[00:00] <ubuntu> Hello aall
[00:17] <ptitrobin29> cod2
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[00:19] <freak_> ?
[00:20] <freak_> nabend
[00:36] <jill> i have a free space without partition on my drive, how can i install ntfs partition on it under kubuntu 8 without lost of data?
[00:38] <tweak> would anyone be able to tell me if there is a cmd to download madwifi and if so, what it is
[00:38] <StevenX> hello all. I am using ubuntu, but I installed kde and am now using it as my windows manager. is there a reason that compiz fusion doesn't seem to be working?
[00:39] <StevenX> is tehre something i have to do?>
[00:39] <stdin> tweak: the madwifi driver is pre-installed
[00:40] <tweak> kk...then would u be able to tell me why i'm unable to stop and start the different card interfaces, by anychance...the only thing that i could think of was that i was missing an updated madwifi or somethin
[00:42] <mitsarionas> StevenX: did you enable it from kde?
[00:44] <kaminix> What's new in 8.04.1?
[00:44] <derdui> does anybody know the programm called ooVoo? and if, how to run it under linux
[00:45] <StevenX> mitsarionas, that's what i'm trying to figure out how to do
[00:45] <mitsarionas> check out kmenu->system->desktop effects
[00:47] <mitsarionas> kaminix: it's just a more recent snapshot of 8.04... just minor updates on whatever packages have been updated
[00:48] <kaminix> Ah. Nothing I need to download then.
[00:48] <mitsarionas> you alreaady have it ;)
[00:48] <mitsarionas> even the grub menu is updated to print 8.04.1
[00:49] <kaminix> :)
[00:49] <StevenX> thanks mitsarionas, tha got it working
[00:49] <StevenX> mitsarionas, quick question, why do I have a ball on my desktop that I can get rid off called the "Adept Notifier"?
[00:50] <mitsarionas> you're welcome
[00:50] <mitsarionas> it will go away when you restart x
[00:50] <jill> i have a free space without partition on my drive, how can i install ntfs partition on it under kubuntu 8 without lost of data?
[00:50] <mitsarionas> it's just a bug of some sort
[00:50] <StevenX> OK. i am going to restart the machien now. thanks for the help.
[00:51] <jill> i cant view rar files...
[00:51] <mitsarionas> did you install unrar?
[00:51] <jill> nop
[00:51] <jill> should i?
[00:51] <mitsarionas> yeah ;)
[00:51] <jill> okay)
[00:52] <jill> apt-get install unrar?
[00:52] <mitsarionas> yeah... i think...there's a free and a non-free version
[00:52] <mitsarionas> i think unrar depends on unrar-nonfree
[00:52] <jill> what is the best solution?
[00:53] <mitsarionas> nonfree i think the free one doesn't open recent rar's iirc
[00:53] <jill> iirc - what is it?
[00:54] <mitsarionas> if i recall correctly :)
[00:54] <jill> okay, can i use nonfree for free?
[00:55] <mitsarionas> yeah, it's just not open-source i think...
[00:55] <jill> how can i install it, tell me please
[00:55] <jill> and i want save deb file for my friends, is it possible?
[00:56] <mitsarionas> apt-get install unrar (that installs non-free indeed)
[00:56] <mitsarionas> they're kept somewhere
[00:56] <jill> oh.. i see
[00:56] <mitsarionas> lemme check
[00:56] <jill> dont go anyway))) i have question for you))
[00:57] <mitsarionas>  /var/cache/apt/archives
[00:57] <mitsarionas> not going away :)
[00:58] <jill> thanks for path... and rar arcs are open now)))
[00:58] <mitsarionas> ;)
[00:58] <beto> hola, que tal,
[00:58] <mitsarionas> hola amigo :)
[00:59] <beto> que tal? soy nuevo en ubuntu, nos sabes como instalar el kopete???
[00:59] <Daisuke_Ido> !es | beto
[00:59] <jill> my disk has 140Gbytes of free space without any fylesystem.. i want to create ntfs partition there... how can i do this without data lost?
[01:00] <beto> entonces e spereerible que hable en ingles o me cambie de canal?
[01:02] <NickPresta> !es | beto
[01:02] <maltedik> hi. there is this old systemsettings->resolution of mouse problem...
[01:02] <maltedik> how do i give myself the right to change the settings of my mouse?
[01:03] <maltedik> am tired of doint "kdesu kcmshell mouse"
[01:03] <maltedik> or using lmctl... kde has it built-in goddamnit!
[01:11] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[01:12] <BluesKaj> hi m_tadeu
[01:12] <m_tadeu> whats the story with this new kubuntu release?
[01:12] <Odd-rationale> m_tadeu: just 8.04.1 has been released...
[01:13] <BluesKaj> it's very stable and easier to set up application-wise than previous releases , IMO
[01:15] <m_tadeu> where can I find the changelog?
[01:16] <Dragnslcr> It's probably just all the security and bug fixes that have been released since April
[01:16] <m_tadeu> I see
[01:16] <m_tadeu> it's just not usual to make a release based on that
[01:17] <Dragnslcr> It saves people that are installing it from having to download a whole bunch of updates
[01:17] <mitsarionas> it's still hardy...just an updated cd image
[01:19] <m_tadeu> I haven't been paying much attention on the updates....was there a big security problem, or something like that?
[01:19] <Dragnslcr> There are always updates to various packages
[01:28] <mits> um... is there a sound recorder app for kde? not with any fancy features, just recording...
[01:29] <BluesKaj> recording line in , mic , or cd  or... ?
[01:30] <mits> mic
[01:32] <m_tadeu> guess it was due to a security vulnerability in openssl...they fixed all ubuntu flavours :)
[01:38] <tuxwulf> ... file a bug report... all I see is forums...
[01:38] <tuxwulf> I guess KDE (4) has its own channel/forum/etc...?
[01:45] <dwidmann> http://bugs.kde.org
[01:46] <dwidmann> http://launchpad.net
[01:46] <dwidmann> #kubuntu-kde4
[01:48] <tuxwulf> Thanks for that ...
[01:49] <tuxwulf> Adn for kubuntu philosophy ...? Or feature requests ...? Anythign specific to go to?
[01:50] <dwidmann> feature requests for Kubuntu in general would go to launchpad.net, for kde would go to bugs.kde.org, do it like you're filing a bug except for severity choose "wishlist"
[01:50] <dwidmann> anywho, I'm headed to bed. Night
[01:53] <tuxwulf> Thanks, sleepwell
[01:55] <aib> is anyone using Konsole in KDE 4?
[02:01] <tuxwulf> I used it a little bit lasst night
[02:02] <tuxwulf> Fonts apeared italic...
[02:25] <cara> Hi all, I'm having an issue, trying to change my systemsettings but it won't update the settings.
[02:25] <cara> It sits there saying its updating and redo=\
[02:26] <cara> re-dos it ... I let it sit there overnight to see what would happen and I'm just now getting back to it and its still saying it's updating.
[02:27] <Odd-rationale> cara: what settings are you trying to change?
[02:32] <draik> Hello all
[02:32] <draik> Does espeak read odt files?
[02:32] <draik> I am having an issue in doing so.
[02:32] <draik> espeak -f filename.odt
[02:32] <draik> Just says "p k" from the audio
[02:34] <dsmith_> hi just  update to 8.04, when I click kmenu...system settings it crashes....any ideas what I can look at to fix?
[02:35] <draik> I guess not since a test.txt works just fine.
[02:35] <Odd-rationale> dsmith_: kde3? or kde4?
[02:35] <dsmith_> 3
[02:36] <dsmith_> alot of apps in lost & found
[02:36] <dsmith_> I tried renaming .kde but it still persists
[02:36] <dsmith_> the problem that is
[02:37] <Odd-rationale> i was just going to suggest that... :|
[02:38] <dsmith_> some config file must be broke
[02:39] <Odd-rationale> dsmith_: one way to find out if that is true is to add a new user and see if the problem still persists...
[02:39] <dsmith_> hmmmmmmmm
[02:39] <dsmith_> mmm
[02:39] <dsmith_> I have two other users on here
[02:39] <dsmith_> let me try that
[02:39] <Odd-rationale> k
[02:41] <dsmith_> same problem
[02:43] <Odd-rationale> dsmith_: do you have a user that you can delete all files in ~ ?
[02:43] <dsmith_> why dont i just create a new user?
[02:43] <Odd-rationale> you can do that too...
[02:44] <Odd-rationale> gtg, good luck!
[02:44] <navetz_> can someone please help me, I view my server (website) in firefox but I can ping it and it works. I have a basic LAMP setup for testing, does anyone know what I shuold do?
[02:46] <shuxeao> !
[02:47] <dsmith_> Odd-rationale: same problem on a new user
[02:48] <dsmith_> navetz_: wrong forum
[02:50] <dsmith_> Odd-rationale: whats is your command for system settings?
[02:51] <dsmith_> oh damn I just noticed he left
[02:55] <victamower> hi, I can't get amarok to find .aif files from my iTunes collection when I scan
[02:56] <victamower> the songs play fine if I manually find them
[02:56] <dsmith_> wrong forum
[02:57] <dsmith_> try amarok forum
[02:57] <victamower> I've asked there, everyone's asleep
[02:57] <dsmith_> wait for 4-6 hours
[02:57] <dsmith_> heh
[02:57] <victamower> I'm setting this PC up for my little bro, gotta drop it off in an hour
[02:57] <victamower> :O
[02:58] <dsmith_> oh....
[02:58] <victamower> he won't be happy if his music collection is missing
[02:58] <victamower> I'm switching him over from XP, rather than re-install for the third time..
[02:58] <dsmith_> heh
[02:58] <dsmith_> right on....
[02:58] <dsmith_> thats what I do
[02:58] <dsmith_> is his ipod new?
[02:58] <dsmith_> what generation is it?
[02:58] <cara> Odd-rationale: I'm sorry I was afk
[02:59] <dsmith_> odd has left
[02:59] <victamower> I've tried rhythmbox too, it detects the files but lists them as Unknown Unknown
[02:59] <cara> I was trying to change the regional settings
[02:59] <cara> o
[02:59] <cara> dang
[02:59] <cara> well
[02:59] <victamower> dsmith: it's 1st gen iPod nano I think
[02:59] <dsmith_> wow
[02:59] <dsmith_> it should have no problems
[03:00] <victamower> my gf had some issues with her new iPod, I had to install some new library
[03:00] <victamower> but that was with Gutsy
[03:00] <dsmith_> did you look online?
[03:00] <cara> I was trying to change my regional settings and kde just sits there saying its updating and I let it go on overnight so its been doing it for almost 20 hours
[03:00] <victamower> got that sorted out no probs
[03:00] <cara> and has not updated anything
[03:05] <Guest42427> ñ,ñ,
[03:05] <Guest42427> l,mlll
[03:06] <Guest42427> nmiikn
[03:07] <Guest42427> fdhgsfhfs
[03:07] <Guest42427> dfhdfh
[03:07] <Guest42427> fdhfd
[03:09] <EagleScreen> #debian-kde
[03:16] <[ifr0g]> Hi, Does any one here have problem with ff3 ?
[03:17] <[ifr0g]> Mines crashing.
[03:19] <mr---t-> mines fine maybe they can help at #firefox
[03:21] <[ifr0g]> mr---t-, yeah, maybe. but i think i will stick with 2 till i reinstall to 8.04
[03:25] <mr---t-> [ifr0g]: i am using 8.04 btw
[03:26] <[ifr0g]> yes, couple of my friends said firefox is fine on 6.04
[03:26] <[ifr0g]> 8*
[03:26] <[ifr0g]> mr---t-, So, Do you happen to know vlc and tv streaming?
[03:27] <[ifr0g]> or*
[03:27] <mr---t-> no
[03:27] <[ifr0g]> k
[03:27] <mr---t-> never used either
[03:28] <mr---t-> I use my computer as a computer no dvds or tv
[03:28] <[ifr0g]> I was trying to get my vlc to stream a youtube playlist over to my cafe's ip tv.
[03:29] <[ifr0g]> mr---t-, k ;)
[03:29] <mr---t-> others here may know
[03:29] <[ifr0g]> mr---t-, So what do you do for a living?
[03:29] <yurimxpxman> how do I make my laptop lock when I close the lid?
[03:30] <[ifr0g]> yurimxpxman, huh, did you check the power option?
[03:30] <[ifr0g]> there is a small batter icon on the kicker.
[03:30] <mr---t-> [ifr0g]: computer desktop support,  but here is a help channel and this is off topic
[03:31] <[ifr0g]> mr---t-, Ah, ok :0
[03:32] <[ifr0g]> I guessed no one is chatting, so wont create much disturbance.
[03:32] <mr---t-> prolly not but I never know
[03:33] <[ifr0g]> kazol, Indian ?
[03:33] <[ifr0g]> mr---t-, So  you are new here?
[03:33] <mr---t-> yes fairly
[03:33] <[ifr0g]> I been here since the kubuntu first release.
[03:34] <mr---t-> I've only been using linux for about 3 months , I have to work with M$
[03:35] <[ifr0g]> me too, sadly. My work deals with windows servers :(
[03:35] <Firefishe> Welcome to the Woot Woild of Tux, mr---t- ;)
[03:36] <mr---t-> I'm lovin it, I learn alot hanging out in here
[03:37] <StevenX> hello guys.
[03:37] <mr---t-> It amazes me how things that are new features in M$ have been in linux for a long time
[03:37] <StevenX> How can i make a list of all the packages installed on my computer?
[03:37] <[ifr0g]> StevenX, Hi.
[03:38] <StevenX> [ifr0g], do you know what command I can use to make a list of the packages installed on my kbuntu box?
[03:39] <[ifr0g]> stuq, huh i guess dpkg -l
[03:40] <StevenX> [ifr0g], yea, but I want that exported to a list. Like list.txt
[03:40] <kgx> is it possible to launch non-executable files (such as *.jpg) from the konsole so that it opens in the default viewer?
[03:40] <[ifr0g]> Is that the list you want ^^
[03:41] <[ifr0g]> what format ?
[03:41] <kazol> [ifr0g]: You prefer Windows over *nix??
[03:41] <kazol> [ifr0g]: I am faced with everyone using Windows and I simply hate it.
[03:41] <[ifr0g]> kazol, Absolutely.
[03:42] <kazol> [ifr0g]: Just curious, why?
[03:43] <[ifr0g]> kazol, Windows is not bad. Its just too expensive and closed and unsecure.
[03:43] <jill> he meant it is BAD))
[03:43] <kazol> [ifr0g]: It's extremely unstable, impossible to use, and has absolutely no flexibility.
[03:44] <jill> Those three causes = bad i think
[03:44] <kazol> And don't get me started on the MS-DOS shell....
[03:44] <[ifr0g]> kazol, Unstable, yesh when its on the internet. Impossible to configure compared to linux.
[03:44] <kazol> I wouldn't even call it a "shell."
[03:45] <[ifr0g]> kazol, WIndows how have super shell or something.
[03:45] <[ifr0g]> :P
[03:45] <kazol> Yes, I know about it.
[03:45] <kazol> It is still inferior.
[03:46] <matthew_> lol....
[03:46] <matthew_> are you guys serious?
[03:46] <kazol> Yes
[03:46] <kazol> I am extremely anti-Microsoft.
[03:46] <matthew_> wow...
[03:47] <[ifr0g]> kazol, Its not windows thats bad but its methodology behide its creation.
[03:47] <[ifr0g]> For example look at reactOS
[03:47] <kazol> It's still not good enough for me.
[03:48] <matthew_> windows is not bad at all. not everyone can use linux, and OSx us worthless to most
[03:48] <kazol> Whenever I use Windows, I feel severely deprived.
[03:49] <kazol> As though I have little control over anything.
[03:49] <kazol> Everything is hidden underneath and not viewable to the user.
[03:49] <kazol> And the user is treated like a complete idiot.
[03:49] <matthew_> like what?
[03:49] <[ifr0g]> Some people dont want to know.
[03:49] <mr---t-> Ive never had to reboot my linux box
[03:49] <matthew_> well no one really cares
[03:50] <kazol> I need to know everything that is going on with the system.
[03:50] <[ifr0g]> kazol, Do  you care how your car works before you can dirve it ?
[03:50] <kazol> Yes, I am obsessed with technology.
[03:50] <jaakkome> treating users like complete idiots is generally speaking a good idea
[03:50] <[ifr0g]> or mictowave.
[03:50] <kazol> jaakkome: True, else people would be invoking "rm -rf */*"
[03:51] <kazol> oops, I meant /*
[03:51] <kazol> I believe that consumer technology is too "simple" to use.
[03:51] <matthew_> most people dont really care how a computer works, they just want to check their mail and watch porn, you dont need linux to do that. windows is designed for the computer illiterate
[03:52] <[ifr0g]> excatly ^^
[03:52] <kazol> of course
[03:52] <kazol> But not all people are computer/technology illiterate.
[03:52] <matthew_> majority are though
[03:52] <kazol> For example, developers and sysadmins.
[03:53] <matthew_> k...
[03:53] <matthew_> is that the majority of PC users?
[03:53] <matthew_> no.
[03:53] <jaakkome> yes and computers are quite complex devices nowadays... I had a decent understanding of how my C64 worked. Now it'd take me years to figure out even the basics of how my video card works.
[03:53] <[ifr0g]> :)
[03:54] <kazol> Computer hardware engineering is not an easy occupation.
[03:55] <kazol> The Windows platform isn't flexible at all...for example, I cannot install it to my wifi router (8MB RAM).
[03:55] <matthew_> so what?
[03:55] <kazol> Or iPod, pda, etc.
[03:55] <matthew_> thats not what it was designed for
[03:55] <[ifr0g]> lol
[03:56] <kazol> I cannot choose my desktop environment...KDE/GNOME/xfce/etc. or just a CLI.
[03:56] <matthew_> it was designed to be a desktop GUI for the average idiot, not something to load onto your microwave
[03:56] <kazol> I hate using the GUI...it's too slow and has minimal functionality.
[03:57] <[ifr0g]> Windows will become the minority preety soon.
[03:57] <matthew_> slow? maybe in vista, XP is very fast for me and is very functional.
[03:57] <matthew_> and no, windows will always be on top
[03:57] <kazol> Vista's hardware requirements are simply ridiculous.
[03:57] <matthew_> i agree
[03:57] <matthew_> vista is stupid
[03:57] <[ifr0g]> same.
[03:57] <matthew_> and bugged
[03:57] <kazol> Of course Windows will always be popular.
[03:57] <jaakkome> windows is very fast for me to use: I just click the "world of warcraft" icon on my desktop and off I go
[03:58] <[ifr0g]> lol :D
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> matthew_: why are you baiting people here?
[03:58] <kazol> jaakkome: But very new hardware is needed, and Windows tends to accumilate unneeded files over time.
[03:58] <matthew_> baiting is fun
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> stop
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> this is a support channel for kubuntu
[03:58] <matthew_> i just jumped in...
[03:58] <kazol> Hence you see *nix DNS servers running for >10yrs. 24/7.
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> if you must, use the offtopic channels
[03:59] <[ifr0g]> Opps, did i just start a distro war :o
[03:59] <[ifr0g]> OS*
[03:59] <matthew_> lol, k, maybe you should go after the fire starters then
[03:59] <kazol> Yes, I believe you did. lol.
[03:59] <matthew_> why single me out?
[03:59] <kazol> And I exacerbated it.
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> reading further back, that pretty much applies to everyone involved
[03:59] <[ifr0g]> :D ok, guys linux is the winner. Case closed.
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> matthew_: wasn't reading back far enough, i apologize for singling you out
[04:00] <Daisuke_Ido> should have just been:
[04:00] <Daisuke_Ido> !offtopic
[04:00] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[04:00] <[ifr0g]> Lets talk about linux :)
[04:00] <kazol> [ifr0g]: I guess that I do agree that linux is only for certain users, as seen from the failure of the Linux PC at Walmart.
[04:00] <matthew_> lolk
[04:01] <[ifr0g]> :)
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> kazol: now you made me get involved.  failure?  they couldn't keep it on the shelves.
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i want one :(
[04:01] <kazol> Fortunately, user-friendly distros (notably Kubuntu and Ubuntu) are bringing Linux to the masses.
[04:01] <matthew_> oh yea. the asus eee is pretty popular too
[04:01] <[ifr0g]> lol :D
[04:01] <matthew_> although you can get a stripped down version of XP on it...
[04:02] <Daisuke_Ido> kazol: i think part of the gpc's failure with the masses (enthusiasts love the low power little buggers) is that gOS isn't very polished
[04:02] <kazol> I guess so, and many other reasons.
[04:02] <kazol> For example, the average user will not figure out how to install Turbotax or iTunes.
[04:02] <asobi> to upgrade to hardy from gutsy, i just update from adept?
[04:03] <kazol> (Assuming the OS will have Firefox, OpenOffice, Thunderbird, vlc, etc.)
[04:03] <mr---t-> that would be a down grade
[04:03] <jaakkome> asobi: yes, there should be a button for that there
[04:03] <[ifr0g]> OK, Got to reboot my fresh kernel. brb..
[04:03] <mr---t-> sorry misread
[04:03] <asobi> ok. what are possible things that could go wrong after upgrade?
[04:03] <asobi> is there anything i should do beforehand?
[04:04] <matthew_> backup
[04:04] <matthew_> as always
[04:04] <cpk1> asobi: the system might be left unstable
[04:04] <asobi> why unstable?
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> asobi: well, the world could end, fire could rain down from the skies, obliterating life as we know it...  of course, that would be completely coincidental, but would count as something that went wrong after an upgrade
[04:04] <cpk1> in my experience it is really hit and miss
[04:04] <cpk1> I have never successfully upgraded but I hear from tons of people who have no problems
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i personally prefer a clean install, and therefore keep my /home on a separate partition
[04:05] <asobi> do i uninstall anything?
[04:05] <cpk1> asobi: technically the upgrader should do it all for you
[04:05] <asobi> my home is on a separate partition
[04:05] <cpk1> you just cross your fingers
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> asobi: then you have a lot less to worry about
[04:06] <cpk1> at this point you might want to just wait until the next release though =P
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> because if something does go wrong, you can install fresh and you won't have as big a problem getting everything together
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> cpk1: why?  it's lts
[04:06] <mr---t-> Ive done it both ways but only the clean install was trouble free
[04:06] <[ifr0g]> Did i miss something?
[04:06] <asobi> i have ff3 beta 4 now, would it upgrade auto after update?
[04:06] <desmond> !firefox
[04:07] <mr---t-> cpk1: wait till october?
[04:07] <asobi> that's 2 people who had problems upgrading -_-
[04:07] <cpk1> Daisuke_Ido: afaik kubuntu 8.04 isnt lts?
[04:07] <matthew_> yea
[04:07] <jaakkome> well, I had no trouble, if you're taking polls
[04:08] <asobi> how long will it take?
[04:08] <cpk1> oh, nm just kde4 remix isnt lts
[04:08] <Odd-rationale> neither is LTS, iirc...
[04:09] <cpk1> Kubuntu 8.04 features the rock solid KDE 3 and is supported for 18 months (until October 2009). from the site
[04:09] <cpk1> oh yeah thats normal
[04:09] <cpk1> not lts
[04:09]  * cpk1 smacks head
[04:12] <asobi> when i upgrade, i just let it run in the background?
[04:18] <[ifr0g]> lol, every one is gone to sleep :)
[04:18] <[ifr0g]> asobi, well its good to keep a log as you do it bg.
[04:21] <mr---t-> ZZZZZZZZZ
[04:21] <asobi> kde just died
[04:24] <mot_> I LIKE THE INTERNET
[04:24] <mot_> (and so can you)
[04:25] <darkwolf> hello everyone
[04:31] <mr---t-> not much C in the irc 2nite
[04:34] <darkwolf> I am trying to set up my Epson C84 Stylus with the KDE Print Wizard, but I am lost at the first dialogue :(
[04:34] <darkwolf> the local printer option is greyed out
[04:35] <rav> hello. i read that kubuntu 8.04.1 is out and I wonder if the differences are enough to justify updating from 8.04, and if updating will require some fiddling before having it functional (as with wifi, nvidia, etc)
[04:36] <rav> darkwolf: is the printer plugged in and turned on?
[04:37] <darkwolf> yep
[04:37] <darkwolf> okay now all the options are greyed out
[04:37] <rav> darkwolf: is it a usb printer?
[04:37] <darkwolf> I will stop messing around with it now... :(
[04:38] <darkwolf> nope
[04:38] <darkwolf> parallel port
[04:39] <darkwolf> I mean, ony my own, any advice would be appreciated :)
[04:39] <rav> darkwolf: hmm... no idea about those. when i had kde printer troubles, i used the cups interface and i could install the printers with that. try this http://localhost:631/
[04:40] <mr---t-> what do you mean by wizard?
[04:42] <asobi> flash works in konqueror but not firefox
[04:42] <mr---t-> darkwolf:  what do you mean bt print wizard , wizard is a windows term
[04:42] <rav> darkwolf: you should also make sure you have the drivers, in aptitude.
[04:42] <nuxil> mr---t-,  lol
[04:43] <darkwolf> sorry mr t
[04:43] <darkwolf> you get the idea though :)
[04:43] <darkwolf> I have been nothing but Linux for four months now (except work), but old habits die hard
[04:43] <darkwolf> this is the first time I have tried to add printer support
[04:44] <mr---t-> I really meant the question, I have two diferent setup options in my system settings which are you using
[04:44] <darkwolf> its under system settings
[04:45] <mr---t-> yes I have two one with an icon and one w/o
[04:45] <darkwolf> under the computer admin section I select the Printers icon
[04:45] <darkwolf> now when I open it I get the following error:
[04:46] <mr---t-> yes?
[04:46] <nuxil> darkwolf, set the printing syste
[04:47] <darkwolf> Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager: Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: /var/run/cups/cups.sock: connection refused (10)
[04:47] <nuxil> to cups and check if the deamon is running
[04:47] <darkwolf> how do I switch the printing system to cups?
[04:48] <nuxil> in Printing system settings
[04:49] <darkwolf> let me reboot, I'll brb
[04:50] <nuxil> ehh
[04:50] <mr---t-> reboot lol
[04:50] <nuxil> yeah
[04:51] <nuxil> he might have internal fw issues or premission issues.
[04:51] <nuxil> onnection refused (10)
[04:51] <nuxil> +c
[04:51] <mr---t-> I d bet the latter
[04:53] <[ifr0g]> ZZZZZZZZZ
[04:53] <darkwolf> okay back
[04:53] <darkwolf> okay so after I slect CUPs, then what?
[04:54] <darkwolf> the option is Remote Cups Server (IPP/HTTP), correct?
[04:56] <darkwolf> ....
[04:57] <darkwolf> so square 1, how do I install an epson c84 in Kubuntu? it is hooked up and turned on
[05:00] <mr---t-> darkwolf:  first of all linux almost never needs reboots, second are you trying to install through system settings or through system menu?
[05:02] <mr---t-> darkwolf: ?
[05:02] <tmbg_> reminds me, I forgot to remind my work buddy about the reboot thing. he keeps rebooting his machine for stupid stuff like changing sources.list
[05:04] <mr---t-> darkwolf: the reason i ask is because one of the two is full screen and the administator button may be covered by your toolbar, in which case you can't make changes thus greyed out
[05:05] <mr---t-> o well
[05:06] <darkwolf> sorry, I'm here
[05:06] <darkwolf> don't goooooooo
[05:06] <darkwolf> well the reboot worked this time
[05:06] <darkwolf> through system settings
[05:07] <mr---t-> do you now have a working printer
[05:07] <darkwolf> not yet
[05:07] <darkwolf> I mean nothing is greyed out
[05:07] <mr---t-> what do you mean the reboot worked then
[05:07] <mr---t-> o
[05:08] <mr---t-> did you see my post about full screen ect
[05:08] <darkwolf> yeah
[05:09] <mr---t-> can you see your button?
[05:09] <darkwolf> nothing is being covered by the toolbar
[05:09] <nuxil> u not answering the q
[05:09] <darkwolf> yeah, I am in administrator mode
[05:09] <nuxil> :)
[05:09] <mr---t-> yes thats what i was getting at
[05:10] <darkwolf> I see the button, I clicked it and entered my password :)
[05:10] <darkwolf> right above it says print system currently used; Cups
[05:11]  * darkwolf is still here :)
[05:11] <mr---t-> I set mine up through system>printing and thought that way was easier
[05:12] <kitetsu> hi
[05:12] <kitetsu> anybody from mexico??
[05:12] <nuxil> !me
[05:12] <nuxil> heh :)
[05:12] <mr---t-> lol
[05:13] <kitetsu> nuxil...are you mexican??
[05:13] <darkwolf> I don't even see that
[05:13] <nuxil> kitetsu, ! means not
[05:14] <mr---t-> kmenu> system> printing
[05:14] <darkwolf> I don't see such an option
[05:14] <kitetsu> oh ok...
[05:14] <darkwolf> closest thing is HPLIP Toolbox
[05:14] <kitetsu> excuse me nuxil
[05:14] <mr---t-> are you using kde3
[05:15] <nuxil> DarkriftX, press ALT F2 type Systemsettings
[05:16] <nuxil> oh,, that was @ darkwolf
[05:16] <darkwolf> I am using Gutsy Gibbon 7.10
[05:16] <darkwolf> so if that has KDE 3, then yeah
[05:17] <mr---t-> o
[05:17] <darkwolf> okay I typed it, that menu is what I have been using to get to the "printers" manager I have been talking about
[05:17] <anom01y> what package do I need for kaffeine / mplayer to play dvd's ??
[05:17] <mr---t-> !dvd
[05:18] <campvfd> any one have a inspiron 1525 ?
[05:18] <nuxil> darkwolf, when you press in that add printer wizard button. use the top choise
[05:18] <nuxil> after nect
[05:19] <nuxil> local printer
[05:19] <campvfd> had a question about the last round of updates
[05:19] <kitetsu> what is the best?? gutsy or hardy??
[05:20] <darkwolf> okay I did it
[05:20] <darkwolf> now I select LPT1 correct?
[05:20] <campvfd> hardy
[05:20] <kitetsu> i think the same campvfd
[05:20] <kitetsu> hardy is more stable
[05:21] <nuxil> darkwolf, if im correct.. thats paralell port is it a usb printer ?
[05:21] <campvfd> yup and tells me when somthing is wrong
[05:21] <darkwolf> no, its a parallel port
[05:21] <nuxil> ok
[05:22] <campvfd> any way why  did the dell driver for wifi break ? on the 1525 inspiron ?
[05:22] <campvfd> after the updates
[05:22] <campvfd> ??
[05:23] <nuxil> darkwolf next. go to http://www.linuxprinting.org/ go and see if your printer is supported
[05:23] <nuxil> campvfd, degrade the kernel
[05:24] <nuxil> or compile your own
[05:24] <nuxil> its probealy a bug in the driver.
[05:25] <darkwolf> okay I select one of the drivers for my printer, then when I test it it says page successfully went to the printer... and nothing happens.
[05:25] <campvfd> well got it working using the windows driver but need the update for our fire fighter software
[05:26] <campvfd> wish they release source
[05:26] <campvfd> nuxil any one else report the problem ?
[05:27] <nuxil> i had the same problem with my wifi card after a update. i had to compile a older kernel
[05:28] <nuxil> but using the old kernel i guess is good enough
[05:28] <nuxil> have you tried that?
[05:28] <campvfd> no  to many kmods with the ff software to do that
[05:29] <nuxil> try with make oldconfig
[05:29] <nuxil> instead of a bran new config
[05:30] <campvfd> will it overwrite the current kernal
[05:30] <nuxil> it will try to generate a config like the one the kernel is using,.
[05:31] <campvfd> ok i'll try that thanks
[05:32] <nuxil> hope u get it working
[05:33] <campvfd> nuxil does bluetooth suport computer to computer sharing of files under ubuntu ?
[05:34] <nuxil> sure if you set it up. but that can be a pain in tha ass
[05:34] <nuxil> there are some guide on how to do that
[05:34] <nuxil> but be sure to make a lot of coffee, if you intend to transfere big files :p
[05:34] <campvfd> is it slow
[05:35] <darkwolf> http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_C84
[05:35] <darkwolf> it is supposed to work
[05:35] <nuxil> bluetooth in general is slow. even version 2 is slow. but way faster than version 1
[05:35] <darkwolf> but it does say it cannot be tested by sending text to it... wtf?
[05:36] <campvfd> ok thanks
[05:37] <ojanx> heloo all
[05:38] <ojanx> any cant help me.. i want to install my nokia 9300 with OS linux
[05:39] <nuxil> ojanx, cable or bluetooth ?
[05:39] <ojanx> cable
[05:43] <jaakkome> how can I remove kde4 without messing kde3 up?
[05:45] <jaakkome> is it enough to remove kdelibs5, kde4base-data and kde4libs-data?
[05:48] <darkwolf> GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH For Hates sake I spit at thee
[05:49] <leaszumik> buenas...
[06:16] <hangthedj> How do you set the default browser in kmail from konqueror to firefox?
[06:17] <dsmith_> good question
[06:18] <hangthedj> There is a setting for it in akregator but not kmail.  and i can't find the place in kcontrol where you set the default browser.
[06:23] <Jucato> hangthedj: KControl -> KDE Components -> Component Chooser
[06:28] <_2> i heard someone tell that there was no such thing as a pci modem.   that is true ?
[06:37] <sigma_12> kde-devel
[07:00] <tmbg_> /dev/scd0 seems not to be a cdrom device: Resource temporarily unavailable
[07:00] <tmbg_> dirty disc, or what? (k3b) :/
[07:06] <_2> let me say again,   i heard someone tell that there is no such thing as a pci modem     is that true ?
[07:07] <papabean> _2: I'd be surprised if that were true.
[07:07] <_2> papabean have you ever seen/heard of a pci modem ?
[07:08] <papabean> _2: We're talking about a modem card for a PCI slot, right?
[07:08] <_2> yes
[07:08] <_2> not a winmodem.
[07:08] <papabean> Ahh...PCI-slot hardware modem?
[07:08] <papabean> In rough terms.
[07:08] <_2> that's what i said,  yes.
[07:10] <_2> rough terms ?
[07:10] <papabean> _2: You know, I'd be surprised to hear that there are NO PCI modems that aren't winmodems.
[07:10] <papabean> rough terms = PCI-slot hardware modem may not be the best description, but it fits.
[07:13] <_2> sorry got kicked offline
[07:13] <_2> last i saw was....  <papabean> In rough terms.
 rough terms ?
[07:13] <papabean> rough terms = PCI-slot hardware modem may not be the best description, but it fits.
[07:14] <papabean> IMHO, you'd be better served by an external anyway.
[07:14] <papabean> Only way to be certain it was hardware-based.
[07:15] <_2> [ -e "pci modem" ] || [ ! -e "pci modem" ]    ?
[07:15]  * _2 needs a good modem.    could even use an isa modem.
[07:16] <_2> why "external"  ?
[07:16] <papabean> Because external modems tend to have all the hardware necessary.
[07:16] <_2> i had one external, "suposed to be modem"   was really a winmodem.
[07:17] <papabean> _2: Really?  Then ignore my previous statement.
[07:17] <_2> :)
[07:17] <papabean> Looking at various websites, I can't see any good way to tell if a "PCI Modem" is winmodem or not.
[07:17] <papabean> Some say "software-based," which tells you right off it's a winmodem.
[07:17] <papabean> Most say nothing at all...leading ME to believe they are all winmodems.
[07:18] <_2> only external "so called modem" i have ever played with... no wait.  i have played with another, it was not mine though.   they were both winmodems
[07:18] <papabean> :(
[07:18] <papabean> It's because it's cheaper to build a device with a DSP and release windows drivers than to build dedicated hardware.
[07:18] <_2> it's because idiots will actually buy that crap.
[07:19] <_2> ;/
[07:19] <_2> <--  /new-nick sucker_#1
[07:19] <papabean> Well, I'm believing the idiots now outnumber the thinkers.
[07:19] <tictric> I was once looking for a good faxmodem and gave up because they where so expensive
[07:19] <tictric> the good ones
[07:20] <_2> papabean probably always have,  just that the ratio is rising
[07:20] <_2> tictric ever seen/heard of a pci "modem" ?
[07:21] <tictric> _2: no :)
[07:21] <tictric> they where all external
[07:21] <tictric> pci would be isdn
[07:21] <_2> well what i was told may be correct...
[07:21] <tictric> but you haven't got that isdn in the states, have you?
[07:22] <_2> isdn ?
[07:22] <tictric> I think on hylafax.org is a list of modems
[07:22] <_2> don't make me google
[07:23] <flaccid> make lol
[07:23] <papabean> tictric: We HAD ISDN and I imagine you can still get it, but CABLE and DSL are considerably more reliable and faster.
[07:23] <tictric> no need to google http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Services_Digital_Network
[07:23] <tictric> faxing over dsl is sort of a pain in the ass :)
[07:24] <tictric> but for internet connection. Yes you're right
[07:24] <papabean> tictric: Point well taken.
[07:24]  * tictric shudders when he remembers his modem or isdn internet connection
[07:25] <tictric> gotta get to a meeting. bbl
[07:25] <djdarkman_> hello, how can I upgrade via internet?
[07:26] <_2> via internet is the only way
[07:26] <papabean> djdarkman_: What do you mean by upgrade?  From 7.10?
[07:26] <djdarkman_> papabean: from 8.04 to  8.04.1
[07:27] <_2> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get disk-upgrade  # ???
[07:27] <papabean> djdarkman_: Someone wiser than me can correct, but I'm going to say:  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  from a terminal window.
[07:27] <papabean> What _2 said.
[07:28] <djdarkman_> ahhhh, I taught 8.04.1 counts as a new release
[07:28] <papabean> Next release is 8.10.
[07:28] <_2> djdarkman no.  but even if it did the methood is the same.
[07:29] <_2> only differance would be running a script or hand editing the sources.list file
[07:29] <_2> same two commands would still do the work
[07:29] <djdarkman_> will 8.10 be a KDE4 only release?
[07:29] <_2> has that quaker fellow been in here today ?
[07:30] <papabean> djdarkman_: I imagine that depends on how KDE itself progresses from here.
[07:30] <_2> CostaRicanQuaker < ^ > that one...
[07:30] <papabean> If the KDE team abandons KDE3 with the exception of bugfixes, etc, then I would venture to say yes.
[07:32] <papabean> Abandons is such harsh phrasing.
[07:32] <_2> but so accurate
[07:32] <Jucato> it isn't
[07:32] <papabean> Well, I know that 4.0 was so broken as to not be of use to many of use KDE loyalists.
[07:33] <_2> Jucato elaborate ?
[07:33] <papabean> But, 4.1 shows promise and much like KDE3, I imagine that 4.2 will be solid enough for the rest of us.
[07:33] <Jucato> 1. there is another 3.5.x release planned.
[07:33] <Jucato> 2. There are still many apps that are not yet ported to KDE 4
[07:34] <_2> 2. is so over looked by the people that come through here...
[07:34] <Jucato> that doesn't make "abandons... so accurate" true
[07:34] <papabean> How difficult is porting from 3 to 4?
[07:34] <_2> Jucato ?
[07:34] <Jucato> papabean: that depends per app
[07:35] <papabean> Jucato: Yeah.  That's why I stated that "abandons" was a little strong.
[07:35] <Jucato> _2: if users overlook a fact, that doesn't make the fact false
[07:36] <Jucato> and there are also distros that would need to continue supporting KDE 3, even if it's from their end only (but these also have KDE developers in their midst)
[07:37] <_2> Jucato what did i miss ?       papabean said "if they abandon..."   and that "abandon was a harsh word,,,"  i said that "abandon was an accurate word" for describing the "if they (the kde guys) stop all developement of..."    i don't think anyone tried to imply that it had been abandoned
[07:38] <papabean> Only because I included "if".
[07:38] <papabean> I used an American "New Journalism" tactic of suggestion.
[07:38] <_2> lol
[07:39] <papabean> Unintentionally, mind you, but I did it just the same.
[07:39] <_2> i'm sorry.   i still read "if" in a "logic circut" type of meaning.    [ blah ]  <<< that's an if blah
[07:41] <_2> so is     if blah ;then umm ;elif boo ;then umm ;else no ;fi
[07:41] <_2> just more elaborate
[07:41] <_2> and where you said that "if such and such happened, then so and so..."   that's how i read it.
[07:42] <_2> so "New Journalism" be damned
[07:42] <papabean> And that's definitely how I meant it as I wrote "from the hip" so to speak.
[07:43] <_2> {wrote "from the hip"}   i like.   :)
[07:43] <papabean> I would imagine that 8.10 is a little different as it's NOT an LTS release.
[07:43] <_2> in my experance,  all LTS really means, is more bugs to work out.
[07:43] <Jucato> neither is 8.04
[07:44] <Jucato> (at least Kubuntu 8.04)
[07:44] <_2> but that's just me.
[07:44] <Jucato> as for Kubuntu 8.10, yes the plan is to have KDE 4.1 as the default and have KDE 3 as the optional one. we'll see
[07:44] <papabean> Jucato: According to the ubuntu homepage, 8.04 is LTS.
[07:44] <Jucato> papabean: Ubuntu is. Kubuntu isn't
[07:45] <papabean> Just got there.  :)
[07:45] <papabean> Will Kubuntu have an LTS release?
[07:45] <Jucato> that totally depends on Canonical
[07:45] <_2> Jucato when kde4 is ready to, umm how you say, take over the kde world; will they drop the 4 and move things back to "normal" places    (and i use the normal tongue in cheek there)
[07:46] <_2> ?
[07:46] <Jucato> _2: that's the plan for 8.10. drop the 4 and move KDE 4 to the "normal" locations, and move KDE 3 to intelikey locations
[07:46] <Jucato> er.. I meant abnormal locations
[07:46] <_2> :)
[07:46] <Jucato> er.. "unusual"... "unorthodox"
[07:46] <_2> :)
[07:47] <_2> stop.
[07:47] <Jucato> this is not a telegram. stop.
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[07:47] <Jucato> anyway. gone. poof
[07:48] <_2> yeah i know.  i'm telling you. to stop.   i don't like being in the fire,    specially when it's true    lol
[07:49] <_2> i mean two adjatives would have been enough.   three was killing me.  and i was afraid there were more on the way
[07:51] <Agent_bob> at least i know what Jucato thinks of me now...  :)
[07:51] <Guest8133> oh the bleedin' nickserv just spook'd me.
[07:58] <soontak> Whenever executed a command, anybody know how to display the current time at left handside of the terminal.
[07:58] <Agent_bob> if i'm back then .
[07:59] <Agent_bob> nothin'
[07:59]  * Agent_bob moves nick to an intelikey place...
[07:59] <tictric> soontak: you mean time?
[08:00] <tictric> man time
[08:00] <Agent_bob> tictric clocking an app ?
[08:01] <tictric> Agent_bob: no I was trying to understand soontak's question just before you reeeeeentered :)
[08:01] <aldin> hi, is there some OSS app that uses postfix log file and inserts in in to database - so i could manipulate with data querying?
[08:01] <Agent_bob> tictric yeah sorry for all the j/p spam
[08:03] <soontak> tictic : i saw somebody using the terminal with time display at left handside
[08:03] <tictric> you see Agent_bob :) ?
[08:04] <Agent_bob> aldin  oss ?   open source sound ?    or foss free open source software ?
[08:04] <aldin> Agent_bob: opensource
[08:05] <Agent_bob> soontak export PS1='\l \t [\u\$\h.\w] '    that kind of time display ?
[08:05] <flaccid> aldin: this is kubuntu support channel
[08:05] <soontak> yeah Agent_bob
[08:06] <soontak> but how can i make it to display at left handside ?
[08:06] <Agent_bob> soontak did you run that command ^ ?
[08:06] <aldin> flaccid: kubuntu has postfix package?
[08:07] <soontak> yeap
[08:07] <Agent_bob> interweb sure is turbulant today
[08:07] <soontak> how about if i wish to display it at right handside ?
[08:07] <flaccid> !info postfix | aldin
[08:07] <Agent_bob> soontak the \t can be anywhere in that "var"
[08:08] <flaccid> aldin: you will probably have better luck on google and #postfix as kubuntu does not come with postfix installed and thats usually a server question as kubuntu is a desktop operating system
[08:08] <Agent_bob> soontak there is also \d if you are instersted
[08:09] <Agent_bob> export PS1='\l [\u@\h.\w]
[08:09] <Agent_bob> > \d \t \! '
[08:10] <Agent_bob> lots of intelikey stuff you can do with prompts.
[08:10] <aldin> flaccid: i am ATM doing both + kubuntu :)
[08:11] <soontak> thank you Agent_bob, if that possible to put it on end of the right handside ?
[08:11] <soontak> means something like this : user@hotname: ls -al                                 15:09:53
[08:12] <flaccid> aldin: yeah, only that here is not the right place
[08:12] <Agent_bob> ummm right hand justify is hard to do in the prompt  but it can be done   with space counting.
[08:13] <Agent_bob> i kinda like this prompt   export PS1='\T
[08:13] <Agent_bob> > \u \w '
[08:15] <Agent_bob> soontak   export PS1='\u \h                                                          \@
[08:15] <Agent_bob> \w \$ '
[08:16] <aldin> flaccid: u never know :)
[08:16] <flaccid> aldin: thats not the point :o
[08:16] <Agent_bob> if you host name is too long and it moves the time to the next line remove some spaces to compensate
[08:16] <Agent_bob> you/your
[08:16] <aldin> flaccid: i know i am kidding excuse me
[08:17] <flaccid> its just a good practice to ask in the right place for obvious reasons
[08:17] <Agent_bob> very obvious
[08:20] <soontak> thank you Agent_bob
[08:20] <llutz> Moin
[08:21] <soontak> Agent_bob: how come i get this result = soontak soontak                                                          03:20 PM~/Desktop $
[08:21] <soontak> by using this : export PS1='\u \h                                                          \@\w \$ '
[08:23] <Agent_bob> soontak maybe you removed the newline i added.
[08:23] <flaccid> bbs
[08:24] <Agent_bob> there is a carrage return between @\
[08:25] <soontak> oh okay, thank you so much for your help
[08:25] <Agent_bob> soontak np
[08:26] <Agent_bob> soontak you do know that you can make things like that sticky by adding it to your ~/.bashrc
[08:26] <Agent_bob> or ~/.bash_bashrc   what ever you use.
[08:26] <soontak> yeah, added it to my bash_profile
[08:27] <Agent_bob> that too
[08:28] <Agent_bob> soontak only thing that i don't like about doing that with prompts is that if you use a terminal emulator rather than a solid console    you can resixe but the prompt is fixed it doesn't justify right for you.
[08:28] <soontak> thats the problem
[08:29] <Agent_bob> yeah,  i know.      but if you use a fixed size terminal... no problemo
[08:31] <soontak> hehe, trying to find is there any way to make it auto justify
[08:33] <Agent_bob> soontak not that i know of.   i played with it some time ago and there didn't seem to be any way then.   i doubt it has changed in the last few years.
[08:34] <soontak> do u think $RPROMPT can resolve this issue ?
[08:36] <_2> soontak man bash /PROMPTING
[08:38] <intelikey> \[ dirty code here \] soontak
[08:39] <vlt> Hello. How can I read and edit the kwallet password file from a shell script? Ay idea?
[08:39] <vlt> Any*
[08:39] <intelikey> vlt err just rm it ?
[08:40] <flaccid> vit: probably can't. if you can #kde might be able to help
[08:40] <intelikey> if you can kde needs to konw.
[08:43]  * _2 grabs self by the shoe laces and pitches self out the window
[08:46] <tuxwulf> So where do I drop my suggestion for Kubuntu?
[08:54] <jussi01> tuxwulf: what kind of suggestion?
[08:55] <tuxwulf> jussi01: Wishlist for featurs, I guess
[08:56] <jussi01> tuxwulf: so like new programs packaged or actual things developed?
[08:56] <jussi01> I would think a bug would be the place imho
[08:56] <tuxwulf> And where is that?
[08:56] <jpds> !bug | tuxwulf
[08:56] <tuxwulf> Actually I meant more basic functionaly
[08:58] <tuxwulf> ... I see... thanks
[09:21] <apparle> Is intrepid 8.10 going to run on KDE4 or 3.5
[09:22] <flaccid> apparle: goto #ubuntu+1
[09:33] <nado> hey there
[09:35] <nado> does anybody know if and when an updated version of pidgin will be available as a package in the repositories? the recent version in the repo is 2.4.1, but there should be 2.4.3 already
[09:35] <jussi01> !ircbug
[09:36] <jussi01> hrmm
[09:36] <llutz> !icqbug
[09:42] <nado> thanks :)
[09:43] <kfar> salut tout le monde
[09:44] <ksal> hi
[09:44] <ksal> can anyone help mi with my 3d acceleration?
[09:48] <dr_Willis> You have installed the proper 3d drivers for your video card? and your card is a ?
[09:48] <flaccid> !ask | ksal
[09:50] <ksal> dr_Willis: i have gf 7300
[09:51] <ksal> i install nvidia-glx-new drivers
[09:51] <dr_Willis> And whats exactly the problem then? How did you install those drivers.
[09:52] <ksal> and i can run compiz if I run those drivers, but max resolution I can use is 640x480
[09:53] <flaccid> ksal: nothing to do with 3d accel. pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:53] <dr_Willis> I normally have to install/run the  folowing tool. to get my res. correct
[09:53] <dr_Willis> nvidia-settings - Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
[09:54] <ksal> oh
[09:54] <ksal> so i'll try
[09:54] <dr_Willis> I have noticed that a lot of times - it depends on which nvidia card and what monitor i got. SOme just dont want to detect the proper res. Untill i get the nvidia drivers going. Some still need tweaked.
[09:55] <dr_Willis> The 'DVI' connected machines seem to  be the least problems.
[09:55] <dr_Willis> ksal,  You are using a LCD monitor? or CRT? How is it connected?
[09:56] <ksal> LCD
[09:56] <flaccid> well this one is commonly a bug in the nvidia driver. its asked here so frequently. we will see the log to see
[09:56] <apparle> I have installed KDE4 and it has juk instead of amarok, what should I do to play mp3
[09:56] <ksal> i don't know how it's connected.
[09:56] <ksal> with a cable :P
[09:57] <flaccid> apparle: you can still use amarok. kde4 questions in #kubuntu-kde4
[09:58] <apparle> flaccid: I donot have net at home so I don't want to install amarok I just want to use the given plaer
[09:59] <flaccid> well it doesn't play for me either..
[09:59] <flaccid> it just sits on 0:00
[10:00] <dr_Willis> Hmm. Amarok is playing here. Not sure if i ever installed any extra mp3 stuff or not.
[10:00] <flaccid> apparle: are you running juk or juk-kde4, please confirm the version in help | about
[10:01] <flaccid> this is not amarok :o
[10:01] <dr_Willis> Hmm.. If he had amarok installed.. and installed kde4.. it shouldent of removed amarok should it?
[10:01] <flaccid> yep
[10:02] <apparle> I installed from 8.01 remix cd so I donot have amarok
[10:03] <flaccid> apparle: i can't get it to work in either juk versions. use a dif player.
[10:06] <apparle> On the site or juk, it says the back ends is aRts or GStreamer etc. Check if we have to configure them
[10:22] <apparle> I have directly installed DKE4 so if I install a KDE3 application, do I have to donwlaod KDE3 files
[10:22] <flaccid> apparle: it will d/l the libs needed automatically for you
[10:28] <apparle> flaccid: I donot have net at home and thats the biggest problem
[10:31] <flaccid> not much you can do about that in regards to updates
[10:35] <shepp> helo  how can i temporary  force Sysnaptic  to use CD instead of web
[10:37] <lg188> hello
[10:39] <dr_Willis> hmm
[10:40] <lg188> ?
[10:40] <DarkriftX> anyone know how i fix my windows wanting attention flashing? it seems to be broken and any app flashes unless i minimize it
[10:41] <DarkriftX> if im chatting here in xchat, then i click on firefox, xchat starts flashing and vice versa
[10:41]  * lg188 installing Kubuntu 8.04
[10:41] <carpx> got a problem ... i just isntalled kubuntu 8.04.1 and created one user in the installation process ... somehow it seems like as i have messed up the password
[10:41] <carpx> so i cant login
[10:42] <lg188> carpx:
[10:42] <lg188> carpx: use ctrl+alt+F1
[10:42] <dr_Willis> Caps Lock stuck on/off? :)
[10:42] <carpx> no capslock^^
[10:43] <lg188> then maybe use it ...
[10:44] <carpx> nono i just wanted to say there is no prob with capslock ... it was 100% turned off while creatinmg the account^^^
[10:44] <lg188> kk
[10:45] <lg188> go in console by ctrl+alt+F1
[10:45] <carpx> when i use ctr alt f1 it just switches to the text shell
[10:45] <carpx> ok i am
[10:45] <lg188> can you login there ?
[10:45] <carpx> no^^
[10:45] <lg188> kk
[10:45] <carpx> as i said i think i mistyped my password @ the installation process^^
[10:45] <dr_Willis> misstyped it twice? :)
[10:46] <lg188> reinstalling ... ?
[10:46] <dr_Willis> boot live cd, chroot over, use passwd command. Is another 'fix'
[10:47] <carpx> dr_Willis that means id chroot the / directory?
[10:48] <dr_Willis> from the live cd, you mount the installed system somewhere like /media/ubuntu  then 'chroot /media/ubuntu'
[10:48] <dr_Willis> !chroot
[10:48] <dr_Willis> Hmm not a good factoid for that..
[10:48] <carpx> ok thx for u help
[10:49] <dr_Willis> Theres proberly some guides out on recovering password/changing them
[10:49] <carpx> y ok ill give it atry
[10:49] <dr_Willis> its not hard.. but if you are totally clueless about the shell/teminal/ and what files/commands to use.. well..
[10:50] <carpx> dr_Willis ill try this http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-recover-password-under-ubuntu.html
[10:51] <dr_Willis> thats one way to do it without a livecd. :)
[10:52] <carpx> thx for mentioning the term password recovering^^
[10:52] <carpx> havent thought about it
[10:53] <mirkoss> kubuntu.pl
[10:53] <dr_Willis> its not really 'recovering' anything.. :) its resetting the password to somthing different
[10:53] <jaakkome> is there an easy way to remove (and reinstall) kde4 without touching kde3?
[10:54] <dr_Willis> jaakkome,  remove/reinstalling kde4 shouldent touch kde3 anyway.  of course remove/reinstalling stuff under linux - rarely fixes any problems
[10:54] <dr_Willis> Unless you went around and removed system files at random. :)
[10:54] <jaakkome> well, no, I didn't do much of anything, it just stopped working completely
[10:55] <lg188> damn my kubuntu is in wrong language
[10:55] <dr_Willis> make a new user, see if it works for that user.
[10:55] <jaakkome> hmm
[10:55] <dr_Willis> if it does work for new user, then some how your kde4 settings are most likely the problem
[10:56] <carpx> omg wtf^^
[10:56] <carpx> just checkt /etc/passwd
[10:57] <carpx> the user in the file was called joahnnes
[10:57] <carpx> not johannes
[10:57] <carpx> -.-
[10:57] <dr_Willis> :)
[10:57] <pentti> this is jaakkome: I was able to log into kde4 with a different user
[10:58] <pentti> but, not much is working
[10:58] <dr_Willis> I dont use kde4 at all. So cant really tell ya much more.
[10:58] <pentti> yep, no worries
[10:59] <dr_Willis> I still consider kde4 very very much a work in progress
[10:59] <pentti> I wasn't planning on using it anyways, just wanted to take a look :]
[10:59] <lg188> installed Kubuntu 8.04 and in wrong language any help ?
[10:59] <dr_Willis> !language
[11:00] <dr_Willis> lol. :)
[11:00] <dr_Willis> !locale
[11:00] <lg188> tx dr_Willis
[11:04] <lg188> oh damn have no internet  conection
[11:05] <lg188> on kubuntu
[11:06] <dr_Willis> 'apt-get install internet-connection' :)
[11:06] <lg188> Wifi hardware is broken
[11:06] <dr_Willis> 'apt-get install real-internet-connection' :)
[11:06] <lg188> you cant install that
[11:07] <dr_Willis> 'apt-get me a beer woman!'
[11:08] <lg188> apt-get beer
[11:17] <doktoreas> hello everybody
[11:17] <doktoreas> is there a way for customizing the application loading if I put the livecd inside windows?
[11:18] <doktoreas> I wanna add more application other then firefox, ecc..
[11:18] <dacorr> doktoreas, to the live cd?
[11:18] <doktoreas> yep
[11:19] <jaakkome> When I installed kde4 I changed the login manager to the kde4 version. How can I change it back?
[11:19] <dacorr> doktoreas, you would need to use a installed deskop version and make it into a live cd
[11:20] <doktoreas> dacorr: currently I am on kubuntu
[11:20] <doktoreas> how can I do that?
[11:20] <Jucato> jaakkome: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm", then when it asks you, choose kdm instead of kdm-kde4
[11:20] <jaakkome> jucato: thanks, that was just the command I was looking for
[11:21] <doktoreas> I already have a customized kubuntu livecd, using UCK
[11:21] <doktoreas> now I am wondering how add that windows application
[11:21] <dacorr> doktoreas, there is a post in the forums about transforming your desktop into a live cd
[11:21] <doktoreas> everything is fine
[11:21] <Jucato> dacorr: he's actually referring to something different
[11:21] <doktoreas> jsut the windows autorun thing
[11:22] <Jucato> I forgot what the name of that project is right now, but it was formerly known as OpenCD.. but either way, you'd have to remaster (remix) the CD
[11:25] <jaakkome> after the dpkg-reconfigure kdm, I can't log out or reboot the computer
[11:25] <jaakkome> um, restart, I mean
[11:25] <jaakkome> it hangs and I have to ctrl-alt-backspace, which puts me back to the kde4 kdm thing
[11:26] <Jucato> it would probably be best to do that while you're not logged in
[11:27] <jaakkome> hmm-m
[11:27] <jaakkome> I changed it back, but am still unable to log out
[11:28] <keyblade9891> sto scaricando dei filmini con kubuntu ke sn uno spettakolo...
[11:29] <jaakkome> I have a bad feeling about switching the power off and then trying to do it again without logging in
[11:29] <dr_Willis> theres always the console.
[11:30] <jaakkome> yes, but I don't know where to begin to fix the problem from the console
[11:30] <bobJR> Go Ahead Grab That Invite Like Your Girlfriend Grabz My Ballz !!
[11:31] <bazhang> !coc > bobJR
[11:33] <dr_Willis> login, change the login manager to antoehr one..
[11:34] <dr_Willis> ive found that if using kde, its best to use kdm, if using gnome, its best to use gdm.. Not sure about kde4 :)
[11:47] <[b]b_> hello, i seem to have a quirk in my new kubuntu 8.04 dvd install
[11:48] <[b]b_> my home IS my desktop- as in, when i create a file in /home/b it shows up on the desktop
[11:48] <[b]b_> wats up
[11:48] <[b]b_> i tried creating separate Desktop folder in home, like it should be- but that folder shows up onm the desktop
[11:49] <dr_Willis> Hmm... you mean /home/USERNAME/Desktop right? not /home/
[11:49] <[b]b_> yes
[11:50] <[b]b_> fresh installed- migrated previous home folder though
[11:50] <dr_Willis> try -->  echo $HOME
[11:50] <dr_Willis> echo $HOME      --->  /home/willis
[11:51] <[b]b_> echo $HOME = /home/b
[11:51] <dr_Willis> Your user name is b ?  Heh.
[11:51] <Tm_T> bobJR: hello?
[11:51] <[b]b_> yes
[11:52] <[b]b_> its like my home folder is symbolic linked to Desktop folder
[11:52] <dr_Willis> try a ls -l and see if it is?
[11:52] <flaccid> ls -ld ~/
[11:52] <[b]b_> no link
[11:52] <dr_Willis> Ive not heard of anyone else having this odd issue.
[11:53] <flaccid> whats the issue, i just got here
[11:53] <dr_Willis> This is kde3 or kde4?
[11:53] <[b]b_> 3
[11:53] <dr_Willis>  /home/username seems to be /home/username/Desktop
[11:53] <flaccid> how so?
[11:53] <dr_Willis> Everything in home shows up on the desktop.
[11:53] <flaccid> but it doesn't show in ls ~/Desktop ?
[11:53] <[b]b_> no
[11:54] <flaccid> [b]b_: file ~/Desktop please
[11:54] <[b]b_> i actually had to create ~/Desktop- it was nonexistent
[11:54] <[b]b_> home/b/Desktop/: directory
[11:55] <flaccid> and what is  ls -ld ~/; ls -ld ~/Desktop
[11:55] <[b]b_> another quirk is that mounted icons still show up on the desktop
[11:55] <flaccid> [b]b_: thats configurable in desktop properties. probably check there first
[11:55] <[b]b_> yea i know.
[11:56] <flaccid> so output of above command, [b]b_?
[11:56] <[b]b_> "drwxr-xr-x 89 b b 4096 2008-07-04 05:47 /home/b/ "
[11:56] <[b]b_> "drwxr-xr-x 2 b b 4096 2008-07-04 06:45 /home/b/Desktop"
[11:56] <[b]b_> looks normal to me
[11:57] <flaccid> yeah. if kde3 is showing things that shouldn't on your desktop then submit a bug. there is a bug like this which shows the / on your desktop for example
[11:58] <[b]b_> ok
[11:58] <dr_Willis> [b]b_,  this was a upgrade or a clean install?
[11:59] <[b]b_> clean install- imported home dir
[11:59] <dr_Willis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/174532
[11:59] <flaccid> that could have something to do with it. #kde may be able to help
[11:59] <dr_Willis> mentions this.
[12:00] <[b]b_> thanks
[12:01] <flaccid> not nice bugs those
[12:02]  * lg188 restarting pc
[12:02] <lg188> kubuntu pc*
[12:06] <bobJR> whats the best system info script for xchat i used one and i got a dual core and it said dual core 1000mhz instead of 2400mhz
[12:06] <dr_Willis> Check at xchat.org
[12:06] <bobJR> ok
[12:06] <bobJR> thanks
[12:06] <dr_Willis> Its possibvle it was showing the current speed of the cpu
[12:09] <mirkoss> pl?
[12:09] <flaccid> !pl
[12:11] <[b]b_> ok, i fuckd up!
[12:11] <[b]b_> i changed paths and now my / is on the desktop
[12:12] <flaccid> joy
[12:12] <[b]b_> i know!
[12:13] <flaccid> dang
[12:13] <bazhang> no cursing [b]b_
[12:14] <[b]b_> sorry
[12:15] <flaccid> you can curse all you like just not with bad language :)
[12:15] <bazhang> just dont type it :)
[12:17] <[b]b_> brb
[12:19] <[b]b_> ok, all is well with the world. visited Launchpad bug 174532 and solution[s] worked
[12:20] <[b]b_> later guys
[12:37] <drbobb> well, i just apt-get install'ed kde4.1 beta, and i'm not greatly impressed
[12:38] <tictric> well done drbobb
[12:38] <drbobb> and btw, what's with desktop icons? is there no option to show them in kde4?
[12:39] <Dr_willis_> kde4 is taking a 'no clutter' desktop approach
[12:39] <Dr_willis_> there are plasmids that let you have icons on the desktop
[12:39] <tictric> but you can have icons on your desktop of course
[12:39] <drbobb> like, where are they?
[12:39] <Dr_willis_> !kde4
[12:40] <drbobb> cool, the q is which package, i can't find any such option
[12:40] <drbobb> ah ok i can ask in the other channel
[12:42] <alakoo> duh..my terminal doesn't even react when I try to run .rpm flash-player, done everything according to instructions, though
[12:42] <octavarium> ciao
[12:44] <drbobb> lots of rough edges in any case. My panel setup doesn't seem to be remembered
[12:45] <drbobb> and the default look of kdm-kde4 is butt-ugly, and can't be configured via system settings
[12:48] <flaccid> !kde4 | drbobb
[12:48] <flaccid> ie. support is not in this channel
[13:04] <kito_> eae r
[13:18] <drbobb> flaccid: i don't really expect support, i know it's unfinished software
[13:19] <drbobb> just venting my views. if that's undesirable, i'll shut up.
[13:19] <FoxIII> I am trying to use tomboy notes, but it only works when I run it from the CLI and not from the menu. Any ideas how to get it working from the menu?
[13:21] <FoxIII> Just got it working.
[13:24] <ngirard> Hi all, how comes that, after performing apt-get remove pulseaudio, aplay still outputs: "*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect" ?
[13:25] <ngirard> (I don't have any /etc/asound.conf)
[13:26] <flaccid> drbobb: just the wrong channel thats all
[13:26] <XV3> good morning
[13:26] <kakinho> good
[13:27] <XV3> i downloaded kubunto .iso
[13:27] <XV3> and
[13:27] <XV3> i wanna put the iso into a pen drive
[13:27] <XV3> how can i do that
[13:27] <XV3> just burn the image into it?
[13:28] <flaccid> !enter | XV3
[13:28] <flaccid> !usb | XV3
[13:28] <XV3> [flaccid]: uh i don't wanna install into a pen drive, i just wanna the iso image there
[13:29] <XV3> lke a live cd
[13:29] <XV3> but into m pendrive
[13:30] <flaccid> XV3: thats what the above is for.
[13:30] <flaccid> i did it myself so i have a portable desktop
[13:30] <XV3> ok thanks alot guys
[13:30] <XV3> me too
[13:31] <flaccid> the factoid just words it as an install but its from the livecd iso ie. livecd is for live and install
[13:33] <rysiek> hi all
[13:33] <flaccid> !hi
[13:33] <rysiek> I need to do some x-server magic here that is so specific, that I am not even able to ask google properly for it
[13:33] <rysiek> thing is: I have a machine that is supposed to act as a "media server"
[13:34] <rysiek> it has a doal-head gfx card (gf8500)
[13:34] <rysiek> the idea is: to head A presentation monitors are connected and a media presentation runs there all the time
[13:35] <rysiek> on head B there is a single monitor for the admin in the media server room
[13:35] <rysiek> first thing I need to get working is starting X, and a single app on X, just after the system sarts, instead of kdm
[13:35] <flaccid> !enter | rysiek
[13:36] <rysiek> flaccid: ok, got that.
[13:36] <flaccid> well X runs out of the box and not sure what the rest you said means
[13:37] <flaccid> multiple displays are configurable if thats your question
[13:37] <rysiek> flaccid: step 1. is rm /etc/rc.*/S*kdm so that kdm does not start
[13:38] <flaccid> rysiek: thats the wrong way to do it. you should remove the kdm package.
[13:38] <rysiek> flaccid: step 2. is create a short script that will start X as a given user and execute a given app - something along the lines of: su -l -c startx some_user
[13:38] <flaccid> thats not right either
[13:38] <rysiek> flaccid: what's right for step2 then
[13:39] <flaccid> well your steps seem to be bad practices
[13:39] <flaccid> what are you trying to achieve?
[13:39] <rysiek> flaccid: I need kdm/kde in case some more complicated things are needed (like playing a movie)
[13:39] <rysiek> flaccid: but the idea is NOT to start  kdm by default, just start X with as some_user, running some_app
[13:40] <flaccid> why?
[13:40] <XV3> and How can i use my wireless using kubuntu? has options there for wireless conections?
[13:40] <flaccid> !wireless | XV3
[13:40] <XV3> [flaccid]: thank u
[13:41] <rysiek> flaccid: why do I need kdm, or why don't I want it to start by default
[13:42] <flaccid> rysiek: you tell me?
[13:43] <rysiek> flaccid: this machine is mainly supposed to play predefined presentations (actually, images with some nice 3d/blur/zoom etc transitions between them) on some 4 LCDs and 4 projectors
[13:43] <rysiek> flaccid: in a club/restaurant
[13:44] <flaccid> rysiek: simply use auto login feature and autostart to launch the app
[13:44] <flaccid> no need to strip back
[13:45] <rysiek> flaccid: yeah, I am doing it right now like that, but thought I could save some resources (not that I dearly need them) by not running kdm; besides, I wanted to know how to do exactly that - strip down
[13:45] <inok> bgg
[13:45] <Tinason> whats a good kde news (nntp) client?
[13:45] <inok> hi all
[13:46] <rysiek> Tinason: I'd say KMail/KNode
[13:46] <flaccid> rysiek: the resource saving will be very minimal. but like i said initially you are welcome to remove the kdm package
[13:46] <suwro> !lufs
[13:46] <suwro> hello
[13:46] <rysiek> flaccid: roblem is I on't want to remove kdm package
[13:46] <suwro> anyone know what happend with lufs? or is there any other method to mount a ftp ?
[13:46] <rysiek> flaccid: I just don't need it on very start :)
[13:47] <rysiek> flaccid: and without it I am unable to automagically start Xserver as a given user and run a given app
[13:47] <flaccid> rysiek: thats not the point. im sure there are many default services etc. that launch on startup that use more resources
[13:47] <Tinason> thanks
[13:47] <flaccid> rysiek: thats because you broke the package
[13:47] <rysiek> what package
[13:47] <flaccid> kdm
[13:48] <flaccid> also its bad practice to run X auto under a given user..
[13:48] <inok> rysiek: just make autologin
[13:48] <rysiek> flaccid: I didn't brake the package, I just removed the symlinks from rc.X
[13:48] <rysiek> inok: yeah, got it already
[13:48] <rysiek> flaccid: anywhoo, let's say this solution (autologin) stays
[13:48] <rysiek> now fast forward to problem #2
[13:48] <flaccid> rysiek: that essentially broke it. the ubuntu distro checks which login manager you have configured...
[13:48] <flaccid> pfft
[13:49] <rysiek> while the presentation on head A is underway and showing on those lcd's/projectors, I would like to log-in to KDE on head B - or, alternatively (even better!) with remote X connection (through ssh x forwarding)
[13:50] <drbobb> it used to be that you could change the default runlevel in /etc/inittab, so as not to start a dm
[13:50] <drbobb> but with ubuntu's new init system, i don't know what replaces inittab
[13:51] <flaccid> !xdmcp | rysiek
[13:51] <rysiek> thing is: I basically found how-to's on how to make remote login work, but NOT while there is another session underway; I haven't found any how-to's on two different sessions on head A/head B
[13:51] <rysiek> flaccid: yeah, I have that one already ;)
[13:52] <flaccid> you may also want to check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
[13:52] <von> Hello
[13:52] <von> Some of my CUPS printers are visible in Kate but not in firefox,openoffice,... How to add them?
[13:52] <flaccid> but the way you want to do it is wrong. but you are welcome to do what you want..
[13:52] <rysiek> flaccid: what way. I said that autologin stays
[13:53] <rysiek> flaccid: I understood what you guys told me, and adjusted accordingly
[13:53] <von> I can't find anything in System Settings -Printers   panel
[13:55] <rysiek> inok: one issue with autologin still buggers me: it auto-logins to the last session type; now, I have two session types: KDE and my own, pressentation-centric; when I come by and login to the KDE session so that I could play something more than the presentation, and then turn the machine off, next tme it auto-loginsinto the KDE session.
[13:55] <rysiek> flaccid: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[13:55] <rysiek> flaccid: is there a way I can make kdm *always* auto-login into a specified session?
[13:56] <rysiek> flaccid: not the "last"/"saved" one
[13:56] <flaccid> in your case you disable sessions and only use autostart. i was just looking and because of the way ubuntu is designed, it doesn't seem like there is a graceful way to do no login manager. but from memory simply removing kdm is suffice so not sure the actual effect.
[13:56] <flaccid> rysiek: you are better to just turn off sessions
[13:57] <rysiek> flaccid: ok, and when I need to get into KDE, instead into my pressentation session?
[13:57] <flaccid> if you are going to use kde then you should use auto login and if not then yeah
[13:57] <rysiek> flaccid: we're talking about X/KDM, *not* KDE, sessions here
[13:58] <flaccid> in that case for a second X session you want to read up on how to use startx on another tty and the param used to launch a script or app in the params
[13:59] <leitz> If I want to add hardy-backports to my Kubuntu repository, do I need to add the entire line "deb..." seperately or can I just add hardy-backports somewhere in a config file?
[13:59] <flaccid> that can even be called from the autostart on the primary sessions, rysiek
[13:59] <rysiek> eh
[13:59] <flaccid> leitz: the entry is one line or you can simply add in adept manager
[13:59] <rysiek> flaccid: I think I have been isunderstood. I am not talking about KDE sessions. I am talking about X/KDM sessions. i.e. those selectable in KDM under Options -> Session Type
[14:00] <flaccid> rysiek: and?
[14:00] <rysiek> flaccid: I have created such a session, with my own session script, starting only the pressentation app I need
[14:00] <flaccid> well im confused. im not sure on exactly what you want/need
[14:00] <rysiek> flaccid: and in Options -> Session Type now I have "Default", "KDE", "my_own_session"
[14:01] <flaccid> yeah thats the default session type from kdm
[14:01] <ziggy_> will KDE 3 still be an option in the next kubuntu?
[14:01] <rysiek> flaccid: pretty much like when you have GNOME ad KDE and you can choose between those in KDM/GDM
[14:01] <flaccid> ziggy_: goto #ubuntu+1 and ask
[14:01] <flaccid> !intrepid | ziggy_
[14:01] <rysiek> flaccid: yeah, now it works this way that when the system boots-up and kdm starts, it auto-logins *into the last used session*
[14:02] <leitz> flaccid: Got it, thanks! Learning Kubunty, Adept, and a few other things at once.  :)
[14:02] <rysiek> flaccid: so, if I have been using KDE last time I was on that machine, it will auto-login into KDE sesson
[14:02] <rysiek> flaccid: ad if I have started the presentation session - it will start the pressentation one
[14:02] <cara> hello all, still having that issue with the kde systemsettings.  They're not setting, I'm running the command "kdesu systemsettings" and I goes to update everything and it never does.  In fact the other day I let it "update" overnight I waited almost 20 hours and nothing has happened. In fact when I came back the update screen had started over again.  It starts over and over and never finishes.  Is there something I can do about this?
[14:03] <rysiek> flaccid: everything clear upt to this point?
[14:03] <flaccid> rysiek: still don't understand. anyway its all possible with the startx command
[14:03] <rysiek> flaccid: yeah, as a given user, and that was exactly what I was trying to use. [as root] su -l -c startx some_user
[14:04] <rysiek> flaccid: and after I said that, you said "it's a bad thing, use autologin"
[14:05] <rysiek> flaccid: now I am using autologin and trying to tell you thatI need it to always login into a GIVEN session, nt the LAST ACTIVE one
[14:05] <rysiek> flaccid: and you tell me to use startx
[14:05] <rysiek> flaccid: so, what's the deal, actually
[14:05] <flaccid> like i said from the start, you can remove kdm
[14:05] <flaccid> !enter | rysiek
[14:05] <von> Some of my CUPS printers are visible in Kate but not in firefox,openoffice,... How to add them?
[14:06] <cara> von is only one available in each? I think they may use the default printer.
[14:06]  * cara may be wrong
[14:07] <flaccid> rysiek: also like i said, problem is that ubuntu checks login manager. you can try /etc/rc.local and run your startx command after removing X that minght work
[14:08] <flaccid> rysiek: you may wanna checkout the xinit -- :1 and startx -- :1 commands ...
[14:08] <rysiek> flaccid: ok, forget about rc.local. just tell me if you know a way to make KDM automagically log-in to a GIVEN, SPECIFIED session, NOT the last used one
[14:08] <flaccid> err ok
[14:08] <flaccid> i dont know everything but i will check if i can
[14:10] <rysiek> I tried to use startx as a specified user but it fails with some "is not authorised" message, so kdm autologin it shall probably be
[14:10] <flaccid>  rysiek if you kill kdm then you can startx under any user
[14:10] <flaccid> as in sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop and if you had removed the kdm package it won't be running so you can do it
[14:10] <von> cara: No I've several CUPS printers visible in kate and in firefox/openoffice/... but not all
[14:11] <rysiek> flaccid: thing is, it (the pressentation app under X) has to start automagically after system bootup
[14:11] <flaccid> also just looking now like i said before because of the ubuntu design, it looks like if you want to change this then you will have to edit the inittab
[14:12] <flaccid> X has to be up first for the app to run and be launched within that pts
[14:12] <rysiek> whatever. kdm, autologin, google
[14:12] <flaccid> rysiek: if this was something like freebsd it would be an easy affair. but from my knowledge i don't see a way in ubuntu
[14:12] <flaccid> because of its design..
[14:13] <flaccid> im probably not the best one to help
[14:13] <rysiek> ok, thanks anyway
[14:13] <flaccid> whatever.
[14:13] <rysiek> btw, ubuntu is linux, so there *is* a way :)
[14:13] <drbobb> flaccid: so back to my question: where is the inittab?
[14:13] <rysiek> /etc/inittab
[14:13] <rysiek> drbobb: ^^^
[14:14] <rysiek> oops
[14:14] <rysiek> my bad
[14:14] <flaccid> rysiek: ubuntu is a linux distro. of course there is a way. but i aint wasting my time hacking it, but you can.
[14:14] <rysiek> yup
[14:15] <drbobb> flaccid: nope.
[14:15] <drbobb> ups, rysiek
[14:15] <rysiek> drbobb: /etc/event.d/
[14:15]  * flaccid yawns
[14:18] <flaccid> you basically want runlevel 1 and then go from there. but yeah i aint done this stuff before on ubuntu
[14:20] <flaccid> all you need is something like this http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-and-ubuntu-linux-run-levels.html
[14:21] <rysiek> flaccid: yeah, thanks
[14:21] <flaccid> np
[14:26] <Shad|-_-> salut !
[14:59] <mofux> hi, just wanted to ask what the difference between -desktop and alternate cd's is
[15:00] <mofux> i want to download the kubuntu-kde4 8.04.1 release
[15:00] <bazhang> alternate is text-based and offers a few more options; desktop is live cd and gui install
[15:01] <bazhang> mofux, ^^
[15:01] <mofux> thanks bazhang
[15:01] <dar_> elo
[15:01] <dar_> do you knwo a way to rpevent arp cache poisonning ?
[15:01] <mofux> i think desktop will do for me then
[15:02] <bazhang> #kubuntu-kde4 is their channel mofux :)
[15:02] <mofux> yup, just joined
[15:30] <ImperialJester> Ugh, mornings suck.
[15:31] <ImperialJester> So if I switch my desktop to GNOME again, can I still run my KDE games?
[15:33] <bazhang> ImperialJester, yes
[15:34] <william> what i would like to do is this: make a linux folder able to be viewed and accessed by anyone in the LAN (including windows and *buntus)
[15:53] <RedFace> where can i find the commands, that the XF86-Keycodes execute? i want to change some of them
[16:01] <ImperialJester> William: I think if you right click a folder, and 'share', you can do that. But I'm not positive.
[16:11] <minhaaj> my internet won't work in linux it works in windows
[16:11] <minhaaj> can someone help me ? i was using automatic login PPPoE before. They moved me on Bridge because my port was hanged and now its good but i can't use internet on linux
[16:22] <Pennycook> Does anybody know of any monitor-testing/optimisation applications for Ubuntu?
[16:30] <sebastian_> where do i activate my wireless connection?
[16:36] <mofux> hi, i'm having heavy problems connecting to the internet with my netgear wg121 wirless lan adapter
[16:36] <mofux> knetworkmanager stucks at 28%
[16:37] <mofux> i installed ndiswrapper and installed the windows driver for my device successfully
[16:37] <mofux> the output of iwconfig wlan0 also looks nice
[16:37] <_CrashMaster_> mofux: Sounds like a DHCP or Encryption problem.
[16:38] <mofux> should i try to use wpa_supplicant?
[16:38] <mofux> (i guess that's what knetworkmanager does as well?)
[16:38] <_CrashMaster_> Are you using WPA encrytion?
[16:38] <_CrashMaster_> God I can't spell today
[16:38] <mofux> yup, wpa1 tkip
[16:39] <mofux> at least knetworkmanager finds all those wirless networks
[16:39] <mofux> so the driver seems to work
[16:39] <mofux> it's just the connection that is referred
[16:39] <mofux> *refused
[16:40] <_CrashMaster_> Well, Im not entirely sure how to fix the issue (I don't utilize wireless encryption)
[16:40] <_CrashMaster_> But, Im relatively certain that's where your problem is.
[16:40] <mofux> yeah, that would be my guess as well
[16:40] <_CrashMaster_> Entirely unhelpful, I know. But Im still working my way through the linux learning tree :)
[16:41] <markit> hi, need to install k9copy 2.0.2, any debs avalilable? (hardy + kde4)
[16:41] <mofux> hehe, me too
[16:44] <_CrashMaster_> mofux: You've checked ubottu for wpa docs, yes?
[16:45] <sito> hi
[16:45] <mofux> _CrashMaster_, no
[16:45] <mofux> what is ubottu?
[16:46] <_CrashMaster_> !wpa | mofux
[16:50] <Alex135> I tried duel booting windows and (K)Ubuntu on the same hdd but for some reason when i installed Ubuntu, it resized the windows partition to 4 gb and took the rest for its own when i wanted to split it reasonably even between the two... Is there a way i can resize the Ubuntu partition smaller and the Windows partition bigger without loosing all the work i have done so far?
[16:51] <Alex135> this is on a laptop btw, not this computer
[16:53] <geom> Alex135, using GParted ?
[16:53] <Alex135> geom, i cant repartition the Ubuntu partition if im booted into it i dont think
[16:54] <Alex135> it wont let me, has the lock on the Ubuntu partition and wont let me modify it except for flags
[16:55] <Alex135> geom, it wont let me unmount it, since its mounted to /
[16:56] <geom> Alex135, then reboot using the LiveCD and resize partition using that..
[16:56] <Alex135> geom, does it have gparted on the live cd? (i didn't know if it did or not)
[16:57] <geom> yeah i think it does.
[16:57] <geom> i dont use gnome/kubuntu so wouldnt be sure. but if it doesnt you could always use fdisk..
[16:58] <Alex135> geom, i have both KDE and gnome on my ubuntu installs, sure hope is has it though... i spent all of yesterday setting things up in linux and now i find that windows is really small
[16:59] <AndrewMohawk> has anyone had an issue in kubuntu with the machine locking up after the screensaver has been on for like 4hours+ ?
[17:00] <Alex135> geom, trying it now, however the live cd takes forever to see all the hardware on my dang laptop
[17:01] <geom> ah ohk. brb. reboot
[17:01] <Alex135> k
[17:07] <Red_Wraith> Hello all.
[17:19] <Guest74774> www.tucarro,
[17:19] <Guest74774> .
[17:21] <Thomas_annoyed> hey all, freshly installed Kubuntu 8.04 and now I'm wondering if they took out the System Settings option in the KMenu
[17:22] <Riddell> Thomas_annoyed: nope
[17:23] <Thomas_annoyed> then this is pretty weird
[17:23] <Thomas_annoyed> is there another way to access the System Settings window (and not Control Center [kcontrol])
[17:25] <ubuntu> ae povo
[17:25] <ubuntu> \o
[17:25] <ubuntu> ajuda
[17:25] <ubuntu> alguem aew?
[17:26] <Thomas_annoyed> the one that looks like this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/images/kg08.gif
[17:26] <Odd-rationale> !es | ubuntu
[17:26] <Jucato> !br | ubuntu
[17:26] <markit> hi new people, I need to install k9copy 2.0.2, any debs avalilable? (hardy + kde4)
[17:27] <Jucato> Thomas_annoyed: KDE 3?, should be there above Find Files/Folders. if not, press Alt+F2, "systemsettings"
[17:27] <Thomas_annoyed> it is not in my Kmenu as is in the picture I linked and to what you described
[17:28] <Thomas_annoyed> I alt+F2 and type "systemsettings" without quotes and this is the exact response: "Could not run the specified command"
[17:28] <Thomas_annoyed> KDE 3.5
[17:29] <Odd-rationale> Thomas_annoyed: try running kcontrol
[17:30] <jhutchins> !kdesu
[17:30] <Thomas_annoyed> kcontrol is from what I hear is the same menu as what I want but in Tree form
[17:30] <Odd-rationale> Thomas_annoyed: but does kcontrol launch?
[17:31] <Thomas_annoyed> however I do not see the particular option I want which is yes
[17:31] <Thomas_annoyed> yes
[17:31] <Thomas_annoyed> *﻿however I do not see the particular option I want which is a Disk Management
[17:32] <jhutchins> What do you want to do?
[17:32] <Thomas_annoyed> sorry, the exact name as pictured badly here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/images/kg08.gif is called Disk & Filesystems
[17:32] <Thomas_annoyed> I like this interface above all to assign how I like my drives to act and where they should mount
[17:33] <jhutchins> That is controlled by editing /etc/fstab (as root or with sudo).
[17:33] <Thomas_annoyed> I am very aware of that
[17:33] <Thomas_annoyed> and I will resort to that if I have to
[17:34] <Thomas_annoyed> but I like the System Settings Disk & filesystems for the ease of use at a later time
[17:38] <jhutchins> Thomas_annoyed: What system is that from?
[17:38] <Thomas_annoyed> what do you mean?
[17:39] <Thomas_annoyed> the picture is from a kubuntu setup I believe. I had it on my computer before I decided to re-install to Hardy
[17:39] <Thomas_annoyed> and now this option which was very helpful is not here anymore
[17:39] <jhutchins> Thomas_annoyed: So from a previous version, or just an earlier install of the same software?
[17:40] <Jucato> Thomas_annoyed: what System Settings has, KControl will have too. they basically share the same stuff. I'm guessing that you don't have systemsettings installed or kde-guidance (which provides disk & filesystems)
[17:40] <Thomas_annoyed> ok
[17:40] <Thomas_annoyed> kde-guidance is the key item that I am most likely looking for
[17:41] <Jucato> Thomas_annoyed: please check that you have kde-systemsettings and kde-guidance installed
[17:41] <domme_> hi, i am using a logitech lx700 keyboard with many many hotkeys... i set them up with setkeycodes and used lineakd to configure them but certain hotkeys seem to be preconfigured by KDE. eg when i push the email-button which is configured in lineakd to execute "thunderbird" it opens kmail... does anyone know how to deactivate the standard hotkey configuration?
[17:41] <jhutchins> !info systemsettings
[17:41] <Jucato> jhutchins: the package name is kde-systemsettings
[17:41] <jhutchins> !info kde-guidance
[17:41] <Thomas_annoyed> no, kde-guidance is not installed, I did a Gnome install then installed KDE from there
[17:41] <Jucato> Thomas_annoyed: how did you install KDE?
[17:42] <Thomas_annoyed> just apt-get install kde
[17:42] <Thomas_annoyed> I noticed key KDE apps are missing
[17:42] <Jucato> jhutchins: kde-guidance are the homegrown Kubuntu tools for system management, such as user config, disk & filesystem, display config, etc
[17:42] <Jucato> Thomas_annoyed: oops
[17:42] <Thomas_annoyed> so I figured this was not a very good way
[17:42] <jhutchins> !info kubuntu-desktop
[17:42] <Jucato> Thomas_annoyed: "kde" will install  *all* of KDE
[17:42] <Thomas_annoyed> but it did not
[17:42] <Jucato> Thomas_annoyed: install kubuntu-desktop to get the default set of Kubuntu packages as well as settings
[17:42] <Thomas_annoyed> Amarok was notinstalled
[17:43] <Jucato> Thomas_annoyed: because Amarok is not part of "core" KDE
[17:43] <domme_> oh i forgot: i am using kubuntu 8.04 amd64 with kde 3.5
[17:43] <Thomas_annoyed> should be...good program
[17:43] <jhutchins> Jucato: It will install "all of KDE", but not the supplemental apps people expect, which WILL be installed by kubuntu-desktop.
[17:43] <Jucato> Thomas_annoyed: it's not that it's not a good program. it's part of KDE Extragear
[17:43] <Thomas_annoyed> ok
[17:43] <Jucato> jhutchins: yes. notice I did tell him to install kubuntu-desktop :)
[17:44] <Jucato> Thomas_annoyed: KDE Extragear is a group of KDE apps that are not developed and released simultaneously with the rest of KDE. that's the only real difference
[17:44] <jhutchins> Jucato: Yes, lag.
[17:45] <Jucato> jhutchins: and I never told him to install "kde"... he did it himself and I was just explaining :)
[17:45] <Thomas_annoyed> yeah I see what you mean
[17:46] <domme_> noone? :'( i deinstalled kmail and whenever i push the email-button (set up to launch thunderbird) i get an error message that says that KDEInit couldnt start kmail... so i would think it has something to do with KDEInit
[17:46] <Thomas_annoyed> this will probably do it, I recommend from usage that Kubuntu developers put more effort towards making that Disk & Filesystems option more obvious as it will fix many of those "hal-storage mount refused uid 1000" that people get
[17:49] <jhutchins> domme_: How did you set up the button to launch thunderbird?
[17:50] <domme_> jhutchins: with lineakd... it worked before the last reboot
[17:50] <jhutchins> Not familiar with lineakd.  Did you select thunderbird in kcontrol/kde components?
[17:50] <envision> Hi everyone
[17:51] <envision> I got a question
[17:51] <envision> Might not be the right place to ask
[17:51] <jpds> !ask | envision
[17:51] <stephen> hi all is there any of you fine kubuntu players out the that can offer a bit help?
[17:52] <envision> How come i can install Kubuntu on my pc and when I go to install XP it doesnt detect my HDD
[17:53] <llutz> envision: s-ata drive? maybe xp needs a driver-disk (F6)
[17:53] <domme_> jhutchins: no i didnt do that... now i did it and it works fine, thanks, but is there a way to completely override all automatically configured hotkeys and only use lineak instead
[17:53] <envision> Its weird because if i set my comp to raid mode it doesnt detect anything to install so i put non-raid
[17:54] <envision> And also when i pressed F6 it continued as if i didnt press anything
[17:54] <stephen> ive lost my min/max & close buttons off all my open windows (KU8) & i cant drag any windows any one help me with this?
[17:55] <domme_> stephen: did you try ALT+F3?
[17:55] <RurouniJones> envision:  Windows has dogturd support for raid setups which is why they require the RAID floppy. If you press F6 it doesn't immediately ask you to put the disk in. It asks later.
[17:55] <envision> Where exactly can I get these raid drivers?
[17:56] <stephen> hi domme, no but just did & nothin happened
[17:56] <RurouniJones> envision: If your raid is MOBO based the driver should be on the motherboard CD.
[17:56] <RurouniJones> If it is separate then the raid controller should come with the driver on CD or floppy
[17:56] <domme_> stephen: ok, then i cant help you, i just started using kubuntu but alt+f3 worked for me when i was in a similar situation ;)
[17:57] <envision> I dont have either
[17:57] <stephen> okay thanx for the tip.
[17:57] <RurouniJones> How is your raid setup?
[17:57] <RurouniJones> is it mobo or controller?
[17:57] <envision> Basically I have my computer that shutdown after powering it on after 7 seconds. So i swapped HDDs with my other comp
[17:57] <envision> I have no clue
[17:57] <stephen> domme did u just press it or wait till a window was open?
[17:58] <papabean> stephen: Try Alt+F2 and then type kwin in the run dialog.
[17:58] <RurouniJones> envision: I will assume it is motherboard based. google your motherboard name + sata + windows install or something
[17:58] <RurouniJones> You will probably find a link with the drivers
[17:58] <envision> I have no clue what the specs of this comp are
[17:58] <envision> Was given to me
[17:58] <Jucato> !multimedia-keys
[17:58] <Jucato> hm..
[17:59] <Jucato> !shortcuts
[17:59] <Jucato> domme_: : that could help.. maybe ^^^^
[17:59] <RurouniJones> envision: Then crack the sucker open and look at the motherboard :)
[18:00] <envision> I wouldnt mind keeping linux just that i cant even install something as simple as flash
[18:00] <RurouniJones> er
[18:00] <RurouniJones> Yes....you can
[18:00] <RurouniJones> Well, linux has the ability to anyway. It is relateively simple
[18:00] <envision> Im a linux-noob
[18:00] <RurouniJones> There are loads of walkthroughs on the net. Edit one config file and let the package manager do the rest
[18:00] <envision> I basically have 1 hours worth of linux knowledge
[18:01] <Jucato> envision: go to Add/Remove Programs, search for "Flash" and install it :)
[18:01] <domme_> Jucato: thanks, i will take a look
[18:01] <envision> Cuz i downloaded the flash installer script
[18:01] <RurouniJones> Avoid scripts if you can
[18:01] <envision> Also
[18:01] <RurouniJones> Use the distributions built-in method to install that stuff
[18:01] <envision> Flash isnt in Ad remove
[18:02] <domme_> envision: do you use kubuntu 64bit version?
[18:02] <envision> nope
[18:02] <envision> this is a 64 bit machine
[18:02] <envision> lol
[18:02] <envision> v6.10
[18:02] <Jucato> that's.... old
[18:02] <domme_> because that would exactly be one of my other problems... i dont get flash running
[18:03] <Jucato> (which could explain why you can't find Flash in Add/Remove)
[18:03] <envision> lol
[18:03] <domme_> and gnash wont play any of the youtube videos except the "videos being watched"-bar
[18:03] <RurouniJones> Upgrade man!
[18:03] <Jucato> domme_: on 64-bit? you need to do some other stuff afaik
[18:03] <RurouniJones> join us in our flashy shiny latest versions
[18:03] <envision> How? updates or Format n reinstall?
[18:04] <RurouniJones> Yea, you have to install Firefox 32 bit and then the 32 bit flash. It is a pain in the arse
[18:04] <RurouniJones> I always go for the Format and reinstall but that is just me
[18:04] <domme_> yes, but i refuse to do that, its so contraproductive :D
[18:04] <envision> I have no clue how anything works in linux so basically im screwed
[18:04] <RurouniJones> Don't get into the mindset that linux is some bogie monster out to eat your children :p
[18:05] <RurouniJones> DL and burn the installation CD / DVD and give installing it a try
[18:05] <RurouniJones> Linux distros have worked very hard to make installing it easy
[18:05] <envision> Installing it ids cake
[18:05] <envision> is*
[18:05] <RurouniJones> and hell, if you completely bugger it up. Who cares? Just try again
[18:06] <envision> I wish windows would work lol
[18:06] <domme_> envision: did you try to install flash via the adept packet manager?
[18:06] <envision> It's not even in there
[18:06] <envision> and also
[18:06] <envision> If i want to use linux
[18:06] <RurouniJones> He is running an old version of Kubuntu so it might not appear
[18:06] <envision> i need wine
[18:07] <envision> and i think the servers r down
[18:07] <RurouniJones> Wine comes with kubuntu, just package manager add it
[18:07] <envision> exactly
[18:07] <envision> It doesnt work
[18:07] <envision> Says stuff cant be downloaded
[18:08] <RurouniJones> You are on an old version aren't you. You said 6.something right?
[18:08] <envision> 6.10
[18:09] <RurouniJones> Give 7 or 8 a go
[18:09] <envision> Ima dl it
[18:09] <RurouniJones> It should make life a lot easier
[18:09] <envision> True
[18:09] <sigma_> is there really much point in installing kubuntu 8.04.1? whats so different about it?
[18:09] <envision> BUt which ver
[18:10] <envision> (Hardy Heron) or (KDE 4 Remix).
[18:10] <RurouniJones> Don't use the KDE remix for the moment
[18:10] <envision> kk
[18:11] <sigma_> !ftp
[18:11] <sigma_> !FTPd
[18:11] <RurouniJones> sigma_: New kernels, better driver support. more likely to find active quick repositories with later packages.
[18:11] <envision> Also
[18:11] <envision> I find linux over complicated
[18:11] <envision> Like its fileing system wtf
[18:12] <sigma_> envision: its really not, i also thought the same, just operate from the home folder
[18:12] <RurouniJones> Ok, I'll give you that one. It is more complicated than windows.
[18:12] <domme_> envision: dont give up, i started 1 week ago and its getting less complicated every day ;)
[18:12] <RurouniJones> if you are an admin
[18:12] <RurouniJones> But if you are a user you only have to worry about your home folder and not much else
[18:12] <envision> 32 or 64 bit ver? Cuz i am using a 64 bit AMD
[18:12] <RurouniJones> And you can organise that how you like :)
[18:12] <RurouniJones> 32
[18:13] <envision> wuts the diff?
[18:13] <RurouniJones> Better support, especially for things like flash players :)
[18:13] <sigma_> different cpu
[18:13] <envision> 32 bit on AMD 64 :S
[18:13] <domme_> RurouniJones: acknowledged.
[18:13] <envision> Things like this confuse me
[18:13] <RurouniJones> 64 bit isn't really an earth shattering difference in terms of performance and you will run into more compatibility issues
[18:14] <RurouniJones> envision: Trust us, we are your friiiieeeennndsssss
[18:14] <envision> So far it seems to be
[18:14] <RurouniJones> On sidenote, you need your Credit card to install hardy, bet give it to me as backup
[18:14] <sigma_> yeah i run the 32bit os on my amd64 pc, it just saves alot of hassle
[18:14] <envision> lol
[18:14] <RurouniJones> include the CCD and pin please.
[18:14] <sigma_> lol
[18:14] <envision> 12345678900 666
[18:14] <envision> lol
[18:14] <RurouniJones> That fails the mod10 calculation. YOU LIED TO ME
[18:15] <envision> Kubuntu v8 here i come lol
[18:15] <envision> Wut this wget and sudo stuff on linux?
[18:15] <envision> i had to run those cmds in K v6.10 to get wine
[18:15] <Jucato> !sudo | envision
[18:15] <sigma_> !wget
[18:16] <RurouniJones> you don't need wget for installling wine :)
[18:16] <Jucato> wget is just a command line downloader
[18:16] <RurouniJones> But wget is just a :Grab this file from the internet: command
[18:16] <sigma_> yeah thats it!
[18:16] <envision> kk
[18:16] <envision> Well wine wasnt even in 6.10
[18:17] <Jucato> because that version is oooold :)
[18:17] <RurouniJones> Trust me, it will be in 8
[18:17] <RurouniJones> now, about that credit card...
[18:17] <envision> I still got my ubuntu v5.10 lying around somewhere
[18:17] <sigma_> lol, you really need to upgrade
[18:17] <Jucato> of course it's not installed by default. but I bet it's either in the repositories or you could use Wine's repository for Ubuntu
[18:17] <Lynoure> Does Semantik install for someone so that it actually appears in path or menus?
[18:17] <envision> I got ubuntu v5.10 kubuntu 6.10
[18:17] <rosa> hello
[18:17] <envision> lol
[18:18] <Jucato> I think 6.10 is no longer supported
[18:18] <envision> I was due 4 an upgrade
[18:18] <Lynoure> In my case the binary seems to get left into /usr/lib/kde4/bin/semantik
[18:18] <pete-r> hi people!
[18:18] <rosa> I have installed kubuntu 8.10 and I selected in spanish but it's all in english, what should I do for translate all the system?
[18:18] <pete-r> how can I install firefox on kbuntu?
[18:18] <pete-r> i can't find it in add/remove software
[18:19] <jussi01> pete-r: use system - adept
[18:19] <envision> how do i install with scripts?
[18:19] <Lynoure> !kde4
[18:20] <Lynoure> Not that I'm in KDE4, but it is a kde4 app
[18:20] <RurouniJones> envision: Avoid scripts if you can
[18:20] <envision> Wut if its not in adept manager?
[18:20] <jussi01> envision: what are you installing?
[18:20] <rosa> how do you change the language on your system?
[18:20] <envision> Im just saying
[18:20] <envision> Wut if its not
[18:20] <RurouniJones> envision: Cross that bridge when you come to it
[18:21] <envision> Mkay
[18:21] <envision> I dont want to end up with a broken bridge
[18:21] <RurouniJones> Because hopefully that won't happen for a looooong time
[18:21] <RurouniJones> and by the time you run into that situation hopefully you will have more linux experience
[18:21] <Jucato> envision: "what if it's not?": 1. check you have the proper repositories enabled; 2. if that doesn't work, look for repositories or packages made specially for Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[18:21] <envision> Or get impatient and throw all my comps out n buy one with windows
[18:21] <Jucato> of course, tip #1: Update :)
[18:22] <domme_> rosa: did you install the language packs in adept?
[18:22] <rosa> no domme_
[18:22] <envision> Jucato, I no nothing bout linux
[18:22] <envision> lol
[18:22] <rosa> i have no clue of this
[18:22] <RurouniJones> yet
[18:22] <domme_> search for "language spanish" in system -> adept manager
[18:23] <RurouniJones> Give it time and you will be helping others in here
[18:23] <envision> I hope wine works with all my stuff
[18:23] <envision> or Linux = gone
[18:23] <jussi01> rosa: also the spanish channel may be of some help
[18:23] <RurouniJones> What kind of stuff
[18:23] <jussi01> !es > rosa
[18:23] <envision> My grand mothers card games, my Diablo 2
[18:23] <envision> Ec t ect
[18:23] <ziggy__> wine WONT worlk with all your stuff, sorry, might as well unistall now
[18:24] <RurouniJones> Game can vary. look at the appdb.winehq.com
[18:24] <envision> I did and its not there
[18:24] <envision> *sigh*
[18:24] <RurouniJones> Then good luck
[18:24] <ziggy__> then it probably wont work
[18:24] <rosa> thanks a lot jussi01
[18:24] <jussi01> :)
[18:24] <envision> Why's this shit so complicated
[18:24] <jussi01> !ohmy | envision
[18:24] <ziggy__> because blizzard doesnt write games for linux
[18:24] <envision> My bad
[18:25] <envision> I know
[18:25] <RurouniJones> Well, they did port some games didn't they?
[18:25] <ziggy__> no
[18:25] <ziggy__> none
[18:25] <envision> I guess ill quit Diablo 2 then
[18:25] <RurouniJones> hmm, I seem to remember someone saying they did. Ah well
[18:25] <envision> Wuyt else is there to do on my comp?
[18:25] <RurouniJones> I am willing to bet Diablo 2 will run
[18:25] <ziggy__> other than diablo II?
[18:25] <ziggy__> clearly nothing
[18:25] <envision> lol
[18:26] <RurouniJones> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=74
[18:26] <RurouniJones> Voila
[18:26] <ziggy__> dont expect linux to be windows, because its not and never will be
[18:26] <envision> YAY!
[18:26] <envision> D2 works so ima be a happy guy
[18:26] <envision> lol
[18:26] <RurouniJones> To be honest, you should be impressed that linux has the capaibility tor un windows programs at all :)
[18:27] <envision> I am
[18:27] <envision> Not like windows can do that
[18:27] <envision> I always wanted to switch to linux
[18:27] <envision> i guess todays my day
[18:27] <ziggy__> why?
[18:28] <envision> Cuz I dont like Nazi bill gates and his overpriced stuff
[18:28] <ziggy__> linux will require you to learn about your computer, or you will end up running back to windows
[18:28] <envision> I know my comp
[18:28] <envision> just not linux
[18:28] <ziggy__> heh
[18:28] <envision> I hate to have to re-learn a new OS
[18:28] <ziggy__> you think you know your computer
[18:28] <ziggy__> wait
[18:29] <envision> 45% till Kubuntu v8 :)
[18:30] <domme_> envision: hope you chose 32bit, did you?
[18:30] <envision> Oops
[18:30] <envision> Lol j/k
[18:31] <domme_> ok, good... because i already regret having downloaded the 64bit
[18:31] <domme_> ...version
[18:31] <ziggy__> do you have a shitload of ram?
[18:31] <envision> 1g
[18:31] <jussi01> !ohmy | ziggy__
[18:32] <ziggy__> youre kidding me, right?
[18:32] <RurouniJones> Nope
[18:32] <RurouniJones> It is one of the rules. Such is life
[18:32] <ziggy__> is this channel hosted in salt lake city?
[18:32] <jussi01> !guidelines > ziggy__
[18:32] <envision> I hope your linux is as good as its hopped up to be
[18:33] <envision> L:)
[18:33] <sigma_> whats a good kde frontend for vsftpd?
[18:33] <jussi01> !ftpd
[18:34] <jussi01> hrm, just 1 listed :/
[18:34] <jussi01> you have loads of choice sigma_ :/
[18:34] <ziggy__> excuse my x-rated potty mouth, hope no one got a heart attack from the shocking language, envision, unless you have at least 4 gigs of ram, theres no reason youd need a 64 bit version
[18:34] <eNvisioN> kk
[18:34] <Jucato> I thoought "unless you have more than 4 gigs"?
[18:35] <ziggy__> ok
[18:35] <ziggy__> either way, with 1 gig, you dont want it
[18:35] <eNvisioN> lol
[18:35] <Jucato> afaik 4GB is the max limit of a 32bit... I could be wrong.. I never dream of having the headache of a 64-bit machine :)
[18:35] <sigma_> jussi01: kcmpureftpd is for pure-ftpd, nothing is for vsftpd
[18:35] <RurouniJones> well theoretically your apps should run a bit faster in 64 bit
[18:36] <Jucato> sigma_: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kvsftpdmanager?content=41799
[18:36] <eNvisioN> I know wine will work with CS:S so im happy with that aswell
[18:36] <domme_> hooray, my firefox is so damn fast because 1) it is 64bit and 2) it doesnt play flash-movies
[18:37] <ziggy__> lots of driver issues with 64 bit
[18:37] <ziggy__> if you can avoid it, do
[18:37] <dr_Willis> even with exactly 4gb-o-ram :) you may not need 64bitness
[18:38] <eNvisioN> woot it's 13:37 here
[18:38] <dr_Willis> Miller Time?
[18:38] <eNvisioN> Central
[18:38] <muesli> RurouniJones: that's just plain wrong
[18:38] <domme_> eNvisioN: lucky one, 19:37 here :'(
[18:38] <muesli> most applications will run slower on 64bit
[18:39]  * dr_Willis imagines it depends on the apps.
[18:39] <sigma_> i didnt know you could recover lost files from hdd's under linux. i found this software that recovered full 350mb video files
[18:39] <eNvisioN> funny thing it was 13:37 (1337 = leet = Elite) which is not what im feeling like on linux
[18:39] <dr_Willis> sigma_,  you got lucky :)
[18:40] <domme_> eNvisioN: you will start feeling leet in general when your friends complain about their vista-issues
[18:40] <eNvisioN> I've already heard those
[18:40] <eNvisioN> lol
[18:40] <RurouniJones> muesli: Reasoning?
[18:41] <Jucato> eNvisioN: Rome wasn't built in a day, and no baby was born an adult :)
[18:41] <muesli> RurouniJones: the cpu ain't quicker in 64bit magically. contrary it has to deal with 64bit address for every single memory access
[18:41] <muesli> which is slower
[18:41] <muesli> it will be quicker once one _single_ application is accessing more than 4gb of ram
[18:42] <eNvisioN> True.
[18:42]  * Jucato notes that the 32 vs 64 topic is slowly veering towards offtopic...
[18:42] <muesli> (that's technically not 100% true either, but close to reality)
[18:42] <dr_Willis> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1  Ubuntu: 32-bit v. 64-bit Performance   - (2 years old artical)
[18:42] <RurouniJones> Or an application which is using high precision numbers.
[18:42] <dr_Willis> :)
[18:42] <muesli> dr_Willis: cheers :)
[18:43] <eNvisioN> Btw
[18:43] <eNvisioN> Are there any good HDD partition encrypters for linux
[18:43] <eNvisioN> Like TrueCrypt
[18:43] <RurouniJones> If you DL the alternate install CD you can encrypt your entire OS
[18:44] <RurouniJones> built-in to the installation and bootup procedure.
[18:44] <jussi01> !encryption
[18:44] <eNvisioN> I see
[18:44] <eNvisioN> Wut encryption
[18:44] <eNvisioN> AES Blowfish TwoFish?
[18:44] <jussi01> !truecrypt
[18:45] <jussi01> there we are :)
[18:45] <RurouniJones> Just use full disk encryption and be done with it :p
[18:46] <eNvisioN> Ima try it out
[18:46] <stephen> papabean u there?
[18:46] <papabean> stephen: Yes.  off and on.
[18:47] <RurouniJones> eNvisioN: If you want full disk encryption you need to download the ALTERNATE install CD/DVD for kubuntu
[18:47] <RurouniJones> It has extra options like encryption.
[18:47] <sigma_> Jucato: i installed vsftpd. now how do i login to the ftp server? my local ip is 169.254.6.237
[18:48] <Jucato> sigma_: sorry, don't know anything about ftpd's
[18:48] <Jucato> I just searched in kde-apps for the kde frontend you were asking for
[18:48] <dr_Willis> sigma_,  try 'ftp localhost' or ftp ip#
[18:49] <eNvisioN> I think ill give that a go when im more linux-friendly
[18:49] <eNvisioN> lol
[18:49] <RurouniJones> Probably a good idea
[18:50] <Algyz> Hi, how can I connect to internet automatically on startup? Internet is through LAN, I'm connecting $sudo dhclient eth0
[18:50] <eNvisioN> Indeed
[18:51] <dr_Willis> Hmm.. the network manager should be doing that allready.
[18:52] <eNvisioN> woot v8 time in 2 mins
[18:54] <Algyz> dr_Willis:  it is sleeping somewhy :(
[18:54] <Algyz> I'm changed ISP today :)
[18:54] <ubuntu> hello
[18:54] <Algyz> privet ;)
[18:55] <toshatosha> о россия рулит :)
[18:55] <RurouniJones> !ru
[18:56] <Algyz> In network manager I enabled roaming mode, if it is right
[18:56] <eNvisioN> RurouniJones v8 is burning  as we speak
[18:56] <RurouniJones> Will you install on the computer you are currently using or another one?
[18:57] <eNvisioN> this 1
[18:57] <slow-motion> hi
[18:57] <RurouniJones> In that case, good luck with the install. If in doubt, choose the default options :p
[18:58] <eNvisioN> If i aint back within 20 mins, i aint coming back
[18:58] <eNvisioN> lol
[18:58] <RurouniJones> er, 20 minutes is a bit optimistic
[18:58] <eNvisioN> took me that for 6.10 yesterday
[18:59] <eNvisioN> brb
[18:59] <zabbadapp> eNvisioN: and failsafe graphics during install if video isn't fully supported
[18:59] <RurouniJones> Ok, bets are on
[18:59] <RurouniJones> Hands up those who think he will be back in 19 minute and 30 seconds
[19:01] <zabbadapp> can't he can start konversation during install?
[19:01] <RurouniJones> er...Unless something really special has occured since I installed last...no
[19:02] <RurouniJones> unless you mean the post install setup
[19:03] <vlt> Hello. I just resumed from suspend-to-disk and my KDE session was not locked. Any idea why?
[19:03] <santosh> hey guys help me ger xmms player in kubuntu
[19:03] <santosh> i tried from adept manager
[19:04] <santosh> its not working
[19:04] <santosh> is there any other way
[19:04] <RurouniJones> how is it not working
[19:04] <RurouniJones> We need some more info
[19:05] <ziggy__> what happened when you tried adept?
[19:05] <minhaaj> if i were to back up ONLY my settings, configs and sys files how much space would that take ?
[19:05] <minhaaj> given that i have already backed up packages on aptoncd
[19:05] <minhaaj> ?
[19:06] <zabbadapp> vlt: that happens to me sometimes when returning from suspend to ram ... no idea why .. very seldom
[19:07] <ziggy__> min, all your setting should be in your hope directory, as hidden files, add up what you have and youll know for sure
[19:07] <ziggy__> home
[19:07] <ziggy__> not hope
[19:07] <minhaaj> i did that once. backed up home and blanket rewritten it
[19:08] <minhaaj> i got a lot of errors although my desktop and settings were restored
[19:08] <corcho_> dalnet
[19:08] <minhaaj> but i had to install programs again for the settings to work
[19:08] <minhaaj> i guess aptoncd would help me do that since i'll be able to restore all packages without having to download them
[19:09] <minhaaj> brb testing remastersys
[19:14] <Pete_R> I've just installed kubuntu latest version and I have no sound
[19:14] <Pete_R> how do i fix that?
[19:16] <dr_Willis> #1 determine whats the sound card/chipset   , #2 check a few of the bot factoids.
[19:16] <dr_Willis> !sound
[19:26] <domme_> does anyone know a good programm for underclocking and undervolting my cpu?
[19:26] <domme_> GUI preferred but no must
[19:27] <zabbadapp> for me, the master volume was 0 ... I changed it with alsamixer
[19:28] <Dragnslcr> There might be a way to limit the system's CPU usage to X%, but as far as I know, changing the frequency or voltage of the CPU can only be done through the BIOS
[19:28] <Reformer81> Does Konversation allow you to setup command aliases and replacements dependent on the channel you use it in?
[19:30] <Dragnslcr> Reformer81- the channel name does get passed into a script
[19:30] <Dragnslcr> http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/scripting.html
[19:35] <Reformer81> Dragnslcr: However, that doesn't say much for Auto-Replace.  For instance, I have certain channels that I chat in that everyone uses colors... I don't want to do that in here.
[19:36] <Dragnslcr> Reformer81- Auto Replace doesn't appear to have an option for specific channels
[19:37] <Guest66351> How do I empty the trash in Kubuntu  8.04?
[19:41] <dr_Willis> right click on the trashcan? or is it left click...
[19:41] <dr_Willis> left click. :)
[19:41] <adam__> ow do I empty the trash in Kubuntu 8.04?
[19:43] <adam__> Ok I left clicked but don't see how to empty trash.
[19:44] <Guest26721> open it with a left-click-then you should be able to empty it
[19:45] <Guest26721> when i open the trash,it appears in dolphin,where i can empty it
[19:46] <adam__> thanx, I found it. little different from gnome.
[20:14] <igor__> o
[20:15] <dr_Willis> oo
[20:15] <dr_Willis> ooo
[20:15] <dr_Willis> :)
[20:15] <igor__> I do not belive
[20:16] <igor__> Konversation
[20:16] <envision> Woo
[20:16] <igor__> i can be on 2 diferent server at a same time
[20:17] <igor__> how is taht possible
[20:17] <zabbadapp> envision: it worked?
[20:18] <envision> yup
[20:18] <envision> now 4 flash
[20:18] <dr_Willis> igor__,  i connecgted to 2 irc servers with konversation.
[20:19] <dr_Willis> go to the server list tool,. add a new server, connect.. you get new tabs gor it
[20:19] <igor__> but it is new for me
[20:20] <envision> wtf
[20:20] <igor__> on mirc that bewer worked
[20:20] <envision> Flash still aint there
[20:20] <igor__> newer
[20:20] <igor__> never
[20:20] <envision> sec
[20:20] <dr_Willis> File -> server list -> new.   Enter new server...  it just worked here.
[20:20] <envision> maybe in adept and not ad
[20:22] <igor__> OK I understand
[20:22] <dr_Willis> igor__,  or use the /server NEWserver command
[20:24] <envision> thx for the help so far guys
[20:29] <envision> In Adept manager i installed flash-nonfree
[20:29] <envision> and still cant see flash content
[20:29] <eduardopl> envision: try kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:29] <eduardopl> it worked  for me
[20:30] <envision> kk sec
[20:31] <zabbadapp> i don't use the -free version, but adobes one installed from the repos ... and it works surprisingly well considering I'm on a 64-bit kubuntu
[20:32] <envision> this has java flash?
[20:32] <dr_Willis> java flash?
[20:33] <dr_Willis> it has java and flash in the restricted-extras pacjkage I belive
[20:33] <envision> kk
[20:33] <envision> Also
[20:33] <eduardopl> except for 64 bit
[20:33] <eduardopl> java for 64 bit
[20:33] <envision> Adept manager is to download the package
[20:33] <eduardopl> applets don't work
[20:33] <envision> and add remove is to install it?
[20:36] <zabbadapp> yes, if you use "add/remove programs" and has unsupported and proprietary software checked (top right), and search for "java" .. you will find Sun Java 6 plugin under the internet category.
[20:38] <__Adam__> hello,
[20:38] <__Adam__> Can anyone help me pair a blue headset to kubuntu?
[20:40] <__Adam__> Can anyone help me pair a bluetooth headset to kubuntu? :)
[20:41] <Aikurn> i needed help myself to pai my phone :)
[20:41] <Aikurn> *pair
[20:41] <__Adam__> ahhh
[20:41] <boubbin_> ? bluetooth
[20:42] <Shirakawasuna> hmm, I'm a bit confused.  I have ALL: 192.168.0.5 in my hosts.allow, yet my laptop at that addy can't connect (connection refuse)
[20:42] <Shirakawasuna> any ideas?
[20:42] <Shirakawasuna> do I need to start/restart an ssh daemon?
[20:42] <Aikurn> __Adam__: i guess you have kbluetooth running, right?
[20:42] <DarthFrog> Shirakawasuna: Yes.
[20:42] <Shirakawasuna> DarthFrog: which one?  I can't find a script for it in init.d...
[20:42] <__Adam__> it running yes
[20:43] <__Adam__> and i can pair a wii mote
[20:43] <DarthFrog> Shirakawasuna: sudo apt-get update && apt-get install openssh-server
[20:43] <Shirakawasuna> DarthFrog: ah, k.  Weird, given how much stuff ubuntu comes with, I expected it to have an ssh server :D
[20:43] <Shirakawasuna> thanks!
[20:43] <envision> lol
[20:45] <Shirakawasuna>  woot, it works
[20:45] <Shirakawasuna> another ubuntu-new question: will this be added to the start processes automatically or is there a conf file/gui I need to mess with?
[20:45] <DarthFrog> Shirakawasuna: You're welcome.
[20:46] <DarthFrog> Shirakawasuna: It should be automatic.  If you like, check /etc/rc2.d and see if there is an S#sshserver file there where # is some number.
[20:47] <DarthFrog> Shirakawasuna:  mine is S16ssh in /etc/rc2.d
[20:48] <Shirakawasuna> DarthFrog: ok, so /etc/rc2.d controls daemon startup?
[20:49] <Shirakawasuna> and S# = order in which they start, like udev?
[20:49] <DonConradioni> Can anyone offer help on upgrading Kubuntu?
[20:51] <lk> can anyone help me to add unionfs to my kernel?
[20:52] <DonConradioni> Whenever I try to upgrade 6.10 i receive a 404 error from the server
[20:53] <Aikurn> DonConradioni: you should join #kubuntu
[20:53] <engineer> he's already in #kubuntu
[20:53]  * Aikurn needs to go have dinner right now
[20:53] <Aikurn> oh my
[20:55] <DonConradioni> isnt this #kubuntu?
[20:56] <Aikurn> yep, sorry, wrong channel
[20:56] <__Adam__> Can anyone help me pair a bluetooth headset to kubuntu? :)
[20:56] <DonConradioni> lol.... thanks
[21:05] <spire> Which repository contains acroread? The default repositories does apparently not contain it
[21:08] <mitko> hi
[21:10] <zabbadapp> spire: check out http://www.medibuntu.org and their repos you can add to *buntu .. have not tried myself, but someone else here maybe knows if it is the easiest way?
[21:11] <spire> Thanks
[21:11] <hola> nada
[21:12] <slow-motion> n8
[21:13] <root> Hi all
[21:13] <reese> hi! which package contains PhysicsFS? i can't find it in the packages list
[21:13] <engineer> hi root
[21:13] <syn4pse> ;)
[21:14] <engineer> reese apt-cache search physicsfs
[21:15] <reese> engineer: output: libphysfs-1.0-0 - filesystem abstraction library for game programmers
[21:15] <syn4pse> i have setted up kubuntu with xinerama (Geforce Go5200 FX) but now one of my monitors is to dark i tried to lighten it up by adding Gamma 3.5 3.5 3.5 into the xorg.conf but it didnt lighten up enough and color becomes ugly ;) can anybody give me any advice on this problem ?
[21:21] <syn4pse> !nopaste
[21:21] <syn4pse> !conky
[21:21] <PhilRod> !pastebin
[21:31] <flopue> w
[21:40] <psyco> How do I run a .run file :s
[21:40] <zabbadapp> sh xyz.run
[21:40] <psyco> ty
[21:41] <engineer> sh ./file.run
[21:41] <nowshining> engineer: u beat me to it :P
[21:41] <psyco> :P
[21:42] <engineer> if your pwd is in the same dir as the run file, that is
[21:43] <engineer> nowshining ^^
[21:44] <nowshining> well it seems the newest 173.14.09 fixes my issues with earlier ones where when downloading pics from images.yahoo.com wouldn't display right - making it where i had to minimize the browser to the tray and back up to see the actual picture. :) - i hope the fix still works if and or when I reboot my computer. :)
[21:45] <kale2> hello, does anyone have some step-by-step guide how i would get Buffalo WLI2-PCI-G54S working, been trying it for some hours now without luck
[21:45] <kale2> :D
[21:46] <nowshining> kale2: what exactly are ur errors that ur seeing?
[21:47] <kale2> i dont see any errors, except that KnetworkManager says: Device: No active device
[21:47] <kale2> when i click it
[21:48] <nowshining> try in terminal - sudo /etc/init.d/network restart
[21:48] <nowshining> or /etc/init.d/networking restart
[21:48] <nowshining> ur pw won't show as u type
[21:49] <psyco> When I ran ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run I got X Server: unable to detect and then it stopped... ANyone know how to fix?
[21:50] <kale2> hmm now Wireless Networks appeared in that network manager
[21:50] <engineer> they were sleeping
[21:51] <nowshining> psyco: ctrl+alt+f2-f6 pick one, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop, sudo path to ﻿./ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run and when done - sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start - rem. exit all programs, etc.. before u stop kdm - ur pw won'ts show as you type.
[21:52] <nowshining> psyco: I don't anything about ati - i use nvidia tho - so the above was just a guess
[21:52] <psyco> wow ok thanks
[21:53] <_2> can someone sujest to me why "mount /dev/sda /media" might hang ?
[21:54] <_2> sda is a digital camera set to disk mode
[21:54] <nowshining> sda should be ur harddisk
[21:54] <_2> for the record.   i have never seen mount just hang like this before.   i can't even kill -9 the process it's fully hung but doesn't seem to be affecting the rest of the system.
[21:54] <_2> nowshining no.
[21:54] <nowshining> _2: or sda1
[21:55] <nowshining> _2: try sdb, etc..
[21:55] <_2> no   you are thinking in default only terms.
[21:55] <_2> i don't use scsi emulation
[21:56] <_2> my hard disks are hda and hdb mounted on /home and / respectively
[21:57] <TimZ1m>  i cant login with kopete anymore, if i click on jabber and select any status, nothing happenssame with the icq symbol nobody answers in #kopete
[21:57] <nowshining> _2: then i don't kow then
[21:57] <_2> nowshining heh,  ok.  thanks anyway.
[21:58] <_2> anyone else have a clue-by-four to hit me with ?
[21:58] <nowshining> TimZ1m: icq changed the login and such. :) check for updates for kubuntu - maybe there's an update for kopete in there.
[21:58] <nowshining> TimZ1m: what i mean by login - is how it logs in..
[22:00] <crimsun> _2: normally you'd mount a partition on a block device.
[22:00] <_2> crimsun that assumes that there is a partition doesn't it ?
[22:01] <_2> and there isn't
[22:02] <_2> flash drives often don't default to partitions and as far as i know digital cameras don't default to using partitions either
[22:02] <_2> floppys didn't   but that's old skool
[22:03] <mirkoss> pl?
[22:03] <mirkoss> pl ?
[22:03] <crimsun> _2: what's the [c]]fdisk -l output?
[22:03] <_2> mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[22:04] <crimsun> (the device would be /dev/sda)
[22:04] <_2> hmmm fdisk -l hangs too    looks like some kind of i/o problem doesn't it....
[22:04] <crimsun> _2: only if reported by the kernel.
[22:04] <_2> then why the hang ?
[22:05] <crimsun> because there are known issues with certain ehci controllers.
[22:05] <_2> ehci ?
[22:06] <_2> is that in a camera ?
[22:06] <TimZ1m> nowshining: there is no update for kopete, i dont get any error messages, just nothing happens
[22:06] <_2> ah here is a kernel message.
[22:06] <_2> [17181404.464000] Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
[22:06] <_2> so it does seem to be i/o issue
[22:06] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4a73ecc2
[22:07] <_2> hung  ^
[22:07] <kale2> hmm, now this kinda works better but cant find any wireless networks
[22:07] <_2> tty23 [root@dell.~] kill -9 `pidof fdisk`
[22:08] <_2>   no affect   ^
[22:10] <_2> yeah it's i/o  i'm getting additional error messages about it the more i try to kill mount and fdisk
[22:10] <heinkel_111> what is kubuntu 8.04.1 about? do we have to do the upgrade manually, or will it come automatically to us via apt magic?
[22:10] <_2> so maybe the camera has seen better days.
[22:10] <crimsun> no, it's an ehci controller issue.
[22:10] <crimsun> you can hack around it by using https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/61235/comments/98
[22:11] <_2> not sure what you mean ?    i was using this camera in this same fassion about two months ago without issue   so i doubt that you are on the right track there crimsun
[22:11] <Blackdrag> Hey guys.. I just installed and removed KDE4 using Adept (and not the apt-get command) and now I can't get Kubuntu to use KDE3 anymore.. I can't even try to manually start kdm
[22:11] <Blackdrag> any ideas? I've tried installing and removing the kubuntu-desktop and other packages using apt-get
[22:12] <_2> my system hasn't changed in the last two months
[22:12] <_2> i'll look at the bug report anyway
[22:14] <nowshining> _2: u can try doing a fsck on ur next reboot. in the terminal cd / then do sudo /bin/bash then issue: touch /forcefsck
[22:15] <_2> nowshining why on reboot ?   it's a camera  not my hdd
[22:15] <nowshining> lol - fsck may fix some errors u may have - it's worth a try
[22:16] <_2> heh yeah but reboot is not likely to affect it.
[22:16] <_2> :)
[22:17] <nowshining> _2: it can fix tmp errors
[22:17] <_2> nowshining fsck just hangs like fdisk -l  and mount /dev/sda /media/sda do
[22:17] <_2> tmp ?    i dont think anything is using tmp atm
[22:17] <nowshining> tmp = temporary
[22:18] <nowshining> ie: temporary problems
[22:18] <nowshining> u can always just try a reboot to see if it fixes any errors
[22:18] <_2> now  hehhe it wont.   i'm not running a gui and nothing is using /tmp and there will be no change by rebooting.    tty24 [root@dell.~] ls /tmp
[22:18] <_2> tty24 [root@dell.~]
[22:19] <_2> also i have rebooted to test it with an older kernel to rule that out.
[22:19] <_2> no change.
[22:19] <nowshining> _2: what ver. of kubuntu are u using?
[22:19] <_2> and the old M$ adedge "reboot will fix anything" just doesn't work in linux
[22:20] <_2> dapper
[22:21] <_2> i think the camera is dead... that's what i think.   i'm just wondering if there is anything that might revive it.    cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda  maybe....
[22:22] <heinkel_111> can someone help me find a bittorrent of the alternate CD installer for Kubuntu 8.04?
[22:22] <nowshining> _2: if everything else hange - i think it might be a problem with something else
[22:22] <nowshining> hangs*
[22:22] <_2> nowshining nothing hangs if it's not touching the camera     so my conclusion is it's the camera
[22:23] <nowshining> _2: gotcha
[22:23] <darkwolf> hello everyone
[22:23] <nowshining> hi darkwolf
[22:23] <_2> unplug the camera and it "dehangs" all that is now hung.
[22:24] <darkwolf> I have an epson stylus c84 hooked up and set as my default printer with the gutenberg driver, but when I try to print something, it goes into the print queue and nothing happens
[22:24] <darkwolf> I am using Gutsy Gibbon 7.10
[22:24] <nowshining> _2: u can always compile ur own kernel from kernel.org - the latest kernel ver. I had probs with 2.6.25.x but 2.6.24.7 works fine..+ using a vanilla kernel makes it clean of the ubuntu patched one.
[22:24] <_2> nowshining why ?
[22:25] <_2> nowshining i could mount the damned thing two months ago,  now i can't   same kernel.   i don't think it's software related really!
[22:25] <_2> i mean really.
[22:26] <nowshining> _2: i was talking about the kernel, u could always check for updates
[22:26] <_2> i know you are talking about the kernel.   but my kernel is fine.
[22:26] <brandon_> Could some one assist me in changing my home folder to another /home partition that is on my secondary HD?
[22:28] <_2> brandon_ mount the partition some place like /mnt   copy or move your files from /home to /mnt  then remount the partition on /home   edit fstab to make it sticky
[22:28] <nowshining> quit
[22:28] <brandon_> K I will try that.. thank you
[22:29] <_2> note   /home is not your $HOME      your #HOME is (by default anyway) a subdir of /home    like  /home/your_name
[22:29] <david73> nabend
[22:32] <ahmed_> where can i find doc for kubuntu 8.04 kde3
[22:33] <heinkel_111> does anyone know if it is possible to run the altenate installer from the 8.04 kde3 DVD?
[22:33] <_2> ok i have tracked it down.   it's the memory stick in the camera    it seems to be dying or at least defective.
[22:34] <heinkel_111> I know it has the GUI installer as standard but
[22:34] <heinkel_111> I want to install encrpted harddisk for my laptop
[22:34] <crimsun> _2: phew, at least it's not a kernel issue
[22:34] <_2> heinkel_111 from the dvd   yes it's the dvd also the "alternate"
[22:35] <_2> crimsun lol    i kinda wish it was   but it works like a charm without the memory stick in it.
[22:35] <heinkel_111> _2 eh..a separate alternate dvd or are there files on the dvd that i can use to run the alternate installer? I didn't completely understand
[22:35] <ahmed_> kubuntu 8.04 does it has ntfs3g and fuse or i have to install it?? i try to put cd but it doesnt mount it
[22:36] <_2> heinkel_111 ummm maybe crimsun could answer that.  i'm not sure.
[22:36] <_2> back in a few.
[22:40] <ahmed_> kubuntu 8.04 #
[22:40] <ahmed_> kubuntu 8.04 !
[22:41] <ahmed_> !kubuntu 8.04
[22:41] <mirkoss> pl?
[22:42] <ahmed_> where i find documintation about kubutnu 8.04
[22:43] <zabbadapp> ahmed_: yes its has ntfs3g (previous version did not, but i'm sure i didn't have to install it this time), but a cd is probably not ntfs?
[22:46] <ahmed_> yes i know it  is not ntfs but this my second quwstion i cannt see the icon of cd when i insert any cd
[22:47] <ricardo> hi
[23:00] <darkwolf> so... no advice for my printer? :)
[23:01] <darkwolf> i used the system settings printer manager to install it, but now when I try to print nothing happens.. the job just goes to the print queue and sits there
[23:05] <darkwolf> KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN!
[23:08] <darkwolf> Kubuntuuuuuuuuu!
[23:12] <Ko_deZ> I read on the web that there should be options in the screen resolution settings to "Apply settings on KDE startup" and "Allow tray application to change startup settings", however, my kubuntu does not seem to have those. Is this the right place to ask what to do to enable those options?
[23:12] <Ko_deZ> I wish to have my KDE boot with a default resolution, but it always switches back to a different one when i log in.
[23:12] <Ko_deZ> any ideas?
[23:43] <StevenX> Hello all. I am trying to install kubuntu-restricted-extras and I get the following error: E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-mis                                                                                                   sing?
[23:44] <StevenX> Hello all. I am trying to install kubuntu-restricted-extras and I get the following error: E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[23:44] <StevenX> I have tried both suggestions and neither worked.
[23:48] <darwin> Hi everyone
[23:49] <omer_> hi
[23:54] <StevenX> hello all. i am having trouble playing music. i can't play mp3 files even though it seems i did install kubuntu-restricted-extras correctly. any help
[23:56] <shaka> StevenX:What specific player are you tryin to use?
[23:58] <StevenX> shaka: exaile
[23:58] <darwin> Has anyone installed flash player 10 beta 2?