[00:14] <bazhang> Only two people watching #ubuntu? Hmmm.
[00:16] <nickrud> nalioth is too accommodating
[00:18] <bazhang> at least according to the mailing list.
[00:19] <nickrud> heh. You are never there, never there
[00:19] <bazhang> nor are you, Jack, Myr-tti
[00:19] <nickrud> speak of the devil
[00:19] <bazhang> we're just ghosts. :)
[00:20] <nickrud> bazhang, mostly its about the time period.
[00:20] <bazhang> nickrud, aye, and for the time period in question there are plenty of folks around-->which is why the 'there are only two looking in' meme is so confusing to me, as that is clearly not the case.
[00:20] <nickrud> I'm occasionally around during the early part of that period, but only by chance
[00:21] <nickrud> you, I'd expect that's your prime time. You're early today
[00:21] <bazhang> Jack is around all the time, as is Myr-tti
[00:22] <nickrud> bazhang, for Jack and I, that's overnight. We're in bed (as any sane person would be, don't care where you live ;)
[00:23] <bazhang> heh. Well I have been spending way too much on IRC; if that counts as 'not looking in', then perhaps time for a break from it all :)
[00:25] <nickrud> crap
[00:56] <Jack_Sparrow> fujisan is already banned in offtopic, kubuntu, kde4 and in ops, I just added ubuntu..  we should remove the ban in ops unless he has already been kicked for behavior here as well
[01:38] <buffalochicken> you should try buffalo chicken
[01:38] <mneptok> that's nice, dear.
[01:38] <mneptok> *patpat*
[01:45] <buffalochicken> its spicy
[01:45] <buffalochicken> and hot
[03:44] <nalioth> too accomodating of what?
[03:50] <nickrud> plush toys
[04:45] <bazhang> andy_> when i insall perl i dont see it on my Applications list why ???? anyone ?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> because ti doesn't have a .desktop file, and he needs to run it from the command line?
[04:46] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it doesn't come with a shiny IDE? how disappointing
[04:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:46] <bazhang> he cant be that confused
[04:46] <nickrud> silly ops
[04:47] <ajmitch> python at least has idle :)
[04:47] <nickrud> seems the bots aren't catching floods
[04:47] <nickrud> ah, there they go. just really laggy
[04:48] <SNuxoll> can someone deal with endafy in -ot
[04:48]  * SNuxoll is not in the mood to shout !ops in the middle of a very inflamed argument right now
[04:49]  * nickrud considers it, since it's all he can do
[04:50] <SNuxoll> nickrud: ?
[04:50] <nickrud> ops!
[04:50] <SNuxoll> lol
[04:51] <nalioth> anyone have ljls email address?
[05:01] <SNuxoll> well, he seems to have stopped so I'll bid yo adio
[05:02] <nickrud> nalioth if you've not found ljl's address yet, check my pm
[05:11] <Hobbsee> i'm sure Jack_Sparrow can deal with any problems.
[05:11] <Jack_Sparrow> Hobbsee dont look at me.. I dont have ops in there
[05:13] <bazhang> neither do I, though would be glad to have them :)
[05:13]  * nickrud is of two minds on that. Need ops there, I don't spend any time there to speak of
[05:13] <Jack_Sparrow> We have had a couple of proples come from there lately and no ops around
[05:14] <Jack_Sparrow> Dont need another channel .. especially one that needs babysitting
[05:14] <bazhang> its more than having ops there though, need to actually *interact* to keep the natives calm.
[05:15] <nickrud> ok, how to I revert to a previous factoid (stupid git, me)
[05:16] <bazhang> !bazhang
[05:16] <nickrud> hahah
[05:16] <bazhang> !no forget bazhang
[05:17] <nickrud> we'll never be able to forget bazhang
[05:17] <bazhang> !forget bazhang
[05:17] <bazhang> like so ^^ :)
[05:17] <nickrud> I did a !ask | and it took a new meaning. Already fixed ;(
[05:17] <Hobbsee> nickrud: i don't much either, yet still manage to be remembered.  go figure.
[05:18] <nickrud> oh, that is a cruel statement.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> ?
[05:18] <nickrud> either
[05:19] <Hobbsee> oh, that referred to the comment: [14:13] * nickrud is of two minds on that. Need ops there, I don't spend any time there to speak of
[05:19] <Hobbsee> damn this typing-in-two-channels business.
[05:19] <nickrud> ah, wrong comment reply ;)
[05:19] <bazhang> oh the 'not enough ops' controversy
[05:20] <nickrud> heh. When I got asked, I already knew that was the case
[05:20] <nickrud> barrel scraping and all that
[05:20] <bazhang> far from it.
[05:20] <bazhang> la creme de la creme :)
[05:21] <nickrud> old, stale cream does float
[05:22] <nickrud> bazhang take a look at aphroneo.net, do you see a hardy source link and the fsf email signup?
[05:22] <nickrud> nm
[05:23] <bazhang> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24392/ nickrud
[05:23] <nickrud> bazhang ok, he can see it. Just wasn't looking well
[05:24] <bazhang> cheers nickrud :)
[05:25] <nickrud> providing/fixing sources.list was how I first got involved in this. The tools are much better now, but it still helps to have one on the net to point at ;)
[05:26] <bazhang> I am bookmarking that link :)
[05:35] <nikrud> gotta get that nik attached to launchpad I guess
[06:27] <Hobbsee> anyone got any major objections if i forward kahrytan back to #ubuntu from #ubuntu-devel?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> the driveby requests, uselessness, and/or general offtopicness of what he's saying aren't really appreciated
[06:28] <Hobbsee> probably ditto -motu
[06:30] <nalioth> forward him back?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> as in, banforward to #ubuntu
[06:38] <jpds> Hobbsee: wouldn't a normal ban cut it?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> jpds: i'm sure it could, but i don't see the point?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> either way, he'll still complain
[07:00] <jussi01> Hobbsee: that sounds a sane solution to me
[07:04] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I'd say "please"
[07:06] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: hmm?
[07:07] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: plasea banforward him
[07:07] <Tm_T> please even, mmh, nice typo
[07:07] <Hobbsee> ahh
[07:08] <nickrud> Hobbsee please don't ;(
[07:09] <Hobbsee> nickrud: why?
[07:09] <nickrud> I like not seeing him, you keep him ;)
[07:09] <nickrud> or maybe to offtopic
[07:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:10] <Hobbsee> he's in there anyway, i thought?
[07:11] <nalioth> if he's being disruptive, please advise him of such.  if he continues, ban him where he is being disruptive
[07:11] <nickrud> just a general complaint, probably better lost in the flow in #ubuntu. He'll probably just dance on that edge there again
[07:11] <nickrud> he's gotten much better at that.
[07:11] <Hobbsee> nalioth: yes, i figured.
[07:14] <bazhang> he's banned in offtopic
[07:40] <bazhang> what's the vietnam channel? is there one?
[07:41] <nalioth> bazhang: #ubuntu-vn ?
[07:42] <bazhang> nobody there but thanks nalioth
[07:57] <Myrtti> moin
[08:14] <bazhang> icq does not work in pidgin; be forewarned :)
[08:14] <Myrtti> ah, but it does
[08:14] <Myrtti> there is a patch for it
[08:15] <bazhang> really? got a link Myrtti ?
[08:15] <Myrtti> http://www.joeterranova.net/2008/07/01/icq-woes-for-pidgin/
[08:15] <bazhang> sweet :)
[08:16] <Myrtti> I personally just yesterday recompiled my bitlbee from bzr and it appears as if the icq woes for it have been fixed too
[08:32] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: dude, that ApOgEE guy is creepy :-S
[10:18]  * Myrtti noms on her coconut pancakes
[10:19] <Myrtti> nomnom
[10:51] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, what did he do?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> [15:13] --> kahrytan has joined this channel (n=kahrytan@unaffiliated/kahrytan).
[10:52] <Hobbsee> [15:14] <kahrytan> When is Ubuntu going to start using gfxboot  with grub? openSUSE and Linux Mint have the right idea. grub in ubuntu is ugly. and makes ubuntu look unpolished.
[10:52] <Hobbsee> [15:15] <-- kahrytan has left this server (Client Quit).
[10:52] <Hobbsee> is the most recent.
[10:52] <Hobbsee> he's been in and out of there, prattling on, for days.
[10:52]  * Hobbsee has warned him about being offtopic once so far, but given no other warnings.
[10:53] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i was referring to apogee but i assume that was -devel?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> it apperas his idea of help (which he took to #ubuntu-motu, for some reason) for the isntaller was to say that the ubuntu installer wasn't very good, and that someone should make it look like $otherdistro because it was better.  no reasons given as to why.
[10:54] <Hobbsee> oh, my error.
[10:54] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: just how he keeps greeting you.  then tries greeting persia
[10:54] <gouki> Hi. If someone sets a new cloak for my nickname, will I lose Ubuntu's cloak or both of them will be displayed?
[10:55] <elkbuntu> well, ubuntu's grub is ugly, but the entitled attitude is uglier, yes
[10:55]  * Hobbsee thought his commetns in the meeting were a bit...strange...too
[10:55] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, you'll probably find that to be bad english
[10:55] <Hobbsee> well, my thought was that a) he was in the wrong place, and b) he had no actual things on how to make it better.
[10:55] <Hobbsee> i meant the part towards the end, where he wanted to know all about you personally, as you'd been interviewing him.
[10:55] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, both are part of the attitude
[10:56] <Hobbsee> true
[10:56] <Myrtti> gouki: hi
[10:56] <gouki> Hi Myrtti
[10:56] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, ah, that
[10:56] <Myrtti> gouki: presumably, but you'd prolly get an answer quicker in #freenode
[10:57] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: yeah - something i wouldn't attribute to bad english
[10:57] <Hobbsee> gouki: they can be merged together - people like PriceChild's are
[10:57] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i'd attribute it to different culture though
[10:57] <Hobbsee> iirc
[10:57] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: quite possibly.
[10:58] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, cloak merging seems to only happen under very select certain circumstances
[10:58] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:58] <gouki> elkbuntu, who controls it?
[10:58] <elkbuntu> in my knowledgebase, it involves only pdpc donation cloaks, or staff - i might be wrong and they might flex it more now
[10:58] <elkbuntu> gouki, freenode.
[10:58] <elkbuntu> gouki, we dont really get much say in it
[10:59] <gouki> elkbuntu, got it. Well, thank you all for the support. I'll try my luck in #freenode
[11:00] <elkbuntu> gl!
[12:28]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[12:29] <Myrtti> !away > ara_lunch
[12:29] <Myrtti> I know I'm mean
[12:55]  * jussi01 sighs, he is doing it again: [14:53:55] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker, its probably too hard for you.
[12:56] <bazhang> wow
[13:00]  * Myrtti wiggles her fingers
[13:00] <Myrtti> THAT JUST SETS ME OFF THE EDGE
[13:04] <bazhang> he wont answer *my* question (must think its too hard for me)
[13:05] <jussi01> bazhang: never mind him
[13:05] <jussi01> he is just being flaccid...
[13:05]  * jussi01 sighs and goes back to work...
[13:06] <bazhang> oh the sudo su :(
[13:07] <jussi01> ok, really going back to work now
[13:10]  * Pici thinks flaccid should be brought in here the next time he says something like that
[13:10]  * bazhang thinks it should have happened long ago
[13:10] <jussi01> bazhang: it has
[13:11] <Myrtti> wasn't he here just monday
[13:11] <Myrtti> ...
[13:11]  * Pici demands justice
[13:11] <Myrtti> without ANY success
[13:11] <bazhang> to no apparent effect
[13:11]  * Pici also demands candy
[13:11]  * Myrtti gives Pici a grape
[13:11] <Myrtti> nomnom
[13:11]  * Pici noms
[13:12] <bazhang> got to eat; back in a bit
[13:13] <jussi01> Pici: are you still around?
[13:14] <Pici> jussi01: yep
[13:14] <jussi01> Pici: watch kubuntu for me if you have a min - I really have to work, and Eaglescreen is giving random bad advice
[13:21] <jussi01> oh cripes, ban me or something, I have to do work!
[13:21] <Myrtti> I'd emp you but I don't have powah
[13:22] <jussi01> !-aptfix
[13:22] <jussi01> !fixapt is <alias>aptlock
[13:23] <jussi01> yay for lag
[13:23] <Myrtti> GO TO WORK YOU LAZY IRC BUM DONT YOU HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO!
[13:23]  * Myrtti takes a hot poker
[13:23] <Pici> Yes ma'am
[13:23] <Myrtti> WORK
[13:23] <Pici> MUSH
[13:23]  * Myrtti prods jussi01 
[13:23] <Myrtti> WORK DAMNIT
[13:23] <Myrtti> *pssssshhh*
[13:27] <Myrtti> I think that might have done the trick
[13:30] <jussi01> not looking at #kubuntu not looking at #kubuntu not looking at #kubuntu
[13:30]  * Myrtti waves the hot poker
[13:30]  * Myrtti prods again
[13:30] <Myrtti> *PSSSSHHH*
[13:30] <jussi01> ouch!!
[13:31] <Myrtti> work
[13:38] <Myrtti> mmmmmm
[13:40] <bazhang> battling misinformation
[13:41] <Pici> where?
[13:41] <bazhang> ie two sources battling it out to give the least helpful advice
[13:41] <bazhang> eaglescreen and flaccid
[13:42] <bazhang> although flaccid is not so much misinforming as just dismissive
[13:44] <Myrtti> I need a slap
[13:45] <Pici> Myrtti: whys that?
[13:46] <elkbuntu> sometimes i wish certain people would stick to their threats..
[13:46] <Myrtti> Pici: oooooooh, nevermind
[13:50] <jussi01> elkbuntu: huh?
[13:51] <elkbuntu> jussi01, some of the ones who threaten to stop 'helping'
[13:51] <jussi01> :) yeah
[13:51] <jussi01> Id agree with that
[13:55] <Pici> I didnt even know this many people still used ICQ
[14:06]  * Pici slaps ubottu 
[14:12] <jussi01> Pici: @login
[14:23] <Pici> jussi01: I did
[14:23] <jussi01> Pici: does it still not work?
[14:27] <Pici> jussi01: no, it does.
[14:27] <Pici> jussi01: I didnt didnt do it before
[14:43]  * Myrtti hmmmmles
[14:43] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/tags/aceraspire3100/
[15:03] <|v|4s7e|2> how do i set a folder and all sub files and folders readable and writable to everyon
[15:06] <ikonia> |v|4s7e|2: join the channel #ubuntu to get ubuntu support
[15:06] <Pici> |v|4s7e|2: You appear to be forwarded to #ubuntu-ops because of your quit message
[15:08] <Pici> |v|4s7e|2: Would you please change it to something less offensive?
[15:09] <|v|4s7e|2> oops, i did, sumtin mustv happened, ill change it
[15:09] <|v|4s7e|2> it shouldhave been "leaving" for about 2 days
[15:10] <Pici> The last times you left it was "kiss my ass"
[15:10] <|v|4s7e|2> a while ago
[15:10] <|v|4s7e|2> its leaving now
[15:10] <|v|4s7e|2> hangon, ill exit and rejoin, tell me what it is
[15:11] <|v|4s7e|2> what was it?
[15:11] <Pici> "Leaving"
[15:11] <|v|4s7e|2> good
[15:11] <Pici> You're all set for #ubuntu now :)
[15:11] <|v|4s7e|2> thanx
[15:12] <Pici> OS_X: How can we help you today?
[15:12] <OS_X> oh sorry, i just wanted to see what it was like in this room
[15:13] <ikonia> Has anyone got the most current version of auto_bleh.pl ?
[15:13] <Pici> OS_X: Well, I'll call your attention to the channel topic then.
[15:13] <Pici> ikonia: I dont use it, sorry. Just aliases here for irssi./
[15:13] <OS_X> oh ok
[15:13] <ikonia> Pici: your rare then ;)
[15:14] <ikonia> just dragged a version down from the web but it's borked
[15:14] <ikonia> I may follow your example pici
[15:14] <Pici> http://nullcortex.com/2008/06/23/irssi-aliases-scripts/
[15:15] <Myrtti> ikonia: I don't use that script either
[15:16] <ikonia> then your clearly l33t
[15:16] <Myrtti> I used to use it, but it sucks
[15:16] <Myrtti> OS_X: so...
[15:16] <ikonia> Pici: good little page, thanks
[15:17] <OS_X> yea
[15:17] <OS_X> well i'll tell you one thing guys, Ubuntu is soooo much better than windows
[15:17] <Myrtti> innit?! X-D
[15:17] <OS_X> more stable and better performance
[15:17] <OS_X> vista sucks
[15:18]  * Myrtti pokes Pici
[15:18] <Pici> Yessss?
[15:18] <OS_X> yes :)
[15:19] <Myrtti> OS_X: so that's great to hear
[15:19] <Myrtti> OS_X: anything else, especially regarding /topic?
[15:19] <Pici> OS_X: If you're looking for a chat channel about ubuntu, may I point you to #ubuntu-offtopic.  -ops is for operator issues only.
[15:21] <OS_X> oh ok, i apologize for interupting this channel
[15:21] <OS_X> i'll definitely have a look in that room
[15:21] <Myrtti> no probs :-)
[15:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrti can you fix the !icqbug factoid to let people know 2.4.3 is in getdeb.net and is patched to again work with icq
[15:26] <Myrtti> !icqbug
[15:27] <Pici> I'm not sure if we should be pointing people to getdeb though
[15:27] <Myrtti> erm, why should we ... exactly
[15:29] <ikonia> Pici: I'm sure pidgin is being patched and re-packaged as we speak
[15:29] <ikonia> Pici: just need a pidigin maintainer to confirm it
[15:30] <Pici> ikonia: It is, I spoke to -motu earlier about the SRU
[15:30] <ikonia> ahhh well done
[15:30] <ikonia> so I guess the advice is "sit tight"
[15:30] <Jack_Sparrow> For how long
[15:31] <Pici> Just that -proposed is currently locked due to the impending 8.04.1 release, but once that is done it will be moved there and then shortly after into -updates.
[15:31] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: The best ETA I could get was 'a few days'
[15:31] <Myrtti> OS_X: so, anything else?
[15:31] <ikonia> Pici: thats not a bad turn around
[15:31] <Pici> I'm guessing less than a week.
[15:31] <Pici> !idle | OS_X
[15:31] <ikonia> as long as it doesn't drag on like the flash episode
[15:32] <Jack_Sparrow> NOt having icq for a week would be devastating for some users.. I dont use it.. but the people I know that do.. are addicted to it like it was crack
[15:32] <jussi01> ikonia: did you get the latest autobleh? if not join #dib5sn and check the topic :)
[15:32] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: yup, it can be a problem
[15:32] <ikonia> jussi01: I'll look now, thanks
[15:32] <Pici> such is life
[15:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Perhaps write a more complete factoid suggesting they wait but if not..
[15:34] <Jack_Sparrow> How many days has icq not worked?
[15:34] <Pici> 2?
[15:34] <Myrtti> ok ok ok here it comes
[15:35] <Myrtti> !prayer
[15:35] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[15:35] <Pici> Myrtti: -offtopic ?
[15:35] <Myrtti> yeah
[15:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici or less
[15:35] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: 2 at the max./
[15:35]  * Myrtti screams
[15:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Im having a bit of a reaction to my meds at the moment..  back in a few
[15:36] <Myrtti> my bwain huwts
[15:37] <Myrtti> ;___;
[15:37] <ikonia> !idle | OS_X
[15:37] <Myrtti> I cries!
[15:40] <Myrtti> I give up _o_
[15:41] <Myrtti> I guess my tolerance on newbs today isn't at its best
[15:43] <Jack_Sparrow> I have been grumpy since I had to bury Hardy.. my pet Heron
[15:51] <Jack_Sparrow> http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1088/dsc24991400fz1.jpg
[15:54] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: I dont see a heron in that
[15:56] <Jack_Sparrow> just his head.. wrong pic  one sec
[15:58] <Jack_Sparrow> http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/5937/dsc25052000vx3.jpg
[16:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici see him in that one
[16:11] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: :(
[16:11] <Jack_Sparrow> Just a fledgling, but still it broke my heart.. all five of the others are doing well
[16:40] <jbroome> Wondering if the  ban *!*@silenceisdefeat.org [by ompaul!n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul, 2792961 secs ago]  can be lifted.  sd.org is a free shell service, seems a shame to ban all the users
[16:42] <jussi01> jbroome: ompaul isnt here at the moment, but you will need to ask him. he usually come in soon though.
[16:42] <Jack_Sparrow> jbroome are those not the most abusive users hiding behind there
[16:45] <nalioth> jbroome: the abuse to 'good user' ratio is very high from that vector
[16:46]  * Pici agrees
[16:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici what was that one that we worked to allow middbit or something
[16:48] <Pici> mibbit, yes. But thats not a web gateway, not a free shell service.
[16:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici the bots were re-written to apply an exempt for them
[16:48] <Jack_Sparrow> ah
[16:49] <Pici> Yes. They get forwarded to #ubuntu-proxy-users and the bots apply ban exemptions in #ubuntu for them.
[16:54] <jbroome> Ahh, gotcha.  glad i have a cloak then. :)
[17:02]  * Pici watches God420 
[17:06] <Jack_Sparrow> Still not sure what he did besides try to run warcrqaft
[17:06] <Jack_Sparrow> none of that should have changed his partitions or boot
[17:07] <Pici> I'm not sure if hes trolling or not
[17:16] <Pici> I suspect he is
[17:22] <Jack_Sparrow> I vote troll..
[17:34] <mneptok> i vote Kodos
[17:35] <Pici> soundray: I'm thinking the same as you, I have a feeling
[17:35] <soundray> I'm a bit upset about this -- I feel abused
[17:35] <Myrtti> have I missed out on something?
[17:36] <Pici> soundray: banned
[17:36] <soundray> Thanks Pici
[17:36] <Pici> soundray: sorry it had to go for this long
[17:36] <Pici> 12:36:43 <?Prometheum7> What did you request me to get kicked for?
[17:36] <Pici> 12:37:02 <Pici> I didn't request it, I did it.  If you have an issue you can ask in #ubuntu-ops
[17:37] <soundray> Myrtti: this guy was pretending to look for help, pastebinning contradictory stuff etc. -- now after a nick change, he's dishing out advice
[17:37] <Myrtti> ah, right
[17:37] <Myrtti> got confused there
[17:37] <soundray> Myrtti: very much beginner type questions
[17:38] <Myrtti> I suddenly remembered why I'm feeling so out of sorts and queezy and ready to collapse - I've not taken my meds in two days and the nearby pharmacy is closed
[17:38] <Pici> Definite troll. Hes looking up my nickserv info
[17:38] <Myrtti> I think I'll just -- zone out for tonight
[17:38] <Myrtti> smack me if I do something incoherent
[17:39] <Pici> I'm going for lunch, feel free to work with him if he come sin there
[17:39] <soundray> Enjoy you lunch, and thanks again for your quick help
[17:39] <Myrtti> will try
[17:39] <soundray> *your
[17:46] <soundray> Myrtti: doesn't seem like this person will be joining.
[17:50] <ikonia> would someone verify a potential bug I've just logged
[17:50] <ikonia> I don't want to ask in "busy" channels in case I am correct
[17:50] <ikonia> it has security implications
[17:51] <PriceChild> if you marked it as a security bug its hidden from us
[17:51] <ikonia> I appriciate that, hence why I thought I'd "ask" someone to just check/test it
[17:51] <ikonia> it worked on a test server I have here
[17:51] <ikonia> but that could be a borked install (I'm %99.9 it's not)
[17:52] <jussi01> ikonia: if its not ubuntu specific (ie. i have kubuntu) i can
[17:52] <ikonia> jussi01: be good to know - check the permissions on /sbin/shutdown for me please
[17:52] <ikonia> is it world executable
[17:52] <Pici> http://pastebin.com/f32c408c5
[17:52] <PriceChild> -rwxr-xr-x
[17:53] <ikonia> not good
[17:53] <Pici> Anyway, the troll's hostname was in use by two nicks, one of which was in #hacktalk
[17:53] <Pici> I dont plan on responding via pm.
[17:54] <ikonia> PriceChild: jussi01 thanks, bug logged
[17:57] <PriceChild> ikonia: how does that thing check if you're root?
[17:57] <ikonia> PriceChild: it doesn't
[17:57] <ikonia> well
[17:57] <PriceChild> it does...
[17:57] <ikonia> thats not true
[17:57] <ikonia> yes, your right - it does
[17:57] <PriceChild> $ /sbin/shutdown now
[17:57] <PriceChild> shutdown: Need to be root
[17:58] <ikonia> no no- your right
[17:58] <ikonia> it does it off your UID,
[17:58] <ikonia> however in domain situations LDAP/NIS thats easy to change
[17:59] <ikonia> eg: your "admin" UID is set and doesn't have to be 0
[17:59] <PriceChild> if its easy to change your uid to root's in those situations... then you're screwed anyway though? :/
[17:59] <ikonia> PriceChild: not quite
[17:59] <ikonia> it's not easy to change your uid to root,
[17:59] <ikonia> however in domain based systems it doesnt have to be 0
[18:00] <PriceChild> oh sorry
[18:00] <ikonia> so anyone who controls any form of AD/Ldap/NIS (not so much) schema
[18:00] <ikonia> can put them selves in UID for $admin and gain control/shutdown a machine
[18:01] <ikonia> shutdown is supposed to be root:root 550
[18:01] <ikonia> to stop this
[18:01] <ikonia> (sorry, don't know whats happened to my punctuation)
[18:01] <ikonia> see what the bug comes back with - it may get ignored as "not worth it" which is fine
[18:01] <ikonia> more serious for "server" environments rather than the majority market of desktops
[18:14] <Myrtti> http://myrtti.wippiespace.com/webcam/pic.jpeg
[18:14] <Myrtti> ♥
[18:15] <Pici> can someone take care of 13:15:30 >>>> SidStudios (n=Sid@cm4.psi167.maxonline.com.sg) has joined #kubuntu
[18:16] <Pici>  in #kubuntu ?
[18:16] <Pici> thats god420/prometheum7
[18:16] <Pici> needs a kb
[18:17] <jussi01> Pici: Ill watch
[18:17] <Pici> 13:15:44 <SidStudios> Anyone know where I can get Ubuntu Goatse Gibbon?
[18:17] <Pici> jussi01: Hes already trolled #ubuntu, and gotten a ban there.
[18:18] <jussi01> Pici: I know - but each channel on merit
[18:18] <Pici> k
[18:18] <jussi01> ok then...
[18:18] <Myrtti> jussi01: ♥
[18:18] <nalioth> he's crossed that line already
[18:18] <nalioth> hairy hardon ?  goatse gibbon ?  yeah right.
[18:19] <jussi01> heh, didnt see the goatse gibbon one,
[18:20] <TheSheep> jussi01: good for you
[18:20] <jussi01> TheSheep: rofl
[18:23] <Pici> nalioth: Did Sid msg you?
[18:23] <nalioth> Pici: he did
[18:23] <nalioth> inbound
[18:24] <SidStudios> I would like to know why I was banned from #Kubuntu so I don't make the same mistake again
[18:25] <nalioth> SidStudios: you don't see anything wrong with what you were adding to the channel?
[18:25] <SidStudios> I was just asking how to use my BCM4311 card with Gutsy Gibbon
[18:26] <nalioth> you were?
[18:27] <SidStudios> Ok ok, I've been reading a bit too much Encyclopedia Dramatica
[18:27] <nalioth> 1215018925 12:15 < SidStudios> Anyone know where I can get Ubuntu Goatse Gibbon?
[18:27] <Myrtti> you think?
[18:27] <nalioth> 1215018949 12:15 < SidStudios> I need it because Hairy Hardon won't install my Wireless drivers
[18:28] <Myrtti> funnaeh.
[18:28] <Pici> Needless to say, your actions in #ubuntu had already put you on thin ice.
[18:28] <SidStudios> Pici: Can I buy an unban?
[18:28] <Myrtti> can I haz flavr?
[18:28] <jussi01> SidStudios: we dont accept bribes
[18:29] <nalioth> most bans don't last 24h, SidStudios
[18:29] <SidStudios> I was just comparing it to support that I could buy for any other OS
[18:29] <SidStudios> I know that your IRC channels are top notch
[18:29] <Myrtti> and you know why they are?
[18:29] <Pici> We don't appreciate being taken for a ride.
[18:29] <PriceChild> SidStudios: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid - very reasonable
[18:29] <Myrtti> because we do not tolerate that kind of behaviour
[18:30] <SidStudios> Because people tell me to do "sudo halt" instead of "sudo shutdown -now" which allows me to potentially lose unsaved data?
[18:30] <SidStudios> I felt bad when I heard of its' side effects
[18:31] <Pici> sudo halt calls shutdown....  but thats not what we're talking about.
[18:32] <SidStudios> Can you at least give me a second chance?
[18:33] <SidStudios> Please?
[18:33] <SidStudios> How come you haven't banned Ars Technica off the internetz for calling ubuntu "horny heron"
[18:35] <nalioth> SidStudios: this is about you.  not anyone else.
[18:35] <nalioth> SidStudios: see you tomorrow in #kubuntu
[18:35] <SidStudios> !ubuntu
[18:35] <SidStudios> Oh
[18:36] <dangergrrl> hi... i would quite respectfully like to know why referring an apparently clueless local user to a in person local users group for help would be considered offtopic
[18:37] <jussi01> dangergrrl: come again?
[18:37] <PriceChild> dangergrrl: Which channel?
[18:37] <dangergrrl> if offering someone honest help is not desired, i will no longer bother to offer help
[18:37] <dangergrrl> #ubuntu
[18:38] <PriceChild> dangergrrl: People providing help and support in #ubuntu is always welcomed.
[18:38] <dangergrrl> i asked Jack_Sparrow who kicked me why he did it and he declined to answer
[18:38] <dangergrrl> the guy turned out to b a troll anyhow
[18:38] <PriceChild> dangergrrl: But I don't think suggesting someone go to an inperson meeting, rather than just helping fix things immediately is the best way to go.
[18:39] <SidStudios> So should one get banned for such a thing?
[18:39] <mneptok> dangergrrl: and ban evasion sucks.
[18:39] <dangergrrl> perhaps but if you only have one machine and want help with the boot procedure
[18:39] <PriceChild> SidStudios: could you clarify your question please?
[18:39] <Pici> mneptok: I believe it was a kick, not a ban.
[18:40] <dangergrrl> i did not purposely evade a ban, the client did it because dangergrrl_ is not registered
[18:40] <dangergrrl> or maybe it is, i don´t remember
[18:40] <mneptok> Pici: you may be right.
[18:41] <Jack_Sparrow> I am back...
[18:41] <dangergrrl> had to kill my x server because i had a mouse grab :( and i don´t know how to break such
[18:41] <SidStudios> Pici has a nice website header, nonetheless
[18:41] <PriceChild> SidStudios: lets stay on topic please.
[18:42] <SidStudios> PriceChild: Sorry.
[18:42] <Jack_Sparrow> mneptok it was a kick not a ban
[18:42] <ompaul> SidStudios, if there is nothing else please come back tomorrow
[18:43]  * ompaul growls the word remove - not kick
[18:43] <dangergrrl> anyhow i´ll drop it, i´m just displeased because i was honestly offering help and i never ask for help without googling for answers
[18:43] <ompaul> SidStudios, please check the topic of this channel than#
[18:43] <ompaul> thanks
[18:44] <ompaul> SidStudios, was there something else?
[18:44] <SidStudios> IOW: Stop being such arrogant cocks to Dangergrrl; I honestly couldn't care about #Ubuntu/#Kubuntu, and honestly, I logged on to troll. Who the fuck said I was idling anyways?
[18:45] <ompaul> ohh well
[18:46] <ompaul> we have had a troll from that isp since as long as I can remember
[18:46] <ompaul> I wonder if it the same person for the last three or four or so years
[18:46] <ompaul> mneptok, pingalingaponggo
[18:47] <Myrtti> ompaul: you just CRACK ME UP
[18:47] <ompaul> Myrtti, you have a low cracking value ;-)
[18:47] <ompaul> good to know you find me funny
[18:47] <Pici> banned from -offtopic now too
[18:48] <ompaul> doing the rounds eh?
[18:48] <Myrtti> no I just imagined you calling the BAT phone :-D
[18:48] <Pici> ahaha
[18:48] <Myrtti> "pingalingaponggo" "this is bat residence, mneptok"
[18:48] <ompaul> hehehe
[18:48] <jussi01> weird I remember sidstudios from a while back... hrmm
[18:49] <PriceChild> my logs show tm_t claiming he's trolling a while ago
[18:49] <Myrtti> "yes, this is Sir Ompaul calling, is Batman around?" <lowers his voice> "This is batman"
[18:50] <ompaul> ahh
[18:50] <PriceChild> oh wait no, was jussi01
[18:50] <Pici> Myrtti: :D
[18:50] <ompaul> jussi01, was a troll?
[18:50]  * ompaul grins
[18:50] <PriceChild> Wed Mar 19
[18:50]  * jussi01 slaps ompaul
[18:50] <Myrtti> ooh, kinky
[18:50] <ompaul> HARDER!
[18:50]  * Myrtti gets the popcorn
[18:50] <jussi01> PriceChild: that sounds about right
[18:50] <Tm_T> PriceChild: hmmmmmmmm
[18:50] <Pici> o.o
[18:51] <PriceChild> someone also called the ops on him on the 20th
[18:52] <Myrtti> "Same BAT channel, same BAT time!"
[18:54] <Pici> Can irssi be configured to show the date in the logfiles it creates?
[18:54] <ompaul> ubotu> m1r called the ops in #ubuntu () [09:20] <jussi01> Tm_T: sidstudios trolling [09:41] <jussi01> Hmmm, ...
[18:54] <ompaul> irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/03/19/%23ubuntu-ops.txt - 48k
[18:54] <jussi01> Pici: /me thought so...
[18:54] <ompaul> SidStudios is slowly earning himself enough rope
[18:55] <ompaul> yeap classic I want to be removed tactics
[18:55] <PriceChild> pici /set timestamp_format
[18:55] <mneptok> ompaul: oy?
[18:56] <PriceChild> Pici: something like %Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S might be suitable for you
[18:56] <ompaul> mneptok, how are you this fine (read very very wet) wednesday
[18:56] <Pici> PriceChild: Exactly what I was looking for, thanks
[18:56] <mneptok> ompaul: ask me in 60m, when i get to the office
[18:57] <PriceChild> Pici: whoops sorry that's for displayed stuff
[18:57] <ompaul> mneptok, dinner almost ready :-)
[18:57] <Pici> PriceChild: yes, I see that now
[18:57] <PriceChild> pici: /set log_timestamp
[18:57] <Myrtti> mine are rotated *yawn*
[18:58] <Pici> PriceChild: That works
[18:58] <Myrtti> irkkiloki/$tag/$0-%Y%m%d.log
[18:58] <Pici> hmmm
[19:48] <Myrtti> uh-oh
[19:48] <ompaul> Myrtti, sup?
[19:48]  * ompaul is no longer funny?
[19:48] <Myrtti> oooooo good for now ;-)
[19:48] <Myrtti> but just having bad wibes on something
[19:48] <Myrtti> generally good
[19:53] <Myrtti> I'm happy and all ♥
[19:53] <Myrtti> a bit dizzy though
[19:53] <Myrtti> oh, and my uh-oh was a bit too early
[19:54] <nalioth> too many grumblecookies  :(
[19:54]  * ompaul goes to install something insane on something that used to be sane
[19:54] <ompaul> this should be fun
[19:58] <Myrtti> nalioth: but I've not had any today
[20:01] <nalioth> Myrtti: if they're bad enough, i'm sure they can have lasting effects  :(
[20:02]  * Myrtti sighs
[20:03] <Myrtti> oh, this one didn't have long term effects
[20:03] <Myrtti> I forgot what I was doing
[20:46] <Tm_T> hugging me?
[20:47] <Myrtti> grinding my teeth actually
[20:48] <Myrtti> so christel is going to lrl after all or that's what I gather from her blog post...
[20:48] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[20:48] <Myrtti> oh well
[20:48] <Myrtti> on related news
[20:48] <Myrtti> http://forum.lolcode.com/viewtopic.php?id=51
[20:52] <Myrtti> my inner Star Wars geek is awakened somehow
[21:02] <nalioth> Myrtti: looking forward to the new movie?
[21:06] <Jack_Sparrow> PriceChild Fine tuning the ban or did I shoot a bystander
[21:07] <PriceChild> i had already mutted, was removing it leaving your ban
[21:08] <Jack_Sparrow> ah
[21:10] <Myrtti> nalioth: the new Star Wars movie?
[21:10] <Myrtti> nalioth: whatwhen where
[21:10] <PriceChild> muted even
[21:37] <Dave2> .vack
[21:37] <Dave2> .
[21:55] <nalioth> Myrtti: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/starwarstheclonewars/
[23:06] <tomaw> JSPBball quit after removal
[23:07] <Jack_Sparrow> I went back and got him
[23:08] <tomaw> aye
[23:17] <tomaw> he came back, did the same to #gentoo.  klined.