[00:00] <Xand3r> the 4 in mailody4 is for the kde version? so i can leav it out or?
[00:00] <Riddell> Xand3r: yes i think so
[00:00] <Xand3r> ok
[00:00] <Riddell> I don't think there's much need to keep the kde 3 version around
[00:01] <Xand3r> ok
[00:04] <Riddell> Xand3r: still a problem with http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4
[00:04] <Xand3r> ??
[00:04] <Xand3r> gna
[00:04] <Xand3r> ok
[00:10] <Xand3r> Riddell: i do it tomorrow
[00:10] <Xand3r> i am so tired
[00:11] <Xand3r> sorry
[00:11] <Xand3r> apachelogger: we see us
[00:11] <apachelogger> cya
[00:11] <Xand3r> gn8 my friends
[00:16] <stdin> Riddell, apachelogger: the error is:
[00:16] <stdin> CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:53 (MESSAGE):
[00:16] <stdin>   Could not find REQUIRED package Kdepim
[00:16] <apachelogger> I say it is a typo in the -crypto
[00:17] <apachelogger> change find_package to KdePim and it will work
[00:18] <apachelogger> meh
[00:18]  * apachelogger has to recreate the kdepim debdiff :S
[00:21] <Riddell> it could be a typo in kdepim, it's not like anything else uses its libraries yet, but I'd still much rather have upstream apply that patch first
[00:22] <apachelogger> +1
[00:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, stdin can patch it for now in -crypto
[00:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdepim_4.0.83-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.debdiff
[00:24] <stdin> apachelogger: when I change it to KdePim I get this "find_package could not find module FindKdePim.cmake or a configuration file  for package KdePim."
[00:24] <stdin> so I don't think it's -crypto
[00:25] <apachelogger> hm
[00:26] <apachelogger> hum
[00:26] <apachelogger> stdin: ok, don't listen to me
[00:26] <apachelogger> it's too hot and too late for me to properly investigate on this
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> zomg, moving applets in the panel just got committed to svn
[00:58] <vorian> :)
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> If only I was using kde from source...
[00:59]  * yuriy impatiently waits for neon updates
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> ^++
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> Looks like it works by: Open panel config ruler-box-bar-thingy -> Use good old drag and drop
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> Oooh shiny++ http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Salute_to_an_icon
[01:12] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i had to watch that video a few times before i "saw"
[01:12] <vorian> very nice
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> fwiw I had to watch it twice
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> I guess it just felt so natural I didn't notice anything
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[02:31] <vorian> hmph
[03:44] <EagleScreen> hello
[03:44] <EagleScreen> i am trying to port gdebi to Debian :D
[03:44] <EagleScreen> gdebi-kde fails in Debian
[03:46] <EagleScreen> i run: from kparts import konsolePart,TerminalInterface in python and i obtain http://paste.ubuntu.com/24878/
[04:19] <ScottK> EagleScreen: The konsolepart has been removed from python-kde3
[04:19] <ScottK> It really needs to be ported to KDE4 at this point.
[04:20] <EagleScreen> ScottK now i understand
[04:21] <EagleScreen> 3.6.16.1 does not have konsolepart isnt?
[04:22] <EagleScreen> but is it in 3.6.16.0?
[04:24] <ScottK> IIRC, yes.
[04:24] <ScottK> I don't think Debian ever supported it in any case.
[04:26] <EagleScreen> may be when gdebi is ported to KDE4??
[07:15] <papabean> Let's say I was an almost-complete n00b and wanted to get involved with making Kubuntu better.  How/where would I get started?
[07:37] <papabean> Jucato: So, how can I help Kubuntu or KDE 4?
[07:39] <Jucato> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu and there's a link to the ToDo page in the channel topic
[07:40] <papabean> I saw the ToDo list but had difficulty making sense of what needed to be done.'
[07:40] <papabean> For example, merging.
[07:40] <Jucato> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[07:40] <Jucato> ah those fall under packaging
[07:40] <papabean> Simply states: Replace KDE 3 packages with KDE 4
[07:41] <Jucato> basically pick an area that interests you or where you think you can contribute, and focus on that until you get more familiar with the environment
[07:41] <papabean> Ahhh..thank you.  That's a wonderful link.  Off I go to read.  :)
[07:41] <Jucato> areas of contribution range from packaging, to coding, to documentation, to user support, to artwork, to bug triaging and bug fixing
[07:42] <Jucato> you might want to ask again in a few hours, when the channel is most active
[07:43] <papabean> This is good for the moment and I will definitely ask again.  Thank you.
[07:44] <papabean> I love Ubuntu for the exposure it's brought to Linux.  I love Kubuntu for the KDE bent.
[07:45] <Riddell> hi papabean
[07:45] <Jucato> oh there. Riddell's alive. you can poke him :)
[07:46] <papabean> :)
[07:46] <papabean> Hi, Riddell.  I was present last week (?) when the Kubuntu Tutorial day was going on, but missed most of it and had to read logs.
[07:47] <papabean> I am very interested in contributing to Kubuntu, but unsure of how to get started.
[07:47] <papabean> I am comfortable with Linux, mediocre with Python and unafraid to learn.
[07:48] <Jucato> ah python! then you're in the right place ;)
[07:51] <papabean> Isn't Ubuntu very Python-centric?
[07:51] <papabean> But KDE not so much?  (Or is that my limited understanding of the situation?)
[07:57] <Riddell> that's about right
[07:57] <Riddell> but we're changing it, 4.1 comes with a couple of python apps because of us
[07:57] <papabean> That's good news.
[07:59] <Riddell> papabean: well if you want a small task, how about porting language-selector from pyqt 4 to pykde 4
[07:59] <papabean> Riddell: Ok. I'd love to.
[07:59] <\sh> python will rock kde, too :)
[08:00] <\sh> kde + python RADing is so much fun...
[08:00] <papabean> Riddell: Where do I start?
[08:00] <Riddell> papabean: use bzr to checkout from https://code.edge.launchpad.net/language-selector
[08:01] <Riddell> make sure it runs
[08:01] <Riddell> then change QApplication to KApplication and the various bits a KApplication needs (KAboutData)
[08:01] <Riddell> apt-get source python-kde4 for some examples
[08:02] <papabean> Ok.  Checking out that code now.
[08:03] <papabean> One question:  I'm currently running KDE 3.5.9.  To properly assist, should I upgrade to KDE 4.1 beta 2 and what's the best path?  Install the -kde4 packages?
[08:03] <Riddell> papabean: yeah
[08:03] <Riddell> and python-kde4 of course
[08:04] <papabean> Ok.  I'll take care of that right now.
[08:14] <papabean> Thanks, Riddell.  The upgrade to 4.1 beta is going to keep my system busy for a bit.
[08:14] <papabean> The checkout from bzr completed without a hitch.
[08:14] <papabean> Will make sure it runs after the upgrade's complete.
[09:46] <papabean> Ok.  The updates are finally complete and boy, does 4.1 still seem like it needs some work.  :)
[09:47] <papabean> But for language-selector, should I now go through the normal setup.py process?
[09:47] <papabean> S´ok for me.  My /usr/local is a separate partition and can be unmounted to go back to distribution-only applications.
[09:50] <Riddell> papabean: it should run in place
[09:51] <papabean> Riddell: You're referring to qt-language-selector?
[09:51] <Riddell> yes
[09:52] <papabean> Got it.  Needs sudo, but it does.
[09:52] <papabean> So, now the task is to make it KDE-specific and not simply QT-specific, correct?
[09:53] <Riddell> yep
[09:53] <Riddell> bottom of LanguageSelector/qt/QtLanguageSelector.py would be the place to do it
[09:53] <papabean> Ok.  Heading to that snippet now.
[09:55] <papabean> Along those lines, should the "from PyQt" lines read "from PyKDE4" instead?
[09:56] <Riddell> the equivalent yes
[09:57] <papabean> Ok.
[09:57] <Riddell> as I say examples in python-kde4 source that you can steal the templates from
[09:58] <papabean> Wasn't able to apt-get source python-kde4.  Got this error: Unable to find a source package for kde4bindings
[09:58] <Riddell> add deb-src lines to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:59] <papabean> Of course.
[09:59] <papabean> Thank you.
[10:15] <jussi01> Riddell: whats the official line on kde4 and intrepid - default? (I want to make a factoid)
[10:16] <Riddell> jussi01: yes
[10:16] <Riddell> already is
[10:16] <Riddell> intrepid is intended to be the big scary release
[10:16] <jussi01> Riddell: is there a wiki page with this info?
[10:17] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs
[10:17] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion
[10:17] <jussi01> Riddell: thank you very much
[10:24] <papabean> Riddell: Added lines to import from PyKDE4.kdecore and PyKDE4.kdeui and changed QApplication at the bottom to KApplication.
[10:25] <papabean> Riddell: Is there more?
[10:25] <jussi01> !intrepid-#kubuntu | Riddell
[10:27] <papabean> Riddell: Ignore last question.  Just found the Class reference at riverbank software.
[10:27] <papabean> Will attempt to convert as much as possible to use PyKDE4.
[10:27] <Riddell> papabean: does it run?
[10:27] <papabean> Yes.
[10:27] <Riddell> papabean: did you add a KAboutData?
[10:27] <Riddell> jussi01: reads fine
[10:28] <papabean> Riddell: No.  Should I add as per documentation?
[10:29] <Riddell> papabean: yes please
[10:35] <papabean> Riddell: Added.  Unsure about the following, however:  copyright, version and bugEmail.  homePage set to "www.kubuntu.org"
[10:35] <Riddell> copyright Canonical Ltd
[10:35] <Riddell> version 0.3.4
[10:36] <Riddell> bugEmail leave blank ""
[10:36] <Riddell> it also needs KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData)
[10:37] <papabean> Ok.  appName and programName are "Language Selector", correct?
[10:38] <Riddell> appName is internal, "language-selector" better
[10:39] <Riddell> homepage can be https://launchpad.net/language-selector
[10:39] <papabean> Ok.
[10:40] <papabean> Done.
[10:41] <Riddell> added the KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData) line?
[10:41] <papabean> Yes.  Just above the app = KApplication(sys.argv) line.
[10:42] <papabean> after defining aboutData.
[10:42] <papabean> With the appropriate fields.
[10:42] <Riddell> groovy
[10:42] <Riddell> if it works, push it to launchpad
[10:42] <Riddell> commit first of course
[10:43] <papabean> It still runs.  How do I push to launchpad?
[10:44] <papabean> bzr commit URL?
[10:44] <papabean> bzr commit language-selector fails.
[10:44] <Riddell> bzr commit
[10:45] <Riddell> bzr push bzr+ssh://<lpuser>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~<lpuser>/language-selector/kdeport
[10:46] <papabean> bzr commit fails with the following: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/language-selector/ubuntu/.bzr/repository/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[10:46] <papabean> That's when run in the language-selector directory.
[10:48] <Riddell> oh you did a checkout on http?
[10:48] <Riddell> bzr shouldn't let you do that
[10:48] <Riddell> in my opinion anyway
[10:48] <papabean> lol.  It did.
[10:48] <Riddell> try  bzr commit --local
[10:49] <papabean> Ok.  Vim opened with the name of the modified file.
[10:49] <papabean> That's my $EDITOR
[10:49] <papabean> Is this for a changelog?
[10:50] <Riddell> yes
[10:50] <Riddell> for the bzr log
[10:51] <papabean> So: Added aboutData.  Port from PyQt4 to PyKDE4?
[10:51] <Riddell> yep
[10:52] <papabean> Ok. Confirmation of commit.
[10:52] <papabean> Now attempt the push?
[10:52] <Riddell> yes, assuming you have a launchpad account with a valid ssh key
[10:53] <papabean> I don't think i have an ssh key setup.  Do have a launchpad account and gpg-key.
[10:55]  * papabean is setting up an ssh key.
[10:57]  * papabean is attempting the push.
[11:00] <papabean> Push is underway.
[11:01] <papabean> Done.
[11:02]  * Riddell spots https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~papabean/language-selector/kdeport
[11:04] <Riddell> yay, works
[11:05] <Riddell> papabean: groovy, merged in
[11:06] <Riddell> papabean: ok, if you're up for more, those QIcons could do with changing to KIcons so it loads the KDE icons theme
[11:06] <papabean> On it.  :)
[11:07] <Riddell> which is something like  SmallIcon("icon-name")
[11:07] <Riddell> the icon names have changed, you'll need to search through /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/oxygen for the kde 4 name
[11:11] <papabean> So, for example: Change line 39 to Kicon("preferences-desktop-locale.png")  ?
[11:12] <papabean> It currently has: QIcon("/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps/locale.png"))
[11:12] <Riddell> convenicence functions are better
[11:12] <Riddell> SmallIcon() or BarIcon()
[11:14] <Riddell> or in that case probably DesktopIcon()
[11:14] <Riddell> comes from http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKIconLoader.html
[11:17] <papabean> Ok, well that leads to an error about needing a KComponentData object.  Reading up on that now.
[11:20] <Riddell> papabean: are you running it through qt-language-selector ?
[11:22] <papabean> Yes.  sudo ./qt-language selector --mode select
[11:24] <Riddell> papabean: looks like qt-language-selector also needs ported to KApplication
[11:24] <papabean> Ok.
[11:25] <papabean> Will it also need aboutData added to it?  Or is it sufficient in one location?
[11:27] <Riddell> yes
[11:27] <Riddell> should be a copy and paste job
[11:27] <papabean> Well, simply changing to KApplication was fail.
[11:28] <papabean> TypeError.  Python doesn't like sys.argv being passed to KApplication in this case.
[11:29] <Riddell> then don't :)
[11:31] <papabean> Took that out.  And now I get the usage statement, but prior to that a warning that /var/tmp is owned by the wrong user.
[11:32] <papabean> Ok.  This is going to take a little more brain power.  Not passing sys.argv to KApplication causes the bit  where qt-language-selector checks for appropriate parameters to be ignored.
[11:34] <papabean> However, it does correctly check for root privileges.
[11:34] <papabean> Does sys.argv get "eaten" somewhere?
[11:36] <Riddell> probably needs KCommandLineArgs
[11:36] <Riddell> no, KCmdLineOptions
[11:37] <papabean> Or KCmdLineArgs?
[11:37] <papabean> Already in there.  I'm gonna play a bit.
[11:37] <Riddell> see towards the bottom of http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeutils/printer-applet/printer-applet.py?revision=827981&view=markup
[11:41] <papabean> Looking at that.
[11:41] <papabean> Thanks.
[11:52] <papabean> I'm not having the success you had with the printer-config-applet.
[11:53] <papabean> Added this line: options = KCmdLineOptions() and then print options.  Which yields a PyKDE4.kdecore object
[11:54] <papabean> Added the addCmdLines line and args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs()
[11:54] <papabean> Printing args yields nothing and passed args to qt-language-selector are ignored.
[11:54] <papabean> What did I miss?
[11:58] <papabean> Is it the options.add lines?  Do I need to add one that includes the "--mode" line?
[12:01] <papabean> Ok.  I retract all that.
[12:02] <papabean> If I run qt-language-selector with no options, options and args are both Python objects and usage is returned.
[12:05] <papabean> Ok. Turns out sys.argv get "eaten" the first time they're referenced by any function.
[12:05] <papabean> If I put a print sys.argv PRIOR to KCmdLineArgs.init
[12:06] <papabean> I get a list with the command line options.
[12:06] <papabean> Does that mean I should put the options checks BEFORE the application even creates the KApplication?
[12:09] <papabean> s/the application/qt-language-selector/
[12:09] <Riddell>  KCmdLineArgs.init should be before the KApplication is made
[12:10] <papabean> It is.
[12:11] <papabean> If I print sys.argv RIGHT after that, it's an empty list.
[12:12] <Riddell> so ignore sys.argv
[12:12] <Riddell> and use KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs() like printer-applet does
[12:13] <papabean> Tried that, too.  args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs().  Print args on next line: args = empty.
[12:13] <papabean> If you're stunned, you're not alone.
[12:14] <papabean> KCmdLineArgs.init (sys.argv, aboutData)
[12:14] <papabean>     args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs()
[12:14] <Riddell> it needs the KApplication to be made between those I suspect
[12:14] <papabean> Ok.  Let me try that.
[12:15] <papabean> With this line:
[12:15] <papabean>     args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs()
[12:15] <papabean>     print args
[12:15] <papabean> after the creation of KApplication, args is still empty.
[12:16] <Riddell> what is printed out?
[12:16] <papabean> Nothing and I get the default: "Unknown option mode" - the command line is sudo ./qt-language-selector --mode select
[12:17] <papabean> and then "Use --help to get a list of available command line options"
[12:17] <papabean> IOW, the --mode option is being passed through to KE.
[12:17] <papabean> KDE.
[12:18] <Riddell> papabean: commit and push your changes and I'll take a look
[12:18] <papabean> Ok.
[12:21] <papabean> Done.  Great timing.  I need to go get some sleep now.  ~4:30 am here.
[12:38] <txwikinger> Is there a  kde.mk file for kde4?
[12:42] <apachelogger> txwikinger: kdepimlibs
[12:43] <txwikinger> inside the package?
[12:43] <apachelogger> yes
[12:43] <txwikinger> ah ok
[12:43] <apachelogger> the whole directory debian/cdbs needs to be included for kde4 packages
[12:43] <txwikinger> instead of the kde.mk in the normal cdbs folder
[12:44] <apachelogger> txwikinger: have a look at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skanlite
[13:10] <txwikinger> apachelogger: How do I create the CMakeLists.txt file?
[13:15] <apachelogger> hm
[13:15] <apachelogger> txwikinger: what are you working on?
[13:15] <txwikinger> keep
[13:15] <txwikinger> just messing around
[13:15] <txwikinger> I found a script
[13:17] <txwikinger> Well.. would be nice I figure it out somehow and we can use it
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, PyKDE4 isn't really all that different than PyQt4...
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> Anybody know where the PyKDE4 docs are installed?
[13:57] <apachelogger> txwikinger: depends on the script really ;-)
[13:57] <apachelogger> txwikinger: cmake --help-html > cmake.html && konqueror cmake.html
[13:57] <txwikinger> am2cmake
[13:58] <apachelogger> hum
[13:58] <apachelogger> txwikinger: isn't that a KDE script?
[13:58] <apachelogger> as in ... part of kdesdk
[13:58] <Xand3r> ap how i can make from a deb an diff an orig.tar and and .dsc?
[13:58] <txwikinger> yes
[13:58] <txwikinger> dpkg-buildpackage
[13:58] <apachelogger> Xand3r: why would you do that?
[13:58] <txwikinger> from a .deb?
[13:59] <apachelogger> thats what he said :P
[13:59] <apachelogger> txwikinger: so what do you want to do with am2cmake?
[13:59] <Xand3r> i need the cdbs
[13:59] <Xand3r> of that package
[13:59] <txwikinger> you can't ... the sources are not in there
[13:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ????
[13:59] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I already did
[13:59] <apachelogger> ah, fair enough
[13:59] <txwikinger> I created the CMakeLists files with it
[14:00] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I imagine you are really bad at telling stories because you never begin at the beginning :P
[14:00] <txwikinger> Now I have a problem that it doesn't find kde4-config
[14:00] <apachelogger> txwikinger: change $PATH
[14:00] <Xand3r> apachelogger: no i am good in telling storys :p
[14:00] <apachelogger> yah sure
[14:00] <Xand3r> but i thought you know the beginning
[14:00] <txwikinger> apachelogger: Inside pbuilder?
[14:01] <apachelogger> hm
[14:01] <apachelogger> quoting cartman: "this is a bad pbuilder, BAD PBUILDER!!"
[14:01] <Xand3r> i need  the kde.mk and the cmake.mk vrom a kde4 app from intrepid
[14:01] <apachelogger> txwikinger: did you include the magic cdbs dir?
[14:01] <txwikinger> inside debian? yes
[14:01] <apachelogger> aye
[14:02] <txwikinger> the one from the package you gave me
[14:02] <apachelogger> Xand3r: dood, that is like a really strange thing to say
[14:02] <apachelogger> txwikinger: no goody good
[14:02] <apachelogger> txwikinger: you build dep on kdelibs5-dev?
[14:02] <txwikinger> yes and kde4-devel
[14:03] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ?
[14:03] <apachelogger> Xand3r: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs
[14:03] <apachelogger> txwikinger: I never heard of kde4-devel
[14:03] <apachelogger> !info kde4-devel intrepid
[14:04] <apachelogger> quoting cartman: "kick ass!"
[14:04] <apachelogger> txwikinger: don't you think that is pulling in a bit too many deps?
[14:04] <apachelogger> s/deps/packages
[14:04] <txwikinger> well since it did not fix my error, I will take it out again
[14:04] <apachelogger> aye
[14:04] <txwikinger> I found it in one of the forums that it would fix my error, but it didn't
[14:05] <apachelogger> txwikinger: it's an intrepid pbuilder, right?
[14:05] <txwikinger> No hardy.. but I can try it on intrepid too
[14:05] <apachelogger> well
[14:05] <apachelogger> that cdbs _only_ works with intrepid
[14:05] <txwikinger> ah
[14:05] <txwikinger> why is that
[14:05] <apachelogger> for hardy you would have to use the ones from hardy-bacports
[14:05] <apachelogger> txwikinger: path change
[14:05] <apachelogger> kde4 in intrepid is in /usr
[14:06] <apachelogger> in hardy it's in /usr/lib/kde4
[14:06] <txwikinger> ah... that is why it doesn't find kde4-config?
[14:06] <apachelogger> aye
[14:06] <txwikinger> ah ok
[14:06]  * apachelogger started packaging quassel 0.2.0 rc1  3 hours ago -.-
[14:06] <apachelogger> <-- busy
[14:07] <txwikinger> Well... you should be already finished for 2h29mins
[14:08] <txwikinger> creepy.. first need to do an intrepid update
[14:09] <apachelogger> txwikinger: 2h56mins
[14:09] <txwikinger> 4 mins for packaging ?
[14:09] <apachelogger> aye
[14:09] <txwikinger> do you have a Cray?
[14:09] <txwikinger> My lappy does not even run pbuilder so fast
[14:09] <apachelogger> <-- scripting guy
[14:10] <apachelogger> txwikinger: well, while pbuilder is unpacking you can easily finish the packaging :P
[14:10] <apachelogger> nah, quassel just needs an update + change of buildsystem
[14:13] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i need only the kde.mk or?
[14:14] <vorian> morning
[14:14] <Xand3r> hi vorian
[14:14] <vorian> Xand3r: you need 4 files in all
[14:14] <apachelogger> Xand3r: rethink that question :P
[14:14] <apachelogger> why would we include 4 files but only need one? :P
[14:14] <vorian> haha
[14:14] <Xand3r> yea in that package, but in mine?
[14:15] <Xand3r> so kde.mk in cludes the debhelper and cmake
[14:15] <Xand3r> why i need the other?
[14:16] <txwikinger> because they are called in kde.mk?
[14:16] <Xand3r> no
[14:16] <Xand3r> i can reread it but first time i dont found it
[14:18] <Xand3r> apachelogger: please talk to me
[14:18] <apachelogger> *talk*
[14:18] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what?
[14:19] <Xand3r> kde.mk sems not to includ one of the other files, so wy i need them?
[14:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: technically said you don't need them
[14:19] <apachelogger> but you include them
[14:20]  * apachelogger is feeling a bit dizzy
[14:20] <apachelogger> :S
[14:21] <Xand3r> ok, that what i mean, i dont need them, ok i am not stupid
[14:21] <Xand3r> but why i put them in the package
[14:21] <Xand3r> ?
[14:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: some things are better not to be known ;-)
[14:22] <apachelogger> Xand3r: most understandable reason: to know which cdbs dir that is
[14:22] <apachelogger> the dirs vor hardy and intrepid contain different files
[14:22] <apachelogger> vorian: can you write the support mail yourself?
[14:22]  * apachelogger isn't very creative today :P
[14:22] <apachelogger> and dizzy
[14:22] <apachelogger> woah
[14:22]  * apachelogger needs something to drink
[14:22] <vorian> lol
[14:24] <vorian> apachelogger: it's too early to drink
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> So in regards to the todo list, what exactly needs to be done with the randr kcm module?
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> Test it/ file bugs?
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> Heh, it's not doing the crazy shite that it was doing in 4.0 anymore, that's good.
[14:27] <vorian> what crazy shite?
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> Crash while attempting to change screen rez when you opened the module in systemsettings
[14:29] <vorian> ah
[14:30]  * txwikinger never knew that Scotland is so far away
[14:32] <Riddell> txwikinger: we like to keep it separated from the riff raff :)
[14:32] <txwikinger> Riddell: I understand that very well
[14:33]  * txwikinger wants to keep distance from the riff raff here too
[14:33] <vorian> :o
[14:33] <txwikinger> hence the idea to go to Scotland ;)
[14:34] <txwikinger> vorian: here was not meant this channel, bu me geographical location :p
[14:34] <txwikinger> but my
[14:34] <vorian> haha
[14:34] <apachelogger> well
[14:34] <Riddell> 5 hours on train to Embra
[14:35] <apachelogger> we could all go to scotland and keep distance from the riff raff :P
[14:35] <txwikinger> multimap says 5h 7mins by car to Glasgow
[14:35] <Xand3r> hey i have to go we see us later
[14:35] <Xand3r> c ya
[14:35] <txwikinger> c ya in Scotland :D
[14:35] <vorian> Scotland is only but a hop, skip, and a jump away
[14:35] <apachelogger> there, Xand3r already leaves for scotland
[14:35] <apachelogger> cu Xand3r
[14:35] <vorian> o/ safe journey Xand3r
[14:36]  * txwikinger leaves to pick up son from school
[14:36] <txwikinger> later folks
[14:37]  * apachelogger waves to txwikinger
[14:38] <apachelogger> vorian: really, I can only write "kick ass"
[14:38] <vorian> apachelogger: whatever you feel is appropriate ^.^
[14:38] <apachelogger> that is not appropriate, which is the problem here :P
[14:38] <vorian> hmmm
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> The examples directory of the python-kde4-docs is empty D:
[14:49] <Riddell> examples are in apt-get source python-kde4-docs
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> Thanks.
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, it can't find a source package for python-kde4-docs
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Nor kdebindings
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> *kde4bindings
[14:51] <Riddell> it's kde4bindings in intrepid
[14:52]  * JontheEchidna needs to get around to reinstalling intrepid
[14:52]  * vorian cracks the whip! install install!
[14:53] <nixternal> happy 4th of july! \o/
[14:54] <Riddell> papabean: you have no options.add(...) lines
[14:54] <nixternal> or happy independence day I guess...though it will be better when we can celebrate our independence from bush and oil :P
[14:54] <RegEchse> hi
[14:54] <Riddell> nixternal: any day now I'm sure
[14:54] <Riddell> hi RegEchse
[14:55]  * JontheEchidna downloads intrepid iso
[14:55] <nixternal> hehe
[14:55] <vorian> nixternal: you mean foreign oil, right? :)
[14:55] <RegEchse> Does anybody know who is responsible for the bot "ubottu"?
[14:55] <vorian> RegEchse: see #ubuntu-ops
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> Oh hey, I can get the source from launchpad!
[14:55] <nixternal> vorian: I mean oil oil, except extra virgin olive and corn I guess :)
[14:55] <vorian> haha
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> But now they're even using corn oil in oil oil!
[14:56] <nixternal> that's good
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> isos take forever to download over a 1.5 mbit connection...
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> forever = 1 hour
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> Better than dialup though
[15:02]  * apachelogger is wondering for another oil usecase than burning it
[15:02]  * apachelogger is wondering about grammer as well
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> plastic is another oil usecase
[15:14] <apachelogger> eventually that plastic gets burned as well, once it became useless
[16:11] <txwikinger> cute.. now it complains about the install target
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> Why is Qt designer segfaulting...
[16:33] <Riddell> maybe it doesn't like the pykde plugins
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> Looking at the console error logs, it looks like you're right.
[16:35]  * apachelogger gets started with qtruby
[16:37] <txwikinger> apachelogger: that sounds like a virus
[16:38] <DRebellion> Would somebody mind reviewing my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=monkeystudio Thanks ;)
[16:41] <apachelogger> it's a Qt IDE
[16:41] <apachelogger> txwikinger: aye, one can't stop tha ruby
[16:41]  * apachelogger just b0rked the amarok release script
[16:42] <txwikinger> then unb0rk it again
[16:47] <ScottK> DRebellion: Is is a KDE package?
[16:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: [17:41:00] <apachelogger> it's a Qt IDE
[16:47] <ScottK> Ah.
[16:47] <ScottK> OK.
[16:47] <DRebellion> ScottK, yep
[16:47] <ScottK> OK.
[16:48]  * txwikinger is looking forward to the independence party
[16:48] <txwikinger> maybe I should throw some tea bags into the canal :D
[16:49] <DRebellion> txwikinger, don't - the ducks will get high on caffeine and stage a revolt
[16:49] <txwikinger> Well.. that would be a start :p
[16:50] <DRebellion> txwikinger, towards what? -.-
[16:50] <txwikinger> Revolution :D
[16:50] <DRebellion> heh
[17:53] <papabean> Riddell: Can I continue where I left off?   Or do I need to pull fresh code?
[18:01] <Riddell> papabean: you can
[18:02] <papabean> Ok.  Going to add an options.add() line or two to the mix.
[18:03] <Xand3r> hey ho folks
[18:05] <vorian> hi Xand3r
[18:06] <Xand3r> hi vorian
[18:14] <Xand3r> how can i check if automoc4 is broken or not?
[18:17] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: ping
[18:17] <Riddell> hi SSJ_GZ
[18:17] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Hey :) I saw your blog, and wondered if I could abuse you as a clee replacement and get syndicated? :)
[18:25] <ScottK> smarter and Riddell: Please see Bug #245339
[18:26] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: name, KDE occupation and feed?
[18:26] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Shall I forward you the e-mail I sent to clee?
[18:27] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Actually, may as well just do it here :) Simon St James, currently just KDE4Daily but hopefully "upstream" development soon, and http://ssj-gz.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default
[18:31] <Riddell> St James?
[18:31] <Riddell> What's the St  SSJ_GZ?
[18:32] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Abbreviation of "Saint" :)
[18:33] <Riddell> goodness
[18:33] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Quite the reverse >:)
[18:33] <Riddell> [http://ssj-gz.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default]
[18:33] <Riddell> name = Simon St James (SSJ_GZ)
[18:33] <Riddell> that right?
[18:34] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Yep :)
[18:34] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: pushed, should appear in half an hour or so
[18:34] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Wow, that was quick and easy - many thanks :)
[18:36] <papabean> Riddell: Have one options.add() line in there.  Does show up when --help is passed.  Now to figure out how to query the parameters that are passed with --mode.
[18:37] <Riddell> papabean: the code in printer-applet shows the simple use
[18:38] <papabean> Right.  For a boolean option (as I was able to glean from the KCmdLine docs)
[18:39] <papabean> I haven't given up yet.  :)
[18:48] <papabean> Looking at the KCmdLines docs, to specify options that take parameters the option should be followed by a \
[18:48] <papabean> i.e, "mode \"
[18:49] <papabean> However, this is causing syntax errors, so I tried \\.  That just makes the option (according to --help), mode \
[18:49] <papabean> Any ideas?  Or example code that may cover this?  You know what.  I'll do the legwork.
[18:54] <papabean> Ok.  I have to step out for a bit.  I will get back to this later.  Thanks for the inroad, Riddell.
[18:54]  * Xand3r is building pbuilder hardy and intrepid with 45kb/s download
[18:57] <yuriy> how is next tuesday for a kde3->4 hug day for people?
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> Good for me
[19:00] <Riddell> papabean: I think that \ is a c++ism
[19:03] <smarter> Riddell: \ works too in python
[19:11] <jussi01> yuriy: wfm :)
[19:15] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: if you're working on kde3 bugs in the next few days, please mark them off on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080708 if they're on that list
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> k
[19:52] <yuriy> txwikinger: i'm putting you in the email as one of the people to ask questions
[20:12]  * JontheEchidna has the first bit of a jockey pyqt4->pykde4 port
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25061/
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> I was thinkin' about putting an "about" button on the opposite side of the "close" button to utilize our free about dialog that KDE provides, but Qt Designer segfaults on me
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> ...and maybe we could give "Close" the close oxygen icon. :D
[20:17] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: isn't there a standard KDE dialog for that type of stuff?
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> what type of stuff?
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> The about dialog?
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> There is a standard KDE about dialog, but I need Qt designer to add a pushbutton so we can actually access it
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> WEll, I technically don't *need* qt designer for that, but...
[20:24] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: I mean with a standard close/apply/ whatever button
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> I guess we could transform jockey-kde into a dialog box instead of a main window.
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> ...but I also need qt designer for that since the ui is set up with a ui file
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> I could give Close an oxygen quit icon in the meantime. :D
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> Er, well default to whatever icon theme you're using.
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> Which will be oxygen unless you're crazy. ;)
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> So how does one go about contributing code to ubuntu?
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: How would I get involved in jockey-kde dev? (See above)
[21:04]  * supert0nes wishes he could give spare cpu cycles to the building of nightly
[21:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: how can i check if the automoc4 of the nightly build works or is broen?
[21:29] <supert0nes> think it might be Xand3r?
[21:30] <Xand3r> hmm
[21:30] <supert0nes> its been a while since there was an update
[21:31] <Xand3r> hmm
[21:32] <supert0nes> 15 days
[21:38] <Xand3r> thats i get if i whant to compile gtk-qt-engine for neon http://paste.ubuntu.com/25076/
[21:40] <Xand3r> supert0nes: an idea?
[21:40] <Xand3r> apachelogger: pleas ping when you are there
[21:40] <supert0nes> i havent been able to get that working
[21:41]  * apachelogger puts his most expensive dress on and pings
[21:41] <supert0nes> i use gtk-chtheme
[21:41] <apachelogger> PING
[21:41] <supert0nes> it works
[21:41] <apachelogger> PING
[21:41] <apachelogger> PING
[21:41] <apachelogger> PIGN
[21:41] <apachelogger> ah
[21:41] <apachelogger> wtf
[21:42] <supert0nes> hate to be bothersome but when is nightly base planning on churning out an update?
[21:43] <Xand3r> apachelogger: sorry if i annoy you but i thought you could help me
[21:43] <Xand3r> apachelogger i ask anothertime sorry
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> supert0nes: Might want to ask in the amarok neon channel
[21:44]  * apachelogger is drunk
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> ^lol
[21:44] <apachelogger> other than that I am askable
[21:46] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: the only one i think who can helps with the nightly builds is apachelogger
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> Ah yeah, since he is the neon mastermind o teh universe
[21:47] <apachelogger> that is really the problem ... me being the only one having a clue :P
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> btw, would you happen to know how to go about contributing code to jockey-kde?
[21:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: poke master mhb
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> mhb: I'm interested in doing a port of jockey-kde to pykde4
[21:51]  * JontheEchidna has this so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25061/
[21:52] <Xand3r> apachelogger: so you have a clue, what is the problem with my system and the gtk-qt-...
[21:53]  * JontheEchidna brb's to exercise the dog
[21:53] <apachelogger> well
[21:53] <apachelogger> automoc4: process for /home/alexander/gtk-qt-engine/build/kcm_gtk/moc_searchpaths.cpp failed: Unknown error
[21:53] <apachelogger> I can certainly say it again
[21:53] <apachelogger> Xand3r: gtk-qt doesn't support out-of-source builds!
[21:53] <Xand3r> it is the source from kde-look-org
[21:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: jockey code is at https://code.launchpad.net/jockey, branch the trunk and work on it
[21:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: a port to pykde4 would be a lovely start
[21:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: a good idea to talk to mhb if you have paticular plans
[22:03]  * JontheEchidna is back
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and any tips on how to get Qt designer back into a usable state?
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, seems there already is a branch for pykde4
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> Heh, seems to be about what I did
[22:24] <apachelogger> oh boy
[22:24] <apachelogger> Xand3r: read the readme
[22:24] <apachelogger> do exactly what it says
[22:26] <txwikinger> yuriy?
[22:28] <Xand3r> apachelogger: there is no redme
[22:28] <Xand3r> *readme
[22:29] <apachelogger> s/readme/install
[22:33] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ? running cmake.make, sudo make install? thats what i try
[22:33] <Xand3r> and dont work
[22:33] <apachelogger> no
[22:33] <apachelogger> you don't run cmake .
[22:33] <apachelogger> you run cmake ..
[22:33] <apachelogger> as you are in ./build/
[22:34] <Xand3r> no word about it in the onstall
[22:36] <apachelogger> To compile, run the following commands:
[22:36] <apachelogger>     cmake .
[22:36] <apachelogger>     make
[22:36] <apachelogger>     sudo make install
[22:37] <apachelogger> I can see clearly now...
[22:37] <supert0nes> heh
[22:38]  * apachelogger is wondering how to properly set a windowicon with rubyqt
[22:39]  * supert0nes would probably see how qtdesigner would do it
[22:39] <apachelogger> less fun
[22:40] <supert0nes> apachelogger:  any thought on those 15 day old nightly packages? i know i'm prodding a bit...
[22:40] <apachelogger> hm
[22:40] <apachelogger> maybe b0rked
[22:41] <supert0nes> that sucks but it would make sense
[22:42] <apachelogger> checkOut() started with component: kdesupport
[22:44] <supert0nes> thats way less fun than libs heh jk
[22:45] <Xand3r> apachelogger: cmake .. didnt find the automoc4
[22:45] <apachelogger> maybe there is no automoc in neon
[22:45] <apachelogger> dpkg -S automoc
[22:46] <apachelogger> d'oh
[22:46] <apachelogger> window.setWindowIcon(Qt::Icon.new('../.bzr.png'))
[22:46] <apachelogger> that seems pretty straight forward, doesn't it :S
[22:46] <supert0nes> usually is
[22:47] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ther is an automoc
[22:47] <apachelogger> Xand3r: set path and ld_library
[22:48] <apachelogger> and run with -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/kde-nightly
[22:48]  * apachelogger thinks his gui is pretty sweet
[22:48] <Xand3r> apachelogger: gui of what?
[22:48] <apachelogger> release script
[22:51] <Xand3r> wich releases?
[22:51] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot034.png
[22:52] <Xand3r> apachelogger: prety cool
[22:53] <supert0nes> qt gui's are interesting to learn
[22:53] <supert0nes> pretty sweet tho
[22:54] <supert0nes> the whole set it up, show it then hit the loop and run scripts from signals and slots takes some getting used to
[22:55] <supert0nes> so nightly is doing kdesupport right now?
[22:58] <Xand3r> its a never ending storry, i get the same -.- http://paste.ubuntu.com/25084/
[22:58] <Xand3r> i need a dict.leo.org plasmoid
[23:00] <Xand3r> slow i hate my self
[23:04] <apachelogger> automoc4: process for /home/alexander/gtk-qt-engine/build/kcm_gtk/moc_searchpaths.cpp failed: Unknown error
[23:04] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what exactly changed?
[23:04] <apachelogger> I still see a ./build/ directory
[23:05] <apachelogger> supert0nes: something like that
[23:05] <apachelogger> supert0nes: https://edge.launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive/+build/660887
[23:06] <apachelogger> oh
[23:06] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i tryed the second time with the build dir befor it dont worked without so i tryed out
[23:06] <apachelogger> apparently cron invoked a build anyway
[23:07] <apachelogger> Xand3r: das war unverständlich
[23:07] <Xand3r> joa
[23:08] <Xand3r> also ich hatte nie ein build verzeichnis erst als du damit angefangen hast habe ich es damit ausprobiert
[23:08] <Xand3r> und ohne gehts auch netz
[23:08] <apachelogger> Xand3r: wie sieht der fehler ohne aus?
[23:08] <Xand3r> das ist der selbe
[23:08] <Xand3r> immer
[23:11] <apachelogger> scru it!
[23:11] <apachelogger> Xand3r: doesn't want to be compiled
[23:11] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but i want it
[23:11] <apachelogger> then fix it's cmake files
[23:12] <Xand3r> i told you about my knowleg of cmake
[23:13] <Xand3r> apachelogger: the kde.mk of crystal includes patchsys-quilt.mk, but pbuilder says it dont exist
[23:15] <Xand3r> but cdbs is in the build-depends so what is going on here?
[23:15] <apachelogger> build-dep on quilt
[23:16] <Xand3r> yea
[23:16] <Xand3r> as i read it
[23:17] <Xand3r> in that moment again in the google search
[23:17] <Xand3r> gna how stuipid i am
[23:19] <apachelogger> dood, you should become austrian
[23:19] <apachelogger> it's weird when germans call themself stupid that often :S
[23:20] <Xand3r> -.-
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, does anybody know what the advantage of KIcon is over QIcon? (Just curious...)
[23:22] <Xand3r> what is the arch sparc?
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> Sun microsystems' computer's arch
[23:23] <Xand3r> aha
[23:23] <Xand3r> the build servwer of sparc is to stupid to install dep packages
[23:24] <Xand3r> look http://paste.ubuntu.com/25086/
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> Ah, KIcon offers style integratoin
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> *integration
[23:26]  * txwikinger is back
[23:26] <txwikinger> apachelogger: what does this mean?
[23:26] <Xand3r> who is a build admin?
[23:26] <Xand3r> dont hide
[23:27] <txwikinger> CMake Error: Attempt to add link target keep of type: EXECUTABLE
[23:27] <Xand3r> i have a question to that loghttp://paste.ubuntu.com/25086/
[23:31] <apachelogger> txwikinger: ask google
[23:31]  * apachelogger never saw that error
[23:31] <apachelogger> Xand3r: yeah, maybe you could not blame the server
[23:31] <txwikinger> hmm.. first googling did not help.. I will look deeper
[23:31] <apachelogger> because I rather think one of these packages doesn't build on spar
[23:31] <apachelogger> c
[23:31] <apachelogger> txwikinger: you can always read the cmake code ;-)
[23:31] <apachelogger> or mail the cmake list
[23:31] <txwikinger> I think it has something with add_subdirectory to do
[23:32] <apachelogger> latter is probably faster
[23:32] <Xand3r> oh ok i only wanted to know that it was not my fault
[23:32] <txwikinger> grep the cmake code :D
[23:38] <apachelogger> txwikinger: ack
[23:38] <apachelogger> ack > grep
[23:56] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i thought if i could not compile it maybe the pbuilder could do, so i downloaded the package source and edited the rules, but now i get following error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25094/
[23:57] <Xand3r> my rules is http://paste.ubuntu.com/25095/
[23:57] <apachelogger> Xand3r: apparently your system is b0rked
[23:58] <apachelogger> Xand3r: is that the same prompt as the one where you changed path and ld_libraryß
[23:58] <apachelogger> ?
[23:58] <Xand3r> ?
[23:59] <Xand3r> this is trying to build an dsc
[23:59] <Xand3r> not compiling it
[23:59] <apachelogger> oh
[23:59] <apachelogger> I thought that debuild -S -sa builds a package as well -.-
[23:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: mach ne neue konsole auf und versuch es da