| jonpackard | secondly.. install guest additions BEFORE you install any updates.. not sure why but it seems to work better | 00:00 |
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| esac | jonpackard: i just uninstalled virtualbox in favor of vmware as windows xp seems to be doing better in vmware | 00:00 |
| jonpackard | I've been wanting to try KVM.. but i think it requires AMD or Intel CPU virtualization support.. which I don't have =( | 00:03 |
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| esac | i tried kvm as well, and had a few more stability problems than even virtualbox | 00:16 |
| esac | the only thing i havent tried is xen as this is on my laptop and i want compiz/nvidia driver support which doesnt work with the xen kernels | 00:17 |
| jonpackard | that reminds me.. the nvidia-glx-new module fails to load and the official NVidia installed fails with the message that the kernel in use is a Xen kernel.. weird | 00:21 |
| jonpackard | i have yet to get 3d accel with my 8600GT in intrepid.. thinking about trying the nouveau driver | 00:22 |
| jonpackard | d'oh i just checked.. Nouveau 3D accel is still in early delevopment.. I thought it was further along =( | 00:23 |
| esac | jonpackard: its telling you that it is a xen kernel on the generic kernel ? | 00:24 |
| jonpackard | yep | 00:25 |
| jonpackard | jon@jon-desktop:~$ uname -r | 00:26 |
| jonpackard | 2.6.26-2-generic | 00:26 |
| RAOF | jonpackard: Not only is nouveau 3d accel in early development, support for your 8600gt is in early development. | 00:37 |
| RAOF | Well, the "early development" isn't quite right; it's works reasonably for me, some of the time. | 00:37 |
| RAOF | But nv5x is very different to all the previous cards, and support is not so good for them. | 00:38 |
| RAOF | !nouveau | jonpackard you can try nouveau with the following, but don't expect it to be any better than the nv driver for you | 00:39 |
| ubottu | jonpackard you can try nouveau with the following, but don't expect it to be any better than the nv driver for you: Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support. Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive | 00:39 |
| jonpackard | thanks! | 00:40 |
| jonpackard | raof: I might be a bit off topic here, but when I try to install nouveau from that repo, apt cannot find the package linux-nouveau-modules | 00:45 |
| jonpackard | any suggestions? | 00:45 |
| RAOF | jonpackard: Run "sudo module-assistant auto-install drm-modules" first. | 00:45 |
| RAOF | jonpackard: That'll build the linux-nouveau-modules package for your current kernel. | 00:45 |
| jonpackard | I might be in over my head here.. having trouble with that command.. here's the error | 00:48 |
| jonpackard | debian/rules:12: /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make: No such file or directory ↑ | 00:48 |
| jonpackard | │ make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/quilt/quilt.make'. Stop. | 00:48 |
| RAOF | Bah! I need to fix that! | 00:49 |
| RAOF | sudo aptitude install quilt. | 00:49 |
| RAOF | That'll fix that problem. SOrry. | 00:50 |
| G_009 | is this nouveaux the precursor to how ibex will integrate 3d accel or just an option? | 00:52 |
| jonpackard | I'm sure RAOF can give u a better answer but in short it is just an option... | 00:54 |
| RAOF | G_009: It's unlikely (but possibly) that nouveau will be available in Intrepid. | 00:55 |
| RAOF | Furthermore, even if nouveau gets into intrepid, there is absolutely no chance that it will accelerate 3d out of the box. | 00:55 |
| RAOF | (Current status of 3d on nouveau is "maybe it works, no developer wants to hear if it doesn't"). | 00:56 |
| G_009 | 10-4 it makes for an interesting read too | 00:56 |
| jonpackard | thanks RAOF.. istalling nouveau now.. I'll let you know how it works for me =) | 00:57 |
| RAOF | If the needed infrastructure makes it into Intrepid I'll try to get nouveau in, too. Not because it does 3d, but because it's a _much_ better 2D driver than the 'nv' driver. | 00:57 |
| RAOF | At least for < nv5x (Geforce 8/9). | 00:58 |
| RAOF | In many ways it's a better 2d driver than the nvidia driver, too. | 00:58 |
| jonpackard | just curious.. what improvements are there? | 00:58 |
| jonpackard | brb.. restarting x to give nouveau a shot =) | 01:01 |
| RAOF | Hm. That looks ominous. | 01:04 |
| G_009 | "attempt fail: proceed to autodestruct" | 01:05 |
| RAOF | jonpackard: No joy? | 01:06 |
| esac | nouveau would be an interesting time to add support for direct graphics support for virtual machines | 01:06 |
| jonpackard | I'm running nouveau now.. still getting the occasional black flicker like I was getting with the nv driver.. vesa driver did not have this problem | 01:06 |
| RAOF | I'm not sure what you mean by 'black flicker'. Unless it's the full-screen black flash that happens when I run compiz+nvidia. | 01:07 |
| RAOF | Also, I'm pretty sure I mentioned that your card isn't in the nouveau sweet-spot. It's great that it's working, though :) | 01:07 |
| G_009 | "luck" is what they call it | 01:08 |
| jonpackard | it happens whenever I load a program or get a pop-up notification | 01:08 |
| RAOF | I think you've actually got a bit of kernel-modesetting on your nv5x, actually. I'm not sure how much of that's actually hooked up, though :). | 01:08 |
| G_009 | the presentation did not address virtual machines at all .. you're out of "luck" | 01:09 |
| RAOF | jonpackard: As in: the window pops filled with garbage that quickly disappears? | 01:09 |
| jonpackard | nope.. the whole screen has a very fast black flicker | 01:09 |
| RAOF | Woah. | 01:10 |
| jonpackard | im having the exact same issue with nv driver (in intrepid only) | 01:10 |
| RAOF | Hm. I'd file a bug against the nv driver, and probably nouveau as well. | 01:11 |
| jonpackard | I'd like to get my nvidia driver working so I can find out if it does the same thing too | 01:11 |
| RAOF | There's a patch on ubuntuforums which should allow you to build the nvidia kernel module. | 01:12 |
| jonpackard | cool thanks for the tip =) | 01:13 |
| RAOF | Oh, and the advantages of nouveau: on < nv5x you get - faster 2d than nvidia, and XRandR 1.2 support. | 01:14 |
| RAOF | On nv5x/nv6x you get... currently nothing, really. nouveau doesn't yet have good 2d accel on nv5x, and nv does XRandR1.2 on nv5x also. | 01:15 |
| jonpackard | patch for nvidia (intrepid) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=833633&highlight=nvidia | 01:23 |
| jonpackard | installing now.. brb =) | 01:23 |
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| aib | i'm trying to mix some intrepid packages with hardy. i added APT::Default-Release "stable"; to apt.conf and added the main intrepid repo to my sources.list, then ran apt-get -t intrepid install hello, but it still grabs hello from hardy. i followed the debian guide as much as possible http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html | 03:12 |
| lastent | hi, where can I upload my bugs for the alpha1? | 03:20 |
| RAOF | lastent: Launchpad.net, same as anything else. | 03:21 |
| lastent | RAOF, I though it qas qa.ubuntu.com | 03:22 |
| RAOF | lastent: Do you mean "Where do I document alpha1 install issues", or "Where do I file bugs against programs in Ubuntu"? | 03:23 |
| lastent | RAOF, bugs against programs in an alpha version | 03:24 |
| RAOF | Launchpad.net. | 03:24 |
| lastent | RAOF, ok | 03:24 |
| RAOF | qa.ubuntu.com is only for checking that the CDs work - that you can actually install from them. | 03:25 |
| lastent | RAOF, ok thanks | 03:26 |
| bri-h | I've been working on a strange sound problem and finally figured out how to fix it. Unfortunately, I have to killall pulseaudio to get sound from flashplugin-nonfree in ff3 or opera. Here's my question though. I've been monkeying around with all my sound related packages quite a bit. Is there a way to get back to the baseline install without a complete reinstall? I just want to make sure when pulse is fixed, I'll know it. Sh | 03:38 |
| jonpackard | molgrum: you asked earlier about the nouveau driver.. I was able to install it in Intrepid but had the same black screen flicker issue that I had with nv | 04:29 |
| jonpackard | Bug 245290 updated with new back trace.. I think I got all the symbol packages this time. | 04:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245290 in nautilus "[intrepid] nautilus crashes after last upgrade" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245290 | 04:43 |
| kristjan_ | that's neat. bug 13 | 04:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 13 in baz "empty signing rules lead to invalid checksums" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13 | 04:43 |
| kristjan_ | bu 1337 | 04:43 |
| kristjan_ | bug 1337 | 04:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1337 in malone "Distro release tasks should include name of distro" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337 | 04:43 |
| RAOF | jonpackard: Incidentally, have you filed that nv bug? | 04:43 |
| kristjan_ | bug 666 | 04:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 666 in malone "can't file a bug on Ubuntu" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/666 | 04:44 |
| jonpackard | not as of yet.. thanks for reminding me =) | 04:45 |
| kristjan_ | I kinda asked the same question yesterday: will intrepid come with xorg 1.5? | 04:45 |
| jonpackard | my intrepid is running xorg version 1:7.3+12ubuntu2.. not sure what the colon means | 04:48 |
| kristjan_ | jonpackard: that's not xorg version, this is package numbering | 04:48 |
| jonpackard | ahh thanks.. how do I check the xorg version? | 04:48 |
| kristjan_ | jonpackard: let me think, I have no idea | 04:49 |
| kristjan_ | jonpackard: try this: xdpyinfo | grep X.Org | 04:49 |
| jonpackard | that seems to have done it.. X.Org version: 1.4.0.90 | 04:51 |
| kristjan_ | jonpackard: so it's same right now as in hardy | 04:51 |
| RAOF | kristjan_: Yes. 1.5 is currently being merged. | 04:55 |
| RAOF | kristjan_: You may have noticed libdrm 2.3.1 today? That's the base of the stack needed to get 1.5 in Intrepid. | 04:56 |
| RAOF | (Next up is Mesa 7.1) | 04:56 |
| kristjan_ | RAOF: do you know if we will have a change to install novueau driver instead of nv? | 04:57 |
| RAOF | kristjan_: You won't get the nouveau driver without extra work. | 05:08 |
| RAOF | kristjan_: At the moment, you can get the nouveau driver from my PPA - it's not in Ubuntu proper. Intrepid _may_ (although this is unlikely) get new enough infrastructure for us to include Nouveau in Ubuntu proper, but it certainly isn't right now. | 05:09 |
| jonpackard | Reported bug about nv and nouveau drivers causing screen flickers: bug 245383 | 05:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245383 in ubuntu "[intrepid] Screen flickers when loading applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245383 | 05:11 |
| kristjan_ | RAOF: oh well, too bad. | 05:17 |
| RAOF | It's still possible that we'll be able to pull nouveau into Intrepid; just unlikely. | 05:19 |
| G_009 | nouveau is also based on nv so there is not much to offer .. but its better than nothing right now | 05:29 |
| h3sp4wn | I thought it was quite a bit better for eg xrender | 05:30 |
| G_009 | xrandr | 05:30 |
| G_009 | 1.2 | 05:30 |
| h3sp4wn | Those are 2 different things entirely | 05:31 |
| DanaG | odd... I have to run bitpim as root for it to be able to communicate with my phone over the USB cable. | 05:32 |
| DanaG | Great, and now Nautilus just crashed.... about 10 times in rapid succession. | 05:33 |
| G_009 | you got the bug of the day | 05:34 |
| DanaG | s/in/...in/ | 05:34 |
| DanaG | and gvfs with samba is way slow. | 05:34 |
| G_009 | actually .. you got yesterday's bug of the day | 05:35 |
| DanaG | argh, how do I disable single-click mode in kde4 konqueror? | 05:37 |
| DanaG | the systemsettings thingy has lots of missing panels. | 05:37 |
| h3sp4wn | Try dcop | 05:38 |
| DanaG | The shared library was not found.Library "kcm_input" not found | 05:39 |
| DanaG | Yes, it did smack it together after the period like that. | 05:39 |
| RAOF | G_009: nouveau is significantly different to nv. If you had the option, you'd always go nouveau. | 05:40 |
| DanaG | Too bad nouveau doesn't do suspend2ram. | 05:40 |
| RAOF | Neither does nv. | 05:40 |
| hyperair | but there isn't a nouveau package in nv | 05:40 |
| hyperair | i mean | 05:40 |
| hyperair | in ubutnu | 05:40 |
| hyperair | *ubuntu | 05:40 |
| RAOF | Right. Because it's highly experimental, and needs stuff we don't have. | 05:40 |
| RAOF | On the other hand, _I_ use it :) | 05:40 |
| hyperair | ah | 05:40 |
| hyperair | how? | 05:41 |
| hyperair | make install ? | 05:41 |
| RAOF | Like this: | 05:41 |
| RAOF | !nouveau | 05:41 |
| ubottu | Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support. Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive | 05:41 |
| G_009 | am not dissing nouveau.. just saying it is based on nv | 05:41 |
| DanaG | And _I_ am buying ATI next time. | 05:41 |
| hyperair | aah | 05:41 |
| hyperair | i see | 05:41 |
| hyperair | speaking of ati, how is the catalyst driver? | 05:41 |
| RAOF | Right. It certainly is based on nv. And then had the 2d accel and modesetting totally rewritten :) | 05:41 |
| hyperair | and nouveau doesn't have 3d accel yet right? | 05:41 |
| RAOF | Kinda. | 05:41 |
| * RAOF 's does, but you wouldn't want to depend on it for anything. | 05:42 | |
| hyperair | i see | 05:42 |
| hyperair | is there a page showing how far support for certain cards have gone? | 05:42 |
| h3sp4wn | Seems like how I feel about compiz | 05:42 |
| RAOF | Not really. Current 3d support is "nv4x probably works quite a lot. nv5x has just had some gallium code committed, but not hooked up. nv3x has some work. Before then, gallium works against you". | 05:43 |
| G_009 | tinkers' only realm type thing | 05:43 |
| jonpackard | DanaG: see bug 245290 | 05:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245290 in nautilus "[intrepid] nautilus crashes after last upgrade" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245290 | 05:43 |
| hyperair | i've got nv18 | 05:44 |
| RAOF | hyperair: Oldschool. That's... Geforce 2? | 05:44 |
| hyperair | 4 | 05:44 |
| hyperair | geforce4 | 05:44 |
| h3sp4wn | RAOF: Thats one of the main things that pisses me off with Xorg | 05:44 |
| DanaG | Wow, bitpim under Linux sucks compared to it under Windows, for some reason. | 05:44 |
| RAOF | h3sp4wn: What? | 05:44 |
| RAOF | hyperair: Really? It's not a Geforce4MX? | 05:44 |
| hyperair | sorry | 05:45 |
| hyperair | geforce4 mx 440 agp8x | 05:45 |
| RAOF | Hah! Geforce2 :P | 05:45 |
| hyperair | not that my mobo supports agp8x anyway | 05:45 |
| hyperair | lol | 05:45 |
| jonpackard | that card wah the sh!t back in what.. 2001? | 05:45 |
| hyperair | it's a geforce2 on steroids | 05:45 |
| DanaG | I found an ATI Rage 128 somewhere today. | 05:45 |
| hyperair | but the code name is geforce4 mx | 05:45 |
| h3sp4wn | RAOF: That stuff that perfectly fine gets messed up seemingly without any regression testing | 05:45 |
| hyperair | my computer was bought in 2004 i think. | 05:45 |
| RAOF | h3sp4wn: W | 05:46 |
| RAOF | h3sp4wn: I'm still not sure what part of my comments you're referring to. Nvidia support has _never_ been perfectly fine, as far as I'm aware :) | 05:46 |
| G_009 | am running nv on a mx4000.. i can wait | 05:46 |
| jonpackard | im fairly happy with nvidia w/ proprietary drivers.. I use dual screen at work and it is flawless.. i would prefer an OSS solution though | 05:47 |
| h3sp4wn | RAOF: The r200 support is useless these days and it was once the best supported linux had | 05:47 |
| h3sp4wn | I worry about similar issues with any opensource driver | 05:48 |
| h3sp4wn | (as the maker will only pay for the newest stuff etc) | 05:48 |
| DanaG | !find kcm_input | 05:49 |
| ubottu | File kcm_input found in kcontrol, kdebase-workspace-bin, kdebase-workspace-dbg | 05:49 |
| G_009 | this is just alpha2 .. its not so bad | 05:49 |
| RAOF | jonpackard: I find nouveau's dual-screen to work better than nvidia's (it seems to handle the dynamic switching of monitors better). | 05:50 |
| jonpackard | are we up to alpha2 already? thought we were still on alpha1.. while I was checking distrowatch though.. 8.04.1 was just released.. an update release already?? weird | 05:50 |
| RAOF | h3sp4wn: Really? I thought r200 was still well supported. How did it go backwards? | 05:51 |
| h3sp4wn | RAOF: Just bit rot I guess its the little things small glitches etc | 05:52 |
| jonpackard | RAOF: i might give it a try sometime.. i have a 7600GS and am running Hardy at work.. I don't need 3D.. would you recommend it? | 05:52 |
| h3sp4wn | RAOF: It was really well polished | 05:52 |
| G_009 | that nvidia fix on amaranth blog didnt work for you jonpackard >? | 05:53 |
| DanaG | Time to boot Windows again, to use bitpim. | 05:54 |
| RAOF | jonpackard: I use it on my 7600Go; They're nv4x cards, and are the best supported. | 05:54 |
| jonpackard | G_009 I found a patch but it was for the last kernel.. I'll check again later | 05:55 |
| DanaG | wtf? kde4 won't accept font size 9.5. | 05:55 |
| G_009 | bummer | 05:55 |
| RAOF | For a work machine I'm not sure if I'd recommend them; they are, after all, still experimental. That said, I use them. | 05:55 |
| RAOF | And they're faster than the closed-source drivers, which is pretty cool. | 05:55 |
| jonpackard | RAOF: Thanks for the tips. =) | 05:55 |
| hyperair | if only they'd support 3d | 05:55 |
| h3sp4wn | I cannot imagine ever wanting a non xig xserver for work | 05:56 |
| jonpackard | Bug reported about pulseaudio problem in intrepid: bug 245389 | 05:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245389 in pulseaudio "[intrepid] Pulseaudio has no sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245389 | 05:56 |
| G_009 | :-/ | 05:57 |
| RAOF | hyperair: You might be surprised how much you miss 2d acceleration when it's not there. | 05:58 |
| hyperair | i'm not surprised how much i miss 3d acceleration when it's not there | 05:58 |
| hyperair | >=( | 05:58 |
| RAOF | Right. And, well... you could write the 3d accel? :) | 05:58 |
| h3sp4wn | Good 2d acceleration is more important for most of what I am doing | 05:59 |
| RAOF | I don't have anything more for you on that count :) | 05:59 |
| jonpackard | G_009: Do you have a link for that nvidia fix in intrepid? I can't seem to find it. | 05:59 |
| hyperair | ...i can't even write a slightly more than simple gtkmm application and you're asking me to write 3d acceleration | 05:59 |
| G_009 | nah.. i killed my session.. but it was in the forums under amaranth's postings | 06:00 |
| h3sp4wn | Are thye hacking on the video bios as well ? | 06:01 |
| RAOF | h3sp4wn: No? Why would they? | 06:02 |
| RAOF | Someone's writing a bios interpreter I think. Because that's useful. | 06:02 |
| RAOF | They're using the radeon, not the radeonhd, method of programming modern video cards. | 06:02 |
| h3sp4wn | RAOF: I am sure there are things that could be done nvidia has not thought of | 06:02 |
| G_009 | jonpackard: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=833633&highlight=nvidia | 06:05 |
| h3sp4wn | Otherwide you are sitll a slave to nvidia's original design | 06:05 |
| RAOF | h3sp4wn: Yes and no. | 06:06 |
| RAOF | It seems stupid to me to not use the code the manufacturer put there to do the boring stuff (initialise the card, reset the 3d engine, whatever). | 06:06 |
| RAOF | It doesn't seem to me that there's any useful innovation to be done there; those are merely necessary, boring steps to be taken before you can _do_ interesting stuff. | 06:08 |
| h3sp4wn | I mean more like what they define should be used for what purpose | 06:08 |
| h3sp4wn | or imply by their current drivers | 06:08 |
| crdlb | and with ati's bios, you can replace bits that are broken at runtime | 06:08 |
| crdlb | when you find those infinite resources, then we can worry about that ... | 06:10 |
| * G_009 installs wine | 06:10 | |
| h3sp4wn | Sun has some pretty decent graphics cards (mid range) that use just a few FPGAs | 06:12 |
| RAOF | It's possible that I'm wrong; maybe the radeonhd approach will prove to be better at some point. I just don't see it (and, apparently, neither do the radeon developers). | 06:13 |
| h3sp4wn | Academia ussually finds time to do one of each type of product correctly | 06:13 |
| * crdlb doesn't think it's possible for arlied to be wrong | 06:13 | |
| G_009 | ATI going opensource is still a myth | 06:13 |
| h3sp4wn | Who is the main developer of it | 06:14 |
| crdlb | G_009: ATI releasing specs to facilitate open source drivers is not though | 06:14 |
| h3sp4wn | (I thought the intel guy and xig were the only people with the experience to write good drivers) | 06:14 |
| G_009 | yah.. a beam of light in the vast darkness of space | 06:14 |
| crdlb | oh, and they're employing one of the radeon developers now | 06:15 |
| G_009 | am an nvidia fan boy (if there is such a thing) | 06:20 |
| jonpackard | G_009: thanks for the link.. this is the patch that I tried.. it failed to compile in 2.6.26-2-generic.. I don't see any detailed information about getting nvidia drivers working in this kernel =( | 06:20 |
| crdlb | I'm sorry to hear that | 06:20 |
| BHSPitLappy | hey now, it's no longer popular to like nvidia | 06:20 |
| BHSPitLappy | their drivers aren't free enough! | 06:21 |
| G_009 | that's even better reason for me, bhs | 06:21 |
| crdlb | time for the pitchforks and such ... | 06:21 |
| G_009 | 'sides.. the logo is pretty catchy | 06:21 |
| BHSPitLappy | quick, everybody don the masks Stallman sent us! | 06:21 |
| BHSPitLappy | it's time to march onto nvidia's HQ | 06:22 |
| G_009 | :-/ that's all i got in that respect , jon | 06:22 |
| h3sp4wn | my nvidia drivers are pretty fast as long as I don't bother with compiz | 06:24 |
| G_009 | lemme add that nv works fine in my x86 (default install) | 06:25 |
| jonpackard | which card do u have G_009? | 06:25 |
| G_009 | geforce4 mx4000 | 06:26 |
| jonpackard | lol.. u and hyperair.. that card is a classic.. was THE card back in the day =) | 06:28 |
| G_009 | yah.. and still going after so much abuse.. | 06:29 |
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| h3sp4wn | Was it I thought the 4mx was just a slightly higher clocked geforfce 2 | 06:31 |
| h3sp4wn | The ti was the one to have | 06:31 |
| jonpackard | i forgot about that one h3sp4wn, nice memory! =) | 06:32 |
| G_009 | this one is still capable of about a few million polygons/per frame | 06:32 |
| G_009 | makes me nostalgic .. | 06:33 |
| jonpackard | I think I have a Geforce 2 or 4 AGP in a box in my shed right now.. don't have a PC to put it in though =p | 06:35 |
| G_009 | i have a 1ghz amd that mihgt take it | 06:35 |
| G_009 | this is #offtopic anyway | 06:36 |
| jonpackard | yeah.. should move it to #geforce-nostalgia =) | 06:37 |
| jonpackard | so is everybody's nautilus in intrepid broken at this point? seems a good few people have had problems with it | 06:38 |
| G_009 | not mine.. and i have 2 hdd's to look stuff on | 06:39 |
| jonpackard | looks like I was reporting my problem under the wrong bug report.. this seems to be the right one.. bug 245394 | 06:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245394 in nautilus "(Intrepid) Nautilus segfault on new install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245394 | 06:47 |
| === crd1b is now known as crdlb | ||
| nickwinl | I think the start up menus in Intrepid run faster. | 07:28 |
| nickwinl | I'm sifting through the UbuntuBugDay page now | 07:29 |
| nickwinl | is there a binary like acpi that can reverse engineer BIOS and firmware settings on the fly? That damn permanent DoS bug (pDoS) which affects mice and eviscerates GNOME desktops is still floating around, I think. | 07:33 |
| nickwinl | Here is a version of that pDoS attack: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/226641 | 07:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 226641 in xorg "Mouse not working right " [Undecided,New] | 07:39 |
| raj_ | hi | 07:47 |
| raj_ | Hello can anyone tell me the C code for reading ISO file and converting that in to Hex file | 07:48 |
| nickwinl | p-DoS related -- I think these questions get software specific: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+question/38186 | 08:57 |
| apparle | I wanted to know whether Kubuntu 8.10 is going to run on KDE4 or KDE3.5 | 09:29 |
| hyperair | you mean 4.1 | 09:29 |
| apparle | hyperair: I mean is it going to run on 4.x or 3.x | 09:30 |
| hyperair | ah | 09:31 |
| hyperair | i saw a lot of applications losing the -kde4 suffix | 09:31 |
| hyperair | so i suppose it would run on 4.x | 09:31 |
| hyperair | but don't take my word for it | 09:31 |
| hyperair | it's just speculation | 09:31 |
| apparle | anyone tried kubuntu alpha | 09:33 |
| hyperair | not me | 09:33 |
| hyperair | i'm a staunch gnome fan | 09:33 |
| hyperair | also i won't be using ubuntu until compiz fusion works again for me. (no nvidia) | 09:33 |
| G_009 | gnome forever!! | 09:34 |
| hyperair | lol | 09:34 |
| apparle | is there any channel where we can fight over Gnome and KDE | 09:35 |
| G_009 | footsies in thy interface! | 09:35 |
| hyperair | doubt it | 09:35 |
| hyperair | you could always just create a temporary new channel. but don't quote me on that. i'm not taking any responsibilities on what i said | 09:36 |
| G_009 | you could go #offtopic , but thats full of gtk folks.. | 09:36 |
| hyperair | lol | 09:36 |
| hyperair | i see 8 in total | 09:37 |
| TheInfinity | apparle: i am kde4.1 tester | 09:37 |
| hyperair | including ChanServ | 09:37 |
| G_009 | time to find out if i'll get that nautilus bug | 09:48 |
| apparle | cool | 09:58 |
| sacarde_ | hi | 10:28 |
| sacarde_ | hi h3sp4wn | 10:28 |
| sacarde_ | I try to install with debootstrap | 10:28 |
| sacarde_ | but for ppc there are some problem | 10:28 |
| sacarde_ | i386 go OK | 10:28 |
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| raj_ | i have one ISO file , i want to read each byte of that ISO file and also i have to convert that ISO file in HEX file, and i want to wright C code for this | 12:04 |
| bazhang | raj_, try ##c | 12:04 |
| sarthor | Hi, getting help here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ov51x#Compile but the command (sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-uname -r ) Giving the error [E: Command line option 'r' [from -r] is not known.] how to fix this. and I think it shuld not creat any error | 12:19 |
| sarthor | using Hardy | 12:19 |
| sarthor | Hi, getting help here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ov51x#Compile but the command (sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-uname -r ) Giving the error [E: Command line option 'r' [from -r] is not known.] how to fix this. and I think it shuld not creat any error, Using hardy | 12:23 |
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| jonpackard | you could check your kernel version by running uname -r and enter it manually | 12:24 |
| jonpackard | i think your missing some syntax doing it that way | 12:24 |
| jonpackard | it looks like bug 245290 has been fixed.. just waiting it to be pushed to the repo i guess =) | 12:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245290 in glib2.0 "nautilus crashes after libglib upgrade" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245290 | 12:34 |
| jonpackard | sarthor: the correct command is... | 13:00 |
| jonpackard | sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` | 13:00 |
| jonpackard | i am submitting a correction for that wiki page | 13:00 |
| sacarde_ | h3sp4wn, I ask to boot-list, they tell me that ppc is not supported | 13:01 |
| Hobbsee | !ping | 13:21 |
| ubottu | ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore | 13:21 |
| DanglyBits | anyone else having problems with sound under ibex? | 13:56 |
| Hobbsee | DanglyBits: sound that sounds scratchy? | 13:57 |
| DanglyBits | no sound at all | 13:58 |
| Hobbsee | hm | 14:00 |
| dholbach | Global Bug Jam Preparation Session in #ubuntu-meeting in 16 minutes. | 16:44 |
| molgrum | nvidia drivers soon? :) | 19:11 |
| molgrum | i notice that this bug is still present in Ibex: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/243707 | 19:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 243707 in ubuntu "USB port keeps resetting Logitech mx500 mouse" [Undecided,New] | 19:12 |
| geek_inn2 | ohh | 19:53 |
| geek_inn2 | will hibernate work in ibex even blueprints doesnt point anything about this issue | 19:56 |
| pheeror | it depends on hw | 19:57 |
| geek_inn2 | hardware,well it worked previously in dapper | 19:58 |
| pheeror | you can wait for live cd and try it then | 19:58 |
| geek_inn2 | u mean next alpha | 19:59 |
| pheeror | dunno | 19:59 |
| geek_inn2 | on 10th july........alpha2 | 19:59 |
| pheeror | you can check cdimage from time to time | 19:59 |
| geek_inn2 | u mean nightly builds...... | 20:01 |
| geek_inn2 | hey why is room very calm | 20:01 |
| pheeror | ibex is probably rock solid and nobody has problems with it | 20:02 |
| pheeror | (joke) | 20:02 |
| geek_inn2 | there are no big surprises in ibex,i feel some of my bugs get fixed(screen resolution,tv tuner card,new theme) | 20:04 |
| geek_inn2 | i hate black/brown and dark for now | 20:04 |
| pheeror | and the new ugly theme, yeah ;-) | 20:04 |
| geek_inn2 | where is bullet proof x server? i get screen resolution probs setting 800*600 | 20:06 |
| pheeror | probably stuck somewhere in the future :-D | 20:07 |
| tomd123 | alpha 1 is pretty stable for me, everything is fixed by the updates except the problem with pulseaudio not working (alsa works though) | 20:12 |
| geek_inn2 | what if i want 2 upgrade 2 hardy 8.04.1 | 20:13 |
| pheeror | doesn't work at all ? | 20:13 |
| tomd123 | pheeror: It's called System->Preferences->Appearance or http://www.gnome-look.org/ (Remember, Linux != Windows) | 20:13 |
| pheeror | tomd123: no sh*t | 20:14 |
| pheeror | but still, default matters | 20:15 |
| tomd123 | pheeror: again, windows talk | 20:15 |
| geek_inn2 | i think metacity is waste and shud be replace by single theme...no gtk,no metacity | 20:15 |
| pheeror | tomd123: actually, this is quote from openbsd documentation regarding security :-) | 20:15 |
| geek_inn2 | pheeror are u dev | 20:16 |
| pheeror | no | 20:16 |
| tomd123 | pheeror: well I thought you where talking about the theme, that's what we're talking about, isn't it? | 20:16 |
| geek_inn2 | or just user,any brainstorming ideas..... | 20:16 |
| pheeror | btw acording 8.04.1 - it's only about new installation media | 20:17 |
| pheeror | if you are updating regularly, the release means nothing for you | 20:17 |
| tomd123 | anyone know when they will 'officially' support usb install? alpha 2 maybe? | 20:17 |
| pheeror | i've been thinking about making an utility to transform "any" bootable cd to usb, btw | 20:18 |
| geek_inn2 | gr8 newz | 20:18 |
| geek_inn2 | pheeror | 20:18 |
| pheeror | and I found out that's not possible to do something like that, of course | 20:19 |
| geek_inn2 | why isnt dev's interested in contacting devaintart team,no blueprints,also fonts wont be fixed | 20:19 |
| pheeror | but maybe with some detecting it could work well enough | 20:20 |
| geek_inn2 | hey how do i enable intel drivers | 20:24 |
| blizzkid | lo all. I have a bit of an annoying problem. When I boot my laptop; wifi is not working. When I toggle the hardware wifi-switch off and on, it works. Same after reboot. This is happening in both hardy and intrepid. It was working fine in gutsy with a madwifi-patch | 20:25 |
| blizzkid | Any idea if it'll be possible to fix this annoyance? | 20:25 |
| pheeror | intel drivers? which one(s) do you mean specifically - because lot of their drivers are open-source and work oob? | 20:27 |
| geek_inn2 | i have intel 845board | 20:27 |
| geek_inn2 | so i want2 enable onboard graphics 2 handle screen resolution 800*600 | 20:27 |
| pheeror | hm, i think it should work out of the box | 20:29 |
| pheeror | but you can check what gpu you have by lspci |grep VGA | 20:30 |
| pheeror | xorg should autodetect the needed driver automagically | 20:31 |
| pheeror | I can rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf and everything (even 3D accel and compiz) keeps working just fine (I have intel G31) | 20:32 |
| geek_inn2 | no.its scambling the screen .flickring when i set | 20:33 |
| geek_inn2 | rm * will distroy | 20:33 |
| geek_inn2 | isnt it | 20:33 |
| geek_inn2 | hey i have intel mobo no graphics card | 20:33 |
| geek_inn2 | so no gpu | 20:34 |
| pheeror | ah | 20:34 |
| geek_inn2 | hibernate will work on some hw interesting........... | 20:36 |
| geek_inn2 | but more ppl are yelling it doesnt work anymore | 20:36 |
| pheeror | I guess the gpu is a piece of silicon specifically intended to accel graphics, no matter it's part of mobo or not | 20:36 |
| pheeror | yeah, most of people are yelling | 20:37 |
| geek_inn2 | i wonder what u want 2 point....i wanna just get that resolution to match my monitor | 20:38 |
| geek_inn2 | u said xorg works great.....xorg sets small resolution for big monitors and big resolution for small monitors | 20:39 |
| pheeror | my point _was_ that it's a bug and you can find what causes it | 20:39 |
| geek_inn2 | i mean 800*600 good for crt not lcd | 20:39 |
| pheeror | I don't praise xorg, anyway, has it detected your gpu and set the "intel" driver? | 20:40 |
| geek_inn2 | same for sets lcd:800*600 not 1280*1024 ,while it sets crt:1280*1024 when i need 800*600 | 20:40 |
| pheeror | do you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed (it should be by default) ? | 20:41 |
| geek_inn2 | gotto login and see.iam quite dippresses with seeing resolution prob so i booted into xp | 20:41 |
| geek_inn2 | list all commands i need 2 try out | 20:41 |
| pheeror | you can also check "db" of known pciids (if it xorg autodetection works like that :-)) | 20:42 |
| geek_inn2 | iam freeekingly new 2 cli | 20:42 |
| geek_inn2 | (never used terminal b4,just sudo apt-get install foo) | 20:43 |
| pheeror | first of all you should reboot to ubuntu so we can find out where the problem is | 20:43 |
| pheeror | it's something like shutdown -h -r :-) (in windows ;-) ) | 20:43 |
| geek_inn2 | ok then i have 2 set my account in IRC ..using software in xp | 20:44 |
| pheeror | and install some nice irc client - I personally like xchat | 20:44 |
| geek_inn2 | xchat for linux? | 20:44 |
| pheeror | aptitude install xchat or click on applications->add/remove ..... | 20:44 |
| geek_inn2 | it will take long ..u say i have 2 reboot...u will wait | 20:44 |
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| geek_inn2 | and what is the channel name | 20:45 |
| geek_inn2 | wait for 10 minutes i will reboot | 20:45 |
| geek_inn2 | no... iam checking hibernate bug in launchpad | 20:46 |
| geek_inn2 | so wait more | 20:46 |
| * hyperair wonders if nvidia is due to arrive in intrepid any time soon | 20:47 | |
| geek_inn2 | back2basics | 21:01 |
| geek_inn2 | pheeror......... | 21:02 |
| geek_inn2 | iam back | 21:02 |
| geek_inn2 | luckly hibernate works | 21:02 |
| * molgrum shares hyperair's thoughts | 21:06 | |
| molgrum | after this i will never upgrade to an alpha again :P | 21:06 |
| JontheEchidna | After alpha 3 or 4 it's usually not that bad... | 21:07 |
| pheeror | geek_inn2: nice | 21:08 |
| geek_inn2 | ok | 21:08 |
| geek_inn2 | luckly hibernate works | 21:08 |
| pheeror | and graphics? | 21:09 |
| geek_inn2 | now say what cmds do i need 2 type | 21:09 |
| geek_inn2 | no screen still | 21:09 |
| pheeror | to do what? | 21:09 |
| geek_inn2 | there should have been nice effect when hibernating | 21:10 |
| geek_inn2 | u said i need 2 type some commands to check for screen resolution | 21:10 |
| geek_inn2 | check gpu etc | 21:11 |
| pheeror | you can check what gpu you have by lspci |grep -v VGA | 21:11 |
| pheeror | without -v | 21:11 |
| pheeror | lspci -nn|grep VGA will also show pci ids (vendor and device) | 21:12 |
| lamalex_2 | dont you mean lspci -v |grep VGA | 21:12 |
| lamalex_2 | grep -v VGA searches for anything BUT VGA | 21:12 |
| pheeror | sure | 21:13 |
| pheeror | you're right | 21:13 |
| geek_inn2 | ok for xorg.... | 21:13 |
| geek_inn2 | it says intel 82845 | 21:13 |
| lamalex_2 | and if you're grepping, doing -v wont do anything sine VGA is only on the first line anyway | 21:13 |
| geek_inn2 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 03) | 21:14 |
| pheeror | know you can check if you have intel driver installed sudo dpkg -l|grep intel - but i would wonder if you didn't | 21:15 |
| pheeror | ii xserver-xorg-video-intel ... is what you want to see | 21:16 |
| pheeror | or rather what you don't want to see because then you know what's wrong ;-) | 21:16 |
| geek_inn2 | ii wvdial 1.60.1 PPP dialer with built-in intelligence | 21:17 |
| geek_inn2 | ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.2.1-1ubuntu13.5 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver | 21:17 |
| geek_inn2 | now what | 21:17 |
| pheeror | you can run xrandr to check what resolutions are really available | 21:18 |
| geek_inn2 | intel 945 guide says to put mode 62 i think in xorg? | 21:18 |
| geek_inn2 | yes ! i did 800*600 is supported but screen filckers when i change thro' screen/resolution >>in system>>pref | 21:20 |
| pheeror | eh, so you want to lower your resolution?? ;-) | 21:20 |
| geek_inn2 | yes if its possible ....just for a change it should work like robust isnt? | 21:21 |
| geek_inn2 | bullet prooof? | 21:22 |
| pheeror | xorg and bullet proof? ;-) | 21:22 |
| pheeror | btw do you have working 3D? | 21:22 |
| geek_inn2 | no i dont have | 21:22 |
| geek_inn2 | no graphics card is real issue? | 21:23 |
| pheeror | I misunderstood your problem, I thought you were stuck with 800x600 because xorg used vesa driver as a fallback | 21:23 |
| pheeror | whatever | 21:23 |
| geek_inn2 | no iam in xorg only i think no vesa | 21:23 |
| geek_inn2 | so what u say | 21:24 |
| pheeror | just out of curiosity if you 'grep drm /var/log/Xorg.0.log' do you see something like (II) [drm] loaded kernel module for "i915" driver. ? | 21:26 |
| pheeror | or glxinfo|grep DRI and OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) G33 20061017 | 21:26 |
| pheeror | btw did you try different refresh rate ? ;-) | 21:27 |
| geek_inn2 | please tell me exact command: | 21:27 |
| pheeror | I didn't know this utility supports it because I have only LCDs | 21:28 |
| pheeror | i don't know wheter xrandr can do it | 21:28 |
| pheeror | yeah it's --rate parameter but i'd rather use the gui utility you used before | 21:28 |
| pheeror | and besides setting the resolution also try various refresh rates | 21:29 |
| geek_inn2 | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2 | 21:29 |
| pheeror | from you cli you can do it by xrandr | grep 800x600 | 21:29 |
| geek_inn2 | the o/p of glxinfo|grep DRI | 21:29 |
| pheeror | and then xrandr -s 800x600 -r <various_numbers_you_saw_in_the_output_of_the_grep_command> | 21:30 |
| geek_inn2 | no output | 21:30 |
| geek_inn2 | VFS: busy inodes on changed media | 21:31 |
| pheeror | but i recommand use of that sexy gui tool | 21:31 |
| geek_inn2 | dmesg says: VFS: busy inodes on changed media | 21:31 |
| geek_inn2 | which application | 21:31 |
| pheeror | screen/resolution >>in system>>pref | 21:32 |
| pheeror | try some other refresh rate | 21:32 |
| geek_inn2 | if it still does....restart? | 21:33 |
| geek_inn2 | i mean if it wont work | 21:33 |
| geek_inn2 | so u have intel g33 mobo and lcd.... | 21:34 |
| geek_inn2 | can have ur system specs> | 21:34 |
| geek_inn2 | <dont mind> | 21:34 |
| geek_inn2 | what is cloned output? | 21:37 |
| pheeror | why? http://pastebin.com/m2416d0c7 | 21:37 |
| geek_inn2 | hey i didnt ask ur cli o/p | 21:38 |
| geek_inn2 | i said like intelg33,core2 what pc u have | 21:38 |
| pheeror | just go through it ;-) | 21:40 |
| pheeror | there is the rest ... http://pastebin.com/f330a59b | 21:41 |
| pheeror | that dmidecode is especially intresting | 21:42 |
| geek_inn2 | system information i get should be neat to understand /system monitor gives little:http://i28.tinypic.com/jz72id.jpg | 21:42 |
| pheeror | Serial Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M. and so on :-) | 21:42 |
| geek_inn2 | thats mine pc | 21:42 |
| geek_inn2 | see:http://i28.tinypic.com/jz72id.jpg | 21:42 |
| geek_inn2 | take screenshot and post it there | 21:42 |
| geek_inn2 | give me link | 21:42 |
| geek_inn2 | got it? | 21:43 |
| pheeror | nope | 21:44 |
| * pheeror 's gonna watch 24 tv series | 21:44 | |
| pheeror | did setting different refresh rate work btw ? | 21:45 |
| geek_inn2 | hey have u seen my system specs in system monitor :about | 21:45 |
| geek_inn2 | now show me ur pc | 21:45 |
| geek_inn2 | post it there ur system screenshot | 21:45 |
| geek_inn2 | pheeror dude | 21:45 |
| pheeror | pfff | 21:45 |
| geek_inn2 | i didnt try ...afraid of crash now | 21:46 |
| pheeror | kthxbye | 21:46 |
| pheeror | s/thx//:-DD | 21:46 |
| geek_inn2 | whooooooot. | 21:46 |
| geek_inn2 | i wonder if ubuntu supported mail...service like they supported xchat | 21:47 |
| geek_inn2 | are u ready to give me specs or should i go | 21:48 |
| geek_inn2 | its late here | 21:48 |
| geek_inn2 | in my country | 21:48 |
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| G_009 | updates time! | 22:56 |
| G_009 | i see a glx thing for mesa.. some stuff for xserver.. cool... | 22:59 |
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| G_009 | FF download placeholder: files seem to be autoremoved after dl complete | 23:20 |
| td123 | is anyone here running blender successfully on the most up to date 8.10alpha1 | 23:32 |
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