[00:05] <LaserJock> anybody know how to give cmake arguments in debian/rules when using the CDBS cmake.mk ?
[00:13] <nixternal> LaserJock: what arguments?
[00:13] <nixternal> -DCMAKE_FOO='--foo'
[00:13] <LaserJock> nixternal: like I know the -Dblah I want to give cmake
[00:14] <LaserJock> while waiting for an answer I looked in cmake.mk real quick and decided to just try CMAKE = cmake -Dblah
[00:16] <nixternal> did it work?
[00:16] <LaserJock> not sure yet
[00:16] <LaserJock> it didn't make it FTBFS in any case
[00:16] <nixternal> I think just adding the -Dblah part to rules will work
[00:16] <LaserJock> but where
[00:17] <nixternal> I typically put it top level, not under anything
[00:17] <nixternal> take a look at any of the -kde4 packages to get an idea as well
[00:20] <LaserJock> upstream tells me this flag is supposed to make my package build faster and make the app not crash
[00:20] <LaserJock> why it's not set by default then I'm not sure
[00:23] <nixternal> build faster? ie. setting the status to "RELEASE" I think instead of "DEBUG" ?
[00:24] <LaserJock> yes, exactly
[00:25] <LaserJock> hmm, my first try it didn't do anything
[00:25] <LaserJock> nixternal: do any of your packages specifically use RELEASE?
[00:26]  * LaserJock curses CDBS again :-)
[00:26] <nixternal> cdbs rocks!
[00:27] <nixternal> not yet they don't...the KDE 4 packages I think we are still releasing with the debug
[00:27] <nixternal> option
[00:28] <LaserJock> ok
[00:28] <LaserJock> I think I should probably too until this package gets out of Debian experimental
[00:28] <nixternal> probably
[00:29] <LaserJock> I've got a patch to fix the crasher in question, I think I'll just upload that
[00:29] <LaserJock> upstream said either the patch or using RELEASE would work
[00:33] <nixternal> alrighty, time to leave the office, go grab a couple of drinks and make my way home
[00:33] <nixternal> have fun :)
[08:09] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: do you know if there is a bug on kubuntu-kde4-desktop for intrepid? Its not installable due to deps i think
[08:11] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/intrepid_probs.html
[08:11] <ubuntu__> hi Hobbsee
[08:11] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: thanks
[08:11] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no need for a bug - we have lists of main installability there
[08:12] <Hobbsee> hey ubuntu__, how's it going?
[08:12] <ubuntu__> Not bad Hobbsee how's school?
[08:12] <Hobbsee> on holidays atm :)
[08:12] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it needs an update
[08:15] <ubuntu__> Hobbsee: So absolutlely grand then :)
[08:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: likely, yes
[08:16] <gnomefreak> starting at qt4-x11 to the last one on list have superseeded the version  listed or are now at version listed and they install
[08:16]  * gnomefreak worked from bottom up i havent gotten past qt4-x11
[08:18] <Hobbsee> i suspect it's all still a bit broken with recommends by deafult.
[08:21] <supert0nes[A]> i must say that http://nuno-icons.com//images/estilo/imagefolders2.png is the best mockup of kde i have ever seen, I can't wait till my folderview looks like that.  I realize many things wont turn out tlike this, but i do hope folderview does
[08:25] <ubuntu__> supert0nes[A]: Nice thing about plasma is anyone can code it :)
[08:29] <supert0nes[A]> i've been waiting for python binding documenation
[08:34] <supert0nes[A]> most of all i like the list view, which will probably see light in folderview and the ability to collapse apps
[08:52] <ubuntu__> hi hunger
[09:11] <ubuntu__> supert0nes: I was under the impression that the folderview IS the dolphinview
[09:11] <supert0nes> i was too if only i knew how to change it
[09:11] <supert0nes> maybe some text file
[09:12] <ubuntu__> supert0nes: folderview is a month old yet? :)
[09:12] <ubuntu__> Let it grow a little
[09:12] <supert0nes> i'm so addicted ahaha
[09:15] <ubuntu__> supert0nes: To Plasma? careful you may get burned :)
[09:15] <supert0nes> i lived through 4.0
[09:15] <supert0nes> i'm immune
[09:24] <ubuntu__> :-)
[09:24] <ubuntu__> What do you wanto build in Python supert0nes?
[09:24] <supert0nes> i don't know c++ yet even tho i know most all of this is using the plasma bindings
[09:24] <supert0nes> i'm still learning languages as a college student
[09:26] <supert0nes> i would like nothing more than to learn enough to contribute to kde or kubuntu
[09:27] <ubuntu__> supert0nes: choose a project
[09:27] <ubuntu__> Both KDE and Kubuntu have quite a choice
[09:27] <supert0nes> i feel like the learning curve is quite a leap kindof like efficiently using vim heh
[09:31] <supert0nes> well i have a test tomorrow talk to ya later
[09:34] <ubuntu__> Byr
[09:53] <\sh> does anyone know of a bzr gui tool for kde?
[09:54] <Riddell> qbzr
[09:56] <\sh> Riddell: packaged already?
[09:59] <Riddell> dunno, I'd expect so
[10:00] <\sh> na
[10:00] <\sh> packages.ubuntu.com somehow down, but launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qbzr doesn't give anything
[10:00] <gnomefreak> i thought the bzr tool/plugin was for any X sesion
[10:01] <gnomefreak> \sh: no there isnt one for bzr the one i was thinking of was for gtk
[10:01] <\sh> https://edge.launchpad.net/~luks/+archive
[10:06] <gnomefreak> \sh: AFAIK there is no such package qbzr
[10:07] <gnomefreak> if you search bzr you will see what they have
[10:07] <\sh> gnomefreak: there is :)
[10:07] <\sh> gnomefreak: but it not build for hardy, but for gutsy
[10:07] <gnomefreak> in archives?
[10:07] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:07] <\sh> gnomefreak: nope...ppa of luks
[10:16] <Riddell> \sh: go package for intrepid!
[11:02] <hunger> hi there.
[11:04] <Riddell> morning hunger
[12:25] <Riddell> hmm, upgrading to intrepid and the wifi light on my thinkpad has started to work for the first time
[12:25] <Riddell> it keep blinking whenever there's traffic, this is most annoying
[12:26] <hunger> Riddell: That LED works for me on hardy and all the way back to breezy:-)
[12:26] <hunger> Riddell: But you are right: It *is* annoying.
[12:27] <Riddell> this might call for some duct tape
[12:27] <apachelogger> hehe
[12:27] <apachelogger> usually people are happy when some hardware starts working :P
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: they seem to normally stay on while it's connected, which is less annoying than the flash.  but intrepid seems weird.
[12:35] <Riddell> so folks, alpha 2 is due next week but I'm on holiday, who wants to be release dude?
[12:39] <Riddell> hmm, silence..
[12:39] <apachelogger> hm
[12:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: did anyone besides you ever do the release dude stuff?
[12:40] <Riddell> well slangasek does the actual release dude stuff
[12:41] <Riddell> on the kubuntu side we just need to make sure everything installs and mostly works, get the CDs tested then update the website at release time
[12:43]  * apachelogger isn't 100% sure whether he is around... might be an trip through europe
[12:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: translated average is 45% currently
[12:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: k - should I do something about that?
[12:45] <apachelogger> nah, just wanted to note that
[12:46] <Nightrose> ok thx
[12:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: but I think I made commitment for beta release
[12:46] <Nightrose> k
[12:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: final needs > 1 month string freeze
[12:47] <Nightrose> *nod*
[12:47]  * Nightrose demands shiny scripts :P
[12:47] <Nightrose> and how much time did you promisse for beta?
[12:48] <Riddell> kubuntu/daily: Uninstallable packages:
[12:48] <Riddell> amarok 2:1.4.9.1-2ubuntu2 produces uninstallable binaries: * amarok (amd64 i386)
[12:48] <Riddell> can anyone see why that's having problems?  installs fine for me
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is that list outdated?
[12:50] <Riddell> it's today's
[12:51] <apachelogger> hm
[12:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: that error is a bit vague
[12:53]  * apachelogger notice anything special about the package
[12:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: how much time did you promisse before beta?
[12:54]  * Nightrose needs to make a plan when to bug whom
[12:55] <apachelogger> hzn
[12:55] <apachelogger> hm
[12:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: apparently none
[12:55] <apachelogger> Major release + release candidates: 30 days freeze
[12:55] <apachelogger> Usual trunk releases: 20 days freeze
[12:55] <apachelogger> Stable releases: 10 days freeze
[12:55] <Nightrose> k
[12:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: actually the final freeze starts for the rc
[12:56] <Nightrose> *nod*
[12:56] <apachelogger> so 30 days before the rc trunk needs to go in completel string freeze
[12:56] <Nightrose> k
[12:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: as for the beta ... if I described some time frame in the release spec on rokymotion then use that, otherwise you might considering introducing a soft-freeze for the beta stage
[12:57] <Nightrose> will do
[12:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: does it recompose the complete image everyday or just upgrade the packages?
[12:59] <apachelogger> might be that there is an upgrade issue
[13:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: new image every day
[13:01] <Riddell> I just upgraded from hardy and it uninstalled amarok-common
[13:01] <apachelogger> hm
[13:02] <apachelogger> amarok-common can't be uninstalled
[13:02] <apachelogger> there was no -common in hardy
[13:02] <davmor2> Riddell: Kub seems to be testing okay :)
[13:03] <Riddell> davmor2: hardy.1?
[13:04] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i get an error compiling qlix http://paste.ubuntu.com/24695/ i think its come from errors of the source, i am right? if what i have to do? contact the upstream?
[13:05] <mouz> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mouz
[13:05] <\sh> Xand3r: mtp/MtpDevice.cpp:774: error: 'strdup' was not declared in this scope <- erorr...strdup is missing..looks like an include problem
[13:06] <apachelogger> gcc 4.3 strikes again :D
[13:06] <Xand3r> i see
[13:06] <Xand3r> i will in form the upstream
[13:06] <Riddell> shouldn't be hard to fixs
[13:07] <apachelogger> hm
[13:07] <Riddell> add a #include <string.h>
[13:07] <apachelogger> Xand3r: please paste the URL for download
[13:07]  * apachelogger is wondering whether that mtp directory is actually a snapshot of libmtp
[13:09] <Xand3r> http://download.berlios.de/qlix/Qlix-0.2-b1.tar.bz2
[13:09] <apachelogger> mouz: looks good, please document your motu related activities as precise as possible
[13:10] <apachelogger> mouz: e.g. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexanderKopf https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StephenStalcup/MOTU
[13:11] <davmor2_dinner> Riddell: yeap
[13:12] <Riddell> davmor2_dinner: great
[13:16] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i gave youz the wrong link
[13:16] <Xand3r> apachelogger: the upstream already packaged it https://launchpad.net/~caffein/+archive
[13:17] <Xand3r> but this is not the best solution i think
[13:18] <Riddell> Xand3r: what's wrong with it?
[13:19] <apachelogger> huh, that debian/ dir is quite "dirty" :D
[13:19] <apachelogger> substvars + files
[13:19] <Xand3r> not using cdbs, control is not complete,
[13:19] <Xand3r> jo
[13:19] <apachelogger> actually
[13:19] <apachelogger> well
[13:19] <apachelogger> control only needs a proper description
[13:19] <Xand3r> so i thought i build an on one using the good things of it
[13:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ask upstream
[13:20] <apachelogger> maybe he wants to do it himself
[13:20] <Xand3r> apachelogger: for what?
[13:20] <apachelogger> less work for you :P
[13:20] <Xand3r> ok
[13:20] <apachelogger> and he can get on the motu train as well
[13:20] <Xand3r> hmm
[13:21] <Xand3r> what i have to say?
[13:22] <Riddell> "this package needs X and Y done to it.  do you want to do that and have us upload it into ubuntu?  or shall we do it."
[13:30] <Xand3r> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24708/
[13:34] <Riddell> Xand3r: may want to add a "Saw you had packages of qlix, I'd like it to get into Ubuntu but it needs some changes"
[13:35] <Xand3r> Riddell: he informed me that he had packaged it
[13:36] <Xand3r> and he wanted a feed back
[13:37] <Riddell> Xand3r: ok, just say "looked at the package, here's some comments"
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Did I show you my wii yet? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jonathan265
[13:37] <Xand3r> ok
[13:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: perfect
[13:40] <vorian> shiny
[13:47] <apachelogger> hm
[13:47] <apachelogger> amarok is broken
[13:48] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what shall i do with ./client/crystalclient.h: MIT/X11 (BSD like)
[13:48] <Xand3r> is the licence BSD?
[13:48] <Xand3r> or MIT/X11
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> I'd think it's MIT/X11
[13:49] <Xand3r> ok
[13:50] <Xand3r> but thi licens i cant find in /usr/share/common-licenses
[13:50] <Xand3r> so where i can refer to
[13:51] <Riddell> Xand3r: just copy and paste the whole thing
[13:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: in which way?
[13:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: hardy -> intrepid uninstalls amarok
[13:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's what I said earlier :)
[13:52] <apachelogger> nah
[13:52] <apachelogger> you said amarok-common :P
[13:52] <apachelogger> the problem is that amarok-common replaces amarok <= 1.4.8
[13:53] <apachelogger> while -common doesn't depend on amarok at all ... apt apparently wants to remove amarok completely
[13:53] <apachelogger> :S
[13:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24712/
[13:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: that should cause apt to update amarok before amarok-common, right?
[13:56] <Riddell> hopefully
[13:58]  * apachelogger trys with ppa
[14:18] <Xand3r> gnaa again gcc4.3 http://paste.ubuntu.com/24718/
[14:19] <Riddell> Xand3r: do you have /usr/include/kdecoration.h from kdebase-workspace-dev installed?
[14:20] <Xand3r> is that mention there?
[14:20]  * Xand3r is reading again
[14:21] <Riddell> search for the first "error"
[14:21] <Xand3r> i have to read carefully in future-.-
[14:21] <Xand3r> no kdebase-workspace-dev is not in the depends
[14:22] <Riddell> add it :)
[14:22] <Xand3r> thx
[14:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  muss man einen englischen blog führen wenn man kubuntu member werden will?
[14:43] <Nightrose> Xand3r: you don't need to blog at all
[14:43] <Nightrose> but if you want to be on the planet then yes
[14:43] <Nightrose> but that is up to you
[14:44] <Riddell> you don't need to blog?
[14:44] <Xand3r> for me it is much work do make an dual language homepage
[14:47] <Xand3r> i found the MIT/X11 licence here http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT-Lizenz
[14:47] <Xand3r> but wich copyrightholder  i have to place in?
[14:49] <Xand3r> the copyrightholder of the source?
[14:52] <Riddell> Xand3r: copy what ./client/crystalclient.h says into debian/copyright
[14:54] <Xand3r> ok
[14:58] <Xand3r> thx
[15:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: Xand3r asked whether one has to have an english blog in order to become kubuntu member
[15:17] <ScottK> There's no requirement to have a blog at all.
[15:17] <apachelogger> that's what Nightrose said :)
[15:17] <ScottK> If there was, I'd be out.
[15:17] <Riddell> if you don't a blog, you won't get any fan mail
[15:18] <apachelogger> hehe
[15:18] <apachelogger> ah
[15:18] <apachelogger> cool
[15:18]  * apachelogger pushes amarok packaging
[15:19]  * ScottK considers that a feature and no bug.
[15:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: please upload ubuntu3 ... maybe it also fixes the cd creation issue
[15:23] <Riddell> don't we already have ubuntu3?
[15:23] <Riddell> oh, no
[15:24] <Riddell> I'm thinking of hardy
[15:24] <apachelogger> s/ubuntu3/2ubuntu3 ;-)
[15:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: up it goes
[15:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you
[15:29] <hunger> Any chance to get cmake 2.6 backported from intrepid to hardy?
[15:30] <Riddell> hunger: isn't it?
[15:30]  * hunger is tiered of working around the incomplete FindQt4 from cmake 2.4 but does not want to force people to upgrade.
[15:30] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake says it is
[15:30] <hunger> Riddell: You are right...
[15:31] <apachelogger> oh
[15:31] <apachelogger> right
[15:31]  * hunger goes and kicks his student that claimed it was not in ubuntu.
[15:31]  * apachelogger should work on that package
[15:31] <apachelogger> it's missing ccmake and cmake-gui
[15:31] <Riddell> he needs hardy-backports enabled
[15:41] <Xand3r> ScottK: hi, can you please backport screenie-qt https://bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/244959
[15:43] <Riddell> Xand3r: it would probably help if you built it in a hardy pbuilder and said in the bug report if that works
[15:44] <Xand3r> Riddell: it would take 7 hours or so to build an hardy pbuilder
[15:44] <davmor2> Riddell: KDE4 is still crappy on oem user setup
[15:45] <Riddell> davmor2: how so?
[15:46] <Riddell> Xand3r: it really shouldn't take that long
[15:46] <hunger> Riddell: Could ccmake and cmake-gui get added to the backported cmake deb?
[15:46] <Xand3r> Riddell: it should, i have an 45kb/s downstream
[15:46] <Riddell> hunger: if they get added to the intrepid one yes
[15:46] <davmor2> setting up the user you get part backdrop part grey and the small black text obscured by the black lines on the backdrop
[15:47] <ScottK> Xand3r: I just left a comment saying what Riddell just told you.
[15:47] <davmor2> Riddell: same issue as with hardy release
[15:47] <Riddell> Xand3r: I could give you an account on my computer if that helps
[15:47] <Riddell> davmor2: the background?
[15:48] <davmor2> Riddell: yeap
[15:48] <Xand3r> Riddell: i think, i will do it when i came home from sports, thx verry much
[15:49] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm, fooey
[15:49] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll track down the bug and update asap
[15:50] <Xand3r> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4 please review it, thx
[15:50] <Xand3r> will be back in 2 hours
[15:50] <Xand3r> c ya
[15:52] <davmor2> Riddell: other than that seems okay
[15:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Is it time for an upload of kde-guidance that only builds guidance-backends?
[15:55] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, that seems like a good idea
[15:57] <ScottK> OK.  Will do.
[16:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: why do we skip rpath?
[16:00] <apachelogger> in kde4 that is
[16:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Looking again, I may have gotten ahead of myself.  Do we have mountconfig, userconfig, and serviceconfig replacements yet?
[16:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess the patch for 'KDE 3' suffixing in menus can be removed?
[16:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: because Debian doesn't like it
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: does anyone actually know why debian doesn't like it?
[16:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, for intrepid that can go
[16:05]  * apachelogger never really got behind that secret
[16:05] <Riddell> ScottK: we have kuser for now, we also have user disk mounting
[16:06] <ScottK> So that leaves serviceconfig and wineconfig?
[16:06] <apachelogger> winecfg
[16:06]  * apachelogger can't think of anything for serviceconfig though
[16:07] <apachelogger> then again ... IMHO such a thingy shouldn't be shipped by default anyway
[16:07] <ScottK> We've shipped it since a long time so dropping it now would be a regression.
[16:07] <ScottK> Fine if that's the right answer, but let's make sure we do it on purpose.
[16:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think we should talk about that at the next meeting
[16:09] <ScottK> Sounds good.
[16:11] <yuriy> apachelogger: wineconfig will be replaced by a smaller utility that just sets the windows version and autoplay and has an advanced button to launch winecfg for everything else
[16:11] <yuriy> I'm waiting for the guy who was doing the GTK version, but he hasn't been around for a few months..
[16:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:12] <apachelogger> a few months is pretty long :S
[16:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: btw, you could build the backport in your ppa
[16:13] <yuriy> yeah, I will try to ping him some other way than IRC
[16:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: just add a new changelog entry with hardy as series and upload to your ppa
[16:13] <Riddell> anything to add? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports/June2008#head-c9cc9ffc5bb3c09031a3678018fd29cdbb2f2ab2
[16:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'd rather keep the backports in hardy-backports unless there's a good reason not.  I don't think unsigned repos are a great idea for general use.
[16:14] <Riddell> ScottK: he means for testing I assume
[16:14] <apachelogger> yep
[16:15] <ScottK> OK.
[16:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: looks complete to me
[16:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3543 /me wants ;-)
[16:57] <Nightrose> ohhhhh apachelogger nevermind...
[16:57]  * Nightrose facebalms
[16:58]  * apachelogger never minds at all
[17:18] <Tm_T> Nightrose: :-P
[17:19] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:20] <Riddell> 16:11 < apachelogger> Oo
[17:20] <Riddell> 16:11 < apachelogger> Oo
[17:21] <apachelogger> ^_^
[17:26] <Riddell> seele, mhb: this seems like an interesting design http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2008-May/msg00006.html
[17:26] <nixternal> oy vey
[17:27] <nixternal> partied a bit to hard last night
[17:29] <Riddell> never mind nixternal, we voted on your being release manager next week
[17:30] <vorian> haha
[17:31] <nixternal> huh?
[17:32] <seele> Riddell: is this a spec or have they begun implementing?
[17:32] <Riddell> seele: I think it's just a spec so far
[17:34] <Artemis_Fowl> hey seele :)
[17:34] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: i just got your mail
[17:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: i am going through it quickly
[17:35] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: hihi
[17:35] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ok, i just didnt want to put it off too long incase you were going to work on it somemore
[17:35] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: i´m leaving for 10 days and wont be avaialable
[17:36] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: lol
[17:37] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: how did u manage to take this screencast with the overhauled color preview widget?
[17:37] <Artemis_Fowl> screenshot*
[17:37] <seele> Riddell: seems like a good design except how they are handling loin screen.  it just seems thrown in to the UI because they didnt know where else ot put it
[17:37] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: apachelogger made me packages so i could install and run it and take screenshots?
[17:38]  * apachelogger hands next week's release manager a hot cup of coffee
[17:38] <apachelogger> a coffee like a wonderful sommer morning
[17:38] <seele> apachelogger: unless it is already hot outside.  iced coffee ftw.
[17:39]  * seele notes how no one seems to drink iced tea and iced coffee anywhere else but here.  it´s NOT a starbucks thing either
[17:39] <apachelogger> giving the feeling to sit under a tree and feel the wind which moves the soft taste of flowers
[17:39] <apachelogger> coffee
[17:39] <apachelogger> like coffee should be
[17:39] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: i mean, u have around 10 kernels. delete them! it look very hmm
[17:39]  * apachelogger should drink less coffee apparently
[17:39] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ah hah.. yes.  but that happens to most people
[17:40] <apachelogger> 10
[17:40] <apachelogger> :D
[17:40]  * apachelogger has >20
[17:40] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: unless my kernel management is f´d up
[17:40] <Artemis_Fowl> :-O
[17:40] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: old kernels arent removed.. you have to do it manually
[17:40] <apachelogger> but then again I also have 3 distros installed
[17:40] <apachelogger> seele: I thought that has been fixed?
[17:40] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: so if you upgrade between releases -- like i do -- you end up with 20 kernels
[17:40] <apachelogger> literally fixed, to max 3 kernels
[17:40] <seele> apachelogger: it might be.. but there are many thigns wrong with my installation
[17:41] <apachelogger> ah, same here :D
[17:41] <seele> apachelogger: adept is supposed to tell me to restart after a kernel update too -- and it doesnt do that for me either
[17:41] <Artemis_Fowl> i have a quad-booted system but all i have is 4 entries...recovery entries or memtests are virtually useless :|
[17:41] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: (you might notice the one screenshot i took after i cleaned it out)
[17:41] <apachelogger> oh, that reminds me
[17:41] <apachelogger> hardy -> intrepid upgrade breaks
[17:42] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: which reminds me.. it might be nice in the future to be able to remove/uninstall kernels from GRUB too.   i dont know how hard it would be though
[17:42] <seele> brb 5 min.. need to get laundry
[17:42] <ScottK> Artemis_Fowl: The Kubuntu recovery entry has some new features in Hardy.  I don't think it's useless at all.
[17:42] <Artemis_Fowl> uninstall = delete the entries && the appropriate packages from  the package manager?
[17:43] <Artemis_Fowl> ScottK: well, I am trying hard not to break my system :)
[17:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: it should be not shown in the list by default
[17:43] <Artemis_Fowl> ScottK: but even if I do so, the "single" kernel parameter is all it takes, i think
[17:43] <ScottK> If you do, you might be glad to have the entries.
[17:43] <apachelogger> more like displaying a hint at the buttom to press a certain key to list that entry
[17:44] <ScottK> I was just responding to the 'useless' comment.  I don't think it's correct.
[17:44] <Artemis_Fowl> ScottK: it has happened to me to destroy my system but I simply edited the entry through GRUB and appended the single argument and fixed the issue
[17:45] <Artemis_Fowl> ScottK: but other users could find it useful undoubtedly
[17:45] <ScottK> OK.  The one I use a lot (since I try to fix displayconfig and do stupid stuff with it) is xfix.
[17:46] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: yes
[17:47] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: i read a nice comment in your blog concerning automagic
[17:47] <seele> which one?
[17:48] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: it mentioned turning the arrow button from green-->red to indicate that this action is not available and then displaying the message box
[17:48] <Artemis_Fowl> what I actually liked was the green-->red thing
[17:48] <seele> you should get the same effect with a disabled button
[17:49] <seele> the problem with the message box is we are allowing users to attempt an action which they wont be able to complete
[17:49] <Artemis_Fowl> right
[17:49] <seele> i´ve never seen anyone change a button.. i guess i could talk to ellen about it and see what she thinks
[17:49] <seele> but i think she will probably say disable does the same thing and is more standard.  i dunno.  i can try
[17:51] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: another thing is the MakeActive option. the documentation I provide is directly from the GRUB Doc 'cause I actually have no idea when it should be used
[17:51] <Artemis_Fowl> indeed the text I provide is kind of stupid
[17:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdepim_4.0.83-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.debdiff
[17:52] <Artemis_Fowl> but I had no better ideas at that time
[17:52] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: haha ok
[17:54] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: from tomorrow on I will be working on it
[17:54] <apachelogger> hm
[17:54] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: most stuff is spacing, alignment hopefully :)
[17:55] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ok cool.  email me with screenshots if you have any questions.  i hope to check email a few times while i´m gone
[17:55] <seele> speaking off.. i need to pack.  i´m leaving in 2 hours
[17:56] <nixternal> where you goin'?
[17:57] <apachelogger> meh
[17:57] <Riddell> seele: loin screen?
[17:58] <apachelogger> kdm needs major unbreaking :S
[17:58] <nixternal> apachelogger: what's wrong with kdm?
[18:01] <apachelogger> nixternal: can't upgrade from kdm-kde4
[18:01] <apachelogger> we need to introduce some work around
[18:01] <apachelogger> because by default it will only reset the default-manager if the _actual_ command is not kdm
[18:02] <nixternal> ahhh
[18:02] <apachelogger> since kdm-kde4 has also kdm as actual command all goes wocka
[18:02] <apachelogger> d'oh!
[18:02] <apachelogger> and I built the wrong kdelibs
[18:02]  * apachelogger headdesks
[18:02] <nixternal> hehe
[18:07] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: when will you be back?
[18:07] <seele> Riddell: login screen options are at teh bottom of the user list
[18:08] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: July 12 or 13.. forget which day
[18:08] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ah ok. about a week.
[18:08] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: have fun then
[18:08] <Artemis_Fowl> bb
[18:57] <Riddell> never mind nixternal, we voted on your being release manager next week
[19:08] <ScottK> Riddell: You can probably remove the intrepid binaries for kde-guidance-powermanager now.  They're NBS on all but HPPA and infinity just kicked the HPPA buildd's for me.
[19:10] <Xand3r> hi
[19:11] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i would realy happy if you could review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4
[19:12] <jjesse> where is the canidated for 8.04.1?
[19:13] <stdin> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[19:13] <jjesse> thanks stdin
[19:13] <Riddell> jjesse: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/hardy/daily/
[19:13] <Xand3r> how can i have two pbuilders (intrepid and hardy)?
[19:13] <jjesse> is that the 20080701.2?
[19:14] <jjesse> or "current"
[19:15] <Nightrose> Xand3r: there is a tutorial in the packaging guide i think
[19:16] <Xand3r> Nightrose: yea but for having one
[19:16] <Xand3r> not for a seccond
[19:16] <Xand3r> i think
[19:16] <Nightrose> there should be one for a second... I had a look at it
[19:16] <Xand3r> i will check it
[19:20] <Xand3r> Riddell: i will build a second pbuilder, this will take some time but i will need it
[19:20] <nixternal> Riddell: that is twice you said that about release manager..did I miss something?
[19:20] <Riddell> Xand3r: comments added to http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4
[19:21] <Riddell> nixternal: alpha 2 due next week and I'm away
[19:21] <nixternal> ok, anything special I need to do for this then? I will get the release notes done this weekend
[19:21] <nixternal> I am work-free from today until Monday :)
[19:21] <nixternal> yay \o/
[19:25] <Xand3r> Riddell: thx
[19:28] <Xand3r> Riddell: i dont know what to do with "dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address" i dont found somthing helpful via google
[19:28] <stdin> Xand3r: means the Maintainer: in debian/control needs an ubuntu.com email address
[19:29] <Riddell> Xand3r: set  Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[19:29] <Riddell> and   XSBC-Original-Maintainer:  you
[19:29] <Xand3r> it has
[19:29] <Xand3r> i thought i alredy done it
[19:30] <Xand3r> that is the thing i do first
[19:30] <Xand3r> hmm
[19:30] <Xand3r> i am sure i have changed this already
[19:33] <txwikinger> or not :D
[19:34] <txwikinger> nixternal: I am invited to a Independence party tomorrow
[19:36] <jjesse_> afternnoon nixternal
[19:37] <Xand3r> questin, if i use kde.mk is cmake and makefiel needed?
[19:37] <stdin> Xand3r: no, the cdbs/kde.mk files includes all the other needed files
[19:37] <stdin> s/files/file/
[19:38] <Xand3r> ok that i thought, so i excluded makfile and cmake and included kde.mk but now it doesnt build
[19:39] <Xand3r> so what is wrong?
[19:39] <stdin> what error does it throw up?
[19:41] <Xand3r> i have to include cmake
[19:42] <stdin> the line in debian/rules should be "include debian/cdbs/kde.mk"
[19:43] <Xand3r> no i use /usr/.....
[19:44] <stdin> copy the debian/cdbs dir from kdelibs or other kde4 package to your package
[19:44] <Xand3r> ok
[19:54] <Xand3r> i using now
[19:54] <Xand3r> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[19:54] <Xand3r> include debian/cdbs/kde.mk
[19:56] <stdin> Xand3r: just the "include debian/cdbs/kde.mk" line, that's all that's needed
[19:56] <Xand3r> stdin: sure? it installs my man?
[19:56] <Xand3r> hmm
[19:57] <stdin> it's all that kdebase-runtime (for one) has
[19:57] <stdin> Xand3r: and kde.mk includes debhelper.mk anyway
[19:58] <Xand3r> oh yea i see
[19:58] <Xand3r> did't read that cerfully
[19:58] <Xand3r> sorry
[20:01] <smarter> Xand3r: look at what kde.mk includes itself
[20:02] <Xand3r> smarter: yea i have seen it thx
[20:15] <Xand3r> Riddell: btw i done the changes
[20:37] <jjesse> quikc question: runin kde4 version of kate and i never have anything show up in the recent document list, anyone seeing anythig like that?
[20:39] <Nightrose> jjesse: jep same here
[20:41] <jjesse> Nightrose: ok just wanted to make sure it wasnt something i did
[20:41] <Nightrose> i wonder if it is fixed in svn now
[20:41] <Nightrose> i am using 4.1 beta 2 now
[20:41] <jjesse> Nightrose: i'm using whatever is in the ppa
[20:42] <Xand3r> Riddell: if you dont find any mistak pleas advocate it http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4
[20:42] <jjesse> spare laptop is booting intrepid right now
[20:42] <Nightrose> jjesse: kubuntu-memmbers-kde4? then beta 2 as well
[20:42] <jjesse> Nightrose: yeah that one
[20:42] <Nightrose> i can try in the nightly session later
[20:42] <Nightrose> andsee if it is fixed
[20:43] <jjesse> ok cool
[20:43] <jjesse> what version of kde4 is intrepid? the alpha release?
[20:43] <Nightrose> think so
[21:01] <Xand3r> apachelogger: kdpgk i sonly merg^^ the upstream had an debian dir in his source^^
[21:09] <Nightrose> jjesse: still seems to be a problem in my nightly session
[21:19] <yuriy> jjesse: recent documents looks fine to me here. you mean the one in the file menu?
[21:19] <yuriy> however, icons in the documents list are broken, which is rather annoying
[21:21] <Nightrose> yuriy: jep in kate  file->open recent
[21:21] <Nightrose> does it still show files for you after a restart of kate?
[21:21] <yuriy> oh, after a restart. i'll check that later
[21:22] <yuriy> Nightrose: opening a new kate while the other one's running, nothing shows up there
[21:23] <Nightrose> :/
[21:23] <Nightrose> jep
[21:23] <Nightrose> same here then
[21:23] <Nightrose> it shows stuff just fine for one session
[21:38] <Xand3r> in wich package is the iostream.h:
[21:40] <jjesse> yuriy: yeah after a restart
[21:40] <jjesse> i lose the recent files
[21:57] <Xand3r> Nightrose: ist heute was wichtiges oder warum sind riddel und harald so inaktiv?
[21:57] <Nightrose> *shrug*
[21:57] <Nightrose> tired maybe? or better things to do?
[21:58] <Xand3r> hmm
[21:59] <Xand3r> apachelogger and tired? maybe in 3 hours
[22:04] <Xand3r> Nightrose: i am searching an project do you know one wich i could join, with my less knowleg?
[22:05] <Nightrose> Xand3r: giving up on packaging?
[22:05] <Xand3r> no
[22:05] <Xand3r> i want to add on^^
[22:06] <Xand3r> *one
[22:06] <Nightrose> ah ok ;-)
[22:06] <Nightrose> hmmm i don't know any off the top of my head right now sorry - maybe stdin has a package that needs fixing?
[22:07] <Xand3r> im not searching somthing to package
[22:07] <Xand3r> i search an projekt i can join
[22:07] <Xand3r> one i can learn something
[22:08] <Nightrose> ah well there are thousands of projects out there who need a helping hand - you just need to find out what you like
[22:08] <Nightrose> and then ask
[22:09] <Nightrose> there is bugsquad in kubuntu and kde for example
[22:09] <Xand3r> gna
[22:09] <Xand3r> that is something i dont like^^
[22:09] <Xand3r> bugs, urg
[22:10] <Nightrose> ok what do you like then
[22:12] <Xand3r> hmm, i dont realy know it, i was intrested in programming but i have never done something
[22:13] <Nightrose> there is a big todo in the topic that also has programming tasks   and if you don't like to do any of those go and ask around in your favourite project - most of them have some kind of junior jobs
[22:14] <Nightrose> anway - need to get some work done
[22:14] <Xand3r> ok thx and sorry for wasting your time
[22:15] <Nightrose> ;-) not wasted if you get to find something useful
[23:32] <Riddell> 8.04.1 released, thanks for the testing folks
[23:34] <Xand3r> Riddell: the iso i am downloading right now (intrepid,alternat) is that with kde3 or kde4?
[23:35] <apachelogger> kde4
[23:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kde4libs_4.0.83-0ubuntu3_to_ubuntu4.debdiff
[23:35] <apachelogger> .kde ftw!
[23:35] <Xand3r> apachelogger: HI!
[23:35] <apachelogger> hoy
[23:36] <Xand3r> how do you do?
[23:37] <stdin> oh, apachelogger, how about fixing cmake/modules/FindKdepim.cmake too?
[23:37] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i search ing a new projekt, do you know one, one i fit in?
[23:37] <apachelogger> stdin: what is wrong with it?
[23:38] <apachelogger> Xand3r: hm?
[23:38] <stdin> apachelogger: it fails to find it because of a case-error
[23:39] <apachelogger> sweeet
[23:39] <apachelogger> when is the next KDE release due?
[23:39] <stdin> apachelogger: http://stdin.me.uk/tmp/kubuntu_07_find_kdepim.diff
[23:40] <stdin> July 8th, 2008: Tag KDE 4.1 RC 1
[23:41] <apachelogger> tagging != release :P
[23:42] <stdin> July 15th, 2008: Release KDE 4.1 RC 1
[23:42] <stdin> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Schedules/KDE4/4.1_Release_Schedule
[23:43]  * apachelogger pokes Xand3r
[23:43] <Xand3r> jea?
[23:43] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what were you talking about?
[23:44] <Xand3r> new projekt?
[23:44] <apachelogger> Xand3r: it's project <-- with C
[23:44] <apachelogger> C is in coffee
[23:45]  * apachelogger might really be addicted
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> Blasphemy against KDE!
[23:45] <Xand3r> jaja it is when i am tired, i mix german with english
[23:45] <Riddell> stdin: are you sure that patch is needed?  I've not noticed it and apparantly neither has upstream
[23:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: KDE ain't has no kays anymore :P
[23:45] <apachelogger> it's all about fancy new names :D
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> All a trick to lull us into a false sense of sekurity
[23:46] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I think I only saw you write project once.... ever :P
[23:46] <stdin> Riddell: well kopete-cryptography would not build until I did added that, failed to find kdepim
[23:46] <apachelogger> stdin: maybe crypto is having the case error then?
[23:46] <Riddell> stdin: can you send it upstream first?  maybe ask on #kopete
[23:47] <Xand3r> apachelogger: maybe i was every tim tired?
[23:47] <stdin> I'll see if I can find the log
[23:47] <apachelogger> Xand3r: that can't be healthy
[23:47] <Xand3r> and that comes from you^^
[23:47] <apachelogger> Xand3r: so what do you mean by ... projeKt
[23:49] <apachelogger> find_package(Kdepim REQUIRED)
[23:49] <Xand3r> apachelogger i am searching a new mission
[23:51] <Riddell> Xand3r: package mailody?
[23:51] <Riddell> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.83/extragear/
[23:52] <apachelogger> actually ... merge mailody
[23:52] <apachelogger> there is a KDE 3 package
[23:52] <Xand3r> gnaaa
[23:52] <apachelogger> also
[23:52] <apachelogger> the cmake package needs enhancements
[23:52] <apachelogger> ccmake and cmake-gui are missing
[23:53] <Xand3r> -.-
[23:53] <apachelogger> we need an MIR for libqca2-plugin-ossl
[23:53] <apachelogger> someone should talk to the phonon devs about auto-codec installation
[23:53] <Riddell> 11:06 < Riddell> Vir: have you considered automatic codec install at all?
[23:53] <Riddell> 11:08 < Vir> Riddell: no
[23:53] <Riddell> 11:08 < Vir> the topic came up
[23:53] <Riddell> 11:08 < Vir> but I don't have time for it :-(
[23:53] <apachelogger> kdesudo-kde4 needs to merge with kdesudo and change paths
[23:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: poke eean
[23:53] <apachelogger> maybe he has
[23:53] <Xand3r> i have know leg about cmake like an apple, no an apple has mor knowleg about cmake
[23:54] <apachelogger> kdm's debconf needs enhancements
[23:54] <Riddell> kdm needs to call usplash too when it's about to quit
[23:54] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, it's about the package
[23:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we have some public todo?
[23:54]  * apachelogger notes that if we do, that thing should become more public as apachelogger doesn't know about it :P
[23:55]  * JontheEchidna points to topic
[23:55] <Nightrose> apachelogger: topic
[23:55] <Nightrose> :P
[23:55] <Nightrose> is that public enough?
[23:55] <apachelogger> hm
[23:55] <apachelogger> was that thing always there?
[23:55] <Nightrose> at least 2 weeks
[23:55] <Nightrose> probably longer
[23:55] <apachelogger> actually the far more important question is ... how do I open that URL now :P
[23:56]  * Nightrose suggests clicking on it
[23:56] <Nightrose> ;-)
[23:56] <apachelogger> bad idea
[23:57] <apachelogger> first thing you learn with quassel - never click on the topic
[23:57] <Nightrose> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo   better?
[23:58] <apachelogger> thx
[23:58] <apachelogger> hm
[23:58] <apachelogger> I was more talking about some short-termish todo