[00:00] ogra: um, not worth the shipping... :) [00:00] gracias and good night [00:00] thanks, all [00:00] thanks [00:00] thanks [00:00] heh, probably, but it woul sit next to an indigo2 in my little muzeum [00:00] thanks [00:00] thanks [00:02] goodnight [00:03] night all === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 03 Jul 00:00 UTC: Maryland LoCo IRC | 03 Jul 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 03 Jul 16:00 UTC: First Java Team meeting | 04 Jul 16:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 19:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Maryland LoCo IRC | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 03 Jul 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 03 Jul 16:00 UTC: First Java Team meeting | 04 Jul 16:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 19:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 03 Jul 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 03 Jul 16:00 UTC: First Java Team meeting | 04 Jul 16:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 19:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board === asac_ is now known as asac === lamont` is now known as lamont === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 03 Jul 13:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 03 Jul 16:00 UTC: First Java Team meeting | 04 Jul 16:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 19:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board === asac__ is now known as asac === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === puzzle is now known as ecanto === asac_ is now known as asac === tuxlinux_ is now known as tuxlinux === evand_ is now known as evand [13:54] * mvo looks around [13:57] hi [13:57] hey pitti [13:58] * tedg says morning everyone [13:58] We should have the entire meeting in the third person :) [13:58] hey pitti, seb128, tedg [13:58] hi hi [13:59] greetings [13:59] yo pitti, seb128, tedg, mvo, pedro_ [14:00] hey MacSlow! === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Desktop Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 03 Jul 16:00 UTC: First Java Team meeting | 04 Jul 16:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 19:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board === Rinchen` is now known as Rinchen [14:02] riiight [14:02] tedg: activity report? :) [14:03] Keybuk: Yes, sorry. I upgraded to Intrepid... so I was fighting X until late. :( I'm doing it right now. [14:03] Keybuk: I would like to add "IM Future" to the agenda. [14:03] :-) [14:03] ok [14:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-07-03 [14:03] ^ agenda with everything but tedg ;) [14:04] MacSlow: you had an action to update clutter, and an agenda item saying you weren't able to do it? [14:04] are they in the sponsor queue now? [14:04] Keybuk, no I still have to work on that :/ [14:05] ok, you should obviously confirm that with Mark [14:05] if you don't need it, Neil can always do it ;) [14:05] seele: did you get any further with Jono? [14:05] Keybuk, but considering I've to present something regarding the login-experience by next week... I'm hm... well... not sure what to give higher priority [14:05] Keybuk: nope, i did ping him again last week too [14:06] Keybuk, ok [14:06] MacSlow: whatever Mark wants you to do is your priority [14:06] Keybuk, Ok I'll check with Mark [14:07] MacSlow: and likewise, merges are over now - so we'll drop that final action point [14:07] hm, we shouldn't merge it any more? weird [14:07] Keybuk, well goffice and gnumeric are done by now [14:07] pitti: Debian Import Freeze [14:07] MacSlow: oh, great! I didn't see that in -changes [14:08] but now that I learn how to type "office", I can see it [14:08] Keybuk: true, but that's meant as "you have to ask now", not "it's impossible now"? [14:08] Keybuk, maybe the stuff mvo sponsored last night didn't show up there yet [14:08] pitti: what do you have to ask now? [14:08] seb128: initial merges [14:09] ask to do what I mean [14:09] mvo, is there any latency for stuff to show up once you uploaded it? Now sure how this -changes stuff is generated [14:09] s/Now/Not [14:09] MacSlow: it's there, I'm just unable to spell [14:09] next topic [14:09] :) [14:09] Activity Reports [14:09] MacSlow: should be here now [14:09] (the sending of) [14:10] the distro team is ever growing as a team now [14:10] mvo, Keybuk just said he misspelled it... probably while searching for the entries :) [14:10] ok [14:10] and our internal list is full of the reports, all on different days, etc. [14:10] so a decision has been made that distro-team is no longer the appropriate place to send your reports [14:10] in future, simply send your reports to your line manager (me!) [14:11] oh, hm [14:11] ok [14:11] if there's non-confidential bits, you can also send them to ubuntu-desktop where I'm sure the community would be delighted to read them [14:11] (or edit out the confidential bits and send them) [14:11] I don't think we should abuse the community list for that [14:11] I'll continue to include them in the report from this meeting [14:11] Keybuk: well, for -desktop, the weekly meeting report already goes there, and includes the reports, right? [14:11] so that would be redundant [14:11] pitti: right [14:11] will you continue in copying those in the meeting minutes? [14:11] seb128: I will [14:13] does anybody particularly want their reports to be read before the meeting? [14:13] or would everyone be happy with them being read by others as part of the meeting report afterwards? [14:13] occasinoally it is useful to discuss agenda items on the ML before the meeting [14:14] it is, but maybe those should be public mailing list threads anyway? :) [14:14] as for the actual reports, inclusion in meeting report sounds good to me [14:14] right... e.g. the libpam issue I have is such a thing I guess? [14:14] Keybuk: just what I wanted to say :) [14:14] I like to be able to comment on some points listed during the meeting [14:14] but having those in the meeting agenda is good enough [14:14] pitti, would the libpam issue be a topic to be discussed on the ml before the meeting? [14:15] if everyone's happy, let's agree to only send the reports to me - and I'll include them in the meeting report, and make sure we have time at the end of the meeting to discuss any points [14:15] works for me [14:15] pitti, I only had a very brief discussion with ogra and slangasek on IRC earlier today [14:15] MacSlow: it's pretty independent, I'd say; it's not specific to the desktop team, and should just be discussed on ubuntu-devel@ [14:15] if you have particular items you want discussed first, you should use the ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-devel mailing lists as they're intended and discuss it there [14:15] pitti, ok [14:15] * mvo nods [14:16] ok [14:16] next week's meeting [14:16] I'll be at GUADEC, as will seb128, pedro_, mvo and MacSlow [14:17] pitti: will you lead the meeting for the others? [14:17] sure, I can do that, if there's anyone left to meet ;) [14:17] we'll see each other on Sunday anyway, too [14:18] do the others feel like they want a meeting? [14:18] let's have the meeting formally, and just cut it after 10 minutes if there's nothing to discuss, shall we? [14:18] ok [14:18] yup [14:18] EVERYONE, cc your activity report to pitti so he can put together the meeting report [14:18] pitti: at the very least, send out one with the reports in it [14:18] noted [14:19] obviously there will be no desktop team meeting the week after [14:19] since we'll all be in sunny london [14:19] \o/ [14:20] sunny would be awesome :) [14:20] you mean, s/no/the entire week/ :) [14:20] well, yes [14:20] no online team meeting ;) [14:21] on GUADEC, does everybody going know where they're going, where the hotel is, who they're rooming with, etc.? [14:21] yes [14:21] yup [14:21] yes [14:21] sure ;-) [14:22] do we have any agenda about things we should discuss at GUADEC etc? [14:22] seb128, mvo, MacSlow: you all fly in on the monday? [14:23] late sunday night [14:23] yeah... early monday :) sorry [14:23] MacSlow: oh, yes, very late [14:23] yep [14:23] MacSlow: same flight as mvo [14:23] travel begins for me sunday anyway [14:23] Keybuk, indeed [14:23] MacSlow: make sure you chat to Neil (who you're rooming with) so he knows what time you'll crawl in ;P [14:24] Keybuk: I fly on monday morning, the option on sunday really sucked [14:24] Keybuk, I thought I only share room with Neil at the sprint... not at GUADEC [14:24] MacSlow: did you read the spreadsheet I sent out? [14:24] I'm arriving Sunday late at night and starting to travel the Saturday evening eek [14:24] Keybuk: I will try to not wake you up, but it will be late, you may want to use ear-plugs :) [14:25] Keybuk, no wait... at the sprint it's Ted [14:27] Keybuk, yes... I remember now the spreadsheet supersedes the wiki-page [14:27] apologies for the confusion with it all [14:27] the hotel wasn't happy booking people in at 4am [14:27] so mvo and MacSlow had to share with someone already there [14:27] and Eyas attempted to optimise the rooms a little bit too keenly [14:27] Keybuk, np [14:27] so I flattened it out again best I could [14:28] I think, in practice, it was just neil and mirco that got swapped into a room together since Neil arrives on the same flight as me [14:29] anyway [14:29] agenda for GUADEC [14:29] bzr bzr bzr bzr bzr bzr bzr bzr [14:29] fight fight fight? [14:29] ? [14:29] ? ? ? ? :) [14:29] the Bazaar folks are sending a veritable army to persuade GNOME that git is a piece of crap [14:29] that's going to require a lot of beers ;-) [14:30] bzr++ [14:30] faith-wars ahead ;) [14:30] hiring is another big one [14:30] the Xorg-crowd will try to counter that I could imagine [14:30] we're hiring: [14:30] * Desktop Team Manager [14:30] * Ubuntu GNOME Maintainer [14:31] * about 3 developers to work on Ubuntu Online Desktop [14:31] * some developers (probably about the same number) to work on the Ubuntu Desktop Experience [14:31] incidenty I draftet a little "git-for-bzr-users" the other night about my painful learning of the git basics [14:32] so we should tell people how great it is to work for Canonical :) [14:33] So a religious fight over version control and hiring bonuses ;) [14:33] oh, yes, hiring bonuses! [14:33] remember, if you recommend someone who gets a job, you get $$ :p [14:33] hint: keep me out of any discussion regarding packaging ;) [14:33] MacSlow: 5-6 of the positions do not involve significant amounts of packaging [14:34] Keybuk, I know... it was meant as a joke :) [14:34] in fact, some of those may end up being your team mates [14:34] We should start a pyramid scheme, if you recommend someone who gets a job who then recommends someone who gets a job you get a bonus ;) [14:34] " * some developers (probably about the same number) to work on the Ubuntu Desktop Experience" [14:34] seb128: intended paste? [14:34] is that upstream work? rather bling or all sort of desktop work? [14:35] Keybuk: yes ;-) [14:35] very bling upstream work [14:35] ok [14:35] hopefully you all know now that I am stepping down as the head of the Desktop Team [14:36] and that we'll be hiring a new manager, who will be supported by a Technical Lead [14:36] (the platform team will undergo a similar change) [14:36] the desktop team will continue to concentrate on maintenance of the two desktop edition [14:37] development of software to deal with the common experiences, and stuff unique to ubuntu like jockey, update manager, etc. [14:37] in fact, there will be a little internal shuffling in the distro so that other desktop-related bits will fall into the desktop team [14:38] as part of this, the "new experience" work will be separated out into a new team [14:38] this team will be doing lots of very cool development work, looking at new and blingful ways to improve the desktop [14:38] and this time will be very much an upstream team [14:38] a new manager will be hired for this team, provisionally called the "desktop experience team" [14:39] and ted and mirco will transfer over to that team [14:39] in the meantime, since Mark is keen to get started, they'll continue to report to me but Mark will manage their day-to-day workloads [14:40] experience .... [14:40] :) [14:40] I know that Mirco is greatly looking forwards to not doing any more merges :) [14:40] YES! [14:40] heh :) [14:40] GL all the way! [14:40] MacSlow, congrats to getting that ugly goffice/gnimric stuff in shape btw :) [14:40] *gnumeric [14:41] ogra, much of the nasty bits mvo has to get the credit for! [14:41] well, but you have seen the guts and it wasnt an easy one :) [14:41] next he's going to update pam apparently ;-) [14:41] yeah, i heard that one [14:41] fine if he takes over maintenance for it :P [14:41] I kept wondering during the merge if it shouldn't be xubuntu people doing it given that the multibuild was added specifically for them [14:41] yeah [14:41] ogra, at least I now can appreciate the work done by mvo, seb128, pitti & Co even more... merges can be bloody gruesome :) [14:42] mvo: because making cody-somerville cry is such fun? :) [14:42] seb128: *cough* [14:42] * ogra was expecting that too [14:42] yeah :) [14:42] mvo: it should yes, but apparently they are busy or slacking or something [14:42] seb128, can you feel my pain? ;) [14:42] that's not that bad ;-) [14:43] MacSlow: so, about pam [14:43] you have an agenda item for it [14:43] seb128, I'd rather prefer sticking to gdm r6275 and avoid the libpam issue for some time... ogra and slangasek told me earlier what a huge bunch of work it would be to update everything to libpam >= 0.99.10.0 [14:44] I'm scared as hell regarding the libpam issue [14:44] MacSlow: sounds like this should be discussed on ubuntu-devel [14:44] slangasek is Mr PAM [14:44] Keybuk, so skip it here and just ask what I want to ask on the ubuntu-devel ml?! [14:45] o/~ Call Mr. PAM, that's my name [14:45] are you sure the new version is required? [14:45] o/~ that name again is Mr. PAM [14:45] http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gdm/trunk/daemon/gdm-session-worker.c?r1=6276&r2=6275&pathrev=6276 [14:45] MacSlow: exactly [14:45] the code seems to use ifdef cases [14:45] Keybuk, ok [14:45] seb128, hm... didn't saw that yet [14:45] (-> mailing list ;) [14:45] tedg: IM Future [14:46] I wonder if Fedora uses a new libpam already [14:46] So the question came up with where do we seem IM going on the desktop. [14:46] IM being Instant Messaging [14:46] Is it a Pidgin or a Telepathy thing. [14:46] It seems like Telepathy is trying to get into GNOME, but not for this round at least. [14:47] MacSlow: fc9 has 1.0.1 [14:47] my feeling is that Pidgin vaguely works, but isn't popular [14:47] Will Empathy be default on the Ubuntu desktop in the future? [14:47] Telepathy is popular, the future, but doesn't work [14:47] Keybuk: I've to opposite feeling [14:47] seb128: really, which feeling do you have? [14:47] I've the impression 95% of linux non-kde users are running pidgin [14:47] I guess this is because pdigin works [14:48] or maybe I didn't get your "popular" definition [14:48] ah, sorry [14:48] why isn't pidging popular? [14:48] by popular I meant that nobody really _likes it_ [14:48] but everybody uses it [14:48] it's very popular [14:48] it speaks everything IMish and looks moderately decent? [14:48] to be fair I don't think we get very users complains [14:48] Pidgin vaguely works, everyone uses it, but nobody really likes it [14:48] seb128, that explains their forward nature to add this newer libpam feature to gdm [14:48] i. e. my q is: what's wrong with it? [14:48] it just works fine for all the lusers I know [14:48] everyone likes Telepathy, but it doesn't work and nobody uses it much [14:49] "everyone" in the GNOME upstream community you mean [14:49] yeah [14:49] * Keybuk isn't picking good words today [14:49] the large userbase has nothing against pidgin from what I can see [14:49] I would be in favor to keep using pidgin until we have a compeling reason to switch [14:49] the main thing telepathy has going for it, is that one day it will do MSN video chats [14:50] or until telepathy is a good as pidgin is [14:50] (it claims to do it today, but usually crashes on me ) [14:50] the telepathy stack is available in ubuntu and people who know about it are usually fine installing it [14:50] and users who don't know about it likely want to use pidgin at the moment because it works better [14:51] so would you say that Pidgin is clearly today's choice [14:51] so I would be in favor of keeping pidgin as the default for now [14:51] of course it would be nice to eventually merge things like pidgin and ekiga, but is it there yet? [14:51] and the choice of the near future [14:51] dunno about near future [14:51] but in the distant future, telepathy may have more promise [14:51] regarding pidgin... it's ICQ-plugin just started to fail working yesterday [14:51] but I don't see that changing in a 6 months timeframe [14:51] MacSlow: hardy-proposed FTW [14:52] MacSlow: already fixed yesterday for gutsy, hardy and intrepid [14:52] pitti, I've those enabled... odd [14:52] MacSlow: the hardy update was blocked until this morning due to 8.04.1 [14:52] MacSlow: upgrade again :) (and maybe de.archive mirror lag) [14:52] tedg: does that answer your question? :) [14:52] anyway [14:52] what other people think about pidgin? [14:52] I've been a bit vocal but I'm interested in other people opinion too ;-) [14:53] pitti, so would you drop xchat for pidgin ? [14:53] Keybuk: Yes. [14:53] ogra: we did that a year ago [14:53] I use pidgin for MSN, I tried to hack on the code a couple of times, but it made me ill [14:53] seb128, pitti didnt :) [14:53] ogra: we haven't isntalled xchat for ages any more; WDYM? [14:53] seb128, me neither [14:53] I use Empathy for Jabber and Bonjour, and the code for that is much neater [14:53] Personally, I like Empathy but it does make me unhappy often (using Pidgin now) [14:53] ogra: oh, you mean me personally? I use weechat nowadays [14:53] but then again, random trivia time [14:53] pitti, oh, i thought you had it last sprint :) sorry then [14:53] Keybuk: code is not revelant here since we don't do upstream work on it ;-) [14:54] we use Telepathy to do the Icecast streaming at UDS [14:54] pitti, seb128: will try [14:54] pitti, so why dont you use pidgin ? :) [14:54] what we need to know if it does as many protocol, has the same features and is as stable [14:54] I use pidgin every day (started automatically) for ICQ and jabber, and it Just Works [14:54] and it breaks randomly [14:54] ogra: too wasteful with screen space [14:54] it does IRC as well [14:54] right [14:54] in fact, we had to roll back to hardy versions of some things just to make it work for Prague [14:54] I use it for icq, jabber, msn and bonjour at conference and it just works for me too [14:54] seb128: Telepathy will use pidgin's libpurple, so the protocols aren't as much of an issue. [14:54] so Telepathy clearly has a way to go [14:54] just fine for ICQ, but not nice for IRC channels which are permanently open [14:54] i fintd it unusable for IRC as well ... [14:54] seb128: It isn't as stable though. [14:54] seb128: the pidgin bonjour implementation is infamously broken [14:55] pidgin can only talk to pidgin [14:55] when I tried it previous time I didn't manage to configure an account [14:55] but maybe I should try again [14:55] The cool part about telepathy is the GStreamer integration, the voice chats and video (I haven't done that yet) possibilities are exciting. [14:55] also at the moment Empathy doesn't have a lot of the shiny things that normal users tend to use (smiles, themes, etc) it's also a bit difficult to configure (new accounts for instance) [14:55] well [14:55] on the paper telepathy is great [14:55] and it's clearly the way to go [14:55] I just don't think it's there yet [14:56] and I think our usebase will not like the change because it'll no win them a lot [14:56] Also, folks like Abiword are using it for their AbiCollab stuff (one mode of it) [14:56] just ship the papaer with the CDs :) [14:56] and it still has many issues compared to pidgin [14:56] tedg, the gstreamer-bits of Telepathy make me jump of joy regarding all the "hideous" things one could to with GL on it [14:56] that's likely early gstreamer days [14:56] tedg: Abiword vs. OpenOffice is a totally different religious war ;) [14:56] everybody was still using totem-xine [14:56] Keybuk, a totally vaid one though ... until it comes to .ppt [14:56] seb128: I think we got away with that because nobody really expected video to work [14:56] *valid [14:57] so we were able to bet on gstreamer, and wait for it to develop [14:57] I think people expect IM to work too much [14:57] * tedg doesn't know why development of presentation software seems to fail [14:57] so we have to use Pidgin, and can't default to telepathy until it actually works [14:57] right [14:57] Keybuk, three of the core gstreamer folks are at Collabora now [14:57] and my gut feeling is that telepathy is not there yet [14:57] they are used to see it working from previous releases [14:58] and it'll be perceived as a regression for many users in the current state [14:58] Keybuk, so one can expect to see gstreamer usage in telepathy rock sooner or later [14:58] tedg: http://www.apple.com/iwork/keynote/ but for Linux ... mmmm [14:58] tedg, yes, its a shame ... and there were several attaempts ... but you are somewhat bound to have ppt support *first* before you start anything else , because its a quasi standard [14:58] Keybuk, but that's just a bit of guessing from my side [14:58] UI too confusing, too many bugs, features not ready yet [14:58] So, let me add a GUADEC question.... Telepathy for next LTS? [14:58] yes [14:58] I would say a one year timeframe seems reasonable [14:58] maybe intrepid+1 [14:59] just my opinion [14:59] but it depends a lot of active the project is in the next months, not easy to say [14:59] gvfs is stalled at the moment for example [14:59] Keybuk: Have you actually used Keynote? I haven't done anything but look at screenshots :-/ [15:00] tedg: yes [15:00] it's really quite nice [15:00] Keybuk: What's so great? [15:00] Is Nokia still funding Telepathy development? [15:00] btw does anybody knows what is going on tracker? [15:00] tedg: it's not the PowerPoint model of presentation, where you draw boxes and drop things into slides [15:00] some guys are commiting all days long on it for months now [15:00] tedg: it's much more about visuals and styles, and emphasis on what you want to say [15:01] is nokia funding them to get it on shape or something? [15:01] hard to explain really [15:01] I found it really easy to put together a presentation in keynote, when OOo (and ppt) seems like a hard slog [15:01] seb128: Nokia funded the original work, it ships in the Internet tablets today. [15:01] tedg: speaking about what? [15:01] seb128: I'm not sure if they're funding more work or not. [15:01] seb128: Telepathy. [15:02] I was speaking about tracker, the indexer thing [15:02] Heh, okay :) [15:02] Sorry. [15:02] Keybuk: Interesting, I'll have to convince my wife she needs a copy at academic discount so I can play with it :) [15:03] tedg: you can download a free trial [15:03] seb128: no idea about tracker, not been following it [15:03] it's another thing in my "want, but ewwww" bin [15:04] * Keybuk presses on, since we're over time [15:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReportingPage [15:04] please, please, everybody add things to that page today [15:04] I need to write the monthly report and team report, and have little content [15:04] The KDE tracker (I forget the name) seems to be developing well. [15:04] If it's all XESAM as the backend, it might be an option. [15:04] strigi [15:04] otherwise is there any other business? [15:05] Keybuk: should we add the major bits of the last month to that reports page? [15:05] I wanted to discuss g-s-t replacement, but that can happen on the ML, too [15:05] Riddell: How "QT" is it? Can you just install the indexer/backend? [15:05] tedg: the backend isn't Qt at all [15:05] I sent a report last week, but got no response so far [15:05] pitti: the users tool is the only missing bit, right? [15:05] mvo: exactly [15:05] pitti: you seemed to be not very happy with the system-config-users you reviewed [15:06] not with the authorization, no [15:06] pitti: oh, there was some pending questions? I read the report, great one btw, and conclude that's not something we want to use [15:06] mvo: yes please [15:06] so if anyone knows an alternative, please tell us [15:06] seb128: not without some good chunk of upstream work, yes [15:07] Riddell: Hmm, I don't know that it's something for Intrepid, but perhaps we should discuss the idea of using strigi at UDS "J"? I'd solve the "I changed desktops and have to re-index my files" problem. [15:07] Jazzy Jaguar [15:08] (* note: invented in my head, and my history of guessing names is poor ) [15:08] Keybuk, sounds like a games-console :) [15:08] tedg: it would certainly be nice to have only one backend [15:09] the twelve cylinder release :) [15:09] ok [15:09] adjourned [15:09] Riddell, how much interaction (code-sharing) is likely to happen between tracker and strigi? [15:09] thanks all [15:09] Keybuk: thanks [15:09]