/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/04/#kubuntu-devel.txt

Xand3rthe 4 in mailody4 is for the kde version? so i can leav it out or?00:00
RiddellXand3r: yes i think so00:00
Xand3rok00:00
RiddellI don't think there's much need to keep the kde 3 version around00:00
Xand3rok00:01
RiddellXand3r: still a problem with http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde400:04
Xand3r??00:04
Xand3rgna00:04
Xand3rok00:04
Xand3rRiddell: i do it tomorrow00:10
Xand3ri am so tired00:10
Xand3rsorry00:11
Xand3rapachelogger: we see us00:11
apacheloggercya00:11
Xand3rgn8 my friends00:11
stdinRiddell, apachelogger: the error is:00:16
stdinCMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:53 (MESSAGE):00:16
stdin  Could not find REQUIRED package Kdepim00:16
apacheloggerI say it is a typo in the -crypto00:16
apacheloggerchange find_package to KdePim and it will work00:17
apacheloggermeh00:18
* apachelogger has to recreate the kdepim debdiff :S00:18
Riddellit could be a typo in kdepim, it's not like anything else uses its libraries yet, but I'd still much rather have upstream apply that patch first00:21
apachelogger+100:22
apacheloggerRiddell: well, stdin can patch it for now in -crypto00:22
apacheloggerRiddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdepim_4.0.83-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.debdiff00:23
stdinapachelogger: when I change it to KdePim I get this "find_package could not find module FindKdePim.cmake or a configuration file  for package KdePim."00:24
stdinso I don't think it's -crypto00:24
apacheloggerhm00:25
apacheloggerhum00:26
apacheloggerstdin: ok, don't listen to me00:26
apacheloggerit's too hot and too late for me to properly investigate on this00:26
JontheEchidnazomg, moving applets in the panel just got committed to svn00:57
vorian:)00:58
JontheEchidnaIf only I was using kde from source...00:59
* yuriy impatiently waits for neon updates00:59
JontheEchidna^++00:59
JontheEchidnaLooks like it works by: Open panel config ruler-box-bar-thingy -> Use good old drag and drop01:01
JontheEchidnaOooh shiny++ http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Salute_to_an_icon01:05
vorianJontheEchidna: i had to watch that video a few times before i "saw"01:12
vorianvery nice01:12
JontheEchidnafwiw I had to watch it twice01:13
JontheEchidnaI guess it just felt so natural I didn't notice anything01:13
JontheEchidna;)01:13
vorianhmph02:31
EagleScreenhello03:44
EagleScreeni am trying to port gdebi to Debian :D03:44
EagleScreengdebi-kde fails in Debian03:44
EagleScreeni run: from kparts import konsolePart,TerminalInterface in python and i obtain http://paste.ubuntu.com/24878/03:46
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ScottKEagleScreen: The konsolepart has been removed from python-kde304:19
ScottKIt really needs to be ported to KDE4 at this point.04:19
EagleScreenScottK now i understand04:20
EagleScreen3.6.16.1 does not have konsolepart isnt?04:21
EagleScreenbut is it in 3.6.16.0?04:22
ScottKIIRC, yes.04:24
ScottKI don't think Debian ever supported it in any case.04:24
EagleScreenmay be when gdebi is ported to KDE4??04:26
papabeanLet's say I was an almost-complete n00b and wanted to get involved with making Kubuntu better.  How/where would I get started?07:15
papabeanJucato: So, how can I help Kubuntu or KDE 4?07:37
Jucatohttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu and there's a link to the ToDo page in the channel topic07:39
papabeanI saw the ToDo list but had difficulty making sense of what needed to be done.'07:40
papabeanFor example, merging.07:40
Jucatohttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu07:40
Jucatoah those fall under packaging07:40
papabeanSimply states: Replace KDE 3 packages with KDE 407:40
Jucatobasically pick an area that interests you or where you think you can contribute, and focus on that until you get more familiar with the environment07:41
papabeanAhhh..thank you.  That's a wonderful link.  Off I go to read.  :)07:41
Jucatoareas of contribution range from packaging, to coding, to documentation, to user support, to artwork, to bug triaging and bug fixing07:41
Jucatoyou might want to ask again in a few hours, when the channel is most active07:42
papabeanThis is good for the moment and I will definitely ask again.  Thank you.07:43
papabeanI love Ubuntu for the exposure it's brought to Linux.  I love Kubuntu for the KDE bent.07:44
Riddellhi papabean07:45
Jucatooh there. Riddell's alive. you can poke him :)07:45
papabean:)07:46
papabeanHi, Riddell.  I was present last week (?) when the Kubuntu Tutorial day was going on, but missed most of it and had to read logs.07:46
papabeanI am very interested in contributing to Kubuntu, but unsure of how to get started.07:47
papabeanI am comfortable with Linux, mediocre with Python and unafraid to learn.07:47
Jucatoah python! then you're in the right place ;)07:48
papabeanIsn't Ubuntu very Python-centric?07:51
papabeanBut KDE not so much?  (Or is that my limited understanding of the situation?)07:51
Riddellthat's about right07:57
Riddellbut we're changing it, 4.1 comes with a couple of python apps because of us07:57
papabeanThat's good news.07:57
Riddellpapabean: well if you want a small task, how about porting language-selector from pyqt 4 to pykde 407:59
papabeanRiddell: Ok. I'd love to.07:59
\shpython will rock kde, too :)07:59
\shkde + python RADing is so much fun...08:00
papabeanRiddell: Where do I start?08:00
Riddellpapabean: use bzr to checkout from https://code.edge.launchpad.net/language-selector08:00
Riddellmake sure it runs08:01
Riddellthen change QApplication to KApplication and the various bits a KApplication needs (KAboutData)08:01
Riddellapt-get source python-kde4 for some examples08:01
papabeanOk.  Checking out that code now.08:02
papabeanOne question:  I'm currently running KDE 3.5.9.  To properly assist, should I upgrade to KDE 4.1 beta 2 and what's the best path?  Install the -kde4 packages?08:03
Riddellpapabean: yeah08:03
Riddelland python-kde4 of course08:03
papabeanOk.  I'll take care of that right now.08:04
papabeanThanks, Riddell.  The upgrade to 4.1 beta is going to keep my system busy for a bit.08:14
papabeanThe checkout from bzr completed without a hitch.08:14
papabeanWill make sure it runs after the upgrade's complete.08:14
papabeanOk.  The updates are finally complete and boy, does 4.1 still seem like it needs some work.  :)09:46
papabeanBut for language-selector, should I now go through the normal setup.py process?09:47
papabeanS´ok for me.  My /usr/local is a separate partition and can be unmounted to go back to distribution-only applications.09:47
Riddellpapabean: it should run in place09:50
papabeanRiddell: You're referring to qt-language-selector?09:51
Riddellyes09:51
papabeanGot it.  Needs sudo, but it does.09:52
papabeanSo, now the task is to make it KDE-specific and not simply QT-specific, correct?09:52
Riddellyep09:53
Riddellbottom of LanguageSelector/qt/QtLanguageSelector.py would be the place to do it09:53
papabeanOk.  Heading to that snippet now.09:53
papabeanAlong those lines, should the "from PyQt" lines read "from PyKDE4" instead?09:55
Riddellthe equivalent yes09:56
papabeanOk.09:57
Riddellas I say examples in python-kde4 source that you can steal the templates from09:57
papabeanWasn't able to apt-get source python-kde4.  Got this error: Unable to find a source package for kde4bindings09:58
Riddelladd deb-src lines to /etc/apt/sources.list09:58
papabeanOf course.09:59
papabeanThank you.09:59
jussi01Riddell: whats the official line on kde4 and intrepid - default? (I want to make a factoid)10:15
Riddelljussi01: yes10:16
Riddellalready is10:16
Riddellintrepid is intended to be the big scary release10:16
jussi01Riddell: is there a wiki page with this info?10:16
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs10:17
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion10:17
jussi01Riddell: thank you very much10:17
papabeanRiddell: Added lines to import from PyKDE4.kdecore and PyKDE4.kdeui and changed QApplication at the bottom to KApplication.10:24
papabeanRiddell: Is there more?10:25
jussi01!intrepid-#kubuntu | Riddell10:25
ubottuRiddell: Alpha Software: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for K/ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - #ubuntu+1 for discussion. Kubuntu Intrepid will have KDE 4 as the default DE - see  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion | Warning lots of breaking software between now and October!10:25
papabeanRiddell: Ignore last question.  Just found the Class reference at riverbank software.10:27
papabeanWill attempt to convert as much as possible to use PyKDE4.10:27
Riddellpapabean: does it run?10:27
papabeanYes.10:27
Riddellpapabean: did you add a KAboutData?10:27
Riddelljussi01: reads fine10:27
papabeanRiddell: No.  Should I add as per documentation?10:28
Riddellpapabean: yes please10:29
papabeanRiddell: Added.  Unsure about the following, however:  copyright, version and bugEmail.  homePage set to "www.kubuntu.org"10:35
Riddellcopyright Canonical Ltd10:35
Riddellversion 0.3.410:35
RiddellbugEmail leave blank ""10:36
Riddellit also needs KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData)10:36
papabeanOk.  appName and programName are "Language Selector", correct?10:37
RiddellappName is internal, "language-selector" better10:38
Riddellhomepage can be https://launchpad.net/language-selector10:39
papabeanOk.10:39
papabeanDone.10:40
Riddelladded the KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData) line?10:41
papabeanYes.  Just above the app = KApplication(sys.argv) line.10:41
papabeanafter defining aboutData.10:42
papabeanWith the appropriate fields.10:42
Riddellgroovy10:42
Riddellif it works, push it to launchpad10:42
Riddellcommit first of course10:42
papabeanIt still runs.  How do I push to launchpad?10:43
papabeanbzr commit URL?10:44
papabeanbzr commit language-selector fails.10:44
Riddellbzr commit10:44
Riddellbzr push bzr+ssh://<lpuser>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~<lpuser>/language-selector/kdeport10:45
papabeanbzr commit fails with the following: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/language-selector/ubuntu/.bzr/repository/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()10:46
papabeanThat's when run in the language-selector directory.10:46
Riddelloh you did a checkout on http?10:48
Riddellbzr shouldn't let you do that10:48
Riddellin my opinion anyway10:48
papabeanlol.  It did.10:48
Riddelltry  bzr commit --local10:48
papabeanOk.  Vim opened with the name of the modified file.10:49
papabeanThat's my $EDITOR10:49
papabeanIs this for a changelog?10:49
Riddellyes10:50
Riddellfor the bzr log10:50
papabeanSo: Added aboutData.  Port from PyQt4 to PyKDE4?10:51
Riddellyep10:51
papabeanOk. Confirmation of commit.10:52
papabeanNow attempt the push?10:52
Riddellyes, assuming you have a launchpad account with a valid ssh key10:52
papabeanI don't think i have an ssh key setup.  Do have a launchpad account and gpg-key.10:53
* papabean is setting up an ssh key.10:55
* papabean is attempting the push.10:57
papabeanPush is underway.11:00
papabeanDone.11:01
* Riddell spots https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~papabean/language-selector/kdeport11:02
Riddellyay, works11:04
Riddellpapabean: groovy, merged in11:05
Riddellpapabean: ok, if you're up for more, those QIcons could do with changing to KIcons so it loads the KDE icons theme11:06
papabeanOn it.  :)11:06
Riddellwhich is something like  SmallIcon("icon-name")11:07
Riddellthe icon names have changed, you'll need to search through /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/oxygen for the kde 4 name11:07
papabeanSo, for example: Change line 39 to Kicon("preferences-desktop-locale.png")  ?11:11
papabeanIt currently has: QIcon("/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps/locale.png"))11:12
Riddellconvenicence functions are better11:12
RiddellSmallIcon() or BarIcon()11:12
Riddellor in that case probably DesktopIcon()11:14
Riddellcomes from http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKIconLoader.html11:14
papabeanOk, well that leads to an error about needing a KComponentData object.  Reading up on that now.11:17
Riddellpapabean: are you running it through qt-language-selector ?11:20
papabeanYes.  sudo ./qt-language selector --mode select11:22
Riddellpapabean: looks like qt-language-selector also needs ported to KApplication11:24
papabeanOk.11:24
papabeanWill it also need aboutData added to it?  Or is it sufficient in one location?11:25
Riddellyes11:27
Riddellshould be a copy and paste job11:27
papabeanWell, simply changing to KApplication was fail.11:27
papabeanTypeError.  Python doesn't like sys.argv being passed to KApplication in this case.11:28
Riddellthen don't :)11:29
papabeanTook that out.  And now I get the usage statement, but prior to that a warning that /var/tmp is owned by the wrong user.11:31
papabeanOk.  This is going to take a little more brain power.  Not passing sys.argv to KApplication causes the bit  where qt-language-selector checks for appropriate parameters to be ignored.11:32
papabeanHowever, it does correctly check for root privileges.11:34
papabeanDoes sys.argv get "eaten" somewhere?11:34
Riddellprobably needs KCommandLineArgs11:36
Riddellno, KCmdLineOptions11:36
papabeanOr KCmdLineArgs?11:37
papabeanAlready in there.  I'm gonna play a bit.11:37
Riddellsee towards the bottom of http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeutils/printer-applet/printer-applet.py?revision=827981&view=markup11:37
papabeanLooking at that.11:41
papabeanThanks.11:41
papabeanI'm not having the success you had with the printer-config-applet.11:52
papabeanAdded this line: options = KCmdLineOptions() and then print options.  Which yields a PyKDE4.kdecore object11:53
papabeanAdded the addCmdLines line and args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs()11:54
papabeanPrinting args yields nothing and passed args to qt-language-selector are ignored.11:54
papabeanWhat did I miss?11:54
papabeanIs it the options.add lines?  Do I need to add one that includes the "--mode" line?11:58
papabeanOk.  I retract all that.12:01
papabeanIf I run qt-language-selector with no options, options and args are both Python objects and usage is returned.12:02
papabeanOk. Turns out sys.argv get "eaten" the first time they're referenced by any function.12:05
papabeanIf I put a print sys.argv PRIOR to KCmdLineArgs.init12:05
papabeanI get a list with the command line options.12:06
papabeanDoes that mean I should put the options checks BEFORE the application even creates the KApplication?12:06
papabeans/the application/qt-language-selector/12:09
Riddell KCmdLineArgs.init should be before the KApplication is made12:09
papabeanIt is.12:10
papabeanIf I print sys.argv RIGHT after that, it's an empty list.12:11
Riddellso ignore sys.argv12:12
Riddelland use KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs() like printer-applet does12:12
papabeanTried that, too.  args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs().  Print args on next line: args = empty.12:13
papabeanIf you're stunned, you're not alone.12:13
papabeanKCmdLineArgs.init (sys.argv, aboutData)12:14
papabean    args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs()12:14
Riddellit needs the KApplication to be made between those I suspect12:14
papabeanOk.  Let me try that.12:14
papabeanWith this line:12:15
papabean    args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs()12:15
papabean    print args12:15
papabeanafter the creation of KApplication, args is still empty.12:15
Riddellwhat is printed out?12:16
papabeanNothing and I get the default: "Unknown option mode" - the command line is sudo ./qt-language-selector --mode select12:16
papabeanand then "Use --help to get a list of available command line options"12:17
papabeanIOW, the --mode option is being passed through to KE.12:17
papabeanKDE.12:17
Riddellpapabean: commit and push your changes and I'll take a look12:18
papabeanOk.12:18
papabeanDone.  Great timing.  I need to go get some sleep now.  ~4:30 am here.12:21
txwikingerIs there a  kde.mk file for kde4?12:38
apacheloggertxwikinger: kdepimlibs12:42
txwikingerinside the package?12:43
apacheloggeryes12:43
txwikingerah ok12:43
apacheloggerthe whole directory debian/cdbs needs to be included for kde4 packages12:43
txwikingerinstead of the kde.mk in the normal cdbs folder12:43
apacheloggertxwikinger: have a look at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skanlite12:44
txwikingerapachelogger: How do I create the CMakeLists.txt file?13:10
apacheloggerhm13:15
apacheloggertxwikinger: what are you working on?13:15
txwikingerkeep13:15
txwikingerjust messing around13:15
txwikingerI found a script13:15
txwikingerWell.. would be nice I figure it out somehow and we can use it13:17
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JontheEchidnaHmm, PyKDE4 isn't really all that different than PyQt4...13:28
JontheEchidnaAnybody know where the PyKDE4 docs are installed?13:45
apacheloggertxwikinger: depends on the script really ;-)13:57
apacheloggertxwikinger: cmake --help-html > cmake.html && konqueror cmake.html13:57
txwikingeram2cmake13:57
apacheloggerhum13:58
apacheloggertxwikinger: isn't that a KDE script?13:58
apacheloggeras in ... part of kdesdk13:58
Xand3rap how i can make from a deb an diff an orig.tar and and .dsc?13:58
txwikingeryes13:58
txwikingerdpkg-buildpackage13:58
apacheloggerXand3r: why would you do that?13:58
txwikingerfrom a .deb?13:58
apacheloggerthats what he said :P13:59
apacheloggertxwikinger: so what do you want to do with am2cmake?13:59
Xand3ri need the cdbs13:59
Xand3rof that package13:59
txwikingeryou can't ... the sources are not in there13:59
apacheloggerXand3r: ????13:59
txwikingerapachelogger: I already did13:59
apacheloggerah, fair enough13:59
txwikingerI created the CMakeLists files with it13:59
apacheloggerXand3r: I imagine you are really bad at telling stories because you never begin at the beginning :P14:00
txwikingerNow I have a problem that it doesn't find kde4-config14:00
apacheloggertxwikinger: change $PATH14:00
Xand3rapachelogger: no i am good in telling storys :p14:00
apacheloggeryah sure14:00
Xand3rbut i thought you know the beginning14:00
txwikingerapachelogger: Inside pbuilder?14:00
apacheloggerhm14:01
apacheloggerquoting cartman: "this is a bad pbuilder, BAD PBUILDER!!"14:01
Xand3ri need  the kde.mk and the cmake.mk vrom a kde4 app from intrepid14:01
apacheloggertxwikinger: did you include the magic cdbs dir?14:01
txwikingerinside debian? yes14:01
apacheloggeraye14:01
txwikingerthe one from the package you gave me14:02
apacheloggerXand3r: dood, that is like a really strange thing to say14:02
apacheloggertxwikinger: no goody good14:02
apacheloggertxwikinger: you build dep on kdelibs5-dev?14:02
txwikingeryes and kde4-devel14:02
Xand3rapachelogger: ?14:03
apacheloggerXand3r: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs14:03
apacheloggertxwikinger: I never heard of kde4-devel14:03
apachelogger!info kde4-devel intrepid14:03
ubottukde4-devel (source: meta-kde4): the K Desktop Environment version 4 development files and modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3 (intrepid), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB14:03
apacheloggerquoting cartman: "kick ass!"14:04
apacheloggertxwikinger: don't you think that is pulling in a bit too many deps?14:04
apacheloggers/deps/packages14:04
txwikingerwell since it did not fix my error, I will take it out again14:04
apacheloggeraye14:04
txwikingerI found it in one of the forums that it would fix my error, but it didn't14:04
apacheloggertxwikinger: it's an intrepid pbuilder, right?14:05
txwikingerNo hardy.. but I can try it on intrepid too14:05
apacheloggerwell14:05
apacheloggerthat cdbs _only_ works with intrepid14:05
txwikingerah14:05
txwikingerwhy is that14:05
apacheloggerfor hardy you would have to use the ones from hardy-bacports14:05
apacheloggertxwikinger: path change14:05
apacheloggerkde4 in intrepid is in /usr14:05
apacheloggerin hardy it's in /usr/lib/kde414:06
txwikingerah... that is why it doesn't find kde4-config?14:06
apacheloggeraye14:06
txwikingerah ok14:06
* apachelogger started packaging quassel 0.2.0 rc1 3 hours ago -.-14:06
apachelogger<-- busy14:06
txwikingerWell... you should be already finished for 2h29mins14:07
txwikingercreepy.. first need to do an intrepid update14:08
apacheloggertxwikinger: 2h56mins14:09
txwikinger4 mins for packaging ?14:09
apacheloggeraye14:09
txwikingerdo you have a Cray?14:09
txwikingerMy lappy does not even run pbuilder so fast14:09
apachelogger<-- scripting guy14:09
apacheloggertxwikinger: well, while pbuilder is unpacking you can easily finish the packaging :P14:10
apacheloggernah, quassel just needs an update + change of buildsystem14:10
Xand3rapachelogger: i need only the kde.mk or?14:13
vorianmorning14:14
Xand3rhi vorian14:14
vorianXand3r: you need 4 files in all14:14
apacheloggerXand3r: rethink that question :P14:14
apacheloggerwhy would we include 4 files but only need one? :P14:14
vorianhaha14:14
Xand3ryea in that package, but in mine?14:14
Xand3rso kde.mk in cludes the debhelper and cmake14:15
Xand3rwhy i need the other?14:15
txwikingerbecause they are called in kde.mk?14:16
Xand3rno14:16
Xand3ri can reread it but first time i dont found it14:16
Xand3rapachelogger: please talk to me14:18
apachelogger*talk*14:18
apacheloggerXand3r: what?14:18
Xand3rkde.mk sems not to includ one of the other files, so wy i need them?14:19
apacheloggerXand3r: technically said you don't need them14:19
apacheloggerbut you include them14:19
* apachelogger is feeling a bit dizzy14:20
apachelogger:S14:20
Xand3rok, that what i mean, i dont need them, ok i am not stupid14:21
Xand3rbut why i put them in the package14:21
Xand3r?14:21
apacheloggerXand3r: some things are better not to be known ;-)14:21
apacheloggerXand3r: most understandable reason: to know which cdbs dir that is14:22
apacheloggerthe dirs vor hardy and intrepid contain different files14:22
apacheloggervorian: can you write the support mail yourself?14:22
* apachelogger isn't very creative today :P14:22
apacheloggerand dizzy14:22
apacheloggerwoah14:22
* apachelogger needs something to drink14:22
vorianlol14:22
vorianapachelogger: it's too early to drink14:24
JontheEchidnaSo in regards to the todo list, what exactly needs to be done with the randr kcm module?14:24
JontheEchidnaTest it/ file bugs?14:24
JontheEchidnaHeh, it's not doing the crazy shite that it was doing in 4.0 anymore, that's good.14:26
vorianwhat crazy shite?14:27
JontheEchidnaCrash while attempting to change screen rez when you opened the module in systemsettings14:28
vorianah14:29
* txwikinger never knew that Scotland is so far away14:30
Riddelltxwikinger: we like to keep it separated from the riff raff :)14:32
txwikingerRiddell: I understand that very well14:32
* txwikinger wants to keep distance from the riff raff here too14:33
vorian:o14:33
txwikingerhence the idea to go to Scotland ;)14:33
txwikingervorian: here was not meant this channel, bu me geographical location :p14:34
txwikingerbut my14:34
vorianhaha14:34
apacheloggerwell14:34
Riddell5 hours on train to Embra14:34
apacheloggerwe could all go to scotland and keep distance from the riff raff :P14:35
txwikingermultimap says 5h 7mins by car to Glasgow14:35
Xand3rhey i have to go we see us later14:35
Xand3rc ya14:35
txwikingerc ya in Scotland :D14:35
vorianScotland is only but a hop, skip, and a jump away14:35
apacheloggerthere, Xand3r already leaves for scotland14:35
apacheloggercu Xand3r14:35
voriano/ safe journey Xand3r14:35
* txwikinger leaves to pick up son from school14:36
txwikingerlater folks14:36
* apachelogger waves to txwikinger14:37
apacheloggervorian: really, I can only write "kick ass"14:38
vorianapachelogger: whatever you feel is appropriate ^.^14:38
apacheloggerthat is not appropriate, which is the problem here :P14:38
vorianhmmm14:38
JontheEchidnaThe examples directory of the python-kde4-docs is empty D:14:48
Riddellexamples are in apt-get source python-kde4-docs14:49
JontheEchidnaThanks.14:50
JontheEchidnaHmm, it can't find a source package for python-kde4-docs14:51
JontheEchidnaNor kdebindings14:51
JontheEchidna*kde4bindings14:51
Riddellit's kde4bindings in intrepid14:51
* JontheEchidna needs to get around to reinstalling intrepid14:52
* vorian cracks the whip! install install!14:52
nixternalhappy 4th of july! \o/14:53
Riddellpapabean: you have no options.add(...) lines14:54
nixternalor happy independence day I guess...though it will be better when we can celebrate our independence from bush and oil :P14:54
RegEchsehi14:54
Riddellnixternal: any day now I'm sure14:54
Riddellhi RegEchse14:54
* JontheEchidna downloads intrepid iso14:55
nixternalhehe14:55
voriannixternal: you mean foreign oil, right? :)14:55
RegEchseDoes anybody know who is responsible for the bot "ubottu"?14:55
vorianRegEchse: see #ubuntu-ops14:55
JontheEchidnaOh hey, I can get the source from launchpad!14:55
nixternalvorian: I mean oil oil, except extra virgin olive and corn I guess :)14:55
vorianhaha14:55
JontheEchidnaBut now they're even using corn oil in oil oil!14:56
nixternalthat's good14:56
JontheEchidnaisos take forever to download over a 1.5 mbit connection...14:57
JontheEchidnaforever = 1 hour14:57
JontheEchidnaBetter than dialup though14:57
* apachelogger is wondering for another oil usecase than burning it15:02
* apachelogger is wondering about grammer as well15:02
JontheEchidnaplastic is another oil usecase15:13
apacheloggereventually that plastic gets burned as well, once it became useless15:14
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txwikingercute.. now it complains about the install target16:11
JontheEchidnaWhy is Qt designer segfaulting...16:32
Riddellmaybe it doesn't like the pykde plugins16:33
JontheEchidnaLooking at the console error logs, it looks like you're right.16:33
* apachelogger gets started with qtruby16:35
txwikingerapachelogger: that sounds like a virus16:37
DRebellionWould somebody mind reviewing my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=monkeystudio Thanks ;)16:38
apacheloggerit's a Qt IDE16:41
apacheloggertxwikinger: aye, one can't stop tha ruby16:41
* apachelogger just b0rked the amarok release script16:41
txwikingerthen unb0rk it again16:42
ScottKDRebellion: Is is a KDE package?16:47
apacheloggerScottK: [17:41:00] <apachelogger> it's a Qt IDE16:47
ScottKAh.16:47
ScottKOK.16:47
DRebellionScottK, yep16:47
ScottKOK.16:47
* txwikinger is looking forward to the independence party16:48
txwikingermaybe I should throw some tea bags into the canal :D16:48
DRebelliontxwikinger, don't - the ducks will get high on caffeine and stage a revolt16:49
txwikingerWell.. that would be a start :p16:49
DRebelliontxwikinger, towards what? -.-16:50
txwikingerRevolution :D16:50
DRebellionheh16:50
papabeanRiddell: Can I continue where I left off?   Or do I need to pull fresh code?17:53
Riddellpapabean: you can18:01
papabeanOk.  Going to add an options.add() line or two to the mix.18:02
Xand3rhey ho folks18:03
vorianhi Xand3r18:05
Xand3rhi vorian18:06
Xand3rhow can i check if automoc4 is broken or not?18:14
SSJ_GZRiddell: ping18:17
Riddellhi SSJ_GZ18:17
SSJ_GZRiddell: Hey :) I saw your blog, and wondered if I could abuse you as a clee replacement and get syndicated? :)18:17
ScottKsmarter and Riddell: Please see Bug #24533918:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 245339 in guidance-power-manager "[intrepid] package guidance-power-manager 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24533918:25
RiddellSSJ_GZ: name, KDE occupation and feed?18:26
SSJ_GZRiddell: Shall I forward you the e-mail I sent to clee?18:26
SSJ_GZRiddell: Actually, may as well just do it here :) Simon St James, currently just KDE4Daily but hopefully "upstream" development soon, and http://ssj-gz.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default18:27
RiddellSt James?18:31
RiddellWhat's the St  SSJ_GZ?18:31
SSJ_GZRiddell: Abbreviation of "Saint" :)18:32
Riddellgoodness18:33
SSJ_GZRiddell: Quite the reverse >:)18:33
Riddell[http://ssj-gz.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default]18:33
Riddellname = Simon St James (SSJ_GZ)18:33
Riddellthat right?18:33
SSJ_GZRiddell: Yep :)18:34
RiddellSSJ_GZ: pushed, should appear in half an hour or so18:34
SSJ_GZRiddell: Wow, that was quick and easy - many thanks :)18:34
papabeanRiddell: Have one options.add() line in there.  Does show up when --help is passed.  Now to figure out how to query the parameters that are passed with --mode.18:36
Riddellpapabean: the code in printer-applet shows the simple use18:37
papabeanRight.  For a boolean option (as I was able to glean from the KCmdLine docs)18:38
papabeanI haven't given up yet.  :)18:39
papabeanLooking at the KCmdLines docs, to specify options that take parameters the option should be followed by a \18:48
papabeani.e, "mode \"18:48
papabeanHowever, this is causing syntax errors, so I tried \\.  That just makes the option (according to --help), mode \18:49
papabeanAny ideas?  Or example code that may cover this?  You know what.  I'll do the legwork.18:49
papabeanOk.  I have to step out for a bit.  I will get back to this later.  Thanks for the inroad, Riddell.18:54
* Xand3r is building pbuilder hardy and intrepid with 45kb/s download18:54
yuriyhow is next tuesday for a kde3->4 hug day for people?18:57
JontheEchidnaGood for me19:00
Riddellpapabean: I think that \ is a c++ism19:00
smarterRiddell: \ works too in python19:03
jussi01yuriy: wfm :)19:11
yuriyJontheEchidna: if you're working on kde3 bugs in the next few days, please mark them off on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080708 if they're on that list19:15
JontheEchidnak19:15
yuriytxwikinger: i'm putting you in the email as one of the people to ask questions19:52
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* JontheEchidna has the first bit of a jockey pyqt4->pykde4 port20:12
JontheEchidnahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/25061/20:12
JontheEchidnaI was thinkin' about putting an "about" button on the opposite side of the "close" button to utilize our free about dialog that KDE provides, but Qt Designer segfaults on me20:15
JontheEchidna...and maybe we could give "Close" the close oxygen icon. :D20:15
yuriyJontheEchidna: isn't there a standard KDE dialog for that type of stuff?20:17
JontheEchidnawhat type of stuff?20:20
JontheEchidnaThe about dialog?20:21
JontheEchidnaThere is a standard KDE about dialog, but I need Qt designer to add a pushbutton so we can actually access it20:21
JontheEchidnaWEll, I technically don't *need* qt designer for that, but...20:22
yuriyJontheEchidna: I mean with a standard close/apply/ whatever button20:24
JontheEchidnaI guess we could transform jockey-kde into a dialog box instead of a main window.20:24
JontheEchidna...but I also need qt designer for that since the ui is set up with a ui file20:26
JontheEchidnaI could give Close an oxygen quit icon in the meantime. :D20:29
JontheEchidnaEr, well default to whatever icon theme you're using.20:30
JontheEchidnaWhich will be oxygen unless you're crazy. ;)20:30
JontheEchidnaSo how does one go about contributing code to ubuntu?20:34
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JontheEchidnaRiddell: How would I get involved in jockey-kde dev? (See above)21:01
* supert0nes wishes he could give spare cpu cycles to the building of nightly21:04
Xand3rapachelogger: how can i check if the automoc4 of the nightly build works or is broen?21:23
supert0nesthink it might be Xand3r?21:29
Xand3rhmm21:30
supert0nesits been a while since there was an update21:30
Xand3rhmm21:31
supert0nes15 days21:32
Xand3rthats i get if i whant to compile gtk-qt-engine for neon http://paste.ubuntu.com/25076/21:38
Xand3rsupert0nes: an idea?21:40
Xand3rapachelogger: pleas ping when you are there21:40
supert0nesi havent been able to get that working21:40
* apachelogger puts his most expensive dress on and pings21:41
supert0nesi use gtk-chtheme21:41
apacheloggerPING21:41
supert0nesit works21:41
apacheloggerPING21:41
apacheloggerPING21:41
apacheloggerPIGN21:41
apacheloggerah21:41
apacheloggerwtf21:41
supert0neshate to be bothersome but when is nightly base planning on churning out an update?21:42
Xand3rapachelogger: sorry if i annoy you but i thought you could help me21:43
Xand3rapachelogger i ask anothertime sorry21:43
JontheEchidnasupert0nes: Might want to ask in the amarok neon channel21:44
* apachelogger is drunk21:44
JontheEchidna^lol21:44
apacheloggerother than that I am askable21:44
Xand3rJontheEchidna: the only one i think who can helps with the nightly builds is apachelogger21:46
JontheEchidnaAh yeah, since he is the neon mastermind o teh universe21:47
apacheloggerthat is really the problem ... me being the only one having a clue :P21:47
JontheEchidnabtw, would you happen to know how to go about contributing code to jockey-kde?21:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: poke master mhb21:48
JontheEchidnamhb: I'm interested in doing a port of jockey-kde to pykde421:49
* JontheEchidna has this so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25061/21:51
Xand3rapachelogger: so you have a clue, what is the problem with my system and the gtk-qt-...21:52
* JontheEchidna brb's to exercise the dog21:53
apacheloggerwell21:53
apacheloggerautomoc4: process for /home/alexander/gtk-qt-engine/build/kcm_gtk/moc_searchpaths.cpp failed: Unknown error21:53
apacheloggerI can certainly say it again21:53
apacheloggerXand3r: gtk-qt doesn't support out-of-source builds!21:53
Xand3rit is the source from kde-look-org21:53
RiddellJontheEchidna: jockey code is at https://code.launchpad.net/jockey, branch the trunk and work on it21:55
RiddellJontheEchidna: a port to pykde4 would be a lovely start21:56
RiddellJontheEchidna: a good idea to talk to mhb if you have paticular plans21:56
* JontheEchidna is back22:03
JontheEchidnaOh, and any tips on how to get Qt designer back into a usable state?22:04
JontheEchidnaHmm, seems there already is a branch for pykde422:06
JontheEchidnaHeh, seems to be about what I did22:08
apacheloggeroh boy22:24
apacheloggerXand3r: read the readme22:24
apacheloggerdo exactly what it says22:24
txwikingeryuriy?22:26
Xand3rapachelogger: there is no redme22:28
Xand3r*readme22:28
apacheloggers/readme/install22:29
Xand3rapachelogger: ? running cmake.make, sudo make install? thats what i try22:33
Xand3rand dont work22:33
apacheloggerno22:33
apacheloggeryou don't run cmake .22:33
apacheloggeryou run cmake ..22:33
apacheloggeras you are in ./build/22:33
Xand3rno word about it in the onstall22:34
apacheloggerTo compile, run the following commands:22:36
apachelogger    cmake .22:36
apachelogger    make22:36
apachelogger    sudo make install22:36
apacheloggerI can see clearly now...22:37
supert0nesheh22:37
* apachelogger is wondering how to properly set a windowicon with rubyqt22:38
* supert0nes would probably see how qtdesigner would do it22:39
apacheloggerless fun22:39
supert0nesapachelogger:  any thought on those 15 day old nightly packages? i know i'm prodding a bit...22:40
apacheloggerhm22:40
apacheloggermaybe b0rked22:40
supert0nesthat sucks but it would make sense22:41
apacheloggercheckOut() started with component: kdesupport22:42
supert0nesthats way less fun than libs heh jk22:44
Xand3rapachelogger: cmake .. didnt find the automoc422:45
apacheloggermaybe there is no automoc in neon22:45
apacheloggerdpkg -S automoc22:45
apacheloggerd'oh22:46
apacheloggerwindow.setWindowIcon(Qt::Icon.new('../.bzr.png'))22:46
apacheloggerthat seems pretty straight forward, doesn't it :S22:46
supert0nesusually is22:46
Xand3rapachelogger: ther is an automoc22:47
apacheloggerXand3r: set path and ld_library22:47
apacheloggerand run with -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/kde-nightly22:48
* apachelogger thinks his gui is pretty sweet22:48
Xand3rapachelogger: gui of what?22:48
apacheloggerrelease script22:48
Xand3rwich releases?22:51
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot034.png22:51
Xand3rapachelogger: prety cool22:52
supert0nesqt gui's are interesting to learn22:53
supert0nespretty sweet tho22:53
supert0nesthe whole set it up, show it then hit the loop and run scripts from signals and slots takes some getting used to22:54
supert0nesso nightly is doing kdesupport right now?22:55
Xand3rits a never ending storry, i get the same -.- http://paste.ubuntu.com/25084/22:58
Xand3ri need a dict.leo.org plasmoid22:58
Xand3rslow i hate my self23:00
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apacheloggerautomoc4: process for /home/alexander/gtk-qt-engine/build/kcm_gtk/moc_searchpaths.cpp failed: Unknown error23:04
apacheloggerXand3r: what exactly changed?23:04
apacheloggerI still see a ./build/ directory23:04
apacheloggersupert0nes: something like that23:05
apacheloggersupert0nes: https://edge.launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive/+build/66088723:05
apacheloggeroh23:06
Xand3rapachelogger: i tryed the second time with the build dir befor it dont worked without so i tryed out23:06
apacheloggerapparently cron invoked a build anyway23:06
apacheloggerXand3r: das war unverständlich23:07
Xand3rjoa23:07
Xand3ralso ich hatte nie ein build verzeichnis erst als du damit angefangen hast habe ich es damit ausprobiert23:08
Xand3rund ohne gehts auch netz23:08
apacheloggerXand3r: wie sieht der fehler ohne aus?23:08
Xand3rdas ist der selbe23:08
Xand3rimmer23:08
apacheloggerscru it!23:11
apacheloggerXand3r: doesn't want to be compiled23:11
Xand3rapachelogger: but i want it23:11
apacheloggerthen fix it's cmake files23:11
Xand3ri told you about my knowleg of cmake23:12
Xand3rapachelogger: the kde.mk of crystal includes patchsys-quilt.mk, but pbuilder says it dont exist23:13
Xand3rbut cdbs is in the build-depends so what is going on here?23:15
apacheloggerbuild-dep on quilt23:15
Xand3ryea23:16
Xand3ras i read it23:16
Xand3rin that moment again in the google search23:17
Xand3rgna how stuipid i am23:17
apacheloggerdood, you should become austrian23:19
apacheloggerit's weird when germans call themself stupid that often :S23:19
Xand3r-.-23:20
JontheEchidnaHmm, does anybody know what the advantage of KIcon is over QIcon? (Just curious...)23:20
Xand3rwhat is the arch sparc?23:22
JontheEchidnaSun microsystems' computer's arch23:22
Xand3raha23:23
Xand3rthe build servwer of sparc is to stupid to install dep packages23:23
Xand3rlook http://paste.ubuntu.com/25086/23:24
JontheEchidnaAh, KIcon offers style integratoin23:24
JontheEchidna*integration23:24
* txwikinger is back23:26
txwikingerapachelogger: what does this mean?23:26
Xand3rwho is a build admin?23:26
Xand3rdont hide23:26
txwikingerCMake Error: Attempt to add link target keep of type: EXECUTABLE23:27
Xand3ri have a question to that loghttp://paste.ubuntu.com/25086/23:27
apacheloggertxwikinger: ask google23:31
* apachelogger never saw that error23:31
apacheloggerXand3r: yeah, maybe you could not blame the server23:31
txwikingerhmm.. first googling did not help.. I will look deeper23:31
apacheloggerbecause I rather think one of these packages doesn't build on spar23:31
apacheloggerc23:31
apacheloggertxwikinger: you can always read the cmake code ;-)23:31
apacheloggeror mail the cmake list23:31
txwikingerI think it has something with add_subdirectory to do23:31
apacheloggerlatter is probably faster23:32
Xand3roh ok i only wanted to know that it was not my fault23:32
txwikingergrep the cmake code :D23:32
apacheloggertxwikinger: ack23:38
apacheloggerack > grep23:38
Xand3rapachelogger: i thought if i could not compile it maybe the pbuilder could do, so i downloaded the package source and edited the rules, but now i get following error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25094/23:56
Xand3rmy rules is http://paste.ubuntu.com/25095/23:57
apacheloggerXand3r: apparently your system is b0rked23:57
apacheloggerXand3r: is that the same prompt as the one where you changed path and ld_libraryß23:58
apachelogger?23:58
Xand3r?23:58
Xand3rthis is trying to build an dsc23:59
Xand3rnot compiling it23:59
apacheloggeroh23:59
apacheloggerI thought that debuild -S -sa builds a package as well -.-23:59
apacheloggerXand3r: mach ne neue konsole auf und versuch es da23:59

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