=== threethirty is now known as threethirty_away [02:48] I'm having a problem with sound - everything except adobe flash 10 seems to work. I've done lots of searching and have found some info on problems in hardy but none of that has fixed my problem. Is the sound setup different in intrepid? === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [02:55] Maybe a better way to ask - is there any documentation on the sound architecture for intrepid so I can try to sort this out? [02:58] using alsa ? [03:01] h3sp4wn_: yes - using alsa === macd_ is now known as macd [03:04] OIL: ERROR liboiltest.c 361: oil_test_check_impl(): illegal instruction in mmxCombineAddU [03:04] Odd. That's one thing I get when running Pulse on an old Athlon XP-M 1400 laptop. [03:04] maybe its using sse ? [03:05] DanaG: And does it then crash? [03:05] Nope, I think it works, actually. [03:05] Yeah, it's working. [03:53] LetterRip: make sure your l-r-m and nvidia-glx* bits are in place. [03:53] crimsun_, will do [03:54] crimsun_: But there aren't appropriate nvidia-glx*/l-r-m packages for Intrepid, are there? [03:54] ...which is what I was alluding to. [03:54] Fair enough. Sorry. [03:54] OTOH, I suppose one could install the drivers manually, etc., and keep all the pieces. [03:55] Including a little bit of patching to make the kernel module actually build. [04:25] sigh, new Flash 10 beta. [04:26] With bonus baby-eating action? [04:26] we'll see. I'm updating the source package currently. [04:27] I suppose I should demote the versioned dependency on libflashsupport|libasound2-plugins to recommends [04:27] Ya. Not hard depends, but wanted in all but exceptional cases. [04:31] dude, Adobe, you suck [04:32] thanks for flipping the version string :/ [04:32] flash 10 works with PA [04:32] 10,0,1,218 -> 10,0,0,525 [04:32] I tried it, just removed all the other stuff for flash 9 [04:32] Wah? [04:32] you can't have libflash whatever [04:32] The new version has a _lower_ version string? [04:32] gotta purge them [04:32] RAOF: yep! [04:33] >.< [04:33] Debian unstable doesn't even bother to use upstream's version string in the source package version [04:33] (and rightly/smartly so) [04:39] Hm. I suspect there's a better way to generate a gtk gui in C# than this. [04:43] I'm glad I installed the nsplugin wrapper. [04:43] It seems like I can only get ONE closure of a tab with flash with audio.... and after that, ALL flash-with-audio things die. [04:44] All of them. I end up having to restart Firefox. [04:47] I'll bet if I didn't have nspluginwrapper... it'd be CRASHING firefox. [04:50] RAOF: mind uploading http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/flashplugin-nonfree_10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1.dsc, please? [04:51] (the tar.gz and _source.changes are also present) [04:51] crimsun_: You're unable to upload? [04:52] RAOF: correct, I'm no longer in either upload group. [04:52] (tested, verified working with hardy-* and intrepid) [04:54] ok, battery's nearly drained, and I need to catch the train. [04:55] I'll upload to intrepid. [04:55] Have fun training ;) [04:55] crimsun_: you sure do seem to travel a lot. [04:56] I hope it's for things where it's a good thing. === burner_ is now known as burner [04:56] Mmm, power outage. [04:57] Mmm, laptop. And cable modem and router on a UPS. [04:57] nice [04:57] nice, flash talk. it actually works to fullscreen flash with compiz enabled now :) [04:57] I don't know how much they try to make modems and routers efficient [04:57] but if you run them off UPSs, well, I hope they're good [04:59] Oh, and our "Telephone over Coax" thingy, too. [04:59] Perhaps we should give that one a SECOND ups for safety. [04:59] heh [04:59] I call it 'VoIP' [04:59] It's not, though. [04:59] whatever ;) [05:00] It's modulated in some way, but I don't believe it's VoIP. Unless it has its own internet connection, that is. [05:05] argh, ubuntu-mobile's media player app sees only two songs. [05:05] And yet, the folder I'm using it with has many many many songs. === der0b\ is now known as der0b === Sebast1an is now known as Sebastian === Ekushey- is now known as Ekushey [08:02] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/244883 [08:02] hi [08:02] Launchpad bug 244883 in ubuntu "(ppc arch) dont find cdrom /dev/hdb (mac-mini)" [Undecided,New] [08:22] isn't it sdb? [08:23] Should be scd0 [08:23] oh right [08:23] Hmm, isn't Bluetooth 2.0 EDR supposed to use USB 2.0? [08:23] or /dev/sr0 [08:43] but in dmesg I find "/dev/hdb cdrom" [08:49] eh? [08:49] that's strange [08:49] oh well [08:49] I have detect in dmesg: hda (hd) and hdb (cdrom) [08:49] is a mac-mini-ppc [09:09] hi there [09:10] who was the dev that ask for a better way to do the upgrades of depencies of packages? [09:10] I just noticed the I have some updates for pidgin, while others are still building [09:13] may I make a base installation from cd-netinstall-debian and then [09:14] convert it to kubuntu ? [09:16] if you mess around with /etc/apt/sources.list you may be able to do it [09:16] but no guarantees [09:17] you'll probably have a lot of old config files [09:23] I ask to mi [09:23] how it is possible detect hdb in dmesg [09:23] and not found /dev/hdb ? [09:26] sacarde: why not just use the ubuntu netinstall? [09:26] are Inetboot, and you don't even need the CD... just grub and fast Net [09:26] where is it for 8.10 ? [09:27] no live cd for 8.10 [09:27] just alternate [09:28] eh [09:28] why no livecd i wonder? [09:29] this must be the first time they've released without a livecd [09:29] what mean: ubuntu netinstall ? [09:34] hyperair: too many troubles! and hardy point release got it delayed [09:34] nvidia drivers soon please? :) [09:35] sacarde: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-i386/current/images/ [09:35] I am in ppc [09:35] I wish molgrum... no 3d for me! no games, no compiz, no showing off how Ubuntu is beautiful [09:35] sacarde: there is also images for 64bits [09:36] no ppc [09:36] what is the holdup BUGabundo_work? [09:37] from what I've been told, there were lots of changes to kernel ABI [09:37] and there is an huge delay in doing the lbm modules for it [09:37] ah :( [09:38] sacarde: ppc AFAIK is no longer supported [09:38] that sucks [09:38] sacarde: http://openlab.jp/oscircular/inetboot/ [09:38] its great to boot up the machine without any CD or disk [09:39] of course, just to boot GDM it takes 200MiBs of packages [09:39] lol [09:42] hrrm [09:50] BUGabundo_work, but oscircular need a livecd [09:51] sacarde: use hardy 8.04.1 [09:51] and dist-upgrade [09:51] to 8.10 ? [09:51] may it? [09:52] there is no licevd for 8.10, I'm sorry [09:52] either you dist-upgrade or use the alternatecd [09:52] alternate cd non detect my cdrom [09:53] sacarde: keep your eyes on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ [09:53] I know [09:53] sacarde: both alternate cd and livecd work the same way [09:53] there should not be any diference with your cdrom drive [09:54] when you say its doesn't detect, what exactly do you mean? [09:54] in dmesg I view it: hdb [09:54] but I dont find /dev/hdb [09:54] on bios Boot? [09:54] install [09:54] after install? [09:55] I choose "install" kernel [09:56] I've seen some bug reports on trouble using the CD [09:56] check out LP and subscrive to the one that fits you best [09:56] the alternate and live images installer are a bit diferent, and _may_ cause that behaviour [09:56] but if they do cause you trouble, then it's a bug [09:57] do hardy live cd and alternate cd work for you sacarde ? [09:57] I no try [09:57] can you please try hardy 8.04.1 live cd? [09:58] I looking for a workaround intrepid problem [09:58] and if you already have a grub instaled you can try the inetboot [09:58] but what is your prob exactly? [09:58] not mouting the CD drive? [09:58] in dmesg I view it: hdb [09:58] but I dont find /dev/hdb [09:59] but is it a fresh install (via alternate cd / net boot) or upgrade from hardy? [10:00] fresh install from alternate [10:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/244883 [10:00] Launchpad bug 244883 in ubuntu "(ppc arch) dont find cdrom /dev/hdb (mac-mini)" [Undecided,New] [10:00] I have no experience with ppc, I'm sorry [10:00] can you please post the line from dmesg? [10:01] hdb: MATSHITACD-RW CW-8124, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive [10:01] may be a module specific mnissing? [10:02] I try to load : cdrom, but not resolv [10:03] not even /dev(scd0 ? [10:04] I am serching only hd* [10:04] I try [10:04] do a ls /dev/sc then hit tab twice [10:05] or [10:05] do a ls /dev/cdr then hit tab twice [10:06] if it exist... what I have to do? installer would find hdb I think [10:09] ln -s hdb ? === Terry is now known as Guest96356 [12:12] can anyone answer, what's going on with nvidia drivers? [12:16] not done yet [12:19] hello guys [12:19] yo [12:20] what is the kernel of the new developed ubuntu? 2.6.25? [12:20] .26 [12:20] 2.6.26 [12:21] :D so the driver for the intel pro wireless 4965 is changed with this version? [12:21] i have no idea [12:22] the only thing i know about intrepid is that nvidia is broken at the moment [12:22] and i refuse to use it compizless [12:22] use opensource drivers ;) [12:22] if possible? [12:22] nouveau not shipped [12:22] and nv doesn't support 3d [12:22] woo hoo [12:23] the question is... "what open source drivers?" [12:23] are there no open source drivers for the nvidia cards i thought there were :s look in the site of compiz ;) [12:24] the only thing i hate about ubuntu is the frequency of updates :@ [12:26] what? [12:26] frequency? [12:27] don't you mean rarity? [12:27] i hate the way ubuntu's a static release distro [12:27] but otherwise it's nice [12:28] anyway the only open source drivers for nvidia cards are nv and nouveau [12:28] of course there's vesa [12:28] vesa? :) [12:28] but that's just a generic driver with no 2d/3d acceleration [12:28] hrm, how would one install nouveau on 8.10 then? [12:29] it's not in the frigging repo [12:29] zz [12:29] so much for "ubuntu will support the nouveau project completely" [12:29] pah [12:29] i don't understand why nvidia gives the source code of their hardware they only distribute binairies :@ [12:29] maybe they just haven't had the time yet [12:30] i think it would take less time to release source code [12:30] is ati open source yet? [12:30] than to release binaries [12:30] i have no idea [12:30] i heard ati was going open source [12:30] then no more news about it [12:30] i'll switch to ati if they go [12:30] lol [12:30] i don't have the money to keep switching [12:30] so i'm still using my ancient nvidia card [12:30] was thinking in the future :) [12:30] nvidia geforce4 mx [12:31] doesn't even work with the 1xx.xx.xx drivers [12:31] nvidia for ever sorry but never really liked ati and catalyst [12:32] intel graphics family is welcome too :D [12:33] but i have to say that ati's linux drivers are better then its windows ones XD [12:35] lol why? [12:36] well according to my ati experiance [12:36] i see [12:39] to be honest i don't understand the mentality of men selling hardware not opensourcing their drivers... the more people developping the better it gets [12:40] um according to them, it will expose the secrets they have put into the hardware [12:40] and people like ati can take advantage of them [12:40] or so it seems [12:42] well companies like these could win the hole market for themselves with just a few modifications in their philosofy :( [12:42] philosophy you mean [12:43] and whole [12:43] tnx for correcting my mistakes ;) [12:43] ;) [13:27] uhm [13:27] both the gnome sound server and gnash is playing sounds in my pc speaker... [13:27] since i upgraded to 8.10 [13:28] molgrum: Have you concidered searching for or logging a bug? [13:35] i might have found something.. [13:36] Pici: there's info on the forums on how to fix it [13:36] (search for posts by me, and you'll find it) [13:36] Hobbsee: I see. /noted [13:39] ok i blacklisted the pc speaker module :P [13:40] it's pcm_pcsp isn't it [13:40] it changed eh [13:40] it used to be pcspkr [13:40] http://www.inspirecom.com/content/view/22/12/ [13:41] changed to snd_pcsp [13:41] my pc speaker's spoilt or something so it makes some loud scratchy sound. i was worried my hard disk was grinding to a halt when it booted up [13:41] >< [13:41] same here [13:41] it can actually play stuff so you can hear it, but there's a loud grinding noise that accompanies [13:42] ah isit? [13:42] so my pc speaker isn't spoilt after all [13:42] annoying grinding sound [13:43] yeah [13:43] molgrum: I've been informed that there is a post on the forums to resolve your issue. [13:43] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5299675&postcount=13 [13:43] other than blacklisting pcspkr? [13:44] found it actually :) [13:44] thanks Pici [13:44] molgrum: Yep, that was it [14:39] update time! [14:41] i'd like to have that proprietary nvidia driver to run opengl stuff.. but nv is doing fine [14:41] not for 3d :/ [14:43] i can still run all the default programs without issues .. so that's good [14:45] except for f-spot .. came back to using rhythmbox again too; very smooth in 8.10, so much that it made me drop quodlibet [14:46] i can't run any GLX apps [14:47] thats out of the question at the moment [14:50] actually.. i lied .. not all the default programs.. there is a real ugly totem bug that's not allowing me to play DVD's [15:01] G_009: there have been noticable rhythmbox improvements from 8.04 -> 8.10? [15:06] my library loads quickly .. in previous versions it would get stuck in an endless loop; visualization doesn't use up 100% cpu; dragging progress bar is efficiently fast; i think all of it has to do with how kernel is so sexy, but rhythmbox is packed full of features too [15:09] am not even using swap [15:09] as in , i set up the system with no swap [15:09] still smooth [15:43] * DanaG loves having international keyboard. When I went to bed last night, I set my status to "S£€€P(ing)." [16:57] hi all, anyone know if redirected direct rendering will make it into intrepid? [16:59] DRI2? [16:59] ethana2 yea [16:59] +gem and whatever's needed now [16:59] nope [16:59] not last I heard [16:59] ethana2 darn :( [16:59] I was disappointed, but whatever-- [16:59] they know what they're doing [17:01] ethana2 i hope so [17:07] is OSS4 in ubuntu yet? [17:08] do we even ship OSS with PulseAudio? [17:11] what? oss with pulseaudio? [17:11] highly doubt it [17:12] I've tried OSS4 with PulseAudio. It doesn't work. [17:13] (And besides, oss4 hard-locks my system. Not kernel panic, but actual hard-lock.) [17:13] lol [17:13] weird [17:13] did you try module-oss-sink? [17:13] Yup. [17:13] or whatever it was called [17:13] ah [17:14] i think pulseaudio needs to be compiled with oss4 support in order for that to work then [17:14] oos4? [17:14] oss4? [17:14] yeah [17:14] pulseaudio with oss4? [17:14] OSSv4 [17:14] wow [17:14] is it better than alsa? [17:14] supposedly [17:14] no scratch that. it is better than alsa [17:15] Not for me. [17:15] well when it works [17:15] Yeah. [17:15] but I'm using ubuntu how do I test oss4 to see if it's really better than alsa? because oss4 are supposedly better with blast soundcard not others? [17:15] when it works, it's better than alsa [17:15] And the mixer is way cryptic, too. [17:15] erm ossv4 is supposed to have software mixing [17:15] so a regular integrated sound card should work to [17:15] (though it IS a bit fun having individual pin control on HDA devices) [17:15] o [17:16] DanaG, what do you mean by that? [17:17] You can set mic-in to be another headphone jack, for example. [17:17] Though, they call things "Front green" and such -- and none of my ports is actually colored. [17:17] lol [17:18] hyperair, DanaG are you guys using intrepid? [17:18] i'm using archlinux until the devs get nvidia up and working in intrepid [17:18] * hyperair is annoyed with the broken nvidia modules in intrepid [17:19] hyperair, it breaks in intrepid? [17:19] hyperair, how? [17:19] yes [17:19] more like [17:19] missing [17:19] nada [17:19] nothing [17:19] nil [17:19] hyperair, it's fine in hardy [17:19] of course it is [17:19] they REMOVED IT in intrepid [17:19] There's a forum thread on how to fix nvidia in intrepid. [17:19] yeah [17:19] oh [17:19] but not for legacy nvidia users [17:19] hm [17:19] It takes some patching of the installer itself. [17:19] Aah. [17:19] i'm using 96.43.05 [17:19] Dang. Legacy. [17:19] patch..patch [17:19] pfffffffft [17:19] * hyperair is pissed [17:19] i'm using the 17x [17:19] yay for j00 [17:20] For people with ATI, at least the open-source drivers ALL do 2D acceleration. [17:20] nv doesn't accelerate 2D, from what I've seen when using it. [17:20] DanaG, I thought ati is releasing linux driver? [17:20] while i'm waiting for ubuntu to get nvidia back up and working i guess i'll continue engaging in a nice and heated debate on whether en_GB uses AM/PM for time or not [17:20] >=( [17:20] Yeah, ATI has the closed-source fglrx, AND the open-source 'radeon' and 'radeonhd' [17:21] i absolutely refuse to believe that en_GB has no AM/PM, but that's how it is in upstream gnome. [17:21] i wish ubuntu had nouveau [17:21] hyperair, nouveau? [17:21] or some other non-existent nvidia driver [17:21] No suspend == I won't use nouveau. [17:21] yeah [17:21] what?! [17:21] no suspend?! [17:21] DanaG: that forum thread.. is it for example worth looking for if i have 8800gts? [17:21] T_T [17:22] molgrum: yes it is [17:22] i really want to get glx working [17:22] Anything 6-series and newer. [17:22] ok thanks [17:22] oh [17:22] I see [17:22] ¬_¬ [17:22] geforce4 here T_T [17:22] only the new graphic cards [17:22] =þ [17:22] i feel neglected [17:22] left out [17:22] what character is taht? [17:22] "thorn" (AltGr-T on US International) [17:22] AltGr is right alt. [17:23] ¬_¬ [17:23] how do I press it? [17:23] aah, the ¬ is altgr \ [17:23] it's not coming out [17:23] þ is altgr t [17:23] on en_GB it's altgr + - + , [17:23] heh [17:23] what layout? [17:23] do you hold it? [17:23] é [17:23] my altgr + t is that dead key [17:23] i'm using us layout [17:23] I'm using US International (AltGr DeadKeys) [17:24] colemak here [17:24] DanaG: ahh... [17:24] Anybody know where to print the layout, so you can actually READ it? The gnome thingy prints it unreadably. [17:24] by the way, does colemak Just Work in intrepid yet? [17:24] I'll be on alpha 2 or 3 updating my bug.... [17:24] I'm going to use some "Keyboard Layout Manager" thingy in Windows to make the same AltGr-Deadkeys layout. [17:24] I'm tired of having to mess with it so much [17:25] DanaG, how do you make AltGr? [17:25] use a layout that has it, press the alt to the right of the space bar [17:25] ethana2, but for me it's not generating any character at all with that pressed [17:26] this should be addressed upstream [17:26] G_009: ? [17:26] not [17:26]