[00:00] the 4 in mailody4 is for the kde version? so i can leav it out or? [00:00] Xand3r: yes i think so [00:00] ok [00:00] I don't think there's much need to keep the kde 3 version around [00:01] ok [00:04] Xand3r: still a problem with http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4 [00:04] ?? [00:04] gna [00:04] ok [00:10] Riddell: i do it tomorrow [00:10] i am so tired [00:11] sorry [00:11] apachelogger: we see us [00:11] cya [00:11] gn8 my friends [00:16] Riddell, apachelogger: the error is: [00:16] CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:53 (MESSAGE): [00:16] Could not find REQUIRED package Kdepim [00:16] I say it is a typo in the -crypto [00:17] change find_package to KdePim and it will work [00:18] meh [00:18] * apachelogger has to recreate the kdepim debdiff :S [00:21] it could be a typo in kdepim, it's not like anything else uses its libraries yet, but I'd still much rather have upstream apply that patch first [00:22] +1 [00:22] Riddell: well, stdin can patch it for now in -crypto [00:23] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdepim_4.0.83-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.debdiff [00:24] apachelogger: when I change it to KdePim I get this "find_package could not find module FindKdePim.cmake or a configuration file for package KdePim." [00:24] so I don't think it's -crypto [00:25] hm [00:26] hum [00:26] stdin: ok, don't listen to me [00:26] it's too hot and too late for me to properly investigate on this [00:57] zomg, moving applets in the panel just got committed to svn [00:58] :) [00:59] If only I was using kde from source... [00:59] * yuriy impatiently waits for neon updates [00:59] ^++ [01:01] Looks like it works by: Open panel config ruler-box-bar-thingy -> Use good old drag and drop [01:05] Oooh shiny++ http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Salute_to_an_icon [01:12] JontheEchidna: i had to watch that video a few times before i "saw" [01:12] very nice [01:13] fwiw I had to watch it twice [01:13] I guess it just felt so natural I didn't notice anything [01:13] ;) [02:31] hmph [03:44] hello [03:44] i am trying to port gdebi to Debian :D [03:44] gdebi-kde fails in Debian [03:46] i run: from kparts import konsolePart,TerminalInterface in python and i obtain http://paste.ubuntu.com/24878/ === krawek is now known as dcwek [04:19] EagleScreen: The konsolepart has been removed from python-kde3 [04:19] It really needs to be ported to KDE4 at this point. [04:20] ScottK now i understand [04:21] 3.6.16.1 does not have konsolepart isnt? [04:22] but is it in 3.6.16.0? [04:24] IIRC, yes. [04:24] I don't think Debian ever supported it in any case. [04:26] may be when gdebi is ported to KDE4?? [07:15] Let's say I was an almost-complete n00b and wanted to get involved with making Kubuntu better. How/where would I get started? [07:37] Jucato: So, how can I help Kubuntu or KDE 4? [07:39] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu and there's a link to the ToDo page in the channel topic [07:40] I saw the ToDo list but had difficulty making sense of what needed to be done.' [07:40] For example, merging. [07:40] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu [07:40] ah those fall under packaging [07:40] Simply states: Replace KDE 3 packages with KDE 4 [07:41] basically pick an area that interests you or where you think you can contribute, and focus on that until you get more familiar with the environment [07:41] Ahhh..thank you. That's a wonderful link. Off I go to read. :) [07:41] areas of contribution range from packaging, to coding, to documentation, to user support, to artwork, to bug triaging and bug fixing [07:42] you might want to ask again in a few hours, when the channel is most active [07:43] This is good for the moment and I will definitely ask again. Thank you. [07:44] I love Ubuntu for the exposure it's brought to Linux. I love Kubuntu for the KDE bent. [07:45] hi papabean [07:45] oh there. Riddell's alive. you can poke him :) [07:46] :) [07:46] Hi, Riddell. I was present last week (?) when the Kubuntu Tutorial day was going on, but missed most of it and had to read logs. [07:47] I am very interested in contributing to Kubuntu, but unsure of how to get started. [07:47] I am comfortable with Linux, mediocre with Python and unafraid to learn. [07:48] ah python! then you're in the right place ;) [07:51] Isn't Ubuntu very Python-centric? [07:51] But KDE not so much? (Or is that my limited understanding of the situation?) [07:57] that's about right [07:57] but we're changing it, 4.1 comes with a couple of python apps because of us [07:57] That's good news. [07:59] papabean: well if you want a small task, how about porting language-selector from pyqt 4 to pykde 4 [07:59] Riddell: Ok. I'd love to. [07:59] <\sh> python will rock kde, too :) [08:00] <\sh> kde + python RADing is so much fun... [08:00] Riddell: Where do I start? [08:00] papabean: use bzr to checkout from https://code.edge.launchpad.net/language-selector [08:01] make sure it runs [08:01] then change QApplication to KApplication and the various bits a KApplication needs (KAboutData) [08:01] apt-get source python-kde4 for some examples [08:02] Ok. Checking out that code now. [08:03] One question: I'm currently running KDE 3.5.9. To properly assist, should I upgrade to KDE 4.1 beta 2 and what's the best path? Install the -kde4 packages? [08:03] papabean: yeah [08:03] and python-kde4 of course [08:04] Ok. I'll take care of that right now. [08:14] Thanks, Riddell. The upgrade to 4.1 beta is going to keep my system busy for a bit. [08:14] The checkout from bzr completed without a hitch. [08:14] Will make sure it runs after the upgrade's complete. [09:46] Ok. The updates are finally complete and boy, does 4.1 still seem like it needs some work. :) [09:47] But for language-selector, should I now go through the normal setup.py process? [09:47] S´ok for me. My /usr/local is a separate partition and can be unmounted to go back to distribution-only applications. [09:50] papabean: it should run in place [09:51] Riddell: You're referring to qt-language-selector? [09:51] yes [09:52] Got it. Needs sudo, but it does. [09:52] So, now the task is to make it KDE-specific and not simply QT-specific, correct? [09:53] yep [09:53] bottom of LanguageSelector/qt/QtLanguageSelector.py would be the place to do it [09:53] Ok. Heading to that snippet now. [09:55] Along those lines, should the "from PyQt" lines read "from PyKDE4" instead? [09:56] the equivalent yes [09:57] Ok. [09:57] as I say examples in python-kde4 source that you can steal the templates from [09:58] Wasn't able to apt-get source python-kde4. Got this error: Unable to find a source package for kde4bindings [09:58] add deb-src lines to /etc/apt/sources.list [09:59] Of course. [09:59] Thank you. [10:15] Riddell: whats the official line on kde4 and intrepid - default? (I want to make a factoid) [10:16] jussi01: yes [10:16] already is [10:16] intrepid is intended to be the big scary release [10:16] Riddell: is there a wiki page with this info? [10:17] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs [10:17] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion [10:17] Riddell: thank you very much [10:24] Riddell: Added lines to import from PyKDE4.kdecore and PyKDE4.kdeui and changed QApplication at the bottom to KApplication. [10:25] Riddell: Is there more? [10:25] !intrepid-#kubuntu | Riddell [10:25] Riddell: Alpha Software: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for K/ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - #ubuntu+1 for discussion. Kubuntu Intrepid will have KDE 4 as the default DE - see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion | Warning lots of breaking software between now and October! [10:27] Riddell: Ignore last question. Just found the Class reference at riverbank software. [10:27] Will attempt to convert as much as possible to use PyKDE4. [10:27] papabean: does it run? [10:27] Yes. [10:27] papabean: did you add a KAboutData? [10:27] jussi01: reads fine [10:28] Riddell: No. Should I add as per documentation? [10:29] papabean: yes please [10:35] Riddell: Added. Unsure about the following, however: copyright, version and bugEmail. homePage set to "www.kubuntu.org" [10:35] copyright Canonical Ltd [10:35] version 0.3.4 [10:36] bugEmail leave blank "" [10:36] it also needs KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData) [10:37] Ok. appName and programName are "Language Selector", correct? [10:38] appName is internal, "language-selector" better [10:39] homepage can be https://launchpad.net/language-selector [10:39] Ok. [10:40] Done. [10:41] added the KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData) line? [10:41] Yes. Just above the app = KApplication(sys.argv) line. [10:42] after defining aboutData. [10:42] With the appropriate fields. [10:42] groovy [10:42] if it works, push it to launchpad [10:42] commit first of course [10:43] It still runs. How do I push to launchpad? [10:44] bzr commit URL? [10:44] bzr commit language-selector fails. [10:44] bzr commit [10:45] bzr push bzr+ssh://@bazaar.launchpad.net/~/language-selector/kdeport [10:46] bzr commit fails with the following: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/language-selector/ubuntu/.bzr/repository/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir() [10:46] That's when run in the language-selector directory. [10:48] oh you did a checkout on http? [10:48] bzr shouldn't let you do that [10:48] in my opinion anyway [10:48] lol. It did. [10:48] try bzr commit --local [10:49] Ok. Vim opened with the name of the modified file. [10:49] That's my $EDITOR [10:49] Is this for a changelog? [10:50] yes [10:50] for the bzr log [10:51] So: Added aboutData. Port from PyQt4 to PyKDE4? [10:51] yep [10:52] Ok. Confirmation of commit. [10:52] Now attempt the push? [10:52] yes, assuming you have a launchpad account with a valid ssh key [10:53] I don't think i have an ssh key setup. Do have a launchpad account and gpg-key. [10:55] * papabean is setting up an ssh key. [10:57] * papabean is attempting the push. [11:00] Push is underway. [11:01] Done. [11:02] * Riddell spots https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~papabean/language-selector/kdeport [11:04] yay, works [11:05] papabean: groovy, merged in [11:06] papabean: ok, if you're up for more, those QIcons could do with changing to KIcons so it loads the KDE icons theme [11:06] On it. :) [11:07] which is something like SmallIcon("icon-name") [11:07] the icon names have changed, you'll need to search through /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/oxygen for the kde 4 name [11:11] So, for example: Change line 39 to Kicon("preferences-desktop-locale.png") ? [11:12] It currently has: QIcon("/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps/locale.png")) [11:12] convenicence functions are better [11:12] SmallIcon() or BarIcon() [11:14] or in that case probably DesktopIcon() [11:14] comes from http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKIconLoader.html [11:17] Ok, well that leads to an error about needing a KComponentData object. Reading up on that now. [11:20] papabean: are you running it through qt-language-selector ? [11:22] Yes. sudo ./qt-language selector --mode select [11:24] papabean: looks like qt-language-selector also needs ported to KApplication [11:24] Ok. [11:25] Will it also need aboutData added to it? Or is it sufficient in one location? [11:27] yes [11:27] should be a copy and paste job [11:27] Well, simply changing to KApplication was fail. [11:28] TypeError. Python doesn't like sys.argv being passed to KApplication in this case. [11:29] then don't :) [11:31] Took that out. And now I get the usage statement, but prior to that a warning that /var/tmp is owned by the wrong user. [11:32] Ok. This is going to take a little more brain power. Not passing sys.argv to KApplication causes the bit where qt-language-selector checks for appropriate parameters to be ignored. [11:34] However, it does correctly check for root privileges. [11:34] Does sys.argv get "eaten" somewhere? [11:36] probably needs KCommandLineArgs [11:36] no, KCmdLineOptions [11:37] Or KCmdLineArgs? [11:37] Already in there. I'm gonna play a bit. [11:37] see towards the bottom of http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeutils/printer-applet/printer-applet.py?revision=827981&view=markup [11:41] Looking at that. [11:41] Thanks. [11:52] I'm not having the success you had with the printer-config-applet. [11:53] Added this line: options = KCmdLineOptions() and then print options. Which yields a PyKDE4.kdecore object [11:54] Added the addCmdLines line and args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs() [11:54] Printing args yields nothing and passed args to qt-language-selector are ignored. [11:54] What did I miss? [11:58] Is it the options.add lines? Do I need to add one that includes the "--mode" line? [12:01] Ok. I retract all that. [12:02] If I run qt-language-selector with no options, options and args are both Python objects and usage is returned. [12:05] Ok. Turns out sys.argv get "eaten" the first time they're referenced by any function. [12:05] If I put a print sys.argv PRIOR to KCmdLineArgs.init [12:06] I get a list with the command line options. [12:06] Does that mean I should put the options checks BEFORE the application even creates the KApplication? [12:09] s/the application/qt-language-selector/ [12:09] KCmdLineArgs.init should be before the KApplication is made [12:10] It is. [12:11] If I print sys.argv RIGHT after that, it's an empty list. [12:12] so ignore sys.argv [12:12] and use KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs() like printer-applet does [12:13] Tried that, too. args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs(). Print args on next line: args = empty. [12:13] If you're stunned, you're not alone. [12:14] KCmdLineArgs.init (sys.argv, aboutData) [12:14] args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs() [12:14] it needs the KApplication to be made between those I suspect [12:14] Ok. Let me try that. [12:15] With this line: [12:15] args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs() [12:15] print args [12:15] after the creation of KApplication, args is still empty. [12:16] what is printed out? [12:16] Nothing and I get the default: "Unknown option mode" - the command line is sudo ./qt-language-selector --mode select [12:17] and then "Use --help to get a list of available command line options" [12:17] IOW, the --mode option is being passed through to KE. [12:17] KDE. [12:18] papabean: commit and push your changes and I'll take a look [12:18] Ok. [12:21] Done. Great timing. I need to go get some sleep now. ~4:30 am here. [12:38] Is there a kde.mk file for kde4? [12:42] txwikinger: kdepimlibs [12:43] inside the package? [12:43] yes [12:43] ah ok [12:43] the whole directory debian/cdbs needs to be included for kde4 packages [12:43] instead of the kde.mk in the normal cdbs folder [12:44] txwikinger: have a look at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skanlite [13:10] apachelogger: How do I create the CMakeLists.txt file? [13:15] hm [13:15] txwikinger: what are you working on? [13:15] keep [13:15] just messing around [13:15] I found a script [13:17] Well.. would be nice I figure it out somehow and we can use it === akonadi is now known as nihui [13:28] Hmm, PyKDE4 isn't really all that different than PyQt4... [13:45] Anybody know where the PyKDE4 docs are installed? [13:57] txwikinger: depends on the script really ;-) [13:57] txwikinger: cmake --help-html > cmake.html && konqueror cmake.html [13:57] am2cmake [13:58] hum [13:58] txwikinger: isn't that a KDE script? [13:58] as in ... part of kdesdk [13:58] ap how i can make from a deb an diff an orig.tar and and .dsc? [13:58] yes [13:58] dpkg-buildpackage [13:58] Xand3r: why would you do that? [13:58] from a .deb? [13:59] thats what he said :P [13:59] txwikinger: so what do you want to do with am2cmake? [13:59] i need the cdbs [13:59] of that package [13:59] you can't ... the sources are not in there [13:59] Xand3r: ???? [13:59] apachelogger: I already did [13:59] ah, fair enough [13:59] I created the CMakeLists files with it [14:00] Xand3r: I imagine you are really bad at telling stories because you never begin at the beginning :P [14:00] Now I have a problem that it doesn't find kde4-config [14:00] txwikinger: change $PATH [14:00] apachelogger: no i am good in telling storys :p [14:00] yah sure [14:00] but i thought you know the beginning [14:00] apachelogger: Inside pbuilder? [14:01] hm [14:01] quoting cartman: "this is a bad pbuilder, BAD PBUILDER!!" [14:01] i need the kde.mk and the cmake.mk vrom a kde4 app from intrepid [14:01] txwikinger: did you include the magic cdbs dir? [14:01] inside debian? yes [14:01] aye [14:02] the one from the package you gave me [14:02] Xand3r: dood, that is like a really strange thing to say [14:02] txwikinger: no goody good [14:02] txwikinger: you build dep on kdelibs5-dev? [14:02] yes and kde4-devel [14:03] apachelogger: ? [14:03] Xand3r: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs [14:03] txwikinger: I never heard of kde4-devel [14:03] !info kde4-devel intrepid [14:03] kde4-devel (source: meta-kde4): the K Desktop Environment version 4 development files and modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3 (intrepid), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB [14:04] quoting cartman: "kick ass!" [14:04] txwikinger: don't you think that is pulling in a bit too many deps? [14:04] s/deps/packages [14:04] well since it did not fix my error, I will take it out again [14:04] aye [14:04] I found it in one of the forums that it would fix my error, but it didn't [14:05] txwikinger: it's an intrepid pbuilder, right? [14:05] No hardy.. but I can try it on intrepid too [14:05] well [14:05] that cdbs _only_ works with intrepid [14:05] ah [14:05] why is that [14:05] for hardy you would have to use the ones from hardy-bacports [14:05] txwikinger: path change [14:05] kde4 in intrepid is in /usr [14:06] in hardy it's in /usr/lib/kde4 [14:06] ah... that is why it doesn't find kde4-config? [14:06] aye [14:06] ah ok [14:06] * apachelogger started packaging quassel 0.2.0 rc1 3 hours ago -.- [14:06] <-- busy [14:07] Well... you should be already finished for 2h29mins [14:08] creepy.. first need to do an intrepid update [14:09] txwikinger: 2h56mins [14:09] 4 mins for packaging ? [14:09] aye [14:09] do you have a Cray? [14:09] My lappy does not even run pbuilder so fast [14:09] <-- scripting guy [14:10] txwikinger: well, while pbuilder is unpacking you can easily finish the packaging :P [14:10] nah, quassel just needs an update + change of buildsystem [14:13] apachelogger: i need only the kde.mk or? [14:14] morning [14:14] hi vorian [14:14] Xand3r: you need 4 files in all [14:14] Xand3r: rethink that question :P [14:14] why would we include 4 files but only need one? :P [14:14] haha [14:14] yea in that package, but in mine? [14:15] so kde.mk in cludes the debhelper and cmake [14:15] why i need the other? [14:16] because they are called in kde.mk? [14:16] no [14:16] i can reread it but first time i dont found it [14:18] apachelogger: please talk to me [14:18] *talk* [14:18] Xand3r: what? [14:19] kde.mk sems not to includ one of the other files, so wy i need them? [14:19] Xand3r: technically said you don't need them [14:19] but you include them [14:20] * apachelogger is feeling a bit dizzy [14:20] :S [14:21] ok, that what i mean, i dont need them, ok i am not stupid [14:21] but why i put them in the package [14:21] ? [14:21] Xand3r: some things are better not to be known ;-) [14:22] Xand3r: most understandable reason: to know which cdbs dir that is [14:22] the dirs vor hardy and intrepid contain different files [14:22] vorian: can you write the support mail yourself? [14:22] * apachelogger isn't very creative today :P [14:22] and dizzy [14:22] woah [14:22] * apachelogger needs something to drink [14:22] lol [14:24] apachelogger: it's too early to drink [14:24] So in regards to the todo list, what exactly needs to be done with the randr kcm module? [14:24] Test it/ file bugs? [14:26] Heh, it's not doing the crazy shite that it was doing in 4.0 anymore, that's good. [14:27] what crazy shite? [14:28] Crash while attempting to change screen rez when you opened the module in systemsettings [14:29] ah [14:30] * txwikinger never knew that Scotland is so far away [14:32] txwikinger: we like to keep it separated from the riff raff :) [14:32] Riddell: I understand that very well [14:33] * txwikinger wants to keep distance from the riff raff here too [14:33] :o [14:33] hence the idea to go to Scotland ;) [14:34] vorian: here was not meant this channel, bu me geographical location :p [14:34] but my [14:34] haha [14:34] well [14:34] 5 hours on train to Embra [14:35] we could all go to scotland and keep distance from the riff raff :P [14:35] multimap says 5h 7mins by car to Glasgow [14:35] hey i have to go we see us later [14:35] c ya [14:35] c ya in Scotland :D [14:35] Scotland is only but a hop, skip, and a jump away [14:35] there, Xand3r already leaves for scotland [14:35] cu Xand3r [14:35] o/ safe journey Xand3r [14:36] * txwikinger leaves to pick up son from school [14:36] later folks [14:37] * apachelogger waves to txwikinger [14:38] vorian: really, I can only write "kick ass" [14:38] apachelogger: whatever you feel is appropriate ^.^ [14:38] that is not appropriate, which is the problem here :P [14:38] hmmm [14:48] The examples directory of the python-kde4-docs is empty D: [14:49]