[00:48] <joebob777as7> ok i figured out my printer tunneling and I can now see it on my ubuntu-server in my lan. I now need some help figuring out how to share it with my lan...
[02:05] <mm_202> Hey guys, can someone help me with a question about /proc/[pid]/stat ?
[02:06] <mm_202> Im trying to get the user & system time that the process has consumed.  But /proc/[pid]/stat seems to provide the information in 'jiffies'.
[02:06] <mm_202> I want something more like what getrusage() returns.
[02:15] <lukehasnoname> My god, the w3m debate is still raging
[02:16] <nxvl> yes, i'm just ignoring those messages
[02:16] <nxvl> it will never end
[02:16] <nxvl> as the GUI one
[02:16] <lukehasnoname> No one replied when I brought up the fact that it's 3MB installed
[02:17] <nxvl> i'm ignoring them before it
[02:17] <nxvl> :D
[02:23] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: We need to get it easier to have different variants so that all parties can be satisfied.  Both the minimalists and the generalists have good point.
[02:23] <ScottK> point/points
[02:23] <lukehasnoname> I understand that we want to make everyone happy
[02:24] <lukehasnoname> but... damn
[02:24] <lukehasnoname> 72 posts on it
[02:27] <lukehasnoname> when do you hit the sack, ScottK
[02:28] <ScottK> Not for a while yet.  Several hours at least.
[02:29] <lukehasnoname> ... when do you get up?
[02:29] <lukehasnoname> I mean
[02:29] <lukehasnoname> it's what, 2:30?
[02:29] <ScottK> One (or very few) sizes will never satisfy everyone, so there's no point in arguing much over specifics.  We need more sizes.
[02:30] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: What timezone?
[02:30] <lukehasnoname> 2:29am Wednesday (BST) - Time in London, United Kingdom
[02:30] <ScottK> Right.  I get up about 11AM your time.
[02:32] <lukehasnoname> so you sleep from 5am-5pm ... awesome. I envy you. BTW, what's your take on NetDirector, did you look at it? I might finally have a friend with good internet to host my server so I can play with software.
[02:33] <ScottK> I didn't look at it yet.
[02:34] <ScottK> From the one technical answer I got about config files it sounds to me like they punted to the admin all the tricky stuff.
[02:42] <lukehasnoname> it looks worth checking
[02:43] <lukehasnoname> to me, anyway. Create users with unique roles based on services, and be able to manage large numbers of servers at once, as well as other functions
[02:58] <ScottK> I agree it's worth looking into.
[03:19] <lukehasnoname> Can I add newer release repos to older installs, and things function?
[03:19] <lukehasnoname> such as adding hardy repos to a feisty or gutsy install
[03:23] <ScottK> No.
[03:24] <ScottK> Some packages will work, some won't.  If you want a newer package in a release, backports is the usual method.
[03:24] <ScottK> !backports | lukehasnoname
[03:24] <lukehasnoname> boosh
[03:24] <lukehasnoname> k
[03:40] <Jberg88> Hi I am trying to add a folder to my drupal install in the /sites/all diretory but I don't have to right permission to do so via FTP
[03:45] <lukehasnoname> sudo chmod 777 /sites/all/
[03:45] <lukehasnoname> or chown /sites/all/ to you
[04:24] <rodneyk> whats the best monitoring packages in the ubuntu repository besides nagios
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure we should be encouraging chmod 777
[05:21] <ScottK> Agreed.
[05:40] <LMJ> rodneyk : I have to admit I really love Hobbit to monitor all my company servers & Network
[05:46] <ScottK> sommer: Are you around?
[05:57] <ScottK> sommer: php-clamavlib is uploaded to Debian.
[08:07] <kraut> moin
[09:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #242846 in openldap2.3 (main) "update-manager could not update otrs. " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242846
[13:19] <sommer> ScottK: that's awesome :-)
[13:19] <ScottK> Congratulations.
[13:20]  * sommer reading the email reply
[13:21] <ScottK> sommer: PTS hasn't fully updated, but see the first item in News http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php-clamavlib.html
[13:23] <hubuntu> is there a deb for a newer version of mediawiki than the one in the repositories? Etch has 1.7 but we have 1.1 ??!!
[13:24] <ScottK> No.  We have 1.11 in Hardy.
[13:26] <sommer> ScottK: heh, cool
[13:26] <hubuntu> oh... sorry saw 1.1.11 not 1:1.11
[13:27] <hubuntu> hope that doesn't end in ubuntubash.org
[13:30] <Deeps> it's about as funny as everything else on there, so it could well do
[13:36] <nandersson> Where looks Mac OS X for the Bzr plugin-directory?
[13:41] <ogra> nandersson, did you ask in #bzr ?
[13:41]  * ogra doubts many people in #ubuntu-server use OS X
[13:42] <nandersson> ogra, sorry :) I was in the wrong channel
[13:42] <ogra> :)
[14:07] <Blinny> I have a cron script (named 'backup') in /etc/cron.daily. Although I have 3:25AM for the runtime in /etc/crontab, it doesn't get around to running until 7:30AM. What could be causing this, other than the 'a' named scripts (0anacron, apache2, apport, apt, aptitude) somehow taking four hours to run?
[14:09] <Shanix> hi all, would anyone know how to setup a floating IP between 2 servers? not DHCP nor dynDNS.org
[14:41] <_ruben> Shanix: "a floating ip" ??
[14:46] <Shanix> _ruben, yeah, the redhat clustering suite
[15:12] <ScottK> Anyone around that uses amavisd-new that could install a new version for testing in the next few days?
[15:25] <mindframe-> what version of ubuntu does this belong to? SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-7ubuntu3
[15:26] <mindframe-> I'm thinking Dapper... is this correct?
[15:29] <lukehasnoname_> looks like it
[15:29] <lukehasnoname_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-227539.html
[15:30] <soren> Yes.
[15:30] <soren> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh
[15:30] <ScottK> lukehasnoname_: Yesterday you recommended someone might chmod a file to 777 to solve a problem.  Please don't do that.
[15:31]  * soren concurs
[15:33] <lukehasnoname_> I concur since I didn't ask him how secure/important that dir was
[15:35] <lukehasnoname_> soren: cool link, I didn't know you could track like that in LP. I admit I haven't explored it much.
[15:38] <soren> Regardless... "chmod 777" is never a good solution. At the very least, don't provide it as a default solution unless explicitly told that the server is not networked and physically locked up in a box somewhere out of reach of children and such.
[15:38] <mindframe-> how can i get a list of security vulnerabilities associated with  	OpenSSH 4.2p1-7ubuntu3 ... obviously fixes were backported
[15:39] <lukehasnoname_> soren: ok
[15:39] <soren> mindframe-: Look at the changelog. Same page.
[15:39] <ScottK> mindframe-: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh_4.2p1-7ubuntu3.4/changelog
[15:42] <ScottK> soren: The Launchpad 'changelogs' aren't really changelogs at all, but an incomplete amalgamation of some of the things mentioned in .changes files for the release.  To get the full debian/changelog you need to go to p.u.c.
[15:43] <soren> True.
[15:43] <ScottK> There are open bugs on this in Launchpad, but it's not a high priority.
[15:43] <ScottK> It seems odd to me that data correctness and completeness don't rate highly for them, but there is obviously a lot I don't understand about Launchpad development.
[16:12] <sommer> jdstrand: I sent a patch to the ldapscripts author that allows them to work from a non-configured workstation... just fyi
[16:13] <sommer> also sent one allowing some more functionality to the template system
[16:14] <sommer> jdstrand: for reference it came up a week or more ago that ldapscripts needed to be run from a workstation configured for ldap authentication
[16:22] <_ruben> Shanix: never used RHCS, but do use linux-ha's heartbeat app in production failover setups
[16:23] <jdstrand> sommer: nice
[16:23] <Shanix> _ruben, thx
[16:35] <hubuntu> once the drupal package in installed under hardy where can I add the www path for it? DO I have to add a "sites-available" file and create a database for drupal or is there a path for me to start the installation?
[16:37] <arakthor> anyone know where to find good documentation on snmp and mib?
[16:46] <lukehasnoname_> Does anyone have personal recommendations on books covering LDAP, SANs, or Linux VM?
[16:48] <sommer> lukehasnoname_: this one's dated but pretty good: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781565924918/
[16:48] <sommer> lukehasnoname_: there's also mastering openldap by packt publishing... don't have a url
[16:49] <lukehasnoname_> I see it on amazon
[16:49] <lukehasnoname_> there are several there, I was seeing if y'all had used any of them
[16:50] <sommer> I've used both the ones I recommended :-)
[16:51] <lukehasnoname_> cool
[16:53] <lukehasnoname_> I'll check those out, esp. the Packt one since it's Open specific. If anyone asks, "Beginning Ubuntu Server Administration" and "Linux Networking Cookbook" are both really terrific
[16:56] <lukehasnoname_> In fact, the LNC has a really good chapter on OpenLDAP that I had forgotten about... I tell you, that book is very good.
[16:59] <heno> Hi nijaba, are you able to do a JeOS test install?
[17:00] <heno> we also need the default + crypted LVM server case covered
[19:25] <ScottK> mathiaz: All the MIR for the Amavisd-new/DKIM spec are approved, so you can mark that off your list.
[19:38] <mathiaz> ScottK: awesome :)
[19:38] <mathiaz> ScottK: what's the next step then ?
[19:39] <ScottK> The next step is for me to add configuration changes to the default config for amavisd-new.  I'm trying to get an NMU sponsored in Debian first so that we don't have two uploads.
[19:39] <ScottK> Then it's testing.
[19:40] <ScottK> Since libmilter got approved today too, I'll also unsplit amavisd-new-milter at the same time.
[19:49] <HomeSickA> hello all, wanted to set up a private network with a private domain. network will have about 30 or so computers both ubuntu and windows. i woud like to run a 'central' server on ubuntu server 8.04. the network has 10 computers on a lan router, we would like to bridge that to a wireless router so ppl can also connect wirelessly. i would like the server to have a domain called server.lan.com so that ppl can jsut put that in their i
[19:50] <ivoks> so, where's the problem?
[19:51] <luke_has_no_name> ivoks: I think he wants to know how to
[19:51] <HomeSickA> yes lol
[19:51] <HomeSickA> how to ;p
[19:52] <ivoks> so, that server should be dhcp server
[19:52] <HomeSickA> yes
[19:52] <HomeSickA> that server should 'run' the network
[19:52] <HomeSickA> wil the wireless users get affected? i mean doesnt the wireless router tend to do all the work?
[19:52] <ivoks> and wifi router should have dhcp service disabled, and only pass packages
[19:53] <ivoks> it should work if you disable dhcp service on it, and set an IP that would be in the same range as server
[19:53] <HomeSickA> ok, does ubuntu ship with that as a standard?
[19:53] <ivoks> with dhcp server?
[19:53] <HomeSickA> yes
[19:53] <ivoks> yes, it's on CD
[19:53] <HomeSickA> ubuntu server edition that is
[19:53] <HomeSickA> ok sweet
[19:54] <HomeSickA> im not getting 'and set an IP that would be in the same range as server'
[19:54] <HomeSickA> where do i set that
[19:54] <ivoks> dhcp3-server is the name of the package
[19:54] <ivoks> on the wifi router
[19:54] <ivoks> example:
[19:54] <HomeSickA> ok, so i set the wifi router to have an ip address?
[19:54] <ivoks> ubuntu server has an IP 192.168.0.1, it offers over dhcp 192.168.0.100-192.168.0.200
[19:55] <ivoks> then your wifi router should have 192.168.0.2
[19:55] <HomeSickA> ok im getting that
[19:55] <ivoks> having a caching DNS server would be cool, too
[19:56] <HomeSickA> caching DNS server?
[19:56] <HomeSickA> pls explain :D
[19:56] <ivoks> DNS server which doesn't have local domain, it just stores queries from other domains
[19:57] <HomeSickA> what domains are u talking about ;/ im lost. im just creating a private network, no internet
[19:59] <ajsharp> This isn't really an ubuntu specific question, it's more of a dns question but....is creating an A record for every subdomain (www.example.com) equivalent of creating cname records to the servers main A record (example.com)?
[19:59] <HomeSickA> i see i see
[19:59] <HomeSickA> i see i see: By default, BIND installs on Ubuntu configured to act as a caching DNS server
[20:00] <HomeSickA> i read a guide on bind9
[20:00] <HomeSickA> i read a guide on bind9?
[20:00] <HomeSickA> is that the way to go?
[20:02] <ivoks_> uf...
[20:04] <ivoks> where were we?
[20:05] <ivoks> last i said was caching DNS and i got lost after that
 i see i see: By default, BIND installs on Ubuntu configured to act as a caching DNS server
 i read a guide on bind9
 i read a guide on bind9?
 is that the way to go?
[20:06] <ivoks> it's been a while i configured my last dns, so i don't remember how it works out of the box
[20:06] <HomeSickA> thinnk i need to get the bind package
[20:06] <ivoks> but, i guess you'll need jus couple of configuration lines in named.conf.local
[20:06] <ivoks> to allow wueries from other machines
[20:06] <ivoks> right, bind9
[20:07] <HomeSickA> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts
[20:07] <HomeSickA> saw it there, think thats the solution hey
[20:07] <ivoks> i'm afraid of those 'perfect setups' :/
[20:07] <HomeSickA> lol thing is, im not too familiar with the server commands hey
[20:07] <HomeSickA> and thats prob all that i can find for now
[20:08] <RoAkSoAx> HomeSickA, https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/dns.html
[20:08] <ivoks> you could try ebox...
[20:09] <HomeSickA> ebox?
[20:10] <ivoks> http://ebox-platform.com/
[20:10] <ivoks> it's kind of a gui and easy linux server for begginers
[20:10] <RoAkSoAx> HomeSickA, this might help ya too: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/ebox.html
[20:10] <Luke_L> or NetDirector (try it and tell me how it works) haha
[20:11] <HomeSickA> thank you ivoks and RoAkSoAx :]
[20:11] <HomeSickA> lol Luke_L im scare ;p
[20:11] <ivoks> HomeSickA: i would suggest newer ebox packages; it has great file sharing module
[20:12] <HomeSickA> what does ebox do actually, should i use it as an alternative to ubuntu server?
[20:13] <RoAkSoAx> HomeSickA, ebox its for Ubuntu Server administration through http
[20:13] <HomeSickA> aahh, does it manage packages already installed on the ubuntu system, like bind or an ircd?
[20:14] <Luke_L> HomeSickA: ya
[20:14] <HomeSickA> think that will usefull
[20:14] <zul> ivoks: it has a file sharing module?
[20:14] <ivoks> zul: samba
[20:14] <HomeSickA> im so excited
[20:15] <ivoks> zul: really cool new module; with detailed permissions
[20:15] <HomeSickA> need to wait for my friend to bring the server edition cd this weekend so we can try al this
[20:15] <zul> ivoks: coolio
[20:15] <ivoks> i have one great movie for all sys admins:
[20:15] <ivoks> http://blip.tv/file/1015028
[20:16] <HomeSickA> ivoks any other helpful hints?
[20:18] <ivoks> HomeSickA: i don't know... :)
[20:18] <HomeSickA> :]
[20:18] <HomeSickA> oh yes
[20:19] <Luke_L> where are the IRC logs?
[20:19] <HomeSickA> i have one more q, i set up dancer-ircd. ppl can connect fine to it, but why does it take so long to connect - there is like a 10 second pause
[20:22] <HomeSickA> it has something to do with IdentLookups im sure
[20:34] <ivoks> HomeSickA: right, that's normal
[20:36] <HomeSickA> know how to fix it though?
[20:37] <HomeSickA> can't seem to find the appropriate command to slot into ircd.conf
[20:37] <ivoks> by enabling ident service, which isn't something you want
[20:37] <ivoks> or disabling it at irc server, right
[20:40] <HomeSickA> yea, how on earth do i do that mate? ;[
[20:41] <ivoks> don't know; i've never set up an irc server
[21:30] <luke_l> I just thought about the fact that FreeBSD's package selection at install time is a pretty good example of what people want in Ubuntu
[21:31] <luke_l> It's not as detailed as the FAI or the more specific "flavor" spec that ScottK wants but it's the same in principle
[21:31] <ScottK> The hard part isn't the package selection, but the integrated configuration that goes with it.
[21:34] <luke_l> right I was tihnking initally about the "minimal vs. full" debate that was going on
[21:38] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:38] <luke_l> you mean like what qualifies for each?
[21:38] <luke_l> like does w3m stay in minimal, haha
[21:39] <ScottK> For that, you're right, package selection is sufficient.
[21:39] <ScottK> For what I'm trying to do in the flavor spec is get a set of packages with a set integrated configuration.  That's a harder bit.
[21:40] <luke_l> right.
[21:58] <colin_> hello
[21:59] <luke_l> yo
[21:59] <colin_> I'm trying to install Ubuntu server on my Compaq Proliant DL380 G1, but it does not reconizes my raid controller correctly
[22:00] <colin_> does anyone know a solution for this?
[22:28] <HomeSickA> hello, should i install the lamp bundle during the server installation or should i install each part separately?
[22:28] <hads> 6 of one half a dozen of the other :)
[22:29] <ScottK> It depends on if you want to do more work or less.  If you want less, just install the LAMP stack.
[22:29] <HomeSickA> what about the configuration?
[22:30] <HomeSickA> can i install the lamp bundle, then just configure it the way http://tinyurl.com/65jzxw states
[22:35] <luke_l> yes
[22:35] <luke_l> but LAMP install is just as easy and probably does what you need
[22:36] <HomeSickA> great
[22:36] <HomeSickA> :)