[00:05] anybody know how to give cmake arguments in debian/rules when using the CDBS cmake.mk ? [00:13] LaserJock: what arguments? [00:13] -DCMAKE_FOO='--foo' [00:13] nixternal: like I know the -Dblah I want to give cmake [00:14] while waiting for an answer I looked in cmake.mk real quick and decided to just try CMAKE = cmake -Dblah [00:16] did it work? [00:16] not sure yet [00:16] it didn't make it FTBFS in any case [00:16] I think just adding the -Dblah part to rules will work [00:16] but where [00:17] I typically put it top level, not under anything [00:17] take a look at any of the -kde4 packages to get an idea as well [00:20] upstream tells me this flag is supposed to make my package build faster and make the app not crash [00:20] why it's not set by default then I'm not sure [00:23] build faster? ie. setting the status to "RELEASE" I think instead of "DEBUG" ? [00:24] yes, exactly [00:25] hmm, my first try it didn't do anything [00:25] nixternal: do any of your packages specifically use RELEASE? [00:26] * LaserJock curses CDBS again :-) [00:26] cdbs rocks! [00:27] not yet they don't...the KDE 4 packages I think we are still releasing with the debug [00:27] option [00:28] ok [00:28] I think I should probably too until this package gets out of Debian experimental [00:28] probably [00:29] I've got a patch to fix the crasher in question, I think I'll just upload that [00:29] upstream said either the patch or using RELEASE would work [00:33] alrighty, time to leave the office, go grab a couple of drinks and make my way home [00:33] have fun :) === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato === supert0nes is now known as supert0nes[A] [08:09] Hobbsee: do you know if there is a bug on kubuntu-kde4-desktop for intrepid? Its not installable due to deps i think [08:11] gnomefreak: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/intrepid_probs.html [08:11] hi Hobbsee [08:11] Hobbsee: thanks [08:11] gnomefreak: no need for a bug - we have lists of main installability there [08:12] hey ubuntu__, how's it going? [08:12] Not bad Hobbsee how's school? [08:12] on holidays atm :) [08:12] Hobbsee: it needs an update [08:15] Hobbsee: So absolutlely grand then :) [08:15] gnomefreak: likely, yes [08:16] starting at qt4-x11 to the last one on list have superseeded the version listed or are now at version listed and they install [08:16] * gnomefreak worked from bottom up i havent gotten past qt4-x11 [08:18] i suspect it's all still a bit broken with recommends by deafult. [08:21] i must say that http://nuno-icons.com//images/estilo/imagefolders2.png is the best mockup of kde i have ever seen, I can't wait till my folderview looks like that. I realize many things wont turn out tlike this, but i do hope folderview does [08:25] supert0nes[A]: Nice thing about plasma is anyone can code it :) [08:29] i've been waiting for python binding documenation [08:34] most of all i like the list view, which will probably see light in folderview and the ability to collapse apps [08:52] hi hunger [09:11] supert0nes: I was under the impression that the folderview IS the dolphinview [09:11] i was too if only i knew how to change it [09:11] maybe some text file [09:12] supert0nes: folderview is a month old yet? :) [09:12] Let it grow a little [09:12] i'm so addicted ahaha [09:15] supert0nes: To Plasma? careful you may get burned :) [09:15] i lived through 4.0 [09:15] i'm immune [09:24] :-) [09:24] What do you wanto build in Python supert0nes? [09:24] i don't know c++ yet even tho i know most all of this is using the plasma bindings [09:24] i'm still learning languages as a college student [09:26] i would like nothing more than to learn enough to contribute to kde or kubuntu [09:27] supert0nes: choose a project [09:27] Both KDE and Kubuntu have quite a choice [09:27] i feel like the learning curve is quite a leap kindof like efficiently using vim heh [09:31] well i have a test tomorrow talk to ya later === supert0nes is now known as supert0nes[A] [09:34] Byr === ubuntu__ is now known as daskrEEch [09:53] <\sh> does anyone know of a bzr gui tool for kde? [09:54] qbzr [09:56] <\sh> Riddell: packaged already? [09:59] dunno, I'd expect so [10:00] <\sh> na [10:00] <\sh> packages.ubuntu.com somehow down, but launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qbzr doesn't give anything [10:00] i thought the bzr tool/plugin was for any X sesion [10:01] \sh: no there isnt one for bzr the one i was thinking of was for gtk [10:01] <\sh> https://edge.launchpad.net/~luks/+archive [10:06] \sh: AFAIK there is no such package qbzr [10:07] if you search bzr you will see what they have [10:07] <\sh> gnomefreak: there is :) [10:07] <\sh> gnomefreak: but it not build for hardy, but for gutsy [10:07] in archives? [10:07] ah [10:07] <\sh> gnomefreak: nope...ppa of luks === quassel251 is now known as smarter [10:16] \sh: go package for intrepid! [11:02] hi there. [11:04] morning hunger === _Artemis_Fowl_ is now known as Artemis_Fowl [12:25] hmm, upgrading to intrepid and the wifi light on my thinkpad has started to work for the first time [12:25] it keep blinking whenever there's traffic, this is most annoying [12:26] Riddell: That LED works for me on hardy and all the way back to breezy:-) [12:26] Riddell: But you are right: It *is* annoying. [12:27] this might call for some duct tape [12:27] hehe [12:27] usually people are happy when some hardware starts working :P [12:35] Riddell: they seem to normally stay on while it's connected, which is less annoying than the flash. but intrepid seems weird. [12:35] so folks, alpha 2 is due next week but I'm on holiday, who wants to be release dude? [12:39] hmm, silence.. [12:39] hm [12:40] Riddell: did anyone besides you ever do the release dude stuff? [12:40] well slangasek does the actual release dude stuff [12:41] on the kubuntu side we just need to make sure everything installs and mostly works, get the CDs tested then update the website at release time [12:43] * apachelogger isn't 100% sure whether he is around... might be an trip through europe [12:44] Nightrose: translated average is 45% currently [12:45] apachelogger: k - should I do something about that? [12:45] nah, just wanted to note that [12:46] ok thx [12:46] Nightrose: but I think I made commitment for beta release [12:46] k [12:46] Nightrose: final needs > 1 month string freeze [12:47] *nod* [12:47] * Nightrose demands shiny scripts :P [12:47] and how much time did you promisse for beta? [12:48] kubuntu/daily: Uninstallable packages: [12:48] amarok 2:1.4.9.1-2ubuntu2 produces uninstallable binaries: * amarok (amd64 i386) [12:48] can anyone see why that's having problems? installs fine for me [12:50] Riddell: is that list outdated? [12:50] it's today's [12:51] hm [12:52] Riddell: that error is a bit vague [12:53] * apachelogger notice anything special about the package [12:54] apachelogger: how much time did you promisse before beta? [12:54] * Nightrose needs to make a plan when to bug whom [12:55] hzn [12:55] hm [12:55] Nightrose: apparently none [12:55] Major release + release candidates: 30 days freeze [12:55] Usual trunk releases: 20 days freeze [12:55] Stable releases: 10 days freeze [12:55] k [12:56] Nightrose: actually the final freeze starts for the rc [12:56] *nod* [12:56] so 30 days before the rc trunk needs to go in completel string freeze [12:56] k [12:57] Nightrose: as for the beta ... if I described some time frame in the release spec on rokymotion then use that, otherwise you might considering introducing a soft-freeze for the beta stage [12:57] will do [12:59] Riddell: does it recompose the complete image everyday or just upgrade the packages? [12:59] might be that there is an upgrade issue [13:01] apachelogger: new image every day [13:01] I just upgraded from hardy and it uninstalled amarok-common [13:01] hm [13:02] amarok-common can't be uninstalled [13:02] there was no -common in hardy [13:02] Riddell: Kub seems to be testing okay :) === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_dinner [13:03] davmor2: hardy.1? [13:04] apachelogger: i get an error compiling qlix http://paste.ubuntu.com/24695/ i think its come from errors of the source, i am right? if what i have to do? contact the upstream? [13:05] apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mouz [13:05] <\sh> Xand3r: mtp/MtpDevice.cpp:774: error: 'strdup' was not declared in this scope <- erorr...strdup is missing..looks like an include problem [13:06] gcc 4.3 strikes again :D [13:06] i see [13:06] i will in form the upstream [13:06] shouldn't be hard to fixs [13:07] hm [13:07] add a #include [13:07] Xand3r: please paste the URL for download [13:07] * apachelogger is wondering whether that mtp directory is actually a snapshot of libmtp [13:09] http://download.berlios.de/qlix/Qlix-0.2-b1.tar.bz2 [13:09] mouz: looks good, please document your motu related activities as precise as possible [13:10] mouz: e.g. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexanderKopf https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StephenStalcup/MOTU [13:11] Riddell: yeap [13:12] davmor2_dinner: great [13:16] apachelogger: i gave youz the wrong link [13:16] apachelogger: the upstream already packaged it https://launchpad.net/~caffein/+archive [13:17] but this is not the best solution i think [13:18] Xand3r: what's wrong with it? [13:19] huh, that debian/ dir is quite "dirty" :D [13:19] substvars + files [13:19] not using cdbs, control is not complete, [13:19] jo [13:19] actually [13:19] well [13:19] control only needs a proper description [13:19] so i thought i build an on one using the good things of it [13:19] Xand3r: ask upstream [13:20] maybe he wants to do it himself [13:20] apachelogger: for what? [13:20] less work for you :P [13:20] ok [13:20] and he can get on the motu train as well [13:20] hmm [13:21] what i have to say? [13:22] "this package needs X and Y done to it. do you want to do that and have us upload it into ubuntu? or shall we do it." [13:30] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24708/ [13:34] Xand3r: may want to add a "Saw you had packages of qlix, I'd like it to get into Ubuntu but it needs some changes" [13:35] Riddell: he informed me that he had packaged it [13:36] and he wanted a feed back [13:37] Xand3r: ok, just say "looked at the package, here's some comments" [13:37] apachelogger: Did I show you my wii yet? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jonathan265 [13:37] ok [13:38] JontheEchidna: perfect [13:40] shiny === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [13:47] hm [13:47] amarok is broken [13:48] apachelogger: what shall i do with ./client/crystalclient.h: MIT/X11 (BSD like) [13:48] is the licence BSD? [13:48] or MIT/X11 [13:49] I'd think it's MIT/X11 [13:49] ok [13:50] but thi licens i cant find in /usr/share/common-licenses [13:50] so where i can refer to [13:51] Xand3r: just copy and paste the whole thing [13:51] apachelogger: in which way? [13:52] Riddell: hardy -> intrepid uninstalls amarok [13:52] apachelogger: that's what I said earlier :) [13:52] nah [13:52] you said amarok-common :P [13:52] the problem is that amarok-common replaces amarok <= 1.4.8 [13:53] while -common doesn't depend on amarok at all ... apt apparently wants to remove amarok completely [13:53] :S [13:55] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24712/ [13:56] Riddell: that should cause apt to update amarok before amarok-common, right? [13:56] hopefully [13:58] * apachelogger trys with ppa === davmor2_dinner is now known as davmor2 [14:18] gnaa again gcc4.3 http://paste.ubuntu.com/24718/ [14:19] Xand3r: do you have /usr/include/kdecoration.h from kdebase-workspace-dev installed? [14:20] is that mention there? [14:20] * Xand3r is reading again [14:21] search for the first "error" [14:21] i have to read carefully in future-.- [14:21] no kdebase-workspace-dev is not in the depends [14:22] add it :) [14:22] thx === akonadi is now known as nihui [14:36] apachelogger: muss man einen englischen blog führen wenn man kubuntu member werden will? [14:43] Xand3r: you don't need to blog at all [14:43] but if you want to be on the planet then yes [14:43] but that is up to you [14:44] you don't need to blog? [14:44] for me it is much work do make an dual language homepage [14:47] i found the MIT/X11 licence here http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT-Lizenz [14:47] but wich copyrightholder i have to place in? [14:49] the copyrightholder of the source? [14:52] Xand3r: copy what ./client/crystalclient.h says into debian/copyright [14:54] ok [14:58] thx [15:16] Riddell: Xand3r asked whether one has to have an english blog in order to become kubuntu member [15:17] There's no requirement to have a blog at all. [15:17] that's what Nightrose said :) [15:17] If there was, I'd be out. [15:17] if you don't a blog, you won't get any fan mail [15:18] hehe [15:18] ah [15:18] cool [15:18] * apachelogger pushes amarok packaging [15:19] * ScottK considers that a feature and no bug. [15:21] Riddell: please upload ubuntu3 ... maybe it also fixes the cd creation issue [15:23] don't we already have ubuntu3? [15:23] oh, no [15:24] I'm thinking of hardy [15:24] s/ubuntu3/2ubuntu3 ;-) [15:28] apachelogger: up it goes [15:28] Riddell: thank you [15:29] Any chance to get cmake 2.6 backported from intrepid to hardy? [15:30] hunger: isn't it? [15:30] * hunger is tiered of working around the incomplete FindQt4 from cmake 2.4 but does not want to force people to upgrade. [15:30] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake says it is [15:30] Riddell: You are right... [15:31] oh [15:31] right [15:31] * hunger goes and kicks his student that claimed it was not in ubuntu. [15:31] * apachelogger should work on that package [15:31] it's missing ccmake and cmake-gui [15:31] he needs hardy-backports enabled [15:41] ScottK: hi, can you please backport screenie-qt https://bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/244959 [15:41] Launchpad bug 244959 in hardy-backports "Please backport screenie-qt from Intrepid to hardy" [Undecided,New] [15:43] Xand3r: it would probably help if you built it in a hardy pbuilder and said in the bug report if that works [15:44] Riddell: it would take 7 hours or so to build an hardy pbuilder [15:44] Riddell: KDE4 is still crappy on oem user setup [15:45] davmor2: how so? [15:46] Xand3r: it really shouldn't take that long [15:46] Riddell: Could ccmake and cmake-gui get added to the backported cmake deb? [15:46] Riddell: it should, i have an 45kb/s downstream [15:46] hunger: if they get added to the intrepid one yes [15:46] setting up the user you get part backdrop part grey and the small black text obscured by the black lines on the backdrop [15:47] Xand3r: I just left a comment saying what Riddell just told you. [15:47] Riddell: same issue as with hardy release [15:47] Xand3r: I could give you an account on my computer if that helps [15:47] davmor2: the background? [15:48] Riddell: yeap [15:48] Riddell: i think, i will do it when i came home from sports, thx verry much [15:49] davmor2: hmm, fooey [15:49] Riddell: I'll track down the bug and update asap [15:50] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4 please review it, thx [15:50] will be back in 2 hours [15:50] c ya [15:52] Riddell: other than that seems okay [15:53] Riddell: Is it time for an upload of kde-guidance that only builds guidance-backends? [15:55] ScottK: yes, that seems like a good idea [15:57] OK. Will do. [16:00] Riddell: why do we skip rpath? [16:00] in kde4 that is [16:01] Riddell: Looking again, I may have gotten ahead of myself. Do we have mountconfig, userconfig, and serviceconfig replacements yet? [16:02] Riddell: I guess the patch for 'KDE 3' suffixing in menus can be removed? [16:04] apachelogger: because Debian doesn't like it [16:04] Riddell: does anyone actually know why debian doesn't like it? [16:04] apachelogger: yes, for intrepid that can go [16:05] * apachelogger never really got behind that secret [16:05] ScottK: we have kuser for now, we also have user disk mounting [16:06] So that leaves serviceconfig and wineconfig? [16:06] winecfg [16:06] * apachelogger can't think of anything for serviceconfig though [16:07] then again ... IMHO such a thingy shouldn't be shipped by default anyway [16:07] We've shipped it since a long time so dropping it now would be a regression. [16:07] Fine if that's the right answer, but let's make sure we do it on purpose. [16:09] ScottK: I think we should talk about that at the next meeting [16:09] Sounds good. [16:11] apachelogger: wineconfig will be replaced by a smaller utility that just sets the windows version and autoplay and has an advanced button to launch winecfg for everything else [16:11] I'm waiting for the guy who was doing the GTK version, but he hasn't been around for a few months.. [16:11] Oo [16:12] a few months is pretty long :S [16:13] Xand3r: btw, you could build the backport in your ppa [16:13] yeah, I will try to ping him some other way than IRC [16:13] Xand3r: just add a new changelog entry with hardy as series and upload to your ppa === akonadi is now known as nihui [16:13] anything to add? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports/June2008#head-c9cc9ffc5bb3c09031a3678018fd29cdbb2f2ab2 [16:13] apachelogger: I'd rather keep the backports in hardy-backports unless there's a good reason not. I don't think unsigned repos are a great idea for general use. [16:14] ScottK: he means for testing I assume [16:14] yep [16:15] OK. [16:15] Riddell: looks complete to me [16:56] apachelogger: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3543 /me wants ;-) [16:57] ohhhhh apachelogger nevermind... [16:57] * Nightrose facebalms [16:58] * apachelogger never minds at all [17:18] Nightrose: :-P [17:19] ;-) [17:20] 16:11 < apachelogger> Oo [17:20] 16:11 < apachelogger> Oo [17:21] ^_^ [17:26] seele, mhb: this seems like an interesting design http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2008-May/msg00006.html [17:26] oy vey [17:27] partied a bit to hard last night [17:29] never mind nixternal, we voted on your being release manager next week [17:30] haha [17:31] huh? [17:32] Riddell: is this a spec or have they begun implementing? [17:32] seele: I think it's just a spec so far [17:34] hey seele :) [17:34] seele: i just got your mail [17:35] seele: i am going through it quickly [17:35] Artemis_Fowl: hihi [17:35] Artemis_Fowl: ok, i just didnt want to put it off too long incase you were going to work on it somemore [17:35] Artemis_Fowl: i´m leaving for 10 days and wont be avaialable [17:36] seele: lol [17:37] seele: how did u manage to take this screencast with the overhauled color preview widget? [17:37] screenshot* [17:37] Riddell: seems like a good design except how they are handling loin screen. it just seems thrown in to the UI because they didnt know where else ot put it [17:37] Artemis_Fowl: apachelogger made me packages so i could install and run it and take screenshots? [17:38] * apachelogger hands next week's release manager a hot cup of coffee [17:38] a coffee like a wonderful sommer morning [17:38] apachelogger: unless it is already hot outside. iced coffee ftw. [17:39] * seele notes how no one seems to drink iced tea and iced coffee anywhere else but here. it´s NOT a starbucks thing either [17:39] giving the feeling to sit under a tree and feel the wind which moves the soft taste of flowers [17:39] coffee [17:39] like coffee should be [17:39] seele: i mean, u have around 10 kernels. delete them! it look very hmm [17:39] * apachelogger should drink less coffee apparently [17:39] Artemis_Fowl: ah hah.. yes. but that happens to most people [17:40] 10 [17:40] :D [17:40] * apachelogger has >20 [17:40] Artemis_Fowl: unless my kernel management is f´d up [17:40] :-O [17:40] Artemis_Fowl: old kernels arent removed.. you have to do it manually [17:40] but then again I also have 3 distros installed [17:40] seele: I thought that has been fixed? [17:40] Artemis_Fowl: so if you upgrade between releases -- like i do -- you end up with 20 kernels [17:40] literally fixed, to max 3 kernels [17:40] apachelogger: it might be.. but there are many thigns wrong with my installation [17:41] ah, same here :D [17:41] apachelogger: adept is supposed to tell me to restart after a kernel update too -- and it doesnt do that for me either [17:41] i have a quad-booted system but all i have is 4 entries...recovery entries or memtests are virtually useless :| [17:41] Artemis_Fowl: (you might notice the one screenshot i took after i cleaned it out) [17:41] oh, that reminds me [17:41] hardy -> intrepid upgrade breaks [17:42] Artemis_Fowl: which reminds me.. it might be nice in the future to be able to remove/uninstall kernels from GRUB too. i dont know how hard it would be though [17:42] brb 5 min.. need to get laundry [17:42] Artemis_Fowl: The Kubuntu recovery entry has some new features in Hardy. I don't think it's useless at all. [17:42] uninstall = delete the entries && the appropriate packages from the package manager? [17:43] ScottK: well, I am trying hard not to break my system :) [17:43] ScottK: it should be not shown in the list by default [17:43] ScottK: but even if I do so, the "single" kernel parameter is all it takes, i think [17:43] If you do, you might be glad to have the entries. [17:43] more like displaying a hint at the buttom to press a certain key to list that entry [17:44] I was just responding to the 'useless' comment. I don't think it's correct. [17:44] ScottK: it has happened to me to destroy my system but I simply edited the entry through GRUB and appended the single argument and fixed the issue [17:45] ScottK: but other users could find it useful undoubtedly [17:45] OK. The one I use a lot (since I try to fix displayconfig and do stupid stuff with it) is xfix. [17:46] Artemis_Fowl: yes [17:47] seele: i read a nice comment in your blog concerning automagic [17:47] which one? [17:48] seele: it mentioned turning the arrow button from green-->red to indicate that this action is not available and then displaying the message box [17:48] what I actually liked was the green-->red thing [17:48] you should get the same effect with a disabled button [17:49] the problem with the message box is we are allowing users to attempt an action which they wont be able to complete [17:49] right [17:49] i´ve never seen anyone change a button.. i guess i could talk to ellen about it and see what she thinks [17:49] but i think she will probably say disable does the same thing and is more standard. i dunno. i can try [17:51] seele: another thing is the MakeActive option. the documentation I provide is directly from the GRUB Doc 'cause I actually have no idea when it should be used [17:51] indeed the text I provide is kind of stupid [17:51] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdepim_4.0.83-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.debdiff [17:52] but I had no better ideas at that time [17:52] Artemis_Fowl: haha ok [17:54] seele: from tomorrow on I will be working on it [17:54] hm [17:54] seele: most stuff is spacing, alignment hopefully :) [17:55] Artemis_Fowl: ok cool. email me with screenshots if you have any questions. i hope to check email a few times while i´m gone [17:55] speaking off.. i need to pack. i´m leaving in 2 hours [17:56] where you goin'? [17:57] meh [17:57] seele: loin screen? [17:58] kdm needs major unbreaking :S [17:58] apachelogger: what's wrong with kdm? [18:01] nixternal: can't upgrade from kdm-kde4 [18:01] we need to introduce some work around [18:01] because by default it will only reset the default-manager if the _actual_ command is not kdm [18:02] ahhh [18:02] since kdm-kde4 has also kdm as actual command all goes wocka [18:02] d'oh! [18:02] and I built the wrong kdelibs [18:02] * apachelogger headdesks [18:02] hehe [18:07] seele: when will you be back? [18:07] Riddell: login screen options are at teh bottom of the user list [18:08] Artemis_Fowl: July 12 or 13.. forget which day [18:08] seele: ah ok. about a week. [18:08] seele: have fun then [18:08] bb === ma^dik is now known as maltedik [18:57] never mind nixternal, we voted on your being release manager next week [19:08] Riddell: You can probably remove the intrepid binaries for kde-guidance-powermanager now. They're NBS on all but HPPA and infinity just kicked the HPPA buildd's for me. [19:10] hi === blueyed__ is now known as blueyed [19:11] apachelogger: i would realy happy if you could review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4 [19:12] where is the canidated for 8.04.1? [19:13] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [19:13] thanks stdin [19:13]