> my issue ended up being a lirc thing, i selected dvico USB remote because thats what I have, and it also had a field for "driver"
[03:10] <rhpot1991> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> soon it will be brainstorm ;)
[03:10] <phunyguy> which defaulted to "dvico"
[03:10] <rhpot1991> might even be applicable as a bug
[03:10] <phunyguy> but that was incorrect, because that made it use my commandIR as a dvico
[03:11] <phunyguy> i wasnt using the DVICO reciever
[03:11] <phunyguy> maybe a noob thing, but like i said, none of the docs pointed out the driver option at all.
[03:12] <phunyguy> so meh.
[03:12] <rhpot1991> phunyguy: I find asking about specific hardware usually works better in the forums
[03:12] <rhpot1991> easier to find someone who has that hardware there
[03:12] <rhpot1991> unless its something super common
[03:12] <phunyguy> yeah, i also searched the forum, and up until last night, IRC always worked the best (for other software)
[03:12] <phunyguy> i thought this would be common - lol
[03:13] <phunyguy> they kept pushing me to check my lircd.conf again and again, because mode2 showed output  (was it the right output? no.)
[03:13] <rhpot1991> neat, bluefish for windows
[03:13] <phunyguy> hmmm...
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> bah
[03:14] <rhpot1991> bahing at me?
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> launchpad.net seems to be having issues
[03:14] <phunyguy> i even pointed out the hardware.conf and maybe a bad kernal module (i was close), then i got yelled at for guessing.
[03:14] <Zinn> phunyguy: Please watch your language.
[03:14] <rhpot1991> ut oh
[03:14] <rhpot1991> hmmm what set that off now
[03:14] <phunyguy> wat?
[03:14] <phunyguy> lol.
[03:14] <phunyguy> what did I say??
[03:14] <rhpot1991> I'll let you know in a bit
[03:15] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: I'm beginning to think that language filtering is a bad idea :(
[03:15] <phunyguy> lol maybe
[03:15] <phunyguy> *shrug*
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> what the hecK?
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> hardware
[03:15] <phunyguy> i thought i slipped, lol.
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> pointed
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> guessing
[03:15] <rhpot1991> hold on I'll find it, need to fire up the test bot
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> bad kernal
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop>  then i got yelled at for guessing.
[03:15] <phunyguy> uhhh?
[03:15] <rhpot1991> hard something I bet
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop>  i even pointed out the hardware.conf and
[03:16] <Zinn> tgm4883_laptop: Please watch your language.
[03:16] <phunyguy> hardware
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> hardware.conf
[03:16] <Zinn> tgm4883_laptop: Please watch your language.
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[03:16] <phunyguy> LOL.
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> .conf
[03:16] <phunyguy> nice
[03:16] <rhpot1991> he found hard on in "I installed hardy i386 on my computer"
[03:16] <Zinn> rhpot1991: Please watch your language.
[03:16] <phunyguy> hardware
[03:16] <rhpot1991> hard on in hardware.conf
[03:16] <Zinn> rhpot1991: Please watch your language.
[03:16]  * rhpot1991 shakes his head
[03:16] <phunyguy> i broke my "hardware" last night
[03:17] <phunyguy> *gasp*
[03:17] <phunyguy> HAH
[03:17] <phunyguy> thats what it is
[03:17] <phunyguy> HARDware.cONf
[03:17] <Zinn> phunyguy: Please watch your language.
[03:17] <phunyguy> take the caps out and put it seperate
[03:17] <rhpot1991> phunyguy: makes everything lowercase before it compares
[03:17] <phunyguy> not the point
[03:17] <phunyguy> it saw "hard on"
[03:17] <Zinn> phunyguy: Please watch your language.
[03:17] <rhpot1991> ya
[03:18] <phunyguy> :P
[03:18] <phunyguy> how the heck...lol... nevermind.
[03:18] <tgm4883_laptop> thats not a bad word ;)
[03:18] <rhpot1991> I'm beginning to think we might just need a hardcoded bad word list, and not get fancy
[03:18] <phunyguy> whats wrong with bad words anyway?
[03:19] <phunyguy> :-/
[03:19] <phunyguy> im not conservative
[03:19] <rhpot1991> phunyguy: ubuntu channels are family rated
[03:19] <rhpot1991> some people get out of control
[03:19] <phunyguy> oh?
[03:19] <hads> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[03:19] <phunyguy> nice
[03:19] <phunyguy> had no idea
[03:20] <hads> It's probably easier if humans do the naughty word moderating
[03:20] <phunyguy> lol.
[03:20] <rhpot1991> hads: ya, but a lot of times humans who care aren't here
[03:20] <rhpot1991> or paying attention
[03:21] <hads> True. A hard coded list is probably sufficient for those times though.
[03:21] <phunyguy> ok, here is an easy question, what is a tolerable BPP value when encoding to divx..?
[03:21] <phunyguy> i have been doing it by fitting it to a CD...
[03:22] <phunyguy> but for this box i may make a change, and make it based on quality
[03:22] <phunyguy> while maintaining 5.1 surround
[03:23] <phunyguy> thinking around 0.12 which would make a 2 hour movie about a gig...
[03:23] <phunyguy> but 400 megs of that is audio, lol
[03:23] <rhpot1991> I've never used BPP, but I use 600kbps for my ipod encodes
[03:23] <phunyguy> ok, is that the same as v-rate?
[03:23] <rhpot1991> which is prob overkill at that point too
[03:24] <phunyguy> because at 0.12 its around 700
[03:24] <phunyguy> and a 2:08:00 movie is 1064 megs
[03:24] <phunyguy> 640 meg to video and 414 meg to audio
[03:24] <phunyguy> (AC3)
[03:24] <rhpot1991> I've done it as variable and as (not sure this is the right term) flat
[03:24] <phunyguy> constant?
[03:24] <rhpot1991> that sounds better
[03:24] <phunyguy> :)
[03:25] <rhpot1991> it all depends on your display
[03:25] <phunyguy> meh i guess i'll just do 0.12, and i do all my TV shows as 0.10
[03:25] <phunyguy> well it's a 42" plasma 1080p
[03:25] <rhpot1991> high def you might want to try it higher, I'd say just mess around and try to play them back
[03:25] <phunyguy> but the 700 meg rips look fine - (128kbit 2 ch mp3 tho)
[03:25] <rhpot1991> see what works well and stick with it
[03:25] <phunyguy> yeah
[03:26] <phunyguy> ok.
[03:26] <phunyguy> what about deinterlacing?
[03:26] <phunyguy> (using dvd::rip btw)
[03:26] <rhpot1991> I've only really done mythtv recordings to some sort of mpeg4
[03:26] <Joemama_> got my box working
[03:26] <rhpot1991> so deinterlacing hasn't been a problem
[03:26] <Joemama_> got a pvr-150
[03:27] <phunyguy> should i do mpeg4 for the movies?
[03:27] <rhpot1991> I believe that ffmpeg can do some deinterlacing for you
[03:27] <phunyguy> i guessi really don't need divx...
[03:27] <rhpot1991> divx is mpeg4
[03:27] <rhpot1991> I prefer xvid, but thats just personal preference
[03:27] <Joemama_> only problem im having, is at the top of the screen when watching tv, at the very top, the top row of pixels is like partially bright even when it shouldnt be
[03:27] <phunyguy> well thats actually what I am using
[03:27] <Joemama_> hard to explain
[03:27] <phunyguy> xvid
[03:28] <phunyguy> should i stick with that?
[03:28] <rhpot1991> ya xvid is fine
[03:28] <phunyguy> k
[03:28] <phunyguy> xvid4?
[03:28] <rhpot1991> Joemama_: you need to make your video overscan
[03:28] <phunyguy> normal xvid looked bad to me
[03:28] <phunyguy> saw a lot of motion errors
[03:28] <rhpot1991> phunyguy: what are you using to do this, just dvd::rip?
[03:28] <phunyguy> yeah
[03:28] <Joemama_> rhpot1991 where do i do that at?
[03:29] <phunyguy> acutally ripping via dvd decrypter and wine
[03:29] <rhpot1991> Joemama_: what kind of video card do you have?
[03:29] <Joemama_> shit
[03:29] <phunyguy> then opening the files
[03:29] <Joemama_> its onboard
[03:29] <Joemama_> nothing good
[03:29] <phunyguy> Watch your language
[03:29] <phunyguy> :)
[03:29] <rhpot1991> heh
[03:29] <phunyguy> if i cant say hard on....
[03:29] <rhpot1991> ya he misses that one, oddly
[03:29] <Zinn> phunyguy: Please watch your language.
[03:29] <phunyguy> HAH!
[03:29] <phunyguy> see?
[03:29] <rhpot1991> Joemama_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan
[03:29] <Joemama_> thanx
[03:29] <rhpot1991> np
[03:30] <phunyguy> i wonder if there is a way to make this bitrate default in dvd::rip
[03:30] <rhpot1991> phunyguy: have you tried ripping in mythtv itself?
[03:30] <rhpot1991> with mythvideo
[03:30] <phunyguy> im thinking about not keeping a DVD copy of my movies
[03:30] <phunyguy> well im not fully set up yet and this is a more powerful PC, not to mention the movies are stored on this PC  (acting as my fileserver)
[03:31] <rhpot1991> I do all mine as iso's but I don't care about space
[03:31] <phunyguy> i guess it can't hurt to try one
[03:31] <phunyguy> yeah I think I am going to go straight divx
[03:31] <rhpot1991> the mythvideo ripper is pretty nice, but it has problems with some copy protected ones
[03:31] <phunyguy> errr xvid
[03:32] <phunyguy> bah.
[03:32] <rhpot1991> it can do xvid for you and all
[03:32] <phunyguy> xvid4?
[03:32] <phunyguy> let me go try one
[03:32] <rhpot1991> not sure
[03:32] <rhpot1991> phunyguy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythDVD
[03:33] <rhpot1991> mythdvd no longer exists, it got merged with mythvideo, but that will give you an idea
[03:34] <phunyguy> i dont see an option to set bitrate
[03:35] <phunyguy> oh is that a plugin?
[03:38] <rhpot1991> just make sure you have mythvideo installed
[03:38] <rhpot1991> it describes the quality settings in that link
[03:38] <phunyguy> im using the standard install of mythbuntu...
[03:39] <rhpot1991> dpkg -l mythvideo |grep ^ii
[03:42] <phunyguy> its there
[03:42] <phunyguy> 0.21.0+fixes16838-0ubuntu2
[03:43] <phunyguy> hmm...  i did find the rip settings but it didnt have a bitrate option
[03:43] <rhpot1992> ya just a quality setting
[03:44] <phunyguy> i dont even see that - lol.
[03:44] <phunyguy> argh hang on
[03:45] <phunyguy> lol i found it
[03:45] <phunyguy> its actually where you rip the DVDs
[03:46] <phunyguy> not in the setup area
[03:47] <phunyguy> how do you know if it is having issues with an encrypted disc?
[03:47] <phunyguy> it seemed to finish awfully fast
[03:47] <rhpot1992> it wont create the file
[03:47] <rhpot1992> you can normally see errors in the mtd.log
[03:47] <rhpot1992> locate mtd.log
[03:47] <rhpot1992> should point you at that
[03:48] <phunyguy> jusat says job failed.
[03:49] <phunyguy> read failed for 21 blocks at 1
[03:49] <phunyguy> argh, how do you copy text in xterm...
[03:49] <phunyguy> or aterm...
[03:49] <phunyguy> crap which is it
[03:49] <phunyguy> but yeah, no useful information.
[03:49] <tgm4883_laptop> I believe you can set the bitrate in mythweb
[03:50] <phunyguy> it didnt even rip
[03:50] <phunyguy> OH let me check the player comand
[03:50] <phunyguy> i was messing with that
[03:53] <phunyguy> nah ill just use dvd::rip
[03:53] <phunyguy> it works good
[03:54] <phunyguy> seems more configurable right now
[03:54] <phunyguy> maybe i will help build up the mythvideo portion....
[03:55] <phunyguy> hmmm - dvd::rip doesnt like this DVD either
[03:57] <phunyguy> meh dvd decrypter works
[04:56] <ghotiboy1> hi...i updated my distro to hearty and forgot to keep it from updating mythtv on a frontend
[04:56] <ghotiboy1> what is the easiest way to revert back?
[04:57] <ghotiboy1> i'm not running mythbuntu...
[04:57] <ghotiboy1> my backend is .20.2
[04:57] <ghotiboy1> frontend now .21
[05:08] <stoneymonster> hey all, when doing a debuild, I get tons of messages like this:
[05:08] <stoneymonster> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: debian/mythtv-frontend/usr/lib/mythtv/filters/libforce.so shouldn't be linked with libstdc++.so.6 (it uses none of its symbols).
[05:08] <stoneymonster> normal?
[05:15] <ghotiboy1> anyone know how to revert back to an older mythtv on a frontend?
[05:19] <ghotiboy1> well, i think i found the answer...synaptic
[05:19] <ghotiboy1> hopefully that works
[06:44] <nvc> hi, is this the chan for mythbuntu?
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> nvc, yes
[06:46] <nvc> ok cool
[06:47] <nvc> i have an issue, my database info is correct in the settings but when i goto 'watch tv' it says 'could not connec to master back end server'
[06:47] <nvc> any ideas?
[06:57] <RungeKutta> nvc: heh, you just asked that in #mythtv-users - the answer they gave will work
[07:07] <nvc> my buffer was cleared trying to log off to fix a problem
[07:07] <nvc> could you paste it to me
[10:30] <setite> hello all
[11:03] <tazsta> hi guys just wondering if anyone knows of a good cheap desktop case that looks nice?
[15:39] <Belboz99> Hey all, does anyone know how to configure xorg for a 1080p TV?  It's a Samsung, thanks!
[15:45] <superm1> the EDID of the TV should handle this for you
[15:45] <superm1> you may not be able to do it correctly over HDMI however
[15:45] <superm1> try VGA first
[15:48] <superm1> Belboz99, ^
[16:30] <MythbuntuGuest77> superm1, have you heard of hdmi being wierd by not working unless you plug the hdmi in half way through boot
[18:12] <Ubunt1> Could anyone help me troubleshoot my on-board soundcard? I've tried millions of things, yet it refuses to make any sound :(
[19:43] <setite> how do i scan properly.. im getting Timeout Scanning [TP or Transport ID] -- no tables
[19:44] <setite> its with a genpix skywalker 1
[19:44] <setite> i think ive done all the proper patching
[19:44] <setite> im new to myth.. but not ubuntu.. though i dont use it daily
[19:45] <setite> diseqc is working
[19:45] <setite> it recognizes the satellite i'm pointed at, be it Echostar 110, 119 or 129...  then it says the Network Net ID.,.. then it sits at 5% scan progress for a while till it failes
[20:57] <mario_limonciell> kees, would you be able to sponsor http://paste.ubuntu.com/24539/ ?  It appears to have been the cause of a few failed upgrades that i've been seeing
[21:04] <kees> mario_limonciell: sure, one sec
[21:04] <mario_limonciell> great thx
[21:10] <jphillip> mario_limonciell bad word filtering is an epic failure :(
[21:10] <mario_limonciell> jphillip, why what's happening to it?
[21:10] <jphillip> hardware.conf
[21:10] <Zinn> jphillip: Please watch your language.
[21:10] <mario_limonciell> need to kick zinn?
[21:10] <jphillip> nah, just the module I used sucks
[21:11] <jphillip> sees hard on in hardware.conf
[21:11] <Zinn> jphillip: Please watch your language.
[21:11] <jphillip> and in "I installed hardy i386 on my computer"
[21:11] <Zinn> jphillip: Please watch your language.
[21:11] <mario_limonciell> yikes
[21:11] <jphillip> ya
[21:11] <mario_limonciell> yeah lets get him out of here for now
[21:12] <mario_limonciell> rhpot1991, can take care of that later
[21:12] <jphillip> thinking I might just have to make a list of bad words, capture them and not get creative
[21:29] <laga>    maybe it matches hard.*on.*
[21:29] <Zinn> laga: Please watch your language.
[21:29] <laga> HARDware.cONf ;)
[21:29] <Zinn> laga: Please watch your language.
[21:29] <laga> hard
[21:29] <laga> hardware
[21:29] <laga> hard on
[21:29] <Zinn> laga: Please watch your language.
[21:29] <laga> hah
[21:29] <laga> i rule
[21:29] <laga> hardon
[21:29] <Zinn> laga: Please watch your language.
[21:34] <jphillip> hardware.conf
[21:36] <foxbuntu> HARDware.cONf
[21:36] <foxbuntu> lol
[21:36] <jphillip> he isn't doing curses for the time being :(
[21:36] <foxbuntu> poor poor zinn
[21:36] <foxbuntu> you sure?
[21:36] <foxbuntu> crap
[21:37] <foxbuntu> ut oh
[21:37] <jphillip> yep
[21:37] <foxbuntu> hes broken
[21:37] <jphillip> no he isn't
[22:46] <phlegm> Just upgraded my front and backend boxes to mythbuntu from Fedora 3. (It's been a while) Nice work Ubuntu guy's. The setup was a breeze and everything is working. Almost. I just spent hours trying to get my X-10 mp3anywhere remote working with no luck. Anybody feel like offering some hints. I'm all googled out and rtfm'd out.
[23:40] <phlegm> looking for help setting up an x10 remote.