=== ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Jul 16:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 19:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 08 Jul 15:00 UTC: Server Team === johnc4511-laptop is now known as johnc4510-laptop === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Jul 16:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 19:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Marketing | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === ArneGoet1e is now known as ArneGoetje === mdz_ is now known as mdz === Zic is now known as Zic`Angine === Zic`Angine is now known as Zic === james_w_ is now known as james_w === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 Jul 16:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 19:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Marketing | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 08 Jul 15:00 UTC: Server Team === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: How to run a Bug Jam | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 05 Jul 19:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Marketing | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 08 Jul 15:00 UTC: Server Team === parthan is now known as techno_freak [16:56] hi techno_freak :) [16:57] dholbach, hi :) [16:57] hey hey hey [16:57] hi pedro_! :) [16:57] did you see my newest blog post? [16:57] hello dholbach! [16:57] Bug Jam organisation in Perú and Nicaragua seem to be going on VERY well :) [16:58] no i haven't yet [16:58] * pedro_ looking [16:58] http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=135 [16:59] niiice ! [16:59] yeah -that's what I thought! :) [17:00] so welcome everybody to the Global Bug Jam preparation session! [17:00] who do we have here for the session today? [17:00] dholbach, I have people preparing in at least 3 cities to group up during Bug Jam :) [17:00] techno_freak: GREAT - which cities are those? [17:00] dholbach, Mumbai, Bangalore and Chennai, yet to hear from Delhi guys [17:00] techno_freak,(dholbach) : hope in India we make it as a success [17:03] grrr, net work [17:03] techno_freak,(dholbach) : hope in India we make it as a success [17:03] awesome [17:03] maybe on my trip to India I should meet up with the guys in Delhi and talk to them directly :-) [17:04] unfortunately I won't make it to Mumbai, Bangalore and Chennai [17:04] techno_freak: if you can share contacts for the Delhi team with me, that'd be nice [17:04] hi leogg! [17:04] hi dholbach :) [17:04] dholbach, sure, will send you a mail CC'ed to those guys :) [17:04] leogg: thanks for the great interview [17:04] techno_freak: thanks a lot! [17:04] dholbach, thank you! [17:05] so maybe, we should do a quick round of introductions again and see who we have here for the session and which loco team they're representing [17:05] * dholbach is Daniel Holbach, member of the Ubuntu Berlin (Germany) team [17:05] * techno_freak is Parthan, representing Ubuntu India Team [17:05] * pedro_ Pedro Villavicencio from the Ubuntu Chilean team [17:06] * leogg is Leandro Gómez, member of the Nicaraguan Team [17:06] nice [17:06] * bliZZardz is Venkatraman.S, representing Ubuntu India Team [17:06] I just pinged the folks on #ubuntu-locoteams - let's see if some of them turn up still [17:06] * bliZZardz is UIndia (Chennai) [17:07] leogg: 40 events in last 16 months that's... amazing! congrats ;-) (re dholbach post) [17:07] pedro_, thank you :) [17:07] I think I talked to some of you regarding the bug jam already and most of you seem to be doing quite well in terms of organisation [17:07] are there any pressing questions you have yourself right now which we should think about as a team? [17:08] what is going to be the course of action?? -- squashing the bugs in the reverse chronological order or the other way round? [17:09] bliZZardz: great question [17:09] asking, as i still see some bugs which are almost an year old. [17:09] pedro_, bdmurray and ogasawara are working on getting the bug lists in shape, so we will have a bunch of good targets for the event [17:09] dholbach, i feel a team should select a package or two, favourably something which is not usually looked up, and should try to triage them as much as possible. [17:10] when I did a bug jam in Berlin I suggested to people to first pick "New" bugs of packages they know well and try to reproduce them to be able to mark the bug as confirmed [17:10] and add more information to the bug [17:10] also we're going to have a document outlining what a "good bug" consists of, ie. which information is necessary so others can start working on it [17:10] cool :) [17:10] techno_freak: that's another good piece of advice [17:11] it'd be nice if you could ask around and see which packages people are interested in [17:11] favourite packages always get the attention, like rhythmbox, compiz, amarok etc. [17:11] banshee needs a lot of love too ;-) [17:11] what we're going to try to do is: get experts for those packages on IRC so they can help with debugging and answering questions [17:11] dholbach : let me dumb and ask the Q again - is this going to be more of triaging or confirming the bugs that bdmurray et al come up with? [17:12] bliZZardz: I'd sum it up as "generally making as many bugs better as we can" [17:12] if "making it better" in some cases means "fix it", that's even better :) [17:12] :) [17:12] does that make sense? [17:12] dholbach : yo yo yo yea.. :) [17:12] :-) [17:13] bliZZardz, techno_freak, pedro_, leogg: how many members of your teams have done something related to bug triage before? [17:13] dholbach : i generally work on bugs on compiz, compiz-fusion, OOo, SVN, py-based-applications and other small tools (would like to work with more applications that are closer to OS - but need someone with experience to help me out). [17:13] bliZZardz: that sounds great [17:13] dholbach, quite a few, but i see some surge of new members joining it after your series of blogs and some advertising from us :) [17:13] if you get feedback from your teams what kind of packages they're interested in, please add that information to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam [17:13] dholbach, only me in .ni - but I'm going to organize a couple of workshops before the bug jam [17:14] dholbach, sure, will get it done over the weekend [17:14] dholbach : am a n00b here..joined few backs back after observing the arena for some months... have been active since joined though. [17:14] techno_freak: ROCK - It's just that I want to get a feeling for what our audience is going to be like - I'm sure it's going to pretty diverse [17:15] guys... you can't believe how excited I am - this is going to be awesome! :) [17:15] dholbach, we can convince people showing your 5-a-day stats ;) [17:15] * bliZZardz is excited about Bug Jam .. hope we all learn stuff and have fun [17:15] dholbach: a good portion of them already triaged some bugs, we've working a few months ago in triage classes within the loco team :-) [17:15] Awsoonn: are you here for the Global Bug Jam Preparation session too? [17:15] pedro_: ah yeah, I remember [17:16] dholbach: yup, sorry I'm late [17:16] Awsoonn: don't worry - it's great to have you! [17:16] ^_^ [17:16] Awsoonn: can you let everybody know which team you're representing here? [17:16] maybe we could have another IRC "how to triage" session shortly before the GBJ? [17:16] Michigan Loco - The cold North [17:16] techno_freak : probably we need to have some triage classes in India loco too?? or did we already have it? [17:17] dholbach : you stole my words there :) [17:17] bliZZardz, planning for this weekend or next [17:17] dholbach, great idea [17:17] techno_freak: really? on IRC? [17:17] techno_freak: maybe we could coordinate it and invite a lot of people? [17:17] dholbach, ya, #ubuntu-in and #ubuntu-bugs for help :) [17:18] dholbach : good idea [17:18] what about using ubuntu-classroom ? ;-) [17:18] dholbach, would love if people can join too [17:18] let's make it #ubuntu-classroom then and let's pick a date and time so we can announce it on planet [17:18] and make a big noise about it :-) [17:18] let us concentrate overall , than at locos alone.. [17:18] why not this weekend? [17:18] might be a bit short notice [17:19] techno_freak : we need to 'market' ;) ..hence next weekend shud be good [17:19] dholbach, ya, loco members can discuss within their team channels as well :) [17:19] mm it's maybe too close to the weekend (thinking about timezones) [17:19] bliZZardz, naah, will mail the list tonight. people interested will always drop in [17:19] ok... shall we discuss date and time on ubuntu-bugsquad@? [17:19] ok [17:19] sounds good [17:19] ROCK [17:19] :) [17:19] you guys are just awesome :) [17:20] only 5 us presently ON for this?? [17:20] shall we think a bit more about "easy tasks" and how we'd like people to work on bugs together? [17:20] if not 5-a-day, i wouldnt have started bug triage ;) [17:20] dholbach, ^^ [17:20] :-) [17:20] what kind of bugs would you suggest are relatively "easy"? [17:20] i never knew 5-a-day existed, i was exceeding it when i joined in LP :P [17:21] * nealmcb waves at rockstar [17:21] 2 from the colorado team here.... [17:21] Easy = Add more info, Find right Package [17:21] Hi nealmcb [17:21] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day [17:21] nealmcb, welcome :) [17:21] be sure to let your team mates know about it [17:21] that way we'll find out which teams are doing well - especially if we use individual tags for the global-bug-jams :) [17:22] hi nealmcb, hi rockstar! [17:22] great to have you :) [17:22] hi dholbach [17:22] pedro_: what would you suggest - what kind of bugs should we suggest to 'new bug triagers'? [17:23] dholbach, check basic info and add right package should be the beginning point [17:23] This in the first Loco Event for my area, how should I go about finding people in my area that would be interested? [17:23] techno_freak: yeah that sounds good [17:23] who can give Awsoonn some advice on that? [17:23] I'd suggest the Find the right package, those are pretty easy to do and it's also what i used for the triage classes they seems to work pretty fine to get an idea of how launchpad works and so on [17:23] dholbach, would it make sense to have a standard bug tag for beginners? training-wheels ? [17:23] hey xander21c! [17:23] Hi pedro_ [17:24] rockstar: right now the plan is to have several bug lists linked from the wiki that people can get start working on [17:24] hi xander21c! [17:24] Awsoonn: did you try the Michigan loco mailing list? [17:24] Awsoonn: and the forum? [17:25] also if there's a local LUG - that might work too [17:25] dholbach, yea, I've seen that before, and usually all those bugs are done whan I get to it. :( [17:25] Awsoonn, call the people who have ever filed a bug and discuss it one by one, in the process triage it. if you have the right people, you can try fixing some too :) [17:25] or a poster at the local college or something [17:25] Awsoonn, maybe it's a good idea to team up with another loco as well, someone with more experience [17:25] Awsoonn, people get excited when their bug gets some attention and will start participating [17:26] The mailing list is on the hit list, but the active users on the forums and IRC are all 6 hours south [17:26] hi dholbach [17:26] rockstar: right, that happens - maybe it makes sense to pick a package people are interested in [17:26] (important: add those packages to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam so we can invite upstream experts for those packages) [17:26] * dholbach doesn't get tired repeating that :-) [17:27] dholbach, yea. Maybe it might make sense to go through a few days before the bug jam and assign a bunch of bugs to myself as "claimed" for our bugjam [17:27] dholbach, it would be great if we can make a list of good examples of bug triage, one or two for each type of scenario [17:27] techno_freak: awesome idea - pedro_: what do you think? [17:27] leogg: I am part of a pretty active Loco, but they are all together in a cluster down south. [17:28] dholbach, so new comers look at them and learn how to proceed [17:28] rockstar: I had the idea of pairing up people in teams of 4 and ask them to work on a list of bugs together [17:28] dholbach: yup that could work, I'll provide some examples [17:28] Awsoonn: what about LUGs/colleges/universities/.. nearby? [17:28] Awsoonn, cool :) [17:28] great! [17:28] dholbach, yea, I was thinking about doing that after a short tutorial on a projector. [17:28] pedro_: you just need to record your own work :-) [17:28] rockstar: neat-o [17:29] hehe yeah [17:29] pedro_, and we can add the link to HowToTriage wiki page as well :) [17:29] dholbach: LSSU LUG, that I'm a member of, is out of session with most everyone out of town during the summer :/ [17:29] are there any other problems that you see in terms of your organisation at the moment? [17:29] techno_freak: yes that sounds pretty nice ;-) [17:30] Awsoonn, maybe you could join another bugjam via "satellite" [17:30] Awsoonn: you need to try it... everywhere - maximum exposure :) [17:30] As for providing lists of bugs for differant skill sets, I plan on testing that over the next few Hug Days [17:30] probably some designers can get an eye-catching presentation done out of the wiki [17:30] Awsoonn: and it if's just a few of you, that's fine too [17:31] Awsoonn: good idea [17:31] that's something we probably should be more cautious about - if we get feedback about our docs/processes/etc - we should post them to the bugsquad list and think about how we can improve them [17:31] some documentation might be confusing, some ideas might not come across well [17:31] it would be nice to fix that before the Jam :9 [17:32] The Hug Day yesterday went really well for the short list of 40 confirmed bugs that just needed to be triaged [17:32] Awsoonn, thats nice [17:33] are there any other questions you have right now? problems with the organisation? [17:33] dholbach: report to bugsquad about docs and processes it's crucial, many newbies including me get kind of confuse [17:34] so shorter, more goal/skill oriented lists seem to work well. That's what I see at least. :) [17:34] dholbach: what would you say is a good amount of time to allot to the bug jam? [17:34] xander21c: we sure to post your feedback to ubuntu-bugsquad@lists.u.c! [17:34] yuriy: good question - what do you all think? did you mention any times in your local announces already? [17:34] Q: is there a IRC channel especially for GBJ ?? [17:35] xander21c: #ubuntu-bugs [17:35] we'll just use that one [17:35] ok [17:35] dholbach, I was thinking that 4 hours should be a minimum. [17:35] a few hours should be fine [17:36] rockstar: that sounds good - we did 3 in Berlin and it was too short [17:36] dholbach, I think our biggest issue is the language barrier... not everybody in the team are fluent in English. Any ideas? [17:36] if you have a venue that provides food and drinks that's obviously better :) [17:36] Yea, after a quick tutorial, there's not much time to answer questions. [17:36] even better if it's for free :-P [17:37] dholbach: originally I was thinking about 3 since I don't think we're gonna get much participation. but actually we should do more like 6 so it's worth getting lunch [17:37] leogg: some communication will always be English (in the bug reports for example) - do you think it'd help a lot if some of the initial bug documentation was translated? [17:37] dholbach, or we can atleast make sure multi-lingual support/translation in #ubuntu-bugs :) [17:37] so if they get some doubt, they have someone there to help with [17:37] or we can adopt spanish as the official language, that would solve everything [17:38] ha ha [17:38] dholbach, if you guys can send me some links on important documentation, I can translate it into Spanish [17:38] ;-) [17:38] sure... if there's enough interest, we could definitely have something like #ubuntu-bugs-spanish / #ubuntu-bugs-german / #ubuntu-bugs-hindi / #ubuntu-bugs-... for the jam - if that makes sense [17:38] pedro_, +1 :) [17:38] leogg: added to my TODO list [17:38] dholbach, ty [17:38] rather we can rename ubuntu to 'spanish' ;) [17:38] oh yes that's even better [17:38] hehe [17:38] let's do that [17:39] lol :P [17:39] dholbach, loco team channels are already there, and remember there are >26 languages within India itself :P [17:39] [OT] [17:39] i dont want some regional conflicts within #ubuntu-in :P [17:40] techno_freak: we only need to serve those languages that people are interested in - if it's a big problem, so if there's an interest in having #ubuntu-bugs-spanish people that speak spanish can hang out there [17:40] dholbach, ya i agree, some languages need help :) [17:40] it'd just be for the event and just for getting enough questions answered to get started [17:41] i have seen many bug reports in Chinese, with someone in bgu squad translating it to English using google translate ;) [17:41] pedro_: do you think that makes sense or am I out of my mind? [17:41] that would help a lot i think, we we're planning to have something similar with xander21c for the Latin American locos [17:41] NICE [17:41] dholbach: make a LOT of sense to me ;-) [17:41] alright [17:42] I'll discuss it with the German/Austrian/Swiss folks and see how that works [17:42] rock! [17:42] yes, get Latin American Locos sync so we can help each other [17:42] the more questions we can answer in #ubuntu-bugs the better [17:42] so actively encourage your members to speak up there [17:42] hmm, we have some nice ideas out of today's meeting :) [17:42] xander21c, great! [17:42] I've had many people in German teams that said "oh my English is so bad", when it really really wasn't :-) [17:42] so... encouraging++ [17:43] ya! [17:43] yes yes yes [17:43] pedro_, leogg: are you going to ping some other spanish-speaking locos and see what they think / what their plans are? [17:43] dholbach, English, by right, is so bad. [17:43] dholbach, definetly [17:44] i german, spanish (and Indians) -- what about the french????? [17:44] leogg: gracias! [17:44] dholbach, de nada :) [17:44] bliZZardz: I wondered the same - no french people are hanging out here! [17:44] *typo -- i see german, spanish (and Indians) -- what about the french????? [17:44] rockstar: it could we worse :) [17:44] dholbach : jai une parles francais [17:44] ;) [17:44] hehe, nice :) [17:45] but please hold off on translating the bug pages just yet - I guess they're going to be fixed in a couple of places in the next weeks [17:45] pedro_: is that right? [17:45] I guess there's going to be a separate announce about that [17:45] bliZZardz, mwen parl creole, et mwen comprends toi [17:45] yep that's correct [17:45] in built transliteration engine in LP? [17:45] rockstar : i prostrate,,,i know very basic francais :P [17:46] :) [17:46] I'm curious: who of you uses 5-a-day already? :) [17:46] * techno_freak raises hand [17:46] dholbach: the fruit thing? [17:46] oh [17:46] (for those who don't: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day :-)) [17:46] nvm me [17:46] dholbach : i subscribe to that , but i sometimes exceed that limit on alternate days [17:46] Nafallo: hehehe [17:47] bliZZardz: oh... don't think of it as a limit! :) [17:47] bliZZardz, it doesnt mean do *only* 5, it means do *at least* 5 [17:47] ;) [17:47] it'd be great to get as many people as possible signed up for it as possible [17:47] 5-a-day is a good NoS ...booster :) [17:47] as you can see on http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/ we have team statistics too, so it'd be great to know more about the teams around the world that are 5-a-day'ing [17:48] also if you decide on a tag like "global-aug-2008-chile" or something, you'll know how many bugs people worked on during the event :) [17:49] but that's more of a side note - the most important thing is: have fun and enjoy working on bugs together [17:49] so how do we make it more fun? :-D [17:49] techno_freak : am afraid that In team is not surfacing there - we need to raise the awareness more [17:49] dholbach, pizza and beer :) [17:49] dholbach : t-shirts? [17:50] it'd be great to hear of all those fun stories around the globe [17:50] leogg: +1 [17:50] bliZZardz, i haven't tagged myself or the tag got lost when i reinstalled last time [17:50] and see lots of pictures [17:50] dholbach: music, pizza and pisco [17:50] hehe [17:50] xander21c: you remind me of Nicolas! [17:50] he was "pisco, pisco, pisco!" all over the place at UDS :-) [17:50] a nice banner and t-shirts [17:50] Peruvians they're always the same! [17:50] ahahah [17:50] lol [17:51] haha :-) [17:51] * pedro_ hugs xander21c [17:51] it's great to have you guys here :) [17:51] xander21c ,dholbach : yea.. t-shirts....wear it everywhere u go for the next 1 month (and dont wash it - get noticed :P ) [17:51] dholbach: you're a great inspiration! [17:51] you sure will :) [17:51] * nealmcb hugs dholbach [17:51] btw diegoe (a Gnome guy) is exactly like that during GUADEC... [17:51] thanks a lot nealmcb :) [17:51] * dholbach hugs nealmcb [17:51] it'd be nice if we could have (small) reports of the event later on [17:52] like How many people were there? [17:52] bliZZardz: smelly notice :P [17:52] How many cups of coffee did you guys drink there? [17:52] How many candy bars? [17:52] How much Pisco? [17:52] lots of sugar [17:52] etc [17:52] and of course pictures, videos, blog entries, etc [17:52] dholbach : whats a Pisco? [17:52] bliZZardz: ask xander21c :) [17:52] xander21c : enlighten us plz [17:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisco [17:53] aha!! [17:53] :-) [17:53] who is coming to Chennai with a bottle of Pisco??? :P [17:53] Chilean Pisco see that's not from Peru [17:53] * pedro_ runs away from xander21c [17:54] thanks dholbach, is a great drink, strong but dont make you sick at the other morning [17:54] OK... do we have any more questions? Other than finding out where to get what kind of alcohol? [17:54] :-) [17:54] hehe [17:54] dholbach : come on... :) [17:54] hehe [17:55] if not, I'd suggest we adjourn the meeting here and maybe meet again a week before the Bug Jam - I'm sure that there are going to be much more open questions around that time [17:55] ok guys..so what is the action plan now?? [17:55] what do you think? [17:55] someone wants to summarize things? [17:55] bliZZardz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam should have most of the information we talked about today [17:56] (of course minues the Pisco) [17:56] dholbach, this meeting had better participation and newer ideas than last one, may be the next one after a week will be still better :) [17:56] dholbach: of course. Peruvian specially [17:56] techno_freak :yea...we will talk about varities of Pisco [17:56] techno_freak: I'll be on holidays in a week from now, that's why I suggested a week before the GBJ [17:56] lol [17:56] xander21c : hi5 [17:56] but if you guys want to meet and announce it beforehand - that's great too [17:56] dholbach, ah, I remember :) [17:57] if you have any questions, any advice or any other crazy ideas, please let me know [17:57] drop me an email: dholbach at ubuntu dot com [17:57] * bliZZardz offers Dholbach a toast over an old pisco [17:57] I'd be really glad to make the organisation and documentation top-notch, tip-top and ready to go [17:57] thanks bliZZardz :-) [17:58] thanks a lot everybody, I appreciated your input and ideas [17:58] GBJ it gone rock :) [17:58] * dholbach hugs you all :-) [17:58] great, thanks you all! [17:58] neato...thanks all. [17:58] thank you all, great meeting! [17:58] thank you all, awesome meeting :) [17:59] Thank you all~ [18:04] thanks dholbach. i might bug you with questions as I get further with planning and recruiting [18:05] yuriy: perfect [18:05] thanks for that === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 05 Jul 19:00 UTC: How to run a Bug Jam | 05 Jul 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Marketing | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 08 Jul 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 08 Jul 15:00 UTC: Server Team | 09 Jul 17:00 UTC: QA Team === asac_ is now known as asac === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik