| LaserJock | anybody know how to give cmake arguments in debian/rules when using the CDBS cmake.mk ? | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| nixternal | LaserJock: what arguments? | 00:13 |
| nixternal | -DCMAKE_FOO='--foo' | 00:13 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: like I know the -Dblah I want to give cmake | 00:13 |
| LaserJock | while waiting for an answer I looked in cmake.mk real quick and decided to just try CMAKE = cmake -Dblah | 00:14 |
| nixternal | did it work? | 00:16 |
| LaserJock | not sure yet | 00:16 |
| LaserJock | it didn't make it FTBFS in any case | 00:16 |
| nixternal | I think just adding the -Dblah part to rules will work | 00:16 |
| LaserJock | but where | 00:16 |
| nixternal | I typically put it top level, not under anything | 00:17 |
| nixternal | take a look at any of the -kde4 packages to get an idea as well | 00:17 |
| LaserJock | upstream tells me this flag is supposed to make my package build faster and make the app not crash | 00:20 |
| LaserJock | why it's not set by default then I'm not sure | 00:20 |
| nixternal | build faster? ie. setting the status to "RELEASE" I think instead of "DEBUG" ? | 00:23 |
| LaserJock | yes, exactly | 00:24 |
| LaserJock | hmm, my first try it didn't do anything | 00:25 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: do any of your packages specifically use RELEASE? | 00:25 |
| * LaserJock curses CDBS again :-) | 00:26 | |
| nixternal | cdbs rocks! | 00:26 |
| nixternal | not yet they don't...the KDE 4 packages I think we are still releasing with the debug | 00:27 |
| nixternal | option | 00:27 |
| LaserJock | ok | 00:28 |
| LaserJock | I think I should probably too until this package gets out of Debian experimental | 00:28 |
| nixternal | probably | 00:28 |
| LaserJock | I've got a patch to fix the crasher in question, I think I'll just upload that | 00:29 |
| LaserJock | upstream said either the patch or using RELEASE would work | 00:29 |
| nixternal | alrighty, time to leave the office, go grab a couple of drinks and make my way home | 00:33 |
| nixternal | have fun :) | 00:33 |
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| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: do you know if there is a bug on kubuntu-kde4-desktop for intrepid? Its not installable due to deps i think | 08:09 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/intrepid_probs.html | 08:11 |
| ubuntu__ | hi Hobbsee | 08:11 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: thanks | 08:11 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: no need for a bug - we have lists of main installability there | 08:11 |
| Hobbsee | hey ubuntu__, how's it going? | 08:12 |
| ubuntu__ | Not bad Hobbsee how's school? | 08:12 |
| Hobbsee | on holidays atm :) | 08:12 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: it needs an update | 08:12 |
| ubuntu__ | Hobbsee: So absolutlely grand then :) | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: likely, yes | 08:15 |
| gnomefreak | starting at qt4-x11 to the last one on list have superseeded the version listed or are now at version listed and they install | 08:16 |
| * gnomefreak worked from bottom up i havent gotten past qt4-x11 | 08:16 | |
| Hobbsee | i suspect it's all still a bit broken with recommends by deafult. | 08:18 |
| supert0nes[A] | i must say that http://nuno-icons.com//images/estilo/imagefolders2.png is the best mockup of kde i have ever seen, I can't wait till my folderview looks like that. I realize many things wont turn out tlike this, but i do hope folderview does | 08:21 |
| ubuntu__ | supert0nes[A]: Nice thing about plasma is anyone can code it :) | 08:25 |
| supert0nes[A] | i've been waiting for python binding documenation | 08:29 |
| supert0nes[A] | most of all i like the list view, which will probably see light in folderview and the ability to collapse apps | 08:34 |
| ubuntu__ | hi hunger | 08:52 |
| ubuntu__ | supert0nes: I was under the impression that the folderview IS the dolphinview | 09:11 |
| supert0nes | i was too if only i knew how to change it | 09:11 |
| supert0nes | maybe some text file | 09:11 |
| ubuntu__ | supert0nes: folderview is a month old yet? :) | 09:12 |
| ubuntu__ | Let it grow a little | 09:12 |
| supert0nes | i'm so addicted ahaha | 09:12 |
| ubuntu__ | supert0nes: To Plasma? careful you may get burned :) | 09:15 |
| supert0nes | i lived through 4.0 | 09:15 |
| supert0nes | i'm immune | 09:15 |
| ubuntu__ | :-) | 09:24 |
| ubuntu__ | What do you wanto build in Python supert0nes? | 09:24 |
| supert0nes | i don't know c++ yet even tho i know most all of this is using the plasma bindings | 09:24 |
| supert0nes | i'm still learning languages as a college student | 09:24 |
| supert0nes | i would like nothing more than to learn enough to contribute to kde or kubuntu | 09:26 |
| ubuntu__ | supert0nes: choose a project | 09:27 |
| ubuntu__ | Both KDE and Kubuntu have quite a choice | 09:27 |
| supert0nes | i feel like the learning curve is quite a leap kindof like efficiently using vim heh | 09:27 |
| supert0nes | well i have a test tomorrow talk to ya later | 09:31 |
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| ubuntu__ | Byr | 09:34 |
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| \sh | does anyone know of a bzr gui tool for kde? | 09:53 |
| Riddell | qbzr | 09:54 |
| \sh | Riddell: packaged already? | 09:56 |
| Riddell | dunno, I'd expect so | 09:59 |
| \sh | na | 10:00 |
| \sh | packages.ubuntu.com somehow down, but launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qbzr doesn't give anything | 10:00 |
| gnomefreak | i thought the bzr tool/plugin was for any X sesion | 10:00 |
| gnomefreak | \sh: no there isnt one for bzr the one i was thinking of was for gtk | 10:01 |
| \sh | https://edge.launchpad.net/~luks/+archive | 10:01 |
| gnomefreak | \sh: AFAIK there is no such package qbzr | 10:06 |
| gnomefreak | if you search bzr you will see what they have | 10:07 |
| \sh | gnomefreak: there is :) | 10:07 |
| \sh | gnomefreak: but it not build for hardy, but for gutsy | 10:07 |
| gnomefreak | in archives? | 10:07 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 10:07 |
| \sh | gnomefreak: nope...ppa of luks | 10:07 |
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| Riddell | \sh: go package for intrepid! | 10:16 |
| hunger | hi there. | 11:02 |
| Riddell | morning hunger | 11:04 |
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| Riddell | hmm, upgrading to intrepid and the wifi light on my thinkpad has started to work for the first time | 12:25 |
| Riddell | it keep blinking whenever there's traffic, this is most annoying | 12:25 |
| hunger | Riddell: That LED works for me on hardy and all the way back to breezy:-) | 12:26 |
| hunger | Riddell: But you are right: It *is* annoying. | 12:26 |
| Riddell | this might call for some duct tape | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | usually people are happy when some hardware starts working :P | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: they seem to normally stay on while it's connected, which is less annoying than the flash. but intrepid seems weird. | 12:35 |
| Riddell | so folks, alpha 2 is due next week but I'm on holiday, who wants to be release dude? | 12:35 |
| Riddell | hmm, silence.. | 12:39 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:39 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: did anyone besides you ever do the release dude stuff? | 12:40 |
| Riddell | well slangasek does the actual release dude stuff | 12:40 |
| Riddell | on the kubuntu side we just need to make sure everything installs and mostly works, get the CDs tested then update the website at release time | 12:41 |
| * apachelogger isn't 100% sure whether he is around... might be an trip through europe | 12:43 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: translated average is 45% currently | 12:44 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: k - should I do something about that? | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | nah, just wanted to note that | 12:45 |
| Nightrose | ok thx | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: but I think I made commitment for beta release | 12:46 |
| Nightrose | k | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: final needs > 1 month string freeze | 12:46 |
| Nightrose | *nod* | 12:47 |
| * Nightrose demands shiny scripts :P | 12:47 | |
| Nightrose | and how much time did you promisse for beta? | 12:47 |
| Riddell | kubuntu/daily: Uninstallable packages: | 12:48 |
| Riddell | amarok 2:1.4.9.1-2ubuntu2 produces uninstallable binaries: * amarok (amd64 i386) | 12:48 |
| Riddell | can anyone see why that's having problems? installs fine for me | 12:48 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: is that list outdated? | 12:50 |
| Riddell | it's today's | 12:50 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:51 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: that error is a bit vague | 12:52 |
| * apachelogger notice anything special about the package | 12:53 | |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: how much time did you promisse before beta? | 12:54 |
| * Nightrose needs to make a plan when to bug whom | 12:54 | |
| apachelogger | hzn | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: apparently none | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | Major release + release candidates: 30 days freeze | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | Usual trunk releases: 20 days freeze | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | Stable releases: 10 days freeze | 12:55 |
| Nightrose | k | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: actually the final freeze starts for the rc | 12:56 |
| Nightrose | *nod* | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | so 30 days before the rc trunk needs to go in completel string freeze | 12:56 |
| Nightrose | k | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: as for the beta ... if I described some time frame in the release spec on rokymotion then use that, otherwise you might considering introducing a soft-freeze for the beta stage | 12:57 |
| Nightrose | will do | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: does it recompose the complete image everyday or just upgrade the packages? | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | might be that there is an upgrade issue | 12:59 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: new image every day | 13:01 |
| Riddell | I just upgraded from hardy and it uninstalled amarok-common | 13:01 |
| apachelogger | hm | 13:01 |
| apachelogger | amarok-common can't be uninstalled | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | there was no -common in hardy | 13:02 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Kub seems to be testing okay :) | 13:02 |
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| Riddell | davmor2: hardy.1? | 13:03 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: i get an error compiling qlix http://paste.ubuntu.com/24695/ i think its come from errors of the source, i am right? if what i have to do? contact the upstream? | 13:04 |
| mouz | apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mouz | 13:05 |
| \sh | Xand3r: mtp/MtpDevice.cpp:774: error: 'strdup' was not declared in this scope <- erorr...strdup is missing..looks like an include problem | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | gcc 4.3 strikes again :D | 13:06 |
| Xand3r | i see | 13:06 |
| Xand3r | i will in form the upstream | 13:06 |
| Riddell | shouldn't be hard to fixs | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | hm | 13:07 |
| Riddell | add a #include <string.h> | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: please paste the URL for download | 13:07 |
| * apachelogger is wondering whether that mtp directory is actually a snapshot of libmtp | 13:07 | |
| Xand3r | http://download.berlios.de/qlix/Qlix-0.2-b1.tar.bz2 | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | mouz: looks good, please document your motu related activities as precise as possible | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | mouz: e.g. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexanderKopf https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StephenStalcup/MOTU | 13:10 |
| davmor2_dinner | Riddell: yeap | 13:11 |
| Riddell | davmor2_dinner: great | 13:12 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: i gave youz the wrong link | 13:16 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: the upstream already packaged it https://launchpad.net/~caffein/+archive | 13:16 |
| Xand3r | but this is not the best solution i think | 13:17 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: what's wrong with it? | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | huh, that debian/ dir is quite "dirty" :D | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | substvars + files | 13:19 |
| Xand3r | not using cdbs, control is not complete, | 13:19 |
| Xand3r | jo | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | actually | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | well | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | control only needs a proper description | 13:19 |
| Xand3r | so i thought i build an on one using the good things of it | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: ask upstream | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | maybe he wants to do it himself | 13:20 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: for what? | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | less work for you :P | 13:20 |
| Xand3r | ok | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | and he can get on the motu train as well | 13:20 |
| Xand3r | hmm | 13:20 |
| Xand3r | what i have to say? | 13:21 |
| Riddell | "this package needs X and Y done to it. do you want to do that and have us upload it into ubuntu? or shall we do it." | 13:22 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24708/ | 13:30 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: may want to add a "Saw you had packages of qlix, I'd like it to get into Ubuntu but it needs some changes" | 13:34 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: he informed me that he had packaged it | 13:35 |
| Xand3r | and he wanted a feed back | 13:36 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: ok, just say "looked at the package, here's some comments" | 13:37 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: Did I show you my wii yet? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jonathan265 | 13:37 |
| Xand3r | ok | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: perfect | 13:38 |
| vorian | shiny | 13:40 |
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| apachelogger | hm | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | amarok is broken | 13:47 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: what shall i do with ./client/crystalclient.h: MIT/X11 (BSD like) | 13:48 |
| Xand3r | is the licence BSD? | 13:48 |
| Xand3r | or MIT/X11 | 13:48 |
| JontheEchidna | I'd think it's MIT/X11 | 13:49 |
| Xand3r | ok | 13:49 |
| Xand3r | but thi licens i cant find in /usr/share/common-licenses | 13:50 |
| Xand3r | so where i can refer to | 13:50 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: just copy and paste the whole thing | 13:51 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: in which way? | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: hardy -> intrepid uninstalls amarok | 13:52 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: that's what I said earlier :) | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | nah | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | you said amarok-common :P | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | the problem is that amarok-common replaces amarok <= 1.4.8 | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | while -common doesn't depend on amarok at all ... apt apparently wants to remove amarok completely | 13:53 |
| apachelogger | :S | 13:53 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24712/ | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: that should cause apt to update amarok before amarok-common, right? | 13:56 |
| Riddell | hopefully | 13:56 |
| * apachelogger trys with ppa | 13:58 | |
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| Xand3r | gnaa again gcc4.3 http://paste.ubuntu.com/24718/ | 14:18 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: do you have /usr/include/kdecoration.h from kdebase-workspace-dev installed? | 14:19 |
| Xand3r | is that mention there? | 14:20 |
| * Xand3r is reading again | 14:20 | |
| Riddell | search for the first "error" | 14:21 |
| Xand3r | i have to read carefully in future-.- | 14:21 |
| Xand3r | no kdebase-workspace-dev is not in the depends | 14:21 |
| Riddell | add it :) | 14:22 |
| Xand3r | thx | 14:22 |
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| Xand3r | apachelogger: muss man einen englischen blog führen wenn man kubuntu member werden will? | 14:36 |
| Nightrose | Xand3r: you don't need to blog at all | 14:43 |
| Nightrose | but if you want to be on the planet then yes | 14:43 |
| Nightrose | but that is up to you | 14:43 |
| Riddell | you don't need to blog? | 14:44 |
| Xand3r | for me it is much work do make an dual language homepage | 14:44 |
| Xand3r | i found the MIT/X11 licence here http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT-Lizenz | 14:47 |
| Xand3r | but wich copyrightholder i have to place in? | 14:47 |
| Xand3r | the copyrightholder of the source? | 14:49 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: copy what ./client/crystalclient.h says into debian/copyright | 14:52 |
| Xand3r | ok | 14:54 |
| Xand3r | thx | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: Xand3r asked whether one has to have an english blog in order to become kubuntu member | 15:16 |
| ScottK | There's no requirement to have a blog at all. | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | that's what Nightrose said :) | 15:17 |
| ScottK | If there was, I'd be out. | 15:17 |
| Riddell | if you don't a blog, you won't get any fan mail | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | ah | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | cool | 15:18 |
| * apachelogger pushes amarok packaging | 15:18 | |
| * ScottK considers that a feature and no bug. | 15:19 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please upload ubuntu3 ... maybe it also fixes the cd creation issue | 15:21 |
| Riddell | don't we already have ubuntu3? | 15:23 |
| Riddell | oh, no | 15:23 |
| Riddell | I'm thinking of hardy | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | s/ubuntu3/2ubuntu3 ;-) | 15:24 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: up it goes | 15:28 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: thank you | 15:28 |
| hunger | Any chance to get cmake 2.6 backported from intrepid to hardy? | 15:29 |
| Riddell | hunger: isn't it? | 15:30 |
| * hunger is tiered of working around the incomplete FindQt4 from cmake 2.4 but does not want to force people to upgrade. | 15:30 | |
| Riddell | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake says it is | 15:30 |
| hunger | Riddell: You are right... | 15:30 |
| apachelogger | oh | 15:31 |
| apachelogger | right | 15:31 |
| * hunger goes and kicks his student that claimed it was not in ubuntu. | 15:31 | |
| * apachelogger should work on that package | 15:31 | |
| apachelogger | it's missing ccmake and cmake-gui | 15:31 |
| Riddell | he needs hardy-backports enabled | 15:31 |
| Xand3r | ScottK: hi, can you please backport screenie-qt https://bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/244959 | 15:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 244959 in hardy-backports "Please backport screenie-qt from Intrepid to hardy" [Undecided,New] | 15:41 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: it would probably help if you built it in a hardy pbuilder and said in the bug report if that works | 15:43 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: it would take 7 hours or so to build an hardy pbuilder | 15:44 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: KDE4 is still crappy on oem user setup | 15:44 |
| Riddell | davmor2: how so? | 15:45 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: it really shouldn't take that long | 15:46 |
| hunger | Riddell: Could ccmake and cmake-gui get added to the backported cmake deb? | 15:46 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: it should, i have an 45kb/s downstream | 15:46 |
| Riddell | hunger: if they get added to the intrepid one yes | 15:46 |
| davmor2 | setting up the user you get part backdrop part grey and the small black text obscured by the black lines on the backdrop | 15:46 |
| ScottK | Xand3r: I just left a comment saying what Riddell just told you. | 15:47 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: same issue as with hardy release | 15:47 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: I could give you an account on my computer if that helps | 15:47 |
| Riddell | davmor2: the background? | 15:47 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: yeap | 15:48 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: i think, i will do it when i came home from sports, thx verry much | 15:48 |
| Riddell | davmor2: hmm, fooey | 15:49 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I'll track down the bug and update asap | 15:49 |
| Xand3r | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4 please review it, thx | 15:50 |
| Xand3r | will be back in 2 hours | 15:50 |
| Xand3r | c ya | 15:50 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: other than that seems okay | 15:52 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Is it time for an upload of kde-guidance that only builds guidance-backends? | 15:53 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes, that seems like a good idea | 15:55 |
| ScottK | OK. Will do. | 15:57 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: why do we skip rpath? | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | in kde4 that is | 16:00 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Looking again, I may have gotten ahead of myself. Do we have mountconfig, userconfig, and serviceconfig replacements yet? | 16:01 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I guess the patch for 'KDE 3' suffixing in menus can be removed? | 16:02 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: because Debian doesn't like it | 16:04 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: does anyone actually know why debian doesn't like it? | 16:04 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes, for intrepid that can go | 16:04 |
| * apachelogger never really got behind that secret | 16:05 | |
| Riddell | ScottK: we have kuser for now, we also have user disk mounting | 16:05 |
| ScottK | So that leaves serviceconfig and wineconfig? | 16:06 |
| apachelogger | winecfg | 16:06 |
| * apachelogger can't think of anything for serviceconfig though | 16:06 | |
| apachelogger | then again ... IMHO such a thingy shouldn't be shipped by default anyway | 16:07 |
| ScottK | We've shipped it since a long time so dropping it now would be a regression. | 16:07 |
| ScottK | Fine if that's the right answer, but let's make sure we do it on purpose. | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: I think we should talk about that at the next meeting | 16:09 |
| ScottK | Sounds good. | 16:09 |
| yuriy | apachelogger: wineconfig will be replaced by a smaller utility that just sets the windows version and autoplay and has an advanced button to launch winecfg for everything else | 16:11 |
| yuriy | I'm waiting for the guy who was doing the GTK version, but he hasn't been around for a few months.. | 16:11 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 16:11 |
| apachelogger | a few months is pretty long :S | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: btw, you could build the backport in your ppa | 16:13 |
| yuriy | yeah, I will try to ping him some other way than IRC | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: just add a new changelog entry with hardy as series and upload to your ppa | 16:13 |
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| Riddell | anything to add? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports/June2008#head-c9cc9ffc5bb3c09031a3678018fd29cdbb2f2ab2 | 16:13 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I'd rather keep the backports in hardy-backports unless there's a good reason not. I don't think unsigned repos are a great idea for general use. | 16:13 |
| Riddell | ScottK: he means for testing I assume | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | yep | 16:14 |
| ScottK | OK. | 16:15 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: looks complete to me | 16:15 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3543 /me wants ;-) | 16:56 |
| Nightrose | ohhhhh apachelogger nevermind... | 16:57 |
| * Nightrose facebalms | 16:57 | |
| * apachelogger never minds at all | 16:58 | |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: :-P | 17:18 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 17:19 |
| Riddell | 16:11 < apachelogger> Oo | 17:20 |
| Riddell | 16:11 < apachelogger> Oo | 17:20 |
| apachelogger | ^_^ | 17:21 |
| Riddell | seele, mhb: this seems like an interesting design http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2008-May/msg00006.html | 17:26 |
| nixternal | oy vey | 17:26 |
| nixternal | partied a bit to hard last night | 17:27 |
| Riddell | never mind nixternal, we voted on your being release manager next week | 17:29 |
| vorian | haha | 17:30 |
| nixternal | huh? | 17:31 |
| seele | Riddell: is this a spec or have they begun implementing? | 17:32 |
| Riddell | seele: I think it's just a spec so far | 17:32 |
| Artemis_Fowl | hey seele :) | 17:34 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: i just got your mail | 17:34 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: i am going through it quickly | 17:35 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: hihi | 17:35 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: ok, i just didnt want to put it off too long incase you were going to work on it somemore | 17:35 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: i´m leaving for 10 days and wont be avaialable | 17:35 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: lol | 17:36 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: how did u manage to take this screencast with the overhauled color preview widget? | 17:37 |
| Artemis_Fowl | screenshot* | 17:37 |
| seele | Riddell: seems like a good design except how they are handling loin screen. it just seems thrown in to the UI because they didnt know where else ot put it | 17:37 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: apachelogger made me packages so i could install and run it and take screenshots? | 17:37 |
| * apachelogger hands next week's release manager a hot cup of coffee | 17:38 | |
| apachelogger | a coffee like a wonderful sommer morning | 17:38 |
| seele | apachelogger: unless it is already hot outside. iced coffee ftw. | 17:38 |
| * seele notes how no one seems to drink iced tea and iced coffee anywhere else but here. it´s NOT a starbucks thing either | 17:39 | |
| apachelogger | giving the feeling to sit under a tree and feel the wind which moves the soft taste of flowers | 17:39 |
| apachelogger | coffee | 17:39 |
| apachelogger | like coffee should be | 17:39 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: i mean, u have around 10 kernels. delete them! it look very hmm | 17:39 |
| * apachelogger should drink less coffee apparently | 17:39 | |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: ah hah.. yes. but that happens to most people | 17:39 |
| apachelogger | 10 | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | :D | 17:40 |
| * apachelogger has >20 | 17:40 | |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: unless my kernel management is f´d up | 17:40 |
| Artemis_Fowl | :-O | 17:40 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: old kernels arent removed.. you have to do it manually | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | but then again I also have 3 distros installed | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | seele: I thought that has been fixed? | 17:40 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: so if you upgrade between releases -- like i do -- you end up with 20 kernels | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | literally fixed, to max 3 kernels | 17:40 |
| seele | apachelogger: it might be.. but there are many thigns wrong with my installation | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | ah, same here :D | 17:41 |
| seele | apachelogger: adept is supposed to tell me to restart after a kernel update too -- and it doesnt do that for me either | 17:41 |
| Artemis_Fowl | i have a quad-booted system but all i have is 4 entries...recovery entries or memtests are virtually useless :| | 17:41 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: (you might notice the one screenshot i took after i cleaned it out) | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | oh, that reminds me | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | hardy -> intrepid upgrade breaks | 17:41 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: which reminds me.. it might be nice in the future to be able to remove/uninstall kernels from GRUB too. i dont know how hard it would be though | 17:42 |
| seele | brb 5 min.. need to get laundry | 17:42 |
| ScottK | Artemis_Fowl: The Kubuntu recovery entry has some new features in Hardy. I don't think it's useless at all. | 17:42 |
| Artemis_Fowl | uninstall = delete the entries && the appropriate packages from the package manager? | 17:42 |
| Artemis_Fowl | ScottK: well, I am trying hard not to break my system :) | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: it should be not shown in the list by default | 17:43 |
| Artemis_Fowl | ScottK: but even if I do so, the "single" kernel parameter is all it takes, i think | 17:43 |
| ScottK | If you do, you might be glad to have the entries. | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | more like displaying a hint at the buttom to press a certain key to list that entry | 17:43 |
| ScottK | I was just responding to the 'useless' comment. I don't think it's correct. | 17:44 |
| Artemis_Fowl | ScottK: it has happened to me to destroy my system but I simply edited the entry through GRUB and appended the single argument and fixed the issue | 17:44 |
| Artemis_Fowl | ScottK: but other users could find it useful undoubtedly | 17:45 |
| ScottK | OK. The one I use a lot (since I try to fix displayconfig and do stupid stuff with it) is xfix. | 17:45 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: yes | 17:46 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: i read a nice comment in your blog concerning automagic | 17:47 |
| seele | which one? | 17:47 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: it mentioned turning the arrow button from green-->red to indicate that this action is not available and then displaying the message box | 17:48 |
| Artemis_Fowl | what I actually liked was the green-->red thing | 17:48 |
| seele | you should get the same effect with a disabled button | 17:48 |
| seele | the problem with the message box is we are allowing users to attempt an action which they wont be able to complete | 17:49 |
| Artemis_Fowl | right | 17:49 |
| seele | i´ve never seen anyone change a button.. i guess i could talk to ellen about it and see what she thinks | 17:49 |
| seele | but i think she will probably say disable does the same thing and is more standard. i dunno. i can try | 17:49 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: another thing is the MakeActive option. the documentation I provide is directly from the GRUB Doc 'cause I actually have no idea when it should be used | 17:51 |
| Artemis_Fowl | indeed the text I provide is kind of stupid | 17:51 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdepim_4.0.83-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.debdiff | 17:51 |
| Artemis_Fowl | but I had no better ideas at that time | 17:52 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: haha ok | 17:52 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: from tomorrow on I will be working on it | 17:54 |
| apachelogger | hm | 17:54 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: most stuff is spacing, alignment hopefully :) | 17:54 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: ok cool. email me with screenshots if you have any questions. i hope to check email a few times while i´m gone | 17:55 |
| seele | speaking off.. i need to pack. i´m leaving in 2 hours | 17:55 |
| nixternal | where you goin'? | 17:56 |
| apachelogger | meh | 17:57 |
| Riddell | seele: loin screen? | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | kdm needs major unbreaking :S | 17:58 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: what's wrong with kdm? | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: can't upgrade from kdm-kde4 | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | we need to introduce some work around | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | because by default it will only reset the default-manager if the _actual_ command is not kdm | 18:01 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | since kdm-kde4 has also kdm as actual command all goes wocka | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | d'oh! | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | and I built the wrong kdelibs | 18:02 |
| * apachelogger headdesks | 18:02 | |
| nixternal | hehe | 18:02 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: when will you be back? | 18:07 |
| seele | Riddell: login screen options are at teh bottom of the user list | 18:07 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: July 12 or 13.. forget which day | 18:08 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: ah ok. about a week. | 18:08 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: have fun then | 18:08 |
| Artemis_Fowl | bb | 18:08 |
| === ma^dik is now known as maltedik | ||
| Riddell | never mind nixternal, we voted on your being release manager next week | 18:57 |
| ScottK | Riddell: You can probably remove the intrepid binaries for kde-guidance-powermanager now. They're NBS on all but HPPA and infinity just kicked the HPPA buildd's for me. | 19:08 |
| Xand3r | hi | 19:10 |
| === blueyed__ is now known as blueyed | ||
| Xand3r | apachelogger: i would realy happy if you could review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4 | 19:11 |
| jjesse | where is the canidated for 8.04.1? | 19:12 |
| stdin | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | 19:13 |
| jjesse | thanks stdin | 19:13 |
| Riddell | jjesse: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/hardy/daily/ | 19:13 |
| Xand3r | how can i have two pbuilders (intrepid and hardy)? | 19:13 |
| jjesse | is that the 20080701.2? | 19:13 |
| jjesse | or "current" | 19:14 |
| Nightrose | Xand3r: there is a tutorial in the packaging guide i think | 19:15 |
| Xand3r | Nightrose: yea but for having one | 19:16 |
| Xand3r | not for a seccond | 19:16 |
| Xand3r | i think | 19:16 |
| Nightrose | there should be one for a second... I had a look at it | 19:16 |
| Xand3r | i will check it | 19:16 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: i will build a second pbuilder, this will take some time but i will need it | 19:20 |
| nixternal | Riddell: that is twice you said that about release manager..did I miss something? | 19:20 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: comments added to http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4 | 19:20 |
| Riddell | nixternal: alpha 2 due next week and I'm away | 19:21 |
| nixternal | ok, anything special I need to do for this then? I will get the release notes done this weekend | 19:21 |
| nixternal | I am work-free from today until Monday :) | 19:21 |
| nixternal | yay \o/ | 19:21 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: thx | 19:25 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: i dont know what to do with "dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address" i dont found somthing helpful via google | 19:28 |
| stdin | Xand3r: means the Maintainer: in debian/control needs an ubuntu.com email address | 19:28 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: set Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> | 19:29 |
| Riddell | and XSBC-Original-Maintainer: you | 19:29 |
| Xand3r | it has | 19:29 |
| Xand3r | i thought i alredy done it | 19:29 |
| Xand3r | that is the thing i do first | 19:30 |
| Xand3r | hmm | 19:30 |
| Xand3r | i am sure i have changed this already | 19:30 |
| txwikinger | or not :D | 19:33 |
| txwikinger | nixternal: I am invited to a Independence party tomorrow | 19:34 |
| jjesse_ | afternnoon nixternal | 19:36 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| Xand3r | questin, if i use kde.mk is cmake and makefiel needed? | 19:37 |
| stdin | Xand3r: no, the cdbs/kde.mk files includes all the other needed files | 19:37 |
| stdin | s/files/file/ | 19:37 |
| Xand3r | ok that i thought, so i excluded makfile and cmake and included kde.mk but now it doesnt build | 19:38 |
| Xand3r | so what is wrong? | 19:39 |
| stdin | what error does it throw up? | 19:39 |
| Xand3r | i have to include cmake | 19:41 |
| stdin | the line in debian/rules should be "include debian/cdbs/kde.mk" | 19:42 |
| Xand3r | no i use /usr/..... | 19:43 |
| stdin | copy the debian/cdbs dir from kdelibs or other kde4 package to your package | 19:44 |
| Xand3r | ok | 19:44 |
| Xand3r | i using now | 19:54 |
| Xand3r | include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk | 19:54 |
| Xand3r | include debian/cdbs/kde.mk | 19:54 |
| stdin | Xand3r: just the "include debian/cdbs/kde.mk" line, that's all that's needed | 19:56 |
| Xand3r | stdin: sure? it installs my man? | 19:56 |
| Xand3r | hmm | 19:56 |
| stdin | it's all that kdebase-runtime (for one) has | 19:57 |
| stdin | Xand3r: and kde.mk includes debhelper.mk anyway | 19:57 |
| Xand3r | oh yea i see | 19:58 |
| Xand3r | did't read that cerfully | 19:58 |
| Xand3r | sorry | 19:58 |
| smarter | Xand3r: look at what kde.mk includes itself | 20:01 |
| Xand3r | smarter: yea i have seen it thx | 20:02 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: btw i done the changes | 20:15 |
| jjesse | quikc question: runin kde4 version of kate and i never have anything show up in the recent document list, anyone seeing anythig like that? | 20:37 |
| Nightrose | jjesse: jep same here | 20:39 |
| jjesse | Nightrose: ok just wanted to make sure it wasnt something i did | 20:41 |
| Nightrose | i wonder if it is fixed in svn now | 20:41 |
| Nightrose | i am using 4.1 beta 2 now | 20:41 |
| jjesse | Nightrose: i'm using whatever is in the ppa | 20:41 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: if you dont find any mistak pleas advocate it http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4 | 20:42 |
| jjesse | spare laptop is booting intrepid right now | 20:42 |
| Nightrose | jjesse: kubuntu-memmbers-kde4? then beta 2 as well | 20:42 |
| jjesse | Nightrose: yeah that one | 20:42 |
| Nightrose | i can try in the nightly session later | 20:42 |
| Nightrose | andsee if it is fixed | 20:42 |
| jjesse | ok cool | 20:43 |
| jjesse | what version of kde4 is intrepid? the alpha release? | 20:43 |
| Nightrose | think so | 20:43 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: kdpgk i sonly merg^^ the upstream had an debian dir in his source^^ | 21:01 |
| Nightrose | jjesse: still seems to be a problem in my nightly session | 21:09 |
| yuriy | jjesse: recent documents looks fine to me here. you mean the one in the file menu? | 21:19 |
| yuriy | however, icons in the documents list are broken, which is rather annoying | 21:19 |
| Nightrose | yuriy: jep in kate file->open recent | 21:21 |
| Nightrose | does it still show files for you after a restart of kate? | 21:21 |
| yuriy | oh, after a restart. i'll check that later | 21:21 |
| yuriy | Nightrose: opening a new kate while the other one's running, nothing shows up there | 21:22 |
| Nightrose | :/ | 21:23 |
| Nightrose | jep | 21:23 |
| Nightrose | same here then | 21:23 |
| Nightrose | it shows stuff just fine for one session | 21:23 |
| Xand3r | in wich package is the iostream.h: | 21:38 |
| jjesse | yuriy: yeah after a restart | 21:40 |
| jjesse | i lose the recent files | 21:40 |
| Xand3r | Nightrose: ist heute was wichtiges oder warum sind riddel und harald so inaktiv? | 21:57 |
| Nightrose | *shrug* | 21:57 |
| Nightrose | tired maybe? or better things to do? | 21:57 |
| Xand3r | hmm | 21:58 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger and tired? maybe in 3 hours | 21:59 |
| Xand3r | Nightrose: i am searching an project do you know one wich i could join, with my less knowleg? | 22:04 |
| Nightrose | Xand3r: giving up on packaging? | 22:05 |
| Xand3r | no | 22:05 |
| Xand3r | i want to add on^^ | 22:05 |
| Xand3r | *one | 22:06 |
| Nightrose | ah ok ;-) | 22:06 |
| Nightrose | hmmm i don't know any off the top of my head right now sorry - maybe stdin has a package that needs fixing? | 22:06 |
| Xand3r | im not searching somthing to package | 22:07 |
| === supert0nes[A] is now known as supert0nes | ||
| Xand3r | i search an projekt i can join | 22:07 |
| Xand3r | one i can learn something | 22:07 |
| Nightrose | ah well there are thousands of projects out there who need a helping hand - you just need to find out what you like | 22:08 |
| Nightrose | and then ask | 22:08 |
| Nightrose | there is bugsquad in kubuntu and kde for example | 22:09 |
| Xand3r | gna | 22:09 |
| Xand3r | that is something i dont like^^ | 22:09 |
| Xand3r | bugs, urg | 22:09 |
| Nightrose | ok what do you like then | 22:10 |
| Xand3r | hmm, i dont realy know it, i was intrested in programming but i have never done something | 22:12 |
| Nightrose | there is a big todo in the topic that also has programming tasks and if you don't like to do any of those go and ask around in your favourite project - most of them have some kind of junior jobs | 22:13 |
| Nightrose | anway - need to get some work done | 22:14 |
| Xand3r | ok thx and sorry for wasting your time | 22:14 |
| Nightrose | ;-) not wasted if you get to find something useful | 22:15 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Teams | 8.04.1 released | ||
| Riddell | 8.04.1 released, thanks for the testing folks | 23:32 |
| Xand3r | Riddell: the iso i am downloading right now (intrepid,alternat) is that with kde3 or kde4? | 23:34 |
| apachelogger | kde4 | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kde4libs_4.0.83-0ubuntu3_to_ubuntu4.debdiff | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | .kde ftw! | 23:35 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: HI! | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | hoy | 23:35 |
| Xand3r | how do you do? | 23:36 |
| stdin | oh, apachelogger, how about fixing cmake/modules/FindKdepim.cmake too? | 23:37 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: i search ing a new projekt, do you know one, one i fit in? | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | stdin: what is wrong with it? | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: hm? | 23:38 |
| stdin | apachelogger: it fails to find it because of a case-error | 23:38 |
| apachelogger | sweeet | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | when is the next KDE release due? | 23:39 |
| stdin | apachelogger: http://stdin.me.uk/tmp/kubuntu_07_find_kdepim.diff | 23:39 |
| stdin | July 8th, 2008: Tag KDE 4.1 RC 1 | 23:40 |
| apachelogger | tagging != release :P | 23:41 |
| stdin | July 15th, 2008: Release KDE 4.1 RC 1 | 23:42 |
| stdin | http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Schedules/KDE4/4.1_Release_Schedule | 23:42 |
| * apachelogger pokes Xand3r | 23:43 | |
| Xand3r | jea? | 23:43 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: what were you talking about? | 23:43 |
| Xand3r | new projekt? | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: it's project <-- with C | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | C is in coffee | 23:44 |
| * apachelogger might really be addicted | 23:45 | |
| JontheEchidna | Blasphemy against KDE! | 23:45 |
| Xand3r | jaja it is when i am tired, i mix german with english | 23:45 |
| Riddell | stdin: are you sure that patch is needed? I've not noticed it and apparantly neither has upstream | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: KDE ain't has no kays anymore :P | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | it's all about fancy new names :D | 23:45 |
| JontheEchidna | All a trick to lull us into a false sense of sekurity | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: I think I only saw you write project once.... ever :P | 23:46 |
| stdin | Riddell: well kopete-cryptography would not build until I did added that, failed to find kdepim | 23:46 |
| apachelogger | stdin: maybe crypto is having the case error then? | 23:46 |
| Riddell | stdin: can you send it upstream first? maybe ask on #kopete | 23:46 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: maybe i was every tim tired? | 23:47 |
| stdin | I'll see if I can find the log | 23:47 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: that can't be healthy | 23:47 |
| Xand3r | and that comes from you^^ | 23:47 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: so what do you mean by ... projeKt | 23:47 |
| apachelogger | find_package(Kdepim REQUIRED) | 23:49 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger i am searching a new mission | 23:49 |
| Riddell | Xand3r: package mailody? | 23:51 |
| Riddell | ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.83/extragear/ | 23:51 |
| apachelogger | actually ... merge mailody | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | there is a KDE 3 package | 23:52 |
| Xand3r | gnaaa | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | also | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | the cmake package needs enhancements | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | ccmake and cmake-gui are missing | 23:52 |
| Xand3r | -.- | 23:53 |
| apachelogger | we need an MIR for libqca2-plugin-ossl | 23:53 |
| apachelogger | someone should talk to the phonon devs about auto-codec installation | 23:53 |
| Riddell | 11:06 < Riddell> Vir: have you considered automatic codec install at all? | 23:53 |
| Riddell | 11:08 < Vir> Riddell: no | 23:53 |
| Riddell | 11:08 < Vir> the topic came up | 23:53 |
| Riddell | 11:08 < Vir> but I don't have time for it :-( | 23:53 |
| apachelogger | kdesudo-kde4 needs to merge with kdesudo and change paths | 23:53 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: poke eean | 23:53 |
| apachelogger | maybe he has | 23:53 |
| Xand3r | i have know leg about cmake like an apple, no an apple has mor knowleg about cmake | 23:53 |
| apachelogger | kdm's debconf needs enhancements | 23:54 |
| Riddell | kdm needs to call usplash too when it's about to quit | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: well, it's about the package | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: do we have some public todo? | 23:54 |
| * apachelogger notes that if we do, that thing should become more public as apachelogger doesn't know about it :P | 23:54 | |
| * JontheEchidna points to topic | 23:55 | |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: topic | 23:55 |
| Nightrose | :P | 23:55 |
| Nightrose | is that public enough? | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | hm | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | was that thing always there? | 23:55 |
| Nightrose | at least 2 weeks | 23:55 |
| Nightrose | probably longer | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | actually the far more important question is ... how do I open that URL now :P | 23:55 |
| * Nightrose suggests clicking on it | 23:56 | |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 23:56 |
| apachelogger | bad idea | 23:56 |
| apachelogger | first thing you learn with quassel - never click on the topic | 23:57 |
| Nightrose | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo better? | 23:57 |
| apachelogger | thx | 23:58 |
| apachelogger | hm | 23:58 |
| apachelogger | I was more talking about some short-termish todo | 23:58 |
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