[00:15] hey there, I have a FAT32 partition I want read/write access to. I have it mounted at /media/FAT32, but it's the fstab bit I have problems with, can anyone help please? [00:16] how did you mount it in /media/FAT32? [00:17] [00:19] homebrewcider: so an fstab line like "/dev/sda6 /media/FAT32 auto defaults 0 0' should probably do what you want [00:20] though you might want to change the defaults to do something like setup the group, owner, and umask since fat32 doesn't have permissions [00:21] I'll try that [00:24] no, no good [00:24] how so? [00:24] not giving me write access [00:24] but did it get mounted? [00:25] I had no problems mounting it before, that's not the problem, writing is the problem [00:25] anyone here? [00:26] as I mentioned... fat doesn't have permissions. When mounted through fstab everything will appear to be owned by root:root by default [00:26] Ok how do we get a windows partition to show up in thunar. [00:26] if you have a single users system you can replace the 'defaults' column with something like 'uid=1000' [00:26] I alread have it in /etc/fstab [00:27] homebrewcider: that will basicall make everything be owned by the user 1000 which is usually the id associated with the first user on the system [00:28] like this? [00:28] I believe that is right [00:29] that's not working either [00:29] again, not working how? Does it mount? [00:30] it's been mounted the whole time [00:30] if you do an ls on it after you have remounted does it show you as the owner? [00:30] homebrewcider: you realize you have unmount/remount when you make a change to the fstab right? [00:30] or reboot [00:30] oh [00:31] so unmount the volume then do a 'sudo mount -a' [00:31] huh [00:31] zoredache can I get our attention after homebrewcider [00:32] Shaba1: what do you mean by show up in thunar? If you want it to show up on the desktop I don't know anything about that [00:32] Shaba1, is it mounted? [00:32] Well it shows up in /etc/fstab [00:33] but when I open thundar its not there [00:33] if you do a 'mount' in a terminal does it show up? [00:33] Shaba1, do a 'df -h' [00:33] see if it is listed [00:33] hold on [00:33] ok, that worked, can I just ask you why "sudo mount -a" is different to me doing "sudo mount /dev/sda6 /media/FAT32" ? [00:34] yep it is liste by that command as /dev/sda1 [00:34] homebrewcider: mount -a will read the fstab and automatically mount everything not flaged with 'noauto' [00:34] the -a mounts all partitions listed in /etc/fstab [00:34] yeah that... [00:34] its monted on [00:34] sorry [00:35] I'm sure in the past my fstab had options like noauto,user,exec,noatime [00:35] that command says its "Mounted on" /Media/Cdrive [00:35] so when I was mounting it before it wasn't reading the fstab? [00:35] is that right? [00:36] sloopy? [00:36] homebrewcider: I am not quite sure... [00:36] Shaba1: try browsing to the folder /media/cdrive [00:36] Shaba1, then put that in thundar and see it [00:36] thanx anyway [00:36] put in in how? [00:36] put what in [00:36] the "/dev/sda1 part [00:37] err sry was thinking different... click on file system then media [00:37] or the "/Media/Cdrive" part? [00:37] homebrewcider: I know that sometimes it will look at the fstab if you dont' provide enough options. I have never cared enough to look it up [00:37] ok, cheers, I'm off then, thanks [00:37] Shaba1: with thunar open click the go menu then open location [00:37] click on 'filesystem' on left then click on Media folder on right [00:38] i am still not overly exp with GUIs ;') [00:38] ok sloopy dont that [00:38] now what [00:38] ? [00:38] Cdrive should be a folder on right side now [00:39] Ok that got it [00:39] I just dragged it there [00:40] Ok how do I get that icon to show up on the desktop also? [00:40] instead of having to open thunar every time [00:41] never mind [00:41] I got it done [00:42] Ok thanks [00:42] well now [00:42] np [00:42] that helps a lot [00:42] now does anyone have any Idea how I can get vino-server to start up automagically? [00:43] Never mind answering that [00:43] I have to run down the the laundry [00:43] brb [00:43] yes but i dont know how to do it the proper 'ubuntu' way ;') [00:45] you can check applications>system>services to see if it listed and check it there [01:02] hiysa [01:02] howdo i setup a system proxy in xubuntu 8.04? [01:05] anyone know how to install kplayer on xubuntu? [01:05] Nicekiwi9: I don't believe there really is a system proxy... what are you trying to run that needs it? [01:06] Steam [01:06] and Firefox is oddly refuseing my proxy too... tho im nto sure if thats related or not [01:07] someone here yesturday told me to do "export proxy_somthing http://etc:8080 [01:07] but they dident say where or how [01:07] with vlc I usually us a command like 'export http_proxy=http://localhost:9999/ ; vlc' [01:07] you create a script, or launcher that does that [01:08] cant i set one up for the enviroment? or somthing so all programs will run off it? [01:08] somthing to do with the /etc/enviroment file [01:08] Nicekiwi9: yes, it almost certainly can be done... I haven't cared/need to know enough to find out [01:09] but in the dcase of steam? running through crossover games..... [01:09] It seems like crossover would have to have something [01:10] which it dosent =( [01:10] are you sure steam will even use a proxy? I didn't thing it was http based [01:10] it is strangly enough.... [01:10] it works on ubuntu with the system proxy enabled..... [01:11] =S [01:13] how do i edit a readonly file via terminal? [01:13] or through anything [01:13] usually it is read-only because it is owned by root and you don't have permissions [01:13] how do i give myself permission? [01:14] i know in ubuntu i could go "sudo gedit etc" [01:14] the *buntu was is usually to use sudo/gksu start a program with permission. In this case you would use sudo editor blah [01:14] but gedit isent here [01:14] mousepad is the default gui editor [01:14] nano or vi are available if you like/want a text mode editor [01:17] hmm ok... [01:17] can u think of any reason y my proxy would be flattly refusing connection to my Xbuntu box [01:17] in firfox [01:17] the correct seetings r set and it was working last night.... [01:18] i was messing with the export proxy_http command which wasent working and i shutdown... [01:18] now the proxy bluntly wont connect [01:18] can you telnet to the proxy? 'telnet host port' [01:19] if you get connected you should be able to type a command like 'get /' followed by and you'll get an error [01:19] nope :S [01:20] if you can't telnet do it, that seems like it would indicate you either don't have any connectivity (check cables, ping, etc), or you have firewalled yourself out [01:21] :S [01:22] * Nicekiwi9 cries [01:22] thnkx for ur help [01:23] Ok back [01:23] sloopy [01:23] Its not in services [01:23] I was trying to find out how I could put it there [01:28] do I have to build kplayer from source? [01:28] how do i clear any proxy settings enabled on the system [01:29] Shaba1, yeah i dont know the ubuntu way to do it... (in fedora you would use chkconfig but debian/ubuntu doesnt have that) [01:30] you can install sysv-rc-conf... [01:30] You know this is the first time I have ever seen anyone chatting in this channel [01:30] at least i know its not dead [01:30] that's because it's #xubuntu-offtopic that's for chatting [01:31] do I have to build kplayer from source? kplayer is the best video player I've ever seen on linux, shame to see it not being included [01:32] !info kplayer | proprietarysucks [01:32] proprietarysucks: Package kplayer does not exist in hardy [01:32] hmm.. it's there in Intrepid [01:33] not sure what that means [01:33] !intrepid [01:33] Alpha Software: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - #ubuntu+1 for discussion | Warning lots of breaking software between now and October! [01:33] so in other words yes I must build it from source [01:33] thanks [01:34] proprietarysucks: you could try installing the package from debian, it works sometimes [01:34] proprietarysucks: or check getdeb.net [01:34] not there [01:35] you could try getting the intrepid source package and backporting it... [01:37] how do you guys exist with no kplayer [01:37] also where can I look for this source [01:38] proprietarysucks: packages.ubuntu.com [01:38] man that's cool they must finally be getting away from the 7-year old mentality names for the distros [01:38] and on to the car names.. better at least [01:39] thanks, I see it [01:40] whew! [01:40] 192MB will be installed [01:40] Shaba1, people talk on and off 24hours a day here... [01:41] which is funny since it's 2331kb package [01:41] oh well it's worth it, bombs away [01:41] proprietarysucks: it probably has to install half of the kde [01:41] my scroll back on has 8 hours in it... [01:41] Every time I have come in for the last three weeks there have been 10-40 nick in the room but no on talking [01:41] 56 packages whew [01:41] Shaba1: you have to ask the question :) [01:41] well I'm talking now so be happy =D [01:41] try going to #Linux-M68k my scroll back could contain weeks of chat... ;') [01:42] Shaba1: not to mention #linux-z80 [01:43] TheSheep, i am an op in LM68k channel, so i am more familiar with it... [01:43] z80 [01:43] that is and old 8 bit chip [01:43] ?? [01:43] yes it is [01:43] I remember programming for those back in the early 80s [01:44] neat instruction set they had :) [01:44] i was more a 6502/68k person [01:45] That was my next step up [01:45] that 6210 [01:45] heh i just looked it up, my nick has been reg'd for over 6 years on freenode/OPN [01:45] sorry [01:45] 6510 [01:45] 6510?!??! commodore 64 user? [01:45] * TheSheep jumped to 80086 right away [01:45] how do i add a program to the startup [01:46] yes! kplayer finally [01:46] thanks for the tips about 8.10 [01:46] Nicekiwi9: settings->setting manager->autostarted applications [01:46] proprietarysucks: beware of beta software [01:46] hmm I wonder what will happen if I do a system wide update [01:46] hahaha... wish me luck [01:47] i only started using x86 as my main machine 2 years ago [01:47] with the intrepid repo enabled [01:47] proprietarysucks: I did last week and I'm still alive [01:47] proprietarysucks: although ff crashes when I select 'save as' :) [01:47] firefox has a save as? why [01:48] Ok off topic question/opinion poll [01:48] man 697 packages [01:48] to save the awesome pron you find ;') [01:48] proprietarysucks: so that you can save a web page, style, image, etc. [01:48] lucky I'm at work getting over 800kbs [01:48] Has anyone ever downloaded a program where the was a general desciption of what it does on the web page [01:48] proprietarysucks, not in the US or dont have broadband at home? [01:48] proprietarysucks: more breakage expected until october though [01:48] but NO instruction on how to do it either on the page or with the program. [01:49] like you get a set of menus and thats it. [01:49] Shaba1: that's pretty common with opensource... [01:49] Shaba1, often [01:49] you don't get solid 800kbs at home in us [01:49] It suck [01:49] unless you have fios or something [01:49] I mean I do not expect like a thousand page manual [01:50] but some kinda start here page or something [01:50] nope i have cable, and it runs flawlessly (yes i know i am one of the few ;') [01:50] Shaba1: usually someone wrote it for himself and just shared [01:50] hey xubuntu people, the help does nothing at all in the remote desktop viewer [01:50] fyi, kthnxbye [01:50] proprietarysucks: you need yelp installed [01:50] proprietarysucks: it's a known problem [01:50] ok thanks [01:50] Sheep I know that [01:50] glad it will be fixed [01:51] but damn its not like we can read the programmers mind. [01:51] proprietarysucks: it can take several years until a version of yelp for xfce is made :) [01:51] use the source, its better then docs ;') [01:51] proprietarysucks: I tried to make one once, but failed [01:51] Shaba1: what program? [01:51] TheSheep: can they remove the help > contents menu item then? [01:52] pretty stupid to have a menu item which does nothing [01:52] extra bulk [01:52] Well the most recent on is something called the Xdebuggerclient [01:52] !bugs | proprietarysucks [01:52] proprietarysucks: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [01:52] google doesn't find that program, maybe you are spelling it wrong? [01:52] I don't create accounts to report bugs [01:53] too many distros sorry [01:53] Oh proprietarysucks I was not asking for help with it at all [01:54] it just still amazes me after all these year using computers that programmers still think that users can read thier minds and intentions [01:54] it doesn't exist so I'm glad about that [01:54] hard to find help on imaginary packages [01:54] Oh I was not asking for help at all [01:55] just making a comment. [01:55] I know that, I read your comments [01:55] but I want an example [01:55] and the one you gave me is imaginary [01:56] you know what else is freaking annoying, when commands have different than standard syntax [01:56] or don't just use stdin/stdout/stderr [01:56] and its at this address if you really want to see it [01:56] http://code.google.com/p/xdebugclient/ [01:56] gah that's annoying [01:57] Shaba1, your work has been cut out for you... be the champion of open source project documentation! make docs where none exist, translate into x^16 laguanges and be an all around good user ;'D [01:57] uh-oh, E: base-passwd: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9 [01:57] yeah right [01:58] si correcto [01:58] I am just trying to eat from day to day right now sloopy [01:58] you're almost there [01:58] eating is overated... [01:58] Which is beginning to be a struggle [01:58] in synaptic how can you just view the possible upgrades, for single selecting [01:59] i used to buy food when i was hungry and didnt have and food... [01:59] <--is used to yumex [01:59] yumes? [01:59] err yumex? [01:59] yeah I've been using yumex for a long time, not used to synaptic package manager yet [01:59] how can I see the upgrades available? [02:00] hmmm yum... looks familiar... [02:00] I see only 'mark all upgrades' [02:00] i want to mark SOME upgrades =] [02:00] i have used yum... and yup before that [04:25] does anyone here use vuze? [04:26] i can't get it to start on xub after switching to classic interface [04:26] it's the wierdest thing [04:29] anyone? [04:30] * totalwormage doesn't :] [04:30] sorry [04:35] now that's interesting [04:36] the latest vuze client doesn't work, but go back one release and it works [04:58] good night everyone (: just wanted to ask how well xubuntu can/will run with 64MB of RAM, if at all... [04:59] !requirements [04:59] Hardware requirements to install, boot and comfortably use Xubuntu are listed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingXubuntu [04:59] :D [04:59] it will run, but slow :P [05:00] okay... lots of swap space won't change that much, right? [05:00] (on an IDE hard drive, nothing fancy) [05:00] i guess not [05:03] oh, I just remembered that 8 or 16 MB of that are gonna be shared VRAM ): [05:06] T045T: with that ammount of ram, your best bet would be debian or slackware, and fluxbox [05:06] I had a custom built slackware install that only used 30mb of ram logged in [05:06] it was pretty tight [05:07] err I should say, that was running fluxbox, nothing else at the time [05:07] hehehe [05:07] firefox will still be slow [05:07] mortal1: I'm burning the fluxbuntu iso right now... any experience with that? [05:08] flubuntu looked unsupported the last i saw [05:08] yeah, it does... their last release was a loong time ago [05:09] T045T: your best bet if you want buntu is to install xub and then install fluxbox [05:10] I probably could do debian, but I'm more of a "casual" linux user, I guess... so I don't know how well that would work out [05:12] like i said, dl xub and install fluxbox and use that [05:12] plus, the hardware I'm working with is very unreliable... I don't even know if the CD drive is working correctly... keeps giving me read errors for no good reason (I burnt the disc twice, and only on 8x this second time) [05:12] ah! let me guess 8.04? [05:13] nope, fluxbuntu 7.10 [05:13] oh [05:13] nvm [05:13] aight, to bed i go [05:13] night [05:13] night [06:38] What does it mean to be official in this application? Can I get help with mysql on xubuntu here or must I go elsewhere? [06:41] chasman, hi [06:42] chasman, This might not be the best place to ask for mysql help but if you ask and someone knows the answer then they'll respond [07:52] Thank you cody-somerville. I have been working for hours on this error. I have no trouble on windoz but It seems lot have the same issue on *nix. I am going to try a fresh linux distribution. thank you for your kind words. === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [13:14] TheSheep, ping [13:14] hey [13:15] TheSheep, you suffer from bug #232364 right? [13:15] Launchpad bug 232364 in xfce4-utils "dbus-launch hangs at session start waiting on socket output in libxcb" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232364 [13:16] cody-somerville: not anymore [13:16] TheSheep, why? [13:16] * TheSheep <-- Intrepid [13:17] didn't you work around it? [13:19] TheSheep, So are you saying you installed the package from -proposed? [13:20] yeah, I have proposed enabled in my repo list [13:20] and I'm doing regular updates [13:21] TheSheep, Please report your success as a comment on bug #232364 [13:21] Launchpad bug 232364 in xfce4-utils "dbus-launch hangs at session start waiting on socket output in libxcb" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232364 [13:21] Say you that before the update you were experiencing the problem but after the update you no longer experience it [13:21] cody-somerville: when did you actually made the fix available, btw? [13:22] cody-somerville: because the bug seems to be gone since several weeks [13:22] It was accepted June 30th [13:23] Did you maybe make the changes yourself? [13:23] no [13:23] Is there a 64 bit opera on their site? [13:23] Volkodav: no [13:23] Volkodav: the yare too lazy to make a 64-bit version [13:23] there must be reps somewhere [13:24] same ith Adobe and other lazy bums [13:24] TheSheep, Can you pastebin your /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc ? [13:24] I have beta 2 9.5 running 64 bit [13:24] Volkodav: there is no 64bit opera, period. [13:24] Volkodav: it's possible to run 32bit opera on 64bit [13:24] Version [13:24] 9.50 Beta 2 [13:24] Build [13:24] 1800 [13:24] Platform [13:24] Linux [13:24] System [13:24] x86_64, 2.6.24-19-generic [13:24] Qt library [13:24] 3.3.8b\ [13:25] too long paste sorry [13:26] Volkodav: so it seems they made it finally? [13:26] Volkodav: that's great news, sorry for confusion [13:26] I have been running it for a while [13:26] I'll find the link [13:26] Volkodav: maybe you could add the link to the howto on opera on the wiki [13:27] I might if I find 9.5 [13:27] if not I can put the beta 64 that I use [13:27] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser [13:27] hmm... there is a link already, cool [13:30] cody-somerville: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/78351/ [13:32] anyone know how to get screensaver to work? thx [13:40] cody-somerville: TheSheep does xubuntu use PA by default? [13:43] PA == pulse audio [13:43] <|THoM|> I have the following question: I have a laptop with Vista on the HDD. I also have an external USB HDD for backup. I want to get the choice at booting between both OS's. When installing Xubuntu, it chooses the external USB HDD. Can I just choose the size of the partition, and than everything works without losing the files that are allready on the external USB HDD? [13:55] lks, Yes :) [13:55] lks, It is a bug in Hardy which I've prepared a fix for and am working on getting an SRU done. [13:55] lks, bug #220899 [13:55] Launchpad bug 220899 in xubuntu-default-settings "[Hardy] Wrong default image browser" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220899 [13:55] TheSheep, Okay so you are using the -proposed version. Please report success on the bug [13:55] cody-somerville: thx for the info [13:56] lks, This *should* fix it for you: Click sessions at login and select xfce4 and then login [13:57] cody-somerville: does that mean it'll be done thru one of them system update? === adam is now known as maxamillion [13:57] lks, eventually, yes. [13:57] cody-somerville: alright, i'll try what've u told me there...cheers [13:58] lks, before you go [13:59] cody-somerville: anything else [13:59] lks, if it *doesn't* work, look at .dmrc in your home directory [14:00] lks, It should read: Session=xfce4 [14:00] Instead of: Session=default [14:00] "[Desktop]" should be on the line above that [14:01] cody-somerville: is not ...so i should change it to xfce4? [14:02] lks, It should do that when you logout, click session and then xfce4, and then login [14:02] cody-somerville: cool...nice one [14:05] TheSheep, please :P [14:09] cody-someville: worked like a treat...;)..lovely jubbly mate [14:12] lks, thanks. [14:13] Can you post your success on bug #220899? [14:13] Launchpad bug 220899 in xubuntu-default-settings "[Hardy] Wrong default image browser" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220899 [14:14] cody-somerville: how do u go about that...i just go the site n write what just happened [14:14] lks, Yes, make a comment on the bug. [14:14] Say that you simulated the affect of my upload to -proposed and that it was successful [14:15] cody-somerville: i [14:15] lks, Infact, if you just explain the steps you took I can make a comment explaining :) [14:17] cody-somerville: i'll try...cos i am a bit of a novice and gotten a bit confused once there [14:17] lks, Okay. can you send me a quick e-mail (cody-somerville@ubuntu.com) stating what I asked of you and I'll get back to you with detailed instructions [14:17] I gotta jet for now :) [14:17] lks, thanks for helping out :) [14:18] cody-somerville : good day...i'll post something regardless [14:22] TheSheep, you commented on the wrong bug ;] [14:22] TheSheep, you want bug #232364 [14:22] Launchpad bug 232364 in xfce4-utils "dbus-launch hangs at session start waiting on socket output in libxcb" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232364 [14:22] cody-somerville: how so? [14:22] arrgh [14:24] I suppose I cannot undo it? [14:25] TheSheep, don't worry about it [14:44]