[00:06] <DaveKong> so I came to the conclusion that the way to make my network work on my laptop was to switch the cat5 cable for a cat5e I ordered one it arrived and guess what? it works!
[00:07] <DaveKong> why... I will never know
[00:10] <Zeeded> lol
[00:35] <Shaba1> how do I end a 'man' page in a terminal window?
[00:36] <zoredache> usually hit q
[00:36] <zoredache> press 'h' to get a list of the keyboard shortcuts'
[00:42] <proprietarysucks> where should I be putting the extracted files from a mouse theme, to have it show up on the list?
[00:48] <arf`> proprietarysucks: perhaps in "~/.icons/" or "/usr/share/icons/" ?
[00:53] <proprietarysucks> the mouse theme goes in the icons directory?
[01:04] <proprietarysucks> yes the answer is yes
[01:04] <proprietarysucks> weird but true
[01:04] <proprietarysucks> bbl
[01:05] <Shaba1> hey how does one how to stop nm-applet from starting and asking for a password every time
[01:10] <Zeeded> Shabal
[01:10] <Zeeded> (Almost positive) One of your Auto-Start app's needs a password.
[01:11] <Zeeded> So it prompts you for a passwoor
[01:11] <Zeeded> password*
[01:12] <Shaba1> I know its in etc/xdg/autostart
[01:14] <Zeeded> Then you would have to stop that app from auto-starting
[01:14] <Zeeded> Applications ---> Settings ---> Settings Manager ---> Autostarted Apps
[01:16] <Shaba1> yeah but then I have to enter my wep key every time
[01:16] <Shaba1> which is just as bad
[01:53] <Shaba1> what is the equivalent of synaptic package manager in xubuntu?
[01:53] <Shaba1> I need to add a repository
[01:54] <Shaba1> never mind found it
[02:57] <hawthoerne> how do i change my mouse cursor
[03:00] <TheSheep> hawthoerne: settings->setting manager->mouse
[03:00] <hawthoerne> thanks
[03:00] <hawthoerne> how do i install an xfce theme i got off the internet?
[03:01] <TheSheep> unpack it to .themes directory in your home directory (create it if it doesn't exist yet)
[03:02] <hawthoerne> thanks a lot
[03:49] <sponix> Latest nvidia drivers from Ubuntu Hardy Installed --> 6500SE onboard, movie playback isn't smooth, anything I can do to help ?
[04:29] <Xacarith> Shot in the dark here. Does any one have pidgin 2.4.2 running?
[04:35] <sponix> how about 2.4.1 ?
[04:35] <sponix> how about 2.4.1 ?
[04:42] <Xacarith> well icq stopped working and the message I got told me to update pidgin
[04:45] <PsynoKhi0> same
[04:45] <DrLame> Hai
[04:45] <pepe_> i need help on how to play a dvd movie plz
[04:45] <PsynoKhi0> since yesterday
[04:45] <DrLame> You guys are here for the xUbuntu for original xbox?
[04:46] <DrLame> =/
[04:47] <PsynoKhi0> pepe_: do you have VLC?
[04:47] <Xacarith> And heck if I can ever install stuff like other linux users...
[04:47] <pepe_> no
[04:48] <PsynoKhi0> try it
[04:48] <pepe_> allight
[04:49] <PsynoKhi0> this column of lighter pixels is starting to piss me off
[04:52] <PsynoKhi0> anyone else getting lighter pixels on the right hand side of their lcd screen?
[04:52] <zoredache> not I
[04:54] <cody-somerville> No... that seems like a hardware issue to me
[04:55] <DrLame> ... anyone know anything about Xubuntu ports for xbox?...
[05:00] <PsynoKhi0> cody-somerville: it's the very last column doing this, and only on the desktop... I have conky set up as an autostarted app, with own transparent window and there is a similar glitch as it fires up after logging in
[05:00] <riscky> silly question for all... anyone have a good resource for using scp? im trying to move a remote file from host a to host b keeping it all "in the cloud"... and my destination username keeps tripping up the source machine
[05:01] <DrLame> Why am I getting the silent treatment? o.O
[05:01] <cody-somerville> DrLame, You aren't getting the silent treatment
[05:01] <cody-somerville> :)
[05:02] <DrLame> lol, is it just that no one really knows what I'm talking about?
[05:04] <cody-somerville> Probably. I certainly don't know much about Xubuntu ports for xbox and I'm the project lead ;]
[05:04] <cody-somerville> However, a quick google search for "xubuntu xbox" returned this: http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/XUbuntu
[05:04] <DrLame> Yeah, I'm looking at that right now
[05:05] <DrLame> xubuntu.org doesn't mention anything about the live cd working on xbox tho
[05:08] <DrLame> The last version number I can find on xubuntu for xbox seems to be Breezy Badger 5.10....
[05:11] <DrLame> Were you able to go to terminal and do "sudo apt-get install wine" in 5.10?
[05:15] <DrLame> oooOOOooo
[05:15] <DrLame> This is Xubuntu, isn't it? I think what I'm looking for is xUbuntu....
[05:15] <DrLame> which seems strange to me that they're different things
[05:19] <PsynoKhi0> hmm the lighter pixels actually affect the wallpaper only as far as I can see... weird
[05:23] <PsynoKhi0> guess the pic was messed up and I never noticed
[05:33] <Barbanegra> whats up
[05:33] <Barbanegra> i have a lot of problems with my borwsere
[05:33] <Barbanegra> browser
[05:58] <Claw6> how to browse windows networks with xubuntu ?
[06:03] <Claw6> how to browse windows networks with xubuntu ?
[06:05] <zoredache> fusesmb seems to be the most popular tool
[06:05] <zoredache> Claw6: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb
[06:16] <Claw6> seems not working
[06:16] <Claw6> when using pyneighborhood im getting error : unable to mount
[06:33] <deadlysniper712> could I get some help or advice
[06:36] <siggjen> probably not unless you state what you need help or advice for
[06:36] <Claw6> well ive done my problem :)
[06:36] <Claw6> thx anyway
[06:36] <Claw6> works now with pyNBH
[06:37] <siggjen> (:
[06:41] <deadlysniper712> well I am running xubuntu since ubuntu is to tough on my system
[06:41] <deadlysniper712> I just need help getting my ATI drives to work properly
[06:44] <dsmith_> deadlysniper712: envy
[06:47] <deadlysniper712> so I guess i cant get help from here
[06:50] <owen1> shutting down my vaio's lid keeps it on instead of hibernate (usually). any ideas?
[06:51] <dsmith_> deadlysniper712: ?
[06:51] <dsmith_> you asked about help with ATI drivers..
[06:51] <dsmith_> and I gave you a package name 'envy'
[06:51] <dsmith_> !envy
[06:51] <dsmith_> !envyng
[06:52] <dsmith_> !envyng-gtk
[06:52] <dsmith_> hmmm
[06:52] <dsmith_> envy handles your video drivers for you
[06:52] <dsmith_> I have had great work with it
[06:53] <deadlysniper712> so use synaptic to get it
[06:53] <deadlysniper712> !envy
[06:53] <dsmith_> yea
[06:53] <dsmith_> its in the repos
[06:53] <deadlysniper712> ok
[06:53] <dsmith_> what ait card or chipset are you using/
[06:53] <dsmith_> *ati
[06:54] <deadlysniper712> idk
[06:54] <deadlysniper712> intel
[06:54] <deadlysniper712> i have a Radeon 9000 FireGL
[06:55] <dsmith_> envy should work on that
[06:55] <deadlysniper712> GUI based ALSA utilities for specific hardware
[06:55] <deadlysniper712> A collection of GUI based ALSA utilities for specific sound hardware:
[06:55] <deadlysniper712>  echomixer - control tool for Echoaudio soundcards
[06:55] <deadlysniper712>  envy24control - control tool for Envy24 (ice1712) based soundcards
[06:55] <deadlysniper712>  hdspconf - GUI program to control the Hammerfall HDSP Alsa Settings.
[06:55] <deadlysniper712>  hdspmixer - tool to control the advanced routing features of the
[06:56] <deadlysniper712>              RME Hammerfall DSP.
[06:56] <deadlysniper712>  rmedigicontrol - control tool for RME Digi32 and RME Digi96 soundcards
[06:56] <deadlysniper712> this what I got
[06:56] <deadlysniper712> alsa tools gui
[07:01] <batcoder-7> hmm
[07:01] <batcoder-7> i wonder if i should use xubuntu
[07:01] <batcoder-7> how much ram does it need anyone here know ?
[07:02] <Claw6> i have 512
[07:03] <batcoder-7> yes ia m just ucrious how much kernel +x+xfce uses here ?
[07:04] <Claw6> well why should you waste ram ?
[07:04] <dsmith_> deadlysniper712: ??
[07:04] <dsmith_> xubuntu is nice on very low end machines
[07:05] <dsmith_> xubuntu will install on 128MB??
[07:05] <batcoder-7> i was just looking for a estimate or or number of how much ram it uses
[07:05] <batcoder-7> i mean how much more does it use then fluxbox ?
[07:06] <dsmith_> not sure
[07:06] <dsmith_> i dont care for flux
[07:07] <dsmith_> but thats me
[07:07] <batcoder-7> gmmm
[07:08] <batcoder-7> does ubuntu have stuff to do wifi tc more easily ?
[07:08] <batcoder-7> i spent so much time setting up a debian with wifi now take to mind it was a very difficult wifi card to setup but damn
[07:14] <owen1> dsmith: try debian, or use xubuntu alternate cd to get lean xubuntu.
[08:17] <owen1> dsmith: try debian, or use xubuntu alternate cd to get lean xubuntu.
[08:17] <owen1> shutting down my vaio's lid keeps it on instead of hibernate (usually). any ideas?
[10:04] <n3urogod> hey all...I have somehow lost my xubuntu menu in the top left...can anyone give me a tip on adding it back in? I have tried adding the xfce menu, which both isn't the right one and doesn't work anyways....
[10:07] <n3urogod> woah!!! please people, one at a time....
[10:07] <n3urogod> :P
[10:54] <n3urogod> wtf...i just upgraded from gutsy to hardy and in the process it has installed gnome instead of xfce?????
[14:19] <darcy> what do I do when my Add/Remove Applications seems to freeze and take forever to install a program. I left it overnight and had to shut down the computer just to close it out. Now, it is still doing it.
[14:35] <shane__> anyone have any idea why add remove would freeze or apear so,mabey could it be internet slow
[17:15] <gynterk> How to set Catalyst Control Center display order
[17:15] <TheSheep> gynterk: what's that?
[17:16] <gynterk> nevermind
[17:20] <gaurdro> I don't know,  have you tried searching Ati's website?
[18:15] <houbysoft> hi. I've got a question : is the new pidgin in the depositories?? because I have pidgin 2.2.1, and when I check for updates, or if I do "sudo apt-get install pidgin" it tells me that I have the latest version...
[18:18] <zoredache> accourding to (http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/pidgin) you should be seeing 2.4.1 for hardy
[18:32] <houbysoft> ah. I've got gutsy... so I can't have the new pidgin before I upgrade to hardy?
[18:33] <zoredache> it is linux...  You can have anything, if you are willing to work hard to get it.  But if are asking if you can get it easily from repository then answer is probably no
[18:34] <zoredache> it you know how to build things from source you could get the hardy source package and backport it to gutsy...  It is probably to a simple process though
[18:34] <houbysoft> ok I'll try
[18:34] <zoredache> is there some reason why you aren't going to hardy?
[18:35] <houbysoft> got an old computer and the update could take 3 years
[18:35] <zoredache> it seems likely that the update will a lot easier then trying to backport
[18:37] <houbysoft> maybe.. I'm downloading the source to pidgin 2.4.1, so I'll try to compile it, then I'll update maybe...
[18:38] <houbysoft> but you know now the tar.gz is downloading at 60 KB/sec... I imagine that the update is big...
[18:38] <zoredache> so start it in the evening and let it run over night
[18:39] <houbysoft> my parents won't permit to leave the computer on all night :P
[18:39] <zoredache> yes, it probably will be about 300-500mb
[18:39] <houbysoft> huh
[18:39] <zoredache> the size of the gutsy->hardy update
[19:55] <BuLLen-> is it possible to boot xubuntu from a floppy and then like a liveCD?
[19:56] <houbysoft> floppy?
[19:57] <houbysoft> how you want to fit 700 MB on a floppy?
[19:57] <zoredache> what do you mean precisly when you say 'like a livecd'?
[19:57] <houbysoft> ah w8 maybe I understand now, you want to boot from a floppy and then the floppy to boot the CD?
[19:58] <BuLLen-> like you do whit the live CD
[19:58] <BuLLen-> yeah, I cant boot from USB or CD. So the only way is floppy
[19:58] <houbysoft> I think there are some floppies that can do this, maybe try to google it
[19:59] <BuLLen-> Okay
[19:59] <zoredache> I believe it is possible, but it probably isn't easy, or something that is standard
[19:59] <BuLLen-> And it says that I need 1,5 GB free space on HDD. Can I use a USB to install it to?
[20:00] <zoredache> BuLLen-: if you can't boot from a USB then installing to a USB doesn't seem like it will do much for you
[20:00] <zoredache> but yes, it is possible to install to a usb connected drive
[20:00] <BuLLen-> Okay
[20:01] <houbysoft> maybe this will help you, found it on google : http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=50344
[20:01] <zoredache> !install | BuLLen-
[20:02] <arf`> BuLLen-: smart boot manager can do what you want
[20:02] <zoredache> check out those for some ideas
[20:02] <arf`> BuLLen-: ie boot on floppy, and from here boot on a liveCD
[20:02] <BuLLen-> Okay
[20:02] <arf`> BuLLen-: smart boot manager (smb) can be found easily on the web
[20:03] <arf`> BuLLen-: sbm
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[20:58] <Zeeded> Script Kiddies lawl
[20:58] <Zeeded> I lol'd
[20:58] <Genelyk> -.-
[20:59] <EhPrettyEasy> rofl
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[20:59] <Zeeded> It's funny to see Script Kiddies try and fail...fail badly
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[21:00] <Zeeded> (n=dgjhgd56@80-192-252-44.cable.ubr06.pres.blueyonder.co.uk)
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[21:01] <Zeeded> I lol'd again
[21:01] <EhPrettyEasy> Why so?
[21:05] <Zeeded> Because Scrippt Kiddies come in here and try to down the channel
[21:05] <Zeeded> and they fail
[21:05] <Zeeded> and its kinda funny
[21:11] <cody-somerville> interesting.
[21:12] <TheSheep> we know it sucks ;)
[21:13] <cody-somerville> :O
[21:19] <Zeeded> lol
[22:08] <deadlysniper712> could I get some help
[22:09] <cody-somerville> Ask your question
[22:09] <cody-somerville> :)
[22:09] <deadlysniper712> I am pretty sure that I have download compiz and I cant find it anywhere
[22:10] <deadlysniper712> on my system
[22:10] <TheSheep> !compiz
[22:11] <deadlysniper712> thank you
[22:23] <wrtpeeps> did anyones menu icons change in the update?
[22:29] <cody-somerville> wrtpeeps, which update?
[22:29] <TheSheep> wrtpeeps: which icon theme?
[22:29] <TheSheep> Ibelieve the Tangerine icon theme, that used to inherit from Tango, now inherits from gnome only, so the icons are different (and completely unfitting, if you ask me)
[22:30] <TheSheep> it's easy to fix though
[22:32] <yemrot> if someone has a minuet...
[22:32] <TheSheep> !ask
[22:33] <wrtpeeps> TheSheep: the default one
[22:33] <yemrot> I have in the /media folder, several folders from umnounts gone bad. How do I remove these dead folders as I can't seem to get rid of them.
[22:33] <TheSheep> wrtpeeps: 42
[22:34] <wrtpeeps> these look like gnome icons in my menu
[22:34] <TheSheep> yemrot: you can start thunar as root and delete them, but they don't do any harm
[22:34] <wrtpeeps> like, I have a red/white "ring" for the help thing
[22:34] <TheSheep> wrtpeeps: and joystick for games?
[22:35] <wrtpeeps> yup
[22:35] <wrtpeeps> its the tango theme apparently
[22:35] <TheSheep> that's gnome icon theme
[22:35] <wrtpeeps> and these new icons look god awful
[22:35] <wrtpeeps> settings>user interface>icon theme says i have Tango enabled
[22:36] <deadlysniper712> I need help with getting compiz installed and then finding it on my system
[22:36] <TheSheep> wrtpeeps: http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ <-- these?
[22:36] <wrtpeeps> thats the ones
[22:37] <TheSheep> they don't look that bad :/
[22:37] <TheSheep> make sure you have tango-icon-theme installed
[22:37] <TheSheep> and possibly tango-icon-theme-extras
[22:37] <Proweler> Hey, I just installed xubuntu from an alternate live cd and mounted my second hard-drive!
[22:37] <wrtpeeps> wonder why it changed
[22:38] <Proweler> Just got one qeustion left, how the hell do I get out of the x-windows and activate the command prompt?
[22:38] <TheSheep> wrtpeeps: Oxygen is uglier ;)
[22:38] <TheSheep> Proweler: alt+ctrl+f1
[22:38] <Proweler> doh! Cheers.
[22:38] <wrtpeeps> :)
[22:38] <TheSheep> Proweler: and go back with alt+ctrl+f7
[22:38] <wrtpeeps> i'll get used to them
[22:38] <TheSheep> wrtpeeps: it should use the tango ones, if it doesn't it's a bug
[22:39] <wrtpeeps> the menu icons arent changing
[22:39] <wrtpeeps> no matter what set i choose
[22:39] <wrtpeeps> :/
[22:39] <yemrot> TheSheep: Thanks that worked. This root thing you speak of, seems pretty powerful, I wonder if it will catch on. Thanks again.
[22:39] <wrtpeeps> oh they did
[22:39] <wrtpeeps> right click menu did
[22:39] <wrtpeeps> the menu on the bar didnt
[22:40] <wrtpeeps> must have to restart the bars or something for that
[22:40] <TheSheep> no idea
[22:42] <yemrot> ;-)
[22:58] <edvard> hey
[22:58] <j1mc> hi edvard
[23:16] <edvard> hey j1mc
[23:16] <edvard> kinda quiet here
[23:17] <edvard> i heard about the change in leadership with the xubuntu clan and decided to drop in
[23:17] <edvard> say congrats to cody, etc.
[23:18] <edvard> maybe pitch in 2 cents
[23:18] <edvard> the usual
[23:25] <edvard> if I were to make a wish list...
[23:26] <edvard> go back to xscreensaver instead of gnome-screensaver
[23:26] <edvard> (works better)
[23:26] <edvard> go back to gxine or xfmedia
[23:27] <edvard> Totem annoyed me from the beginning
[23:27] <edvard> make mouse cursor changing actually work
[23:28] <edvard> that kind of thing
[23:31] <TheSheep> edvard: out of curiosity, what's exactly wrong with the apps you mentioned?
[23:32] <edvard> gnome-screensaver, besides carrying gnome baggage, doesn't allow the control that xscreensaver does
[23:32] <edvard> (remember, these are just my opinions, grain of salt not included...)
[23:32] <TheSheep> edvard: what control do you need exactly?
[23:33] <edvard> i can't remember at the moment
[23:33] <TheSheep> that's kind of fuzzy
[23:33] <edvard> but gnome screensaver just lets you pick a screensaver and that's it
[23:33] <edvard> xscreensaver has a lot more options
[23:33] <TheSheep> more != better
[23:33] <TheSheep> otherwise we would use kde
[23:33] <edvard> true
[23:33] <edvard> ugh
[23:34] <edvard> but it allows some configurability that I found useful while remaining slim
[23:34] <TheSheep> edvard: be sure to mention it when you remember
[23:35] <TheSheep> edvard: gnome screensaver might also have it, just hidden, or it might be provided by the power manager or osme other part
[23:35] <edvard> on Xubuntu 7.10 I couldn't get screensavers to even work until I installed xscreensaver and removed the gnome
[23:35] <edvard> nope, xscreensaver is not there
[23:35] <edvard> period
[23:35] <edvard> yah my memory is tricky sometimes :)
[23:35] <TheSheep> what about totem?
[23:36] <edvard> I guess i should spare some bile on totem... it's not all that bad
[23:36] <edvard> but I always found it weird to play music with a "movie player"
[23:36] <TheSheep> for me the most annoying thing is that I cannot manually load subtitles from a file
[23:37] <edvard> and the lack of a "stop" button may be a great exercise in frugality, but i find it distracting
[23:37] <edvard> mm
[23:37] <TheSheep> and that's about all, it even recently played movies (badly encoded, I admit) that mplayer couldn't handle
[23:37] <edvard> wow
[23:37] <edvard> nice
[23:37] <TheSheep> some hdtv
[23:38] <edvard> maybe i'll just install a nice "media player" to keep the categories psychologically separated
[23:39] <edvard> still, as a default, it's a little misleading calling it a "movie player" when folks would be hunting down a music player
[23:39] <edvard> and about mouse theme changing...
[23:39] <TheSheep> doesn't xubuntu come with a separate music player? can't remember...
[23:39] <edvard> nope, just totem
[23:40] <edvard> 8.04, that is
[23:40] <edvard> the previous versions used gxine
[23:40] <edvard> which i found to be ok for general use
[23:40] <TheSheep> well, ubuntu comes with Rhythmbox, so it's really just "movie player" for them, and it's the same package...
[23:40] <edvard> mm
[23:41] <TheSheep> I only have bad experiences with gxine, both stability-wise and in terms of how broken things it could handle
[23:41] <edvard> Rhythmbox = Totem?
[23:41] <TheSheep> I guess you could have two separate .desktop items, and use "onlyshowin"
[23:41] <TheSheep> edvard: no, rhythmbox is itunes-like music player and manager
[23:42] <edvard> hm. or "musicplayer.desktop" and "movieplayer.desktop"
[23:42] <edvard> oh
[23:42] <edvard> you said it was the same package
[23:42] <TheSheep> no
[23:43] <TheSheep> I just meant that renaming totem to 'media player' in menu would also affect ubuntu and wouldn't make sense for them
[23:43] <edvard> oh, right
[23:43] <edvard> ok
[23:43] <edvard> i was talking about Xubuntu.
[23:43] <edvard> since I heard Cody was taking suggestions
[23:44] <edvard> thought I'd hash them through a few folks before I fired off an email
[23:44] <TheSheep> it's the same package, so...
[23:44] <edvard> right
[23:44] <TheSheep> but you could add a separate menu entry that would only show in xubuntu, and make the ubuntu menu entry not show...
[23:44] <TheSheep> I guess
[23:45] <edvard> or just put the extra one in the xubuntu distro only
[23:45] <TheSheep> it's kinda funny, because the menu system for new xfce is not even written yet...
[23:45] <edvard> ?
[23:45] <TheSheep> adthat would require a separate package
[23:45] <edvard> xfce is getting a new menu?
[23:45] <TheSheep> edvard: yes, with sane menu editor and drag and drop and stuff
[23:45] <edvard> oh
[23:45] <edvard> wow
[23:45] <TheSheep> just nobody started with it yet ;)
[23:46] <edvard> i thought the old menu was alright, but hey on to the future, right?
[23:46] <edvard> ever tried to change mouse cursors on xubuntu?
[23:46] <TheSheep> edvard: also, desktop will use thunar, so you will have single click and rubberband selection, etc.
[23:46] <edvard> right
[23:46] <edvard> thunar is good
[23:47] <edvard> could do with an extra file view though, like a two-pane file manager with tree view on the side.
[23:48] <edvard> ubuntu handles cursor changes beautifully
[23:48] <TheSheep> xubuntu requires logging out
[23:48] <edvard> even that doesn't change it totally though
[23:48] <TheSheep> oh?
[23:48] <TheSheep> works for me
[23:48] <edvard> yeah
[23:48] <edvard> weird
[23:49] <TheSheep> edvard: do you have the number of bug report for this?
[23:49]  * edvard slaps forehead
[23:49] <yemrot> ouch
[23:49] <edvard> i never thought to dig up a bug report!
[23:49] <TheSheep> that's generally the first step when reporting problems...
[23:50] <TheSheep> it even sometimes contains workarounds or explanations
[23:50] <edvard> see, /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme which is a symlink to your actual theme file
[23:50] <yemrot> has anyone used the newer iPod shuffle with gtkpod it doesn't seem to have the correct model listed for the 2 gigs or should I just bypass the initialize the ipod with gtkpod
[23:51] <edvard> somewhere in that chain, xfce makes the changes, but not all components pay attention
[23:51] <edvard> I had different cursors depending on when I was hovering synaptic, thunar, or firefox
[23:52] <TheSheep> edvard: you will always have different cursor for synaptic
[23:52] <TheSheep> edvard: it's run by different user
[23:52] <edvard> really?
[23:52] <edvard> oh. that's the problem
[23:52] <edvard> ok
[23:52] <edvard> my current them is in ~/.icons
[23:52] <TheSheep> you also have different gtk and icon themes for it
[23:52] <edvard> which makes it non-global, right?
[23:53] <TheSheep> yeah
[23:53] <edvard> got it
[23:53] <TheSheep> not sure about firefox though
[23:53] <edvard> fixed that.
[23:53] <edvard> apparently the mozilla code asks for a x-cursor hash instead of the cursor name
[23:54] <edvard> so you make a symlink that points to the name of the cursor instead
[23:54] <edvard> old mozilla cursor trick. almost every cursor theme has it.
[23:55] <TheSheep> if you described it in the bug report, it could be used in new xubuntu maybe
[23:55] <TheSheep> developers generally don't have time to chat on IRC
[23:55] <edvard> naw, that's a cursor theme bug, not a xubuntu bug
[23:56] <edvard> right, like i said i just wanted to chew the fat on some ideas before i sent an email to Cody
[23:56] <edvard> ... and a trip through the bug reports would be a good idea too
[23:56] <edvard> ;)
[23:56] <TheSheep> yeah, generally, pointing to reported problems with apps makes your rants much more professional
[23:57] <edvard> :D
[23:57] <edvard> oh was i ranting?
[23:57] <edvard> apologies all around...
[23:57] <TheSheep> I was speaking in general terms
[23:57] <edvard> ok
[23:59] <TheSheep> I remember one discussion about a reason to use xscreensaver instead of gnome-screensaver, and it turned out that the problem wasn't even reported, and was fixed very soon after the report
[23:59] <edvard> so i'm thinking installing the cursors to /usr/share/icons and chowning it to root would do the trick for synaptic eh? (and gdm too, as I recall)
[23:59] <edvard> yeah my screensaver function was broken in 7.10
[23:59] <TheSheep> edvard: yes