[00:16] <Myrtti> hi, I'd like to file a bug on Launchpad bug thingie about it's inability to sanitize bug reports. Where would it be appropriate?
[00:17] <Myrtti> is it apport bug, launchpad bug report bug or launchpad bug?
[00:23] <stdin> Myrtti: against malone I should think
[00:24] <Rinchen> changed date for next mtg
[01:14] <kgoetz> hi all. does LP still automatically close bugs?
[01:15] <LaserJock> I thought so
[01:16] <kgoetz> oh well. :/ thanks for the reply.
[01:16] <LaserJock> kgoetz: did you check the syntax?
[01:16] <kgoetz> LaserJock: syntax for what?
[01:17] <kgoetz> wtf?
[01:17] <kgoetz> i wanted the topic *of* easyubuntu :O
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[01:17] <LaserJock> man
[01:17] <kgoetz> crazyness.
[01:17] <LaserJock> ok
[01:17] <LaserJock> kgoetz: what do you mean by automatically close bugs?
[01:18] <LaserJock> you mean the Incomplete ones, or closing when uploading?
[01:18] <kgoetz> LaserJock: it was closing them after 60 days. (incomplete ones?)
[01:18] <LaserJock> oh, right
[01:18] <LaserJock> I think that was shut of a long time ago
[01:19] <LaserJock> I think perhaps it just marks bugs now instead of closing them
[01:19] <LaserJock> *but* I could be way off
[01:20] <kgoetz> cool. might start using 'incomplete' again *g*
[01:20] <LaserJock> well, you don't want to use it for longstanding bugs
[01:38] <kgoetz> where can i get help on the 'active' vs 'inactive' team member status?
[01:38] <wgrant> kgoetz: Inactive just means they've left the team or expired.
[01:38] <wgrant> Why does there need to be help on it?
[01:38] <wgrant> It's fairly clear.
[01:39] <kgoetz> wgrant: its fairly clear, if you know  what 'inactive' is meant to mean.
[01:39] <wgrant> Not...active.
[01:40] <kgoetz> and when does one go from "not active" to "active"? when awake? when at work? after 666 hours?
[01:40] <kgoetz> and vica versa i guess
[01:43] <LaserJock> hmm, that is actually a good point
[01:43] <wgrant> mpt: ^^
[01:43] <LaserJock> "active" sort of does imply there is a criteria
[01:44] <LaserJock> and if you don't meet it you're "inactive"
[01:51] <kgoetz> is there a bug open against LP about being unable to remove bugs you commented on from your bugs list? i thought there was one, but i'm unable to find it at the moment.
[01:52] <LaserJock> hmm, I wouldl've just gone to the bugs I wanted
[01:53] <wgrant> kgoetz: Why not just go to one of the lists that doesn't have the bugs you've commented on?
[01:55] <kgoetz> wgrant: not sure i follow you
[01:55] <wgrant> kgoetz: If you don't want your commented bugs to be in your bugs list, go to one that doesn't include commented bugs instaed.
[01:58] <kgoetz> how does that work with bugs i'm subscribd to and have commented on?
[01:58] <kgoetz> tbh this feels rather work-aroundish
[01:59] <LaserJock> kgoetz: so go to the list of subscribed bugs
[01:59] <LaserJock> kgoetz: does that not work?
[01:59] <wgrant> Much like if I don't want a list of all Ubuntu bugs, I won't go to the page which lists all Ubuntu bugs.
[02:00] <wgrant> If I don't want all bugs I've commented on, I won't go to the page that displays them.
[02:02] <kgoetz> LaserJock: yeah, it does. guess i can ignore the 'all related bugs' link.
[02:02] <LaserJock> kgoetz: I do unless I want to see everything
[02:03] <kgoetz> LaserJock: i want to see everything thats still relevent ;)
[02:04] <kgoetz> afk. company meting ;|
[06:46] <LaserJock> you know, package subscription is really broken
[06:47] <LaserJock> it's very inconsistent and difficult to work with that a team can be subscribed to a package, but is subscribed to *none* of the bugs
[08:26] <Syntux> Hello, is there anyway to send a message to all team members, a team that I own?
[08:35] <siretart> mwhudson: is the rule that only svn trunk branches are imported definitive? see question #38158 for background. We would like to track an experimental branch of a project in order to provide test packages in a PPA
[08:56] <popey> Is there any way for us to configure launchpad mailing lists to "reply to list" ?
[09:41] <wgrant> cprov: Is there any way to see stable updates now?
[09:41] <wgrant> cprov: It seems that copies don't even appear on +queue.
[09:42] <cprov> wgrant: SRU were already there, what do you mean exactly ?
[09:43] <wgrant> cprov: Well, one can't see when things move to -updates, or security uploads once s-i-s is used.
[09:43] <wgrant> And I'm sure people care more about seeing updates post-release than pre-release.
[09:44] <cprov> wgrant: no, s-i-s won't help it.
[09:44] <cprov> wgrant: the copies have timestamp in the publishing history, no ?
[09:45] <wgrant> cprov: Correct, but there's no way to find what was updated.
[09:45] <wgrant> I can find what has happened to package X fine, but I don't know to look for package X.
[09:45] <wgrant> Whereas previously everything appeared on -changes, as copying was impossible.
[09:46] <cprov> wgrant: uhm, I don't think we have a bug filed about it.
[09:46] <wgrant> I guess what is really needed it a feed of BPPs.
[09:46] <wgrant> Er, SPPs.
[09:46] <cprov> wgrant: it's a good point, users should be able to see the publishing history per suite
[09:47] <wgrant> That would be wonderful.
[09:47] <wgrant> Shall I file it?
[09:47] <bigjools> a feed of history - nice idea
[09:48] <cprov> wgrant: yes, please
[09:48] <cprov> wgrant: don't get too excited about the 'feeds' right now ;)
[09:52] <wgrant> Bug #245434
[09:53] <cprov> wgrant: thank you!
[09:54] <wgrant> No, thank you for not shooting it down.
[09:56] <cprov> wgrant: err, i never shoot your bugs down, they are always great ideas :)
[09:56] <wgrant> I doubt it.
[09:58] <cprov> wgrant: don't, check your reported-bugs list and you will believe me. 
[10:00] <wgrant> True.
[10:02] <rasker> hello, The Smart Package Manager Team has recently started using Translations as the upstream for out translations. I have imported a couple of user contributed translations. they have been stuck in the queue for a few days. What do I need to do to fix this?
[10:02] <rasker> *our
[10:03] <rasker> they are stuck at needs review
[10:36] <norsetto> In the mentoring-reception, we have a bzr branch with some stuff in it. Apparently only me, as the admin, has write access to this branch. Is this correct? Can I extend write access to ALL member of the team?
[10:37] <wgrant> norsetto: That's not correct.
[10:37] <wgrant> All members of a team owning a branch can push to it.
[10:37] <rasker> can I get some help with the translation feature?
[10:38] <wgrant> rasker: I believe there's a bit of a backlog - maybe wait a couple more days.
[10:38] <norsetto> wgrant: members of the team are getting this message when trying to push " bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.UnlockableTransport: Cannot lock: transport is 
[10:38] <norsetto> read only: <bzrlib.transport.http._pycurl.PyCurlTransport
[10:38] <wgrant> Templates only have to be approved like this once - updates to them go through automatically.
[10:38] <wgrant> norsetto: bzr launchpad-login
[10:38] <wgrant> It doesn't know that user's username, so is using HTTP rather than bzr+ssh.
[10:39] <norsetto> wgrant: ok, so its probably a setup error on the member's side
[10:39] <rasker> wgrant: actually I think there is an issue with the imported files. These files add languages to a template. Is there any way I can see what problem tranlations is having so I can correct it?
[10:39] <wgrant> norsetto: It is. They need to run `bzr launchpad-login <their LP username>`
[10:39] <wgrant> rasker: They need to be approved by a human the first time.
[10:40] <norsetto> wgrant: ok, thanks, btw do you have any idea how long it takes for a team mailing list to be approved?
[10:40] <rasker> wgrant: ok I saw that. I have imported a bunch around the same time and they all got in pretty quick (~1-2days)
[10:40] <wgrant> norsetto: It is probably inversely proportional to square of the number of times you poke a ML admin.
[10:40] <wgrant> Although it will always happen eventually, it can always be sped up.
[10:41] <norsetto> wgrant: well, its the first time I poke, and I submitted the request 1 week ago ...
[10:42] <rasker> launchpad is swampped with it's success :)
[10:43] <rasker> wgrant: would the human who looks at the translation provide feedback if there was a problem? or would the files just stay in the queue?
[10:43] <wgrant> rasker: It would be a very strange design decision to have them left in the queue.
[10:44] <wgrant> So I suspect you'll be complained at if somebody finds a problem with it.
[10:44] <rasker> wgrant: ok cool, thanks for answering my questions
[10:46] <\sh> dear launchpad database admin + webadmin: please forgive the test of py-lp-bugs -> fetch projectlists test...
[10:47] <wgrant> \sh: I'll be listening to the news for the explosion in London.
[10:47] <\sh> wgrant: hehe
[10:47] <wgrant> Though lucas succeeded in mirroring all Ubuntu bugs.
[10:47] <norsetto> wgrant: since when are you working for LP?
[10:48] <wgrant> norsetto: I'm not.
[10:48] <\sh> wgrant: well, 94 page requests + start= + batch=75 is not good for the load on the db servers imho...I'll set the batch size to 300 the next size...that should decrease the load a little...;)
[10:49] <\sh> and as always: introducing new features is only doable with pain for others ,-)
[11:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[11:30] <mpt> kgoetz, where do you see the word "inactive" anywhere? Can you give an example URL?
[11:31] <\sh> phew...fetching the project list works now as expected for py-lp-bugs
[11:32] <wgrant> mpt: Only in the portlet on the left.
[11:32] <wgrant> Membership:
[11:32] <wgrant> 41 active members
[11:32] <wgrant> 10 inactive members
[11:33] <wgrant> But the body still uses 'active', though not 'inactive'.
[11:46] <mpt> kgoetz, I reported bug 245469 based on your question about excluding bug reports you've commented on
[11:47] <mpt> popey, no, and that's by design. Ask your friendly mail client vendor to add a "Reply to List" button.
[11:54] <mpt> wgrant, ah, I see. Reported as bug 245472.
[12:01] <popey> mpt: kinda knew you'd say that :)
[12:01] <popey> fact is it's configurable in mailman, it isn't in launchpad
[12:01] <popey> which says to me that mailman has features that launchpad doesn't
[12:01] <popey> making it less attractive from a mailman admin pov
[12:02] <mpt> Yes, one of the LP developers is one of the mailman core developers
[12:02] <lifeless> or in other words
[12:02] <lifeless> barry: your public popey aways
[12:02] <lifeless> *awaits*
[12:02] <mpt> as opposed to a private popey? :-)
[12:04]  * persia suspects a dropped comma
[12:06] <popey> Personally i dont mind, I use gods own mail client Mutt, so can cope, but some users just hate it
[12:06] <popey> 12:05:59 < Bassetts> in thunderbird do I "Reply All" to send to the list then? because its saying its going to popey with the list in CC
[12:06] <popey> ^ it's people like him, users
[12:08] <persia> popey: There's the replytolist plugin for thunderbird...
[12:09] <popey> passed that on, thanks persia 
[12:15] <andrea-bs> Where ended up the "Help" button which was at the left of every page in launchpad?
[12:22] <intellectronica> andrea-bs: in html heaven :)
[12:23] <intellectronica> andrea-bs: it is being replaced by a different type of inline help, where appropriate
[12:24] <andrea-bs> intellectronica: interesting, thanks
[12:26] <andrea-bs> intellectronica: can I propose to put help strings in a public bzr branch so the doc team will be able to access them?
[12:27] <intellectronica> andrea-bs: that's a very interesting idea! maybe talk to mrevell-lunch about it? (once he had his lunch - i wouldn't bother with a hungry mrevell)
[12:28] <intellectronica> andrea-bs: another option would be to use the translations system somehow
[12:28] <andrea-bs> intellectronica: yes, this would be nice :)
[13:06] <mrevell> andrea-bs: Hey, that's a good idea and one we've spoken about previously. 
[13:07] <mrevell> andrea-bs: I'll speak to some of the other guys on the team about the best way to go about it.
[13:07] <andrea-bs> mrevell: great, thanks
[13:08] <andrea-bs> mrevell: feel free to ping me if you need ;)
[13:08] <mrevell> andrea-bs: Sure, will do. I plan to start work on it next week, so expect to hear from me :)
[15:46] <kblin> hi folks
[16:15] <seb128> hi
[16:16] <seb128> "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later." is that expect when trying to access the librarian?
[16:16] <seb128> hum, seems to work again now
[16:18] <matsubara> seb128, yep, I quick update was done right now :-)
[16:18] <seb128> ok
[16:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> mpt, thanks
[17:25]  * Yhouse e' away (Sto andando via)
[21:16] <Rafik> hello
[21:16] <Rafik> any launchpad admin here please ? ^^
[21:19] <klette> Rafik: probably. Just ask you question and see if someone knows the answer or can help you in any other way. If its too confidential to ask on a public chanel, then email is probably the way to go :-)
[21:20] <Rafik> Hi klette, thanks
[21:20] <Rafik> I think I'll send an email :)
[23:22] <bbommarito> Evening all.
[23:28] <Peng> Haha, thanks to that bug, "Launchpad no longer mirrors this branch, because 5 attempts failed.".
[23:45] <bbommarito> When you first push a branch to Launchpad, how long does it typically take to scan?
[23:58] <Rinchen> normally a minute or two bbommarito 
[23:58] <Rinchen> at least for updates that's the norm